Greg Doucette: Natural vs Enhanced Training - NO DIFFERENCE?! (MY RESPONSE)
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Also greg used to be a natty powerlifter!
Still watching the video but the important part to me is if someone is honest about their status. If they are open about it, I’m able to filter their advice through that filter.
If someone is lying (though this is super hard to tell normally) that definitely turns me off of their programs, and their channels.
Although everyone’s genetics are different so you shouldn’t expect to look exactly like the influencers with plans , especially as they normally have exceptional genetics , it is important that you know the person’s situation before buying their plan , to not give yourself in realistic expectations and to know if the programs are effective for someone no matter how long they’ve been training
Thanks for not pounding him and actually saying what you think and what you agree with
I appreciate you being natural because as someone who is also natural, I want workout and nutrition advice from someone whose advice actually applies to me. I wasted a lot of time trying routines from guys who were huge and looked like they knew what they were talking about. But then I tried their routines and realized that getting results naturally requires more strategy, time, and careful training/exercise selection. Guys that are juiced don't realize that even though they are working hard, their results are largely from the drugs and they have no business sharing or selling their routines that work for them to guys that aren't juicing also.
"Don't use your natty status as an excuse to be crap" That line from Greg's video was gold I have to admit
Celtic Revival / Adfywiad Celtaidd just like you i guess then 🤷🏻♂️
Celtic Revival / Adfywiad Celtaidd well that just ruined my fucking day
Greg is crap too though. he has no numbers
@@senselessnothing Where can I get these coveted numbers?
inhim7777777 he's on multiple grams yet can't squat anywhere near 600 to depth. He's a standard gym bro that took a few too many drugs.
Scott Hermann is Natural but his neck vains are on steroids
Ok thank you. I swear those veins are unnatural lol.
PTX - Functional Training 😂
Chris Hansen 😂👌🏼
Darkness 😂👌🏼
There is a possibility of a pulmonary and/or heart condition. Jugular distention like that’s is typically a sign of heart congestion. I’m not saying he has right sided heart failure or anything but by the looks of it there is a possibility. He may want to get it checked. When at rest your jugulars should not be distended like that, only during straining or yelling or something along those lines. And looking back at his early videos they weren’t as prominent as they are now so that definitely raises my concern. I truly hope he gets it checked out before something bad comes from it.
It’s a little ironic, sometimes past PED abuse can cause a heart condition like this, wouldn’t that be funny if we found out from this that he has also been on PED’s this whole time!!!!? Hahaha 😂 J/K J/K but seriously I hope he sees this, I’ve tried leaving this comment on a few of his other conditions but nobody saw it.
Only one way to break limits... go Ultra Instinct
#TRUTH
The sayian race is all on juice
Rengar26 what about the asgardian race ?!
Nuh uh
*Plus Ultraaa!!*
Matt C asgardians are nattys
Such a shame how so many people are impatient to sit through a whole video. Very fair and informative critique. I'm a huge fan of your channel and Greg's too. Both with a non BS approach to fitness which sadly isn't prevalent enough
Thanks Patrick. Yeah its very easy to tell who actually watched the video and who just wants attention in the comment section. which is a shame really because there is a lot of great information here
I agree!
@@ScottHermanFitness Just playing Devil's advocate here but you asked us to 'like' your video without even watching it..... Just saying, not trolling, love you :) xx
Patrick please don’t tell me your a thick fuck like this mong as well heres how, he states about Brandon harding promoting steroids now dumb fuck I’ve watched all of Brandon’s videos and when he’s talking about steroids not one single video shows he’s promoting it if any he states how he would recommend people stay away from them and stay natural so explain where you got that from then because id love to see it, i thought brad castleberry was shit in fitness but you make him look absolutely great
@@ScottHermanFitness fuck off
Your entrance was click bait, he never claimed that a natty would get the same results from training as an enhanced person.
His main argument was that people who train natural use the argument "I dont want to overtrain". When in reality most natties aren't getting anywhere near over training, sure some do but a small minority. He wasnt arguing that enhanced and natty can train with the same intensity either, only that natties underestimate what they can actually do. Given his extensive training as both natty and enhanced his advice seems spot on.
@Ze TheGame it does not work like that . If you could just increase the dose with impunity, everyone would be big and you know that it is not. Greg did not mention one detail that would end this discussion. There is a difference only in time. Anyway, 99% of people would not have money for a real steroid cycle anyway
What Za TheGame said. Greg also DID say training is the same for natty and not natty, which is ridiculous. He claims he was natty until not long ago but if he had trained like that he would have gone nowhere. He is so full of it.
He literally said they can train in same programs.
@@LTPottenger He did 40+ shows natural.
@@OldPanther So he claims but obviously he was lying
I'm a lifetime natural also. Here's one other point that will make you're point. I competed in a natural contest with greg 20 yrs ago. Greg blew us away as a natural as well.... He was an amazing natural which is why he critiques the natural community so much
@Pereira Allen hahahaha, that's funny
Pereira Allen he was you can look at his history. Dr Greg was a BEAST as natty
he wasnt natural also at that moment, and if you actually believe he was you are a fucking idiot...
