4Runner is one of the most reliable vehicles on the market. It's bullet proof. Real world fuel economy is not that different than other body on Frame 4X4s. I'd buy it over most of the competition.
My '17 TRD Of Road gets 16-23 depending on what time of year. That winter gas we get in Michigan knocks off almost 2 mpg. Plus, being '6"5, I fit in a 4Runner a lot better than almost any Jeep.
The fuel economy is no where near any other 4x4. Full size pick ups have better fuel economy. I love my 4runner but disappointed they havent done anything about the fuel economy
I want to hear some canadian/hockey humor. "Look here in the back, almost as wide as Carla's ass after a few kids eh.".... "These brakes stop the truck as good as Carey Price stops pucks." "The front end of this thing is about as attractive as Zdeno Chara." 😂😂
Father and son strutting in their colorful plaid! Awesome! Once again, great comparison video guys. You really do compare the two and not simply waste minutes dwelling on the 4Runner's old interior, crawl control, etc and the Jeep's touch screen, etc, a bunch of stuff that most people should already know. It's the driving impressions that are most important imo. Thanks!
@@dbarton8651 me and a buddy were going to change the started on his looked under the .otor no starter we thought it would just take maybe an hour then we found the starter after wait for o rings for the injectors that we could only get a Toyota truck was down a week what fun
We have had our 4xe for about a month now. With short local trips, we have used only 1/8th of a tank of fuel - in 500+ miles. As far as driving, it has really exceeded our expectations. We have a road tripped planned next month - so anxious to see it on an interstate trip using the engine much more. The $7500 rebate in the US for hybrid vehicles makes it a much better buy.
@@brentloftis3746 Yeah sorry to say I've owned and immediately gotten rid of 2 different Jeeps.. they both were complete lemons and I also had a friend spend over $20 G's on his custom wrangler only to have to trade it in due to a problem with the computer and Finally my Mom had a Cherokee that she had for IDK maybe a month... lol so basically what I'm trying to say is fuck Jeep.. give me the Toyota ALL DAY Bitches
@@joshuarobinson4853 the day Toyota brings back the only good looking vehicle they have ever made, the TJ, with removable top and doors, that will be the day ill get a Toyota. so jeep wranglers all day bitches!
Jeeps are still brutal on road for daily driving. I don’t care how much they’ve improved it. I test drove several when I was buying a new vehicle last November. I wanted a Jeep. I like them. After every test drive I walked away laughing at how poor it was was.
You do understand it has a front and rear solid Axel... some people like the rough characteristic of the ride. I own a g wagon and it rides to most people like shit because it’s on a military frame. But I love it.
"Brutal" is a matter of opinion. Not everybody needs or wants a ride on a soundproofed cloud. That's boring for some. It's not like a modern Wrangler is similar to a 50yr old cement truck. My complaint with the Wrangler is the trackbar-utilizing suspension design that is susceptible to death-wobble. Triangulate the upper linkage, Jeep! Eliminate the need for trackbars, while retaining the coils and the solid axles.
Crazy thing about payload capacity is I know people with 4Runners who have almost 800lbs of just armor (steel bumpers on both ends, full steel skids and sliders, etc. Granted, they have now had to put stiffer springs in etc. And for those saying its in KG and it should be something closer to 1500lbs, its not. I own the 2021 pro, the actual payload listed on the sticker is 880 lbs and there is a second sticker saying that because of the setup its reduced by up to 80 lbs. There are some discrepancies between the listed payload and the GVVW and such, which is where you get the 1550lb difference, but the listed payload is indeed that low.
Hi Truck Kings, With the greatest respect, asking which one of these highly specialized, body-on-frame 4X4s is a better 'daily driver' is like asking which mountaineering boot is better as a house slipper. People who can afford these very expensive and purpose-built off-roaders can surely afford a RAV4 Hybrid or Pacifica to do the commuting as well as the shopping runs. Whatever you conclude in Part Two, I would like the same vehicles retested at 350,000 km/200,000 miles.
I believe the 750 number you read on the 4Runner sticker is actually the transmission model number which is A750F! The actual payload capacity should be around 1700 pounds.
Great channel and I appreciate your content. And the work you did with TFL was excellent as well. Also its awesome you and your dad get to team up.. I've noticed over several videos that Steve (and clearly your dad) are not 4Runner fans. I keep hearing adjectives like "tired" a lot. I have owned 4 Wranglers (2 TJs, a JK and a JLU Rubicon). I considered a 4xe but couldn't find a dealer with out mark up, so I bought the JLU Rubicon instead, with the 4 cylinder turbo mild hybrid. That powertrain is amazing and I could get 22 mpg all day long. But I made it about 7 months with the and finally couldn't take how uncomfortable the seating position was, combined with the thin seats. I did a ton of research and this seems to be a very common issue. The lack of adjustability, poor padding, and odd seating position due to the wider transmission tunnel for the 8 speed all work together in a bad way. At least for me and many others. I even tried the Desert Does It seat jackers. I'm 5 11 and 150 pounds so not a large person and usually have an easy time getting comfortable with vehicles. I decided instead of having a $45k vehicle I can't drive for more than 30 minutes, I researched options. I ended up going with a 2020 4Runner TRD Pro. It is hands down a better built vehicle. No one can argue the 4Runner is the vehicle to buy for the latest technology. Or that the mpgs aren't lagging. But the quality of the build combined with the smoothness of the ride, the way the "ancient" transmission and engine work together, and the off-road Fox shocks make it feel like a luxury vehicle. And ask BMW or Mercedes, being the most innovative is a great way to impress a journalist, but doesn't correspond to real world reliability or resale value. No question a Rubicon is the most offwoard worthy vehicle made. And if you can have a 2nd vehicle that you can take the top off, and have that off-road capability that is great. But with that wide transmission tunnel and poor quality seats, along with the wondering steering, and super bumpy ride (even with the longer travel) after more than 30 minutes it can be impressively uncomfortable. Very disappointing. So I'll trade in not having the lastet and greatest tech for quality, comfort, 300k mile reliability and a ridiculous resale value. These are both special vehicles and I would encourage anyone to test drive both. As an everyday vehicle that stil has off-road cred and looks, the 4runenr is tough to beat. This coming from a guy that went JK, Frontier Pro 4x, Titan Pro 4x, 1st Gen Raptor, 2nd Gen Raptor, Rublicon JiU, to 2020 TRD Pro 4runner. Keep up the great work.
I think e-save mode is more for off-roading than highway driving. You want to save the electric power until you get off road so you can take advantage of the added torque when needed for clearing obstacles on trail.
