"I don't believe in a static way of thinking" *is* a static way of thinking. "I choose not to believe in anything specifically" *is* a specific belief.
I always believe that means something. It happens to me all. The time and I think that's gods way of saying "I'm watching you and you are apart of my holiness. You are blessed. I bless you and you are as blessed as I want you to be because you keep my commandments." And I know people notice too. But they might be too afraid to admit it.
Then a direct personal experience creates intense curiousity. Meaning is discovered; it cannot be reasoned. The Bible is symbolic--- a collection of mythologies supported by ancient observations. Wisdom is never taught; wisdom is revealed.
My gosh! The first student is all over the place. As an aspiring Philosopher and Apologist I can tell you if Cliffe were to contradict himself like this student did I would unsubscribe immediately. It is hypocritical for any moral relativist and/or humanist to ever say that something is wrong based on morals.
I've watched everyone of your videos and I think these two students have been the hardest to watch, just an arrogance to them, not seeking truth at all, just trying to win the argument.
The believer in atheist Dogma has no interest in seeking truth or engaging in a civilized discourse -- his only motivation is to harm others by chipping away at faith and attacking Theists, both verbally and physically.
@@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024 can you show me a video on UA-cam where Jesus rose from the dead after he said that I paused the video for a minute because I was downfounded by he's stupidity and ignorance.
I don’t think casting judgement is appropriate here, that’s not the point. We’re extremely blessed to have a society that invites and allows the prejudice and uneducated to learn, grow and expand their minds through an understanding of history, language and belief.
That young man is asking so many great questions and Cliffe if giving some very good answers. The fact that he asked "what makes christianity and Jesus special" means the seed has been planted. I'm so glad I found this channel.
@anneduke4876- I found this ministry by accident and continued watching because we have 20-something year old sons. I ask them questions about their beliefs as well. I totally agree that the seed has been planted in this fist young man’s heart/mind. In fact, as I was praying and asking God about our own sons, the Lord’s still small voice said the seed was in the ground. I am encouraged and I pray that our next generation comes to know Christ.
I feel justified in making this sweeping generalization I’m about to make because I’m a former atheist. They don’t get it from anywhere. They hear the idea, think, “yeah, that sounds good”, and add it to their repertoire of vague bullet points defining their VERY OWN PERSONAL PHILOSOPHY! It’s like picking out clothes. I’m convinced that most atheists and new age/spiritualists would agree with this single statement: Perception is reality. When you believe something as self-centered and disassociated as that, you aren’t limited to customizing your physical appearance; now you can customize your very being, and even customize your own reality. To people who are evading God it is the most appealing thing to be able to simply believe in science fiction/spiritualist renditions of the afterlife.
Another point: She says “I choose not to believe in anything specifically” Well, obviously she does believe a lot of specific things… She says her alternative is a big question mark… once again, this just leaves her in a spiritual Macy’s. She might buy a lot of different clothes from Macy’s, she might not have a set “style”, but she sure does have some favorite clothes.
@@D1sc0rd- i see,thanks for that iinfo, at least i can see now how they think. It's very sad though that it may cause them eternity without God if they go on with this arrogance and pride just because they learn some stuff in college.
Higher energy as in getting "high" in mushroom and psychedelics. I did it before and once you did it it will give you a sense of "enlightenment" telling you everything is equal, theres no evil or good, we are all one, there is no religion. Up to the point where it will make you feel there is no God, we are all Gods. God is an energy just like us... And I almost went in and dive in this ludracris.. Its the devil tricking your minds once you take these psychedelics. It would rather have you believing in other thing like oneness, higher energy etc than to believe in the lord Jesus Christ.
College kid takes an undergraduate course in philosophy and they think they know everything and they are gonna take down Justin Martyr, Aquinas, Augustine, Arminius, Calvin, Locke, Pascal, Newton, Dostoevsky, and Plantiga.
