I’m in the same boat currently. I’m just trying to diversify experience by going for IT and more business related positions. It is what it is. Maybe when we graduate things are different. CS degree is still seen as relatively prestigious even if there aren’t development jobs open
better yet : you'll write shitty webapps for random IT-service companies which use and abuse employees at high turnover rates. But, look at it like this : in the beginning of your career, absolutely every experience counts towards your overall qualification. After doing shitty jobs for about 3-5 years, you'll finally qualify for much, much better jobs, outside of the services sector. You will become a developer proper, then - with all the benefits you were hoping for. Just a few more years ... hold on, my guy - be strong.
Drop out and go to trade school, I'm not kidding. I have 7 years of experience. 1500 resumes over the last year have gotten me a whopping one interview. From here on out, increasingly all the creative intellectual work will be done by computers. People will pretty much just be physical workers, tradesmen, and salesmen
Just don't be stupid and go to Mechanical Engineering for your masters. Or Robotics. Just look around Mechanical Engineering and Robotics is going to be the next big thing. 100%
I did bootcamp last year, the bootcamp is now closed (after being open for 10+ years), they used to have 85% of students employed 3 months after graduating. Their source of income was the employers. Now, 1 year on, most of my cohort still aren't employed. The bootcamp is closed, and that beautiful optimism looks dark
i feel bad for the actual imposters (imo about 60% of front end) out there getting talked out the imposter syndrome they absolutely need to have to get better.
Influencers are contributing to the problem. Do you remember those "Day in the life of a FAANG developer" videos that were so popular? They made programming seem easy and everyone could make a six-figure salary while working on a MacBook in a coffee shop.
It's not the influencers behind it. Big companies exaggerated demand when they had money to burn. It looked good to investors when you hired a lot of people so that's what they did. Currently investors like to see downsizing, so that's what will happen. The way modern corporations work, the only thing that matters are the numbers at the end of the next quarter, they don't really plan beyond that.
I graduated last year and it took me until now to finally land a role. It wasn’t even skillful. A recruiter called me up and of the available candidates, I was the one who could start the earliest. Now I make $19/hr packaging laptops for new employees of a company. I’m so glad I got a 4-year degree for that.
You are 100% correct about the mass applications. My company put up a posting for a tech position and got 2,000 applications in 1 day, after which HR forced us to take down the posting.
Eng Dir here. It’s a slaughter house atm. I’m basically a glorified staff eng now, who has teams a quarter their original size. Had to merge multiple teams and cut mgrs or have them be glorified tech leads. Everything is running at a snail pace and they expect us to ‘chatGPT’ our way out. Our devs are now also security, SREs, qa, and support and I haven’t been able to payout bonuses or give raises. And this as isn’t a small operation, we’re global. They’re waiting until they can sell or covert their entire tech dept into one guy with a ChatGPT subscription. Anyone who says it’s easy is full of s***
Yeah. I am at a company and realized that I am doing application admin/support (a full-time job), procurement (another full-time job), and project management/sales support (yet another full-time job).
same problem is happening in cyber security. entry level jobs are asking for mid senior level certifications and and 2-3 years experience like... i haven't even graduated college💀
@@Craig-Be because colleges want students and money (be it profit directly or grants) first and foremost, and that doesn't necessarily equate to employed alumni. If they see an economic incentive to open a major, they will, even if the long-term "employability" of those students doesn't hold. Considering that your average student is barely 18yo, the way they advertise college is pretty much a scam.
The key to getting a job in the tech industry is to apply to entry level jobs. Cyber Security, or Information Security, is not entry level. Entry level is Help Desk. You start at the bottom, then work up. I'd also argue programming is also entry level, which makes this video all the more arbitrary -- I've watched countless of jobs appear online in my location with less than 50k offering for programming, and yet networking administration/engineers, systems administration/engineers, and technical application implementation/pm, along with cyber security, all provide far exceedingly above this pay range. You're likely to get an entry level security engineer job after a little experience within a companies help desk, but to consider it a "straight out of college" is a large chunk why so many people are unqualified for tech jobs in the first place. Most cheat to get their degrees, then after they get them. I've encountered in the last 5 years a large quantity of people with Computer Sciences degrees that called Ethernet 'eth-er"net (like the soft 'e'), didn't know what the event viewer was, or had no idea what a SQL Database was...let alone a VLAN or how to setup a firewall rule. Expecting these people to be in charge of systems which directly are related to profit in a corporation is entirely facetious. Simple plain point: If you want into Cyber Security, start while in college, not after. If you want to get into cyber security, then you apply for help desk in a company and wait for an opening, or stay for the year to gain experience, and slowly progress up. You can't expect immediate success because you have a piece of paper. For a secondary "lol", most of the highest paid tech jobs are unrelated to your typical computer science degree.
Web dev here looking for a job. Thank you for putting this out there, it's so true. I have 11 years in this space and I'm 330 applications in. It's brutal out there. The spam employers are getting is real!
@@dmitrykim3096It has nothing to do with salary my dude, I've applied for 250+ regardless of salary since around September of last year (with some as low as $15/hr) I've had one SINGLE interview scheduled and it was canceled the week before because they found someone else
I'm in my final semester of college right now, and I've been applying to jobs non-stop over the past few months, but I've have no luck and have yet to get an interview. It is extremely frustrating to say the least. I've solved like a 1000 problems on leetcode and worked on several projects but no one seems to want to give me a chance to prove myself. I'm not gonna give up though, because I believe in myself and I just need someone else to see that I am a valuable asset. Keep marching y'all!
Yea the guys saying its a skill issue either have a job or have no clue or both. Lots of people out there masquerading as good developers competing for these handful of jobs. I mean 1000s and add in the foreign developers in our job markets. Forget it.
Individuals who say it's a skill issue are unempathetic assholes, that's it. They can do a simple google search and see the number of laid off individuals plus new CS degree holders coming into the market, but they choose to put down people who are out of work instead. It's anti-social behavior.
My first job in the tech space was also complete luck. My old boss just happened to be friends with a CEO that was looking for someone. I had built a lot of trust with my previous boss, not even working in tech, and that was enough for a recommendation and for the CEO to take a chance on me. There was never a public job opening for anyone else.
Started college during Covid and only now realizing how many things and connections I missed out on during that valuable time. I’m now graduating with loads of extremely diverse experience from internships in tech. I have strong resume for a fresh grad, that would land me an amazing job in tech 2-3 years ago. Now I’m just struggling to get an interview. Something that helps me is the fact that I have Computer Engineering degree, and probably the reason I have a good offer after graduation from my most recent internship.
The "I'm struggling to get an interview" is directly because you're applying for jobs you are not qualified for. People need to realize that you aren't going to get a job in this field immediately. You work at the bottom, and you work your way up. Tech is one of the only industries that exists where the "american dream" philosophy (where hard work and experience) pays off. You start at an entry level position, despite your connections and your internship, because the employers do not care about what you did in college lol. My first tech job required me to apply to over 100 different jobs in the course of a month, with only a handful of call backs and only a few offers. That was over 10 years ago now. This market hasn't changed. What's changed is clickbait and peoples misunderstanding of what they're qualified with no experience.
@@club2772 Agreed, graduated in 2016 and I don't keep a single connection with people from my University. And I studied on weekends so most of them were already working in IT at the time.
I like this side of you, Theo. You're absolutely right. Between when I graduated and and now, 15 years later, the market has no similarity. And people mean tweeting at the young kids just sounds so boomer.
Thank you so much for bringing this up man. As a software engineer that got laid off two years ago. Is even harder for me to succeed in the tech world. A lot of people actually say that it is important that you focus on one programming language or skill, but when you're in job hunting, you have to know it all and there is no time to master anything. Every job asks you for a different technology or coding skill and you will never feel enough. Up to this point, I'll say fuck it, I'll go and work for myself and build tools and apps tham can fulfill me instead of a fucking company...
People everywhere always have preferred to hire based on trusted connections. You can complain about it if you want but you need to acknowledge it if you want to understand the reality of the market.
Month 3 of my layoff starts in a couple days. I am a senior-level data analyst with a good resume and I would say reasonably good experience. 250 jobs applied to (many of them roles referred to me by people in my network). I think it’s 6 companies that asked me to interview. So basically a 0.2% interview rate. And as much as I want to go into how sorry I feel for myself, I really feel for the new grads/entry level folks. You guys were sold a lie on a tremendous scale, and now here we are in this unemployment circlejerk.
@@NoahSteckley I think data science is not properly defined at most companies and most put it out there as machine learning engineer which is mostly research focused for PHDs levels
The problem is that tech people think this is a tech only problem. This is happening in many many industries as well. Interest rates are high which leads to lower investment and there was over hiring this isn’t a forever thing
As someone that has gotten their bachelors and master's in computer science and 2yrs of relevant experience thinking getting a job wouldn't be too hard, then going through the worst time job hunting, I really appreciate hearing this from you man! Thank you for putting it into perspective for everyone.
Don't put that much focus on education. I recently interviewed someone with master's and it was embarrassing because he was barely able to write Hello World program.
I remember when I first started studying CS, nobody was doing it. Then it became trendy, and everyone wanted to be in Computer Science. Too many people saw the nice salaries and insane labor demand and thought it would be an easy career, and now the market corrected and it's now way too over-saturated, in particular full of people who don't actually care or have any passion about the industry and making quality software, they're just there to make money. Which is unfortunate to those who are truly in it because they're passionate about building cool stuff.
If you’re so passionate and special then a bunch of indian script kiddies showing up shouldn’t hurt you. You should be outcompeting all of these jobbers.
Those layoffs lists do not count a smaller scale incidents like 2-4 people laid off. In my company of 60-something 4 people have been recently fired as there was no projects for them.
Yeah was thinking the same as well when checking out that website, I've been at two smaller end places that completely shut up shop for tech roles in 2022 and 2023. There is also the whole other dynamic of places just straight up not hiring people anymore or stopping wage growth, very crappy times tbh.
@guymontag5084 Effects of firing vs layoff depend on the country or the contract type. For many cases it's the same thing and doesn't affect unemployment benefits
I took half a year off and started looking for jobs again. It's tough out there. And I'm a good developer with some really solid projects shipped under my belt.
