As a 2017 335d Touring owner I urge you to disregard the rubbish being talked about the suspension. All recent 335d’s are xDrive, and as standard, all xDrive BMW cars get the Comfort suspension. This suspension is supple and allows for much quicker progress than with rock hard M Sport suspension on any UK road. If your car will spend its life on a track, fit firmer and lower suspension, otherwise the standard units will impress with comfort and traction. Leave the skittish handling to the modders who don’t understand suspension physics and UK roads.
All your comments are bang on. I had a 435d for 4 years, and the E92 335d before that. The 435d improved in all areas except for handling. I fixed the ride height with ACS springs, and also specced the adaptive suspension to eliminate the SE dampers. Waaaayyyyy better. It was a great car. Sold it last October and now have an M4. Miss the economy like mad but love the performance and poise of the M4. Real world though the 435d would have been difficult to shake!
I have one with the adaptive dampers and it is superb. Just seen off a Cayman S today, gave him such a surprise. Forget the diesel/petrol argument these cars are real weapons!
In many ways you have the better car. Better handling, better steering feel... I would say better looks too. Power is down by a fair amount but there are many ways to fix that.
I own a NA 2011 335d and I absolutely love the car. This is the last production 335d in North America (USA), just be happy that they are still selling them in Europe. Great Review! 👍
Twin pipe exhaust looks better than a single pipe exhaust, the suspension is good for a comfortable ride. Adaptive dampers solves if you want a stiffer ride. The mpg dial and the small screen hmi are pretty poor for a car of this calibre in this day and age, bigger screen and digital mpg is much nicer on the inside.
I get what you mean about the ride height and exhausts, it's a proper sleeper car though. I drive in Scotland which has a lot of shitty backroads, so i'd probably take the increase in ride height as a positive as I'd probably be working the suspension harder. Nice review though fella, well presented, good work. I think if I wanted to be noticed I'd get a new Civic type R, which i'd love to have by the way :).
I recently bought a 14 plate 330d, luxury xdrive. Needed a diesel for commuting but wanted something with a but more power than the 120d. Car came with a bunch of extras and it feels like such a massive upgrade from the 1 series. I think the exhaust looks fine on my car as it matches the chrome styling, but agree it looks out of place on the m sport version. I'm not sure if I'm overly fussed on the auto box, I've always had manuals up until now and 1,000 miles later I still feel like I miss manual. Need to give it more time I think.
Things I don't like about my F30 340i - (1) the start/stop always defaults to on every time you start (2) the cruise control is the same - isn't on by default, (3) the next track button that was on the steering wheel in my E92 335D isn't there anymore and (4) there is too much wind noise around the drivers' side where the wing mirror is. What do I like - (1) 326bhp, (2) the noise - it doesn't have the sport exhaust bit it still sounds good when you hoof it, (3) 326bhp. As for the ride height - is it an Xdrive? If so, that's why - the 330d M Sport has less power bit has the lower ride height (and can be easily remapped to more than the 335d). As for tyres - get Michelin Pilot Sport 4S.
Cardinal Biggles I've got 330d Msport remaped to 315bhp 650nhm it a monster sits nice and low and on adaptive suspension drives ace. Downsides torque limit on gearbox is lower than 335d so got to have that in mind when pushing. After putting it on Michelin ps4s it's a complete everyday rocket :)
- The 335d is only available with X-drive (a rear-biased torque-vectoring AWD system). X-drive MSport models do NOT have the lower suspension of the RWD MSport models, although the springs and dampers are firmer than on the SE version. I assume it's to do with driveshaft alignment. I've been told it's not a good idea to lower the suspension on X-drive models. If you want a fast 3-series that handles really well on smooth roads, get a 340i or a 330d (non-X-drive). But you won't get the awesome traction of the 335d in slippery conditions. - The adaptive xenons of the pre-facelift model have sharper vertical cut-offs than the adaptive LEDs and are (subjectively) brighter. The adaptive system + high-beam assistant allows each headlight to aim itself independently. Thus the nearside headlamp will stay on main beam and pivot sideways to shine up the verge when there's an oncoming car, while the offside unit dips. The vertical cut-offs allow both headlights stay on main beam if following a car at night, but aim past it on either side and so don't cause dazzle. It's a brilliant system and vastly superior to the adaptive headlights of the F10/11 5-series. - The F31 has more driver legroom than the F11 5-series! - Couldn't agree more about the exhaust pipes. In the pre-facelift versions, only the 6-cyl models had twin pipes, now even the 320d has the same twin tailpipes as the 335d. Grrrr..
FangPaw that was very informative thank you. Yes I heard about the ride height with xdrive combo but I honestly think that's just nonsense, plenty of people have lowered or slammed them on coilovers! Just makes me sad that they didn't offer rwd 335d, could of been cheaper too!
The main thing i dislike about my 435d stage 2, boring as hell to drive, doesn't have the immediate boost that a VNT turbo has, understeer. They just a derv.