It really is quite something to see a person who was viciously fighting the gospel of Christ finally melt just enough to where he will allow the thought process to present the evidence to his SOUL. It is like we are seeing evidence of Holy Spirit getting through to the person, and winning that heart over, moment by moment. AWESOME
I think once Cliffe changes his apologetic to the pressupositional route it will be too powerful for the atheist to stand against. Even though I have seen traces of him using this apologetic he seems to always take the "probably God" route which is actually against scripture which is an apologetic that William Lane Craig uses in debates. We shouldn't put God in the dock and make the unbeliever the judge. I believe that's what happens in nearly every Give Me An Answer video and I've watched everyone for the past year or so. Evidence is a great thing that God has given us and we can use it many ways to strengthen our faith but even using evidence to prove something biblical to an atheist means we are still putting the unbeliever in charge over God's revelatory word. So this is an encouragement to Cliffe, adopt the pressupositional apologetic as it's the most biblical and will destroy the world view of the Atheist etc. God bless and in love :-)
i see what you mean. i can't imagine the disciples arguing for the "probable God" back in those days. but i think its mainly because Cliffe is using the holy cow of logic that atheists hold high, against their beliefs, as common ground, so he has to hold to the logical models
Was that to me? If it was, I Didn't realise I mentioned a 100% success rate for using Pre-Sup! This, my friend, was an observational comment. It's the Holy Spirit who convicts and regenerates not the apologetic but I was merely stating that the presuppositional route is a more devastating blow to the atheistic world view. I didn't realise you had to have your own apologetics videos to comment on UA-cam nowadays?! Do you have any of your own videos on apologetics? Perhaps you have some good teaching to show the Christian brethren to help them engage atheists and other world views? God bless :-)
that heckler who ran in wasn't taught manners. the reason those students were there is because they seek God and are looking to be full in life. time has proven to me that the only thing that can fill the emptiness in me is God. no idols like food and videogames can bring you peace
It’s always obvious that the difference between Cliffe and the person he is speaking to are arguing for very different reasons. Cliffe is trying to bring people to God for their own sake, the other person is just trying to win an argument so he can seem intellectually superior to others.
Guy asks cliff to not interject, while only taking a second to breathe and continue to ask a multitude of questions he doesn't want an answer to. Presuppositions truly bog down our ability to be open. Please those who are seeing this video and comments, dont conduct yourself as this individual
Yes and you can see how painful it is for him. He wants to hold on to 5th grade so badly. It's up to all of us to think about the future and live for it and let the past subside. Otherwise, how could we ever forgive ourselves and other people for anything?
Great videos. Thank you for your ministry, Cliffe. Really looking forward to high-five you in heaven 😍 before your video started, there was a bad advertisement, can you change that or does UA-cam manage those advertisements? Cheers from Germany, a sister in Christ
Haha, you rock Pastor Cliff 👏👏👏👍, I love all your videos, thank you for reminding me how Loving and Caring our Heavenly Father and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is, God bless you and your family 🙏❤️.
+Maina Dan That's nonsense. Just because it's dark where light is not, doesn't mean some sort of "balance" is being demonstrated. Choose whom you will serve...
diybunny you call your self a christian but you are full of shit mr.diybunny and a hypocrite. why do you have to care about someones pro pic than yours.