@ChineseRatfaceCHANG Good enough to provide direct value and turn business requirements into working software. I did get a project at a really good place though since I wrote this. But the gold rush is over, I'm going to be writing software that is going to be used in a factory. The age of "facebook for dogs", "uber for dads" etc is over imo.
I've been out of work since November. It's nice to know that I'm not the only one struggling. Even when I do a technical assessment, there's ZERO room for error. The second you mess up, you're chalked off for someone else who doesn't flinch.
God yes this. I have tons of anxiety doing code pairing tests and at best it makes me ‘slow’ and at worst I blank. I don’t have a chance with these and every one I do makes my anxiety worse. It’s awful.
I need to add that: being unqualified is not something to blame people about all the time, some times the market gets so saturated, and you skills are not enough even if you know a lot.
Anyone can spam on indeed. Always pay for Linked IN Pro and never do the easy apply as they get drowned out and then message the recuiter. Many indeed posters are scam jobs that were filled over a year ago but never taken down
As someone who has had to take time after graduation to take care of my family (eg non-trad backgrounds), this problem feels even more extreme where the way I have been spending my time and growing is not easily translateable to a resume.
@guymontag5084 I’m curious on the exact math on this. I’m sure now is a good time to run a seed startup. You could hire a team of five top notch engineers for $500k. But I imagine now’s a terrible time to run a Series B or C startup. But I imagine that Series B/C startups that got funding before interest rates went up are in the best state of all.
Yeah but those people are gonna want to work st their previous salary range, so you're gonna spend loads on them cause they were overpaid, plus little VC funding and high interests rates mean you're gonna have a lot of trouble finding money to pay these people
@@therealjezzyc6209 I’m sure they want to work at their previous salary, but if nobody else is giving them a job, I doubt they’d turn you down. It’s an employer’s market. You can get senior engineers at a discount. And if that doesn’t work, you can hire junior engineers for even cheaper.
Very very hard in 2024 to find a tech job as a fresh graduate. Almost impossible with no connection / internship. I attempted to search a job on my own and got 1 call in over 100 applications. Even with a 4.3 GPA, volunteer work, multiple hackathons participation, multiple scholarships, engagement at school, a research project... I ended up asking people I knew and very quickly found opportunities, a friend referral and a job. Salary is 60k which isn't what was sold to me when I went in this field. But the current market is just atrocious
After college, I did bootcamp 5 years ago. They taught me many soft skills, git, JS, React, Redux, Ruby, Rails, Postgresql data structures, algorithms, interviewing, and job search. Got employed 3 months after finishing it. Now the bootcamp is not accepting people anymore because they cannot guarantee that you will get a job.
Im based in Ireland. The company I work for, which is a Cali based large tech company, has openly said that they are putting an emphasis on growing their international offices moreso than their US ones. This is often because they can hire CS grads at a fraction of the cost. My salary is about 1/3 of what they would need to pay a US based dev of the same experience, so theres a big incentive for bigger companies with international offices to look for talent in other countries.
This should be illegal. Someone without US work status should not be able to work for US company. If its "Illegal" for illegal immigrant to get the job in US without paperwork it should be illegal to hire outside of USA for USA company. This takes away jobs from USA
@DroisKargva It is. That's not what happened. Workday also registered a company in Ireland, and the Irish employees work for that entity that is registered in Ireland. All multinational companies are free to register entities wherever they please and hire from whichever countries suit them, for better or worse.
I am in the UK and the tech market is rough atm, 2023 was a stinker of a year and whilst 2024 things have picked up ever so slightly, it's still not in a good position. It's really tough at the entry level/grad/junior end of the scale as most roles are mid - senior level. People are saying companies over hired during pandemic etc etc, here in the UK, economic uncertainty is at an all time high and companies are reducing spendings etc.
Why is nobody mentioning that the number of layoffs is global AFAICT, whilst the CS student number is for the US? Just China and India by itself probably is around one million. And that's not even talking about layoffs.fyi not just tracking developer (some source articles don't specify the type of jobs at all, and at least one explicitedly includes a department like marketing). I know I am late to the party and nobody will see this comment, but as far as I can tell this video doesn't make any sense to me.
The other problem is that companies are actually garbage at hiring too. Experienced devs don't want to put up with leetcode grind bullshit and are more likely to just go find a job in a different industry than put up with that bullshit again.
It's horrifying and i fully predicted it years ago when they started the bootcamps and i was hearing about all these waves of millions of high paying tech jobs you can do from home in the future, i knew it was gonna generate a flood of kids in CS and that flood was going to vastly overwhelm the demand at the time and i knew also that predictions of millions of coming jobs were bloated to say the least. There's nothing that can be done to fix this, these kids need to find alternative careers and those of us already in tech should really start thinking about alternatives or about setting up self-employment, even if you don't get laid off, your salary isn't going to be what you dreamed of or what recruiters from 5 years ago might been promissing, that era is gone, programming is no longer a high paying job and you're in competition with people in third world countries making pennies.
@@0oShwavyo0 They won't be for very long, the biggest problem isn't even just the high amount of kids coming in and how everyone and their mothers are doing bootcamps and stuff, it's outsourcing and that's what was massively worsened by the Covid thing. Companies went full remote and now prefer to hire someone for pennies in Asia as opposed to hiring you in the USA for five times the money. When the company is remote anyways it makes no difference where the talent is, the competition pool is now global and that is going to lower the salaries massively if you're in a first-world country that used to have high wages in tech. If you already have a job they're not gonna lower your wage obviously, you'll just get laid off eventually and then forced to accept lower pay elsewhere as nobody will re-hire you for the same amount you were earning before, but supply and demand always win out, you cannot maintain high wages in a job where there are a lot of desperate applicants and not a lot of demand
There are no other jobs that pay this much sorry just aren't I can't make a living to regular stuff. With that said a lot of the folks as frontend boot camps. Also the companies we need companies and real solutions. Not just jobs adding a a extra camera to a phone
@dekmutant I am in the US, just like Theo and probably the majority of this channel’s viewers. Besides, the same appears to be true for most European markets from a little cursory research. I’m not saying programmer’s are earning faang money everywhere, but the average software dev salaries are always higher than the average salary across all industries. They’re not low paying jobs by any means
Yuuup, startup went almost bankrupt last July and we all got laid off. I can count on one hand the number of companies I’ve interviewed with since, and 12 months prior I was getting so many interviews it was a challenge (interviewing is exhausting). I’m a strong candidate but not the 99th percentile, at least not on paper. It’s not fun.
who's to blame? giant tech companies for overhiring (to fake their value and growth), influencers showing how easy the life of a dev is in giant tech companies (mostly because of the overhiring) and a blind conviction that AI is going to solve all problems (which will not).
I worked in ecom management. Two years of studies and 2 more in a company. When i graduated there were hundreds upon hundreds of job ads on linkedin every month. This month ive found 5 in my entire country that are actually hiring for my role, while the rest are warehouse openings? Yea the job market is a interesting place
Thank you for being realistic. Got my first dev job this year but it was hard. I even had connections with two principal engineers at a company one of which was a close friend with 20yrs experience who I code with regularly. Even then, I didn’t get an interview and lost the spot to someone who was internal within the company.
The more I see the job market, the happier I am to have decided to work for the government. Even though wages can be a little bit lower (it depends, where I work it's actually higher), better work conditions and not being let go are excellent advantages. I never felt threatened or pressured to overwork and I haven't worked a single weekend (10 years experience)
This reminds me a lot of when I was in architecture school between 2006-2011... Experienced architects were applying for intern jobs while I was looking for my first internship... that was really discouraging.
@@nonamenolastname8501 I see where it comes from, at least in my country being a dev without a degree rewards much more than being an engineer with university education. I have an electrical engineer degree (4 years professional program), worked as an industrial automation engineer for 3 years. Switched to IT via a bootcamp and already got around 2x as a junior dev. This is messed up so bad, it's crazy
I think we can blame devs for the huge layoffs. All this automating stuff to make your life easier and AI has shown that we can get more done in the tech industry with fewer "more competent" developers.
I mean what did people expect. 130k new CS degrees is already oversaturating the market. remove low interest rates and companies actually feel the need to make money and not burn billions staffing thousands of redundant positions or incompetent workers.
From my personal experience, the job market is still okay for non-tech businesses hiring workers for the not so glamorous tech stacks. Pretty much nobody wants to work as a mainframe dev these days, but I know a lot of people who get hired, or are hiring for those roles. I think a lot of people go to school and really want into silicon valley, and want to work on the mainstream and popular languages and frameworks and do something amazing. You can make a pretty good living just being an average dev maintaining a legacy system at a non tech company though. Just sayin. And the job security is significantly better too. These non-tech companies aren't going to throw away their devs as easily.
Underpid and take any contract job and use a bottom barrell recruiter. Yes you will only pull 80k with no benefits. But it beats being unemployed and have a gap now filled on your resume. Remember you need to be an eagle in a sea of chickens to stick out. Unemployed people are never hired in a recession. Only people who do not need the job. In a year to a year and a half quit the crappy contract gig and apply to a rea job again. Those who now have a 2 year gap will be working bestbuy and be permanently out of the IT field and you will stay in
@@timgibney5590 That sounds gross but I agree. Forget silicon valley working on the cutting edge. Move to a low cost of living area, find a mom and pop's software consulting firm, work on unglamorous local contracts (government, utility companies, native corporations, etc.) keeping the lights on for their legacy systems. Make a living for a year or two then go from there. Live frugally, hustle, network, gain skills when you can, stay out of trouble, grind grind grind. Oh and become a US citizen if you're not - more options in government etc. Good luck to all 🤜🖤
@@destructionman1 I said this as I ended up leaving IT as I graduated in 2009. My god talk about the rug pulled under me. No one outside of fast food and a substitute teacher position would hire me while my friends who graduated in 2008 all bought houses grrrr. By 2011 I got contract help desk jobs and 8 years later I ended up back in the game. It sucked and was let go of a few contract roles. Ouch but hey HR stopped asking about gaps and saying 2009 was bad will just make them roll their eyes lol.
im a programmer (or "developer") but i also make music and i see this dynamic with producers sending instrumentals to artists. these artists get sooooo many beats sent to them that they NEVER check their email or messages from new producers. As a matter of fact, i once sent a tweet asking people to send me instrumentals, i got so many emails i couldnt even check them anymore and im not even an established artist. replace artist with company and its the same situation. connections are EVERYTHING!
oh I didn't know that! That's interesting. I would've thought it was the opposite because so much music feels like repeats of old stuff and feels so predictable. I wonder if most demos sound the same?
