The Jeep won't probably be running and the Toyota's frame will be rusted out and falling apart. It all comes down to loyalty and preference, no vehicle is invincible.
@@yosefortez4009 Toyota's frame issues were sourced from a particular US manufacturer for specific models. 4Runner is built in Japan without the frame that caused those problems. Plus, if you're in the rust belt, get the annual rust proofing and you're good to go. Loyalty and preference are subjective but proper vehicle maintenance and longevity stats are where the numbers should be analyzed.
4Runners and Jeeps are not the same, we all know he hates when someone "talks" bad about the jeep, he is a Jeep guy. He saw the Jeep crashing test and he flipped the F-out, deeply inside he hates 4Runners 🥴. I have a jeep and I have a TRD, I like both but I like to overland better with the 4Runner.
This is a weird video. Kind of expect someone experienced enough to make videos like this to use 4 Lo and the appropriate rear lockers and off road mode. This video plays like a city slicker getting in a Toyota for the first time and trying to off road. Then let’s address the tires and tire pressures. This video says more about the operator than it does that ability of the vehicle.
To not know you have to be in 4low to engage the rear locker in a Toyota is ridiculous. If your gonna do videos like this you need to know the vehicle.
Yeah and people keep mistaking traction control for stability control. You want brake traction control it helps specifically off-road😂 stability control Cuts power yeah that sucks but when they act like traction control is terrible and then you see Land Rover not allowing you to shut it off because it works wonderful then you understand why you don't want to shut it off you want to shut off stability
The 4Runner isn’t saying trust me I got this, it’s saying put me in 4lo and lock my rear locker and then put the mts in mud mode. It would’ve went right through that little bit of mud even with the stock tires.
4Low won't help much in slippery situations. More torque applied to the wheels will make them spin easier. That's good for very steep inclines and rock crawling.
I ll take the 4 runner. That keep will be in the shop in 3 years for major repairs with problems at every or every other year. That Toyota will be good for 15 years/ 200k. With just oil changes. Had 2 Jeep’s. Never again
It amazes me how many people switch from Jeep to Toyota because of reliability issues, but dudes with Wranglers will tell you it's never failed them. They refuse to admit they break constantly. Thank you for your honesty.
@@user-rw2dr5my1s no matter what even with trade in it should hold a decent value till depending on shape and year you could get 30%-40% in todays market
MTS is a terrain specific application of the A-TRAC system. Mud, Sand, Dirt is the only MTS mode available in high range; it allows more wheel spin than the other modes. You can’t lock the diff in high either. Why not put it in 4 low and take advantage of the vehicles off-road tools?
Cause he’s a jeep fanboy. Always tries to make toyotas look bad just like tfl used to do before everybody called them out on it in the comments and now they pretend like they love toyotas just for the views. Why not use the mts atrac rear locker and OF COURSE 4LO!!! Why even review a trd pro if you aren’t going to use its features. Might as well reviewed an sr5. So many reviewers don’t do vehicles justice by using its certain special features in off road comparisons and tests.
This is a serious limitation of Toyota's setup. Needing to use 4 low to lock your rear? WHY? A-TRAC will never be a substitute for a real locker either no matter the situation. It's also a total joke what Toyota thinks is appropriate tires for their top off-road spec. I'm really, really hoping none of this nonsense translates to the new Tundra. That'll be a serious disappointment. But I still can't believe you can't even get a rear locker in a Tundra. Let alone a rear + front as every serious off-road vehicle should have as standard equipment.
@@andyham6094 I went off-road up in Mattawa doing the WMAT trails. When doing one of the black trails, 93 the rear end was scraping a big rock. Then when doing down another big one, I knew body damage will happen now. Luckily my 2021 Tacoma TRD 4X4 OFFROAD Premium was already in 4low. I decided to backup and try a different angle of the massive rock. Selected MTS "rock and dirt" and selected crawl control. The Taco crawled back beautifully. In big mud puddles it performed excellent too. Something the modes don't select the first time but playing with it, it performed flawless. Good tires is a MUST too. BFG KO2 265/75/16 on my Taco.
Doing this in 4 high was a disservice to both, you're in mud, this is why they have 4 low, use it. The systems aren't needed in 4 high because 4 high is for high speed offroading where precision control and super low end torque isn't needed, like actual well defined dirt trails and snow if it's bad enough. I'd rather my vehicle have to be in second gear in 4 low than first in 4 high to get the speed I want
I'd have to add that most Multi-terrain functions only work in 4Lo. I think only mud/sand features work in 4Hi. Also, ATRAC using brake pressure to control wheelspin and transfer power to the wheels with traction, MTS uses a combination of brake pressure and power regulation so that's why you had a slight loss in power. On an incline you should have just used ATRAC on 4Lo and if that doesn't work power-on the rear locker (which you can only do in 4Lo). MTS selection is best on relatively level ground when you're not in an incline and a dead stop.
My wife&I had new 2015 jeeps..nothing but transmission & electrical problems that the dealership could never solve the problems with less than 30k on them, so we traded them in for 4runner off road..35k later..not one issue with either 4runner..never going back!! Been in 2 ft snow storm's, 1.5 feet of water in backwoods..never missed a beat.
Its not about Fiat Crysler. Its all about the driver. I have the Sahara 4xe and my rear differential locks only automatically. I don’t have everything Rubicon has and I have done much crazier things than this Rubicon was barely doing. Plus on this crazy mudy roads only 4L is appropriate
Gotta learn how to use the Atrak system in 4Lo. It would have got you unstuck guaranteed. It’s low speed not flooring it to blast through it. It works amazing.
Both great vehicles for off road but you hit the nail on the head with the tires and driver. Nothing against your diving abilities just the point made makes the difference. Thanks for sharing and God bless yall
The Nitto’s on the 4Runner are the main problem. If both vehicles had the same tires, it would’ve been a much closer result. Tires are a huge factor off road.
