A rant about the 2024 tech job market

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 26 лис 2024

КОМЕНТАРІ • 755

  • @dickeyy
    @dickeyy 8 місяців тому +825

    this video makes me super happy as a 2nd year CS student.. can't wait to be an uber driver after I graduate

    • @stevejobless7108
      @stevejobless7108 8 місяців тому +23

      I’m in the same boat currently. I’m just trying to diversify experience by going for IT and more business related positions. It is what it is. Maybe when we graduate things are different. CS degree is still seen as relatively prestigious even if there aren’t development jobs open

    • @umeshofficial13
      @umeshofficial13 8 місяців тому +43

      Dont wait till graduation

    • @ololh4xx
      @ololh4xx 8 місяців тому +32

      better yet : you'll write shitty webapps for random IT-service companies which use and abuse employees at high turnover rates.
      But, look at it like this : in the beginning of your career, absolutely every experience counts towards your overall qualification. After doing shitty jobs for about 3-5 years, you'll finally qualify for much, much better jobs, outside of the services sector. You will become a developer proper, then - with all the benefits you were hoping for. Just a few more years ... hold on, my guy - be strong.

    • @shawnmercado2219
      @shawnmercado2219 8 місяців тому +41

      Drop out and go to trade school, I'm not kidding. I have 7 years of experience. 1500 resumes over the last year have gotten me a whopping one interview.
      From here on out, increasingly all the creative intellectual work will be done by computers. People will pretty much just be physical workers, tradesmen, and salesmen

    • @kraldada6557
      @kraldada6557 8 місяців тому +4

      Just don't be stupid and go to Mechanical Engineering for your masters. Or Robotics. Just look around Mechanical Engineering and Robotics is going to be the next big thing. 100%

  • @ooccococococooco4512
    @ooccococococooco4512 8 місяців тому +751

    I did bootcamp last year, the bootcamp is now closed (after being open for 10+ years), they used to have 85% of students employed 3 months after graduating. Their source of income was the employers. Now, 1 year on, most of my cohort still aren't employed. The bootcamp is closed, and that beautiful optimism looks dark

    • @CaliburPANDAs
      @CaliburPANDAs 8 місяців тому

      name of bootcamp?

    • @Moch117
      @Moch117 8 місяців тому +66

      Dont do bootcamps its all a scam

    • @nulI_dev
      @nulI_dev 8 місяців тому +57

      @@Moch117 False there are some good ones

    • @yunleung2631
      @yunleung2631 8 місяців тому +14

      Never believed in them. How much camaraderie can you really build with people who you only spend a few weeks with?

    • @TheAcademik
      @TheAcademik 8 місяців тому

      @@yunleung2631 I'm still friends with a large chunk of my cohort (and some of the cohorts after me.) 2017 botocamp grad

  • @kevinfortier556
    @kevinfortier556 8 місяців тому +625

    Damn, I have a ton of respect for you standing up for those struggling in the tech community. You're a real one

    • @SedBuildsThings
      @SedBuildsThings 8 місяців тому +4

      i feel bad for the actual imposters (imo about 60% of front end) out there getting talked out the imposter syndrome they absolutely need to have to get better.

  • @danylo.s
    @danylo.s 8 місяців тому +350

    Influencers are contributing to the problem. Do you remember those "Day in the life of a FAANG developer" videos that were so popular? They made programming seem easy and everyone could make a six-figure salary while working on a MacBook in a coffee shop.

    • @kspfan001
      @kspfan001 8 місяців тому +4

      no

    • @jamiegetty7011
      @jamiegetty7011 8 місяців тому +56

      ​@@kspfan001 Elaborate, please. You can't just say "no' and expect people to understand your point.

    • @imeakdo7
      @imeakdo7 8 місяців тому +54

      In a gold rush, you sell and advertise pickaxes you don't go mining. Those videos were made during the pandemic tech rush

    • @gigitrix
      @gigitrix 8 місяців тому +10

      People have chased the CS bag for at least a decade before "influencing" was a thing. Supply and demand.

    • @travissmith2127
      @travissmith2127 8 місяців тому +5

      It's not the influencers behind it. Big companies exaggerated demand when they had money to burn. It looked good to investors when you hired a lot of people so that's what they did. Currently investors like to see downsizing, so that's what will happen. The way modern corporations work, the only thing that matters are the numbers at the end of the next quarter, they don't really plan beyond that.

  • @benwhite8157
    @benwhite8157 8 місяців тому +232

    I graduated last year and it took me until now to finally land a role. It wasn’t even skillful. A recruiter called me up and of the available candidates, I was the one who could start the earliest. Now I make $19/hr packaging laptops for new employees of a company. I’m so glad I got a 4-year degree for that.

    • @imeakdo7
      @imeakdo7 8 місяців тому

      That's what a computer engineering role in many countries does

    • @AschKris
      @AschKris 8 місяців тому +8

      @@imeakdo7 and it sucks
      edit: unless you like to do that, in which case, more power to you.

    • @t_sizzler_2032
      @t_sizzler_2032 8 місяців тому +6

      That sounds an awful lot like Best Buy lol

    • @Omar-kl3xp
      @Omar-kl3xp 8 місяців тому +1

      What kind of job is that ?

    • @greglane501
      @greglane501 7 місяців тому +1

      The American dream...

  • @thomasaquinas399
    @thomasaquinas399 8 місяців тому +262

    You are 100% correct about the mass applications. My company put up a posting for a tech position and got 2,000 applications in 1 day, after which HR forced us to take down the posting.

    • @Luther_Luffeigh
      @Luther_Luffeigh 8 місяців тому +1

      wow 😯

    • @sn3lling
      @sn3lling 8 місяців тому +6

      That is crazy and make's me feel blessed that I have a position and am not looking.

    • @fark69
      @fark69 8 місяців тому +5

      Have been told similar stories internally at FAANG. The lower level jobs have so many applicants they no longer accept referrals at those levels

  • @blacklamb8393
    @blacklamb8393 8 місяців тому +281

    same problem is happening in cyber security. entry level jobs are asking for mid senior level certifications and and 2-3 years experience like... i haven't even graduated college💀

    • @tracyrreed
      @tracyrreed 8 місяців тому +42

      Cybersecurity is not an entry level job. Get a few years of IT experience first.

    • @Craig-Be
      @Craig-Be 8 місяців тому +11

      Why are there cyber security courses in colleges and universities ​then? @tracyrreed

    • @PuntiS
      @PuntiS 8 місяців тому +21

      @@Craig-Be because colleges want students and money (be it profit directly or grants) first and foremost, and that doesn't necessarily equate to employed alumni.
      If they see an economic incentive to open a major, they will, even if the long-term "employability" of those students doesn't hold.
      Considering that your average student is barely 18yo, the way they advertise college is pretty much a scam.

    • @itsJoshW
      @itsJoshW 8 місяців тому

      The key to getting a job in the tech industry is to apply to entry level jobs. Cyber Security, or Information Security, is not entry level. Entry level is Help Desk. You start at the bottom, then work up. I'd also argue programming is also entry level, which makes this video all the more arbitrary -- I've watched countless of jobs appear online in my location with less than 50k offering for programming, and yet networking administration/engineers, systems administration/engineers, and technical application implementation/pm, along with cyber security, all provide far exceedingly above this pay range.
      You're likely to get an entry level security engineer job after a little experience within a companies help desk, but to consider it a "straight out of college" is a large chunk why so many people are unqualified for tech jobs in the first place.
      Most cheat to get their degrees, then after they get them. I've encountered in the last 5 years a large quantity of people with Computer Sciences degrees that called Ethernet 'eth-er"net (like the soft 'e'), didn't know what the event viewer was, or had no idea what a SQL Database was...let alone a VLAN or how to setup a firewall rule.
      Expecting these people to be in charge of systems which directly are related to profit in a corporation is entirely facetious.
      Simple plain point: If you want into Cyber Security, start while in college, not after. If you want to get into cyber security, then you apply for help desk in a company and wait for an opening, or stay for the year to gain experience, and slowly progress up.
      You can't expect immediate success because you have a piece of paper.
      For a secondary "lol", most of the highest paid tech jobs are unrelated to your typical computer science degree.

    • @tracyrreed
      @tracyrreed 8 місяців тому +2

      @@Craig-Be Because it is a hot source of revenue for them.

