As a black Zulu man, my identity is my self worth, my value is based on how I see myself...it is not based on other people's evaluation... If you love and respect yourself ...you don't need to be loved by others...I call it self supremacy...
That is why I, as a white person, love you my Zulu brother. And I'm not left, right or liberal. I'm just me. A South African Boer. And you are my fellow South African. We both have a history, but we have a future too. We need to work together with a view on that. Otherwise, no matter what, we're all going down the drain.
@@thewanderer6637 love you my South African Boer brother, let us stand together and build a country for our families..we are Fathers, we are not politicians...
@@sengamemela3720 I love what you guys are saying. Let's work together and build a great country! Politicians are our enemy, they cause division amongst people.
As someone who recently visited it seems to me like the Whites are scapegoated to insane amounts by media etc. but when you go there they are so few in number and live about as modestly as anyone else there. I think South Africa is blessed in that the rest of the western world will no doubt have all the issues and challenges South Africa has but South Africans have the ability to just tackle them first and head on. Visiting I had mature respectful discussions you could never ever have in America. Even from people who openly told me they were a bit racist against White people. But there was a understanding we were friends and it was special. In America you will have people who call themselves anti racist and they for real have nothing but hate in their hearts.
Not few in number. Few in PERCENTAGE of population. There's a strong 4.6 million here. More than the entire population of Norway and New Zealand..... (excluding the 1 million who left otherwise ~ 5.7 million)
A study that race relations did showed 8 out off 10 South Africans is not racist,I believe SA is facing an Armageddon, and racism will be all time high,it will be mostly becoz the once that will act racist will see it the only way to protect,once the threat is gone and the country is cleaned out from all Sorros,and gates institutions ,the groups will find each other,and we will build an amazing country
The problem isn’t with the “people”. The problem is political rhetoric & socialist/ communist ideology. The current regime, in 1994 set its path to destroy white cultural, history, heritage etc, by implementing AA/BEE. Instead of bringing black interns in the private sector up to the skill: experience level of the then standard, by allowing them “on the job training”. But no, they forced 10’s of thousands of the minorities out of jobs, because it didn’t reflect the desired demographic. They then implemented stricter AA/BBEEE laws plus another 125 race based laws, notwithstanding EWC to allegedly make a level playing field under the guise of rectifying the “sins” of the past. Here we are 30 years on. The minorities adapted to the political playing field, started their own businesses & thrived. Normal everyday blacks on the other suffered at the hand of their own political leadership & chose social grants above carving their own destiny. Not all blacks, but most of them. I’m white & respect any other race that knuckles down & forges ahead to create their own future, for themselves & their families as opposed to playing the victim, using the race card & supporting a political regime that don’t even care about them! Just my 5 cents!
@@WalterWhite-bc8ck For sure, under a “willing buyer willing seller” agreement at market value, plus any additional infrastructure. Alternatively you could approach the ANC regime & claim the 75% land they own as the State.😂🙌
@@shaunmalone5406 that 75% of so called land from the state, actually doesn't have good soil conditions for farming, no minerals or fossil fuel. The land that white people took from us and forcing us in Concentration camps, is the stolen land we seek. Of course not all land was stolen
Thank you... You are not a victim of circumstance but a product of your decisions. If you rescue someone from the natural consequences of their BEHAVIOUR you render them powerless. Victim mentallity wont change anything because those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything, which makes progress a "struggle and fight". Stokholm syndrome...weak people cannot forgive and theres no freedom or future without forgiveness. An eye for an eye makes everyone blind. It doesnt matter what people say or the "colour" of skin, behaviour (character) is the only truth. Its how you behave towards yourself and others that shows who you are. Take responsibility for your life and dont blame anything or anyone. We can do it but there will have to be a shift in consciousness. ❤
@@MorgMorg-uf6ps however you cannot force people to forgive... And it doesn't have to be a must to forgive. Furthermore if I come and take your land, wife and everything you have owned... Wouldn't I be the one to be blamed for your misfortunes? Victim mentality? Tell that to the farmers who get murdered everyday 🤣
I don't want much... I want my home language to survive I want my history and culture to survive I want my family to feel and be safe I want to work and do business as an equal, no BEE As soon as we can agree on this, allot of our problems will go away!
On this topic I agree and support you guys fully. This concept of everyone is the same is an import from US/West. Everyone is not the same, different groups have advantages and disadvantages. The reducing of all problems to race is quite a sinister one.
but what about those who want to work but cant find work, i wanted to work until i was 65, but the law did not allow me to do it, i had to retire at 60,
@anthonyhofmeyrGermany if you can't work then contribute towards the community. Once you have contributed x number of hours to society in the cycle you are eligible to vote. The government should still support these individuals in terms of transport or whatever expenses they have relating to the work but I think it will do a great deal of good for their own dignity and character. Then we won't have freeloaders that keep voting for more free stuff.
Oil and water will NEVER mix. They are both useful for different things and each of their respective strengths can (and should) be used to benefit the country as a whole. Trying to "force" inclusion, which by default also introduces exclusion, is a recipe for disaster.
Correct..never seen a white man tyre burn another being then stand and watch taking selfies and sendig it all over social media..never seen a white man chop of a leg of a live sheep and leave it to suffer till they ready for the next leg..but i have seen africans do it..are we equal? U decide.. It does not mean one is better than the other we all have a function, it simply means we are Very different and recorgnizing That can lead to better relations. ps i am sure the ant does not think the lion is a supreme racist not visa versa they simply get on with life..
Yes oil and water never mix,well then go and mix with your own people in Europe.Your ancestors went to their land ,not the other way around. Believe if it was in our country,we would have deported such people way back
Why don't other countries, more diverse than SA have the same problems? Because theyre not whiners full of excuses, playing the slavery victim card dated back to the 1500's. They actually take action to counter inequality by not stealing the tax kitty empty or demolish + neglect municipalities, state depts or SOE's .
