Michael Kruger (Session 1): What Do We Do with the Gospel of Thomas?
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2017
- Disclaimer: we had technical difficulties recording the audio for session 1. The audio quality of the other two sessions are much better. We apologize for any inconvenience, though we believe the quality is still audible and useful.
Dr. Michael J Kruger is the President of Reformed Theological Seminary in Charlotte
Recorded at Christ Community Church in Wilmington, NC on October 6, 2017. Filmed by Philip Varvaris.
Thank you for putting the sessions together. Praise be unto God!
Thank you Michael for using you research and intellect, with integrity, to educate us all. I dearly love our Lord Jesus and appreciate your input. May the Lord watch over you. This information is invaluable.
This Is Amazing, Thank You So Much For This Video. It Is Truly A Blessing.
Kruger has some good stuff
Funny arguing about ancient religious text there'll probably never be no definitive answer,read the text and definitely different, but some ties and some seems mystical.ill just try for the main staples, shed my vice and sin ,love god above all else join in the harvest work and have faith that Jesus's will skip my judgement to eternity and just enjoy living and learning the creators love and wisdom .then I can ask about thomas
Were there notes or handouts that Dr. Kruger provided for these sessions?
Answer : Have nothing to do with it.
Reject it. Along with all other alexandrian texts from the vatican
The dating of the Gospel of Thomas has not been established.
@Stuart Herrmann
Of course it was. Do your research before you write something.
@@luboshcamber1992 I am referring to when the Gospel of Thomas was originally written, not just the Nag Hammadi copy. Recall the Oxyrhynchus papyri dated to 1st century by some.
@@stuartherrmann228
No, those are wishful ramblings. I see the tactics there. We don't have any proof whatsoever, but it is estimated "by some"... Hogwash my friend. Hogwash
@@luboshcamber1992 Like It or not the dating of the Gospel of Thomas has not been agreed upon by scholars.
@@stuartherrmann228
Like it or not, 99+ % of things is not agreed by "scholars". So what?
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The unspoken message of this presentation reveals the bias that consensus view preaching to a congregation can generate. Whether or not the Gospel of Thomas is a more accurate rendering of the intent of the character of Jesus, it is critical that modern pastors be consistent with the existing canons and dogmas to prevent anarchy from encroaching into day-to-day aspects of christianity. It is a group thought management problem. Right or wrong, stick to the current message. The truths contained in the Gospel of Thomas are generally not discussed or disputed by those who understand. As always, the truth that can be written is not the truth. Silence is golden, these words notwithstanding.
What year was gospel of Thomas written
@@eagleclaw1179 in most cases I have heard theologians tell me that the Gospel of Thomas is written around 200 AD some put it a little earlier.
@@TempleofChristMinistries
You do know that no scholar considers Thomas to be written by Thomas right? Meaning no scholar considers it to be scripture. It’s referred to as a gnostic gospel, it has nothing in common with anything the actual apostles wrote.
Historically Thomas was rejected as scripture and no Christian considered it as such. There is zero historical evidence that Thomas is even quoting Jesus..
@@eagleclaw1179 yes of course, I know that many Christians do not consider it but there are those who do, but I found the ones who do not consider it do not even understand it, I know many theologians who even think the trinity is true it is not, there is much in the Christ believeing world that is common error, and most theologians in this world are but mere babes suckling on Mother's breast.
@@TempleofChristMinistries
It doesn’t matter what some “theologian” believes, that has no bearing on what I believe. That’s like saying because some ppl believe in aliens, then aliens are true 🤦♂️
The question is does the scripture teach the nature of God? The answer to that is yes. You can disagree with it all you want, doesn’t change the fact that it does
The gospel of thomas is the true Q source, upon which others built their testimonies. Just read it and decide for yourself.
The only reason, why the gospel was not included in the current form of the scripture is quite obvious: it clearly states, that James the Just was appointed as the heir of the christian movement by the living Jesus himself, not Peter. Power instead of faith, corruption and hypocricy - that, is what the modern church is based on.
The kingdom of God is within you, knock on the sky and listen to the sound.
Really? It’s within each one us? I’ve read this kind of talk in the Gnostics writings… weird.
@@JoshuaMSOG7 yeah the gospel of Thomas has some really........ interesting text in it. It’s pretty much a short gnostic version of the Gospel
Where in the 4 Canonical Gospels does it say Peter was approved and appointed as leader of the movement?
Your argument point is based on a false premise of power dictating the selection of Scripture from a document that comes from the 2nd Century.
@@Tanjaicholan To your first point, there are numerous examples of this across the NT: Feed My Sheep (John 21:15-17) or Peter's Confession of Christ (Matthew 16:18-19).
Furthermore, the majority of independent scholars put Thomas decades earlier than Mark.
@@naramsin1853 False