The 435d does have a VNT turbo. It actually has the exact same one as the 430d. They simply add a bigger and extra turbo for more flow at higher engine speeds.
@@BigUriel no my friend the 435d I literally have sat outside is a borg Warner twin turbo setup with fixed pitch turbine, not variable vane like vnt. The 330d is a single variable vane pitch turbo, the 435d is a borg Warner twin turbo fixed vane. I've had every 330d going from E46 to f30 chassis and the 435d simply has a different setup entirely.
Nice review; all true. i have a 2015 Aug F30 335d Xdrive Msport plus package jobbie. In addition to your 3 dislikes, may I add that interior storage space is poorly designed and not user friendly. I had a 330d before this and there was a nice little gloveboxy thing below the dash on the right, which the 335d lacks. Also I was shocked to find out that spilt rear seats are not standard. In a car worth 50K above!!!!
I find all newer cars are getting bigger and wider, there is also a huge rise in pick ups aswell such as Ford Rangers, VW Amaroks etc and i feel this is the way the automotive industry is heading in, like the USA.
Wow dandanfings. A blast from the past when you were modding your Audi. Really enjoyed those. Doesn't actually matter that you're in a bemmer now. I'm a car guy before brand😎
last Novembre I picked a 320d and love it all the way but sometimes I think should have picked a larger engine but concerning about the fuel. Is there a big difference to like 335?
ACS springs and Michelin pilot super sports you'll be grinning from ear to ear. Agreed about the exhaust, even the 435d is twin pea shooters. Standard kit is great but all should have electric folding mirrors and heated seats tbh that's all I miss
KW v2 coilover suspension/non runflats sorts the car, don't bother with springs, still a big problem with poor damping. Once the car can handle the power it's got you'll want more power (Steinbauer's box is really good)
I've done 40000 miles on the KW coilovers, no issues. Hated driving the car on standard suspension, ACS springs improved things but only on completely flat, smooth roads. Bilstein used to do last generation msport suspension, which was spot on.
Love these. The M-Sport can be specced from the factory with SE suspension. Agree that probably big enough for the average family (4). I have a '13 5 series which does feel that much bigger inside - although slightly plusher.
THEG12EG I never understood the gc, it's identical besides the front wings and the incredibly useful hatchback. Why didn't BMW just make that the 3 series?
the 4 series gran coupe? compared to the 3 series i think the front end is lower too. i was going to get a golf R estate 7.5 but to be honest i think the BMW is better car.
Dandanfings 4GC is wider and lower than the 3er.And also, we shouldn't forget the fact that it's still a coupe, even if it's a 4 door car.The 3 must be a sedan, so that's why we got 2 cars.
I have seen them with 19s and the suspension height is just as bad. I intentionally left option complaints out of this video and just brought up the core issues regardless of spec.
But, if someone doesn't like the spec of their car - they change it or get another one. Before I purchased my f31 M Sport, I knew I didn't like any of the cars that had the 18s on as they have made the wheel arches so big - they swallow the MP 20" wheels so It had to be 19s or not at all. If they didn't offer any other wheels for this car and you were stuck with your 18s, I would understand. But, you choose those wheels... The 19s sit well on it, I think BMW expected that most customers wouldn't like the 18s - so they would spend extra on the upgrade.
Yep would look the same just more alloy and less rubber. Overall diameter would be within 0.something of an inch. Also I like the 18s, it’s a nice design.
BMW inline 6 engines are 😍. Mercedes new inline 6’s aren’t anywhere as refined especially combined with their pointless 9 speed transmissions in the facelift s class and new gls
Hey man, hope things are good. Regarding the M Sport / SE spec and suspension. 'M Sport' refers mainly to the spec of the car, same as 'S Line' or 'GLX' etc so you will get more kit with an M Sport. It is my understanding when I spec'd my 335d at BMW recently that you need to purchase the 'M Sport Plus Package' to gain the full M Sport spec WITH the M Sport suspension. There is another factor in this as well though dude because the XDrive's, which all 335d's are (I.e. a non permanent four wheel drive) do ride higher than an non X Drive car, because of the extra transmission and room required underneath. I hope this explain a few things. Like the vids 👌
The MSport Plus package adds bigger brakes (with blue calipers) and 19" wheels. The suspension is unchanged (I have a 2015 (1st gen) 335D F31 MSport with the optional 19's, my other half has a 2017 335d F31 MSport with the Sport Plus package. Both ride and handle identically). You can specify adaptive adaptive dampers which firm up in the Sport and Sport+ settings, but think they're a bit of a waste of time.
In that case, whoever spec'd up the car must have specifically asked for the SE suspension on the car, it can be done. Some people want the M Sport spec but softer suspension I guess.