To go with a good ol Afrikaans saying - "soort soek soort" ... we are all different and should be free to gravitate towards those we are comfortable with and who have the same actions. And accept that others are different.
it works both ways, they are brainwashed all the years that white people are evil like we were all the years told by the NP about that Russia was planning to attack the country, when i grew up during the 1960/70 all we saw was the threat of the "ROOI GEVAAR" Sundays in Afrikaans newspaper, they used that excuse to make and force all white boys at 18 years old to go to the army, there was no "ROOI GEVAAR" was all a lie, i spent so much time on the South West Africa/Angola war and never saw one Russian soldier, and until today i get attacked by Afrikaans men here on UA-cam when i say these things that it was all a lie, and i didnt want to go to the army,i hated every day of the year while being there, what about all the black people killed /burnt by the police during the 1970/80. it works both ways, and time will never heal this story,
It is time to start some lawsuits. Not just here, but across the world. I am sick of being labelled as a racist just because my skin is pinkish. Also, why everyone on the PC side think that black people are stupid, it is very derogatory? Time to start engaging courts on this racism, we should start with HRC, that has proven to be racist in so many ways.
In 1998, around September, there was an article in a british Sunday newspaper with the title "What Monty (Field Marshal Montgomery) Saw and that Africa is proving correct". And now, 25 years later Africa is still proving what Monty saw correct.
You guys are correct. I have a lot of non white friends and who I really respect. Also those who I have worked with and are really skilled in what they do. There are those that promote seperation as an agenda.
Seperate but Equal was an American slogan - we did not really practice this in South Africa, Education being a case in point. However, yes, we South Africans can work together to fix the country no matter our background or colour. It just takes determination by a lot of people and a proper plan with some good leaders.
South Africans have to work together to fix the problem as the government doesn’t care what happens on the street. Bypass the government, make them irrelevant.
Maybe you should do some research about the Education. The Nats spent more on Black education than any other African State. Another case in point being is Mr. Mandela, he got degreed so it couldn't have been so bad isn't it? Also, wouldn't a contributing factor be the battle cry being Revolution before Education?
@@andrewdutoit9571 I have done my homework. Nelson Mandela was educated prior to SA becoming a republic and making Apartheid law. Once that happened then they made decisions about education and it was tiered with White children getting more money per child than the other colours in SA. This is well documented, and we are talking about South Africa not other countries on the African continent.
@@avrillee7369 The reason for the White kids getting slightly more is that in the early 1960's it was the start of the mass migration of the Majority from the rural areas into the White towns and city's. How do you budget for a group of people who's numbers change daily? That was why there were pass laws and group areas acts implemented to prevent the human tide from swamping the infrastructures in the towns as they were not designed for mass squatting. Also, with Black scholars burning what they had is it right to spend more money that the small SA economy could ill afford to just go up in smoke? How you would have solved the problem?
Didn’t work then and won’t work now. Some develop, others don’t. Those who don’t become dependent on those who do and you get the inevitable ‘friction’ when fingers and accusations of exploitation start getting pointed at the developing class. It’s the reason Orania doesn’t want cheap labour and everything is done in house.
@@Neo_Rain146 The reason why some develop and some don’t is because of mindset, mentality. Do expect people to serve you or do you want to serve people.Are you a giver or are you a taker?
@@spr822 Call it mindset, call it mentality, call it IQ, call it cutler….whatever. Fact is when you are held down by the lowest common denominator in society don’t expect to see any development happen only regression.
The fact is there was never enough for the people coming to the cities. Instead of creating new jobs and industry they just replaced white skilled labour with black unskilled labour. If we actually built and grew the economy their wouldnt be a need for BEE and AA. 5:29
The article is totally correct we all thrive on each others demise we need to be united as a nation to move forward we need sweepers tea girls accountants doctors i honestly believe we can't look down on people we all needed and race should have nothing to do with it a big white flag will happen when white South Africans after everything apartheid the yes no vote we need to be recognised recognised as genuine South Africans not as immigrants living out our time in Africa will go a huge way to stop racial divides
Yep, they even destroyed the standards there once were. Now there is no standard to measure anyone by. Then they have the audacity to call me racist if I don't feel sympathy whatsoever. As the saying goes if the shoe fits wear it then or like the Yanks say you made this bed now you have to to lie in it. They should not blame us whites for stating the obvious. Decisions have consequences and that includes very dumb decisions. I will keep saying we told you so till they admit they were wrong with their dumb ideas.
Hard work and diligence results typically in better living standards vs waiting for government to do it for you and blaming everyone. Maybe thats why they failing with poor mindsets and quality of life.
The basic fundamentals of different cultures is the value system in the way their members grow and develop in that way of life. Over the millennia on this earth there have been countless different cultures with some still today being thousands of years old that have maintained a RESPECT for each other and therefore are able to live in harmony (granted some not) which is the factor that creates societal order. What we as South Africans still have to learn is that what ever culture a people of various demographics have embraced cannot be forced on others so as to adopt their idea of a perfect existence. One does not need to understand a different culture to their own but just respect that others share their space and that it is their differences that creates the dynamics of existence.
We are all equal, yes. i can fix rand water to the point that they no longer supply cholera water, in 2 weeks. Without black management, and with the operational staff on site. 4 degrees makes me different.
Creativity comes from our differences with each to their our distinct thoughts and emotions. Without this there would be no innovation and no progress.
I don't care of anyone race. My problem is the economic setup of South Africa where Blacks, in particular, Africans, do not have access to funding to start their own businesses and to markets to sell their goods. The market is flooded with cheap counterfeit fong kong goods from Asia.
Then why do over 90% of land claim applicants choose to take cash over land? And consequently not use that money to start these ‘enterprises’ you speak of? Could it be perhaps because having the shiney new thing like a Mercedes Benz or Gucci bag is more important than creating generational wealth? It’s the same reason book stores are disappearing in malls and sneaker stores are increasing.