This is how every phev powertrain should be designed, a sandwich motor between the engine and trans that powers the wheels and a secondary one that starts the gas engine. It's so seamless to floor it and get power because the main hybrid motor does NOT start the engine back up, so it just applies full torque to the wheels while the engine starts up, rev matches and then engages.
All manufacturers are “cost conscious”! Toyota just chooses to invest their budgets in what they call QDR. Which stands for Quality, Dependability, Reliability. They put so much effort and money into those 3 things, there isn’t enough left for other things, like safety, fuel economy, tech and comfort toys as well as bling. There are plenty of other vehicles out there to choose from, that offer all those things, but none of them match Toyota’s QDR….
We will look back to today in a few years and say that we were in a golden age of power train choices for Jeep - Pentastar, mild hybrid V6, 4XE , 392 Hemi, and 4 cylinder turbo, with Magneto concept in the wings! If there’s any viable “daily driver” it’s 4xE and the potential to never burn any gas by using it as designed for that purpose. WOW! Of course the Toyota is impeccable except for its single drivetrain option and design age. Looking forward to seeing the new redesign of it in 2022! And don’t buy either of these off roaders if you only drive on the street.
Still not any worst than Ford's hybrid system and small displacement turbo engines in the F-150. I don't see why the Ram can't be a hybrid as long as it has enough power to pull its weight around which the F-150 Powerboost does and does amazingly quick.
@@kybrowns 1550lbs is wrong. Not even tundra has that high of a payload. V8 crewmax tundra is around 1200-1300 lbs. You can’t go by what mags say. You have to go by what the door jam sticker says. Toyotas have very low payload. Now is that real or is that due to Toyota lawyers making it that way, we don’t know.
We've had our '21 4R Off-Road for about a year and a half. The two things I dislike most aboot it is 1) only 5 gears, and 2) fuel economy. You are right about it always dropping a gear, especially on the highway. Doesn't help the fuel economy for sure. The good thing about the trans is, as mentioned by others, it has a bulletproof reputation for reliability. I love Jeeps, but reliability and the overall on-road experience are priorities for me. I would lean toward the Jeep only if I spent a lot more time off road. As it is, the 4R is plenty capable and can be readily modded, all for a good bit less $$ than a Rubicon.
You have to wonder if the manufacturers are assuming most owners will completely ignore the payload ratings and just load the rig however they need to? Four guys in either rig will max it out - or overload it! Really is pretty silly for them to post such low numbers. Although the 4Runner is old school, my guess is that it will be far more reliable that the very advanced and complicated Jeep. Great review guys.
Many people ignore the load ratings (they probably don't even know the purpose of the door sticker, assuming they even notice it). I know I did when I was a young 20-something with my 1995 Mazda B2300.
There low because your testing all off-road versions you get an off-road version payloads gonna drop when you get a more towing focused version you’ll get more payload
@@nicholassmith7048 How is payload measured? I wasn't aware that Manufacturers set these numbers, I thought a regulating agency did it. It would seem Toyota intentionally sets them low for some reason. I just watched whistlindiesel tow 35k in the old Hilux, and it did it kinda easily, albeit dropped to the wheel wells lol.
@@nicholassmith7048 according to another comment, it’s 750 kg, not pounds. Payload is GVWR - curb weight. Toyota lists the 4RUNNER TRD PRO’s GVWR as 6300 lbs and the curb weight as 4750 lbs, giving a payload of 1550 lbs. Given how big of a deal they made about the 4RUNNER’s low payload, you would think they would have corrected their error in the comments.
Reliability aside,Jeeps are just way cooler, 4 runners look like basically every other vehicle on the road, I’ve had a CJ a Jk and now currently a ‘22 JL and love it, they do extremely well holding their value and like most vehicles proper maintenance and upkeep is key, unfortunately people beat the sh#T out of them and do stupid aftermarket swaps without considering how other parts of the vehicle will be negatively affected, thus reliability issues arise and so forth reputation for non-reliability. Enjoy and take care of what you have and don’t be haters .
I owned 2018 TRD PRO. Now own 2021 JLU Rubicon diesel for the last 6 months. Absolutely love the JLURD. Tech is much better, just as comfortable, more capable, much better gas mileage. I was getting around 15 on the 4runner with 33" tires. The JLURD is getting 28mpg on 33's. Almost double.
@@toddmayta7615 Any engine issues with the Jeep? My buddy got one about 4 months ago and it died on the WV highway a few weeks ago. He got it back with a new engine last week. He has a lot of Jeeps but that really tainted them for him he said.
Not impressed with the 4Runner, got stuck with one for a week a few years back when my Tundra was in the shop. The 4Runner is outdated, very sluggish, and very uncomfortable, just about as uncomfortable to drive on the highway as a Wrangler...and the fuel economy is terrible. My 87 Ranger has the spare tire under the bed, the trailer 7 pin receptacle is right at the back bumper....Toyota is just getting pretty horrible in their quality control and build quality....they couldn't come up with another foot of wiring to put the trailer receptacle where it belongs...I thought the build quality on my 08 Tundra was pretty questionable, but I guess they've only gotten worse in the past 13 years, not impressed Toyota. They keep adding nonsense badges to pretend they have capable vehicles...cough...cough TRD RAV4, TRD Corolla...umm yeah, maybe drop the TRD bull crap and start getting back to Toyota quality and engineering instead. Maybe next year they'll offer an offroad Prius.
Agreed 100%, but all the fanboys can say is "The 4Runner is soooo reliable" and nothing else about the vehicle that is good about it, because the truth is, they are poorly made and outdated, especially the interiors.
@@joerod4627 I have one, I wouldn't say it's poorly made, but I would say cheaply constructed. Literally everything I touch in that vehicle feels cheap.
I can see the bias toward the wrangler from the beginning of the video. Also, Toyota only does change anything when its good they do not experiment on the consumer as their loyal customers are expecting reliability. BTW I own a wrangler.
@@kybrowns Canadian site shows max payload of 1165lbs. That’s likely for a base model. 750lbs sounds right for the pro. Tacoma 4 door v6 is just around 1000lbs too. Toyotas are known for very low payload ratings. Just have to look at the sticker and it will show the number, but most people never do.
@@kybrowns I’m sure Pro can take way more easily. It’s just what Toyota rates it at and what sticker they put on the door. This is why they were asking Toyota to clarify why their official payload is so small.
I have a 2020 TRD Pro and just looked at the sticker in my door jam. I’m in the U.S. It says “The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 375kg or 835lbs.” And below that sticker is another one that’s yellow. It states “Caution: Load carrying capacity reduced. Modifications to this vehicle have reduced the original load carrying capacity by 35kg or 77lbs.” I’m a bit shocked it’s this low.