Forgot to add - the X-drive system IS a permanent AWD system, biased 30-70% front-to-rear. The system will transfer power to whichever wheel(s) has the most grip. It feels like RWD until you give it lots of welly in the wet, whereupon you can feel power transferring to the front wheels. All MSport models get MSport suspension as standard (which can be deleted as a no-cost option) with firmer springs and dampers and is lowered on the non-X-drive models. MSport models also get a bigger wheels and tyres (wider at the back than front), a smaller fatter steering wheel, shorter gear lever (on manual models such as the 320D), leather MSport seats, black headlining, the "high-gloss shadow line" (instead of chrome) around the windows, etc. The 330D and 335D also get the Sport auto gearbox (with flappy paddles) as standard. So it's not just more goodies.
Despite the negatives probably the best car in the world. Can I ask how long you've had it what's it like for reliability any issues etc etc. Looking to upgrade from a 2018 golf GTD
Could you tell me why my drivers side headlight stays on when i park and lock it, for a couple of minutes.... and more to the point how do i disable it? Great vids thanks
LOL U MOAN ABOUT IT YET U HAVE THE WORST ALLOYS EVER! AT LEAST U COULD OF HAD THE PROPER M SPORT WHEELS! I DO AGREE THO, THE EXHAUST IS PATHETIC AND TOO SMALL!
Patrick Whitehouse google trl for BMW deals As for vw, you just missed them giving away Gtis for £150 a month! You just have to keep an eye out as the deals change daily.
How much did you pay for this beast? Are there any extras that you would want to pay extra for? Didn't they raise the suspension because they wanted to match this to the 4x4? Or something?
So if I speced it higher it would not be too big, have lower suspension and have a flasher exhaust? The 335D regardless of spec would have the same negatives I mentioned.... I did take that into consideration before making the video.
I thought it was just me. I got a 335d xdrive m pack and the brakes could definitely do with being sharper. I'm always left wary when stopping, especially with the speed you can easily end up going.
Your car had no options... Joking right!? Leather seats, m sport suspendarea, led lights, professional navigation system, autimatic gearbox, m sport steering wheel..... Or ist that all standard for the 335 already?
m sport package includes led lights, m sport suspension, m sport steering wheel. leather seats was his only "option", cuz gearbox is not an "extra" really, and he doesn't have the navi prof., that would be way bigger and more rectangular
bonzodog88 because I didn't get a choice on spec as this car was compensation. Also the adaptive doesn't fix the problem, still has the same tall soft springs. Only the dampers are different.
There are dozens of videos I have made with the F30 335D that would answer your question. Subscribe, browse and enjoy the journey when I tuned and sorting out the suspension. Its a fantastic car with serious power :D
It's a travesty that BMW sold the 335d with that nasty small screen. Those plastic blanks that cover where the extra screen width would be are just offensive on a car of this price.
with the MPPK pack.... oh yes, I met a guy with a touring version and its def the car to get, I would say it's better than the F80 M3 (when tuned) but you wont get 55mpg out of it!
You still get the same exhaust, also it has less power. Before you say remap or MPPK, I know first hand how much faster the 335d is because I went against one that was tuned 3 times... was also Xdrive. There is a video coming this week which will feature the suspension ;-)
I have a 335d with adaptive suspension and it looks the same as a 330d but is so much quicker it's unreal. I have no idea how you can possibly say a 330d is better than a 335d. Especially a rwd. The Xdrive is rear biased and brilliant, I can easily see off an M3 in the wet or round corners and even off the line, can you?. If you've got a 330d that's great and I'm sure its a superb car but let's not pretend it's better than a 335d Xdrive!
Run flats do not ruin the ride at all. I have a 335d on Bridgestone Potenza run flats and adaptive suspension and it is superb. Unless you have one and know what you are talking about, you have no place with negative comments!
do have one and the run flats are shitty. I have to agree about the exhaust pipe arrangement too. Thats hideous. At least on my 2009 the dual pipes are on each side. Much better than the newer 335d
@@MrMrp69 I have a 335d with 20inch wheels and run flats and they are harsh compared to ordinary tyres , which is why I changed them. Now imperfection reads are not as much as a jolt
Erm i can think of something i dont see. So 2 things really, 1) should of got the mperformance kit, 2) should of got the upgraded stereo because the standard speakers are shiteee. So guess everything you dont like apart from size could be fixed via not buying the poverty spec. :) sorry haha
I totally agree with you on the exhaust pipes being put to one side as a terrible idea, WHHHHYYYYYYYY BMW WWWHHHHHYYYYYYY?????????.... whoever approved this exhaust idea at bmw needs to go work for McDonalds....lolest of Lols hahahahaha
It should be an option, M pack ticked and you expect the suspension and exhaust. Instead its just a bodykit, no different than when you get on a basse 318d when you tick the same box!
Nope two turbos, a small one and a big one. It’s pretty much the feature of the 335d engine. If you have a single turbo then it’s a 330d. If you are reading marketing material on the engine cover... ignore it, it’s wrong.
Did you not look or test drive or look at the car before you bought it? As an observation and not trying to be nasty, why would you advertise a illegal number plate on you tube. More stupidly, you have told your insurance company that you plan to use your car for racing and time testing purposes.