@@Neo_Rain146 What a stupid question? The answer is in my original comment. Why would they start their businesses if there is no market? You are so stupid you need a brain surgery.
@@andrewdutoit9571 The Financial market I know wants a collateral for it to lend you money. My shack is not considered a collateral by your Financial market. Worse, if my Business Plan has a bright idea, they steal that idea and implement by themselves. Your Financial market is hostile to us shack dwellers.
@@shopekassie There are company's that act as a go between. They will negotiate you a business loan from the financial houses on your behalf. I doubt if these people steal your ideas as making money is their goal.
KFC Happy meal , food parcels and free T shirts every national election and the statement if you dont vote for us you go back to Apartheid . Add to that the control by The Head Man in a tribal area and Unions Dicatating whom members will vote for . It is complicated .
One day we will be able to guilt trip and blame just like we get blamed, we will be able to say “oppressors” and demand land, money , jobs etc. 30 years of black rule and the country is a fucking disaster.
@@launcemay5994 Yip, so true. I have many very intelligent friends from all races, but I'm afraid the anc voters were duped by the lure of promises. People need to realise that voting for something that is obviously not working is not going to work. Rebuilding of wealth, not redistribution of wealth is what will make South Africa better
@@launcemay5994I voted anc and then I just stopped going to vote because politicians are all the same and to say that they give us kfc is just totally disrespectful to black ppl,that us why most of us despise u,it's because of the stupid comments like that.
This topic needs to be discussed in depth with different parties involved. I read the comments, realized most whites are misinformed about black south africans. When blacks talk about inclusion, we don't mean to mix culture. Another thing, denialism of our past and its impact is not going to move our country forward. We need to be brutally honest with our socio economic structures so that we can fix this nation.
Yeah but when whites are brutally honest we get labeled racist? It’s ok for you as a black person to be brutally honest but when we do it then it’s bigotry. How is anything supposed to em get fixed when he have to tip toe around glaring problems as to not offend your racial sensibilities
@@andrewdutoit9571 but do you guys understand though? We are all talking but somehow none is understanding the other. And i realise this is why foreign entities are able to penetrate us and destroy is from within. Just read the comments.
Diversity only works when all races in the diverse society contribute something of value to that society. So what exactly do blacks contribute to a diverse society?
Such claims are needed to discredit any good a privileged minority e.g. Afriforum, solidarity etc has within a failing system governed by ANC. Greed does not discriminate. We're Equally human but not equal in innate abilities etc. Nice work guys
I would love to give you another prospect to check out unfortunately there was studies done around the world IQ is the problem in Africa and I'm sorry to say it but that's the way it is
I tend to disagree with you, you get people that can only think about themselves, getting as much as possible for themselves today, no ability to think about others or to care about tomorrow. Sadly this seems to be the majority in our country and strangely seen even in those who are supposed to lead the country, would have thought the consciousness have evolved a bit further there....
This is a consequence of our white ancestors having to plan and navigate harsh winters in Europe. Always planting crops, always stockpiling food for winter always planning ahead for the next harvest or situation of scarcity. It’s how civilization is built. Here in Africa it’s always been the plentiful bounty because some continue this mentality while other enjoy it but when you have a culture that has never had to plan for tomorrow and only thinks of filling their bellies today then you have modern day SA
I love that "350 years of oppression" theory. We have not even known them for 350 years. Firstly they only arrived in SA about 200 years ago. Secondly they ruled themselves basically right up to Union in 1910.
Also remember that it was the Europeans that FIRST abolished slavery, which was a thriving industry for the black africans, arabs and Muslims (who started the slave trade). America had a whole civil war to abolish slavery.
Just a load off hogwash the globalists propoganda into their minds,if the guys that advocate this oppression for 350 years story meet shaka in the after life,he will slap their ears red for them,cause they dumb him down to a pathetic slave,and trust me he was definitely not the submissive pathetic slave type
Where i live in Worcester u can still see AWB flags .....nd the Racism is extreme 💔😢skin colour should never be a Problem if u bought a house in a posh Neighborhood but here its Real 🙈🙄
The problem is that we still have to deal with the subversion of black youth that happened 30 years ago. And the subversion of the white youth from 60 years ago.
I don't believe the White youth was or is subverted, they have been like that for centuries. Before my Great Great Grandfathers time, the Boer laaitjie were sent out with a rifle and one bullet to bring back venison for the pot...or else. It was our Culture.
There is nothing inherently wrong with socialism or communism. The west was built in large part through socialism. You guys always speak about closed borders that is not a capitalist position. Capitalism would encourage open borders socialism would encourage closed borders
Socialiism works in Western Europe because they have a large tax payer base. In SA it doesn't work because 6million registered taxpayers are carrying a population of approx 60million people (not taking into account the informal economy and vat of course)
I would actually like to work with you guys. And I come for free. Have MS, receive an insurance income. Mahala. My children are in Jozi so It would be cool to have coffee with Roman. I live in CT so PE is a shorter hop.
I think it is more a reflection of The Daily Friend comment section, that is full of that type of viewpoint. That said, you guys are equally confused - you want to be right wing conservatives, but invoke all sort of liberal and classic liberal motifs to justify why 8% should have a bigger stake in South African values, traditions and institutions? All these European conservatives, don't argue for civic nationalism, more power to minorities (including enclaves / self-help societies) and less influence for the authentic and organic French tradition, culture and langue - exactly the opposite. To be a principled conservative in South Africa, you should accept what it means to be a minority and trying to conserve traditions, institutions and practices reflective of the majority (including building towards it organically from existing practices) whilst tolerating minorities and sustainable levels of pluralism. You guys are more properly seen as alt-right - or progressive liberal in thinking, but wanting a western identity / white South African (again rational and liberal). Exactly the opposite of conservatism...