@@prodbyryshy We also don’t have good ways of Sifting through Music. No one really feels desparate to shortlist all the music in the world. So big companies will dominate
me is good example. I graduated last year, still coulnot find a tech job. I applied over 600 job application and most of them are internship ( not even a real job), and rejected rate about 99%.
Now that some HR uses AI to handle the massive volume of applications, imagine how many resumes are discarded by the algorithm and there's no way to know why, no way to give a feedback. Looking for a job is dehumanizing nowadays.
Beat the system. There are a few job serach tools that use the same algorithms. Basically the company says some busswords about CDI integrations, pipelines, and is obtuse. Create a cover letter with the same terms (do not cut and paste as AI will detect this). Change your verbs on your resume to match the buzzwords. Instead of performed X on upgrade to node.js say intregrated CDI with Pipeline on upgrade to node.js. Your phone will blow up :-D
For those searching, if you're open to it, defense contracting can be a good option. You won't make as much as faang but you'll be compensated well enough (probably 70-80k for entry level) and shouldn't have to worry much about being overworked. I no longer work for one but i feel like my friends that still work there are always complaining about needing more devs
I hope videos like these don’t discourage people from studying CS. Even when it’s tough, you’re in much better demand than most other industries out there. Please don’t give up!
Bruh what. Cs is in more demand than artists and that's pretty much it. People should be seriously reconsidering going into tech if they want job stability
They should absolutely be discouraged. Most people are getting into CS for the money nowadays without the slightest interest in computing and tech. I teach freshmen in college, and it was disappointing to hear about the seemingly instant shift of freshmen taking CS for their inclination to computing and tech to just money. However, I am not too worried, CS is brutal, and these people usually shift out early on.
@@EpicPhazee the forced habit of eternal learning does dissuade and burn out a lot. hell, even I don't want to do it past 40 and just wanna build something at my own pace.
Half a million layoffs in the last 2 years is just insanity. I'm in game dev so I have that fun to contend with as well just now, but it's so disheartening before even applying seeing 2k+ applications for postings a day or two old, these layoffs don't even show the fact places are just cutting back as well or how pay has crashed. Fair enough I live in the UK but min wage for dev work requiring degrees, years of experience and several rounds of interviews can gtfo.
Holy cow... May I ask what country you work in? Because I work as a developer in Ukraine, one of the poorest countries in Europe, and yet I earn $700/month ($8400/year) in this poor-ass country during the war with russia, considering the fact that I have no commercial development experience and I'm not even a full-stack web developer (only backend on Node.js).
I worked with a programmer with a degree in computer science, but the quality of the code they showcased was like mine when I was in high school starting to learn how to code. Most people I feel like faked their way to getting that degree in computer science to get a high paying job. That would also make sense why so many companies are laying off people. People when they see money will try to take it leaving talent with nothing.
People saying not being able to get a job right now is a skill issue either haven't been laid off themselves or they haven't looked for a job in a long time.
I also believe people put themselves into a corner and refuse to apply to other branches and only want to be in "big tech". Of course the market is then going to be competitive and hard to get into, if most likely all of your competition is gunning for the same jobs. Personally, I wouldnt even want to touch big tech or the big FAANG companies with a 10 foot pole, but also because being European I would probably hate the work culture regardless. Or atleast, that's how I've noticed it. The layoffs all are basically only in that area of the job, meanwhile there's so many other branches to step into that are just as (if not more) interesting and challenging. The only real difference usually is compensation, but even then if compensation is the main reason to get into it then I already dont believe it to be right fit for many people to get into.
Worked IT for the last half decade. Currently ditching it to become a chippy. Pays easier to earn and the b9ss doesn't want to fire me just to save a buck or replace me with chatgpt. Does wonders for your mental health not having that to deal with. IT treats its employees like shit. Not worth the wage.
My recommendation is to go find developers and entrepresneurs and meet up with them in person. Build personal projects. Computer science has so many different fields within it. Once you find it go on in and find others that are doing the same thing. Professional connections are very important.
I think about this a lot, too. I have no degree but I studied math/computer science for years while I worked small jobs like a grocery store and warehousing. I got my first data analyst role because I talked to someone at my warehouse job about math and that opened up a network of connections which lead me to my first job. That slowly progressed into data science where I am today and it's easier to find opportunities because of the connections I've built. This happened about 7 years ago. If I imagine myself starting over in today's world, it's incredibly difficult with so many people trying to break into the industry and seemingly all these opportunities being reduced. I empathize with all the new grads struggling out there; stay strong, friends.
As a venezuelan trying my best to find a remote job is not just virtually imposible, for non Us residents folks this has gotten way worse, but I won't lose hope on finding a job
I absolutely despise senior devs who shit on junior devs for not being senior devs. WHERE DO SENIOR DEVS COME FROM BOZO, DO THEY GROW OUT OF THE GROUND?
There is no more free money in the economy due to credit tightening (symptom of printing money during covid and funding wars), which is one of the reasons companies are cutting jobs, credit is no longer available. Companies can no longer pursue market valuation with the goal of being acquired, ie they stopped hiring and now they have to pivot towards turning a profit. Thanks to Elon's acquisition of Twitter and letting go of staff without the company imploding, this gave enough confidence for other employers to follow suit. Little did those who mocked him for that know that it would set up a template that would affect them as well. So it's a tragedy, one that was probably by our collective making, but incredibly insensitive to exploit for gain. Lives will be ruined and that is no light matter
People don't have the right to gainful employment irrespective of market viability. And, your life shouldn't be ruined when you get laid off from your high salary tech job unless you weren't saving anything. It's normal, and good, for companies to come and go so your work can be applied efficiently to gdp.
@@funginimp People have the right for shelter and food. What about the plethora of people who spent so much money from school only to get laid off in their first job. Its not like the US has very good safety nets for its people. One bad heath malady and they are homeless.
@@yuvrajsau The market will always be changing, always... You will have to learn or change for the market (as in truly learning a degree with effort). People as individuals can learn virtually anything and change their life to how they want to live. As an individual you can specialize and learn something employers cant just hire anywhere. If you are not happy... change and learn something else. If you are struggling because of the market please join clubs, gain connections, help your fellow worker. Companies dont care about you... the only way to be stable is to have connections and promoting workers support (through unions or voting).
@@yuvrajsau 2008-2011 was a 5-year arc and the iPhone was invented during that time. Think about what you want to do and find some kind of fun work to do in the meantime. Most people don't know what they will be doing in five minutes much less 5 years. Curling up in a ball isn't going to get you what you want. So do the best you can in every moment and set aside the beer money for future plans whenever you can. By the time you graduate, natural selection will push into your priorities, you will want to have a positive influence on whatever it is you wish to preserve and value.
And not all layoffs have been from tech companies. The numbers on layoffs.fyi are conservative based on verifiable reports. For every job still available at a non-tech company, there's probably been 3 layoffs at non-tech companies, and non-tech companies still aren't listing jobs
If you think working in tech is dystopian, wait till you see how non-tech companies treat their tech people. Good for getting your "foot in the door" though if you're just starting your career.
I wonder if this is mostly a US problem, or if it expands out further. A lot of this was supposedly based on layoffs from major US tech companies, so it is unclear to me whether the same is also the case in say EU.
software devs are exponentially more prevalent, and there’s a massive disconnect between the CEOs and hiring managers and the people looking for jobs, causing an even greater gap most of the people who study and graduate from my faculty want to be web devs, and nearly no company even wants them cause they’re full of them at first i wanted to make games and even my own engine, but then the market became highly saturated with slop now i’m focusing on bioinformatics and robotics, and i pray these positions won’t be taken by people who understand little about the complexity of genetics and nanotechnology
I'm curious how you could get into bioinformatics and robotics, I actually am interested in learning about more about nanotech. Do you have any good resources where I can actually develop a better understanding of them? Like papers, youtubers, books, etc?
@@beau981 this is all from my university, but i’ll make a reply with some materials and pointers it started with robotics first, then saw there was a course on bioinformatics, and now i’m taking classes that dive deeper into the human body i’m still at the baseline for all of this, but from what i’ve learned, you should absolutely learn about genetic functions - replication and translation, sequence alignment, and motifs - and if you’re interested in reading papers, there are a few interesting ones regarding CRISPR-Cas9, one of which is from just this february iirc, where it goes in detail about trials and the ethics of using this system for genetic modification, but also its advantages this is all i can give from what i remember, but i will make sure to follow up and put up some specific materials i’ve also seen a book or two at a local library about nanotechnology, so i’ll try to find its name and publishing date, however, this is still out of my range of knowledge, so i can’t guide you got this, as i am yet to take a class on this topic (which will probably be postgrad)
5:47 I want to touch on this point because this never felt like it was the reality for the VAST majority of people who broke into tech over the last 6-7 years. Yeah, all of the cute "day in the life of a FAANG SWE" videos were nice but they were just selling a fantasy. It's clear that the market is garbage right now but it never seemed like it was "easy". I had a friend who graduated from one of the UCs and it took him more than 600 applications to land his first role, and this was in 2017. I have 2 colleagues that were completely self-taught and managed to break in during 2021 because their networking skills and ability to build trust were amongst the best of so many people I've met in tech. It is extremely rare that I met other programmers who managed to start their careers without any struggle, and now that struggle is even steeper.
there is no way around the fact there is very little any single individual can do. collective action is the only way to deal with systemic problems like this. it is time for developers, engineers, and tech workers in general to realize they need to organize & unionize with other kinds of workers.