  • @tc2241
    @tc2241 8 місяців тому +362

    Eng Dir here. It’s a slaughter house atm. I’m basically a glorified staff eng now, who has teams a quarter their original size. Had to merge multiple teams and cut mgrs or have them be glorified tech leads. Everything is running at a snail pace and they expect us to ‘chatGPT’ our way out. Our devs are now also security, SREs, qa, and support and I haven’t been able to payout bonuses or give raises. And this as isn’t a small operation, we’re global. They’re waiting until they can sell or covert their entire tech dept into one guy with a ChatGPT subscription. Anyone who says it’s easy is full of s***

    • @insertoyouroemail
      @insertoyouroemail 8 місяців тому +71

      Huh? I'm legitimately baffled. They think ChatGPT will build and maintain their software?

    • @horsethi3f
      @horsethi3f 8 місяців тому +8

      ​@insertoyouroemail eventually it might just do that unfortunately

    • @CHURCHISAWESUM
      @CHURCHISAWESUM 8 місяців тому +64

      @@horsethi3fHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

    • @tools.shoe.country.quickly
      @tools.shoe.country.quickly 8 місяців тому +11

      @@insertoyouroemailprobably not for a while, but businesses will force it anyway

    • @PoeticPoppa
      @PoeticPoppa 8 місяців тому +1

      Yeah. I am at a company and realized that I am doing application admin/support (a full-time job), procurement (another full-time job), and project management/sales support (yet another full-time job).

  • @Unknownc1c
    @Unknownc1c 8 місяців тому +119

    Web dev here looking for a job. Thank you for putting this out there, it's so true. I have 11 years in this space and I'm 330 applications in. It's brutal out there. The spam employers are getting is real!

    • @dmitrykim3096
      @dmitrykim3096 8 місяців тому +1

      How much money do you ask

    • @bluecake4840
      @bluecake4840 8 місяців тому

      @@dmitrykim3096 however much they can give at this point ig

    • @Moch117
      @Moch117 8 місяців тому +6

      11 years and you have trouble ? How so

    • @dmitrykim3096
      @dmitrykim3096 8 місяців тому +3

      I think it's more about salary, people do t want to get less money but I think they will have to in this era

    • @oshotz
      @oshotz 8 місяців тому

      @@dmitrykim3096It has nothing to do with salary my dude, I've applied for 250+ regardless of salary since around September of last year (with some as low as $15/hr)
      I've had one SINGLE interview scheduled and it was canceled the week before because they found someone else

  • @BassHuey
    @BassHuey 9 місяців тому +158

    Yea the guys saying its a skill issue either have a job or have no clue or both. Lots of people out there masquerading as good developers competing for these handful of jobs. I mean 1000s and add in the foreign developers in our job markets. Forget it.

    • @GoYoops
      @GoYoops 8 місяців тому +1

      Individuals who say it's a skill issue are unempathetic assholes, that's it. They can do a simple google search and see the number of laid off individuals plus new CS degree holders coming into the market, but they choose to put down people who are out of work instead. It's anti-social behavior.

    • @perc-ai
      @perc-ai 8 місяців тому +4

      I’m a better dev then you bro

    • @dustin.8695
      @dustin.8695 8 місяців тому +15

      *than

    • @imeakdo7
      @imeakdo7 8 місяців тому +1

      You probably are a CS student. Not saying it's a skill issue I just see CS students are pessimistic

    • @imeakdo7
      @imeakdo7 8 місяців тому

      And yes things are hard

  • @TanmaiNiranjan
    @TanmaiNiranjan 8 місяців тому +63

    I'm in my final semester of college right now, and I've been applying to jobs non-stop over the past few months, but I've have no luck and have yet to get an interview. It is extremely frustrating to say the least. I've solved like a 1000 problems on leetcode and worked on several projects but no one seems to want to give me a chance to prove myself. I'm not gonna give up though, because I believe in myself and I just need someone else to see that I am a valuable asset. Keep marching y'all!

    • @mestayno
      @mestayno 8 місяців тому +2

      Let's go dude I like your energy

    • @samdroid37
      @samdroid37 8 місяців тому +2

      Stay positive and be patient. You're in a good spot. 😁

    • @Cris-xy2gi
      @Cris-xy2gi 7 місяців тому

      I needed this. Thank you.

    • @Schultz3
      @Schultz3 5 місяців тому

      Any luck, champ?

    • @TanmaiNiranjan
      @TanmaiNiranjan 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Schultz3 I ended up joining a unicorn startup, It’s been great!

  • @lukeinderwick5951
    @lukeinderwick5951 8 місяців тому +48

    My first job in the tech space was also complete luck. My old boss just happened to be friends with a CEO that was looking for someone. I had built a lot of trust with my previous boss, not even working in tech, and that was enough for a recommendation and for the CEO to take a chance on me. There was never a public job opening for anyone else.

  • @detskysade2581
    @detskysade2581 8 місяців тому +89

    Started college during Covid and only now realizing how many things and connections I missed out on during that valuable time. I’m now graduating with loads of extremely diverse experience from internships in tech. I have strong resume for a fresh grad, that would land me an amazing job in tech 2-3 years ago. Now I’m just struggling to get an interview. Something that helps me is the fact that I have Computer Engineering degree, and probably the reason I have a good offer after graduation from my most recent internship.

    • @club2772
      @club2772 8 місяців тому +23

      The connections that should matter the most are with higher ups. So… probably your fomo isn’t as bad as you’re thinking

    • @itsJoshW
      @itsJoshW 8 місяців тому +3

      The "I'm struggling to get an interview" is directly because you're applying for jobs you are not qualified for. People need to realize that you aren't going to get a job in this field immediately. You work at the bottom, and you work your way up. Tech is one of the only industries that exists where the "american dream" philosophy (where hard work and experience) pays off. You start at an entry level position, despite your connections and your internship, because the employers do not care about what you did in college lol.
      My first tech job required me to apply to over 100 different jobs in the course of a month, with only a handful of call backs and only a few offers. That was over 10 years ago now.
      This market hasn't changed. What's changed is clickbait and peoples misunderstanding of what they're qualified with no experience.

    • @rileyandersen1706
      @rileyandersen1706 8 місяців тому

      I can't even get an interview at Walmart let alone any entry level technical roles. "only a few offers" what world are you living in?@@itsJoshW

    • @imeakdo7
      @imeakdo7 8 місяців тому

      In many countries, computer engineering degrees can be disqualifiers for things not related to repairing things or some form of tech or it support

    • @darekmistrz4364
      @darekmistrz4364 8 місяців тому

      @@club2772 Agreed, graduated in 2016 and I don't keep a single connection with people from my University. And I studied on weekends so most of them were already working in IT at the time.

  • @wojtek1582
    @wojtek1582 8 місяців тому +62

    Those layoffs lists do not count a smaller scale incidents like 2-4 people laid off. In my company of 60-something 4 people have been recently fired as there was no projects for them.

    • @zombieguy
      @zombieguy 8 місяців тому +5

      Yeah was thinking the same as well when checking out that website, I've been at two smaller end places that completely shut up shop for tech roles in 2022 and 2023. There is also the whole other dynamic of places just straight up not hiring people anymore or stopping wage growth, very crappy times tbh.

    • @darekmistrz4364
      @darekmistrz4364 8 місяців тому

      I know of a fintech company that laid off 24 people (mostly software engineers and product managers) from 100 and it's not on that list.

    • @darekmistrz4364
      @darekmistrz4364 8 місяців тому +3

      @guymontag5084 Effects of firing vs layoff depend on the country or the contract type. For many cases it's the same thing and doesn't affect unemployment benefits

  • @realbigsquid
    @realbigsquid 8 місяців тому +26

    I like this side of you, Theo. You're absolutely right. Between when I graduated and and now, 15 years later, the market has no similarity. And people mean tweeting at the young kids just sounds so boomer.

  • @665Iron
    @665Iron 8 місяців тому +8

    Thank you so much for bringing this up man. As a software engineer that got laid off two years ago. Is even harder for me to succeed in the tech world. A lot of people actually say that it is important that you focus on one programming language or skill, but when you're in job hunting, you have to know it all and there is no time to master anything. Every job asks you for a different technology or coding skill and you will never feel enough. Up to this point, I'll say fuck it, I'll go and work for myself and build tools and apps tham can fulfill me instead of a fucking company...