DonPascquale lol jz coz ur a fat lazy fuck and shit genetics doesn’t mean that he was on steroids
DonPascquale its drug tested you idiot
But we love his French toast
It’s wicked good lol
💕
Hes actually a Doctor too. 😂
really good
love that stuff
My fav food, eat it 2-3x a day
I have to stress that Greg was natural for a VERY long time and competed in a large number of bodybuilding and powerlifting events as a natural. And he has been on stuff for a while but not as long as you’d think, he talks about it a lot.
Glad to see this Grace, I've watched Greg for a while and I have heard him talk in detail about this topic in different points of time. Most relevant is the "Calum Von Moger" video where he shares his history of natural and enhanced training
Are you sure he was actually natural or just pretending to be? Somewhere along the line he starting cheating by using PEDs while competing in a tested powerlifting federation. Then he lost all of his records...and credibility.
R Evans I Don’t see why he should lie about how long he was natty.
R Evans I don’t see why he would lie. He is very transparent.
Waxoff Waxon I just don’t see the benefit of lying about this. Perhaps I’m naive but, I think he is telling the truth.
Dang, Greg is getting called out by literally everyone left and right lol
Are you here to? Man you've braked wr for sure lol you are in anime chanels in what ifs chanels in fitness everywhere i mean everywhere
What did you think of my response?
ScottHermanFitness i Love your response bro. Been watching your shit for years. You’re a role model for everyone trying to achieve their goals 💪🏾
@@crispydonutz6589 Thanks man, really appreciate that!
Even Jellal notices, lol
“You don’t win a special price for being natural”
Meanwhile Scott sits there at 35 looking 20
Juan Mikel fr thob
C S Olthof are you dyslexic or wtf lol
He only won life, nothing big
@@qwertziop0 Greg is 44, so what's your point?
thats mostly genetics tho, working out isnt going to prevent your skin from wrinkling
Greg was natty till he was in his 30s and did lots of shows natty and looked amazing so he knows how to train both ways clearly
You really think he wasn’t on ANYTHING? I don’t believe that at all 😂
@@BobRoss-wm3lc who cares what you bealive in
Greg has much more credibility than you do
Bob Ross honestly no one rly asked u to believe him, it’s just the truth believe it or not
Ze TheGame but he did tho😐
Ze TheGame yeah he’s talked about it before. search greg doucette my past and there will be a video. u shouldn’t call people idiots otherwise you’ll look like you do now
This video is pointless considernig all the things Greg himself says regularly:
1. Don't hire a coach because of how they look, but for their knowledge.
2. Openly admits that he isn't natural, but there is plenty of footage from the time when he was - so no need for false expectations.
3. That everyone should max out their natural potential before even considering gear, and that it may well take 10+ years to get there. He made the exact same criticism as you that people certainly do not get to that level with 19.
4. That everyone has different genetic conditions so comparison isn't that useful to begin with.
5. That you need to train every muscle group at least twice a week.
Seems like the opposite of creating false expectations to me. Actually he sets lower expectations as you, his estimate for a good first year was way below 20-30 lbs of muscle.
Yep. He says great genetics is at most 12 lbs of muscle.
@@kevinhedman2314 He's not wrong. People put on a lot of weight in their first year, but not all of it is muscle. It's glycogen, water, and fat. Also beginners tend to not know what bodyfat levels look like, so they don't actually know they've gained a lot of fat. Not to mention the fat that doesn't sit on the surface. This happened to me, I put on 30lbs in my first year and I thought it was all muscle, but after dieting down, half of it was fat. If you understand what a pound of muscle actually looks like you know that Greg is right, 15 lbs is a hell of a lot of muscle. It's enough to make you look jacked to the average person (small to the gym bros though).
Kerspaprog Balceram It’s so annoying how the fitness community lies about how hard it actually is to put on muscle mass. “I put on 30 pounds of muscle in 3 months”. Not even with steroids buddy.
Hahaha this dude is hating and lying on Greg
12lbs is pure muscle, Generally its both fat and muscle and infact more fat in general
last time i was this early i still lost jeff cavalier’s giveaway
lolol
I actually won a giveaway once! I am the chosen one
@@CG-zr7rc I won. And they offered me a program I already purchased. 😔
I don't care about Brandon but I think Greg is right about this one, I got quite a few friends who say that they cant get big because they aren't on roidz or how they are too tall to look buffed and they don't train for shit& give up in month or two of mediocre ( at best) training.
That's why I understand where Greg is coming from and can't even imagine how it is for someone who coaches people for a living, he says he was natural Lifter for 20+ years and 95% of his advice is on point if you ask me.
About the 12-15 being the perfect range, I guess if you go into a longer conversation with him and start adding stuff like reaching platoe ( if that's how you spell it, ot native English speaker) and other variables, he will suggest that you change the workout and find what works out for you ( I think he mentioned something in these lines in one of his older videos).