I’ve always been a Jeep guy because my family owns a keep dealership. I have always have felt that they were the Kings off-road but I think that Toyotas are as close as you’re going to get to a jeep off-road but the reliability and how long they last without breaking down it’s just in a whole Nother level. If you want something that’s going to be dependable and fun get the Toyota if you have the money to fix your vehicle all day get the jeep. Just my opinion
As someone who works in automotive you stole this paragraph directly from my brain! Lol! I love the look of jeeps but couldn’t fathom signing my life away on one when I could sleep easy knowing a toyota will last forever
My ‘99 4Runner is getting close to 450000 on the odo - motor is still original, just routine maintenance- how many Jeeps can say that?? I rest my case….
4Runner is the easy choice. I have owned both, still own the 4Runner. It’s not only as capable off road as the Wrangler, but it is more dependable and far more comfortable as an everyday vehicle. Oh, and you can haul plenty of cargo in the 4 Runner
You CAN lock the rear diff in 4H in the Rubicon! Once in 4H you have to turn off traction control, then hold down traction control button again for 5 seconds so stabilitrac turns off as well. Then press off road + and it will let you lock rear. I have one so I have researched and tried it, it works!!! Love the videos!!!!!!
if you turn off trc. cntrl. then hold trac. ctrl for 5 seconds then adjust the vehicles clock to am instead of pm. then... roll down passenger window and hold your breath 4 8 seconds...give or take 1 second.. then push break pedal down for 2 seconds then.. hold on phone
Good video. I will say it appeared the attempt at slow speed through the mud and uphill in the 4Runner was a lesson learned as it seemed you matted the Jeep through that section.
They’re literally all terrains, the Jeep having mud tires from the factory gives it a huge advantage in this test. I would like to see these 2 vehicles on the same tires, would make the test much more equal.
Jeep looks great congratulations on the win….I am still buying the Toyota. It just comes down to trust and knowing when I turn the key the Toyota is going to fire up and get me and my family home.
I'm with you on that. Can't beat reliability. I picked up the 2020 4runner adventure. I was going to go with the pro. But I wanna put a small lift like a 3 or 4 inch and some more aggressive tires. Didn't see the point in paying for the pro and lifting it up. The difference between mine and the pro is suspension. I have been to the beach and in 2 wheel drive I got it stuck the put it in 4 wheel drive and got it down to the frame. Put it in crawl control and it got out on its own. It's a peace of mind that I know my wife can take it anywhere and not get stuck. And make it home. Toyota 4Runner was the best choice for us.
No doubt my 2020 4R Pro feels old. But I don’t worry about breaking down. Or waiting for it to do something weird. It’s just what it is. And I love it for that.
@@gptint1 My JL has seen heavy on and off road abuse. Scraping, slamming and rev limiter bouncing. I've had 0 issues. Not even a recall. My buddy bought a tacoma and it lasted half a year of on road commutes before it needed a new battery, new alternator and new transmission. Times have changed a lot in 15 years or so.
Great video! The Nitto Terra Grapplers suck. Agree with you totally at 7:09. Can't wait to replace mine with KO2's. I'll also take them one size up to 275. Thx!
4Runner & land cruiser are the world best suv. There is nothing out there that it will outlast these vehicles. Jeeps are fun to have and unique style makes them fun to drive. But sooooo unreliable.
@@northerntoyota7584 I’m a huge Toyota fan but comments like yours is the reason why Toyota fans have a bad reputation, always acting superior with reliability, reliability and reliability
At around 2:35, you say the 4Runner is in 4 hi, in MTS (sand) mud and the rear diff locked. I have a 2018 4runner TRD Off Road Premium and the owner's manual states that you can only lock the rear diff in low range. Is this correct?
Jeep’s traction control is quite good. I get the idea of turning it off, but I think it would make that situation even easier in 4 high. I use to be impressed with it when I wheeled in the east. The 4XE is a sweet Jeep! Great video!
You hit a good point Steve ... off-roading in a silent vehicle might just be better to see some wildlife as you drive those trails in the woods !!! Great video as always !!!
Stephen, for cottage life and dirt/stone roads, AND long road trips to Florida, what would you take: F150 tremor or other pickup, Ford Expedition, or 4Runner etc?
@@TruckKing One last question - if it were for you, would you go V8 Tremor with all that good old V8 simplicity, or Ecoboost with that torque but with complex turbos. This would possibly be a long term vehicle for us.
Finally the Jeep electric review I was waiting for, I put it off till today. So happy you compared it to the 4 Runner. I think they are a direct competition, but to make things interesting it would be nice to see a Defender against these 2 in a side by side competition...
I bought a New FJ40 in 1983, Toyota put what I would consider street tires on there trucks and SUVs even back then. Same as my 2020 4Runner Venture. I wish Toyota would give you tire options. Would love to see a side by side comparison with the same tires on both vehicles
I’m loving my 4xe!! I’m actually happy that Ford is having so many delays. It forced me to cancel my Bronco Sport reservation and guided me towards the 4xe. I now don’t have to worry about gas for my daily drives (90% of what I’ll be doing) and then still have a badass off-roader for summer! 🥰🥰🥰
@@tylergibson6418 Bronco Sports have been delayed if they’re fully loaded (badlands and all options). This might be related to location as well. The only ones sold on the west coast are either first editions or lower trims with less features (ie. no moonroof). My preorder was only placed in early October, but is constantly being pushed back. Ford keeps dodging my refund request LoL. At least I know that I’ll never invest in a Ford in the future now. 😂
I have a 4runner OffRoad. It's my first truck. I love it. But i can definitely appreciate the jeep. I mean its honestly built for that. Longevity wise, the 4 runner for sure. But The jeep is awesome as well.
Its simple, really. If all you do is off-road and you want the most capable stock vehicle for such activities, go Jeep. If you're buying a daily driver that occasionally goes off road, go Toyota. I would hands down go Toyota but no way I'd be caught dead in that color. Save the money and buy TRD Off-Road, put your own 2" lift and tires, and get a good color.