Screw the fuel economy. I own a farm in Mexico and use a 2004 4 Runner.mostly driven on dirt reads.450 k miles never had a single problem. Something Jeep can only dream.
To be fair, both of these could be a bit cheaper; for example, the Wrangler doesn’t need the one touch Sky roof, which is an expensive option. I don’t know TRD Pro pricing but perhaps there’s something similar going on in that 4Runner. That being said, the Sky roof option is $4000 here in the USA, that’s a lot if you don’t really see the value.
I have both and here’s my $.02 Payload on my 2020 SR5 4runner with third row is 1165 lbs. payload on my 2021 JLU Rubicon 3.6 etorque is 850 lbs. highway MPG is a little better on the 4Runner I prefer the feel of the engine and transmission of the 4Runner The Jeep revs much higher in normal acceleration and slightly higher at highway speeds
Jeep should have done their hybrid Wrangler using the diesel engine, would be more economical I think. Many automakers have some sort of diesel engine option somewhere they really need to look into a diesel hybrid, then again the oil companies wouldn't like it if you were getting 600-800 miles to a tank of fuel.
I own a 2022 Wrangler Rubicon 4xe and I also spend extensive time in the 4Runner (TRD offroad and Limited versions0. Both great vehicle and I've been happy with my Jeep so far, but the 4Runner's reliability and cargo space is most likely better than the Jeep. Ride quality in both vehicles is great in my opinion.
i mean to the point, jeep you will repair every couple months 4runner you won't , after a couple of years. jeeps are awesome though, no hate here. I'd take a 4 runner or used Gx 460
I am huge Toyota fan. Toyota made me a fan because GM and FORD sure could not. I have never owned a JEEP and never will. I am amazed at the fuel economy of the 4Runner...I get virtually the same with my Tundra TRD OR SR5. The best I have seen was 13.4 litres per 100 when my truck was new on a.long road trip. Even to work it is 16 to 17. The Tundra I have was cheaper than both these SUVs. The JEEP with the turbo 4 and electric stuff....🙏🙏🙏it is reliable...I am hugely skeptical it will be.
I've loaded my 4Runner with close to 1600 lbs. of payload and drove 2k miles. Couldn't tell any difference whatsoever the entire time, but yay...makes no sense why it's rated so low.
I don’t mind the 5 speed… but it woul be nicer with a v8 option… IF they do end up upgrading I hope they just add the electric… I’d expect the spare tire to disappear in favour of a motor and a little less trunk room for batteries. V6 is plenty if augmented with an electric motor
Great comparison! That payload on the 4Runner is ridiculous. My jaw dropped though when you mentioned the cost, so I had to look it up…it looks like there’s 4Xe Rubicon’s available in Canada for $65k (MSRP), and a base of $62k. So, not cheap, but if not getting every option, keeps it under $70k anyway.
On a very difficult trail, I want a lighter vehicle NOT heavy. Toyota is just fine. Enjoying my 2021 Tacoma TRD 4X4 OFFROAD Premium on the Hydro Line trails here in Canada 🇨🇦. On icy banking roads those heavy vehicles slide into a ditch.....
I would never, ever daily drive a wrangler. You know how people are always like "4R people refuse to accept that its slow and outdated and blah blah..." You'll never get a wrangler owner to admit how uncomfortable the every day ride is.
The Jeep might seem better on paper, but it’s going to be in the shop 20 different times before the 4Runner ever has an issue. I’d love more power and a better power train and a transmission with more than 5 speeds and better gas mileage, but then you lose the reliability of the current 4Runner. After dealing with so many car issues with my Honda Civic, I’ll take the reliability of the 4Runner all day long, and that’s why I’m going to order a brand new 2022 4Runner, before they start changing things for the 2023’s and start having reliability issues.
I find this especially funny because my buddies tacoma crapped out at 60k miles, melted the transmission and alternator and my JLU has only been in for oil. "in the shop 20 different times" is the wildest cope i've ever heard dude 🤣
I’m looking forward for a Jeep Rubicon (or equivalent) that can tow 5000lb and have at least 50 mile electric range for daily commute. On daily use I want it to be all electric, when going on a road trip it would be great to have gas as a backup... still, no good options (and no, hybrid F150 does not really have the electric range)
Thanks for the vid - The 4Runner is in serious need of an update but there is no way in hell I'd take an EV Jeep overlanding and risk experiencing mechanical or electrical issues while cruising through the middle of Death Valley here in SoCAL. It'd be the 392 for me.....
I had a 4runner for 4 years and pulling the sled trailer in the winter and hooking up the trailer lights up under the bumper was annoying. That being said, the 4runner will last forever and not give you a days trouble. Very well built.
Should Toyota bring in a V8 with a timing chain (as opposed to their timing belt V8) or go the diesel route for those who want more towing, more offroad capability or maybe better fuel mileage?
The drivetrain definitely lets the 4Runner down, I have one and I have to say I truly hate that 4 liter V6. Least favorite engine of any vehicle I've ever owned. The power delivery is terrible, it makes its torque too far up in the RPM range. If somebody was going to give me one and I had to choose between the two, would take the Jeep in a heartbeat.
If you bought either of these vehicles as a daily driver, you bought them for the wrong reasons, unless your commute/job requires substantial off-road ability.
@@jaytrock3217 Both these vehicles start at over $50,000, which is on the pricey side for most people. So, unless a person actually needs their off-road capability, then they are just toys/adventure vehicles and not good daily drivers. I have a jeep and a Honda Civic for that reason.
@@nathanm6143 What channel is this? I don't see this as a hyper mileage channel. What is your daily and where do you live? 50k isn't a hell of a lot if you just want one vehicle to be a daily. Don't forget some people live in snow or other bad weather conditions where this would be good. Even if not off-roading. I lived all over the US over the years. This year I never thought I would have a foot of snow in Dallas area. Only thing that were driving on the roads that are not serviced for snow were jeeps, toyotas and other 4x4s. Didn't see any crossover awds out there.
@@jaytrock3217 Look, man, that is why I said "unless your daily commute involves substantial off-road capability" . I added that qualification for the reasons that you just stated. So, my original point still stands: if you bought these as a daily driver, under normal conditions, then they are not great daily drivers. One rides like a rock, and the other sucks gas. Nobody cares about these on the road. They want to know what they are capable of in the snow, mud, mountains.