Anyway, great video as always and hoping to see a colab with him soon!
great comment and no worries about spelling. You spell better than most NATIVE speakers! lol. Yeah in my video I think you can see that I agree with him pretty much on everything except 12 - 15 reps per set is the best for growth. I did that pretty much from 14yrs old to 29yrs. I didnt start seeing growth again until I experimented with combining heavier sets with volume. Fitness is not a one size fits all type of industry. Thanks again for the great input!
@@ScottHermanFitness same here I started to get in 2 heavy day trainings and more 10-20reps for volume or hypertrophy I'm 16 and have high hopes for muscle growth cause of your info and gregs, Jeff nipard and etc
Just because your friends train like shit doesn't mean natty training should mirror the training of a state with abnormal strength and recovery levels
@@ldt2848 Stop making excuses dude go lift instead of UA-cam on the sofa lol
@@ldt2848 and what about friends I got who are training for 5+ years, 5 days a week (similar workouts day to day as well, with maybe some cardio in between or instead of some working day) who got physique on almost Scott's level ( missing that final nutrition part/ maintaining the activity year round because of exams/some other reasons)
SH voice is at 0%
Then he says a word with AR and it goes to 10000000%
I love Scott's vids but I do have to try and hit the volume down on those parts bc it makes my eye twitch lol.
Dont chat about Brandon Harding like that!! Bc in any video he talks about anabolic steroids he always says dont use them! Soo dont give you're subs fake info!
Scott literally shows the card of the video he made where he addresses his issues with Brandon by using text and footage from Brandon. Spoilers: he doesn't always say "don't use them."
Stop trying to give Scott's subs fake info.
Sahtais it's true look what he did to my doctor
Greg did over 40 shows natural lol this response was not needed
stfu he was always on gear
@@DonPascquale whats your problem, he show prove , either he didn't have a big body when he was natural what can you lie about that.
@@DJGoldenWolf he didnt have a big body?? 😂👌 i hope you are joking
@@DonPascquale no, not at all, even now he barely look to be in gear, not comparing when he attempt to 212, but when he was natural dude its a very normal body shape, even im bigger then that, im taller as well but, zero chance to be impressive to say he was on gear, if you think so, so you have a poor image of what you can do natural , sorry
@@DonPascquale lol noob
I don’t think Greg was saying that people on steroids don’t get away with shitty training methods and still make significant progress. He was just saying that the basic principles for training are the same natural or enhanced
Of course the principles are the same but it's disingenuous to claim that a natural lifted should train in the same way as somebody with abnormal levels of strength, recover and MPS.
The basic principles are not the same. You can train your arms once every 5 days for 2 hours straight and make amazing gains, because they recover for a longer period. If you do this arm workout as a natty you're not gaining anymore after 24-48 hours, while having heavy doms which cripple your other workouts. It's a totally different ballgame
maxk880 find me a reputable program with that kind of volume and frequency and I will say you’re right. Yes, people on PEDs can recover better, but when it comes down to it, there are smart ways to train and their are dumb ways and for the most part, a smart way for a natty is very similar (if not identical) to a smart way for someone who is enhanced.
Thought the same.. watched a lot of Gregs vids and was thinking he doesn't really disagree with anything Scott's saying here.
@@catzilla6279 Yea it's all about views. I call you out, you call me out, we all call each other out. Your viewers view my upload my viewers view your upload, we all get together on the weekend and use the money we've made from our UA-cam vids to buy steak.
Hey Scott! I've been a lifetime natty for 14 years and still going strong at 30 years old. Honestly bro it's funny when I'm at the gym and see guys either older or younger just hate on me because my physique looks like I'm juiced lol they never consider the years of hard training, discipline with food intake, good quality sleep can do for the body. My man keep doing what you're doing and know I love how you continue to inspire the younger generation with awesome content!
The main difference is recovery.
A muscle stimulated is a muscle that will going through a process of building to adapt hence muscle growth. Steroids speed this process.
Just because you’re natural doesn’t mean your plan will work better for a natural person. The muscle responds to stimulation, to what extent depends on genetics. I’ve known so many people on cycles, eating right and sleeping and still look like crap. Genes.
Stimulate, feed, rest and repeat and while you’re at it, don’t compare your gains to others, we all respond different.
Simple as that.
You hit the nail on the head bro. Hope more young people come across this comment
Scott is once again lying his eyes out, everyone knows his neck and head are enhanced.
hahaha.. my neck veins.. I think they have a mind of their own...
That hair is definitely enhanced too
I'm for real afraid of Scott's neck veins.
@@mmrea2860 looks like the damn Terminator neck
Scott says he's 35, but looks 22. Then there's guys like Erik Kanevsky who's 22, but looks 35. LMAO 😂😂😂
JB's #1 Nut-hugger LMFAO
45 at least
Im 25 and scott looks 35, if you saw him with me or other 20 year olds youd pick it out 99% of the time. He looks great but lets not pretend
Brandon Harding said in one of his transformation videos that he advises against steroids and called it extremely unhealthy
Which one?