You must be new here, so hi and welcome :-) That 'illegal plate' is not my plate, in fact I often switch them around on some of my videos. If you watched some of my other videos you would know that I didn't choose this car, it was given due to BMW screwing up my M140i order and leaving me in a difficult situation. However I like the car as you can see from my other videos. All events I attend I am insured for, Santa Pod, Nurburgring etc. I have never attended any form of racing... this is a road car not a track car!
As a 2017 335d Touring owner I urge you to disregard the rubbish being talked about the suspension. All recent 335d’s are xDrive, and as standard, all xDrive BMW cars get the Comfort suspension. This suspension is supple and allows for much quicker progress than with rock hard M Sport suspension on any UK road. If your car will spend its life on a track, fit firmer and lower suspension, otherwise the standard units will impress with comfort and traction. Leave the skittish handling to the modders who don’t understand suspension physics and UK roads.
All your comments are bang on. I had a 435d for 4 years, and the E92 335d before that. The 435d improved in all areas except for handling. I fixed the ride height with ACS springs, and also specced the adaptive suspension to eliminate the SE dampers. Waaaayyyyy better. It was a great car.
Sold it last October and now have an M4. Miss the economy like mad but love the performance and poise of the M4. Real world though the 435d would have been difficult to shake!
I have one with the adaptive dampers and it is superb. Just seen off a Cayman S today, gave him such a surprise. Forget the diesel/petrol argument these cars are real weapons!
Yep these cars are insanely fast, not at all surprised you spanked a Cayman S
@@TheBenchmarkuk Moderately quick. Nippy.
That's why I went with a 2011 335d here in the US....Every one of your neg's. is taken care of. Still looks new too.
In many ways you have the better car. Better handling, better steering feel... I would say better looks too.
Power is down by a fair amount but there are many ways to fix that.
I own a NA 2011 335d and I absolutely love the car. This is the last production 335d in North America (USA), just be happy that they are still selling them in Europe.
Great Review! 👍
Underpromise and overdeliver. I like that attitude!
You have the taller suspension as it's an xdrive not RWD
Yes, that is explained a few times over the course of the video I thought?
@@TheBenchmarkuk not once
The tiny cheap wheels don’t help either 😬
Twin pipe exhaust looks better than a single pipe exhaust, the suspension is good for a comfortable ride. Adaptive dampers solves if you want a stiffer ride.
The mpg dial and the small screen hmi are pretty poor for a car of this calibre in this day and age, bigger screen and digital mpg is much nicer on the inside.
agree 100%
I get what you mean about the ride height and exhausts, it's a proper sleeper car though. I drive in Scotland which has a lot of shitty backroads, so i'd probably take the increase in ride height as a positive as I'd probably be working the suspension harder. Nice review though fella, well presented, good work. I think if I wanted to be noticed I'd get a new Civic type R, which i'd love to have by the way :).
I recently bought a 14 plate 330d, luxury xdrive. Needed a diesel for commuting but wanted something with a but more power than the 120d. Car came with a bunch of extras and it feels like such a massive upgrade from the 1 series. I think the exhaust looks fine on my car as it matches the chrome styling, but agree it looks out of place on the m sport version. I'm not sure if I'm overly fussed on the auto box, I've always had manuals up until now and 1,000 miles later I still feel like I miss manual. Need to give it more time I think.
A number plate reading LOUD on a diesel is absurd LOL. Apart from that great vid
Things I don't like about my F30 340i - (1) the start/stop always defaults to on every time you start (2) the cruise control is the same - isn't on by default, (3) the next track button that was on the steering wheel in my E92 335D isn't there anymore and (4) there is too much wind noise around the drivers' side where the wing mirror is.
What do I like - (1) 326bhp, (2) the noise - it doesn't have the sport exhaust bit it still sounds good when you hoof it, (3) 326bhp.
As for the ride height - is it an Xdrive? If so, that's why - the 330d M Sport has less power bit has the lower ride height (and can be easily remapped to more than the 335d).
As for tyres - get Michelin Pilot Sport 4S.
Cardinal Biggles I've got 330d Msport remaped to 315bhp 650nhm it a monster sits nice and low and on adaptive suspension drives ace. Downsides torque limit on gearbox is lower than 335d so got to have that in mind when pushing. After putting it on Michelin ps4s it's a complete everyday rocket :)
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- The 335d is only available with X-drive (a rear-biased torque-vectoring AWD system). X-drive MSport models do NOT have the lower suspension of the RWD MSport models, although the springs and dampers are firmer than on the SE version. I assume it's to do with driveshaft alignment. I've been told it's not a good idea to lower the suspension on X-drive models.
If you want a fast 3-series that handles really well on smooth roads, get a 340i or a 330d (non-X-drive). But you won't get the awesome traction of the 335d in slippery conditions.
- The adaptive xenons of the pre-facelift model have sharper vertical cut-offs than the adaptive LEDs and are (subjectively) brighter. The adaptive system + high-beam assistant allows each headlight to aim itself independently. Thus the nearside headlamp will stay on main beam and pivot sideways to shine up the verge when there's an oncoming car, while the offside unit dips. The vertical cut-offs allow both headlights stay on main beam if following a car at night, but aim past it on either side and so don't cause dazzle. It's a brilliant system and vastly superior to the adaptive headlights of the F10/11 5-series.