I'm actually questioning how many people understand the intention of unions and how little they grasp what the actual issue is within the tech industry. A union won't fix the issue since the issue isn't related to abuse of employers. The issue is people either applying for jobs unattainable for them fresh out of college (loads of the people in these comments), or various people upset that there isn't a large quantity of coding jobs, but there is a large quantity of people applying for the selective available ones. The solution is for people to start learning alternative areas within IT as their services are easily transferable to various allocations. At least judging from the comments, almost everyone "exclusively" thinks the same thing as the directors at my college 10 years ago -- Other IT Services and Programming are only simply branches of the same tree.
What? Unionize for what? Bootcamps and low-skilled workers did this to themselves. The industry was flooded with garbage devs who were just trying to coast and get a paycheck. This is what happens.
May I interject something? I work in a global team and our company has multiple other global teams as well. and what i see common in all those teams is, American devs are least likely to adapt to new tech quickly. Its almost feels like that they have background in something and they want to stay true to that only. They think what they learnt in Bootcamps or school or during PG is the only thing Industry is using. As a senior dev, my advise will be to move fast and slash hard! You are competing on a global scale! Alot 2 hours per day to learning tech, and you feel the difference.
8 years experience. Been working at a "safe" company in the medical field for 7 months now, putting in good work. People told me so, without me asking. Company fucked up majorly and realized they're way off their projected revenue and fired 20+ people. Fuck this shit.
Got my first and second job from interviews. The three after that were all referrals. Then I went solo. Glad I got my chances before it got too bad. Don’t be afraid to take a different path… plenty of talent needed in non-traditional spaces like RPA, BPM and Low-code. Might give you the breathing room to do what you actually enjoy in the next few years.
It may not apply to a CS degree, I'm currently in the process of getting an AA in IT. Does it still make sense for me to get a bachelor's degree or shift my studies entirely to a new degree?
I do think that in the US especially people put a lot of attention to what company they work for. Like why do you need a job at a big tech company? Just go work for a smaller business it's totally fine. The company you work for does not define who you are! It's not important, assuming the smaller company is still striving for high quality code.
If you were a hiring manager who would you hire? Bob smith who worked for megacorp doing a few rudant apis and things. Or Marcus from Facebook who has cloud, nodejs, python, typescript, API integrations, nosql and sql databases, virtual reality, big query data sets etc? Marcus can bring in new fresh ideas that Bob can't and has done cool things. Of course Marcus gets the job!
@@realkyunu Well with 15,000 out of work FAANG rockstars hell yeah! lol. Anyone over 30 who is not adept in the latest buzzwords won't make it past Taleo or Workday's applicant tracking system on LinkedIn. He is young and has 6 years experience on 6 year old technology that Bob hasn't even looked at it yet.
thats why CS as a career is a dying field you have to perpetually upscale at an exponetial rate and the lucrative pay rate of being a dev is no longer the thing anymore.
It's harder I do agree, but I think it's also important to note that there are a couple of important points not mentioned here. The increased CS grads are a bell curve here with most being average - in this case and in my opinion these are the people that don't have any projects (or maybe a small number of small projects) that think I mainly need to get a degree and I'm ok.... they are not and won't be. There are also a lot of tech jobs still unfulfilled. People are being laid off yes but that doesn't mean that all those jobs were filled before because they were not and still are not. People are letting go of devs because they are expensive and the companies are running out of money / their predictions over the last couple of years went bust. Give these things another year or 2 and I think the situation will be much different. There is always a wave with these things, hiring/firing right? We are just on a downturn at the moment but I don't think it will continue to go this way
How is this so different in the US than abroad? I applied for a DevOps engineering role at a huge national news company in my country just through their careers website like you said. They hired me after two interviews (one in person) while I was still doing my final internship before graduating. I have now graduated and am working there. How is it so different over there lol? Granted, tech jobs in the US pay way more than they do here, probably close to double (excluding the fact you'd have to pay for expensive things like a car commute and health insurance)
the problem are tech companies, the market is so saturated and people still want to get in. to find a job easier you should go for the non tech companies (like you did)
this is totally right and because of the Generative AI the jobs in the market have less value and they pay very less and I am specifically talking about the jobs market in tech industry. I have seen them throughout last year until now I’m still struggling to find a decent job.
Company: We value a great work culture, with supportive colleagues and the environment to truly excel..... 8 months later: sorry dude, off you pop, we don't need you anymore. Oh and btw, our CEO's have got big bonuses for steering us through these bad times where we only made $353m in profit.......
Meanwhile, Mark Zuckerberg also lays off thousands for "efficiency", and then proceeds to spend $60 billion on stock buybacks literally in the same week as a layoff, while blowing through tens of billions on a pet project that everyone else knows will never be profitable under his leadership. Stock went book, billionaire Mark's net worth doubled again, and tens of thousands of people are unemployed. That, to me, is far more sinister. The fact that these tech companies CAN afford to keep everyone, they would just rather boost their stock price a little bit instead.
lol thats the funny thing. Its not enough that they make masiive profits....if their massive e profits arent more than last years massive profits...then they "cant" retain workers. The real problem is corporate culture and capitalism.
MIT math grad here. Graduated in Feb 2020. Have had a few ML data scientist jobs. Mostly lasting only a few months. Last role was 11 months before surprise layoff. Been applying since November. Only two interviews after 1000 applications. No traction or leads. Unemployment is running out. I'm scared.
this video makes me super happy as a 2nd year CS student.. can't wait to be an uber driver after I graduate
I’m in the same boat currently. I’m just trying to diversify experience by going for IT and more business related positions. It is what it is. Maybe when we graduate things are different. CS degree is still seen as relatively prestigious even if there aren’t development jobs open
Dont wait till graduation
better yet : you'll write shitty webapps for random IT-service companies which use and abuse employees at high turnover rates.
But, look at it like this : in the beginning of your career, absolutely every experience counts towards your overall qualification. After doing shitty jobs for about 3-5 years, you'll finally qualify for much, much better jobs, outside of the services sector. You will become a developer proper, then - with all the benefits you were hoping for. Just a few more years ... hold on, my guy - be strong.
Drop out and go to trade school, I'm not kidding. I have 7 years of experience. 1500 resumes over the last year have gotten me a whopping one interview.
From here on out, increasingly all the creative intellectual work will be done by computers. People will pretty much just be physical workers, tradesmen, and salesmen
Just don't be stupid and go to Mechanical Engineering for your masters. Or Robotics. Just look around Mechanical Engineering and Robotics is going to be the next big thing. 100%
I did bootcamp last year, the bootcamp is now closed (after being open for 10+ years), they used to have 85% of students employed 3 months after graduating. Their source of income was the employers. Now, 1 year on, most of my cohort still aren't employed. The bootcamp is closed, and that beautiful optimism looks dark
name of bootcamp?
Dont do bootcamps its all a scam
@@Moch117 False there are some good ones
Never believed in them. How much camaraderie can you really build with people who you only spend a few weeks with?
@@yunleung2631 I'm still friends with a large chunk of my cohort (and some of the cohorts after me.) 2017 botocamp grad
Damn, I have a ton of respect for you standing up for those struggling in the tech community. You're a real one
i feel bad for the actual imposters (imo about 60% of front end) out there getting talked out the imposter syndrome they absolutely need to have to get better.
Influencers are contributing to the problem. Do you remember those "Day in the life of a FAANG developer" videos that were so popular? They made programming seem easy and everyone could make a six-figure salary while working on a MacBook in a coffee shop.
no
@@kspfan001 Elaborate, please. You can't just say "no' and expect people to understand your point.
In a gold rush, you sell and advertise pickaxes you don't go mining. Those videos were made during the pandemic tech rush
People have chased the CS bag for at least a decade before "influencing" was a thing. Supply and demand.
It's not the influencers behind it. Big companies exaggerated demand when they had money to burn. It looked good to investors when you hired a lot of people so that's what they did. Currently investors like to see downsizing, so that's what will happen. The way modern corporations work, the only thing that matters are the numbers at the end of the next quarter, they don't really plan beyond that.
I graduated last year and it took me until now to finally land a role. It wasn’t even skillful. A recruiter called me up and of the available candidates, I was the one who could start the earliest. Now I make $19/hr packaging laptops for new employees of a company. I’m so glad I got a 4-year degree for that.
That's what a computer engineering role in many countries does
@@imeakdo7 and it sucks
edit: unless you like to do that, in which case, more power to you.
That sounds an awful lot like Best Buy lol
What kind of job is that ?
The American dream...
You are 100% correct about the mass applications. My company put up a posting for a tech position and got 2,000 applications in 1 day, after which HR forced us to take down the posting.
wow 😯
That is crazy and make's me feel blessed that I have a position and am not looking.
Have been told similar stories internally at FAANG. The lower level jobs have so many applicants they no longer accept referrals at those levels
Eng Dir here. It’s a slaughter house atm. I’m basically a glorified staff eng now, who has teams a quarter their original size. Had to merge multiple teams and cut mgrs or have them be glorified tech leads. Everything is running at a snail pace and they expect us to ‘chatGPT’ our way out. Our devs are now also security, SREs, qa, and support and I haven’t been able to payout bonuses or give raises. And this as isn’t a small operation, we’re global. They’re waiting until they can sell or covert their entire tech dept into one guy with a ChatGPT subscription. Anyone who says it’s easy is full of s***
Huh? I'm legitimately baffled. They think ChatGPT will build and maintain their software?
@insertoyouroemail eventually it might just do that unfortunately
@@horsethi3fHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
@@insertoyouroemailprobably not for a while, but businesses will force it anyway
Yeah. I am at a company and realized that I am doing application admin/support (a full-time job), procurement (another full-time job), and project management/sales support (yet another full-time job).
same problem is happening in cyber security. entry level jobs are asking for mid senior level certifications and and 2-3 years experience like... i haven't even graduated college💀
Cybersecurity is not an entry level job. Get a few years of IT experience first.
Why are there cyber security courses in colleges and universities then? @tracyrreed
@@Craig-Be because colleges want students and money (be it profit directly or grants) first and foremost, and that doesn't necessarily equate to employed alumni.