The gladiator has off-road modes. In 4hi the off road plus button gives sand/Baja mode and in 4lo it gives rock crawling mode. It’s weird and you have to read the manual to really know that. But I can lock my rear diff in 2hi/front diff in 4hi and unlock the sway bar whenever thanks to a simple plug in called a tazer JL mini.
The KO2's are better IMO ... I have the Nittos on my 21 Pro but had KO2s on my 2016 ORP ... Ko2s FTW. All day, every day. The 4R with those tires is a tank.
These tests are all about the tires! If the tires don't grab, you get stuck! Wheels spinning and holding the mud never works. Get some good mudders, and that 4runner will go wherever ya want it to! From this, I'm staying away from the Nittos! On the Rubi E, it's all good until a battery goes bad! Also, I'll stick with the old gas jeep with the open headers, love that music!! Enjoyed it though!
I would ask for tests with the SAME tires. Trying to compare in the mud with tires so different is almost useless. Also, like nearly every test involving a Jeep, if you have to live with the vehicle day to day the Jeep loses all the time. As soon as the Bronco becomes widely available the Jeep becomes even less relevant.
Ive had 5 Wranglers since 1997. Quite a few other vehicles during this time as week including a 4Runner. My current is a 2020 JLUR 3.6 sitting on 37’s. So that shows my bias. However, I love 4Runners as well and might be my next vehicle along side with my Rubi since it’s paid for. Now I have a 2door MINI to put around in and keep miles off my Rubi.
As you said, on paper jeep seems to win the off road race already but we already know, its different story when implemented in the long run. Will the hybrid last longer then a year? A weekend? What'll it cost if there is a "minor" complication?
great video, great cars. but all i saw was a decade old (proven) design with 100 less hp, 200 less torque, shitty tires, all offroad tools shut off, in 4 wheel drive only, and no electric help pretty much went down and back the same trail as Jeep's latest toy - with a little bit more effort. or did everyone see something different?
I’m pretty sure a regular rubicon could do the same. Toyota needs to remodel and update the 4 runner. It’s reliable but they won’t sell good because it’s drivetrain it’s ancient compared to what’s new. With more electric trucks coming soon Jeep will already have some experience with a hybrid set up on the trails. Toyota will lose money if they don’t keep up
@@trenton.tchannel1810 Toyota is a couple of years out from releasing the 6th gen. Chances are, they’ve been working on it for years. 4runners still sell because of their proven reliability, which in part comes from the fact that they’re ancient. With it still being a couple of years away we don’t know much about the drivetrain, but it might as well have a hybrid option.
True, but that is only if you can charge multiple times during that tank. For full tank single charge, it’s more like 360 to 400 (Jeep rates it at 400). Just stating that for those that might mis-interpret your post and think they could get 500-750 on a tank during an overlanding trip. They will not. For normal driving it’s great though, and I did get 520 miles on my last tank!
I’d like to see what the new off-road outback can do on these trails? Can you get one to try out? I personally don’t think it would do so well but would be fun to watch
I had a choice between the 2021 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon fully loaded and the 2021 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon fully loaded. I really liked the Wrangler but when I found out it had a E torque with the Rubber Band generator and the mile long coolant line with a 48 Volts battery , I decided on the Jeep Gladiator. I drove down to my Jeep dealership two weeks later to pickup my free gifts for buying my Gladiator and the Sales Manager said you should be glad you purchased the Gladiator as both 2021 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon are in the shop to replace the E torque in one and th other had a coolant leak in the long hose. Both items are on National Back Order. That could take a month or more!!! The Gladiator is the first pickup I've ever owned and for what it's worth I really enjoy having a bed in the back to fill with lumber, garden supplies and paver stones. Not sure if I heard or read that the Wrangler 3.6 litre is now sold with the regular 3.6 not the E torque! John
@@picodoc8001 yeah I has a little bit of rusting and surface rust but I'm going to take it to get coated and re-done. I managed to pick up an 04 4.0 with 119,000
@@rossgreenzweig I have thought about trying to save it and just break down and spend several thousands to replace, repair, and repaint her underbelly. It is an 05 Rubicon. I used to live in the DC metro area, they used salt as their primary snow removal method. It was my fault for not keeping it rinsed enough. You don't see a lot of TJs on the road. I may be incorrect, but I think the popularity of the Jeep really came about with the JKs. I see a lot of those and JLs on the road. Not sure how long you have had yours, but enjoy your Jeep. Other than a couple years, I have driven Jeeps since 1997 and have had a lot of fun in them.
Working at a jeep dealer 2 out of 7 4XE had the battery replace because of some faulty codes on the display.. after being fix I haven’t seen them back.. overall we still don’t know how realizable they will be.. I know everyone is looking for more gas efficiency but if I had the cash I would be the 6.4L Hemi.. at least for now until the get the electric side down! But the worst engine has to be the 3.0L Diesel engine.. if have one or plan on getting one make sure you get all the warranty possible to cover the powertrain! My personal opinion.. I’m sure not all case are the same.
Bought the 4xe and had nothing but issues with it finally got it off my hands. I do love my Daytona 392, the chargers , challengers, Durango’s and the track hawks are all Chrysler/fiat have to offer.
Then he could've locked front and rear on the Jeep. No contest as to how much better the Jeep is off road. He was basically thrashing the heck out of the yota to get through. Then barely made it up the hill. Jeep said what mud/hill.
@@bellasky83 I've owned both brands. Quality of construction, reliability, and durability are superior on Toyota units. Their off road capabilities are proven globally every day as work vehicles. Wranglers break a lot and are oil leakers. What's up with Jeep's fluids seals?
If you have the 4Runner in 4high with traction control off and gone into that hill with some momentum, there’s no reason for it too have gotten stuck like it did.
In the videos and comments everyone keeps talking about Nittos vs KO2s. But KO2 is a tire, Nitto is a brand. Which Nittos are you running in this video? Are those the Trail Grapplers or Ridge Grapplers?