That's one video. Actually watch the video that Scott shows the card for where he talks about Brandon in detail. You just did what Scott asked people not to do: not watching videos but diving head first into the comment section.
Greg: _"You don't win a special prize for being natural."_
Me: But you win some pretty nasty ones for using steroids. (heart disease, sexual dysfunction, etc)
That stuff is overrated anyway 🙄
Exactly
Its' funny to think that Greg can't get it up
Look at all the nattys who liked that comment lol
Same way you dont win a special prize for not being a heroin addict. You just don't wind up fucked up later in life.
I like you and Greg, Scott! Greg did over 40’s shows as a natural athlete! He knows his stuff and has his masters in kinesiology.
Brian Hunter shhh... no one wants to remember that... just focus on the last few years he’s been enhanced.
derick ramdeen😅😅😅
And he is a doctor
Advanced Fatloss, lol🤣
He can be a dick head sometimes, but that doesn’t take away from him being right. What is an example of him contradicting himself, we’re human and not perfect. Maybe you should make some videos.
Scott you really havent watched any of his videos. He never said he hates natural dudes, in fact he has been training natural for most of his carrier...
Love you, man. No disrespect intended. But the expression is use it as a “crutch” - not a clutch. You’re not shifting gears. ;)
As someone whose first language isn't English, I was thinking the same. Thanks.
SCOTT! we have to get you a turtle neck. Those veins are starting to hypnotize me.👀👀👀
😂😂
Superior vena cava
Natural bodybuilding makes you a strong and healthy normal human, not an alien cholesterol time bomb
No one cares about natural bodybuilding
@@ApimpNamedSlickBack663 Your body surely cares in the long run...
Agreed! It's a healthier lifestyle
Don't kid yourself..."natural" bodybuilding isn't a thing when you turn "pro"
DarkAbyss9 not everyone wants to be a pro lol some people do it to look good and benefit
Oh boy this is going to get heated
ENJOY!
Honestly, I love Scott's imput over muscle building but what I would find very interesting would be if Scott would try to collaborate with trainers from other styles of body building such as Strength Training youtubers like Allan Thrall or powerlifters or even chalistetics.
I have great respect how you handled your arguments and kept a solid ground. It truly makes me feel proud to be part of your community.
Most people don’t even realize how many people use steroids these days and it’s these guys on UA-cam saying it’s ok who promote young guys to doing it that makes this problem so bad.
It's a part of the industry you can't "unsee" and it's terrible. So many lies
It's so freaking easy to get them these days as well, it's ridiculous. Trt clinics, online ordering, grey market products. Highschool kids are messing up their hormones before they even fully make it into adulthood because of these tools on Instagram.
Except Greg heavily discourages the use of steroids for the average person. He only took them because he truly reached his natural limit and because he wanted his pro card. He makes that very clear
@@derek_jesio yes, but most young lifters pay "a zeeeeeeero" attention to that part.
Andrew Westmill he makes it super clear. If they pay zeeerrooo attention to that, that’s their own fault
Nobody:
Anrdold: squat till you pass out than when you wake up, squat again.
I love Scott. I love the content. I love his accent ❤️
I credit Scott with 99% of my progress in my first 3 years of lifting and the reason I paid so much attention to Scott is because he often shared he is natural, which allowed me to buy into the possibility that I could be as muscular as him in the future. Natural vs. Non-Natural matters when it comes to buy-in hands down.
I would pay to see a call between Scott and Greg
Scott we need an anti aging video man. You're a literal saiyan
Thank you again Scott for honest content and keeping the industry LEGIT
You sound like you agree almost completely with Dr. Greg. Greg always advises people to train naturally, he trained and competed naturally for decades, he often states that taking steroids is a bad idea, he advises training hard for everyone, he acknowledges that the steroids let you get a lot more out of the training so there is a difference in the results. Honestly, it sounds like you are trying really hard to find something to disagree with but are struggling.
I think YOU are trying to find the drama my friend. I wasn't trying to sugar coat the things I agreed with. In fact, I mentioned several times in the video about what I agreed with as I was stating my opinion. I think you watched the video from a defensive point of view and that may have skewed your thoughts. I wasn't struggling with anything. I believe my points to be valid, and they were not TOO far off from Greg's, but not exact either.
@@ScottHermanFitness I'm not saying your points aren't valid, I'm just saying that you two are pretty damn close in your views and any disagreements weren't really that big. It was a little surprising since I expected a much bigger attack. No defensiveness was intended.
And it would be a pretty cool video if you two were to do some sort of discussion/collaboration.
You should really watch gregg's channel before you make any judgements
Rick Leitz I like both channels but greggs only message is "train harder and don't make excuses" who can argue with that
My guy, Greg was natty as long as you've been alive 😂😂😂😂
@William Grimsby Literally millions of people, pleb. Who tf comments on an 8month old post? Get a hobby.
I enjoy watching both your and greg doucette's videos so this was interesting. I'm hoping greg doucette responds in a video or do something together. Should be a great exposure for both of you guys!