    • @Opethefoodie
      @Opethefoodie 5 місяців тому

      If you have a project you want to work on, let me know, I am looking for projects to join and co own

  • @geode9512
    @geode9512 8 місяців тому +25

    Soon enough these companies will have the same issue as Boeing. When you prioritize profits over product and people, you will encounter disaster.

    • @slamislife74
      @slamislife74 8 місяців тому +4

      CxOs are simply too focused on short-term profits to learn from history

    • @internetpointsbank
      @internetpointsbank 7 місяців тому

      Cut the bloat like twitter

  • @openthinker1251
    @openthinker1251 8 місяців тому +11

    The problem is that tech people think this is a tech only problem. This is happening in many many industries as well. Interest rates are high which leads to lower investment and there was over hiring this isn’t a forever thing

  • @SuperOtter
    @SuperOtter 8 місяців тому +130

    Some people think nepotism is a skill

    • @chanjr
      @chanjr 8 місяців тому +13

      “Pretending otherwise is delusional”

    • @jbca
      @jbca 8 місяців тому +9

      People everywhere always have preferred to hire based on trusted connections. You can complain about it if you want but you need to acknowledge it if you want to understand the reality of the market.

    • @lacku2677
      @lacku2677 8 місяців тому

      It literally is. It's social skills, something that software engineers lack.

    • @xxxxx409
      @xxxxx409 8 місяців тому

      @@lacku2677 I switched to computer science from business and stopped going out as much

  • @huehuehue-x3c
    @huehuehue-x3c 8 місяців тому +11

    Once the videos of "my day in the life as a software engineer" became super prevalent on social media I knew that this day would come.

  • @Brentfindley
    @Brentfindley 8 місяців тому +28

    Month 3 of my layoff starts in a couple days. I am a senior-level data analyst with a good resume and I would say reasonably good experience. 250 jobs applied to (many of them roles referred to me by people in my network). I think it’s 6 companies that asked me to interview. So basically a 0.2% interview rate. And as much as I want to go into how sorry I feel for myself, I really feel for the new grads/entry level folks. You guys were sold a lie on a tremendous scale, and now here we are in this unemployment circlejerk.

    • @NoahSteckley
      @NoahSteckley 3 місяці тому

      Why come data science affected so much too :(

    • @filmonyoha7134
      @filmonyoha7134 2 місяці тому

      ​@@NoahSteckley I think data science is not properly defined at most companies and most put it out there as machine learning engineer which is mostly research focused for PHDs levels

  • @darkwoodmovies
    @darkwoodmovies 8 місяців тому +11

    I remember when I first started studying CS, nobody was doing it. Then it became trendy, and everyone wanted to be in Computer Science. Too many people saw the nice salaries and insane labor demand and thought it would be an easy career, and now the market corrected and it's now way too over-saturated, in particular full of people who don't actually care or have any passion about the industry and making quality software, they're just there to make money. Which is unfortunate to those who are truly in it because they're passionate about building cool stuff.

    • @maalikserebryakov
      @maalikserebryakov 8 місяців тому

      If you’re so passionate and special then a bunch of indian script kiddies showing up shouldn’t hurt you. You should be outcompeting all of these jobbers.

  • @akilhosang9655
    @akilhosang9655 8 місяців тому +12

    As someone that has gotten their bachelors and master's in computer science and 2yrs of relevant experience thinking getting a job wouldn't be too hard, then going through the worst time job hunting, I really appreciate hearing this from you man! Thank you for putting it into perspective for everyone.

    • @darekmistrz4364
      @darekmistrz4364 8 місяців тому +2

      Don't put that much focus on education. I recently interviewed someone with master's and it was embarrassing because he was barely able to write Hello World program.

    • @paglaith5561
      @paglaith5561 8 місяців тому +1

      @@darekmistrz4364 I am sorry but that sounds fake. In which language did you ask them to write hello world program?

    • @zalty8556
      @zalty8556 8 місяців тому +3

      @@paglaith5561 hes exaggerating i hope but hes not wrong i knew some 2nd year cs students who couldnt print out a 3x3 # square on the console

    • @paglaith5561
      @paglaith5561 8 місяців тому

      @@zalty8556 At least they know Hello World 💀

  • @rumble1925
    @rumble1925 8 місяців тому +31

    I took half a year off and started looking for jobs again. It's tough out there. And I'm a good developer with some really solid projects shipped under my belt.

    • @rumble1925
      @rumble1925 8 місяців тому

      @ChineseRatfaceCHANG Good enough to provide direct value and turn business requirements into working software.
      I did get a project at a really good place though since I wrote this. But the gold rush is over, I'm going to be writing software that is going to be used in a factory. The age of "facebook for dogs", "uber for dads" etc is over imo.

  • @anasouardini
    @anasouardini 8 місяців тому +7

    I need to add that: being unqualified is not something to blame people about all the time, some times the market gets so saturated, and you skills are not enough even if you know a lot.

  • @michaelholmes924
    @michaelholmes924 8 місяців тому +63

    "50 resumes deep"? A few months ago I was applying for jobs and it was more like 500-1000 just on indeed.

    • @timgibney5590
      @timgibney5590 8 місяців тому

      Anyone can spam on indeed. Always pay for Linked IN Pro and never do the easy apply as they get drowned out and then message the recuiter. Many indeed posters are scam jobs that were filled over a year ago but never taken down

    • @wwjccsd
      @wwjccsd 8 місяців тому

      That's the problem indeed isn't where it's at. You have to go through every site (Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, etc)

  • @incarnateTheGreat
    @incarnateTheGreat 8 місяців тому +23

    I've been out of work since November. It's nice to know that I'm not the only one struggling. Even when I do a technical assessment, there's ZERO room for error. The second you mess up, you're chalked off for someone else who doesn't flinch.

    • @ChristosChristides
      @ChristosChristides 8 місяців тому

      Αθηνα μενεις;

    • @KatharineOsborne
      @KatharineOsborne 8 місяців тому +4

      God yes this. I have tons of anxiety doing code pairing tests and at best it makes me ‘slow’ and at worst I blank. I don’t have a chance with these and every one I do makes my anxiety worse. It’s awful.

    • @incarnateTheGreat
      @incarnateTheGreat 8 місяців тому +2

      @@KatharineOsborne oddly enough, I used to be able to do these fairly well; the exercises were practical. Now they're just Leetcode horseshit.

  • @RatherBeCancelledThanHandled
    @RatherBeCancelledThanHandled 8 місяців тому +39

    The level of compassion, empathy and thoughtfulness you expressed in this video is a rarity ; especially amongst developers .
    Thank you ❤

  • @BizzaBoey
    @BizzaBoey 8 місяців тому +14

    As someone who has had to take time after graduation to take care of my family (eg non-trad backgrounds), this problem feels even more extreme where the way I have been spending my time and growing is not easily translateable to a resume.

    • @LOL-kq2dd
      @LOL-kq2dd 8 місяців тому

      Fr bru, shit sucks so bad I gotta consider just joining the military

    • @bmcrak
      @bmcrak 8 місяців тому

      @@LOL-kq2dd I’d have already joined if I didn’t have crohns. Fuck

    • @antdok9573
      @antdok9573 7 місяців тому +1

      it would be interesting to crunch some numbers and find whether there are a lot of discriminatory issues being exacerbated in this current economy

  • @zbot2123
    @zbot2123 8 місяців тому +7

    The other problem is that companies are actually garbage at hiring too. Experienced devs don't want to put up with leetcode grind bullshit and are more likely to just go find a job in a different industry than put up with that bullshit again.

  • @anasouardini
    @anasouardini 8 місяців тому +9

    This is the most realistic video I've watched so far on the job market.

  • @The-Real-Jack
    @The-Real-Jack 8 місяців тому +12

    Im based in Ireland. The company I work for, which is a Cali based large tech company, has openly said that they are putting an emphasis on growing their international offices moreso than their US ones. This is often because they can hire CS grads at a fraction of the cost. My salary is about 1/3 of what they would need to pay a US based dev of the same experience, so theres a big incentive for bigger companies with international offices to look for talent in other countries.