@Truck King, in the Jeep coming back down the hill & through the mud, you mentioned you might have gotten hung up on a log but I didn't see a log. Did you hear the thump or feel it or do you think the Select Speed in 4lo enabled the locked rear diff? If not, then that could be why the Jeep "paused" on you as only one rear tire was pushing. Also, if it was locked, then perhaps the higher speed or RPM of the locked rear diff coming down that hill cut out to protect itself thus pausing your progress. Either way, the Jeep made it look easier but that was most likely due to the difference in tires. Thanks for doing this awesome content!
Bring back these two exact trucks in 10 years and ask which one you’d want
The Jeep won't probably be running and the Toyota's frame will be rusted out and falling apart. It all comes down to loyalty and preference, no vehicle is invincible.
@@yosefortez4009 Toyota's frame issues were sourced from a particular US manufacturer for specific models. 4Runner is built in Japan without the frame that caused those problems. Plus, if you're in the rust belt, get the annual rust proofing and you're good to go. Loyalty and preference are subjective but proper vehicle maintenance and longevity stats are where the numbers should be analyzed.
I haven't heard of a jeep that has gone 1,000,000 miles.
I own 3 4 runners, 1997, 2004, 2015. Still driving my 1997, it has 325K and counting.
4Runners and Jeeps are not the same, we all know he hates when someone "talks" bad about the jeep, he is a Jeep guy. He saw the Jeep crashing test and he flipped the F-out, deeply inside he hates 4Runners 🥴. I have a jeep and I have a TRD, I like both but I like to overland better with the 4Runner.
This is a weird video. Kind of expect someone experienced enough to make videos like this to use 4 Lo and the appropriate rear lockers and off road mode. This video plays like a city slicker getting in a Toyota for the first time and trying to off road. Then let’s address the tires and tire pressures. This video says more about the operator than it does that ability of the vehicle.
To not know you have to be in 4low to engage the rear locker in a Toyota is ridiculous. If your gonna do videos like this you need to know the vehicle.
Did you notice he went straight for the 4low in the Jeep? Biased much
Yeah I kept playing back the video and couldn’t figure out why he just didn’t go 4LO. 🤷🏻♂️
I got a keep fan boy vibe from him lol
He did/does videos for TFL. He's a good guy. Experienced and fun. May need some music during the videos... NATS + NATS pop... move that stuff along.
You didn’t do your homework on the multi-traction terrain control and how to use them.
Yeah and people keep mistaking traction control for stability control. You want brake traction control it helps specifically off-road😂 stability control Cuts power yeah that sucks but when they act like traction control is terrible and then you see Land Rover not allowing you to shut it off because it works wonderful then you understand why you don't want to shut it off you want to shut off stability
The 4Runner isn’t saying trust me I got this, it’s saying put me in 4lo and lock my rear locker and then put the mts in mud mode. It would’ve went right through that little bit of mud even with the stock tires.
4Low won't help much in slippery situations. More torque applied to the wheels will make them spin easier. That's good for very steep inclines and rock crawling.
A-trac with rear locker is the bomb. It's almost like having front and rear lockers.
Can confirm. I have this year's TRD Pro, I can get through any of these obstacles with ease.
@@offroadkings379 I have a 2018 4runner and I can plus one you with the a Trac and locker. It's almost impossible to get stuck
He left the jeep in 4hi with no lockers and no fancy terrain select modes and it went right up
I ll take the 4 runner. That keep will be in the shop in 3 years for major repairs with problems at every or every other year.
That Toyota will be good for 15 years/ 200k. With just oil changes.
Had 2 Jeep’s. Never again
That 4 runner will go more than 200k miles easily without any major issue
200k is low for the 4runners. Good luck getting that out of a hybrid Jeep
Okay scotty no but for real 4runner will last longer than a jeep any day
Last longer… I don’t know about that. Less maintenance, for sure. The jeep won’t rust out though.
@@jneptune1540 you are in the bottom 1 percent if you think the jeep will last longer than a 4Runner
as an owner of a 2005 4runner with the V8 i am proud to have one.
4Runner off-road , springs, shocks and TKOs. That’s all you need. My last Jeep was in the shop more than it was on the road.
It amazes me how many people switch from Jeep to Toyota because of reliability issues, but dudes with Wranglers will tell you it's never failed them. They refuse to admit they break constantly. Thank you for your honesty.
I’m about to switch from a Jeep to a Toyota. The Jeep had so many issues, I spent more time fixing the issues than actually driving it.
@@user-rw2dr5my1s My dad had a Jeep and it blew a head gasket with just over 100k. He traded it in for a Tacoma. He finally listened to me!
@@jesseashmore8426 never again, everyone told me not to get a Jeep and I didn’t listen, hopefully I can sell my Jeep and get a Toyota soon.
@@user-rw2dr5my1s no matter what even with trade in it should hold a decent value till depending on shape and year you could get 30%-40% in todays market
MTS is a terrain specific application of the A-TRAC system. Mud, Sand, Dirt is the only MTS mode available in high range; it allows more wheel spin than the other modes. You can’t lock the diff in high either. Why not put it in 4 low and take advantage of the vehicles off-road tools?
Cause he’s a jeep fanboy. Always tries to make toyotas look bad just like tfl used to do before everybody called them out on it in the comments and now they pretend like they love toyotas just for the views. Why not use the mts atrac rear locker and OF COURSE 4LO!!! Why even review a trd pro if you aren’t going to use its features. Might as well reviewed an sr5. So many reviewers don’t do vehicles justice by using its certain special features in off road comparisons and tests.
This is a serious limitation of Toyota's setup. Needing to use 4 low to lock your rear? WHY? A-TRAC will never be a substitute for a real locker either no matter the situation. It's also a total joke what Toyota thinks is appropriate tires for their top off-road spec. I'm really, really hoping none of this nonsense translates to the new Tundra. That'll be a serious disappointment. But I still can't believe you can't even get a rear locker in a Tundra. Let alone a rear + front as every serious off-road vehicle should have as standard equipment.