I think we both would have a great chat about this.
@Bradley Puppies that was a good video lol. That guy is a certified pyscho.
Exposure for greg, scott has already much more subscribers.
I’ve been training natural since 1975 and one look at you tells me you got a great natural physique, I’m subscribing, don’t forget the oldies son!
His defense is that he’s been natural longer than enhanced and that’s where he’s referencing his experience. I see both sides, but in reality, a majority of what both of u said works for most, but every principle doesn’t apply for everyone, but majority does.
I honestly thought you were in your mid twenties when I first started following your channel. For 35, you have deceiving looks. like... good job man!
that's the biggest advantage of staying natty imo
I agree. The overstimulation of androgens plus estrogen-inhibiting drugs is unfortunate with the effects on collagen matrix
I watch both of you pretty much all the time, both very knowledgeable and intelligent guys
This was a great video. I like how you're objective and got all the information before commenting. I'm a huge fan of your videos Scott. A fan of Greg too so it's awesome seeing two different points of views. I'm so grateful for UA-cam to learn more about fitness. When I started working out I had to read the muscle mags too lol.
Really appreciate not only the comment, but its clear you watched the entire video before commenting. Thank you my friend. 💪🏻
I don't think they say two different things. I more think Scott misunderstood a lot of what Greg says regarding training.
The only place the disagree is regarding drug use in training...
Scott im seein the improvements in ur arms and traps bro, and i staahhhted doin it as well and im seein sum development already in ma Biceps
thanks man!! yeah the Nuclei Overload Training is working!
yeah lol i was noticing that. his traps are bigger
You mean his ahhms?!
@@ScottHermanFitness How much longer until the follow up video for it?
ScottHermanFitness give a shoutout to team 3D alpha !
"been on juice for so long..."
LOL!
they forgot they are on juice !
So many possible jokes here
Hahaha that roast on Brandon Harding was hilarious
I just hate fake people like that. ZERO integrity pieces of GAHHHBAGE.
@WIND he's well aware of that
ScottHermanFitness I'm surprised that Christian actually let him on the Alphalete team, there's nothing alpha about Brandon. He's stuck up and arrogant.
he's looking pretty good now though, 10x better than before
The eye opener for myself is knowing that I am the same age as Scott and I do not have that physique. I stumbled onto Scotts channel when I was watching his old videos on performing the techniques correctly. I was already in the process of making a change, but it was Scotts videos that made me believe I could attain actual natural gains. I have tried so many crash course exercises, some that left me very injured for weeks. I have to say, I feel safe watching Scotts videos because if I listen correctly, I will not injure myself in the process unless it is my own fault through bad form. I never attempted squats before because I never saw the point in them and I thought they looked strange to me. I reached a point in my life when I decided that I did not want the best shape of my life to be when I was 18 and then just be out of shape forever until it killed me literally. The problem in modern society is that literally everyone has some advice to give about weight loss and building muscle. The even bigger problem is that the people Scott is talking about know most of us do not know any better and that we will most likely try the things we see done and I have to admit I have had some very close calls in the gym, one incident left me unable to walk up the stairs in my house for nearly 3 months because I hurt my leg muscles that bad trying the newest Fad workout on the market. At least here I know the benefits of pushing myself to the point of not getting injured. I absolutely agree with how Scott feels because when I was younger I was willing to believe anything I heard just to not look like myself anymore. And the people he calls out prey on the younger youths that will believe this Gahhhbage. Also, I am a big DBZ fan like Scott so there's that too lol. Thanks for reading this far if you did.
Love that Scott cover these topics and spread the word! He's like the only one who can handle this much controversy. Much support man!!!
Scott Didn't care that Arnold was Enhanced, that proves Greg's point
What
Daniel Saavedra the prize you win for being natty is health, life expectancy, not having boobs growing... yes, fucking boobs!
Watch how you talk about my doctor and cooking coach! Lol.
What do you mean? You watched the entire video?
I was kidding haha, its an inside joke with gregs viewers. He says he is NOT your doctor and everybody proceeds to call him their doctor, relationship coach, chef, depending on what the content of his vid is. Another solid video man!
I think you and athlenX are the few that are actually true nattys. Props
Khoadruple don’t forget chris jones and mike ohearn
Hi scott. i think its great that one is natural since fitness is not only about how strong you are or how good you look, but overall how healthy you are.
Health should be the number 1 reason why you exercise in my opinon
Greg Doucette is the best thing to happen to UA-cam fitness in 2019. His videos are SO entertaining.
Some say if you look up the word "natural" in the dictionary, you'll see Scott Herman 😎
@Logan Waltz hahahahaha
I dont watch gregs channel but you just explained a great deal to me that i have been completely confused about concerning plateaus,five day bro splits,and especially the trainers who take steroids and claim to be natural and leave guys like me wodnerig why im not seeig similar results. Those guys dont realize that for the people who follow them and dont achieve the same results how it screws with us mentally .. Thank you Scott,for being real and telling it like it is.
I am an older lifter who has been in gyms since the 1980's.