If they see an economic incentive to open a major, they will, even if the long-term "employability" of those students doesn't hold.
Considering that your average student is barely 18yo, the way they advertise college is pretty much a scam.
The key to getting a job in the tech industry is to apply to entry level jobs. Cyber Security, or Information Security, is not entry level. Entry level is Help Desk. You start at the bottom, then work up. I'd also argue programming is also entry level, which makes this video all the more arbitrary -- I've watched countless of jobs appear online in my location with less than 50k offering for programming, and yet networking administration/engineers, systems administration/engineers, and technical application implementation/pm, along with cyber security, all provide far exceedingly above this pay range.
You're likely to get an entry level security engineer job after a little experience within a companies help desk, but to consider it a "straight out of college" is a large chunk why so many people are unqualified for tech jobs in the first place.
Most cheat to get their degrees, then after they get them. I've encountered in the last 5 years a large quantity of people with Computer Sciences degrees that called Ethernet 'eth-er"net (like the soft 'e'), didn't know what the event viewer was, or had no idea what a SQL Database was...let alone a VLAN or how to setup a firewall rule.
Expecting these people to be in charge of systems which directly are related to profit in a corporation is entirely facetious.
Simple plain point: If you want into Cyber Security, start while in college, not after. If you want to get into cyber security, then you apply for help desk in a company and wait for an opening, or stay for the year to gain experience, and slowly progress up.
You can't expect immediate success because you have a piece of paper.
For a secondary "lol", most of the highest paid tech jobs are unrelated to your typical computer science degree.
@@Craig-Be Because it is a hot source of revenue for them.
Web dev here looking for a job. Thank you for putting this out there, it's so true. I have 11 years in this space and I'm 330 applications in. It's brutal out there. The spam employers are getting is real!
How much money do you ask
@@dmitrykim3096 however much they can give at this point ig
11 years and you have trouble ? How so
I think it's more about salary, people do t want to get less money but I think they will have to in this era
@@dmitrykim3096It has nothing to do with salary my dude, I've applied for 250+ regardless of salary since around September of last year (with some as low as $15/hr)
I've had one SINGLE interview scheduled and it was canceled the week before because they found someone else
I'm in my final semester of college right now, and I've been applying to jobs non-stop over the past few months, but I've have no luck and have yet to get an interview. It is extremely frustrating to say the least. I've solved like a 1000 problems on leetcode and worked on several projects but no one seems to want to give me a chance to prove myself. I'm not gonna give up though, because I believe in myself and I just need someone else to see that I am a valuable asset. Keep marching y'all!
Let's go dude I like your energy
Stay positive and be patient. You're in a good spot. 😁
I needed this. Thank you.
Any luck, champ?
@@Schultz3 I ended up joining a unicorn startup, It’s been great!
Yea the guys saying its a skill issue either have a job or have no clue or both. Lots of people out there masquerading as good developers competing for these handful of jobs. I mean 1000s and add in the foreign developers in our job markets. Forget it.
Individuals who say it's a skill issue are unempathetic assholes, that's it. They can do a simple google search and see the number of laid off individuals plus new CS degree holders coming into the market, but they choose to put down people who are out of work instead. It's anti-social behavior.
I’m a better dev then you bro
*than
You probably are a CS student. Not saying it's a skill issue I just see CS students are pessimistic
And yes things are hard
My first job in the tech space was also complete luck. My old boss just happened to be friends with a CEO that was looking for someone. I had built a lot of trust with my previous boss, not even working in tech, and that was enough for a recommendation and for the CEO to take a chance on me. There was never a public job opening for anyone else.
Started college during Covid and only now realizing how many things and connections I missed out on during that valuable time. I’m now graduating with loads of extremely diverse experience from internships in tech. I have strong resume for a fresh grad, that would land me an amazing job in tech 2-3 years ago. Now I’m just struggling to get an interview. Something that helps me is the fact that I have Computer Engineering degree, and probably the reason I have a good offer after graduation from my most recent internship.
The connections that should matter the most are with higher ups. So… probably your fomo isn’t as bad as you’re thinking
The "I'm struggling to get an interview" is directly because you're applying for jobs you are not qualified for. People need to realize that you aren't going to get a job in this field immediately. You work at the bottom, and you work your way up. Tech is one of the only industries that exists where the "american dream" philosophy (where hard work and experience) pays off. You start at an entry level position, despite your connections and your internship, because the employers do not care about what you did in college lol.
My first tech job required me to apply to over 100 different jobs in the course of a month, with only a handful of call backs and only a few offers. That was over 10 years ago now.
This market hasn't changed. What's changed is clickbait and peoples misunderstanding of what they're qualified with no experience.
I can't even get an interview at Walmart let alone any entry level technical roles. "only a few offers" what world are you living in?@@itsJoshW
In many countries, computer engineering degrees can be disqualifiers for things not related to repairing things or some form of tech or it support
@@club2772 Agreed, graduated in 2016 and I don't keep a single connection with people from my University. And I studied on weekends so most of them were already working in IT at the time.
I like this side of you, Theo. You're absolutely right. Between when I graduated and and now, 15 years later, the market has no similarity. And people mean tweeting at the young kids just sounds so boomer.
Thank you so much for bringing this up man. As a software engineer that got laid off two years ago. Is even harder for me to succeed in the tech world. A lot of people actually say that it is important that you focus on one programming language or skill, but when you're in job hunting, you have to know it all and there is no time to master anything. Every job asks you for a different technology or coding skill and you will never feel enough. Up to this point, I'll say fuck it, I'll go and work for myself and build tools and apps tham can fulfill me instead of a fucking company...
If you have a project you want to work on, let me know, I am looking for projects to join and co own
Once the videos of "my day in the life as a software engineer" became super prevalent on social media I knew that this day would come.
Some people think nepotism is a skill
“Pretending otherwise is delusional”
People everywhere always have preferred to hire based on trusted connections. You can complain about it if you want but you need to acknowledge it if you want to understand the reality of the market.
It literally is. It's social skills, something that software engineers lack.
@@lacku2677 I switched to computer science from business and stopped going out as much
Month 3 of my layoff starts in a couple days. I am a senior-level data analyst with a good resume and I would say reasonably good experience. 250 jobs applied to (many of them roles referred to me by people in my network). I think it’s 6 companies that asked me to interview. So basically a 0.2% interview rate. And as much as I want to go into how sorry I feel for myself, I really feel for the new grads/entry level folks. You guys were sold a lie on a tremendous scale, and now here we are in this unemployment circlejerk.
Why come data science affected so much too :(
@@NoahSteckley I think data science is not properly defined at most companies and most put it out there as machine learning engineer which is mostly research focused for PHDs levels
Soon enough these companies will have the same issue as Boeing. When you prioritize profits over product and people, you will encounter disaster.
CxOs are simply too focused on short-term profits to learn from history
Cut the bloat like twitter
The problem is that tech people think this is a tech only problem. This is happening in many many industries as well. Interest rates are high which leads to lower investment and there was over hiring this isn’t a forever thing
As someone that has gotten their bachelors and master's in computer science and 2yrs of relevant experience thinking getting a job wouldn't be too hard, then going through the worst time job hunting, I really appreciate hearing this from you man! Thank you for putting it into perspective for everyone.
Don't put that much focus on education. I recently interviewed someone with master's and it was embarrassing because he was barely able to write Hello World program.
@@darekmistrz4364 I am sorry but that sounds fake. In which language did you ask them to write hello world program?
@@paglaith5561 hes exaggerating i hope but hes not wrong i knew some 2nd year cs students who couldnt print out a 3x3 # square on the console
@@zalty8556 At least they know Hello World 💀
I remember when I first started studying CS, nobody was doing it. Then it became trendy, and everyone wanted to be in Computer Science. Too many people saw the nice salaries and insane labor demand and thought it would be an easy career, and now the market corrected and it's now way too over-saturated, in particular full of people who don't actually care or have any passion about the industry and making quality software, they're just there to make money. Which is unfortunate to those who are truly in it because they're passionate about building cool stuff.
If you’re so passionate and special then a bunch of indian script kiddies showing up shouldn’t hurt you. You should be outcompeting all of these jobbers.
Those layoffs lists do not count a smaller scale incidents like 2-4 people laid off. In my company of 60-something 4 people have been recently fired as there was no projects for them.
Yeah was thinking the same as well when checking out that website, I've been at two smaller end places that completely shut up shop for tech roles in 2022 and 2023. There is also the whole other dynamic of places just straight up not hiring people anymore or stopping wage growth, very crappy times tbh.
I know of a fintech company that laid off 24 people (mostly software engineers and product managers) from 100 and it's not on that list.
@guymontag5084 Effects of firing vs layoff depend on the country or the contract type. For many cases it's the same thing and doesn't affect unemployment benefits
I took half a year off and started looking for jobs again. It's tough out there. And I'm a good developer with some really solid projects shipped under my belt.
@ChineseRatfaceCHANG Good enough to provide direct value and turn business requirements into working software.
I did get a project at a really good place though since I wrote this. But the gold rush is over, I'm going to be writing software that is going to be used in a factory. The age of "facebook for dogs", "uber for dads" etc is over imo.
I've been out of work since November. It's nice to know that I'm not the only one struggling. Even when I do a technical assessment, there's ZERO room for error. The second you mess up, you're chalked off for someone else who doesn't flinch.
Αθηνα μενεις;
God yes this. I have tons of anxiety doing code pairing tests and at best it makes me ‘slow’ and at worst I blank. I don’t have a chance with these and every one I do makes my anxiety worse. It’s awful.
@@KatharineOsborne oddly enough, I used to be able to do these fairly well; the exercises were practical. Now they're just Leetcode horseshit.
The level of compassion, empathy and thoughtfulness you expressed in this video is a rarity ; especially amongst developers .
Thank you ❤
I need to add that: being unqualified is not something to blame people about all the time, some times the market gets so saturated, and you skills are not enough even if you know a lot.
brutally True.
"50 resumes deep"? A few months ago I was applying for jobs and it was more like 500-1000 just on indeed.
