these videos are actually really helpful i am a saxophone player but this is good info for me so that i know and see/relate to what the drummer is doing.
I interpret most these as hertas over ruffs given the defined subdivision and the space between the 3rd and 4th note, so it's interesting to hear you approach it this way. Presenting it as a 4-stroke ruff does lead nicely into the 5-stroke. Great concept, thanks!
Hertas are a 3 note group with one note every 3 doubled. (Bleed, for instance.) The marcus 2-stroke ruff could be a kind of herta, and in fact you would play bleed with marcus ruffs. But it would only fit if you used a strict subdivision, and the 3 and 4 note ruffs are not hertas.
@@8020drummer I am aware they are different which is why I felt I'd mention it as 1:39 is a 4-stroke ruff but in the practical demonstrations I am hearing hertas instead, most simply demonstrated at 2:25. Am I somehow mistaken?
@@philipcullin983 bleed is a song by meshuggah where the drummer does hertas with his feet. the whole band does hertas but it's most known for the drummer
Glad to see you broke 80,000subs. You deserve so much more. Loved the show and finally something that i tend to do naturally. Not having a theory based finger in my hands its nice ti recognize that what i do is a thing especially when marcus does it too. I'm setting my jazz kit up tomorrow to try my new bass drum out that i made. 10 out of 10 nate keep it up.
Nate, I just started throwing the 4 stroke ruff on the kit because of this video. Took me a few weeks to get them up to par, but dang! What great musical idea. They sound awesome. Thank you for making this video.
Hey Nate, I've been following you since about 2015 and I have to say, I've really seen an improvement in your videos. Not only do you seem more comfortable with the camera, but I feel like your playing has more intent behind it! It sounds good man!
Judging from that Black Coffee Roasting Company sweater and the recurring ESP t-shirt, I'm guessing you have some roots in Missoula. Wish I could have caught you playing drums around town. Good stuff, man! I really enjoy the channel!
I think Garibaldi does ruffs in one of his fills for the song Squib Cakes around the 6:30 mark? What a coincidence that I've been trying to figure out that fill the past couple of days and this video pops up 😂
The terminology thing can be tricky when doing instructional vids. I try to mention all the potential names it may or may not have to try and keep it as broad as possible. Nice job on the vid!
Nate, thanks for the reminder on the ruff & the example using the rudement ruff's around the kit. What makes me laugh, is hearing other drummers complain about rudiments when we play many of them if not all (depending on the song) in the songs we play, anyway! I guess the jokes on us. We're playing rudiments one way or the other! Again, many thanks on your efforts in sharing these lessons!! Job well done!!!
You can actually play another variation on the 2 stroke marcus rough (if you can call it a variation) ... Making it a 3 stroke rough on one hand (can be useful sometimes) You can actually "push/pull" double up the upstroke ant fast twitch for the rimshot... However, it's very very tough to get it as fast as the examples nate gave here... It works best as ghost notes in a 16th note hip-hop groove feel... I feel like there's not a lot of people using it I would love to see Nate apply that In his playing...
have you changed grip from years of an other grip? i mean i often see you slice with your left hand. I'v changed grip from american to french after about 10 years with american. I still struggles with slice with my left hand and i have been playing french for 3 years :P But its not my highest priority when practicing
30 years would be joe Henderson to Branford to chris potter to mark turner to Walter smith to Ben Wendel. Nah, I’d say sax playing has undergone a similar odyssey.
Used to here this riff (ruff) on some of my older up tempo jazz LPs. If memory serves me correctly...one tune is by Cannonball Adderley Fun...off his Live at the Club. Please note I'm a bass player so I may be wrong. Enjoy and thanks again. ua-cam.com/video/bRv9T06Gk74/v-deo.html
Love your content and your delivery. But, something's amiss: Please get rid of the white gaps in your acoustic foam in the background -- IT IS KILLING MY OCD! :D
?? A drag is 2 bounced notes on one hand and a third single note ( opposite hand). often accented but not necessarily- a ruff is 4 single strokes,,, last stroke most often accented but not necessarily--..
I only do subdivisions in the high school halls or in the shopping malls.
Conform, or be cast out...
WHY?
WHY?!?!?
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@@vinceswaney6196 because suburbs have no charms to soothe the restless dreams of youth...
*keyboard solo*
don’t forget in the basements bars, as well as the backs of cars!
"Ruff is just another word for Drag." oh-oh... Here comes trouble!
OH NO. [Nate gets cancelled again 😳😅🤣]
Tommy Igoe will come after you
Not from me, buddy!
