PLEASE DO NOT UNDERCOAT YOUR VEHICLES...Thank You
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Totally thought he got rid of his shop. Glad he still has it. Love the content when it's just him in his space.
Fluid film or oil based undercoatings are great for corrosion protection. In this case you should try Chassis Saver by magnet paints, its awesome if the chassis is prepped properly. Rubber undercoating traps moisture
Ive been trying to figure out the best way to prevent further rust and have landed on Fluid film... but seeing this chassis saver makes me wonder... which would you recommend for someone in Virginia w/an 04 and some fairly heavy surface rust?
@@lilshaff07 fluid film black, that's what I use on my Toyo.
Lol IV always undercoat my frames. Should I just let them rot according to the video headline?
Zinc. nickel . chrome.anodize. when I worked at the electro plating company I figured out nothing beats it's nothing . We would electro plate everything then paint it. Bike's quads Jeep's Harley's you name it.
Fluid film is the best option even the hard reach spots that still have rubbized undercoating will soften up after a few weeks when fluod film is sprayed over those areas. After a month in warm temps the rubber mixed with fluid film will scape off easy
It's nice to see you behind the camera explaining things. I love the videos like this.
I honestly would of give up on that build. Thanks for making the impossible possible. Keep up the great work!
I always used oil base tar undercoat. They use to sell it as sound deadner, dirt sticks to it thou. On a hot day it gets tacky like the blacktop road...
Love the work you do Ryan! Where do you buy the replacement panels from? I've been unsure of the best place to order them.
That needle scaler is tiny compared to the ones we use in the navy. When you get a big boy it’s really satisfying busting up some rust. We also call them needle guns in the navy.
I was thinking the same thing. That scaler looks like a toy...
Ugh, how I loathe the needle gun. So many hours of my life spent needle gunning the ship. My hands go numb just thinking about it 😅
Same thing here. I'm in the merchant navy and we use much bigger, same nickname. It's basically "rust busting" even how they used to do it (by hand) back in the day on tallships. Good video though! I've got a late 99 7.3 and was already planning to do something like this in the summer. I would probably have used the cheap oil or canned rubber shit though, thanks for the tip
Where can a normal civilian find one?
@@Jenuin Amazon has a couple of them.
I like these videos where you're learning or trying something new. It's cool seeing these trucks as they go through the progress.
YES YES YES ! An old school ryan video , with just him doing his thing , without all the nonsense going on in the back ground ,, loved this video this is why we all come to watch these videos ,,, great video Ryan!
Although I don’t dislike any of his videos, I do have to agree with you.
I agree with you 💯👍
Totally agree!!!
I agree
@@bsmith4641 exactly.
Best video from you in awhile. Reminds me of your old videos back when you tested stuff and taught people how to do stuff.
Most of the content lately is just “look what I did you won’t believe what I’m gonna do”.
We are alll loving your success. Just like the old style videos. Like “can you VHT tail light tint your windows?” 😂
Hi sir, what are those wheels brands and specifications? Please thank you.
The rust converter is awesome works really well, great video Ryan keep it up. 💯
What is the name of the rust converter?
Great build series so far, look forward to the rest of the process.
Love seeing videos of this build man! Keep it up!
I did a frame on a f-250 last week , with only a angle grinder and a wire brush , took 2 days and was a pain in the a$$ but it was definitely worth the time in the long run
Undercoating is the dumbest thing you can do.
Man I just got my first 7.3 it’s a 2002 and I have absolutely no clue where to start, 250k miles mint body condition it does have bigger injectors and a bigger turbo, you got in tips for me brother or part ideas ? I really need some guidance on some parts
6636 donaldson, 6.0 intercooler, charge pipes, non ebvp pedestal, bellowed up pipes, transmission cooler, white rodgers glow plug relay, frx crossover.
I don’t use undercoat, but when I built my 03 3rd gen cummins I por-15 the frame the right way (took like 2 weeks lol) and I use roll on bed liner under the cab and under the bed. I live in upstate NY and it’s 2 years later now, I blew my 48re last month so long story short I built a full billet 48re with fat shafts. Needed a 6.7 crank for the converter I got so I’m 6.7 swapping the 03. With the tranny and motor out again I can get a great look at the bed liner under the cab and bed. It is immaculate! Never had a problem with it before but also never really had a truck for multiple years that I could inspect like this. I also did the proper prep and got rid of any visible rust before I rolled the bed liner on. I don’t like the rubber undercoating at all, but por-15, bed liner, and especially fluid film always seem to work for me in the north east. Great video
Great Choice on the Eastwood Surface Prep Tool, and Eastwood Products. I went with a portable sandblaster, full POR kit with the Top Coat, and Eastwoods internal frame coating. Powder coated the leaf springs in Red to match my Rancho Suspension Lift Kit.