Anyone can spam on indeed. Always pay for Linked IN Pro and never do the easy apply as they get drowned out and then message the recuiter. Many indeed posters are scam jobs that were filled over a year ago but never taken down
That's the problem indeed isn't where it's at. You have to go through every site (Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, etc)
As someone who has had to take time after graduation to take care of my family (eg non-trad backgrounds), this problem feels even more extreme where the way I have been spending my time and growing is not easily translateable to a resume.
Fr bru, shit sucks so bad I gotta consider just joining the military
@@LOL-kq2dd I’d have already joined if I didn’t have crohns. Fuck
it would be interesting to crunch some numbers and find whether there are a lot of discriminatory issues being exacerbated in this current economy
Imagine running a startup at a time like this. You’d have access to ex-FAANG and top-tier talent at discount costs.
@guymontag5084 I’m curious on the exact math on this. I’m sure now is a good time to run a seed startup. You could hire a team of five top notch engineers for $500k. But I imagine now’s a terrible time to run a Series B or C startup. But I imagine that Series B/C startups that got funding before interest rates went up are in the best state of all.
@guymontag5084Great insight.
Yeah but those people are gonna want to work st their previous salary range, so you're gonna spend loads on them cause they were overpaid, plus little VC funding and high interests rates mean you're gonna have a lot of trouble finding money to pay these people
@@therealjezzyc6209 I’m sure they want to work at their previous salary, but if nobody else is giving them a job, I doubt they’d turn you down. It’s an employer’s market. You can get senior engineers at a discount. And if that doesn’t work, you can hire junior engineers for even cheaper.
but no funding
thank you. it took me 11 months to find the job i have now and i had so many ppl saying it was somehow my fault even tho i knew for a fact it wasnt
This is the most realistic video I've watched so far on the job market.
Very very hard in 2024 to find a tech job as a fresh graduate. Almost impossible with no connection / internship.
I attempted to search a job on my own and got 1 call in over 100 applications. Even with a 4.3 GPA, volunteer work, multiple hackathons participation, multiple scholarships, engagement at school, a research project...
I ended up asking people I knew and very quickly found opportunities, a friend referral and a job. Salary is 60k which isn't what was sold to me when I went in this field.
But the current market is just atrocious
Up to 49,386 just 6 days later
Holy shit
No way , are there even that many jobs junior positions to begin with ?what kind of jobs are you applying for?
At 75k now
After college, I did bootcamp 5 years ago. They taught me many soft skills, git, JS, React, Redux, Ruby, Rails, Postgresql data structures, algorithms, interviewing, and job search. Got employed 3 months after finishing it. Now the bootcamp is not accepting people anymore because they cannot guarantee that you will get a job.
Im based in Ireland. The company I work for, which is a Cali based large tech company, has openly said that they are putting an emphasis on growing their international offices moreso than their US ones. This is often because they can hire CS grads at a fraction of the cost. My salary is about 1/3 of what they would need to pay a US based dev of the same experience, so theres a big incentive for bigger companies with international offices to look for talent in other countries.
Netapp? Have them on campus here basically every day looking for interns and grads
@@anthony4331 workday
This should be illegal. Someone without US work status should not be able to work for US company. If its "Illegal" for illegal immigrant to get the job in US without paperwork it should be illegal to hire outside of USA for USA company. This takes away jobs from USA
@@DroisKargva why should this be illegal? the company sells worldwide so they can hire wherever they want
@DroisKargva It is. That's not what happened. Workday also registered a company in Ireland, and the Irish employees work for that entity that is registered in Ireland. All multinational companies are free to register entities wherever they please and hire from whichever countries suit them, for better or worse.
I am in the UK and the tech market is rough atm, 2023 was a stinker of a year and whilst 2024 things have picked up ever so slightly, it's still not in a good position. It's really tough at the entry level/grad/junior end of the scale as most roles are mid - senior level. People are saying companies over hired during pandemic etc etc, here in the UK, economic uncertainty is at an all time high and companies are reducing spendings etc.
Why is nobody mentioning that the number of layoffs is global AFAICT, whilst the CS student number is for the US? Just China and India by itself probably is around one million. And that's not even talking about layoffs.fyi not just tracking developer (some source articles don't specify the type of jobs at all, and at least one explicitedly includes a department like marketing). I know I am late to the party and nobody will see this comment, but as far as I can tell this video doesn't make any sense to me.
This video ruled Theo. We don’t always agree but this is definitely good to see you so passionate and doing the work on this issue.
The other problem is that companies are actually garbage at hiring too. Experienced devs don't want to put up with leetcode grind bullshit and are more likely to just go find a job in a different industry than put up with that bullshit again.
It's horrifying and i fully predicted it years ago when they started the bootcamps and i was hearing about all these waves of millions of high paying tech jobs you can do from home in the future, i knew it was gonna generate a flood of kids in CS and that flood was going to vastly overwhelm the demand at the time and i knew also that predictions of millions of coming jobs were bloated to say the least.
There's nothing that can be done to fix this, these kids need to find alternative careers and those of us already in tech should really start thinking about alternatives or about setting up self-employment, even if you don't get laid off, your salary isn't going to be what you dreamed of or what recruiters from 5 years ago might been promissing, that era is gone, programming is no longer a high paying job and you're in competition with people in third world countries making pennies.
That’s a wildly pessimistic take, programming jobs are still incredibly high paying compared to average salaries across all industries.
@@0oShwavyo0 They won't be for very long, the biggest problem isn't even just the high amount of kids coming in and how everyone and their mothers are doing bootcamps and stuff, it's outsourcing and that's what was massively worsened by the Covid thing.
Companies went full remote and now prefer to hire someone for pennies in Asia as opposed to hiring you in the USA for five times the money. When the company is remote anyways it makes no difference where the talent is, the competition pool is now global and that is going to lower the salaries massively if you're in a first-world country that used to have high wages in tech.
If you already have a job they're not gonna lower your wage obviously, you'll just get laid off eventually and then forced to accept lower pay elsewhere as nobody will re-hire you for the same amount you were earning before, but supply and demand always win out, you cannot maintain high wages in a job where there are a lot of desperate applicants and not a lot of demand
@@0oShwavyo0such a US brained comment
There are no other jobs that pay this much sorry just aren't I can't make a living to regular stuff. With that said a lot of the folks as frontend boot camps. Also the companies we need companies and real solutions. Not just jobs adding a a extra camera to a phone
@dekmutant I am in the US, just like Theo and probably the majority of this channel’s viewers. Besides, the same appears to be true for most European markets from a little cursory research. I’m not saying programmer’s are earning faang money everywhere, but the average software dev salaries are always higher than the average salary across all industries. They’re not low paying jobs by any means
Yuuup, startup went almost bankrupt last July and we all got laid off. I can count on one hand the number of companies I’ve interviewed with since, and 12 months prior I was getting so many interviews it was a challenge (interviewing is exhausting). I’m a strong candidate but not the 99th percentile, at least not on paper. It’s not fun.
who's to blame? giant tech companies for overhiring (to fake their value and growth), influencers showing how easy the life of a dev is in giant tech companies (mostly because of the overhiring) and a blind conviction that AI is going to solve all problems (which will not).
I worked in ecom management. Two years of studies and 2 more in a company. When i graduated there were hundreds upon hundreds of job ads on linkedin every month. This month ive found 5 in my entire country that are actually hiring for my role, while the rest are warehouse openings? Yea the job market is a interesting place
Yeah, warehouse jobs will hire immediately, especially through a temp agency. That work is rough though, especially if you're 30+.
Thank you for being realistic. Got my first dev job this year but it was hard. I even had connections with two principal engineers at a company one of which was a close friend with 20yrs experience who I code with regularly. Even then, I didn’t get an interview and lost the spot to someone who was internal within the company.
The more I see the job market, the happier I am to have decided to work for the government. Even though wages can be a little bit lower (it depends, where I work it's actually higher), better work conditions and not being let go are excellent advantages. I never felt threatened or pressured to overwork and I haven't worked a single weekend (10 years experience)
This reminds me a lot of when I was in architecture school between 2006-2011... Experienced architects were applying for intern jobs while I was looking for my first internship... that was really discouraging.
@@nonamenolastname8501 It is flipped back now that a recession has started. Commercial real estate projects have stopped
@@nonamenolastname8501 I see where it comes from, at least in my country being a dev without a degree rewards much more than being an engineer with university education. I have an electrical engineer degree (4 years professional program), worked as an industrial automation engineer for 3 years. Switched to IT via a bootcamp and already got around 2x as a junior dev. This is messed up so bad, it's crazy
Which country is that?@@kirillvoloshin2065
I think we can blame devs for the huge layoffs. All this automating stuff to make your life easier and AI has shown that we can get more done in the tech industry with fewer "more competent" developers.
I mean what did people expect. 130k new CS degrees is already oversaturating the market. remove low interest rates and companies actually feel the need to make money and not burn billions staffing thousands of redundant positions or incompetent workers.
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From my personal experience, the job market is still okay for non-tech businesses hiring workers for the not so glamorous tech stacks. Pretty much nobody wants to work as a mainframe dev these days, but I know a lot of people who get hired, or are hiring for those roles. I think a lot of people go to school and really want into silicon valley, and want to work on the mainstream and popular languages and frameworks and do something amazing. You can make a pretty good living just being an average dev maintaining a legacy system at a non tech company though. Just sayin. And the job security is significantly better too. These non-tech companies aren't going to throw away their devs as easily.