- The F31 has more driver legroom than the F11 5-series!
- Couldn't agree more about the exhaust pipes. In the pre-facelift versions, only the 6-cyl models had twin pipes, now even the 320d has the same twin tailpipes as the 335d. Grrrr..
FangPaw that was very informative thank you.
Yes I heard about the ride height with xdrive combo but I honestly think that's just nonsense, plenty of people have lowered or slammed them on coilovers!
Just makes me sad that they didn't offer rwd 335d, could of been cheaper too!
Should have ordered the extras. The exhaust is supposed to be small. It is a hidden beast. (debadged, tourer, loaded, sweet)
Yes Rodney and in a way I like that, if I was allowed to, I would take it off and for sh!ts and giggles install a 318d badge 😃
The main thing i dislike about my 435d stage 2, boring as hell to drive, doesn't have the immediate boost that a VNT turbo has, understeer. They just a derv.
The 435d does have a VNT turbo. It actually has the exact same one as the 430d. They simply add a bigger and extra turbo for more flow at higher engine speeds.
@@BigUriel no my friend the 435d I literally have sat outside is a borg Warner twin turbo setup with fixed pitch turbine, not variable vane like vnt. The 330d is a single variable vane pitch turbo, the 435d is a borg Warner twin turbo fixed vane.
I've had every 330d going from E46 to f30 chassis and the 435d simply has a different setup entirely.
Looks like they've fixed the tailpipes and ride height on the new G20 M340d
good but I believe (and this is from old rumours a year back) this 340d makes 40bhp less and uses one turbo....
I love my f30. It sounds like crap but it is the best overall car I have ever driven. Right down to the cup holders
Completely agree. I got 330d. Good vid
Nice review; all true.
i have a 2015 Aug F30 335d Xdrive Msport plus package jobbie. In addition to your 3 dislikes, may I add that interior storage space is poorly designed and not user friendly. I had a 330d before this and there was a nice little gloveboxy thing below the dash on the right, which the 335d lacks. Also I was shocked to find out that spilt rear seats are not standard. In a car worth 50K above!!!!
The folding seat thing winds me up too.
I find all newer cars are getting bigger and wider, there is also a huge rise in pick ups aswell such as Ford Rangers, VW Amaroks etc and i feel this is the way the automotive industry is heading in, like the USA.
Fantastic video! Keep it up!
Wow dandanfings. A blast from the past when you were modding your Audi. Really enjoyed those. Doesn't actually matter that you're in a bemmer now. I'm a car guy before brand😎
you should see pre LCI exhaust, single pipe, single exhaust tip, i am going to change that very soon
last Novembre I picked a 320d and love it all the way but sometimes I think should have picked a larger engine but concerning about the fuel. Is there a big difference to like 335?
Hi guys it’s me, WHOS ME 😁
I agree with you completely about the suspension and exhaust arrangement, BMW need kick up the backside.👍
Adaptive suspension makes all the difference. Mines spot on, best of both worlds between comfort and sports mode.
ACS springs and Michelin pilot super sports you'll be grinning from ear to ear.
Agreed about the exhaust, even the 435d is twin pea shooters.
Standard kit is great but all should have electric folding mirrors and heated seats tbh that's all I miss
Technics Guy ohh that is a good point, folding mirrors would of been nice. But then I do get other toys as well so I guess I can't complain.
U need bigger rims to close the gap in wheel arch and to handle better
Haha completely agree with the exhausts they look terrible! Good vid 👍🏻
Richard Williams thank you :)
They did it because of ECO laws
Agree about the exhaust. Its putting me off.
KW v2 coilover suspension/non runflats sorts the car, don't bother with springs, still a big problem with poor damping. Once the car can handle the power it's got you'll want more power (Steinbauer's box is really good)
I am not a fan of KW, its Bilstein I would go for. There does seem to be some confusion about suspension fitment on these models though.
I've done 40000 miles on the KW coilovers, no issues. Hated driving the car on standard suspension, ACS springs improved things but only on completely flat, smooth roads. Bilstein used to do last generation msport suspension, which was spot on.
Grcmca Mcc it's also personal experience, I used b14s in my previous car and they were sublime.
Higher suspension is to allow for differentials as it's an x drive...
what does pafetic mean?
same as free, tree or three..... ohhh just you take a trip to peterhead and then come back and criticise my pronunciation :-D
The Benchmark 😂😂😂
Love these. The M-Sport can be specced from the factory with SE suspension. Agree that probably big enough for the average family (4). I have a '13 5 series which does feel that much bigger inside - although slightly plusher.
I don’t think we get the f30 335D in the u.s. yet. Correct me if I’m wrong. Great videos by the way.
your negatives are easily fixed apart from size... that's why my next car will be a 335d or a 435d gran coupe!