Wow my side by side has more payload than that toyota! That's useless. .... one thing I'm curious about is testing that 4xe WITHOUT the battery charged...... heavy as hell with a 4 cylinder. ..... what's the difference? Charged or not.. I'm thinking it's a total plug with no battery. I just bought an eco diesel jeep which so far is incredible with great mileage. Just wondering how that 4xe does with the battery dead.. is a good or not?
So the 4xe is not available on the base trims. Typical FCA. Also, the fact the 4Runner is so old school is exactly what i love about it. Yeah the fuel economy sucks but that’s literally my only complaint about the truck.
Driven both vehicles, if you want a comfortable, reliable and capable ride get the Runner! Jeeps are cool but made by Chrysler and aren’t the most reliable
You guys are wrong payload is 1,550 lbs Cmon fellas, it’s one thing to get a spec wrong, but it’s a completely different thing to go on a rant criticize spec when you don’t even have it right.
Just update the powertrain? They did that with Tacoma to trick an epa machine. It did nothing for real world power or efficiency. I owned one two years and if they do something like that with the next 4runner, it will be sad. I like the 4.0
New SUV prices have been through the roof for a 'minute', but I cannot wrap my mind around a $75,000 Jeep Wrangler. Have not owned a Jeep since I had a used XJ Cherokee, which was excellent in all regards, except gas mileage. The quality issues I read about (electrical problems, poor welds, frame corrosion) are what would keep me away from any Chrysler/Jeep product. Last time I read Edmunds owner reviews for the Wrangler, they were all over the place. For new or late model off-road capable (consistently reliable) vehicles, it seems Toyota/Lexus is the only game in town. For a large 'people mover', I might consider a Nissan Armada in order to save a few thousand on the "Toyota Tax" of a Sequoia.
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Thanks for watching folks! Here is part two, where the mud starts flying! Enjoy - ua-cam.com/video/1UpuWACAF5I/v-deo.html
4Runner is one of the most reliable vehicles on the market. It's bullet proof. Real world fuel economy is not that different than other body on Frame 4X4s. I'd buy it over most of the competition.
My '17 TRD Of Road gets 16-23 depending on what time of year. That winter gas we get in Michigan knocks off almost 2 mpg. Plus, being '6"5, I fit in a 4Runner a lot better than almost any Jeep.
The fuel economy is no where near any other 4x4. Full size pick ups have better fuel economy. I love my 4runner but disappointed they havent done anything about the fuel economy
1000%!
Lease a Jeep hybrid, but buy a Toyota 4Runner.
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The math checks out. The hybrid jeeps lease for cheaper than the gas only models
Facts. A 4runner will outlive any Jeep product.
4runner the best!!!
Damn you beat me to it, by like 2 years.
I'm learning quickly..... UA-cam needs more Canadian men in plaid shirts shirts reviewing trucks.
Keep up the good work and honest opinions. 🇨🇦
I want to hear some canadian/hockey humor. "Look here in the back, almost as wide as Carla's ass after a few kids eh.".... "These brakes stop the truck as good as Carey Price stops pucks." "The front end of this thing is about as attractive as Zdeno Chara." 😂😂
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Absolutely love my 2020 4R Pro dinosaur!
Father and son strutting in their colorful plaid! Awesome! Once again, great comparison video guys. You really do compare the two and not simply waste minutes dwelling on the 4Runner's old interior, crawl control, etc and the Jeep's touch screen, etc, a bunch of stuff that most people should already know. It's the driving impressions that are most important imo. Thanks!
We loved the 4Xe and felt the added weight at the bottom from the battery, really improved the stability in city/highway driving! Great comparison!
Absolutely love my 4runners! always have, always will! It's motor and tranny date back to 2003...im ready for the 6th gen!!
The best thing about loving 4Runners is that they usually love you back.
@@rightlanehog3151 😂 agreed! My '98, '08 and '16 have had 0, non maintenance related issues.....not 1 in almost 500k miles between the three of them.
Have you ever had to change the starter on one they were under the intake manifold dont know if Toyota has changed that or not
@@davidcaskey4669 on my '98 that's where it's at for sure. Still original, though showing signs it's on its way out.
@@dbarton8651 me and a buddy were going to change the started on his looked under the .otor no starter we thought it would just take maybe an hour then we found the starter after wait for o rings for the injectors that we could only get a Toyota truck was down a week what fun
We have had our 4xe for about a month now. With short local trips, we have used only 1/8th of a tank of fuel - in 500+ miles. As far as driving, it has really exceeded our expectations. We have a road tripped planned next month - so anxious to see it on an interstate trip using the engine much more. The $7500 rebate in the US for hybrid vehicles makes it a much better buy.
Jeeps quality is shit though so have fun with a hybrid that breaks down in a few years.
@@FitnessGuru91 Not so. This is our 4th Jeep (3rd wrangler) - and no issues. Sorry to hear you have apparently not fared as well.
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Yeah sorry to say I've owned and immediately gotten rid of 2 different Jeeps.. they both were complete lemons and I also had a friend spend over $20 G's on his custom wrangler only to have to trade it in due to a problem with the computer and Finally my Mom had a Cherokee that she had for IDK maybe a month... lol so basically what I'm trying to say is fuck Jeep.. give me the Toyota ALL DAY Bitches
@@joshuarobinson4853 my mom loves her 15 GC. never a problem other than regular maintenance. sorry u had such a bad experience.
@@joshuarobinson4853 the day Toyota brings back the only good looking vehicle they have ever made, the TJ, with removable top and doors, that will be the day ill get a Toyota. so jeep wranglers all day bitches!
I love the videos. Good, honest, reviews. Can’t wait to see the off-road videos. Your property looks like a fun time for anyone with a 4x4
Thanks 👍
Great work guys! You guys keep rolling out videos, some of the hardest working guys on UA-cam!
Toyota all day. Wouldn’t trade my 4runner for anything else.
Jeeps are still brutal on road for daily driving. I don’t care how much they’ve improved it. I test drove several when I was buying a new vehicle last November. I wanted a Jeep. I like them. After every test drive I walked away laughing at how poor it was was.
You do understand it has a front and rear solid Axel... some people like the rough characteristic of the ride. I own a g wagon and it rides to most people like shit because it’s on a military frame. But I love it.
I couldn’t agree more. And you can really feel that weight in the 4xe. It wasn’t pleasant. Reliability = 4Runner / Looks = Jeep
@@HKFIJIHK yeah I get it. For off road they are great. As a daily vehicle, no thanks.
We drove them as well. Ended up with a 4 runner for the longevity and off-road capability.