@@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 manual transfer case shifter in Ted's
TRD that is
@@andyham6094 I went off-road up in Mattawa doing the WMAT trails. When doing one of the black trails, 93 the rear end was scraping a big rock. Then when doing down another big one, I knew body damage will happen now. Luckily my 2021 Tacoma TRD 4X4 OFFROAD Premium was already in 4low. I decided to backup and try a different angle of the massive rock. Selected MTS "rock and dirt" and selected crawl control.
The Taco crawled back beautifully.
In big mud puddles it performed excellent too.
Something the modes don't select the first time but playing with it, it performed flawless.
Good tires is a MUST too.
BFG KO2 265/75/16 on my Taco.
Saw a 4xe in the wild for the first time yesterday, the guy driving it knew not much about it, but it was cool to see
Typical of most buyers, unfortunately.
You won’t beat a Jeep off road. I’d take the 4Runner though as a better all round vehicle. Better tires on the 4Runner should do the trick.
Plus the reliability
Jeep weak
@@blackgang1842 yeah I don’t trust anything coming from a Chrysler factory
carlo are you kidding me? take your jeep to moab utah.. every tacoma will be yanking that jeep up every thing.. no wheel base on a jeep.
@@joestewart5692 4 door wrangler has a truck like wheelbase, which in my neck of the woods is bad.
Doing this in 4 high was a disservice to both, you're in mud, this is why they have 4 low, use it. The systems aren't needed in 4 high because 4 high is for high speed offroading where precision control and super low end torque isn't needed, like actual well defined dirt trails and snow if it's bad enough. I'd rather my vehicle have to be in second gear in 4 low than first in 4 high to get the speed I want
Yeah... Them not switching into 4 low at any point didn't make a lot of sense. The biggest factor here was the driver.
I'd have to add that most Multi-terrain functions only work in 4Lo. I think only mud/sand features work in 4Hi. Also, ATRAC using brake pressure to control wheelspin and transfer power to the wheels with traction, MTS uses a combination of brake pressure and power regulation so that's why you had a slight loss in power. On an incline you should have just used ATRAC on 4Lo and if that doesn't work power-on the rear locker (which you can only do in 4Lo). MTS selection is best on relatively level ground when you're not in an incline and a dead stop.
@@chrisguapo69 yeah exactly. But they're reviewers, you think they ever know what they're doing?
@@james2042 Yeah, it was hilariously rediculously, entertaining watching him commenting on how the truck "isn't doing what he want's it to do." LOL!!!
@@chrisguapo69 Like I just wish that in mud/deep snow modes it would auto enable 4 low, like force these reviewers to use the truck right lmao
Really shows the difference in tires.
My wife&I had new 2015 jeeps..nothing but transmission & electrical problems that the dealership could never solve the problems with less than 30k on them, so we traded them in for 4runner off road..35k later..not one issue with either 4runner..never going back!! Been in 2 ft snow storm's, 1.5 feet of water in backwoods..never missed a beat.
I expected the Jeep to kick ass... but.... it’s a Fiat Chrysler ... say no more
Its not about Fiat Crysler. Its all about the driver. I have the Sahara 4xe and my rear differential locks only automatically. I don’t have everything Rubicon has and I have done much crazier things than this Rubicon was barely doing. Plus on this crazy mudy roads only 4L is appropriate
I love both trucks but The big difference between the jeep and the 4 runner is after five years the 4 runner will not of broken down.
In wisconsin the frame will be rusted in half tho. Iv seen my share of tacos break in half on lifts.
Gotta learn how to use the Atrak system in 4Lo. It would have got you unstuck guaranteed. It’s low speed not flooring it to blast through it. It works amazing.
Both great vehicles for off road but you hit the nail on the head with the tires and driver. Nothing against your diving abilities just the point made makes the difference. Thanks for sharing and God bless yall
The Nitto’s on the 4Runner are the main problem. If both vehicles had the same tires, it would’ve been a much closer result. Tires are a huge factor off road.
Agree!
Yes I totally agree. Testing offroad vehicles with different tires doesn't seem right.
That’s true. But they are testing the vehicles how they come, stock.
How close of a result you want? They basically performed the same, the Toyota with better tires and a real driver would've raped the Jeep
@@RagingBad Exactly. That’s what I was trying to say.
This video proves that knowledge and ability on a given subject are not needed to be a UA-cam personality.
Speaking from experience eh?
I’ve always been a Jeep guy because my family owns a keep dealership. I have always have felt that they were the Kings off-road but I think that Toyotas are as close as you’re going to get to a jeep off-road but the reliability and how long they last without breaking down it’s just in a whole Nother level. If you want something that’s going to be dependable and fun get the Toyota if you have the money to fix your vehicle all day get the jeep. Just my opinion
That,s a fact. I been mechanicing all my life.jeeps are short and fun .like a harly..4runner can be used everyday...trouble free.
As someone who works in automotive you stole this paragraph directly from my brain! Lol!
I love the look of jeeps but couldn’t fathom signing my life away on one when I could sleep easy knowing a toyota will last forever
My ‘99 4Runner is getting close to 450000 on the odo - motor is still original, just routine maintenance- how many Jeeps can say that?? I rest my case….
Keep Dealership ?
Try proofreading
Unbelievable
Douche
4Runner is the easy choice. I have owned both, still own the 4Runner. It’s not only as capable off road as the Wrangler, but it is more dependable and far more comfortable as an everyday vehicle.
Oh, and you can haul plenty of cargo in the 4 Runner
True to dat
best reliability.
You CAN lock the rear diff in 4H in the Rubicon! Once in 4H you have to turn off traction control, then hold down traction control button again for 5 seconds so stabilitrac turns off as well. Then press off road + and it will let you lock rear.
I have one so I have researched and tried it, it works!!! Love the videos!!!!!!