    • @anthony4331
      @anthony4331 8 місяців тому

      Netapp? Have them on campus here basically every day looking for interns and grads

    • @The-Real-Jack
      @The-Real-Jack 8 місяців тому

      @@anthony4331 workday

    • @DroisKargva
      @DroisKargva 8 місяців тому +5

      This should be illegal. Someone without US work status should not be able to work for US company. If its "Illegal" for illegal immigrant to get the job in US without paperwork it should be illegal to hire outside of USA for USA company. This takes away jobs from USA

    • @skillgamer76
      @skillgamer76 8 місяців тому +11

      @@DroisKargva why should this be illegal? the company sells worldwide so they can hire wherever they want

    • @The-Real-Jack
      @The-Real-Jack 8 місяців тому +2

      @DroisKargva It is. That's not what happened. Workday also registered a company in Ireland, and the Irish employees work for that entity that is registered in Ireland. All multinational companies are free to register entities wherever they please and hire from whichever countries suit them, for better or worse.

  • @liquidsnake6879
    @liquidsnake6879 8 місяців тому +53

    It's horrifying and i fully predicted it years ago when they started the bootcamps and i was hearing about all these waves of millions of high paying tech jobs you can do from home in the future, i knew it was gonna generate a flood of kids in CS and that flood was going to vastly overwhelm the demand at the time and i knew also that predictions of millions of coming jobs were bloated to say the least.
    There's nothing that can be done to fix this, these kids need to find alternative careers and those of us already in tech should really start thinking about alternatives or about setting up self-employment, even if you don't get laid off, your salary isn't going to be what you dreamed of or what recruiters from 5 years ago might been promissing, that era is gone, programming is no longer a high paying job and you're in competition with people in third world countries making pennies.

    • @0oShwavyo0
      @0oShwavyo0 8 місяців тому +25

      That’s a wildly pessimistic take, programming jobs are still incredibly high paying compared to average salaries across all industries.

    • @liquidsnake6879
      @liquidsnake6879 8 місяців тому +11

      @@0oShwavyo0 They won't be for very long, the biggest problem isn't even just the high amount of kids coming in and how everyone and their mothers are doing bootcamps and stuff, it's outsourcing and that's what was massively worsened by the Covid thing.
      Companies went full remote and now prefer to hire someone for pennies in Asia as opposed to hiring you in the USA for five times the money. When the company is remote anyways it makes no difference where the talent is, the competition pool is now global and that is going to lower the salaries massively if you're in a first-world country that used to have high wages in tech.
      If you already have a job they're not gonna lower your wage obviously, you'll just get laid off eventually and then forced to accept lower pay elsewhere as nobody will re-hire you for the same amount you were earning before, but supply and demand always win out, you cannot maintain high wages in a job where there are a lot of desperate applicants and not a lot of demand

    • @dekumutant
      @dekumutant 8 місяців тому +12

      ​@@0oShwavyo0such a US brained comment

    • @jwoods9659
      @jwoods9659 8 місяців тому +1

      There are no other jobs that pay this much sorry just aren't I can't make a living to regular stuff. With that said a lot of the folks as frontend boot camps. Also the companies we need companies and real solutions. Not just jobs adding a a extra camera to a phone

    • @0oShwavyo0
      @0oShwavyo0 8 місяців тому +3

      @dekmutant I am in the US, just like Theo and probably the majority of this channel’s viewers. Besides, the same appears to be true for most European markets from a little cursory research. I’m not saying programmer’s are earning faang money everywhere, but the average software dev salaries are always higher than the average salary across all industries. They’re not low paying jobs by any means

  • @bwhit7919
    @bwhit7919 8 місяців тому +46

    Imagine running a startup at a time like this. You’d have access to ex-FAANG and top-tier talent at discount costs.

    • @bwhit7919
      @bwhit7919 8 місяців тому +1

      @guymontag5084 I’m curious on the exact math on this. I’m sure now is a good time to run a seed startup. You could hire a team of five top notch engineers for $500k. But I imagine now’s a terrible time to run a Series B or C startup. But I imagine that Series B/C startups that got funding before interest rates went up are in the best state of all.

    • @TheDopeJackalope
      @TheDopeJackalope 8 місяців тому

      @guymontag5084Great insight.

    • @therealjezzyc6209
      @therealjezzyc6209 8 місяців тому +6

      Yeah but those people are gonna want to work st their previous salary range, so you're gonna spend loads on them cause they were overpaid, plus little VC funding and high interests rates mean you're gonna have a lot of trouble finding money to pay these people

    • @bwhit7919
      @bwhit7919 8 місяців тому +1

      @@therealjezzyc6209 I’m sure they want to work at their previous salary, but if nobody else is giving them a job, I doubt they’d turn you down. It’s an employer’s market. You can get senior engineers at a discount. And if that doesn’t work, you can hire junior engineers for even cheaper.

    • @acies9408
      @acies9408 8 місяців тому

      but no funding

  • @danzka_
    @danzka_ 3 місяці тому +2

    After college, I did bootcamp 5 years ago. They taught me many soft skills, git, JS, React, Redux, Ruby, Rails, Postgresql data structures, algorithms, interviewing, and job search. Got employed 3 months after finishing it. Now the bootcamp is not accepting people anymore because they cannot guarantee that you will get a job.

  • @username2828
    @username2828 8 місяців тому +3

    I am in the UK and the tech market is rough atm, 2023 was a stinker of a year and whilst 2024 things have picked up ever so slightly, it's still not in a good position. It's really tough at the entry level/grad/junior end of the scale as most roles are mid - senior level. People are saying companies over hired during pandemic etc etc, here in the UK, economic uncertainty is at an all time high and companies are reducing spendings etc.

  • @DavidMulderOne
    @DavidMulderOne 8 місяців тому +8

    Why is nobody mentioning that the number of layoffs is global AFAICT, whilst the CS student number is for the US? Just China and India by itself probably is around one million. And that's not even talking about layoffs.fyi not just tracking developer (some source articles don't specify the type of jobs at all, and at least one explicitedly includes a department like marketing). I know I am late to the party and nobody will see this comment, but as far as I can tell this video doesn't make any sense to me.

  • @thebearded4427
    @thebearded4427 8 місяців тому +7

    I worked in ecom management. Two years of studies and 2 more in a company. When i graduated there were hundreds upon hundreds of job ads on linkedin every month. This month ive found 5 in my entire country that are actually hiring for my role, while the rest are warehouse openings? Yea the job market is a interesting place

    • @Elkington7
      @Elkington7 5 місяців тому

      Yeah, warehouse jobs will hire immediately, especially through a temp agency. That work is rough though, especially if you're 30+.

  • @worldadmin9811
    @worldadmin9811 8 місяців тому +19

    thank you. it took me 11 months to find the job i have now and i had so many ppl saying it was somehow my fault even tho i knew for a fact it wasnt

  • @johnprice6805
    @johnprice6805 8 місяців тому +47

    Up to 49,386 just 6 days later

    • @NeilMartin98
      @NeilMartin98 8 місяців тому

      Holy shit

    • @Omar-kl3xp
      @Omar-kl3xp 8 місяців тому

      No way , are there even that many jobs junior positions to begin with ?what kind of jobs are you applying for?

    • @harshjain3122
      @harshjain3122 7 місяців тому

      At 75k now

  • @anewbeginningquinn
    @anewbeginningquinn 8 місяців тому +4

    Very very hard in 2024 to find a tech job as a fresh graduate. Almost impossible with no connection / internship.
    I attempted to search a job on my own and got 1 call in over 100 applications. Even with a 4.3 GPA, volunteer work, multiple hackathons participation, multiple scholarships, engagement at school, a research project...
    I ended up asking people I knew and very quickly found opportunities, a friend referral and a job. Salary is 60k which isn't what was sold to me when I went in this field.
    But the current market is just atrocious

  • @PGDJ88
    @PGDJ88 8 місяців тому +1

    This video ruled Theo. We don’t always agree but this is definitely good to see you so passionate and doing the work on this issue.

  • @im_a_surfingdoggo
    @im_a_surfingdoggo 8 місяців тому +17

    Yuuup, startup went almost bankrupt last July and we all got laid off. I can count on one hand the number of companies I’ve interviewed with since, and 12 months prior I was getting so many interviews it was a challenge (interviewing is exhausting). I’m a strong candidate but not the 99th percentile, at least not on paper. It’s not fun.

  • @prodbyryshy
    @prodbyryshy 8 місяців тому +3

    im a programmer (or "developer") but i also make music and i see this dynamic with producers sending instrumentals to artists. these artists get sooooo many beats sent to them that they NEVER check their email or messages from new producers. As a matter of fact, i once sent a tweet asking people to send me instrumentals, i got so many emails i couldnt even check them anymore and im not even an established artist. replace artist with company and its the same situation. connections are EVERYTHING!