I still have to redo the wiring harnesses; the OEM plastic wring loom is crap. You can find dried up salt inside, so I'll go with the Painless Performance Fabric Wiring looms
It’s great to see that truck getting a second chance 👍🏻💯keep up the grind man love to see it
Honestly like when you work alone. You put pride into your work. Not all about rushing things…
Good video bro these are the kinds of videos we wanna see where it’s just you working on the new projects and builds no other distractions
Nice to see an actual Ryan Mayer Video!
Personally I recommend powder coating and applying undercoat liner on the frame 😅
Hello great video. I was wondering if you put that after you sprayed the whole truck with the rust remover did you have to wipe that stuff off before you spray painted it?
My girl just broke up with me last night thank god u posted a new video you inspire me to do better in life thank you !
Bro!! It’ll be the best lesson of your life!! Work on yourself and the better new door will open when you lease expect it!
I had to learn the hard way about rubberized frame coatings. Even the hard wax coatings suck.
There's a guy here on YT that did a comparison of undercoat, and rust converters that didn't think much of Eastwood and suggested another product that had an acid etch to it that actually converted the rust. The site is Repair Geek and I thought he did a good job with his testing. Here in New England , it's a bear to keep things rust-free. My F350 7.3 got eaten alive by salt.
great comment
Awesome video Ryan! This build is going to rock! Keep up the great content!
I agree about the rubber coating and the spray in bed liner crap. That stuff cracks and is the cause of rust!!! It is junk!!
This is gotta be my favorite build on your channel. Gonna be a sweet truck when it's done 🤙🏻
Always Saving my life motivational..... Going through hell everyday to get by . But thanks to your motivation to post everything. Drive my goals to step up my goals, views, uploading to my channel. I have loved busting my butt all my life and now almost going on 3 years starting to post my as well .
This build is coming along pretty quick
Lps 3 the frame, once dry lay some duplicolor professional undercoat over the top of that, very similar to how they came from the factory, lasts years and stops the rust if done correctly
I used a rattle can of rubberized paintable undercoating on a utility trailed frame. It became a rust magnet and it never saw rain. Had to scrape it all off and start over.
Oh my goodness I can’t wait to see how this truck turns out! I want to redo my truck! I have a 2002 Ford F-250 7.3 diesel!! I just got it out of the shop getting a few things fixed.
The best solution is what the military has been doing since ww1. RP-342! It's a wx base cosmoline and can be found on amazon. It's superior to paint in every way for preventing rust and is so effective it was designed to be use on bare steel. That's why you can pop open a crate of ww2 rifles and find zero rust. Frame paint is good bt a pinhole is all I takes to negate its protections and RP-342 WILLMSELF SEAL and prevents water and salts from getting under it even if a spot is missed.
Those types of products for rust converters are a phosphate solution, they convert iron oxide to iron phosphate chemically. Wonderful products and amazing for restoration work of all kinds.
I spray paint my car and truck chassis and floorboards and frame, including the underside of my truck bed with rust olem black paint. Helps keep the underside of my car and truck protected when they put road salts and chemicals on the roads. That extra protection sure does help a lot.
Question. When using this rust converter, if you overspray on to something, lets use a shock as an example, that has no rust, will it stain or anything to that shock?
I would use a white wheel for the areas that had bolts etc. that’s what I normally use anyway. The paint remover disk works great for the flat areas 👍
2 more recommended things, turbo nozzle for pressure washer, and garden sprayer with pump for the rust treatment
Man I’m so ready to see the color you pick! Truck is gonna be sicccck man!
Rubberized undercoat is very good BUT it’s only effective when there is absolutely no moisture, dirt, rust etc on the surface. I would only put it on a brand new cars or a very, very well prepped surfaces like e.g
during/after a restoration. But for my taste I would always choose a regular chassis paint and then wax or oil coat the undercarriage. Pressure wash it once after the winter and coat it again. I prefer having the surface smooth so the dirt have harder time sticking to the surface and it’s easier to clean then the rough texture of the rubberised undercoat paint.