"Brutal" is a matter of opinion. Not everybody needs or wants a ride on a soundproofed cloud. That's boring for some. It's not like a modern Wrangler is similar to a 50yr old cement truck.
My complaint with the Wrangler is the trackbar-utilizing suspension design that is susceptible to death-wobble.
Triangulate the upper linkage, Jeep! Eliminate the need for trackbars, while retaining the coils and the solid axles.
I dunno, a Chrysler product with that many intricate parts really scares me.
Don't worry the Peugeot partnership will take Fiat Chrysler to a whole new level.
@@rightlanehog3151 a whole new level of crap? because that would sum up the last 15 years of Ram/Dodge/Jeep/Chrysler products.
I'll take the Toyota any day
Poor guy. Sorry for you bad choices. Lol jk
Love Wrangler videos. Love 4Runner videos. Makes a great video.
Crazy thing about payload capacity is I know people with 4Runners who have almost 800lbs of just armor (steel bumpers on both ends, full steel skids and sliders, etc. Granted, they have now had to put stiffer springs in etc. And for those saying its in KG and it should be something closer to 1500lbs, its not. I own the 2021 pro, the actual payload listed on the sticker is 880 lbs and there is a second sticker saying that because of the setup its reduced by up to 80 lbs. There are some discrepancies between the listed payload and the GVVW and such, which is where you get the 1550lb difference, but the listed payload is indeed that low.
Hi Truck Kings, With the greatest respect, asking which one of these highly specialized, body-on-frame 4X4s is a better 'daily driver' is like asking which mountaineering boot is better as a house slipper. People who can afford these very expensive and purpose-built off-roaders can surely afford a RAV4 Hybrid or Pacifica to do the commuting as well as the shopping runs. Whatever you conclude in Part Two, I would like the same vehicles retested at 350,000 km/200,000 miles.
I'm at 350k on my 3rd Gen 4R. Still loving it!
Canadian 4RUNNER has 750 kg payload = 1650 pounds, double the Jeep’s
After complaining nonstop about the poor payload capacity, you think they would have noted their mistake in the comments.
So many great review points that I would never have thought about! Great vid!
Had a 2021 4XE. It was broken for 5 out of the 7 months I had it. Dealer bought it back.
Now have a 4 Runner ORP, flawless.
Amen brother. Jeeps are trash.
I believe the 750 number you read on the 4Runner sticker is actually the transmission model number which is A750F!
The actual payload capacity should be around 1700 pounds.
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Great review as I love seeing father and son working together to make the jeep and forerunner review a most excellent one
Great channel and I appreciate your content. And the work you did with TFL was excellent as well. Also its awesome you and your dad get to team up.. I've noticed over several videos that Steve (and clearly your dad) are not 4Runner fans. I keep hearing adjectives like "tired" a lot. I have owned 4 Wranglers (2 TJs, a JK and a JLU Rubicon). I considered a 4xe but couldn't find a dealer with out mark up, so I bought the JLU Rubicon instead, with the 4 cylinder turbo mild hybrid. That powertrain is amazing and I could get 22 mpg all day long.
But I made it about 7 months with the and finally couldn't take how uncomfortable the seating position was, combined with the thin seats. I did a ton of research and this seems to be a very common issue. The lack of adjustability, poor padding, and odd seating position due to the wider transmission tunnel for the 8 speed all work together in a bad way. At least for me and many others. I even tried the Desert Does It seat jackers. I'm 5 11 and 150 pounds so not a large person and usually have an easy time getting comfortable with vehicles.
I decided instead of having a $45k vehicle I can't drive for more than 30 minutes, I researched options. I ended up going with a 2020 4Runner TRD Pro. It is hands down a better built vehicle. No one can argue the 4Runner is the vehicle to buy for the latest technology. Or that the mpgs aren't lagging. But the quality of the build combined with the smoothness of the ride, the way the "ancient" transmission and engine work together, and the off-road Fox shocks make it feel like a luxury vehicle. And ask BMW or Mercedes, being the most innovative is a great way to impress a journalist, but doesn't correspond to real world reliability or resale value.
No question a Rubicon is the most offwoard worthy vehicle made. And if you can have a 2nd vehicle that you can take the top off, and have that off-road capability that is great. But with that wide transmission tunnel and poor quality seats, along with the wondering steering, and super bumpy ride (even with the longer travel) after more than 30 minutes it can be impressively uncomfortable. Very disappointing. So I'll trade in not having the lastet and greatest tech for quality, comfort, 300k mile reliability and a ridiculous resale value.
These are both special vehicles and I would encourage anyone to test drive both. As an everyday vehicle that stil has off-road cred and looks, the 4runenr is tough to beat. This coming from a guy that went JK, Frontier Pro 4x, Titan Pro 4x, 1st Gen Raptor, 2nd Gen Raptor, Rublicon JiU, to 2020 TRD Pro 4runner.
Keep up the great work.
you guys deserve many more subscribers! keep up the hard work.
Thank you! Will do!
I think e-save mode is more for off-roading than highway driving. You want to save the electric power until you get off road so you can take advantage of the added torque when needed for clearing obstacles on trail.
I have 3.6 e torque Rubicon with 4wd auto transfer case option. It is amazing. Way better than Jk that I had before.
This is how every phev powertrain should be designed, a sandwich motor between the engine and trans that powers the wheels and a secondary one that starts the gas engine. It's so seamless to floor it and get power because the main hybrid motor does NOT start the engine back up, so it just applies full torque to the wheels while the engine starts up, rev matches and then engages.
Great vid
All manufacturers are “cost conscious”! Toyota just chooses to invest their budgets in what they call QDR. Which stands for Quality, Dependability, Reliability. They put so much effort and money into those 3 things, there isn’t enough left for other things, like safety, fuel economy, tech and comfort toys as well as bling. There are plenty of other vehicles out there to choose from, that offer all those things, but none of them match Toyota’s QDR….
We will look back to today in a few years and say that we were in a golden age of power train choices for Jeep - Pentastar, mild hybrid V6, 4XE , 392 Hemi, and 4 cylinder turbo, with Magneto concept in the wings! If there’s any viable “daily driver” it’s 4xE and the potential to never burn any gas by using it as designed for that purpose. WOW! Of course the Toyota is impeccable except for its single drivetrain option and design age. Looking forward to seeing the new redesign of it in 2022! And don’t buy either of these off roaders if you only drive on the street.
And I forgot to mention the new Wrangler diesel!
"redesign in 2022..."
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Here’s a scary thought, with those power numbers on the hybrid, the next 1500 pickup truck could be a 4 cylinder hybrid….