Underpid and take any contract job and use a bottom barrell recruiter. Yes you will only pull 80k with no benefits. But it beats being unemployed and have a gap now filled on your resume. Remember you need to be an eagle in a sea of chickens to stick out. Unemployed people are never hired in a recession. Only people who do not need the job. In a year to a year and a half quit the crappy contract gig and apply to a rea job again. Those who now have a 2 year gap will be working bestbuy and be permanently out of the IT field and you will stay in
@@timgibney5590 That sounds gross but I agree. Forget silicon valley working on the cutting edge. Move to a low cost of living area, find a mom and pop's software consulting firm, work on unglamorous local contracts (government, utility companies, native corporations, etc.) keeping the lights on for their legacy systems. Make a living for a year or two then go from there. Live frugally, hustle, network, gain skills when you can, stay out of trouble, grind grind grind. Oh and become a US citizen if you're not - more options in government etc. Good luck to all 🤜🖤
@@destructionman1 I said this as I ended up leaving IT as I graduated in 2009. My god talk about the rug pulled under me. No one outside of fast food and a substitute teacher position would hire me while my friends who graduated in 2008 all bought houses grrrr. By 2011 I got contract help desk jobs and 8 years later I ended up back in the game. It sucked and was let go of a few contract roles.
Ouch but hey HR stopped asking about gaps and saying 2009 was bad will just make them roll their eyes lol.
where are these magical mainframe companies that are willing to take in people with no experience?
@@Zuranthus In 2022. Now with laid off folks they can just hire experienced people for internships
im a programmer (or "developer") but i also make music and i see this dynamic with producers sending instrumentals to artists. these artists get sooooo many beats sent to them that they NEVER check their email or messages from new producers. As a matter of fact, i once sent a tweet asking people to send me instrumentals, i got so many emails i couldnt even check them anymore and im not even an established artist. replace artist with company and its the same situation. connections are EVERYTHING!
oh I didn't know that! That's interesting. I would've thought it was the opposite because so much music feels like repeats of old stuff and feels so predictable. I wonder if most demos sound the same?
@@istvanpraha it's just because the volume (amount) of music made is so high that no one can really listen to all of it, regardless of how it sounds
@@prodbyryshyso we need more Businesses less workers
@@prodbyryshy
We also don’t have good ways of Sifting through Music.
No one really feels desparate to shortlist all the music in the world. So big companies will dominate
me is good example. I graduated last year, still coulnot find a tech job. I applied over 600 job application and most of them are internship ( not even a real job), and rejected rate about 99%.
What is “tech job”?
Same
@@lawrencemanning steam
@@lawrencemanning @max5427 "tech jobs" are IT related jobs, such as web developer, coder...
mid-level dev here; been looking for a job for about 5 months now. Thought id be easier getting a job with some work experience under my belt.
Same!!!
@@nemfreudexplica8021 Good luck!!🤞
Haha yeah… thought the first position would be the only hard one
@@NoahSteckley for reals!
Now that some HR uses AI to handle the massive volume of applications, imagine how many resumes are discarded by the algorithm and there's no way to know why, no way to give a feedback. Looking for a job is dehumanizing nowadays.
Beat the system. There are a few job serach tools that use the same algorithms. Basically the company says some busswords about CDI integrations, pipelines, and is obtuse. Create a cover letter with the same terms (do not cut and paste as AI will detect this). Change your verbs on your resume to match the buzzwords. Instead of performed X on upgrade to node.js say intregrated CDI with Pipeline on upgrade to node.js. Your phone will blow up :-D
@@timgibney5590 wth is CDI with Pipeline?
@@timgibney5590bro thinks he’s Light Yagami or smth
The cold truth we all needed to hear, thanks for keepimg it real
All these shenanigans and companies still complaining they can't find workers and insult accusing them to be lazy. Go figure.
Thanks for the insight! Wondering how much you think offshoring is to blame for the difficult tech job market?
For those searching, if you're open to it, defense contracting can be a good option. You won't make as much as faang but you'll be compensated well enough (probably 70-80k for entry level) and shouldn't have to worry much about being overworked. I no longer work for one but i feel like my friends that still work there are always complaining about needing more devs
I'll starve before I work for a defense contractor.
@@niamhleeson3522 why
@@niamhleeson3522 why?
@@niamhleeson3522could you elaborate please
In defense you're treated like a shit and most of them are looking for candidates with EE and PhD degrees, not CS.
I hope videos like these don’t discourage people from studying CS. Even when it’s tough, you’re in much better demand than most other industries out there. Please don’t give up!
Bruh what. Cs is in more demand than artists and that's pretty much it. People should be seriously reconsidering going into tech if they want job stability
@@dekumutant alright smarty pants, what should they study instead? Philosophy? Anthropology?
They should absolutely be discouraged. Most people are getting into CS for the money nowadays without the slightest interest in computing and tech. I teach freshmen in college, and it was disappointing to hear about the seemingly instant shift of freshmen taking CS for their inclination to computing and tech to just money. However, I am not too worried, CS is brutal, and these people usually shift out early on.
engineering lmao@@spageen
@@EpicPhazee the forced habit of eternal learning does dissuade and burn out a lot. hell, even I don't want to do it past 40 and just wanna build something at my own pace.
Half a million layoffs in the last 2 years is just insanity. I'm in game dev so I have that fun to contend with as well just now, but it's so disheartening before even applying seeing 2k+ applications for postings a day or two old, these layoffs don't even show the fact places are just cutting back as well or how pay has crashed. Fair enough I live in the UK but min wage for dev work requiring degrees, years of experience and several rounds of interviews can gtfo.
There's a statistic from 2023 for IT jobs as a whole there was only 713 or something created for the entire year you can find it on the DOL statistics
literally black pilled rn. mid into a degree knowing all of these peoople are saturating tf out of the market
doesn't help when a guy like this spam-posts "coding" vids etc(400 vids on his main).
@@doublesushi5990 a programming youtuber posting videos about programming, oh the humanity
Yeah... For these reasons I still persist in my $3.6k/year IT job.
(I am not working in US just translated the numbers for the general audience)
$3,600 a year 😳
You make ~$10 a day?
@@SM-ok3sz
Welcome to the reality of other countries.
Holy cow... May I ask what country you work in? Because I work as a developer in Ukraine, one of the poorest countries in Europe, and yet I earn $700/month ($8400/year) in this poor-ass country during the war with russia, considering the fact that I have no commercial development experience and I'm not even a full-stack web developer (only backend on Node.js).
I worked with a programmer with a degree in computer science, but the quality of the code they showcased was like mine when I was in high school starting to learn how to code.
Most people I feel like faked their way to getting that degree in computer science to get a high paying job. That would also make sense why so many companies are laying off people.
People when they see money will try to take it leaving talent with nothing.
keep in mind the layoff numbers do not include contractors. So whatever number you see from "?" company layoffs, take that number and double it.
People saying not being able to get a job right now is a skill issue either haven't been laid off themselves or they haven't looked for a job in a long time.
I also believe people put themselves into a corner and refuse to apply to other branches and only want to be in "big tech". Of course the market is then going to be competitive and hard to get into, if most likely all of your competition is gunning for the same jobs. Personally, I wouldnt even want to touch big tech or the big FAANG companies with a 10 foot pole, but also because being European I would probably hate the work culture regardless. Or atleast, that's how I've noticed it. The layoffs all are basically only in that area of the job, meanwhile there's so many other branches to step into that are just as (if not more) interesting and challenging. The only real difference usually is compensation, but even then if compensation is the main reason to get into it then I already dont believe it to be right fit for many people to get into.
came here to say that. This is very silicon valley centric. There's an entire world out there outside of big tech
Thank you for this! Watching this video really made me realise how bad the situation is 😭
Worked IT for the last half decade. Currently ditching it to become a chippy. Pays easier to earn and the b9ss doesn't want to fire me just to save a buck or replace me with chatgpt. Does wonders for your mental health not having that to deal with. IT treats its employees like shit. Not worth the wage.
f sake
I cant be bothered with life anymore
i got screwed af school and now i read IT horror stories everywhere.
time to become taxi driver
🤔 but why big tech wants to bring more Indians ?
They requested an increase in H1B visas because we don’t have enough devs according to big tech.
My recommendation is to go find developers and entrepresneurs and meet up with them in person. Build personal projects. Computer science has so many different fields within it. Once you find it go on in and find others that are doing the same thing. Professional connections are very important.
And people always thought AI would replace the blue collar/Labour workers first....
I think about this a lot, too. I have no degree but I studied math/computer science for years while I worked small jobs like a grocery store and warehousing. I got my first data analyst role because I talked to someone at my warehouse job about math and that opened up a network of connections which lead me to my first job. That slowly progressed into data science where I am today and it's easier to find opportunities because of the connections I've built. This happened about 7 years ago.
If I imagine myself starting over in today's world, it's incredibly difficult with so many people trying to break into the industry and seemingly all these opportunities being reduced. I empathize with all the new grads struggling out there; stay strong, friends.
Graduated with a CS degree and not lying im homeless typing this. Studying to be competent
As a venezuelan trying my best to find a remote job is not just virtually imposible, for non Us residents folks this has gotten way worse, but I won't lose hope on finding a job
I absolutely despise senior devs who shit on junior devs for not being senior devs. WHERE DO SENIOR DEVS COME FROM BOZO, DO THEY GROW OUT OF THE GROUND?
I’ve been laid off from my last 2 jobs at startups and can confirm last time was hard, but this time is much harder.
There is no more free money in the economy due to credit tightening (symptom of printing money during covid and funding wars), which is one of the reasons companies are cutting jobs, credit is no longer available. Companies can no longer pursue market valuation with the goal of being acquired, ie they stopped hiring and now they have to pivot towards turning a profit. Thanks to Elon's acquisition of Twitter and letting go of staff without the company imploding, this gave enough confidence for other employers to follow suit. Little did those who mocked him for that know that it would set up a template that would affect them as well. So it's a tragedy, one that was probably by our collective making, but incredibly insensitive to exploit for gain. Lives will be ruined and that is no light matter
People don't have the right to gainful employment irrespective of market viability. And, your life shouldn't be ruined when you get laid off from your high salary tech job unless you weren't saving anything. It's normal, and good, for companies to come and go so your work can be applied efficiently to gdp.
What do u think will happen after 4 yrs will the job market will decrease or get normal?(😅 cause I will be graduating in 2028😢😢😢)
@@funginimp People have the right for shelter and food. What about the plethora of people who spent so much money from school only to get laid off in their first job. Its not like the US has very good safety nets for its people. One bad heath malady and they are homeless.