Isn't that wrong? Drags as codified by PAS are a double then a single.
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I give Nate a lot of respect, it's not easy putting out good videos week after week. Great job
Careful, bruh! Drummers is reeeeal sensitive about their terms out here! lol
Yea I noticed 😳🤣
Drummers are so easily *triggered.* (pun intended) 😅
I mean maybe he should learn the difference between the two. Haha. Still love this content.
these videos are actually really helpful i am a saxophone player but this is good info for me so that i know and see/relate to what the drummer is doing.
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i love to see the growth in quality for every one of your videos, keep up the good work :)
I interpret most these as hertas over ruffs given the defined subdivision and the space between the 3rd and 4th note, so it's interesting to hear you approach it this way. Presenting it as a 4-stroke ruff does lead nicely into the 5-stroke. Great concept, thanks!
Hertas are a 3 note group with one note every 3 doubled. (Bleed, for instance.) The marcus 2-stroke ruff could be a kind of herta, and in fact you would play bleed with marcus ruffs. But it would only fit if you used a strict subdivision, and the 3 and 4 note ruffs are not hertas.
@@8020drummer
I am aware they are different which is why I felt I'd mention it as 1:39 is a 4-stroke ruff but in the practical demonstrations I am hearing hertas instead, most simply demonstrated at 2:25. Am I somehow mistaken?
What does “bleed” mean as it’s used here? Thought I knew most drumming lingo but I’m way lost on this one.
@@philipcullin983 Bleed is a song by the band Meshuggah heavily featuring hertas.
@@philipcullin983 bleed is a song by meshuggah where the drummer does hertas with his feet. the whole band does hertas but it's most known for the drummer
Glad to see you broke 80,000subs. You deserve so much more. Loved the show and finally something that i tend to do naturally. Not having a theory based finger in my hands its nice ti recognize that what i do is a thing especially when marcus does it too. I'm setting my jazz kit up tomorrow to try my new bass drum out that i made.
10 out of 10 nate keep it up.
Great lesson Nate! Never thought about these as “ruffs” but I dig it! Into the shed...
I loved when Buddy Rich would use these in fills, especially in West Side Story. ;-)
And let's not forget Ginger Baker spreading it around the toms!
Way before the new cats, Billy Cobham
Yeah Gary Husband has been doing this for yeeeeeears
well, now I know what I'm practicing today! Thanks for the lesson Nate!
FINALLY Someone went in on this topic. Great video Nate!! 🙌
Nate, I just started throwing the 4 stroke ruff on the kit because of this video. Took me a few weeks to get them up to par, but dang! What great musical idea. They sound awesome. Thank you for making this video.
Hey Nate, I've been following you since about 2015 and I have to say, I've really seen an improvement in your videos. Not only do you seem more comfortable with the camera, but I feel like your playing has more intent behind it! It sounds good man!
Same here.
You deserve more subs, been a fan for years love ur stuff
Thank you very much for these awesome videos mate. Doing a really good job!
Nice, great vid and really helpful. It really saved a lot of time trying to transcribe and figure it all out. Thanks!
Been waiting for a vid like this.
Great lesson, Nate!
This was wonderful. Thank you.
I love your stuff man!!!
these are great transitions
Yo so sick and simple and yet i never thought of it. Thanks!
Great lesson and great topic!
Good lesson on the ruffs. Tips like this are what help mortals understand the Gods. Thanks.
Awesome man. Thanks for the break down
A superb video. I love the modern jazz stuff :):):):):):):)
That final whistle lol epic..
How was your day? It was ruff. What are you snaring at? : )
oooooh we went there
What a drag
I downloaded the transcript. I might be having more fun than I’m supposed to...uh oh here comes my next “most overused” riff ever! 😂🤣☮️☮️☮️
Great stuff!! You just gained a subscriber, Keep it up!
No, no, no, no, no! It’s supposed to go ting ting ta ting ting ta ting ting ta ting. The writers of DownBeat Magazine told me so.
great lesson :)
Great lesson. Do more 😅
Dude, love the videos. Can I just ask what you use to keep your acoustic panels stuck to the wall? Can't seem to find a good adhesive 🤘🏼✊🏼
Silicone will do
Judging from that Black Coffee Roasting Company sweater and the recurring ESP t-shirt, I'm guessing you have some roots in Missoula. Wish I could have caught you playing drums around town. Good stuff, man! I really enjoy the channel!
I do indeed. I did a clinic at ESP in June of 2019. Haven't been back this year because of COVID but hope to be back soon!