435d Gran Coupe all the way.That car looks way better imo
THEG12EG I never understood the gc, it's identical besides the front wings and the incredibly useful hatchback. Why didn't BMW just make that the 3 series?
the 4 series gran coupe? compared to the 3 series i think the front end is lower too.
i was going to get a golf R estate 7.5 but to be honest i think the BMW is better car.
Dandanfings 4GC is wider and lower than the 3er.And also, we shouldn't forget the fact that it's still a coupe, even if it's a 4 door car.The 3 must be a sedan, so that's why we got 2 cars.
well said.. both great cars overall tho.
Negatives are not an issue. If you spent a bit more on the spec, you would have the 19 inch wheels which wouldn’t make it look ride as high.
I have seen them with 19s and the suspension height is just as bad.
I intentionally left option complaints out of this video and just brought up the core issues regardless of spec.
But, if someone doesn't like the spec of their car - they change it or get another one. Before I purchased my f31 M Sport, I knew I didn't like any of the cars that had the 18s on as they have made the wheel arches so big - they swallow the MP 20" wheels so It had to be 19s or not at all. If they didn't offer any other wheels for this car and you were stuck with your 18s, I would understand. But, you choose those wheels... The 19s sit well on it, I think BMW expected that most customers wouldn't like the 18s - so they would spend extra on the upgrade.
Mr Creative it would look exactly the same as the profile of the tyres would be smaller on a 19" wheel
Yep would look the same just more alloy and less rubber. Overall diameter would be within 0.something of an inch.
Also I like the 18s, it’s a nice design.
If you think the 335d saloon is long try the 335d GT...
the exhaust on these is to do with the xdrive. the 335/435 non xdrive have the single pipe on either side arrangement
You mean the petrol 335
The reason it has higher ride height is because it’s the Xdrive, you should of got the adaptive suspension like a normal person
Same ride height... also the xdrive doesn’t need to be higher, the components are no lower to the ground.
BMW inline 6 engines are 😍. Mercedes new inline 6’s aren’t anywhere as refined especially combined with their pointless 9 speed transmissions in the facelift s class and new gls
Nice video man love the car tho💪
"Hi guys it's me" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
hi guys i’m shmee
Ahhhhhh don’t!
I'm selling mine for a GR Yaris for delivery in July. I keep thinking about the contrast 🤣
From a 5 seater do everything saloon to a 2 seater rally homologation...🤔
@@0brand0brand34 Madness or quality? 🤔 Seriousness is a disease, so why not!?
Hey man, hope things are good.
Regarding the M Sport / SE spec and suspension. 'M Sport' refers mainly to the spec of the car, same as 'S Line' or 'GLX' etc so you will get more kit with an M Sport. It is my understanding when I spec'd my 335d at BMW recently that you need to purchase the 'M Sport Plus Package' to gain the full M Sport spec WITH the M Sport suspension. There is another factor in this as well though dude because the XDrive's, which all 335d's are (I.e. a non permanent four wheel drive) do ride higher than an non X Drive car, because of the extra transmission and room required underneath. I hope this explain a few things. Like the vids 👌
The MSport Plus package adds bigger brakes (with blue calipers) and 19" wheels. The suspension is unchanged (I have a 2015 (1st gen) 335D F31 MSport with the optional 19's, my other half has a 2017 335d F31 MSport with the Sport Plus package. Both ride and handle identically). You can specify adaptive adaptive dampers which firm up in the Sport and Sport+ settings, but think they're a bit of a waste of time.
In that case, whoever spec'd up the car must have specifically asked for the SE suspension on the car, it can be done. Some people want the M Sport spec but softer suspension I guess.
Forgot to add - the X-drive system IS a permanent AWD system, biased 30-70% front-to-rear. The system will transfer power to whichever wheel(s) has the most grip. It feels like RWD until you give it lots of welly in the wet, whereupon you can feel power transferring to the front wheels.
All MSport models get MSport suspension as standard (which can be deleted as a no-cost option) with firmer springs and dampers and is lowered on the non-X-drive models. MSport models also get a bigger wheels and tyres (wider at the back than front), a smaller fatter steering wheel, shorter gear lever (on manual models such as the 320D), leather MSport seats, black headlining, the "high-gloss shadow line" (instead of chrome) around the windows, etc. The 330D and 335D also get the Sport auto gearbox (with flappy paddles) as standard. So it's not just more goodies.
No, the 335D MSport does ride more softly than the (say) 330D MSport, but is nevertheless appreciably firmer than an SE.
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Hi guys its "me". hahahahahaha who are you "me" hahahahahah
Despite the negatives probably the best car in the world. Can I ask how long you've had it what's it like for reliability any issues etc etc.
Looking to upgrade from a 2018 golf GTD
Nice review and no pausing and saying "erm" like other reviews in UK! This model will be my next choice :)
Suspension is soft as you have no options especially for the suspension the adaptive suspension so you can change and fiddle around with it
Could you tell me why my drivers side headlight stays on when i park and lock it, for a couple of minutes.... and more to the point how do i disable it? Great vids thanks
That number plate is 👌🏼
LOL U MOAN ABOUT IT YET U HAVE THE WORST ALLOYS EVER! AT LEAST U COULD OF HAD THE PROPER M SPORT WHEELS!