😂😂😂saying ramaphosa is socialist is crazy ...the anc socialist.......the billionaires says he is a socialist 😂😂and you believe them ....anyone can say they're a socialist..it doesn't make you one
Clearly one has to look at the jingoistic ORANIA TOWN ( Northern Cape) where the remnants ofthe old neo nazi afrikaner apartheid regime has established an all white afrikaner / Calvinist stronghold consisting of some 2000 racists. They worship the apartheid ideas of Hendrik perfector of apartheid. Hissed from Australia 🇦🇺. Just saying
That article is pure CRT. Mindless, senseless and racist at its core. I cannot believe that the article was published. I have lost all hope fo Ivor Vegter and the Daily Friend. I thought these people had some sense. What is so shocking is that the Daily Friend is closely associated with the IRR. To have someone on their team spew all this racist crap is not doing them any favors.
Separate but equal is a racist concept. A poor white has as much in common with a poor black than either of them have with their wealthy counterparts. When you say “relying on the strength of different groups “ you are speaking from a position of privileged. I grew up in a suburban environment and my children will grow up in the suburbs. my grandparents grew up in poverty in rural areas. when you say strengths of different groups are my grandparents and I different groups ? It seems like you are saying certain things are inherent to particular groups. Byron even gives an example where he identifies himself with western elites while he identifies us with an impoverished family in the rural village. This philosophy lacks the nuance of socio economic conditions and simply looks at where people are at that point in time to say that that is their inherent value and ability.
@lwandomadikizela Let us all stop this nonsense. Get an education or better a skill and you will live a happier live. Let us try to respect each other by not murdering and stealing.
@@gustabeumer688I think he's saying the article itself is racist for blaming everything on white people and assuming the country will naturally black because the article has low expectations for black people.
@@gustabeumer688 I'm just stating my views on the article itself. I want us to get along and respect each other in South Africa. It's just morons making nonsense of minds of black people and white people without proper facts and evidence. Hence comment though my wording is wrong.
These guys always take a truthand lie abt it I spoke to a misioner once,and he told me this story He visited a village once,in the middle was a fantastically beautiful house Around that house was huts and not rich at all But the house was empty He asked the guys why is the house empty, they told him there used to live a richblack guy in it,but they poisoned him becoz his prosperity let the rest off the people feel inferior Roman we will never think the same way about everything, me I feel they must have their villages off huts without the way they feel comfortable in,but we must work together as a team,like Black pen always say the one is a hooker the one is a scum guy,the other one kicker but we must stay out off others domestic endeavors
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if someone blames "white supremacy" etc etc, i see lazyness and excuses.
As a black Zulu man, my identity is my self worth, my value is based on how I see myself...it is not based on other people's evaluation...
If you love and respect yourself ...you don't need to be loved by others...I call it self supremacy...
That is why I, as a white person, love you my Zulu brother. And I'm not left, right or liberal. I'm just me. A South African Boer. And you are my fellow South African. We both have a history, but we have a future too. We need to work together with a view on that. Otherwise, no matter what, we're all going down the drain.
@@thewanderer6637 love you my South African Boer brother, let us stand together and build a country for our families..we are Fathers, we are not politicians...
you are right
Well said 👍👍👍
@@sengamemela3720 I love what you guys are saying. Let's work together and build a great country! Politicians are our enemy, they cause division amongst people.
Without racism the ANC loses NOW, they have to keep stoking it.
Oh yes, the so-called "govt" are the biggest stirrers!!!
And the eff.
As someone who recently visited it seems to me like the Whites are scapegoated to insane amounts by media etc. but when you go there they are so few in number and live about as modestly as anyone else there.
I think South Africa is blessed in that the rest of the western world will no doubt have all the issues and challenges South Africa has but South Africans have the ability to just tackle them first and head on.
Visiting I had mature respectful discussions you could never ever have in America. Even from people who openly told me they were a bit racist against White people. But there was a understanding we were friends and it was special.
In America you will have people who call themselves anti racist and they for real have nothing but hate in their hearts.
Not few in number. Few in PERCENTAGE of population. There's a strong 4.6 million here. More than the entire population of Norway and New Zealand..... (excluding the 1 million who left otherwise ~ 5.7 million)
Ya well welcome to RSA , where us whites must pay for everyone, be guilty for their own failure and face daily threats of violence.
EFF is full of those filled with hate over here too, I'm afraid.
A study that race relations did showed 8 out off 10 South Africans is not racist,I believe SA is facing an Armageddon, and racism will be all time high,it will be mostly becoz the once that will act racist will see it the only way to protect,once the threat is gone and the country is cleaned out from all Sorros,and gates institutions ,the groups will find each other,and we will build an amazing country
@@PatrickVianello-oand y’all can’t eliminate the (living in the 13th century) scum?
I find it hilarious how it's perfectly okay to stereotype white people but not anyone else
The problem isn’t with the “people”. The problem is political rhetoric & socialist/ communist ideology. The current regime, in 1994 set its path to destroy white cultural, history, heritage etc, by implementing AA/BEE. Instead of bringing black interns in the private sector up to the skill: experience level of the then standard, by allowing them “on the job training”. But no, they forced 10’s of thousands of the minorities out of jobs, because it didn’t reflect the desired demographic. They then implemented stricter AA/BBEEE laws plus another 125 race based laws, notwithstanding EWC to allegedly make a level playing field under the guise of rectifying the “sins” of the past. Here we are 30 years on. The minorities adapted to the political playing field, started their own businesses & thrived. Normal everyday blacks on the other suffered at the hand of their own political leadership & chose social grants above carving their own destiny. Not all blacks, but most of them. I’m white & respect any other race that knuckles down & forges ahead to create their own future, for themselves & their families as opposed to playing the victim, using the race card & supporting a political regime that don’t even care about them! Just my 5 cents!