Still not any worst than Ford's hybrid system and small displacement turbo engines in the F-150. I don't see why the Ram can't be a hybrid as long as it has enough power to pull its weight around which the F-150 Powerboost does and does amazingly quick.
@@private6549 oh I agree completely. I will miss the wonderful sounds a V8 makes tho.
Edmunds list 4Runner with a much higher payload. What’s up? I’m confused.
TRD Pro is listed at 1550lb payload. Am I looking at the wrong numbers?
750 KG payload, not 750lbs. 750lbs is only like 4 big dudes.
@@MintStiles In the video he only says pounds. I agree it should be kilograms. But he clearly says pounds.
@@MintStiles 750lbs is what Toyota puts on the pro as the payload. It can be as high as 1165lbs on non pro models.
@@gs98999 1,550lbs is what I’m finding for TRD PRO. Which makes sense.
@@kybrowns 1550lbs is wrong. Not even tundra has that high of a payload. V8 crewmax tundra is around 1200-1300 lbs. You can’t go by what mags say. You have to go by what the door jam sticker says. Toyotas have very low payload. Now is that real or is that due to Toyota lawyers making it that way, we don’t know.
That roll-down back glass is hell for us window tinters 😂
We've had our '21 4R Off-Road for about a year and a half. The two things I dislike most aboot it is 1) only 5 gears, and 2) fuel economy. You are right about it always dropping a gear, especially on the highway. Doesn't help the fuel economy for sure. The good thing about the trans is, as mentioned by others, it has a bulletproof reputation for reliability. I love Jeeps, but reliability and the overall on-road experience are priorities for me. I would lean toward the Jeep only if I spent a lot more time off road. As it is, the 4R is plenty capable and can be readily modded, all for a good bit less $$ than a Rubicon.
It has to drop a gear on the hwy as it only has 5 😂. Love my T4R but it's a gas pig for sure.
You have to wonder if the manufacturers are assuming most owners will completely ignore the payload ratings and just load the rig however they need to? Four guys in either rig will max it out - or overload it! Really is pretty silly for them to post such low numbers. Although the 4Runner is old school, my guess is that it will be far more reliable that the very advanced and complicated Jeep. Great review guys.
Many people ignore the load ratings (they probably don't even know the purpose of the door sticker, assuming they even notice it). I know I did when I was a young 20-something with my 1995 Mazda B2300.
There low because your testing all off-road versions you get an off-road version payloads gonna drop when you get a more towing focused version you’ll get more payload
Yes, but only 750lbs! That's pretty pathetic regardless whether it's an off-road version. It can't be such a one-trick pony.
@@nicholassmith7048 How is payload measured? I wasn't aware that Manufacturers set these numbers, I thought a regulating agency did it. It would seem Toyota intentionally sets them low for some reason. I just watched whistlindiesel tow 35k in the old Hilux, and it did it kinda easily, albeit dropped to the wheel wells lol.
@@nicholassmith7048 according to another comment, it’s 750 kg, not pounds. Payload is GVWR - curb weight. Toyota lists the 4RUNNER TRD PRO’s GVWR as 6300 lbs and the curb weight as 4750 lbs, giving a payload of 1550 lbs. Given how big of a deal they made about the 4RUNNER’s low payload, you would think they would have corrected their error in the comments.
It’ll be cool to see a new 4.3 V6 320 HP, in an 8 speed automatic…!
I’ll be so happy.
Let’s meet here again in 8-10 years and see how that high tech Jeep has held up compared to reliable bullet proof Toyota
Another good comparison
Reliability aside,Jeeps are just way cooler, 4 runners look like basically every other vehicle on the road, I’ve had a CJ a Jk and now currently a ‘22 JL and love it, they do extremely well holding their value and like most vehicles proper maintenance and upkeep is key, unfortunately people beat the sh#T out of them and do stupid aftermarket swaps without considering how other parts of the vehicle will be negatively affected, thus reliability issues arise and so forth reputation for non-reliability. Enjoy and take care of what you have and don’t be haters .
Toyota - after owning a JK, will never own another!
I owned 2018 TRD PRO. Now own 2021 JLU Rubicon diesel for the last 6 months. Absolutely love the JLURD. Tech is much better, just as comfortable, more capable, much better gas mileage. I was getting around 15 on the 4runner with 33" tires. The JLURD is getting 28mpg on 33's. Almost double.
@@toddmayta7615 Any engine issues with the Jeep? My buddy got one about 4 months ago and it died on the WV highway a few weeks ago. He got it back with a new engine last week. He has a lot of Jeeps but that really tainted them for him he said.
@@Rattles02 runs awesome no issues but I've only had it for 7 months. We shall see after 5 or 6 years. So far thrilled with it.
@@toddmayta7615 He got it back last week. The worst part was he sold his '17 Jeep 2 days before! He loves the mileage for sure.
@@Rattles02 I'm getting 28 to 30mpg on highway commutes. Not bad for a rolling brick into the wind lol.
The EV jeep is cute but the 4 runner will last 10x longer and is far more reliable then a cheap jeep product
Not impressed with the 4Runner, got stuck with one for a week a few years back when my Tundra was in the shop. The 4Runner is outdated, very sluggish, and very uncomfortable, just about as uncomfortable to drive on the highway as a Wrangler...and the fuel economy is terrible.
My 87 Ranger has the spare tire under the bed, the trailer 7 pin receptacle is right at the back bumper....Toyota is just getting pretty horrible in their quality control and build quality....they couldn't come up with another foot of wiring to put the trailer receptacle where it belongs...I thought the build quality on my 08 Tundra was pretty questionable, but I guess they've only gotten worse in the past 13 years, not impressed Toyota. They keep adding nonsense badges to pretend they have capable vehicles...cough...cough TRD RAV4, TRD Corolla...umm yeah, maybe drop the TRD bull crap and start getting back to Toyota quality and engineering instead. Maybe next year they'll offer an offroad Prius.
Agreed 100%, but all the fanboys can say is "The 4Runner is soooo reliable" and nothing else about the vehicle that is good about it, because the truth is, they are poorly made and outdated, especially the interiors.
"It's poorly made" yet its one of the most reliable vehicle's out there.......you must be a special kind of stupid.
@@joerod4627 I have one, I wouldn't say it's poorly made, but I would say cheaply constructed. Literally everything I touch in that vehicle feels cheap.
@@joerod4627 it is poorly designed with too much hard plastic, is a better way to say it I think.
@@private6549 Had a jeep then a hummer now a 4 runner. It's significantly better than the 2. Guess it all depends what you drove in the past.