No way! You made my day! Thx
if you turn off trc. cntrl. then hold trac. ctrl for 5 seconds then adjust the vehicles clock to am instead of pm. then... roll down passenger window and hold your breath 4 8 seconds...give or take 1 second.. then push break pedal down for 2 seconds then.. hold on phone
@@joestewart5692 🤣🤣🤣
@@joestewart5692 still can't lock the 4runner in 4hi so...
I can lock my rear locker in my Gladiator Mohave with off road plus mode, up to 40 miles per hour.
Why not use the mts atrac rear locker and OF COURSE 4LOW? is this a trd pro or sr5 you are reviewing
Because he wanted the Jeep to look good
4RUNNER owners know this video is suspect
Just traded in my 2019 4runner trd pro for rubicon 4xe. My 4runner felt under powered specially going up hills. Lovin my new rubicon 4xe.
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Good video. I will say it appeared the attempt at slow speed through the mud and uphill in the 4Runner was a lesson learned as it seemed you matted the Jeep through that section.
It’s the “off-road” tires on the 4Runner that sucks. 6:41
I was just about to comment, why are they running this test with different tires??
I like Duratracs
@@tundraspecialops I believe they are just running w/e comes from factory on both vehicles.
They’re literally all terrains, the Jeep having mud tires from the factory gives it a huge advantage in this test. I would like to see these 2 vehicles on the same tires, would make the test much more equal.
@@rocksjoshua agreed
Hearing your giggles when driving the Jeep says it all
Jeep looks great congratulations on the win….I am still buying the Toyota. It just comes down to trust and knowing when I turn the key the Toyota is going to fire up and get me and my family home.
I'm with you on that. Can't beat reliability. I picked up the 2020 4runner adventure. I was going to go with the pro. But I wanna put a small lift like a 3 or 4 inch and some more aggressive tires. Didn't see the point in paying for the pro and lifting it up. The difference between mine and the pro is suspension. I have been to the beach and in 2 wheel drive I got it stuck the put it in 4 wheel drive and got it down to the frame. Put it in crawl control and it got out on its own. It's a peace of mind that I know my wife can take it anywhere and not get stuck. And make it home. Toyota 4Runner was the best choice for us.
There wasn't any "wins" the Runner did the trail as good as the Jeep, this guy just hate Toyotas
No doubt my 2020 4R Pro feels old. But I don’t worry about breaking down. Or waiting for it to do something weird. It’s just what it is. And I love it for that.
That's what no Jeep person wants to talk about is long term durability, all around.
@@gptint1 My JL has seen heavy on and off road abuse. Scraping, slamming and rev limiter bouncing. I've had 0 issues. Not even a recall. My buddy bought a tacoma and it lasted half a year of on road commutes before it needed a new battery, new alternator and new transmission. Times have changed a lot in 15 years or so.
Jeeps have priced themselves out of my range. They aren't reliable enough to spend $60K on.
Well said. I’d say a 10k price difference isn’t much of a side by side comparison.
Just curious as to why you don't use low range and lockers in these tests ?
Great video! The Nitto Terra Grapplers suck. Agree with you totally at 7:09. Can't wait to replace mine with KO2's. I'll also take them one size up to 275. Thx!
What a Jeep fan boy.
A true off-road channel, not many out there. Cheers from Latvia.
Gunned it in the jeep and drove like a Nancy with the Toyota. That’s the difference
That's why I won't subscribe there fan boys
Yeah kinda unfortunate, I like both but he’s definitely a Jeep fan boy, it was a biased video.
As a Canadian expat: I miss a lot about Canada. I do not miss the black flies. Kudos to Dad.
4Runner & land cruiser are the world best suv. There is nothing out there that it will outlast these vehicles.
Jeeps are fun to have and unique style makes them fun to drive. But sooooo unreliable.
I’ll take the Jeep any day. I have a 2 door jeep rubicon 4x4 with 37 tsp supper swampers. There’s no stopping it. It’s a 2019.
Another 5 years and there’ll be lots stopping it 😂
@@northerntoyota7584 LOL!!!! True😂😂😂😂
@@northerntoyota7584 Simple solution, get a new one, leave 5 year old plus vehicles to poor people? 😬🤷♂️
@@northerntoyota7584 I’m a huge Toyota fan but comments like yours is the reason why Toyota fans have a bad reputation, always acting superior with reliability, reliability and reliability
I am glad that I have old truck and old school tech, without all the electrical stuff.
Not going to lie, the second I heard the intro music I thought I mis-clicked a Matt's Off-road Recovery video lol. Great vid!
At around 2:35, you say the 4Runner is in 4 hi, in MTS (sand) mud and the rear diff locked. I have a 2018 4runner TRD Off Road Premium and the owner's manual states that you can only lock the rear diff in low range. Is this correct?
Jeep’s traction control is quite good. I get the idea of turning it off, but I think it would make that situation even easier in 4 high. I use to be impressed with it when I wheeled in the east. The 4XE is a sweet Jeep! Great video!
Picking up my 2020 TRD Pro tomorrow! 😁
You hit a good point Steve ... off-roading in a silent vehicle might just be better to see some wildlife as you drive those trails in the woods !!!
Great video as always !!!
I still feel like wildlife will hear you with all that mud being ran through and water.
Good point!
For me because I live in michigan reliability is my priority so I would pick toyota, but I like the jeep more
Great video. I like the emotions he is showing. What an authentic chunk of a guy.
Stephen, for cottage life and dirt/stone roads, AND long road trips to Florida, what would you take: F150 tremor or other pickup, Ford Expedition, or 4Runner etc?
F-150 Tremor is a great choice. Seriously good off-road and still a smooth-riding quiet on-road truck.
@@TruckKing ...we were thinking that too. Excellent decision sir.
@@TruckKing One last question - if it were for you, would you go V8 Tremor with all that good old V8 simplicity, or Ecoboost with that torque but with complex turbos. This would possibly be a long term vehicle for us.
Had to pause, your excitement is infectious! Love it! 😆 I feel like I’m there with you, because I’m getting excited. Lol 😆
GAY!!
Yay! Thank you!
Are you coming out to the Truck King audience Robert?