Thanks for the information as always, I have used the Raptor Bed liner a few times on some trucks/Jeeps I have done without a glitch (so far)…. Frame paint it is THANKS RYAN
This video is one of the best video in a while no nonsense in the back just Ryan doing his thing 💯💯
The best way to repaint it is to put zinc primer first before painting it.
The zinc will fight off the rust.
Put zinc primer before the rust converter?
you can't put zinc over converted rust.
It only works on bare steel.
@@R26Roman
Awesome video !! Great build glad it was an old school video not with all the background noise and nonsense at the other shop keep it up!!
I use Hammerrite spray on my crown Vic's frame after sanding. Roadsalt in the winter here in Norway. Not good for the brakeparts. Has replaced the rotors too. Has not used any Fluidfilm. Can not have some underflush. Must recoat the fluidfilm about every year.
Rust oil undercoating is the best and self heals and doesn't trap water. I agree, rubberized is crap.
What paint is recommended for painting a frame ?
My Escalade came rust free from Florida to PA so we undercoated it when it got here to prevent winter rust
Why would you not take the cab off at this point?
That's what I was thinking. When you're going to do something like this, why not do it right. This seems a bit half assed to me.
@@710performance this whole job is halfassed! I thought this kid was doing this as a business. Sure he has great work ethic but he continues his work like it’s his hobby. He sure won’t make money by doing things in a non-business way. Get the frame commercially sandblasted, remove the cab, do the entire frame. That needle scaler is way to small, needs an industrial model. Not hating on Ryan, he is a real nice guy….
Loving this build brother!
if you want to relift it I highly reccommend "pmf" rear shackle flip brackets. it got me 2.5 inches of lift in the rear. then i put a 4" block instead of the factory 2" block and truck is perfect
I always used farm and implement paint, usually rustoleum cut 50/50. Get the scale off, and give it time to seep in, suggest at least 74F at night with low humidity ( with fans running ), if not using heaters lol. Always rustoleum rust reformer nowadays first now here and there, that frame will need a ton of it (not a fan of water based, metal loves oil) lol. And invest of a set of PPG nozzles. Like 60 bux. It does a good job, check rust every month or 2 and touch up. In a year or so wont see any usually. Back in the day i use used motor oil, trans fluid, and kerosene with a dash of tide lol. Always tide on the cooling system. It worked ok.
I find that rust converter can make the surface you treated does not allow the top coat to mechanically bond.
why powdercoat. a frame flex, powdercoat not that much, and if you have chip its hard to do decent touchup. epoxy is better. thanks to share for rust converter tho, ive never seen that before !
Fluid film works great and easy to apply
How do you find a garage that will allow you working on vehicles? I've been looking for a place but they all say no automotive work.
fluid film is a great undercoat, our trucks have zero rust because of it
Yup or woolwax undercoating
What is fluid film ?
@@fastfreddie831 corrosion protectant
I use fluid film ? Is it bad ?
undercoat it with old motor oil
only downside is dirt sticks to it like a magnet
but hey, extra protection right?
If needle scaler quits working you’ve rounded over your needles. I took mine out and put a square corner back on them with a flap wheel and it was like new again
Gloss frames also make it harder to spot leaks!
fluid film or wool wax is what to use
Locks in water! And grime!
How many bottles did it take you to spray the whole frame, with second coats done?
Hey man if you lift it get the front and rear leafs rebuild by Denver spring. They can make leafs longer and add smaller ones for a more comfortable ride. Plus tell them you want to lift it as well. Don't do the blocks adds so much wheel hop and can break stuff.
Can you spray it with apple cider vinegar ?
Eastwood is good stuff. Another good rust converter is Ospho. Another good frame paint is Chassis Saver by Monstaliner. Definitely don't undercoat with tar or rubber or spray paint. Those seal in the rust and the frame rots from the inside out. Surface Shield is a non-hardening lanolin based spray coating that prevents rust. Spray inside and outside the box frame. I spray everything under the vehicle except brake rotors and exhaust systems. It's also great to spray inside doors and rocker panels but make sure the door weep holes remain open. Touch up next year and every other year after that. Don't pressure wash under the truck. Spring rains will wash away the salt deposits on the outside of the Surface Shield that never make it to the frame. Surface Shield is also the best anti-corrosion treatment I've found for battery terminals.
just went through 3 cases of Woolwax on a 2007 civic, a 2018 camry, and a 2005 highlander, and still gonna order more....I'm getting every damn nook, cranny, and cavity so help me God. F-ing rust!