Great! Thank you!!
i love these vidz !!!
I think Garibaldi does ruffs in one of his fills for the song Squib Cakes around the 6:30 mark? What a coincidence that I've been trying to figure out that fill the past couple of days and this video pops up 😂
Nice content how does the coaching course work? I m interested
The terminology thing can be tricky when doing instructional vids. I try to mention all the potential names it may or may not have to try and keep it as broad as possible. Nice job on the vid!
Thanks Steve!
Nate killin the edits and transitions today bro. Did you get some new plug ins? 😎
Yoooo The birth of Kije 🤣🤣 that brings back memories
Nice, it sounds like a herta too!
Good one!!!
Nate, thanks for the reminder on the ruff & the example using the rudement ruff's around the kit. What makes me laugh, is hearing other drummers complain about rudiments when we play many of them if not all (depending on the song) in the songs we play, anyway! I guess the jokes on us. We're playing rudiments one way or the other! Again, many thanks on your efforts in sharing these lessons!! Job well done!!!
That's pretty much exactly the purpose of rudiments as well as the etymology of the term. :)
And funny 2👍👍👍🎼🎼🎼🎼
growing the beard out rly makes you look like tobey maguire now lol
Waaaay too enjoyable
Every fucking week a great video man! Thumbs up!
I am not a jazz drummer but I will use this
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Wicked.
You can actually play another variation on the 2 stroke marcus rough (if you can call it a variation) ... Making it a 3 stroke rough on one hand (can be useful sometimes)
You can actually "push/pull" double up the upstroke ant fast twitch for the rimshot... However, it's very very tough to get it as fast as the examples nate gave here...
It works best as ghost notes in a 16th note hip-hop groove feel... I feel like there's not a lot of people using it
I would love to see Nate apply that In his playing...
the snareeeeeeeeeee
have you changed grip from years of an other grip? i mean i often see you slice with your left hand.
I'v changed grip from american to french after about 10 years with american. I still struggles with slice with my left hand and i have been playing french for 3 years :P
But its not my highest priority when practicing
What’s wrong with slicing
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@@8020drummer For me it is a problem when getting up to speed and it is annoying having one hand that is not in full control.
@@8020drummer good talk
Nate I did not get the skip step break down😂
More of the doggie please
dank.
You gotta love trite, by nate wood :)
What's the name of the 3rd drummer you mentioned , mason?
Maison Guidry. Absolute monster.
Thanks man, I'm checking him out
@@jeremylamb2089 he is insane. Definitely tons to learn from
Never heard of him - do you have a video I should start with?
@@prhmusic check out his ig page, where he plays some solos or check out his channel just type in maison guidry you will find something awesome
Would you say that jazz drumming has changed more in the past 30 years than the horn playing has?
30 years would be joe Henderson to Branford to chris potter to mark turner to Walter smith to Ben Wendel. Nah, I’d say sax playing has undergone a similar odyssey.
WTELF am I not geting your posts on my Android anymore?
click the bell maybe? :P
Done already. Someting sinister!
Woof
Used to here this riff (ruff) on some of my older up tempo jazz LPs. If memory serves me correctly...one tune is by Cannonball Adderley Fun...off his Live at the Club. Please note I'm a bass player so I may be wrong. Enjoy and thanks again.
ua-cam.com/video/bRv9T06Gk74/v-deo.html
Of course Copeland’s been doing this since before it was cool
@ 8:03 I don't like to use this word but that's really hip.
roghov
"If you play it wrong, it could end up sounding like a drag.... 'It's a draaag, ya know what I mean?'" - Cawmine Appeese, overexplaining, 1985
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Daniel Denis did this 40 years ago.
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@2:38. how is that not a herta? you aren't playing it like a ruff.
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4:09
Hey man watch that left, it was little non left.
Hey remember when that dude told you to try swinging? Still my favorite comment
Love your content and your delivery. But, something's amiss: Please get rid of the white gaps in your acoustic foam in the background -- IT IS KILLING MY OCD! :D
RRRRRRuffs
Wouldn't that just be considered single stroke four
Sweeet
Now I finally know what made the drumming in that one Elise Trouw video so damn cool.
What. Why are you all looking at me like that.
?? A drag is 2 bounced notes on one hand and a third single note ( opposite hand). often accented but not necessarily- a ruff is 4 single strokes,,, last stroke most often accented but not necessarily--..
FIFTH COMMENT!!!!!
Great video except your cymbals give me so much anxiety XD
Lame ,,video ,Philly joe was doing that stuff 60 yrs ago