I disagree with Greg on training is the same. Bro Splits were started by the guys of the Golden Era. 1960's to 80's Because they figured out that on Drugs, they could do a 3 hour morning workout. Go home eat and sleep, then come back to the gym to hit another body part for 3 hours. They had recovered that quickly. Naturals cannot do that effectively.
This is why almost every bodybuilder in the 1930's -50's did Full body workouts. 3 times a week. The Silver Era guys looked great. Like Leroy Colbert and Marvin Eder.
Second, if you think as a natural you can do just single joint exercises to build muscle, you are sadly mistaken.
You have to do compounds exercises first to build strength, then do your single joint exercises.
Guys on drugs can build muscle quickly doing single joint exercises. Because they are over the top enhanced. Any exercise they do will build muscle.
@FBJ...great comment!
@@johnj9267 Thanks Man, some things are defenately different. Yes, everyone has to work hard. 💪🏾
The only difference between enhanced and natural training might be the frequency but the routines and exercise selection is the same. I'm natural and I out train many juice guys at my gym.
You take care of your fans bro, keep it up! One and only
Let’s state some facts Scott:
1) Greg NEVER promote steroids...as a matter of fact he advices against it. So as a consequence, he IS promoting natty.
2) People don’t care if you’re natty or not WHEN YOU COMPETE professionally Scott! I don’t mean the little natty league. I mean Mr Olympia league.
3) Ofcourse Greg sees a difference between natty and enhanced...how many videos have you watched? He DOES not want you to be like him, he wants you to be yourself!
4) Your idol was Arnold, and he was ENHANCED. Greg prove a point there too.
Anyways, good try Scott...keep up the good work mate.
I've watched many of Greg's videos, and I'm always amazed at those who criticize him conveniently forget to mention the two decades he trained and competed naturally. Second, I see many that have YT channels that regularly talk about being natural, which there is no way to prove they've always been natural, so why keep talking about it? Third, anyone whose been a trainer for many years has likely trained countless guys on drugs as well as numerous guys that are natural, so anyone with half a brain can do an excellent job with both natural or not.
This indistury needs people like you. Keep making these honest videos,we love you and people, keep making these natty,healty,goodlooking gains.
You realize you're both saying the same thing. He's saying a natural needs to train harder and so are you... but good clickbait
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FAN OF the hilarious GREG AND LOVING. THIS TERRIFIC ROAST !!! 😄😂🤣😅 SOOOOO GOOOD !!!
GREG VS THE WORLD
MY DOCTOR IS GOING PLACES
I was not aware that many of these guys doing videos are on steroids! A real eye-opener. Thanks Scott, confirmation I am to keep watching your videos! And keep natural!
natural limit after 2 years of lifting at 19 LOL funniest shift ive heard all day. " oh im slightly muscular now, I cant get any bigger naturally, better hop on gear.'
Logan Waltz you can't hit your natural limit within 2 years. Greg doucette was natty from 10 (when he started lifting) all the way to 33. that's when he hit his limit. most of the classic/men's physique competitors started juicing in their teams before they hit there natty limit. this is def the case with Harding. hopping on gear Likley accelerated the progress they would have made naturally and than allowed them to go beyond. it takes a long time to hit your natty limit due to the law of diminishing returns your first year lifting you might gain 20 pounds of muscle, than 15 than 5 than 2 than 1 so although the years beyond 5 make negligible gains over time they still accumulate if that makes sense.
While you dont get a prize, you do get to minimize some of those negative health aspects associated with being enhanced. And you get the satisfaction of knowing that you did your best to hit your potential.
1) In every Brandon Harding video I’ve seen he says he doesn’t promote steroid usage. 2) you should train just as hard whether you are natural or enhanced.
It's true. Many people don't know shit about true intensity or will power. They just go through the motions.
The other day I did EIGHT sets of squats. A heavy 3x5, 2 sec pause squats for 3x8, and then 2x10 speed squats. Then I did max hill sprints on the treadmill after.
1) I was 38hrs fasted
2) I am turning 39 at the end of Dec. So like Scott have been an athlete my whole life and am still able to train like I did when I was 20. :)
But man Greg was natural for almost as long as u or even longer before hopping on gear so u can’t take away his credibility to train naturals
What age did he start taking roids
Gary Flores about five years ago.
Waxoff Waxon that makes no sense, if you’re admitting your on steroids why would the time scale make any difference.
Dude it obviously matters cus he has spent most of his career in bodybuilding as a natural. It’s not like once u hop on gear u r no longer credible for anything u know while being natural for many many years.
Greg said he started in his early 30s or something like that. So he’s been on them probably 10-12 years now
Thanks, Scott. You are awesome!!
Scott, Greg did 43 shows natural before he elected to be enhanced. Just saying
James Martin that’s what i was thinking and him natural was way bigger than Scott LOL
@@IMABUZ I absolutely agree. No disrespect to Scott, but his appraisal was, at the least, misinformed. Too many people think that steroids are the "magic". They help, a lot, but you have to have good genetics as a base, to get as good as Greg. :)
What does Greg competing natural have anything to do with his skewed perception that naturals and enhanced people can train the same?
the best part about these videos is that I can watch any minute independent of the context and still agree with the logic Scott brings. Great Vid!