***** I have met Jesus, the manifestation of God to Humanity as The Hero that we need! :) If you need a drink of water, everything that isn't water registers HUGE on the view screen of your mind...there is no question of "balance!" Lol! The thing we need a hero to rescue us from is our "big giant heads" that pull us away from FAITH, the thing we need right now like a drink of water for our dehydrated souls. We don't have any control over how it gets sucked away from us, like the sea from Spongebob & Patrick when they get hijacked to the "Gift Shop" up on the shore! We need to be saved from a loveless society & when we figure that out, we start looking for the Saviour to give us a drink of the water that He offered the woman at the well! (John 4:6-29)
That girl seemed reasonable she just wanted a different answer, she didn’t have an alternative she wanted you to convince her to believe. But then again it takes faith and that’s what she doesn’t have
The man that came out yelling that said he was Christian. Wow. Dear Lord, I pray for these young people. In Jesus name, thank you that a seed has been sown. Let the barriers be broken down and save them, Lord. Amen
I genuinely and sincerely, from the bottom of my soul, believe Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God, God the Son himself. I therefore take his warnings about losing our individual souls very very seriously. Because the simple truth is that Jesus is EXACTLY who he says he is, namely God himself and the consequences of NOT believing in him are very serious indeed. Jesus said if we do not put our faith in him before we die, we will be separated from him forever in a place Jesus himself called Hell. Just think of the shock at the moment we die when we find out Jesus was indeed God, and the die is cast. There will be no second chances. That is why I send these messages in the hope that they help someone to find the truth. Jesus is the Son of God, believe and be saved
Amen!!! As an online evangelist and campus missionary at University of Arizona, I applaud you for sharing the shocking reality of what will come for all of us after we die! Amen! I pray many reas this and deal with their eternal destiny!
To discuss Jesus’ divinity credibly, one should review all relevant evidence, similar to how judges, historians, juries, and scientists assess information. However, interpretations in religious matters are often subjective, influenced by personal beliefs, making definitive conclusions challenging. Blessed those who haven’t seen yet believe.
I fear that if this world continues to be this stubborn and argue their own understanding out of God's words. Then Hell is becoming more wider. These visions and Dreams of Rapture will be frightening.
To be looking down on the concept of believers "Referencing a book" denigrates the sacredness of its contents...& purposely so. The swaggering posturing of Cliffe's challenger from the very beginning made it hard for me to watch him beyond a few seconds. It's embarrassing, the behaviour that the Pride Spirit causes to manifest in its captives, trying to turn them into irritating buzzing flies...
+diybunny Yes, it's annoying how he keeps getting up in Cliffe's space & making with the fake "I-surrender-all" gestures...I keep expecting him to fall onto his back on the grass like Iggle Piggle, lol! It would be comical if it weren't so concerningly Hitleresque! I'm concerned for his soul! Let's all us believers start praying for the poor dude...
God gave this man a gift of incredible patience. The hardest thing in about apologetics with most atheists (especially college age) is they are intelictually dishonest and will constantly change the gosl post instead of sticking with the premise they chose. "I believe in abject proof but simultaneously believe in abstract concepts like love as being real and absolute"
The Euthyphro Dilemma implies that goodness or morality has to have as its source or standard a non-living abstract entity. It assumes that this standard can't be a living being or entity because the pronouncements of any living entity must be arbitrary and have at their root an ulterior motive. The Euthyphro Dilemma never gives a reason for this, but my suspicion is that it is at least in part because it emerged from Greco-Roman polytheism, the gods of which were as morally frail as any mortal. It was difficult for them to imagine a morally pure god. But not only is there no reason to think this is true, there is a very good reason to think it's false: Goodness requires intent. Any "good" thing that happens to you without intent behind it is actually not good but just dumb luck. If goodness requires intent, then its source and standard must be filled with it, and only living things can form intent. Only the God of the Bible qualifies for this position. On the other hand, if it is impossible in this philosophy student's view that God could be morally pure and therefore God's moral standard is necessarily arbitrary, then there is no reason to think that an abstract non-living source or standard of morality isn't also just as arbitrary, for the same reason or reasons he gives for God's moral standard being arbitrary. There is nothing magical about being an inanimate abstraction that makes any moral code that somehow proceeds from it pure, and nothing about consciousness that makes a living source of morality necessarily arbitrary.
superbeedge The bible does not say if a man rapes a woman she has to marry him. That was something that got twisted up and spread. Read the actual scripture my man. It talks about a couple having consentual sex, they must get married after. It says if a man is caught having sex with a woman and she doesnt cry rape(meaning she was actually doing it with him on purpose) then he must pay the father and marry her. Stop taking out of context.