What about POR 15?
@@johnathanpratt944 negative... it can crack and allow moisture under and you'll never know. I've read plenty of people frustrated they followed all the prep and then it didn't adhere. Stay with goo that creeps and cuts off oxygen...and apply annually early Fall when it is still warm out so the material flows out the spray can and won't clog up.
@@richcombs4805 Gotcha. I'll check out Eastwood. However do you think it'd work if I prime and frame coat over it?
@@richcombs4805 goo, interesting. I'll check it out. Thanks!
Approximately how many hrs you think doing the clean up on the frame took you?so i have a idea on adding couple extra hrs for me to do mine hahaha
Do a coil swap on the front and take out those leaf springs. I got an 04 Excursion and it’s got the leafs on the front and it’s ugly. The coil can be color matched nicely too
Nope. Leaves are the best.
there is something so satisfying watching a needle gun bust rust
Its amazing the difference in that frame already 😲
Loving the new build watched you create the banana ram start to finish and plan to do the same for here on out man proud of your work and happy to see beautiful trucks be built by the owner and not a shop lol
My truck needs this attention so bad!
I'm still interested in the wheels when you're done with them
Well if you wanna do it the hard way that’s fine I’ve been restoring vehicles for years I appreciate your hard work and dedication to descaling a frame but there’s a much easier way and when you’re done there’s nothing left on it hot water sandblasting at 4000 psi then repeat Hot water sandblasting works much better I used to do it the way you guys did it then I discovered this I threw my air scaler away just saying not judging but try it But I definitely do agree with you on the rubberized undercoat it’s garbage I’m in Canada and we deal with salt shit but try the hot water Sam blasting it makes life so much easier and it doesn’t hurt anything been doing it now for four years with great results
I feel for you guys having to deal with what I assume is corrosion from salt on the roads - thankfully, we have none of that here in AUSTRALIA. HA - I think '99.0%' of us here would give up in tears if they were faced with such a daunting rust removal//remedy task. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
I picked up an old land cruiser from Eyre Peninsula S.A and the chassis is going to require the exact same treatment. I will probably kbs coat it.
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An awesome paint for frames and under body is two part swimming pool epoxy it's made to last year's in direct sunlight and in direct contact with corrosive chlorine it lasts forever under a vehicle out of direct sunlight I use an industrial zinc etching primer then spray it with the epoxy a sandblaster won't even take it off once it's cured
I bigger needle scaler would help for sure!
U r right on. How about using linseed oil or beeswax for car undercoating.
ingersol rand makes a needle scaler its a bit bigger but its 5x better then the small one you have
Hats off to you for bringing this truck back from the dead. I would have run from it with all that rust...yikes!
I definitely don’t miss when I wire wheeled my first gens entire frame
I have not been watching regularly because the channel changes so much. This video is old school. Keep this going please.
Just wondering won’t it still rust painting over the rust if the inside of the frame is rusted
That is the question
Should just pull the cab at this point and do it right the first time. That way you take care of all the rust on the frame and paint it to prevent it from rusting again.
Love how you do it right man
can you use this stuff on suspension parts too?
Yes
Got damn!! I'm glad you're back to using your intro.
How long before you replaced those leaf spring shackles? Did you wait until one broke?
I suppose I should have watched the video prior to commenting lol.
You should try putting the converter in a pressurized garden sprayer.
I was just thinking that watching him using that spray bottle
They use this type of rust converter for steel ships there’s no way they can paint yhe ships before they rust after being welded and those guys live in salt water, so it’s definitely gonna work on a truck for long life
wax or oil are also good because they actively displace water and penetrate around bolts, they sure make it nasty to work on though.
i like the idea of keeping it a 4 inch lift on some 35s and some 20x12 clean but simple
Love the build. You should the opposite of 6.7 lime. Do the body purple with green accents
Should try dustless blasting, they can come right to your shop
If I didn’t oil my truck yearly, I’d have to replace it every 5 or 6 years.
sandblasting not work on the undercoat.?
They make a tyvek coverall btw that is great for messy jobs.