I can see the bias toward the wrangler from the beginning of the video. Also, Toyota only does change anything when its good they do not experiment on the consumer as their loyal customers are expecting reliability. BTW I own a wrangler.
I like how you compare cars. Sub'd.
Just picked up six 80 pound bags of asphalt patch in the back of my 2021 SR5 4 Runner add two 200 pound people., I didn't even feel it.
4:13 so if it has a 1” front lift, then does the previous one ride on the bump stop? Looks like it has maybe 2” of comp before bottoming out.
I’ve got a 2010 SR5 with 1650 of payload… what happened between 2010 and 2020?
The new ones are listed with similar payload. I don’t understand why they are saying it’s so low. I’m confused. Is it listed payload per axle?
@@kybrowns Canadian site shows max payload of 1165lbs. That’s likely for a base model. 750lbs sounds right for the pro. Tacoma 4 door v6 is just around 1000lbs too. Toyotas are known for very low payload ratings. Just have to look at the sticker and it will show the number, but most people never do.
@@gs98999 I think there is error somewhere. TRD pro can’t haul four 200 pound people. It’s listed a little over 1400 pounds on Edmunds.
@@kybrowns I’m sure Pro can take way more easily. It’s just what Toyota rates it at and what sticker they put on the door. This is why they were asking Toyota to clarify why their official payload is so small.
I have a 2020 TRD Pro and just looked at the sticker in my door jam. I’m in the U.S. It says “The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 375kg or 835lbs.” And below that sticker is another one that’s yellow. It states “Caution: Load carrying capacity reduced. Modifications to this vehicle have reduced the original load carrying capacity by 35kg or 77lbs.” I’m a bit shocked it’s this low.
Gotta believe in the long haul.(driving till the wheels fall off) 4Runner all day
And the winner is... The Grand Cherokee Trailhawk! Best overall combo of daily driveability and off road capability.
Screw the fuel economy. I own a farm in Mexico and use a 2004 4 Runner.mostly driven on dirt reads.450 k miles never had a single problem. Something Jeep can only dream.
Now that's real-world. Thanks
To be fair, both of these could be a bit cheaper; for example, the Wrangler doesn’t need the one touch Sky roof, which is an expensive option. I don’t know TRD Pro pricing but perhaps there’s something similar going on in that 4Runner. That being said, the Sky roof option is $4000 here in the USA, that’s a lot if you don’t really see the value.
People don't buy SUV's for their payload...and spent a lot of time talking about incorrect payload # for 4R....???
I have both and here’s my $.02
Payload on my 2020 SR5 4runner with third row is 1165 lbs.
payload on my 2021 JLU Rubicon 3.6 etorque is 850 lbs.
highway MPG is a little better on the 4Runner
I prefer the feel of the engine and transmission of the 4Runner
The Jeep revs much higher in normal acceleration and slightly higher at highway speeds
Jeep should have done their hybrid Wrangler using the diesel engine, would be more economical I think. Many automakers have some sort of diesel engine option somewhere they really need to look into a diesel hybrid, then again the oil companies wouldn't like it if you were getting 600-800 miles to a tank of fuel.
the interior of that Toyota is an eyesore
I own a 2022 Wrangler Rubicon 4xe and I also spend extensive time in the 4Runner (TRD offroad and Limited versions0. Both great vehicle and I've been happy with my Jeep so far, but the 4Runner's reliability and cargo space is most likely better than the Jeep. Ride quality in both vehicles is great in my opinion.
We already know which will outlast the other and have a bigger resale value.
The 4Runner will outlast the Jeep, but in the US the Wrangler has better resale. Although the 4Runner is no slouch in the resale department.
i mean to the point, jeep you will repair every couple months 4runner you won't , after a couple of years. jeeps are awesome though, no hate here. I'd take a 4 runner or used Gx 460
I am huge Toyota fan. Toyota made me a fan because GM and FORD sure could not. I have never owned a JEEP and never will. I am amazed at the fuel economy of the 4Runner...I get virtually the same with my Tundra TRD OR SR5. The best I have seen was 13.4 litres per 100 when my truck was new on a.long road trip. Even to work it is 16 to 17. The Tundra I have was cheaper than both these SUVs. The JEEP with the turbo 4 and electric stuff....🙏🙏🙏it is reliable...I am hugely skeptical it will be.
I've loaded my 4Runner with close to 1600 lbs. of payload and drove 2k miles. Couldn't tell any difference whatsoever the entire time, but yay...makes no sense why it's rated so low.
Someone pointed out that they were reading it in Kilograms, since they're in Canada, so yea, it definitely handles more.
They just read pounds by mistake
The 4Runner will still be on the road when the Jeep is in the junkyard 😂
Toyota 4Runner sales are much higher this year than any other sales in this generation.
Do you ignore that Wrangler and Grand Cherokee outsale 4Runner's sales by far in the US? Greetings from Costa Rica.
@@waltermeono5253 man, I'm just focusing on the 4runner. I wasn't making any comparisons. You came off rude.
@@jasonthach44 Sorry, bud. Greetings from Costa Rica.
I don’t mind the 5 speed… but it woul be nicer with a v8 option… IF they do end up upgrading I hope they just add the electric… I’d expect the spare tire to disappear in favour of a motor and a little less trunk room for batteries. V6 is plenty if augmented with an electric motor
Lexus GX fixes these issues if they are available in your country.
Great comparison! That payload on the 4Runner is ridiculous. My jaw dropped though when you mentioned the cost, so I had to look it up…it looks like there’s 4Xe Rubicon’s available in Canada for $65k (MSRP), and a base of $62k. So, not cheap, but if not getting every option, keeps it under $70k anyway.
That freaked me out too!vI had to look it up, it actually says 1700lbs, which sounds more reasonable.
They mistated the payload on the 4Runner. It's around 1700#
On a very difficult trail, I want a lighter vehicle NOT heavy.
Toyota is just fine.
Enjoying my 2021 Tacoma TRD 4X4 OFFROAD Premium on the Hydro Line trails here in Canada 🇨🇦.
On icy banking roads those heavy vehicles slide into a ditch.....
Toyota is ranked best car company! Need I say more.
I love the 4runner, it still really needs to be upgraded
I think the 2020's will be Toyotas decade or 2. Tundra, Tacoma, 4 runner are all gonna be updated.
What? It's a solid as hell design and the damn things sell like hotcakes.
I would never, ever daily drive a wrangler. You know how people are always like "4R people refuse to accept that its slow and outdated and blah blah..." You'll never get a wrangler owner to admit how uncomfortable the every day ride is.