Why don't you guys get product specialists give you a demonstration before you shoot these videos or better yet, look through the owner's manual!
Finally the Jeep electric review I was waiting for, I put it off till today. So happy you compared it to the 4 Runner. I think they are a direct competition, but to make things interesting it would be nice to see a Defender against these 2 in a side by side competition...
If you trust that electric jeep you haven’t owned a Chrysler/fiat product in a long time lol
I bought a New FJ40 in 1983, Toyota put what I would consider street tires on there trucks and SUVs even back then. Same as my 2020 4Runner Venture. I wish Toyota would give you tire options. Would love to see a side by side comparison with the same tires on both vehicles
So...which lasts longer? That Jeep or the 4runner?
4RUNNER NO DOUBT!!!
I’m loving my 4xe!! I’m actually happy that Ford is having so many delays. It forced me to cancel my Bronco Sport reservation and guided me towards the 4xe. I now don’t have to worry about gas for my daily drives (90% of what I’ll be doing) and then still have a badass off-roader for summer! 🥰🥰🥰
The Bronco Sport wasn’t delayed whatsoever and is already mass produced. You’re probably talking about the full sized Bronco.
@@tylergibson6418 Bronco Sports have been delayed if they’re fully loaded (badlands and all options). This might be related to location as well. The only ones sold on the west coast are either first editions or lower trims with less features (ie. no moonroof). My preorder was only placed in early October, but is constantly being pushed back. Ford keeps dodging my refund request LoL. At least I know that I’ll never invest in a Ford in the future now. 😂
@@Jonatron503 That’s weird. My wife had no trouble getting a fully optioned badlands at all. Maybe it is location based.
wait for reliability issues to pop up.
I have a 4runner OffRoad. It's my first truck. I love it. But i can definitely appreciate the jeep. I mean its honestly built for that. Longevity wise, the 4 runner for sure. But The jeep is awesome as well.
Its simple, really. If all you do is off-road and you want the most capable stock vehicle for such activities, go Jeep. If you're buying a daily driver that occasionally goes off road, go Toyota. I would hands down go Toyota but no way I'd be caught dead in that color. Save the money and buy TRD Off-Road, put your own 2" lift and tires, and get a good color.
Just don't buy a Jeep period if you want to come back from the trails
Keep smoking that good shit lol
@@yourlame9795 ???
The gladiator has off-road modes. In 4hi the off road plus button gives sand/Baja mode and in 4lo it gives rock crawling mode. It’s weird and you have to read the manual to really know that. But I can lock my rear diff in 2hi/front diff in 4hi and unlock the sway bar whenever thanks to a simple plug in called a tazer JL mini.
why not leave it in 4 low
The KO2's are better IMO ... I have the Nittos on my 21 Pro but had KO2s on my 2016 ORP ... Ko2s FTW. All day, every day. The 4R with those tires is a tank.
Agreed. I have KO2s on my 21 pro and the truck is unstoppable. I've been through four feet of snow acting as a plow for other Runners in our convoy.
You can lock the jeep in the rear in 4H. Traction control off until it beeps and push the button for rear locker
Somehow you guys manage to get to every car wash just before I do. :) Thanks for the vid, guys!
These tests are all about the tires! If the tires don't grab, you get stuck! Wheels spinning and holding the mud never works. Get some good mudders, and that 4runner will go wherever ya want it to! From this, I'm staying away from the Nittos! On the Rubi E, it's all good until a battery goes bad! Also, I'll stick with the old gas jeep with the open headers, love that music!! Enjoyed it though!
I would ask for tests with the SAME tires. Trying to compare in the mud with tires so different is almost useless. Also, like nearly every test involving a Jeep, if you have to live with the vehicle day to day the Jeep loses all the time. As soon as the Bronco becomes widely available the Jeep becomes even less relevant.
I would like to see that test also, but to it is also good to see the vehicles perform how they come from the factory.
Seems like most newer off road vehicles don't let you use the lockers unless you are in 4LO
The Jeep 4XE can come in real handy out there. If the battery catches fire, you could have a nice barbecue.
Ive had 5 Wranglers since 1997. Quite a few other vehicles during this time as week including a 4Runner. My current is a 2020 JLUR 3.6 sitting on 37’s. So that shows my bias. However, I love 4Runners as well and might be my next vehicle along side with my Rubi since it’s paid for. Now I have a 2door MINI to put around in and keep miles off my Rubi.
As you said, on paper jeep seems to win the off road race already but we already know, its different story when implemented in the long run. Will the hybrid last longer then a year? A weekend? What'll it cost if there is a "minor" complication?
great video, great cars. but all i saw was a decade old (proven) design with 100 less hp, 200 less torque, shitty tires, all offroad tools shut off, in 4 wheel drive only, and no electric help pretty much went down and back the same trail as Jeep's latest toy - with a little bit more effort. or did everyone see something different?
I’m pretty sure a regular rubicon could do the same. Toyota needs to remodel and update the 4 runner. It’s reliable but they won’t sell good because it’s drivetrain it’s ancient compared to what’s new. With more electric trucks coming soon Jeep will already have some experience with a hybrid set up on the trails. Toyota will lose money if they don’t keep up
@@trenton.tchannel1810 Toyota is a couple of years out from releasing the 6th gen. Chances are, they’ve been working on it for years. 4runners still sell because of their proven reliability, which in part comes from the fact that they’re ancient. With it still being a couple of years away we don’t know much about the drivetrain, but it might as well have a hybrid option.
@@trenton.tchannel1810 wtf are you talking about dummy, 4Runners sale great
You saw an extremely biased video of a dude that hates anything Toyota
@@trenton.tchannel1810 They sell good every year lol do you live on a different planet ?
I think where the jeep really shines is the 500-750 mile range before fill ups . Thats huge.
True, but that is only if you can charge multiple times during that tank. For full tank single charge, it’s more like 360 to 400 (Jeep rates it at 400). Just stating that for those that might mis-interpret your post and think they could get 500-750 on a tank during an overlanding trip. They will not. For normal driving it’s great though, and I did get 520 miles on my last tank!