I DO AGREE THO, THE EXHAUST IS PATHETIC AND TOO SMALL!
Ruby Begum yep, you’re right, he should’ve took the 19 inch M wheels. These look like the 17 inch (maybe 18 inch).
How much miles do you get out on a full tank ?
May be a bit off topic. Have you got any tips on getting a decent PCP or lease deal? Looking at S3's, Golf R's and 140i's for my next car.
Patrick Whitehouse google trl for BMW deals
As for vw, you just missed them giving away Gtis for £150 a month!
You just have to keep an eye out as the deals change daily.
Dandanfings cheers. Yeah, I watch a forum thread on Pistonheads for lease deals.
Dandanfings who was the gti deal with? also, if you're going to the ring with it - stick some uprated pads in imo...brembo hp2000, ds2500 etc
How much did you pay for this beast? Are there any extras that you would want to pay extra for? Didn't they raise the suspension because they wanted to match this to the 4x4? Or something?
like your vids :) nice!
If you change the springs does that void the warranty?
All your negatives is the reason why you don’t get a low spec 3 series
So if I speced it higher it would not be too big, have lower suspension and have a flasher exhaust?
The 335D regardless of spec would have the same negatives I mentioned.... I did take that into consideration before making the video.
A 335d isnt a low spec BMW.........
The 335d being the range topping diesel 3 series.
Onw of the negatives are the brakes i’ve got an 435d with m pack and the brakes aren’t that good for that amount of power
I thought it was just me. I got a 335d xdrive m pack and the brakes could definitely do with being sharper. I'm always left wary when stopping, especially with the speed you can easily end up going.
DS2500
Get a remap from birds. 380 bhp, 575ftlb. Had my f30 for 18 months now and love it.
+J W check the later videos 👍🏻
What model year is this one? Nice review!
new 2017
Your car had no options... Joking right!?
Leather seats, m sport suspendarea, led lights, professional navigation system, autimatic gearbox, m sport steering wheel.....
Or ist that all standard for the 335 already?
m sport package includes led lights, m sport suspension, m sport steering wheel.
leather seats was his only "option", cuz gearbox is not an "extra" really, and he doesn't have the
navi prof., that would be way bigger and more rectangular
With Style in the uk with m sport 335d all of that is standard and he doesn’t have professional nav
if its an x drive, they will sit higher than normal ones
How much is the lease. £500 a month?
i don't get your indicator negative? what about it?
Why didn't you research your purchase and choose the adaptive suspension that all reviews recommend?
bonzodog88 because I didn't get a choice on spec as this car was compensation. Also the adaptive doesn't fix the problem, still has the same tall soft springs. Only the dampers are different.
It's only 1 turbo isn't it nowadays in BMWs? Twin-scroll?
2 turbos on this model.
Did you manage to lower the car? Please update. Thanks
There are dozens of videos I have made with the F30 335D that would answer your question.
Subscribe, browse and enjoy the journey when I tuned and sorting out the suspension. Its a fantastic car with serious power :D
Would you pick an X-drive 335D over a S-drive 330D? Looking at options I also like the 235i.!
Get an f30 335d you will not be disappointed trust me
I thought it's a twinscroll not bi/twin turbo?
Correct me if Im wrong
It's both, one twin scroll turbo, one conventional turbo, in a two stage turbocharging setup.
If the car is a x drive the suspension will sit higher than a normal rear wheel drive m sport
How many miles are you getting to a tank Dan? how much to fill? Combined MPG is only 51mpg, i remember you saying you were getting 70mpg??
Yeah average is around 50mpg, however I did get 72mpg from Stevenage to Docklands once.
S3 literally gets about 20mpg is that similar to what you got ?
If you're so passionate about the negatives... don't buy the car in the first. It's not an m-sport, it's a 335d.
I didn't want the car, I made a video about why I ended up with it. It was compensation from BMW for their screw up on the M140 I ordered.
Okay video......but the number plate spacing is illegal and also for the company who made it
Good job that wasn't really its number plate and was just stuck on in the car park ;)
It belongs to the M3, as did L11UD U on the M2 Comp.
I hate the seats hated them so much i sold and lost 3 grand haha. No chance im sitting with bolster digging in my leg making me miserable 😅
So basically there's nothing wrong with it - the negatives are just aesthetics/personal preferences really.
Well I spent half the video going over negatives, one of which was major... which was that It has awful suspension.
It's a travesty that BMW sold the 335d with that nasty small screen. Those plastic blanks that cover where the extra screen width would be are just offensive on a car of this price.
Nice car and I liked your review. That number plate needs changing. It's cheap and illegally mis-spaced and the car deserves better.