SCOTT MY DUDE
THOSE NECK VEINS
Good video Scott. I also follow Greg and appreciate his no bs approach. Regarding breaking through plateaus, there is a catch that I see nobody mentions. So, I have been training for 28 years now (started at 16, now 44), and reaching your peak or plateau is normal and the thing that nobody mentions is the fact that eventually you are going to get to a plateau that you just cannot break no matter how you modify your training, food intake or sleep. So just saying there is a certain natural limit for everyone. This natural limit usually coincides with your natural peak production of testosterone and other anabolic hormones in your body which is around late 20s or early 30s (everyone is different). So when you reach this plateau, you can do nothing about it. From then and onwards your strenght will gradually diminish with time because of the lower production of natural anabolic hormones (this is of course with the presumption that your training, diet and rest are on point). And all channels seem to propagate the idea that if you just do this or that (tweaks on training or diet) you can break through. I also do get the value of these videos because most people do not have a well structured training program, diet or recovery. Just my 2 cents.
@Based EyeCel sure
Isn’t the point of exercising to be healthier /stronger/ feel alive isn’t roofs counter intuitive
@darryl...sad we have to even ask :)
Excercising is for health. Bodybuilding is for looks. Don’t get it confused like 99% of people
You could live a natty life and feel like shit and die at 90 or you could live an enhaced life, feel great about your self and die happy at 65. To each his own.
@Jabb Throne Who cares if they live a shorter life, they know they possibly could and have accepted that risk for the chance to have a life they want.
Great work Scott. I've been watching your videos about a year. I have to say I had alot of improvements in my workouts and visible gains. Just want to thank you.
when Greg said ”no one cares youre natural” I said ”yes I do”
Still like him tho, cant agree on everything \_[-_-]_/
Right? Your family and friends CERTAINLY care if you're natural!
@Isla...That's the "pro bodybuilding mentality"
do br how is steroids cheating that literally makes no sense, pretty much every pro bodybuilder is on them
I guess I’m the odd man out. My family is happy that I’ve been on them. After 4 botched surgeries, heart failure, kidney failure, liver failure, ruptured spleen , ruptured appendix, collapsed lung, having roughly 75-80% of my intestines removed, and last but not least not being capable of producing testosterone because of damaged testicles due to radiation poisoning I will say for sure steroids have only helped me!
No more antidepressants, no more erectile dysfunction medication (at only 27 years of age), no more waiting 4+years for an incision site to finally close up meaning no more colostomy bag or needing to serilize the incision site and no more using medical tape on my abs to hold them shut to to be able to go to the gym, I’m finally free thanks to testosterone therapy.
And if any of you have ever needed to take daily oral iron medication especially with bowel issues it can destroy your life pretty much because of the the havoc it can wreak on your gut.
Luckily I’m also prescribed Deca, and obviously testosterone. Those steroids have actually given my life back to me and not taken it from me.
Unfortunately people don’t know the difference between properly using a drug(s) for its intended therapeutic use and abuse, all thanks to the guys in the fitness industry that are on the exact opposite end of the spectrum as the drug abusers.
I’m not saying Scott purposely is choosing to not to understand that use and abuse are two completely different things, but saying somebody is a “tool bag” because they promote the use of steroids (which he doesn’t) is choosing to neglect what steroids were made for. I hope Scott sees this and understands that steroids aren’t the enemy unless you make them the enemy, and they don’t need to hurt you unless you abuse them.
Please make a video about that.
Saw a 20 year old kid today at gym. Clearly on steroids..zits all over back and lifting average weights. I wish he was influenced by someone like Scott Herman. Instead he probably watches videos from people like Larry Wheels or other gear heads. I saw myself in this kid, because all I wanted was gains at age 20..luckily I had a strong distaste for P.E.Ds
Myself at age 33....lifting heavier weight then in my 20s...never thought of taking gear. I'll be lifting until my old age, because of the knowledge I've learned from people like ScottHerman and athleanx. The strength I gain; is 100% because of my hardwork
Nuclei overload training is definitely paying off, Scott! Traps and bi's looking BEEFED
True but you realise that it doesn't actually increase the satellite cells and nuclei until you take a week off subsequent to doing a 4 week or x week cycle to which the bist then increases mtoa to which you increase your potentially genetically in said area
Absolutely nailed it Scott and I couldn’t agree more. I’ve no issue with steroid users and I actually dislike when people put down those on steroids as if it took no effort at all to achieve the physique they have. The problem is when people claim natural to sell a product or workout plan and put across that people can look like that by JUST doing that and without any drugs
You realise greg competed natural longer then youve been in the gym
I LOVE BOTH YOU AND GREG! I am a natural lifter, but I watch both of you and use my brain to take away what I need from each video.
Greg know's his stuff. He's educated and he doesn't sugarcoat anything.