So what about the stolen land... Are we going to get that too😂
@@WalterWhite-bc8ck For sure, under a “willing buyer willing seller” agreement at market value, plus any additional infrastructure. Alternatively you could approach the ANC regime & claim the 75% land they own as the State.😂🙌
@@shaunmalone5406 that 75% of so called land from the state, actually doesn't have good soil conditions for farming, no minerals or fossil fuel.
The land that white people took from us and forcing us in Concentration camps, is the stolen land we seek.
Of course not all land was stolen
Thank you...
You are not a victim of circumstance but a product of your decisions. If you rescue someone from the natural consequences of their BEHAVIOUR you render them powerless. Victim mentallity wont change anything because those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything, which makes progress a "struggle and fight". Stokholm syndrome...weak people cannot forgive and theres no freedom or future without forgiveness. An eye for an eye makes everyone blind. It doesnt matter what people say or the "colour" of skin, behaviour (character) is the only truth. Its how you behave towards yourself and others that shows who you are. Take responsibility for your life and dont blame anything or anyone. We can do it but there will have to be a shift in consciousness. ❤
@@MorgMorg-uf6ps however you cannot force people to forgive... And it doesn't have to be a must to forgive.
Furthermore if I come and take your land, wife and everything you have owned... Wouldn't I be the one to be blamed for your misfortunes?
Victim mentality? Tell that to the farmers who get murdered everyday 🤣
I don't want much...
I want my home language to survive
I want my history and culture to survive
I want my family to feel and be safe
I want to work and do business as an equal, no BEE
As soon as we can agree on this, allot of our problems will go away!
On this topic I agree and support you guys fully. This concept of everyone is the same is an import from US/West. Everyone is not the same, different groups have advantages and disadvantages. The reducing of all problems to race is quite a sinister one.
I don't even treat my dogs the same...and they are of the same breed! 🤔Damn idiot politicians and their greed.🤐
Amazing how you can be a successful Political Career Socialist and then reap all the Financial benifits in a Capitalist System.Way to go Cyril.
They should qualify the vote , if you don't pay any tax you shouldn't be able to say how that money is spent...
but what about those who want to work but cant find work, i wanted to work until i was 65, but the law did not allow me to do it, i had to retire at 60,
@anthonyhofmeyrGermany if you can't work then contribute towards the community. Once you have contributed x number of hours to society in the cycle you are eligible to vote. The government should still support these individuals in terms of transport or whatever expenses they have relating to the work but I think it will do a great deal of good for their own dignity and character. Then we won't have freeloaders that keep voting for more free stuff.
Personally I dont want to pay tax and I would gladly give up my vote. But I am a Ancap..
@@Jan-jx6ne they only want sassa money
@@rift5980
Oil and water will NEVER mix.
They are both useful for different things and each of their respective strengths can (and should) be used to benefit the country as a whole.
Trying to "force" inclusion, which by default also introduces exclusion, is a recipe for disaster.
Correct..never seen a white man tyre burn another being then stand and watch taking selfies and sendig it all over social media..never seen a white man chop of a leg of a live sheep and leave it to suffer till they ready for the next leg..but i have seen africans do it..are we equal? U decide.. It does not mean one is better than the other we all have a function, it simply means we are Very different and recorgnizing That can lead to better relations. ps i am sure the ant does not think the lion is a supreme racist not visa versa they simply get on with life..
Yes oil and water never mix,well then go and mix with your own people in Europe.Your ancestors went to their land ,not the other way around.
Believe if it was in our country,we would have deported such people way back
Why don't other countries, more diverse than SA have the same problems? Because theyre not whiners full of excuses, playing the slavery victim card dated back to the 1500's. They actually take action to counter inequality by not stealing the tax kitty empty or demolish + neglect municipalities, state depts or SOE's .
To go with a good ol Afrikaans saying - "soort soek soort" ... we are all different and should be free to gravitate towards those we are comfortable with and who have the same actions. And accept that others are different.
HOW ABOUT WE SWITCH OFF ALL THE POLITICS
so true, we all are brainwashed about how we think of other races,
Then what?
@@dnxsol we elect reputable people to run our communities
@@dnxsolWe get the work done ourselves.
@@dnxsolThen Adults can rule Themselfs....the Juvenil adults acn starve and fight among themselves.
This man was brutally murdered with a panga and cut up alive; similar to what ANC MK Swapo did to white farmers in South West Africa 😢
Not sure why this picture had to be used
it works both ways, they are brainwashed all the years that white people are evil like we were all the years told by the NP about that Russia was planning to attack the country, when i grew up during the 1960/70 all we saw was the threat of the "ROOI GEVAAR" Sundays in Afrikaans newspaper, they used that excuse to make and force all white boys at 18 years old to go to the army, there was no "ROOI GEVAAR" was all a lie, i spent so much time on the South West Africa/Angola war and never saw one Russian soldier, and until today i get attacked by Afrikaans men here on UA-cam when i say these things that it was all a lie, and i didnt want to go to the army,i hated every day of the year while being there, what about all the black people killed /burnt by the police during the 1970/80. it works both ways, and time will never heal this story,
Coz it's the truth, are you avoiding the elephant in the room
He deserved it he was a racist who abused and killed black people
I believe it's easier to control people if they are divided and its the media's job to divide.
It is time to start some lawsuits. Not just here, but across the world. I am sick of being labelled as a racist just because my skin is pinkish. Also, why everyone on the PC side think that black people are stupid, it is very derogatory? Time to start engaging courts on this racism, we should start with HRC, that has proven to be racist in so many ways.
We always have to mince words and beat around the bush .. we all know the actual truth!
Please explain, I'm not following you here
@@dnxsol Try harder!
In 1998, around September, there was an article in a british Sunday newspaper with the title "What Monty (Field Marshal Montgomery) Saw and that Africa is proving correct". And now, 25 years later Africa is still proving what Monty saw correct.
Please give details of the article, I would like to read it.