How else would you interpret Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days." Do you believe seize and seduce are the same thing.
SuperSlartibartfast Hebrew uses a different word for forcible rape. We see that word in other passages where the context is very clear. You have to remember that the Bible was not written in English, so even if "seizes" is a good word to use in the translation or was a good word to use in the translation previously, we shouldn't read too much into modern connotations of that word. For questionable Bible verses, it's always best to look up a detailed translation. One reason that the word "seizes" and even "rape" were used in translating this passage is that having consensual sex with a virgin was in older times considered to be somewhat similar to small age difference statutory rape. The guy took advantage of a presumably younger girl, and so he has to honor it by marrying her (else she would not find a husband).
The woman in the purple shirt in the background asked who created God to another person in the crowd and she seemed very sure in herself while doing so but she's misunderstanding our argument completely!! It's not that all things in existence need an explanation or a creator... we are saying that everything that suddenly comes into existence has a cause...babies don't just pop into existence without cause a baby comes into existence when it's parents caused it to, the same thing goes for the universe...science says the universe isn't eternal 2nd law of thermo so our universe just one day suddenly came into existence who or what caused it??nothing ever just pops into existence without cause. The christian claim about God and what we believe God revealed to us is that He didn't just pop into existence as we know our universe did. God has always been so therfore His existence doesn't require a cause He has always existed outside the dimensions of our universe.
"How does a self defined semi-evolved ape win a debate"? Or more importantly how you lose one proving u have no credability! 1) Ask yourself are you honestly pursuing the truth, or are you merely out to win an argument? * Do u start by ridiculing your opponent, his character, qualifications, background gender etc? * Have u read more than his first sentence and tried to clarify your opponents' strongest position, rather than attacking his weakest point, then strawmaning it? * have you attempted a facts-based, point-by-point rebuttal or as a substitute for a cogent response, merely quoted from a list of irrelevant logical fallacies? *is your normal strategy to resort to an insulting tone to demean and disrespect your adversary? *Do you ignore, or try to shout down an opinion you disagree with? *is your ego in a kind of intellectual prize fight, trying to land a low blow or sucker punch, by deliberately mis-representing the opponent's position. * worst still, if someone offers a personal opinion on politics, religion, morality or lifestyle that you disagree with, do u often call it out as "hate speech" when it isnt.? *is your typical strategy to spin or dumb down an argument by quote mining it i. e. Inferring a meaning or conclusion that the author never intended? Over the past decade of doing apologetics, I've come to realise from deniers' typical one-liners, ipse dixit assertions, often laced with profanities show they don't care, don't understand or just want to shock. Free speech is about the free exchange of ideas, respecting your opponent and seeking the truth, based on appropriate evidence and verifiable facts.
This is awesome but it's really hard to turn these people's hearts and minds with just talk. These talks just keep going in circles. Our words need to be backed up by signs and wonders. Romans 15:19 - They were convinced by the power of miraculous signs and wonders and by the power of God's Spirit. In this way, I have fully presented the Good News of Christ from Jerusalem all the way to Illyricum.
@@JohnjOcampo Sorry --- I corrected an autocorrect misspell. Why do you make the leap to atheism? Spiritual growth depends on challenging one's faith. Rote memorization is a retardation of spiritual growth. This is why Christians get stuck in addiction later in life--- they misunderstand what Jesus was truly here for. "To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth." cc
@@carefulcarpenter can you back up that statistic? From my experience in life people who don't believe in God tend to commit suicide or become addicts. Jesus was more than clear, deny your sinful nature and follow me. Ofcourse You would make that complicated since you could never deny your flesh.