Great video AS ALWAYS, guys!! Gotta laugh at the payload, for sure... my '05 Chevy Cobalt sedan is rated 40 lbs. higher than the 4xE! 🚗💪
The Jeep might seem better on paper, but it’s going to be in the shop 20 different times before the 4Runner ever has an issue.
I’d love more power and a better power train and a transmission with more than 5 speeds and better gas mileage, but then you lose the reliability of the current 4Runner. After dealing with so many car issues with my Honda Civic, I’ll take the reliability of the 4Runner all day long, and that’s why I’m going to order a brand new 2022 4Runner, before they start changing things for the 2023’s and start having reliability issues.
I find this especially funny because my buddies tacoma crapped out at 60k miles, melted the transmission and alternator and my JLU has only been in for oil. "in the shop 20 different times" is the wildest cope i've ever heard dude 🤣
I’m looking forward for a Jeep Rubicon (or equivalent) that can tow 5000lb and have at least 50 mile electric range for daily commute. On daily use I want it to be all electric, when going on a road trip it would be great to have gas as a backup... still, no good options (and no, hybrid F150 does not really have the electric range)
Thanks for the vid - The 4Runner is in serious need of an update but there is no way in hell I'd take an EV Jeep overlanding and risk experiencing mechanical or electrical issues while cruising through the middle of Death Valley here in SoCAL. It'd be the 392 for me.....
I had a 4runner for 4 years and pulling the sled trailer in the winter and hooking up the trailer lights up under the bumper was annoying. That being said, the 4runner will last forever and not give you a days trouble. Very well built.
I need that Jeep
Should Toyota bring in a V8 with a timing chain (as opposed to their timing belt V8) or go the diesel route for those who want more towing, more offroad capability or maybe better fuel mileage?
A 4.3L V6 with 320HP, 8 speed automatic. It’ll be nice. And the tundra 5.3L V8
The drivetrain definitely lets the 4Runner down, I have one and I have to say I truly hate that 4 liter V6. Least favorite engine of any vehicle I've ever owned. The power delivery is terrible, it makes its torque too far up in the RPM range.
If somebody was going to give me one and I had to choose between the two, would take the Jeep in a heartbeat.
If you don't have a Pedal Commander, you will never like the power......get one and be happy like Me!
RE Payload, And that is why you buy the TRD Off Road 4Runner. Same for the Tacoma. The fox shocks are not worth it.
Agreed.
the non trd pro 4runner has 1400-1700lbs, toyota has serious issues with payload management on trd models
selling my 2014 jeep, and i bought salvage 3rd gen 4runner
If you bought either of these vehicles as a daily driver, you bought them for the wrong reasons, unless your commute/job requires substantial off-road ability.
Maybe not every can afford 2-3 vehicles. I own both a jeep and tacoma. I think the 4runner is the best daily if you could only afford one.
@@jaytrock3217 Both these vehicles start at over $50,000, which is on the pricey side for most people. So, unless a person actually needs their off-road capability, then they are just toys/adventure vehicles and not good daily drivers. I have a jeep and a Honda Civic for that reason.
@@nathanm6143 What channel is this? I don't see this as a hyper mileage channel. What is your daily and where do you live? 50k isn't a hell of a lot if you just want one vehicle to be a daily. Don't forget some people live in snow or other bad weather conditions where this would be good. Even if not off-roading. I lived all over the US over the years. This year I never thought I would have a foot of snow in Dallas area. Only thing that were driving on the roads that are not serviced for snow were jeeps, toyotas and other 4x4s. Didn't see any crossover awds out there.
@@jaytrock3217 Look, man, that is why I said "unless your daily commute involves substantial off-road capability" . I added that qualification for the reasons that you just stated. So, my original point still stands: if you bought these as a daily driver, under normal conditions, then they are not great daily drivers. One rides like a rock, and the other sucks gas. Nobody cares about these on the road. They want to know what they are capable of in the snow, mud, mountains.
@@nathanm6143 Can't even answer where you live and your daily. Pathetic.
See which one decreases more value within five years. I think the 4Runner is hands-down the better rig
Wow my side by side has more payload than that toyota! That's useless. .... one thing I'm curious about is testing that 4xe WITHOUT the battery charged...... heavy as hell with a 4 cylinder. ..... what's the difference? Charged or not.. I'm thinking it's a total plug with no battery. I just bought an eco diesel jeep which so far is incredible with great mileage. Just wondering how that 4xe does with the battery dead.. is a good or not?
We need to spend more time in it to answer that question.
Hey Lets go Green. Electric Jeep . Love it. Oh 70,000 to go green. Ouch !
Toyota -vs- Fiat......here endeth the lesson.
Now they are Stellantis. For better or worse.
Or Toyota vs Peugeot.
4Runner all day long.
You should double check the payload on the 4Runner. 750lbs does not sound correct.
Would take the Toyota....
So the 4xe is not available on the base trims. Typical FCA. Also, the fact the 4Runner is so old school is exactly what i love about it. Yeah the fuel economy sucks but that’s literally my only complaint about the truck.
So two guys and some gear and your pushing the payload limit. Why not just make them two door models?
If Jeep would just stick to like 2 engine only for years. It’ll be much better. They’re always changing it which is a double edge sword.
It took less than a minute to know what you were going to say. How much is Jeep paying you?
Two 300 pound Canadians = payload maxed lol
Driven both vehicles, if you want a comfortable, reliable and capable ride get the Runner! Jeeps are cool but made by Chrysler and aren’t the most reliable
Don't even need to watch this to know the 4Runner is way better for daily driving.
You guys are wrong payload is 1,550 lbs
Cmon fellas, it’s one thing to get a spec wrong, but it’s a completely different thing to go on a rant criticize spec when you don’t even have it right.
We take the payload off the door sticker - so, no - we can't be wrong its a factory number.
Just update the powertrain? They did that with Tacoma to trick an epa machine. It did nothing for real world power or efficiency. I owned one two years and if they do something like that with the next 4runner, it will be sad. I like the 4.0
New SUV prices have been through the roof for a 'minute', but I cannot wrap my mind around a $75,000 Jeep Wrangler.
Have not owned a Jeep since I had a used XJ Cherokee, which was excellent in all regards, except gas mileage. The quality issues I read about (electrical problems, poor welds, frame corrosion) are what would keep me away from any Chrysler/Jeep product. Last time I read Edmunds owner reviews for the Wrangler, they were all over the place.
For new or late model off-road capable (consistently reliable) vehicles, it seems Toyota/Lexus is the only game in town. For a large 'people mover', I might consider a Nissan Armada in order to save a few thousand on the "Toyota Tax" of a Sequoia.