    • @istvanpraha
      @istvanpraha 8 місяців тому

      oh I didn't know that! That's interesting. I would've thought it was the opposite because so much music feels like repeats of old stuff and feels so predictable. I wonder if most demos sound the same?

    • @prodbyryshy
      @prodbyryshy 8 місяців тому

      @@istvanpraha it's just because the volume (amount) of music made is so high that no one can really listen to all of it, regardless of how it sounds

    • @maalikserebryakov
      @maalikserebryakov 8 місяців тому

      @@prodbyryshyso we need more Businesses less workers

    • @maalikserebryakov
      @maalikserebryakov 6 місяців тому +1

      @@prodbyryshy
      We also don’t have good ways of Sifting through Music.
      No one really feels desparate to shortlist all the music in the world. So big companies will dominate

  • @patrickkhwela8824
    @patrickkhwela8824 8 місяців тому +4

    I think we can blame devs for the huge layoffs. All this automating stuff to make your life easier and AI has shown that we can get more done in the tech industry with fewer "more competent" developers.

  • @blood_rose_queen
    @blood_rose_queen 8 місяців тому +2

    The more I see the job market, the happier I am to have decided to work for the government. Even though wages can be a little bit lower (it depends, where I work it's actually higher), better work conditions and not being let go are excellent advantages. I never felt threatened or pressured to overwork and I haven't worked a single weekend (10 years experience)

  • @world-9644
    @world-9644 5 місяців тому

    Thank you for being realistic. Got my first dev job this year but it was hard. I even had connections with two principal engineers at a company one of which was a close friend with 20yrs experience who I code with regularly. Even then, I didn’t get an interview and lost the spot to someone who was internal within the company.

  • @johndoe2-ns6tf
    @johndoe2-ns6tf 8 місяців тому +20

    who's to blame? giant tech companies for overhiring (to fake their value and growth), influencers showing how easy the life of a dev is in giant tech companies (mostly because of the overhiring) and a blind conviction that AI is going to solve all problems (which will not).

  • @Crazylalalalala
    @Crazylalalalala 8 місяців тому +28

    This reminds me a lot of when I was in architecture school between 2006-2011... Experienced architects were applying for intern jobs while I was looking for my first internship... that was really discouraging.

    • @timgibney5590
      @timgibney5590 8 місяців тому

      @@nonamenolastname8501 It is flipped back now that a recession has started. Commercial real estate projects have stopped

    • @kirillvoloshin2065
      @kirillvoloshin2065 8 місяців тому +3

      ​@@nonamenolastname8501 I see where it comes from, at least in my country being a dev without a degree rewards much more than being an engineer with university education. I have an electrical engineer degree (4 years professional program), worked as an industrial automation engineer for 3 years. Switched to IT via a bootcamp and already got around 2x as a junior dev. This is messed up so bad, it's crazy

    • @Bot-on-Tapwater
      @Bot-on-Tapwater 8 місяців тому

      Which country is that?​@@kirillvoloshin2065

  •  8 місяців тому +6

    Now that some HR uses AI to handle the massive volume of applications, imagine how many resumes are discarded by the algorithm and there's no way to know why, no way to give a feedback. Looking for a job is dehumanizing nowadays.

    • @timgibney5590
      @timgibney5590 8 місяців тому +3

      Beat the system. There are a few job serach tools that use the same algorithms. Basically the company says some busswords about CDI integrations, pipelines, and is obtuse. Create a cover letter with the same terms (do not cut and paste as AI will detect this). Change your verbs on your resume to match the buzzwords. Instead of performed X on upgrade to node.js say intregrated CDI with Pipeline on upgrade to node.js. Your phone will blow up :-D

    • @darekmistrz4364
      @darekmistrz4364 8 місяців тому

      @@timgibney5590 wth is CDI with Pipeline?

    • @maalikserebryakov
      @maalikserebryakov 8 місяців тому

      @@timgibney5590bro thinks he’s Light Yagami or smth

  • @Bladorage
    @Bladorage 8 місяців тому +2

    keep in mind the layoff numbers do not include contractors. So whatever number you see from "?" company layoffs, take that number and double it.

  • @wyphonema4024
    @wyphonema4024 8 місяців тому +7

    me is good example. I graduated last year, still coulnot find a tech job. I applied over 600 job application and most of them are internship ( not even a real job), and rejected rate about 99%.

    • @lawrencemanning
      @lawrencemanning 8 місяців тому

      What is “tech job”?

    • @max5427
      @max5427 8 місяців тому

      Same

    • @wyphonema4024
      @wyphonema4024 8 місяців тому

      @@lawrencemanning steam

    • @jacoboulibarrena5275
      @jacoboulibarrena5275 8 місяців тому

      @@lawrencemanning @max5427 "tech jobs" are IT related jobs, such as web developer, coder...

  • @internallyinteral
    @internallyinteral 8 місяців тому +4

    There's a statistic from 2023 for IT jobs as a whole there was only 713 or something created for the entire year you can find it on the DOL statistics

  • @wwjccsd
    @wwjccsd 8 місяців тому +3

    I mean what did people expect. 130k new CS degrees is already oversaturating the market. remove low interest rates and companies actually feel the need to make money and not burn billions staffing thousands of redundant positions or incompetent workers.

  • @eddiegomez4134
    @eddiegomez4134 8 місяців тому +5

    mid-level dev here; been looking for a job for about 5 months now. Thought id be easier getting a job with some work experience under my belt.

  • @JordanStarkey
    @JordanStarkey 8 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the insight! Wondering how much you think offshoring is to blame for the difficult tech job market?

  • @baslielgugsa9259
    @baslielgugsa9259 8 місяців тому +1

    The cold truth we all needed to hear, thanks for keepimg it real

  • @pudabear4765
    @pudabear4765 8 місяців тому +4

    literally black pilled rn. mid into a degree knowing all of these peoople are saturating tf out of the market

    • @doublesushi5990
      @doublesushi5990 7 місяців тому +1

      doesn't help when a guy like this spam-posts "coding" vids etc(400 vids on his main).

    • @schtormm
      @schtormm 3 місяці тому

      @@doublesushi5990 a programming youtuber posting videos about programming, oh the humanity

  • @zombieguy
    @zombieguy 8 місяців тому +2

    Half a million layoffs in the last 2 years is just insanity. I'm in game dev so I have that fun to contend with as well just now, but it's so disheartening before even applying seeing 2k+ applications for postings a day or two old, these layoffs don't even show the fact places are just cutting back as well or how pay has crashed. Fair enough I live in the UK but min wage for dev work requiring degrees, years of experience and several rounds of interviews can gtfo.

  • @moveonvillain1080
    @moveonvillain1080 8 місяців тому +5

    Yeah... For these reasons I still persist in my $3.6k/year IT job.
    (I am not working in US just translated the numbers for the general audience)

    • @SM-ok3sz
      @SM-ok3sz 8 місяців тому

      $3,600 a year 😳
      You make ~$10 a day?

    • @GxK37
      @GxK37 8 місяців тому +10

      @@SM-ok3sz
      Welcome to the reality of other countries.

    • @vladyslavgooglya9902
      @vladyslavgooglya9902 8 місяців тому

      Holy cow... May I ask what country you work in? Because I work as a developer in Ukraine, one of the poorest countries in Europe, and yet I earn $700/month ($8400/year) in this poor-ass country during the war with russia, considering the fact that I have no commercial development experience and I'm not even a full-stack web developer (only backend on Node.js).

  • @KenW418
    @KenW418 8 місяців тому +11

    From my personal experience, the job market is still okay for non-tech businesses hiring workers for the not so glamorous tech stacks. Pretty much nobody wants to work as a mainframe dev these days, but I know a lot of people who get hired, or are hiring for those roles. I think a lot of people go to school and really want into silicon valley, and want to work on the mainstream and popular languages and frameworks and do something amazing. You can make a pretty good living just being an average dev maintaining a legacy system at a non tech company though. Just sayin. And the job security is significantly better too. These non-tech companies aren't going to throw away their devs as easily.