I honestly don't know who was worse between the 1st guy & the 2nd girl. The second girl said that there is no evidence to support Christ existence but then when asked what conclusion has she come up with that what she believes is a better alternative, she says she believes in the big question mark? Unbelievable smh
I like Cliffe, but I think he tries to defend his position too much, and does not ask others to defend theirs. For example, the girl said she didn't think there was enough evidence for Jesus, Cliffe should have asked her why she thought that.
He did ask her what she believes, but was interrupted by emotionally driven screaming Christian kid at 19.00 I lolled, but yes you are right often times it is him having to explain himself over and over again.
I like alot of the things Cliff shares, he's got a lot of Honesty, Lot of heart. Respect what his character shows. Gotta say though😅 The "Crash" Movie, which I've seen as an example or lesson? Maybe Not The Best 😬😂 ... just because you know, he saved her from dying in the car, but if someone saves someone, but originally doesn't care to not grope the women of their own moral weakness... Saving Her doesn't make him a saint, Granted at least it wasn't SA he did. I see what he's getting at, but it lands me with kinda an ick. Maybe pick an example where they didn't molest the person before they saved their life, it's conflicting.😆
I find some of these kids are Clif talks to are so daft but then I remember what Christ said "they will have eyes that don't see ears that don't hear and Minds that don't think . " . Satan is really working hard on bringing as many as he can to hell with him when Christ makes His Final judgement .
12:10 you’ve been given enough evidence in creation and conscience , you’re just like the rest of us, no one seeks after God. Some might think they are, but there’s people who spend decades studying Scripture just to find “arguments” against it
Jesus paid a huge ransom with his pure blood for all of us, and saying that is not enough evidence for me, then turn to Jesus in prayer, repent, ask for forgiveness and do this - Romans Chapter 10: verses 9, 10. Jesus Holy Spirit will make you alive from within! ✝
Thank God heaven is not a floating city in the clouds. The fact that Heaven is in a spiritual realm, is a difficult concept to ponder, however, God is spirit, and dwells in that spiritual realm.
That first kid is infuriating to listen too and I don’t know what these other kids are clapping about. He did a lot of talking and said basically nothing.
"I don't believe in a static way of thinking" *is* a static way of thinking.
"I choose not to believe in anything specifically" *is* a specific belief.
Self defeating statements are the bread and butter of atheism. It is important to point them out, whenever they're used to disprove God's existence.
I love that at the end of his speech there's a beam of light shining on him
I always believe that means something. It happens to me all. The time and I think that's gods way of saying "I'm watching you and you are apart of my holiness. You are blessed. I bless you and you are as blessed as I want you to be because you keep my commandments." And I know people notice too. But they might be too afraid to admit it.
25:45
26:00
Yeah you're right.
God wanted to make sure Cliffe got that good lighting.😂
It’s funny how emotional these kids get trying to prove this theory of evolution.
Lol these are kids who probably never studied anyways
Then a direct personal experience creates intense curiousity. Meaning is discovered; it cannot be reasoned. The Bible is symbolic--- a collection of mythologies supported by ancient observations.
Wisdom is never taught; wisdom is revealed.
Evolution is not science. It is a religion same as ours.
@@carefulcarpenter that's your theory, mine is that Jesus Christ is a historical person and he died and rose from the dead.
@@JohnjOcampo An allegory--- how does that fit the Bible?
What is your role in all of this?
My gosh! The first student is all over the place. As an aspiring Philosopher and Apologist I can tell you if Cliffe were to contradict himself like this student did I would unsubscribe immediately.
It is hypocritical for any moral relativist and/or humanist to ever say that something is wrong based on morals.
I've watched everyone of your videos and I think these two students have been the hardest to watch, just an arrogance to them, not seeking truth at all, just trying to win the argument.
idk the muslim woman was worse in my opinion.
The believer in atheist Dogma has no interest in seeking truth or engaging in a civilized discourse -- his only motivation is to harm others by chipping away at faith
and attacking Theists, both verbally and physically.