Full respect to you Scotty boy for resisting the urge to pin, going to the gym should all be about having a healthy lifestyle, not injecting your body with hormones and becoming a drug junkie.
Greg is losing credibility with that "im always right" mind set. Hes very smart but doesn't know everything and needs to humble himself.
Michael Tunney I hope that’s a joke lol. Medical Doctors don’t know anything about bodybuilding or nutrition.
@@SIIKAP1 watch any of Greg's videos and you'll get it
Vincrie i’ve been watching his videos lately. Guess people give him shit for not being a medical doctor?
@@SIIKAP1 You clearly haven't watched close enough. He starts every video with 'I'm not a doctor'. It was a joke.
Edgarallenpoboywithfries clearly not in the videos I watched. I also don’t watch the entirety of every video.
I've never heard of Greg before this video but he sounds exactly like Steve Carell
You’ve been training for twenty-five years, so where is your 67-84lbs. Of muscle?
I’m a massive Greg Doucette fanboy and came over here to watch this young pretty boy talk out of his arse and embarrass himself....instead I found myself really enjoying this vid and subbed. Very good and even handed vid Scott, I look forward to checking out more of your stuff 👍💪
Answer: There is a big difference in training naturally vs enhanced.
I train the same way now on TRT than I did 10 years ago. The only change is that i build muscle at a higher rate now than I did 10 years ago.
@Erick-Emil Szelitzky my point was you can get the same if not better results being enhanced than someone natural with less effort
@@BadBoiFX You still need to train with enough effort to stimulate growth. If you don't, it doesnt matter if your enhanced or not. Train intense, eat good food, everything else will fall into place.
@@Aspengc879 You don't have to tell a man on steroids how it is to train on steroids lol, you're clueless, quit acting smart
@@BadBoiFX I'm not telling anyone *how* to train, I'm just stating the obvious. Effort needs to be high regardless. You can't train half-assed and see results even on gear.
Scott you are a real motivation for me.
I love both you and Greg, but I gotta give this one to you, Scott. Greg says that there's no difference in training between natural vs. enhanced athletes, but he's wrong. Unnatural athletes can get away with basically doing 'fluff & puff' exercises and could STILL make crazy gains and STILL manage to PR in every workout w/o the need of progressive overloading, metabolic stress and mechanical tension (like you said). This is not the case with natural athletes because after your nooby gains, the body needs something different in order to grow. You can't just be doing the same exercises with the same reps, sets, and weight after your first 2 years or so, while being natural and still manage to grow. Sadly, that is not possible for us natural athletes.
That being said, nutrition also changes and it changes a lot between enhanced and natural athletes. Unnatural athletes can get away with eating SO MUCH more junk because the diuretics and steroids will help prevent you from gaining little to no fat at all. For diuretics, it is easier to understand because they help you burn fat quickly, easier and more effective (ex: GHG and Clenbuterol). But, for some reason, people get confused with anabolic steroids (Trenbolone, DBol and Anavar) because they're supposed to just help build muscle, right? Well, yes, but people forget that the more muscle you have, then the more you can get away w/ eating more calories w/o gaining excess fat because just by having more muscle in comparison to fat helps you burn more calories (it is way more complicated than this, but this is just to simplify it for whoever is reading). For example: 220 lb guy who's 10% body fat can eat 4,000 calories and still gain less fat than a 220 lb guy who's 25% body fat and who's eating only 2,500 calories. This is the exact same reason I think certain UA-camrs who claim to have 'amazing' genetics and an 'amazing' metabolism and their maintenance is like 6,000 calories and eat junk all of the time (*cough* MattDoesFitness *cough*) are on some type of PEDs.
TL;DR: Scott is right on this one. Also, enhanced athletes have a better edge and have it way 'easier' in terms of training & nutrition.
Source: I've been training naturally for 3 years now (23 y/o) and I have managed to build a decent physique for being natural with just average genetics (because of hard work and educating myself w/ channels like Scott's), that even some enhanced people would dream to have.
Edit: Sorry, if I made any grammatical errors. English is like my 3rd language, so not a native speaker. Hope you understand. (:
I think your comment was very well said and for a third language, you wrote better than most English speaking people I know. Thank you so much for the input on the video. I really enjoyed reading your response. Sounds like you have done a lot of research and experimenting with your own training as well.
@@ScottHermanFitness Thanks for the heart (and the compliment on my grammar:) I really do appreciate all of the hard work you put in into making these types of videos. You're going to inspire me to create my very own Fitness channel and share my experience and journey w/ all the obstacles/plateaus I've had to overcome while being natural. Thanks for always being transparent! And, keep making those gaiiiiinssss!!!
Let’s stay natural 💪💪💪💪
Greg was fined over 50k in 2014 and ran into law problems again in 2018 for possessing, smuggling, importing, trafficking and distributing anabolic steroids.
He loves them roids
U should be proud of being natural!
Let’s be honest here, your just the same as Kenny ko
no kap
Burn!!! 🔥🔥🔥😂
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