Indeed, I agree, hence its plate is XX17 XXX
BMW listened to you mate...buy a Bmw 340i msport lol
with the MPPK pack.... oh yes, I met a guy with a touring version and its def the car to get, I would say it's better than the F80 M3 (when tuned) but you wont get 55mpg out of it!
You should've gone for 330d RWD with active suspension. This solves all problems of looks and performance.
You still get the same exhaust, also it has less power.
Before you say remap or MPPK, I know first hand how much faster the 335d is because I went against one that was tuned 3 times... was also Xdrive.
There is a video coming this week which will feature the suspension ;-)
I have a 335d with adaptive suspension and it looks the same as a 330d but is so much quicker it's unreal. I have no idea how you can possibly say a 330d is better than a 335d. Especially a rwd. The Xdrive is rear biased and brilliant, I can easily see off an M3 in the wet or round corners and even off the line, can you?. If you've got a 330d that's great and I'm sure its a superb car but let's not pretend it's better than a 335d Xdrive!
I can't make my mind up, F31 or F11...
F30 is lighter and also a newer car.
I'm looking around 2013 - 2014 plate models, although I've seen a 530d '12 with 30k on the clock. It's boot space and fuel efficiency I'm looking for.
HelloDave81 530d is a fine car, but a 330d will be a better drive if that makes sense?
I agree
You right pal exhaust looks terrible 😳
Try xhp for your gearbox ;)
Is it only in UK with this exhaust or do you have an 325d or 330d? In Germany die F30 35d has one bigger exhaust on the left and one on the right 🤔
Yea, but does it have a REAL spare tire?
No.
BMW cheap out by giving run flat tyres which I personally think is disgraceful as it ruins the ride quality.
i'de put that one at the top of the list then.
Run flats do not ruin the ride at all. I have a 335d on Bridgestone Potenza run flats and adaptive suspension and it is superb. Unless you have one and know what you are talking about, you have no place with negative comments!
do have one and the run flats are shitty. I have to agree about the exhaust pipe arrangement too. Thats hideous. At least on my 2009 the dual pipes are on each side. Much better than the newer 335d
@@MrMrp69 I have a 335d with 20inch wheels and run flats and they are harsh compared to ordinary tyres , which is why I changed them. Now imperfection reads are not as much as a jolt
Agreed, the exhausts are shitty, the average people carrier has more sporty looking ones
Erm i can think of something i dont see. So 2 things really, 1) should of got the mperformance kit, 2) should of got the upgraded stereo because the standard speakers are shiteee. So guess everything you dont like apart from size could be fixed via not buying the poverty spec. :) sorry haha
They don’t do a m performance kit for the 335d.
Or they didn’t in the U.K. anyway.
If you see one it’s aftermarket.
That's Edmonton tesco
Does it consume oil?
No, unless you consider diesel to be oil?
Now Project M3 on the other hand................😬
pafetic exhaust
I agree with that, even with the spelling mistake ;-)
Jack Dunn aww
Do you think it’s a better choice than M3 ?
I totally agree with you on the exhaust pipes being put to one side as a terrible idea, WHHHHYYYYYYYY BMW WWWHHHHHYYYYYYY?????????.... whoever approved this exhaust idea at bmw needs to go work for McDonalds....lolest of Lols hahahahaha
It should be an option, M pack ticked and you expect the suspension and exhaust. Instead its just a bodykit, no different than when you get on a basse 318d when you tick the same box!
I don't like the number plate - it's illegal.
Ok...
X-Drives don't get M-sport suspension.
Correct, however BMW advertise that they do.... hence the rant.
Do they? everything i'v read from BMW suggests otherwise.
i got 66 plate f30 335d and it has 1 twin power turbo not 2 turbos ?????
Nope two turbos, a small one and a big one.
It’s pretty much the feature of the 335d engine.
If you have a single turbo then it’s a 330d.
If you are reading marketing material on the engine cover... ignore it, it’s wrong.
The Benchmark why would bmw say 1 twin power turbo if it has 2 ...by the way I said I have one not reading about one
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N57
It doesn't have an exhaust that appeals to boy racers. That's because boy racers don't know what exhausts are for.
it does not have 2 turbo's. it has a singular twin power turbo
Its a m Pack, its not a m sports. That Will be a 140im/550im/d sorry my frend a Packes can you also get on a 316m
No such thing as M pack it's the M Sport the end
Did you not look or test drive or look at the car before you bought it? As an observation and not trying to be nasty, why would you advertise a illegal number plate on you tube. More stupidly, you have told your insurance company that you plan to use your car for racing and time testing purposes.
You must be new here, so hi and welcome :-)
That 'illegal plate' is not my plate, in fact I often switch them around on some of my videos.
If you watched some of my other videos you would know that I didn't choose this car, it was given due to BMW screwing up my M140i order and leaving me in a difficult situation.
However I like the car as you can see from my other videos.
All events I attend I am insured for, Santa Pod, Nurburgring etc.
I have never attended any form of racing... this is a road car not a track car!
Loool man said it's ridiculous!! Lool