Politics stinks!!!😮😮
ANC playing the victim, but are the aggressors.
You guys are correct. I have a lot of non white friends and who I really respect. Also those who I have worked with and are really skilled in what they do. There are those that promote seperation as an agenda.
Seperate but Equal was an American slogan - we did not really practice this in South Africa, Education being a case in point. However, yes, we South Africans can work together to fix the country no matter our background or colour. It just takes determination by a lot of people and a proper plan with some good leaders.
South Africans have to work together to fix the problem as the government doesn’t care what happens on the street. Bypass the government, make them irrelevant.
Maybe you should do some research about the Education. The Nats spent more on Black education than any other African State. Another case in point being is Mr. Mandela, he got degreed so it couldn't have been so bad isn't it? Also, wouldn't a contributing factor be the battle cry being Revolution before Education?
@@andrewdutoit9571 I have done my homework. Nelson Mandela was educated prior to SA becoming a republic and making Apartheid law. Once that happened then they made decisions about education and it was tiered with White children getting more money per child than the other colours in SA. This is well documented, and we are talking about South Africa not other countries on the African continent.
@@avrillee7369 The reason for the White kids getting slightly more is that in the early 1960's it was the start of the mass migration of the Majority from the rural areas into the White towns and city's. How do you budget for a group of people who's numbers change daily? That was why there were pass laws and group areas acts implemented to prevent the human tide from swamping the infrastructures in the towns as they were not designed for mass squatting. Also, with Black scholars burning what they had is it right to spend more money that the small SA economy could ill afford to just go up in smoke? How you would have solved the problem?
@@avrillee7369 So you telling us all that your current president has an inferior education?
I understand that the article in question is from news 24. If so i will not be supprised.
They refused to cover unethical behaviour of FSCA and abuse of power by Lamola, so no surprise here🤔
It’s from the Daily friend
Basically break South Africa up into different Balkans like Europe.Exactly what Vewoerd wanted with separate development.
Never! Those who don't want to be part of this nation must migrate. Its a free world
Didn’t work then and won’t work now. Some develop, others don’t. Those who don’t become dependent on those who do and you get the inevitable ‘friction’ when fingers and accusations of exploitation start getting pointed at the developing class. It’s the reason Orania doesn’t want cheap labour and everything is done in house.
@@Neo_Rain146 The reason why some develop and some don’t is because of mindset, mentality. Do expect people to serve you or do you want to serve people.Are you a giver or are you a taker?
@@spr822 Call it mindset, call it mentality, call it IQ, call it cutler….whatever. Fact is when you are held down by the lowest common denominator in society don’t expect to see any development happen only regression.
@@Neo_Rain146 almost like being cursed, permanently stuck in a toilet pit and never getting out.
Ja .. went back and read the piece (and all the comments 🤣) You guys nailed it again. 🌹🌹 We need to get real and stop thinking in concepts. 🤔
Hey I love my culture and heritage.
The fact is there was never enough for the people coming to the cities. Instead of creating new jobs and industry they just replaced white skilled labour with black unskilled labour. If we actually built and grew the economy their wouldnt be a need for BEE and AA. 5:29
"Our problems are other peoples fault" - African proverb.
True story.
Exactly, agree 100%
The article is totally correct we all thrive on each others demise we need to be united as a nation to move forward we need sweepers tea girls accountants doctors i honestly believe we can't look down on people we all needed and race should have nothing to do with it a big white flag will happen when white South Africans after everything apartheid the yes no vote we need to be recognised recognised as genuine South Africans not as immigrants living out our time in Africa will go a huge way to stop racial divides
The soft bigotry of low expectations. That's what I would describe this article as
Yep, they even destroyed the standards there once were. Now there is no standard to measure anyone by. Then they have the audacity to call me racist if I don't feel sympathy whatsoever. As the saying goes if the shoe fits wear it then or like the Yanks say you made this bed now you have to to lie in it. They should not blame us whites for stating the obvious. Decisions have consequences and that includes very dumb decisions. I will keep saying we told you so till they admit they were wrong with their dumb ideas.
Look at the starting line-up at a 100 meter sprint at the Olympics. Then you want to tell me there are no differences?
Hard work and diligence results typically in better living standards vs waiting for government to do it for you and blaming everyone. Maybe thats why they failing with poor mindsets and quality of life.
I think that it has more to do with different cultures rather than perceived intelligence.
You cannot be free when your idea of being free depends on other races giving you handouts via BEE, AA and sports quotas.
The basic fundamentals of different cultures is the value system in the way their members grow and develop in that way of life. Over the millennia on this earth there have been countless different cultures with some still today being thousands of years old that have maintained a RESPECT for each other and therefore are able to live in harmony (granted some not) which is the factor that creates societal order. What we as South Africans still have to learn is that what ever culture a people of various demographics have embraced cannot be forced on others so as to adopt their idea of a perfect existence. One does not need to understand a different culture to their own but just respect that others share their space and that it is their differences that creates the dynamics of existence.
Excellent analysis.
The joys wanting to be free and then not knowing what to do with your freedom for 30 years after you got it. 😂😂
We are all equal, yes. i can fix rand water to the point that they no longer supply cholera water, in 2 weeks. Without black management, and with the operational staff on site. 4 degrees makes me different.
Yeah me too. It’s called HtH
We not all equal, thats why you have 4 degrees and most of us none. Is that equality? Anyway, being 4 degrees hotter than me means that you got Cov!d.
Spot on
Creativity comes from our differences with each to their our distinct thoughts and emotions. Without this there would be no innovation and no progress.
I don't care of anyone race. My problem is the economic setup of South Africa where Blacks, in particular, Africans, do not have access to funding to start their own businesses and to markets to sell their goods. The market is flooded with cheap counterfeit fong kong goods from Asia.
Then why do over 90% of land claim applicants choose to take cash over land? And consequently not use that money to start these ‘enterprises’ you speak of? Could it be perhaps because having the shiney new thing like a Mercedes Benz or Gucci bag is more important than creating generational wealth?