@@1godonlyone119 they are of there father the devil and it shows
I totally agree with you Spicemaster1!
Everyone is either running to or from truth
Energy can’t judge u or have a relationship with u. People just don’t want to be held accountable for their sinful ways
Can you tell me how Christ is different than a book I read in 5th grade? This young man was accepted into a University? So troubling.
Than a book he WROTE in 5th grade, if I recall correctly, which makes it that much more troubling.
@@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024 can you show me a video on UA-cam where Jesus rose from the dead after he said that I paused the video for a minute because I was downfounded by he's stupidity and ignorance.
How disrespectful you are to compare our lord to a book.!!!..
This is what happens when certain folks profess themselves to be wise..... they become fools.
I don’t think casting judgement is appropriate here, that’s not the point. We’re extremely blessed to have a society that invites and allows the prejudice and uneducated to learn, grow and expand their minds through an understanding of history, language and belief.
That young man is asking so many great questions and Cliffe if giving some very good answers. The fact that he asked "what makes christianity and Jesus special" means the seed has been planted. I'm so glad I found this channel.
@anneduke4876- I found this ministry by accident and continued watching because we have 20-something year old sons. I ask them questions about their beliefs as well. I totally agree that the seed has been planted in this fist young man’s heart/mind. In fact, as I was praying and asking God about our own sons, the Lord’s still small voice said the seed was in the ground. I am encouraged and I pray that our next generation comes to know Christ.
God's intrinsic, eternal character is objectively good: therefore his instructions are objectively good.
This Man is briliant. The intelectual consistency Is awesome 👏
The girl with glasses says "I will believe there is a higher energy..." are you kidding me. Where do these kids get these things?
clifford sy Satan has decieved them my friend it's sad...
I feel justified in making this sweeping generalization I’m about to make because I’m a former atheist.
They don’t get it from anywhere. They hear the idea, think, “yeah, that sounds good”, and add it to their repertoire of vague bullet points defining their VERY OWN PERSONAL PHILOSOPHY! It’s like picking out clothes. I’m convinced that most atheists and new age/spiritualists would agree with this single statement: Perception is reality. When you believe something as self-centered and disassociated as that, you aren’t limited to customizing your physical appearance; now you can customize your very being, and even customize your own reality. To people who are evading God it is the most appealing thing to be able to simply believe in science fiction/spiritualist renditions of the afterlife.
Another point:
She says “I choose not to believe in anything specifically”
Well, obviously she does believe a lot of specific things… She says her alternative is a big question mark… once again, this just leaves her in a spiritual Macy’s. She might buy a lot of different clothes from Macy’s, she might not have a set “style”, but she sure does have some favorite clothes.
@@D1sc0rd- i see,thanks for that iinfo, at least i can see now how they think. It's very sad though that it may cause them eternity without God if they go on with this arrogance and pride just because they learn some stuff in college.
Higher energy as in getting "high" in mushroom and psychedelics. I did it before and once you did it it will give you a sense of "enlightenment" telling you everything is equal, theres no evil or good, we are all one, there is no religion. Up to the point where it will make you feel there is no God, we are all Gods. God is an energy just like us... And I almost went in and dive in this ludracris.. Its the devil tricking your minds once you take these psychedelics. It would rather have you believing in other thing like oneness, higher energy etc than to believe in the lord Jesus Christ.
College kid takes an undergraduate course in philosophy and they think they know everything and they are gonna take down Justin Martyr, Aquinas, Augustine, Arminius, Calvin, Locke, Pascal, Newton, Dostoevsky, and Plantiga.