    • @timgibney5590
      @timgibney5590 8 місяців тому

      Underpid and take any contract job and use a bottom barrell recruiter. Yes you will only pull 80k with no benefits. But it beats being unemployed and have a gap now filled on your resume. Remember you need to be an eagle in a sea of chickens to stick out. Unemployed people are never hired in a recession. Only people who do not need the job. In a year to a year and a half quit the crappy contract gig and apply to a rea job again. Those who now have a 2 year gap will be working bestbuy and be permanently out of the IT field and you will stay in

    • @destructionman1
      @destructionman1 8 місяців тому

      @@timgibney5590 That sounds gross but I agree. Forget silicon valley working on the cutting edge. Move to a low cost of living area, find a mom and pop's software consulting firm, work on unglamorous local contracts (government, utility companies, native corporations, etc.) keeping the lights on for their legacy systems. Make a living for a year or two then go from there. Live frugally, hustle, network, gain skills when you can, stay out of trouble, grind grind grind. Oh and become a US citizen if you're not - more options in government etc. Good luck to all 🤜🖤

    • @timgibney5590
      @timgibney5590 8 місяців тому

      @@destructionman1 I said this as I ended up leaving IT as I graduated in 2009. My god talk about the rug pulled under me. No one outside of fast food and a substitute teacher position would hire me while my friends who graduated in 2008 all bought houses grrrr. By 2011 I got contract help desk jobs and 8 years later I ended up back in the game. It sucked and was let go of a few contract roles.
      Ouch but hey HR stopped asking about gaps and saying 2009 was bad will just make them roll their eyes lol.

    • @Zuranthus
      @Zuranthus 8 місяців тому

      where are these magical mainframe companies that are willing to take in people with no experience?

    • @timgibney5590
      @timgibney5590 8 місяців тому

      @@Zuranthus In 2022. Now with laid off folks they can just hire experienced people for internships

  • @goldydog1
    @goldydog1 8 місяців тому +8

    For those searching, if you're open to it, defense contracting can be a good option. You won't make as much as faang but you'll be compensated well enough (probably 70-80k for entry level) and shouldn't have to worry much about being overworked. I no longer work for one but i feel like my friends that still work there are always complaining about needing more devs

    • @niamhleeson3522
      @niamhleeson3522 8 місяців тому +6

      I'll starve before I work for a defense contractor.

    • @goldydog1
      @goldydog1 8 місяців тому

      @@niamhleeson3522 why

    • @goldydog1
      @goldydog1 8 місяців тому

      @@niamhleeson3522 why?

    • @Kaxon
      @Kaxon 8 місяців тому

      ​@@niamhleeson3522could you elaborate please

    • @-Engineering01-
      @-Engineering01- 8 місяців тому

      In defense you're treated like a shit and most of them are looking for candidates with EE and PhD degrees, not CS.

  • @andyborch9886
    @andyborch9886 3 місяці тому +1

    People saying not being able to get a job right now is a skill issue either haven't been laid off themselves or they haven't looked for a job in a long time.

  • @UrNextBard
    @UrNextBard 8 місяців тому +10

    I worked with a programmer with a degree in computer science, but the quality of the code they showcased was like mine when I was in high school starting to learn how to code.
    Most people I feel like faked their way to getting that degree in computer science to get a high paying job. That would also make sense why so many companies are laying off people.
    People when they see money will try to take it leaving talent with nothing.

  • @gtvwill
    @gtvwill 8 місяців тому +2

    Worked IT for the last half decade. Currently ditching it to become a chippy. Pays easier to earn and the b9ss doesn't want to fire me just to save a buck or replace me with chatgpt. Does wonders for your mental health not having that to deal with. IT treats its employees like shit. Not worth the wage.

    • @maalikserebryakov
      @maalikserebryakov 8 місяців тому

      f sake
      I cant be bothered with life anymore
      i got screwed af school and now i read IT horror stories everywhere.
      time to become taxi driver

  • @w.m.k
    @w.m.k 8 місяців тому

    Thank you for this! Watching this video really made me realise how bad the situation is 😭

  • @supernenechi
    @supernenechi 8 місяців тому +3

    How is this so different in the US than abroad? I applied for a DevOps engineering role at a huge national news company in my country just through their careers website like you said.
    They hired me after two interviews (one in person) while I was still doing my final internship before graduating. I have now graduated and am working there.
    How is it so different over there lol?
    Granted, tech jobs in the US pay way more than they do here, probably close to double (excluding the fact you'd have to pay for expensive things like a car commute and health insurance)

    • @ichbinhier355
      @ichbinhier355 8 місяців тому +6

      the problem are tech companies, the market is so saturated and people still want to get in.
      to find a job easier you should go for the non tech companies (like you did)

    • @user-ee1fn4vt8b
      @user-ee1fn4vt8b 8 місяців тому

      Well, it would seem that not as many people are applying to the jobs in your country then.

  • @unamanic
    @unamanic 8 місяців тому +52

    Friendly reminder that not all tech jobs are at tech companies.

    • @jameszaccardo1520
      @jameszaccardo1520 8 місяців тому +26

      dude, everyone knows this.

    • @Toronto_Luddite
      @Toronto_Luddite 8 місяців тому

      And not all layoffs have been from tech companies. The numbers on layoffs.fyi are conservative based on verifiable reports. For every job still available at a non-tech company, there's probably been 3 layoffs at non-tech companies, and non-tech companies still aren't listing jobs

    • @IamusTheFox
      @IamusTheFox 8 місяців тому +3

      ​@jameszaccardo1520 it may not always occur to people who are too close to the problem.

    • @user-ee1fn4vt8b
      @user-ee1fn4vt8b 8 місяців тому +3

      If you think working in tech is dystopian, wait till you see how non-tech companies treat their tech people. Good for getting your "foot in the door" though if you're just starting your career.

  • @AgentMrX7
    @AgentMrX7 8 місяців тому +1

    And people always thought AI would replace the blue collar/Labour workers first....

  • @securethebag1613
    @securethebag1613 8 місяців тому +1

    I never see entry-level / recent graduate positions anymore. Only senior, lead, staff, and principle roles

  • @bronchiel
    @bronchiel 8 місяців тому +2

    software devs are exponentially more prevalent, and there’s a massive disconnect between the CEOs and hiring managers and the people looking for jobs, causing an even greater gap
    most of the people who study and graduate from my faculty want to be web devs, and nearly no company even wants them cause they’re full of them
    at first i wanted to make games and even my own engine, but then the market became highly saturated with slop
    now i’m focusing on bioinformatics and robotics, and i pray these positions won’t be taken by people who understand little about the complexity of genetics and nanotechnology

    • @beau981
      @beau981 8 місяців тому

      I'm curious how you could get into bioinformatics and robotics, I actually am interested in learning about more about nanotech. Do you have any good resources where I can actually develop a better understanding of them? Like papers, youtubers, books, etc?

    • @bronchiel
      @bronchiel 8 місяців тому

      @@beau981 this is all from my university, but i’ll make a reply with some materials and pointers
      it started with robotics first, then saw there was a course on bioinformatics, and now i’m taking classes that dive deeper into the human body
      i’m still at the baseline for all of this, but from what i’ve learned, you should absolutely learn about genetic functions - replication and translation, sequence alignment, and motifs - and if you’re interested in reading papers, there are a few interesting ones regarding CRISPR-Cas9, one of which is from just this february iirc, where it goes in detail about trials and the ethics of using this system for genetic modification, but also its advantages
      this is all i can give from what i remember, but i will make sure to follow up and put up some specific materials
      i’ve also seen a book or two at a local library about nanotechnology, so i’ll try to find its name and publishing date, however, this is still out of my range of knowledge, so i can’t guide you got this, as i am yet to take a class on this topic (which will probably be postgrad)

  • @MarkRodriguez-l4m
    @MarkRodriguez-l4m 8 місяців тому +3

    Graduated with a CS degree and not lying im homeless typing this. Studying to be competent

  • @Mikkelzu
    @Mikkelzu 8 місяців тому +2

    I also believe people put themselves into a corner and refuse to apply to other branches and only want to be in "big tech". Of course the market is then going to be competitive and hard to get into, if most likely all of your competition is gunning for the same jobs. Personally, I wouldnt even want to touch big tech or the big FAANG companies with a 10 foot pole, but also because being European I would probably hate the work culture regardless. Or atleast, that's how I've noticed it. The layoffs all are basically only in that area of the job, meanwhile there's so many other branches to step into that are just as (if not more) interesting and challenging. The only real difference usually is compensation, but even then if compensation is the main reason to get into it then I already dont believe it to be right fit for many people to get into.