5:35 That's exactly what's going on, "you don't know "
Tires, tires, tires.
I’d like to see what the new off-road outback can do on these trails? Can you get one to try out? I personally don’t think it would do so well but would be fun to watch
I own the 2024 Willy’s and we love it and off road totally awesome and a eye lookers lol
Those NIttos are pretty much like highway slicks. K02s on both to truly compare the off-road capability
I had a choice between the 2021 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon fully loaded and the 2021 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon fully loaded. I really liked the Wrangler but when I found out it had a E torque with the Rubber Band generator and the mile long coolant line with a 48 Volts battery , I decided on the Jeep Gladiator. I drove down to my Jeep dealership two weeks later to pickup my free gifts for buying my Gladiator and the Sales Manager said you should be glad you purchased the Gladiator as both 2021 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon are in the shop to replace the E torque in one and th other had a coolant leak in the long hose. Both items are on National Back Order. That could take a month or more!!! The Gladiator is the first pickup I've ever owned and for what it's worth I really enjoy having a bed in the back to fill with lumber, garden supplies and paver stones. Not sure if I heard or read that the Wrangler 3.6 litre is now sold with the regular 3.6 not the E torque! John
Wow, this was really well done. Great video!!
Thank you very much!
These new vehicles are really nice, but ill just stick with my 04 Jeep TJ...a really solid platform 👍🏻
Yeah. I am with you. Unfortunately the rust got my frame and front end; not sure if it is worth saving. But the TJs are awesome.
@@picodoc8001 yeah I has a little bit of rusting and surface rust but I'm going to take it to get coated and re-done. I managed to pick up an 04 4.0 with 119,000
@@picodoc8001 im sure you could save it alot of people are doing it because the TJ is gaining value, what year TJ? Where are you from?
@@rossgreenzweig Yeah. That straight six is great engine, a simple and basic engine that one can easily work on.
@@rossgreenzweig I have thought about trying to save it and just break down and spend several thousands to replace, repair, and repaint her underbelly. It is an 05 Rubicon. I used to live in the DC metro area, they used salt as their primary snow removal method. It was my fault for not keeping it rinsed enough.
You don't see a lot of TJs on the road. I may be incorrect, but I think the popularity of the Jeep really came about with the JKs. I see a lot of those and JLs on the road.
Not sure how long you have had yours, but enjoy your Jeep. Other than a couple years, I have driven Jeeps since 1997 and have had a lot of fun in them.
This is an excellent channel.
Keep
Up the work
Y’all do the best reviews!!! Nobody else is taking their trucks to mud holes!!!
SO HELP ME GOD IF YOU CALL A JEEP A TRUCK IM GOING TO WATCH YOU HAVE INFINITE PAIN
One of the best 4Runner off road videos 👍👍
Thanks 👍
Should of used crawl control when you got stuck. That's what it's made for
Toyota FOREVER !
Working at a jeep dealer 2 out of 7 4XE had the battery replace because of some faulty codes on the display.. after being fix I haven’t seen them back.. overall we still don’t know how realizable they will be.. I know everyone is looking for more gas efficiency but if I had the cash I would be the 6.4L Hemi.. at least for now until the get the electric side down! But the worst engine has to be the 3.0L Diesel engine.. if have one or plan on getting one make sure you get all the warranty possible to cover the powertrain! My personal opinion.. I’m sure not all case are the same.
Bought the 4xe and had nothing but issues with it finally got it off my hands. I do love my Daytona 392, the chargers , challengers, Durango’s and the track hawks are all Chrysler/fiat have to offer.
How did the Jeep get stuck on the way back? I think you missed saying you were in 4 Low in BOTH the 4Runner & Jeep on the way down.
Love this channel he really puts it to the test
How when the vehicles are using completely different tires and tire types??
@@tundraspecialops bro send me a link to where a guy brings a brand new vehicle through these type of trails I’ll gladly watch yhem
I like how u are giving us great details and amazing communication. Keep it up.
Should’ve used 4LO/Rear Locker on the TRD Pro.
Along with ATRAC
Then he could've locked front and rear on the Jeep. No contest as to how much better the Jeep is off road. He was basically thrashing the heck out of the yota to get through. Then barely made it up the hill. Jeep said what mud/hill.
@@bellasky83 I've owned both brands. Quality of construction, reliability, and durability are superior on Toyota units. Their off road capabilities are proven globally every day as work vehicles. Wranglers break a lot and are oil leakers. What's up with Jeep's fluids seals?
Use A track in 4 lo when you get stuck or close to it.
Can you test stock GX460 pls
Looks fun as long as it’s someone else’s 4Runner and not mine!!!! 😮
Longevity is still king and this 4Runner will always be better.
really appreciate if u can test that hybrid mode of the rubicon on those mud. Thanks.
If you have the 4Runner in 4high with traction control off and gone into that hill with some momentum, there’s no reason for it too have gotten stuck like it did.
4Runner all day. I like my vehicles to last more than 50k miles.
Why no low range and locker used in the mud pit?
Needed speed more than torque
4Runner all day!
In the videos and comments everyone keeps talking about Nittos vs KO2s. But KO2 is a tire, Nitto is a brand. Which Nittos are you running in this video? Are those the Trail Grapplers or Ridge Grapplers?
for that kind of mud, try using some good off-road/mud tires
@Truck King, in the Jeep coming back down the hill & through the mud, you mentioned you might have gotten hung up on a log but I didn't see a log. Did you hear the thump or feel it or do you think the Select Speed in 4lo enabled the locked rear diff? If not, then that could be why the Jeep "paused" on you as only one rear tire was pushing. Also, if it was locked, then perhaps the higher speed or RPM of the locked rear diff coming down that hill cut out to protect itself thus pausing your progress. Either way, the Jeep made it look easier but that was most likely due to the difference in tires. Thanks for doing this awesome content!
I think I’d go for the 4Runner.