😂😂
wow that was awesome Cliff
God bless you Cliff, that was good 👍, nothing can stand against truth, truth will win
It really is quite something to see a person who was viciously fighting the gospel of Christ finally melt just enough to where he will allow the thought process to present the evidence to his SOUL. It is like we are seeing evidence of Holy Spirit getting through to the person, and winning that heart over, moment by moment. AWESOME
I think once Cliffe changes his apologetic to the pressupositional route it will be too powerful for the atheist to stand against. Even though I have seen traces of him using this apologetic he seems to always take the "probably God" route which is actually against scripture which is an apologetic that William Lane Craig uses in debates. We shouldn't put God in the dock and make the unbeliever the judge. I believe that's what happens in nearly every Give Me An Answer video and I've watched everyone for the past year or so. Evidence is a great thing that God has given us and we can use it many ways to strengthen our faith but even using evidence to prove something biblical to an atheist means we are still putting the unbeliever in charge over God's revelatory word. So this is an encouragement to Cliffe, adopt the pressupositional apologetic as it's the most biblical and will destroy the world view of the Atheist etc. God bless and in love :-)
i see what you mean. i can't imagine the disciples arguing for the "probable God" back in those days.
but i think its mainly because Cliffe is using the holy cow of logic that atheists hold high, against their beliefs, as common ground, so he has to hold to the logical models
Ok so where are your apologetics videos? If you have found the only way that is 100% effective 100% of the time I want to see it
Was that to me? If it was, I Didn't realise I mentioned a 100% success rate for using Pre-Sup! This, my friend, was an observational comment. It's the Holy Spirit who convicts and regenerates not the apologetic but I was merely stating that the presuppositional route is a more devastating blow to the atheistic world view. I didn't realise you had to have your own apologetics videos to comment on UA-cam nowadays?! Do you have any of your own videos on apologetics? Perhaps you have some good teaching to show the Christian brethren to help them engage atheists and other world views? God bless :-)
@@SharifShoker God bless your precious soul!
Even if it’s not Biblical, the Holy Spirit bared witness to it still. Cliffe is a pastor after all.
that heckler who ran in wasn't taught manners. the reason those students were there is because they seek God and are looking to be full in life. time has proven to me that the only thing that can fill the emptiness in me is God. no idols like food and videogames can bring you peace
The "heckler" exposed his despising of the Truth. Never about not enough, always about rebellion and selfishness.
It’s always obvious that the difference between Cliffe and the person he is speaking to are arguing for very different reasons. Cliffe is trying to bring people to God for their own sake, the other person is just trying to win an argument so he can seem intellectually superior to others.
Guy asks cliff to not interject, while only taking a second to breathe and continue to ask a multitude of questions he doesn't want an answer to. Presuppositions truly bog down our ability to be open. Please those who are seeing this video and comments, dont conduct yourself as this individual
*Thank you Cliffe.*
It’s ALARMING the reasoning of these kids
7:35 He spoke really good about this AMAZING!!!
That guy with his book is so confused.
Yes and you can see how painful it is for him. He wants to hold on to 5th grade so badly. It's up to all of us to think about the future and live for it and let the past subside. Otherwise, how could we ever forgive ourselves and other people for anything?
It's interesting how offended some of the students are. I've watched tons of your videos and love them!
Funny how kid rejects the legitimacy of the Bible but trusting his Philosophy book 😑
Great videos. Thank you for your ministry, Cliffe. Really looking forward to high-five you in heaven 😍 before your video started, there was a bad advertisement, can you change that or does UA-cam manage those advertisements? Cheers from Germany, a sister in Christ
Without God, there could be no objective means for determining whether anything is simplistic
or sophisticated, and yet there are.
Haha, you rock Pastor Cliff 👏👏👏👍, I love all your videos, thank you for reminding me how Loving and Caring our Heavenly Father and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is, God bless you and your family 🙏❤️.
The young lady likes to call the shots. She is in charge. She likes playing God. We all do it did. Thank you Holy Spirit!
God blesses Cliff. He is humble and wise and patient 🙏
7:48 The homie in the back's face expression changing suddenly always sends me lol
cliffe don’t miss😤
God is the author of the Holy Bible, not man.