    • @dekooks1543
      @dekooks1543 8 місяців тому

      came here to say that. This is very silicon valley centric. There's an entire world out there outside of big tech

  • @-ASTROMAGIC
    @-ASTROMAGIC 8 місяців тому +1

    5:47 I want to touch on this point because this never felt like it was the reality for the VAST majority of people who broke into tech over the last 6-7 years. Yeah, all of the cute "day in the life of a FAANG SWE" videos were nice but they were just selling a fantasy. It's clear that the market is garbage right now but it never seemed like it was "easy". I had a friend who graduated from one of the UCs and it took him more than 600 applications to land his first role, and this was in 2017. I have 2 colleagues that were completely self-taught and managed to break in during 2021 because their networking skills and ability to build trust were amongst the best of so many people I've met in tech.
    It is extremely rare that I met other programmers who managed to start their careers without any struggle, and now that struggle is even steeper.

    • @maalikserebryakov
      @maalikserebryakov 8 місяців тому

      Networking pill destroyed me
      I can’t even talk to my family never mind anyone else

  • @guillermomarindavila5779
    @guillermomarindavila5779 8 місяців тому

    As a venezuelan trying my best to find a remote job is not just virtually imposible, for non Us residents folks this has gotten way worse, but I won't lose hope on finding a job

  • @zachmanifold
    @zachmanifold 8 місяців тому +2

    I think about this a lot, too. I have no degree but I studied math/computer science for years while I worked small jobs like a grocery store and warehousing. I got my first data analyst role because I talked to someone at my warehouse job about math and that opened up a network of connections which lead me to my first job. That slowly progressed into data science where I am today and it's easier to find opportunities because of the connections I've built. This happened about 7 years ago.
    If I imagine myself starting over in today's world, it's incredibly difficult with so many people trying to break into the industry and seemingly all these opportunities being reduced. I empathize with all the new grads struggling out there; stay strong, friends.

  • @mistersunday_
    @mistersunday_ 9 місяців тому +28

    There is no more free money in the economy due to credit tightening (symptom of printing money during covid and funding wars), which is one of the reasons companies are cutting jobs, credit is no longer available. Companies can no longer pursue market valuation with the goal of being acquired, ie they stopped hiring and now they have to pivot towards turning a profit. Thanks to Elon's acquisition of Twitter and letting go of staff without the company imploding, this gave enough confidence for other employers to follow suit. Little did those who mocked him for that know that it would set up a template that would affect them as well. So it's a tragedy, one that was probably by our collective making, but incredibly insensitive to exploit for gain. Lives will be ruined and that is no light matter

    • @funginimp
      @funginimp 8 місяців тому +4

      People don't have the right to gainful employment irrespective of market viability. And, your life shouldn't be ruined when you get laid off from your high salary tech job unless you weren't saving anything. It's normal, and good, for companies to come and go so your work can be applied efficiently to gdp.

    • @yuvrajsau
      @yuvrajsau 8 місяців тому +1

      What do u think will happen after 4 yrs will the job market will decrease or get normal?(😅 cause I will be graduating in 2028😢😢😢)

    • @luka6575
      @luka6575 8 місяців тому +16

      @@funginimp People have the right for shelter and food. What about the plethora of people who spent so much money from school only to get laid off in their first job. Its not like the US has very good safety nets for its people. One bad heath malady and they are homeless.

    • @luka6575
      @luka6575 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@yuvrajsau The market will always be changing, always... You will have to learn or change for the market (as in truly learning a degree with effort). People as individuals can learn virtually anything and change their life to how they want to live. As an individual you can specialize and learn something employers cant just hire anywhere. If you are not happy... change and learn something else. If you are struggling because of the market please join clubs, gain connections, help your fellow worker. Companies dont care about you... the only way to be stable is to have connections and promoting workers support (through unions or voting).

    • @NikorouKitsunerou
      @NikorouKitsunerou 8 місяців тому +3

      @@yuvrajsau 2008-2011 was a 5-year arc and the iPhone was invented during that time. Think about what you want to do and find some kind of fun work to do in the meantime. Most people don't know what they will be doing in five minutes much less 5 years. Curling up in a ball isn't going to get you what you want. So do the best you can in every moment and set aside the beer money for future plans whenever you can. By the time you graduate, natural selection will push into your priorities, you will want to have a positive influence on whatever it is you wish to preserve and value.

  • @keepfeatherinitbrothaaaa
    @keepfeatherinitbrothaaaa 7 місяців тому

    8 years experience. Been working at a "safe" company in the medical field for 7 months now, putting in good work. People told me so, without me asking. Company fucked up majorly and realized they're way off their projected revenue and fired 20+ people. Fuck this shit.

  • @g_snipe
    @g_snipe 8 місяців тому

    My recommendation is to go find developers and entrepresneurs and meet up with them in person. Build personal projects. Computer science has so many different fields within it. Once you find it go on in and find others that are doing the same thing. Professional connections are very important.

  • @Just1JRay
    @Just1JRay 8 місяців тому

    I’ve been laid off from my last 2 jobs at startups and can confirm last time was hard, but this time is much harder.

  • @kspfan001
    @kspfan001 8 місяців тому +10

    there is no way around the fact there is very little any single individual can do. collective action is the only way to deal with systemic problems like this. it is time for developers, engineers, and tech workers in general to realize they need to organize & unionize with other kinds of workers.

    • @itsJoshW
      @itsJoshW 8 місяців тому +2

      I'm actually questioning how many people understand the intention of unions and how little they grasp what the actual issue is within the tech industry.
      A union won't fix the issue since the issue isn't related to abuse of employers. The issue is people either applying for jobs unattainable for them fresh out of college (loads of the people in these comments), or various people upset that there isn't a large quantity of coding jobs, but there is a large quantity of people applying for the selective available ones.
      The solution is for people to start learning alternative areas within IT as their services are easily transferable to various allocations. At least judging from the comments, almost everyone "exclusively" thinks the same thing as the directors at my college 10 years ago -- Other IT Services and Programming are only simply branches of the same tree.

    • @kspfan001
      @kspfan001 8 місяців тому +3

      @@itsJoshW This is incoherent cope based on nothing but your own warped morality.

    • @omgwat
      @omgwat 8 місяців тому

      What? Unionize for what? Bootcamps and low-skilled workers did this to themselves. The industry was flooded with garbage devs who were just trying to coast and get a paycheck. This is what happens.

  • @GeorgeCosarba
    @GeorgeCosarba 8 місяців тому +2

    I have a friend who finished up a bootcamp recently and is trying to find a job. Dont know how to tell him how screwed he is. I know excellent senior level devs who can't find jobs. Dont know how anyone could expect someone with zero experience to get jobs ahead of them.

    • @maalikserebryakov
      @maalikserebryakov 8 місяців тому

      By being well connected to Business owners and other devs

  • @msnbmnt
    @msnbmnt 8 місяців тому

    MIT math grad here. Graduated in Feb 2020. Have had a few ML data scientist jobs. Mostly lasting only a few months. Last role was 11 months before surprise layoff. Been applying since November. Only two interviews after 1000 applications. No traction or leads. Unemployment is running out. I'm scared.

  • @dxbgaming4813
    @dxbgaming4813 6 місяців тому

    I remember 10 years ago when almost all the devs motto in life is "make the world a better place".

  • @JacketyJohnson
    @JacketyJohnson 8 місяців тому +2

    Maybe not up to par in terms of editing, but this is main channel worthy.

  • @spageen
    @spageen 8 місяців тому +9

    I hope videos like these don’t discourage people from studying CS. Even when it’s tough, you’re in much better demand than most other industries out there. Please don’t give up!

    • @dekumutant
      @dekumutant 8 місяців тому +10

      Bruh what. Cs is in more demand than artists and that's pretty much it. People should be seriously reconsidering going into tech if they want job stability

    • @spageen
      @spageen 8 місяців тому +6

      @@dekumutant alright smarty pants, what should they study instead? Philosophy? Anthropology?

    • @EpicPhazee
      @EpicPhazee 8 місяців тому +16

      They should absolutely be discouraged. Most people are getting into CS for the money nowadays without the slightest interest in computing and tech. I teach freshmen in college, and it was disappointing to hear about the seemingly instant shift of freshmen taking CS for their inclination to computing and tech to just money. However, I am not too worried, CS is brutal, and these people usually shift out early on.