It’s the same reason book stores are disappearing in malls and sneaker stores are increasing.
Get a business together, the Financial market is geared to help the Majority.
@@Neo_Rain146 What a stupid question? The answer is in my original comment. Why would they start their businesses if there is no market? You are so stupid you need a brain surgery.
@@andrewdutoit9571 The Financial market I know wants a collateral for it to lend you money. My shack is not considered a collateral by your Financial market. Worse, if my Business Plan has a bright idea, they steal that idea and implement by themselves. Your Financial market is hostile to us shack dwellers.
@@shopekassie There are company's that act as a go between. They will negotiate you a business loan from the financial houses on your behalf. I doubt if these people steal your ideas as making money is their goal.
Does anyone realky care anymore? This is all that happens, just jabbering all the time... Put forward ways to make changes
Who voted the anc in year after year?
KFC Happy meal , food parcels and free T shirts every national election and the statement if you dont vote for us you go back to Apartheid . Add to that the control by The Head Man in a tribal area and Unions Dicatating whom members will vote for . It is complicated .
One day we will be able to guilt trip and blame just like we get blamed, we will be able to say “oppressors” and demand land, money , jobs etc. 30 years of black rule and the country is a fucking disaster.
@@launcemay5994Not that complicated. Short version....blacks have not evolved sufficiently. Democracy is a foreign concept to them.
@@launcemay5994 Yip, so true. I have many very intelligent friends from all races, but I'm afraid the anc voters were duped by the lure of promises. People need to realise that voting for something that is obviously not working is not going to work. Rebuilding of wealth, not redistribution of wealth is what will make South Africa better
@@launcemay5994I voted anc and then I just stopped going to vote because politicians are all the same and to say that they give us kfc is just totally disrespectful to black ppl,that us why most of us despise u,it's because of the stupid comments like that.
Like the homage to Canadiana Byron!
This topic needs to be discussed in depth with different parties involved. I read the comments, realized most whites are misinformed about black south africans. When blacks talk about inclusion, we don't mean to mix culture. Another thing, denialism of our past and its impact is not going to move our country forward. We need to be brutally honest with our socio economic structures so that we can fix this nation.
Yeah but when whites are brutally honest we get labeled racist? It’s ok for you as a black person to be brutally honest but when we do it then it’s bigotry. How is anything supposed to em get fixed when he have to tip toe around glaring problems as to not offend your racial sensibilities
You are included, to such an extent you run the show. How much more must be done?
@@andrewdutoit9571 but do you guys understand though? We are all talking but somehow none is understanding the other. And i realise this is why foreign entities are able to penetrate us and destroy is from within. Just read the comments.
Aaaand! If there woulda been more TRUE PATRIOTS like this Maljan,,,,then SA would'nt be the ugly mess it is nowadayz.Eish!Harsh but TRUE.
Diversity only works when all races in the diverse society contribute something of value to that society. So what exactly do blacks contribute to a diverse society?
Amapiano?
Give that writer the seagull 😂
I love your channel!
.....I would've loved to see Eugene take on Rooikappie........sparks!
You don't get out what you don't put in! Sue me!
Agreed. That article was an absolute load of crap.
Well done, you guys have just come to the same conclusion that Verwoerd came to in 1961. So basically you believe in Aparthe!d.
Truly love this!
Such claims are needed to discredit any good a privileged minority e.g. Afriforum, solidarity etc has within a failing system governed by ANC.
Greed does not discriminate.
We're Equally human but not equal in innate abilities etc.
Nice work guys
Please share a link to article of quoted French philosopher.
Send your poem to the EFF poetry competition @Roman.
I would love to give you another prospect to check out unfortunately there was studies done around the world IQ is the problem in Africa and I'm sorry to say it but that's the way it is
I am so very very Tired of this issue
Tiresome 😮😮😮😮😮
different and equal :D
I tend to disagree with you, you get people that can only think about themselves, getting as much as possible for themselves today, no ability to think about others or to care about tomorrow. Sadly this seems to be the majority in our country and strangely seen even in those who are supposed to lead the country, would have thought the consciousness have evolved a bit further there....
This is a consequence of our white ancestors having to plan and navigate harsh winters in Europe. Always planting crops, always stockpiling food for winter always planning ahead for the next harvest or situation of scarcity. It’s how civilization is built. Here in Africa it’s always been the plentiful bounty because some continue this mentality while other enjoy it but when you have a culture that has never had to plan for tomorrow and only thinks of filling their bellies today then you have modern day SA
I love that "350 years of oppression" theory.
We have not even known them for 350 years.
Firstly they only arrived in SA about 200 years ago.
Secondly they ruled themselves basically right up to Union in 1910.
Also remember that it was the Europeans that FIRST abolished slavery, which was a thriving industry for the black africans, arabs and Muslims (who started the slave trade). America had a whole civil war to abolish slavery.
Not really. Black South Africans have been around for at least 1000 years. Based on archeological evidence.
Just a load off hogwash the globalists propoganda into their minds,if the guys that advocate this oppression for 350 years story meet shaka in the after life,he will slap their ears red for them,cause they dumb him down to a pathetic slave,and trust me he was definitely not the submissive pathetic slave type
Bantu speaking people arrived over 1700 years ago and before that there were khwe and Xam tribes
@@michellegrobler9732there was no slavery in South Africa till the Dutch arrived
BRICS is a good future for South Africa and the world...
Ivo Vegter is like that weird neighbour who looks and acts like a demented hippie 🤷♂️
I thought the IRR and the daily friend was on the level... Seems they are not...
If we get along very well then dubula ibunu is not hate speeche
You didn't mention what you think of cANCer lite 😄
Plenty of different pieces to finish a puzzle. Humans are the same.
No, they're not.
Who owns news 24?
Naspers.