@@yuvrajsau The market will always be changing, always... You will have to learn or change for the market (as in truly learning a degree with effort). People as individuals can learn virtually anything and change their life to how they want to live. As an individual you can specialize and learn something employers cant just hire anywhere. If you are not happy... change and learn something else. If you are struggling because of the market please join clubs, gain connections, help your fellow worker. Companies dont care about you... the only way to be stable is to have connections and promoting workers support (through unions or voting).
@@yuvrajsau 2008-2011 was a 5-year arc and the iPhone was invented during that time. Think about what you want to do and find some kind of fun work to do in the meantime. Most people don't know what they will be doing in five minutes much less 5 years. Curling up in a ball isn't going to get you what you want. So do the best you can in every moment and set aside the beer money for future plans whenever you can. By the time you graduate, natural selection will push into your priorities, you will want to have a positive influence on whatever it is you wish to preserve and value.
Friendly reminder that not all tech jobs are at tech companies.
dude, everyone knows this.
And not all layoffs have been from tech companies. The numbers on layoffs.fyi are conservative based on verifiable reports. For every job still available at a non-tech company, there's probably been 3 layoffs at non-tech companies, and non-tech companies still aren't listing jobs
@jameszaccardo1520 it may not always occur to people who are too close to the problem.
If you think working in tech is dystopian, wait till you see how non-tech companies treat their tech people. Good for getting your "foot in the door" though if you're just starting your career.
I never see entry-level / recent graduate positions anymore. Only senior, lead, staff, and principle roles
I wonder if this is mostly a US problem, or if it expands out further. A lot of this was supposedly based on layoffs from major US tech companies, so it is unclear to me whether the same is also the case in say EU.
Ill just put in my 10,000 hours of making badass programs, just like I did in rocket league
software devs are exponentially more prevalent, and there’s a massive disconnect between the CEOs and hiring managers and the people looking for jobs, causing an even greater gap
most of the people who study and graduate from my faculty want to be web devs, and nearly no company even wants them cause they’re full of them
at first i wanted to make games and even my own engine, but then the market became highly saturated with slop
now i’m focusing on bioinformatics and robotics, and i pray these positions won’t be taken by people who understand little about the complexity of genetics and nanotechnology
I'm curious how you could get into bioinformatics and robotics, I actually am interested in learning about more about nanotech. Do you have any good resources where I can actually develop a better understanding of them? Like papers, youtubers, books, etc?
@@beau981 this is all from my university, but i’ll make a reply with some materials and pointers
it started with robotics first, then saw there was a course on bioinformatics, and now i’m taking classes that dive deeper into the human body
i’m still at the baseline for all of this, but from what i’ve learned, you should absolutely learn about genetic functions - replication and translation, sequence alignment, and motifs - and if you’re interested in reading papers, there are a few interesting ones regarding CRISPR-Cas9, one of which is from just this february iirc, where it goes in detail about trials and the ethics of using this system for genetic modification, but also its advantages
this is all i can give from what i remember, but i will make sure to follow up and put up some specific materials
i’ve also seen a book or two at a local library about nanotechnology, so i’ll try to find its name and publishing date, however, this is still out of my range of knowledge, so i can’t guide you got this, as i am yet to take a class on this topic (which will probably be postgrad)
5:47 I want to touch on this point because this never felt like it was the reality for the VAST majority of people who broke into tech over the last 6-7 years. Yeah, all of the cute "day in the life of a FAANG SWE" videos were nice but they were just selling a fantasy. It's clear that the market is garbage right now but it never seemed like it was "easy". I had a friend who graduated from one of the UCs and it took him more than 600 applications to land his first role, and this was in 2017. I have 2 colleagues that were completely self-taught and managed to break in during 2021 because their networking skills and ability to build trust were amongst the best of so many people I've met in tech.
It is extremely rare that I met other programmers who managed to start their careers without any struggle, and now that struggle is even steeper.
Networking pill destroyed me
I can’t even talk to my family never mind anyone else
Well this just made me substantially more pessimistic about my job hunt than I already was. Time to seriously start thinking about selling my house.
there is no way around the fact there is very little any single individual can do. collective action is the only way to deal with systemic problems like this. it is time for developers, engineers, and tech workers in general to realize they need to organize & unionize with other kinds of workers.
I'm actually questioning how many people understand the intention of unions and how little they grasp what the actual issue is within the tech industry.
A union won't fix the issue since the issue isn't related to abuse of employers. The issue is people either applying for jobs unattainable for them fresh out of college (loads of the people in these comments), or various people upset that there isn't a large quantity of coding jobs, but there is a large quantity of people applying for the selective available ones.
The solution is for people to start learning alternative areas within IT as their services are easily transferable to various allocations. At least judging from the comments, almost everyone "exclusively" thinks the same thing as the directors at my college 10 years ago -- Other IT Services and Programming are only simply branches of the same tree.
@@itsJoshW This is incoherent cope based on nothing but your own warped morality.
What? Unionize for what? Bootcamps and low-skilled workers did this to themselves. The industry was flooded with garbage devs who were just trying to coast and get a paycheck. This is what happens.
Theo, that truly helped. Thank you bro.
May I interject something? I work in a global team and our company has multiple other global teams as well. and what i see common in all those teams is, American devs are least likely to adapt to new tech quickly. Its almost feels like that they have background in something and they want to stay true to that only. They think what they learnt in Bootcamps or school or during PG is the only thing Industry is using. As a senior dev, my advise will be to move fast and slash hard! You are competing on a global scale! Alot 2 hours per day to learning tech, and you feel the difference.
8 years experience. Been working at a "safe" company in the medical field for 7 months now, putting in good work. People told me so, without me asking. Company fucked up majorly and realized they're way off their projected revenue and fired 20+ people. Fuck this shit.
Thank you Theo. Your words have calmed me
Going to the same college you did. It's refreshing to hear the truth.
Got my first and second job from interviews. The three after that were all referrals. Then I went solo.
Glad I got my chances before it got too bad.
Don’t be afraid to take a different path… plenty of talent needed in non-traditional spaces like RPA, BPM and Low-code.
Might give you the breathing room to do what you actually enjoy in the next few years.
What is RPA and BPM
It may not apply to a CS degree, I'm currently in the process of getting an AA in IT. Does it still make sense for me to get a bachelor's degree or shift my studies entirely to a new degree?
@@sid4579 I also didn't know and had to look it up: Robotic process automation and business process modeling.
@@sid4579robotic process automation and business process management/modelling
I do think that in the US especially people put a lot of attention to what company they work for. Like why do you need a job at a big tech company? Just go work for a smaller business it's totally fine. The company you work for does not define who you are! It's not important, assuming the smaller company is still striving for high quality code.
If you were a hiring manager who would you hire? Bob smith who worked for megacorp doing a few rudant apis and things. Or Marcus from Facebook who has cloud, nodejs, python, typescript, API integrations, nosql and sql databases, virtual reality, big query data sets etc? Marcus can bring in new fresh ideas that Bob can't and has done cool things. Of course Marcus gets the job!
@@timgibney5590 And will Marcus apply for some small/mid company? Exactly
@@realkyunu Well with 15,000 out of work FAANG rockstars hell yeah! lol. Anyone over 30 who is not adept in the latest buzzwords won't make it past Taleo or Workday's applicant tracking system on LinkedIn. He is young and has 6 years experience on 6 year old technology that Bob hasn't even looked at it yet.
thats why CS as a career is a dying field you have to perpetually upscale at an exponetial rate and the lucrative pay rate of being a dev is no longer the thing anymore.
Maybe not up to par in terms of editing, but this is main channel worthy.
It's harder I do agree, but I think it's also important to note that there are a couple of important points not mentioned here. The increased CS grads are a bell curve here with most being average - in this case and in my opinion these are the people that don't have any projects (or maybe a small number of small projects) that think I mainly need to get a degree and I'm ok.... they are not and won't be.
There are also a lot of tech jobs still unfulfilled. People are being laid off yes but that doesn't mean that all those jobs were filled before because they were not and still are not. People are letting go of devs because they are expensive and the companies are running out of money / their predictions over the last couple of years went bust. Give these things another year or 2 and I think the situation will be much different. There is always a wave with these things, hiring/firing right? We are just on a downturn at the moment but I don't think it will continue to go this way
How is this so different in the US than abroad? I applied for a DevOps engineering role at a huge national news company in my country just through their careers website like you said.
They hired me after two interviews (one in person) while I was still doing my final internship before graduating. I have now graduated and am working there.
How is it so different over there lol?
Granted, tech jobs in the US pay way more than they do here, probably close to double (excluding the fact you'd have to pay for expensive things like a car commute and health insurance)
the problem are tech companies, the market is so saturated and people still want to get in.
to find a job easier you should go for the non tech companies (like you did)
Well, it would seem that not as many people are applying to the jobs in your country then.
this is totally right and because of the Generative AI the jobs in the market have less value and they pay very less and I am specifically talking about the jobs market in tech industry. I have seen them throughout last year until now I’m still struggling to find a decent job.
Company: We value a great work culture, with supportive colleagues and the environment to truly excel..... 8 months later: sorry dude, off you pop, we don't need you anymore. Oh and btw, our CEO's have got big bonuses for steering us through these bad times where we only made $353m in profit.......
Meanwhile, Mark Zuckerberg also lays off thousands for "efficiency", and then proceeds to spend $60 billion on stock buybacks literally in the same week as a layoff, while blowing through tens of billions on a pet project that everyone else knows will never be profitable under his leadership. Stock went book, billionaire Mark's net worth doubled again, and tens of thousands of people are unemployed. That, to me, is far more sinister. The fact that these tech companies CAN afford to keep everyone, they would just rather boost their stock price a little bit instead.
lol thats the funny thing. Its not enough that they make masiive profits....if their massive e profits arent more than last years massive profits...then they "cant" retain workers. The real problem is corporate culture and capitalism.
MIT math grad here. Graduated in Feb 2020. Have had a few ML data scientist jobs. Mostly lasting only a few months. Last role was 11 months before surprise layoff. Been applying since November. Only two interviews after 1000 applications. No traction or leads. Unemployment is running out. I'm scared.