    • @trevormcgady6012
      @trevormcgady6012 8 місяців тому

      engineering lmao@@spageen

    • @3_smh_3
      @3_smh_3 8 місяців тому +1

      @@EpicPhazee the forced habit of eternal learning does dissuade and burn out a lot. hell, even I don't want to do it past 40 and just wanna build something at my own pace.

  • @pStabs
    @pStabs 8 місяців тому +1

    Hi been in tech for 20 years and am back in the job market after a decade. It's rough out here. Auto rejections are being received for my 20 year old education and I'm being ghosted despite having a very strong resume, quantifiable deliverables, and great references. Entry level positions are requiring 5+ years experience. I'm finding so many fake or ghost job postings and I've seen that salaries are dropping. It might be a good time for me to leave tech. I just don't know what I'm qualified to do.

    • @timgibney5590
      @timgibney5590 8 місяців тому +2

      Yeah. I saw senior level engineer positions going for 85k a year 😀. Redicilous. This is like 2009 all over again

    • @headlibrarian1996
      @headlibrarian1996 4 місяці тому

      @@timgibney5590 Seems worse than 2009.

  • @Kane0123
    @Kane0123 9 місяців тому +6

    Got my first and second job from interviews. The three after that were all referrals. Then I went solo.
    Glad I got my chances before it got too bad.
    Don’t be afraid to take a different path… plenty of talent needed in non-traditional spaces like RPA, BPM and Low-code.
    Might give you the breathing room to do what you actually enjoy in the next few years.

    • @sid4579
      @sid4579 8 місяців тому +2

      What is RPA and BPM

    • @Denastus
      @Denastus 8 місяців тому

      It may not apply to a CS degree, I'm currently in the process of getting an AA in IT. Does it still make sense for me to get a bachelor's degree or shift my studies entirely to a new degree?

    • @CFSworks
      @CFSworks 8 місяців тому

      @@sid4579 I also didn't know and had to look it up: Robotic process automation and business process modeling.

    • @Kane0123
      @Kane0123 7 місяців тому

      @@sid4579robotic process automation and business process management/modelling

  • @Dr.Kananga
    @Dr.Kananga 6 місяців тому +1

    All these shenanigans and companies still complaining they can't find workers and insult accusing them to be lazy. Go figure.

  • @Alcani3ca
    @Alcani3ca 8 місяців тому +2

    Government needs to start reducing the number of h1b visas they approve of

    • @johnyewtube2286
      @johnyewtube2286 5 місяців тому

      Based take, but politicians have been bought off. They will keep importing to lower the wages of the people that are already here.

  • @bennettwaisbren
    @bennettwaisbren 8 місяців тому

    Well this just made me substantially more pessimistic about my job hunt than I already was. Time to seriously start thinking about selling my house.

  • @ADHD101Thrive
    @ADHD101Thrive 4 місяці тому +1

    thats why CS as a career is a dying field you have to perpetually upscale at an exponetial rate and the lucrative pay rate of being a dev is no longer the thing anymore.

  • @anasouardini
    @anasouardini 8 місяців тому

    Here is how I see it, the main causes of job market's fatigue:
    - covid: 10% (and shrinking)
    - AI => 20% ( no idea how it's going to effect the market in the future)
    - "hiring less" trend => 20% (will shrink as the economy heals and competition increases)
    - recession => 50% (and growing, It'll probably take 3-5 years for the economy to get on its feet)

  • @RoccoWocco
    @RoccoWocco 8 місяців тому +2

    I do think that in the US especially people put a lot of attention to what company they work for. Like why do you need a job at a big tech company? Just go work for a smaller business it's totally fine. The company you work for does not define who you are! It's not important, assuming the smaller company is still striving for high quality code.

    • @timgibney5590
      @timgibney5590 8 місяців тому

      If you were a hiring manager who would you hire? Bob smith who worked for megacorp doing a few rudant apis and things. Or Marcus from Facebook who has cloud, nodejs, python, typescript, API integrations, nosql and sql databases, virtual reality, big query data sets etc? Marcus can bring in new fresh ideas that Bob can't and has done cool things. Of course Marcus gets the job!

    • @realkyunu
      @realkyunu 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@timgibney5590 And will Marcus apply for some small/mid company? Exactly

    • @timgibney5590
      @timgibney5590 8 місяців тому

      @@realkyunu Well with 15,000 out of work FAANG rockstars hell yeah! lol. Anyone over 30 who is not adept in the latest buzzwords won't make it past Taleo or Workday's applicant tracking system on LinkedIn. He is young and has 6 years experience on 6 year old technology that Bob hasn't even looked at it yet.

  • @difosfor
    @difosfor 8 місяців тому +18

    Weird.. As far as I know there's still a shortage of good devs just like before over here in the Netherlands. Perhaps the difference is we're not in silicon valley and we don't build companies on lots of huge investments into startups and so our profits and hiring have been relatively stable?

    • @difosfor
      @difosfor 8 місяців тому +4

      I mean, besides the point that we pay a lot less over here 😅

    • @BloodEyePact
      @BloodEyePact 8 місяців тому +5

      There's a shortage everywhere, but the key word is "good". The supply of developers doubles every few years, which means about half of all developers on the market have only 1-2 years. The unfortunately reality is that most of those developers are not yet assets, they are investments, and most companies want the safe bet of someone with proven results rather than gambling on training up someone new who might just jump ship in a year or two after they have their foot in the door. Remote work has made it worse in both directions, as now smaller companies (and smaller job markets like yours) have to compete with massive companies for the employees they could have gotten locally, and employees not in the top talent bracket have to compete with everyone around the country and around the world.

    • @ooijaz6063
      @ooijaz6063 8 місяців тому +6

      Same here, In Poland. The issue that I see is so many new grads are here for money and money only and they simply do not want to learn after hours anything new. They went for their CS degrees only to get paid more for doing less, and that's scary. I would say at least 70% percent poeple are like that rn.

    • @OneTwoFf
      @OneTwoFf 8 місяців тому +3

      There is shortage on good doctors, besides the point I want to pay less for the good doctors.

    • @unamanic
      @unamanic 8 місяців тому +3

      This is true the US as well especially outside of major tech hubs. Tech companies have their pick of skilled and qualified candidates, out here in the non-tech world we’ve got hundreds of thousands of tech positions open. Many of them remain vacant because we can’t find candidates that can pass even simple technical interviews.

  • @rivierasperduto7926
    @rivierasperduto7926 8 місяців тому

    It's harder I do agree, but I think it's also important to note that there are a couple of important points not mentioned here. The increased CS grads are a bell curve here with most being average - in this case and in my opinion these are the people that don't have any projects (or maybe a small number of small projects) that think I mainly need to get a degree and I'm ok.... they are not and won't be.
    There are also a lot of tech jobs still unfulfilled. People are being laid off yes but that doesn't mean that all those jobs were filled before because they were not and still are not. People are letting go of devs because they are expensive and the companies are running out of money / their predictions over the last couple of years went bust. Give these things another year or 2 and I think the situation will be much different. There is always a wave with these things, hiring/firing right? We are just on a downturn at the moment but I don't think it will continue to go this way

  • @user-qr4jf4tv2x
    @user-qr4jf4tv2x 8 місяців тому +3

    we need an ai that classifies bull crap when someone tweets

    • @gradientcube
      @gradientcube 8 місяців тому

      Community notes usually seem to do a good job..

  • @nanotichorizon9644
    @nanotichorizon9644 8 місяців тому

    Theo, that truly helped. Thank you bro.

  • @JpacamparaContentModeration
    @JpacamparaContentModeration 7 місяців тому

    When I was starting in tech, people even say that they will pay you a lot if you train their AI, for content moderation especially that big F brand. then offers you 500 USD a month with unpaid Overtimes fuck that.

  • @ianyourgod
    @ianyourgod 8 місяців тому +10

    i tried to find a summer internship yesterday. Some companies wanted a masters degree. for an internship.

    • @CaliburPANDAs
      @CaliburPANDAs 8 місяців тому +24

      if youre homeless, just buy a house bro

    • @capybara9802
      @capybara9802 8 місяців тому

      that makes zero sense they prob meant pursuing a masters degree. that or they were piloting a new position