Where i live in Worcester u can still see AWB flags .....nd the Racism is extreme 💔😢skin colour should never be a Problem if u bought a house in a posh Neighborhood but here its Real 🙈🙄
The problem is that we still have to deal with the subversion of black youth that happened 30 years ago. And the subversion of the white youth from 60 years ago.
I don't believe the White youth was or is subverted, they have been like that for centuries. Before my Great Great Grandfathers time, the Boer laaitjie were sent out with a rifle and one bullet to bring back venison for the pot...or else. It was our Culture.
Came across the daily friend channel..............
No comment
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socialism is gooood !!!!! until you run out of other peoples money
There is also one thing still unsaid...
What's that?
Why is malema still alive 🤷♂️?
Christianity teaches that we are the servant and that we are all equal in the eyes of the Lord... no one person is more superior or inferior..
It does? Oh, well, they probably feel they need to keep up with all the black supremacists, and all the other supremacist movements going on now 🤷♂
There is nothing inherently wrong with socialism or communism. The west was built in large part through socialism. You guys always speak about closed borders that is not a capitalist position. Capitalism would encourage open borders socialism would encourage closed borders
Socialiism works in Western Europe because they have a large tax payer base. In SA it doesn't work because 6million registered taxpayers are carrying a population of approx 60million people (not taking into account the informal economy and vat of course)
@@anjieismyname So Malema is a capitalist?🤔
Anglo sounds like the K word for souties lol. Hey voetsek you anglo!
THE REASON FOR RACISM COMES FROM FEAR AND IGNORANCE WHICH ARE THE STATE OF MAJORITY OF SOUTH AFRICANS. WE ARE A REPRESSED NATION.
I would actually like to work with you guys. And I come for free. Have MS, receive an insurance income. Mahala. My children are in Jozi so It would be cool to have coffee with Roman. I live in CT so PE is a shorter hop.
Send us an email: roman@morningshot.co.za
I think it is more a reflection of The Daily Friend comment section, that is full of that type of viewpoint. That said, you guys are equally confused - you want to be right wing conservatives, but invoke all sort of liberal and classic liberal motifs to justify why 8% should have a bigger stake in South African values, traditions and institutions? All these European conservatives, don't argue for civic nationalism, more power to minorities (including enclaves / self-help societies) and less influence for the authentic and organic French tradition, culture and langue - exactly the opposite. To be a principled conservative in South Africa, you should accept what it means to be a minority and trying to conserve traditions, institutions and practices reflective of the majority (including building towards it organically from existing practices) whilst tolerating minorities and sustainable levels of pluralism. You guys are more properly seen as alt-right - or progressive liberal in thinking, but wanting a western identity / white South African (again rational and liberal). Exactly the opposite of conservatism...
I wouldn’t call that delusional drivel in the Daily Friend an article 😂
Know know just fucken stop raid steel brake murder and and the list go on
Africa for africans if u can difine that we done have duh cure with explanation
😂😂😂saying ramaphosa is socialist is crazy ...the anc socialist.......the billionaires says he is a socialist 😂😂and you believe them ....anyone can say they're a socialist..it doesn't make you one
Name one socialist who doesn’t like money.
Denialists have bomrushed this post like the bees in a beehive i see.
Clearly one has to look at the jingoistic ORANIA TOWN ( Northern Cape) where the remnants ofthe old neo nazi afrikaner apartheid regime has established an all white afrikaner / Calvinist stronghold consisting of some 2000 racists. They worship the apartheid ideas of Hendrik perfector of apartheid. Hissed from Australia 🇦🇺. Just saying
That article is pure CRT. Mindless, senseless and racist at its core. I cannot believe that the article was published. I have lost all hope fo Ivor Vegter and the Daily Friend. I thought these people had some sense. What is so shocking is that the Daily Friend is closely associated with the IRR. To have someone on their team spew all this racist crap is not doing them any favors.
Allow this person to rest in peace.
Definitely the wrong picture to use
No guys this is nonsense
I disagree that black people had 350 years of oppression look at the GDP per capita of SA it is the highest in Africa.....
Separate but equal is a racist concept. A poor white has as much in common with a poor black than either of them have with their wealthy counterparts. When you say “relying on the strength of different groups “ you are speaking from a position of privileged. I grew up in a suburban environment and my children will grow up in the suburbs. my grandparents grew up in poverty in rural areas. when you say strengths of different groups are my grandparents and I different groups ? It seems like you are saying certain things are inherent to particular groups. Byron even gives an example where he identifies himself with western elites while he identifies us with an impoverished family in the rural village. This philosophy lacks the nuance of socio economic conditions and simply looks at where people are at that point in time to say that that is their inherent value and ability.
All it is is Culture. Nobody can take the blame for it. You are what you are. You have transitioned to the White Culture.
Kak
This article is blatant bigotry if you ask me.
@lwandomadikizela Let us all stop this nonsense. Get an education or better a skill and you will live a happier live. Let us try to respect each other by not murdering and stealing.
@@gustabeumer688I think he's saying the article itself is racist for blaming everything on white people and assuming the country will naturally black because the article has low expectations for black people.
@@gustabeumer688 I'm just stating my views on the article itself. I want us to get along and respect each other in South Africa. It's just morons making nonsense of minds of black people and white people without proper facts and evidence. Hence comment though my wording is wrong.
These guys always take a truthand lie abt it
I spoke to a misioner once,and he told me this story
He visited a village once,in the middle was a fantastically beautiful house
Around that house was huts and not rich at all
But the house was empty
He asked the guys why is the house empty, they told him there used to live a richblack guy in it,but they poisoned him becoz his prosperity let the rest off the people feel inferior
Roman we will never think the same way about everything, me I feel they must have their villages off huts without the way they feel comfortable in,but we must work together as a team,like Black pen always say the one is a hooker the one is a scum guy,the other one kicker but we must stay out off others domestic endeavors