I absolutely agree with Cliffe as I hold exactly the same views
😂Cliffs patience is unmatched though the pacing back n forth had me dizzy
I like this kind debate or discussion, amazing, i think that's the best way to engage with university students. #JustBrilliantWayOfDialogue
+Truth Hunter Maybe, but you have a VERY ugly channel icon...it's hard to care what you think while I'm looking at it...
+Maina Dan You need more of the "joyful spirit of a sound mind!" (:D I'll pray you find Him!
+Maina Dan That's nonsense. Just because it's dark where light is not, doesn't mean some sort of "balance" is being demonstrated. Choose whom you will serve...
diybunny you call your self a christian but you are full of shit mr.diybunny and a hypocrite. why do you have to care about someones pro pic than yours.
***** I have met Jesus, the manifestation of God to Humanity as The Hero that we need! :) If you need a drink of water, everything that isn't water registers HUGE on the view screen of your mind...there is no question of "balance!" Lol! The thing we need a hero to rescue us from is our "big giant heads" that pull us away from FAITH, the thing we need right now like a drink of water for our dehydrated souls. We don't have any control over how it gets sucked away from us, like the sea from Spongebob & Patrick when they get hijacked to the "Gift Shop" up on the shore! We need to be saved from a loveless society & when we figure that out, we start looking for the Saviour to give us a drink of the water that He offered the woman at the well! (John 4:6-29)
The girl in the black-rimmed glasses doesn't know what the word _existential_ means! LOL
That girl seemed reasonable she just wanted a different answer, she didn’t have an alternative she wanted you to convince her to believe. But then again it takes faith and that’s what she doesn’t have
Without God, there could be no Science, and yet there is.
Without God, taking away someone's free will could not be objectively wrong, and yet it is.
The man that came out yelling that said he was Christian. Wow. Dear Lord, I pray for these young people. In Jesus name, thank you that a seed has been sown. Let the barriers be broken down and save them, Lord. Amen
Good on ya sir! I'm sure you cut the video because they wouldn't have that intellectual grasp of faith. Great job standing for The Christ.
Father I wish I could come see you!
ba hum bug i see you on UA-cam thats all i need. But I'm sure your energy is clarity
If everyone is as entitled as you, to have your own faith and moral authority - then you cannot judge anyone else’s evil. And evil will persist!!
The guy @19:05 was very disrespectful. He forgot that Cliff is an adult, so his manners.
they lady in the back agreeing her head of
Wow intence!
That women kept talking... how sad. Crash is a great movie HAHAHAHHA
I genuinely and sincerely, from the bottom of my soul, believe Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God, God the Son himself. I therefore take his warnings about losing our individual souls very very seriously. Because the simple truth is that Jesus is EXACTLY who he says he is, namely God himself and the consequences of NOT believing in him are very serious indeed. Jesus said if we do not put our faith in him before we die, we will be separated from him forever in a place Jesus himself called Hell. Just think of the shock at the moment we die when we find out Jesus was indeed God, and the die is cast. There will be no second chances. That is why I send these messages in the hope that they help someone to find the truth. Jesus is the Son of God, believe and be saved
Amen!!! As an online evangelist and campus missionary at University of Arizona, I applaud you for sharing the shocking reality of what will come for all of us after we die! Amen! I pray many reas this and deal with their eternal destiny!
Brilliant
Psalms 1,
Psalms 24,
Haggai 2:8,
Psalms 139,
1 Corinthians 13:8-13,
11 Timothy 3:6,
Hebrews 9:27,
Hebrews 13:8,
Man just 10 seconds in and when you boil it down it’s either human pride or love of sin that blinds us all, we’re not that complex 😂
To discuss Jesus’ divinity credibly, one should review all relevant evidence, similar to how judges, historians, juries, and scientists assess information. However, interpretations in religious matters are often subjective, influenced by personal beliefs, making definitive conclusions challenging. Blessed those who haven’t seen yet believe.
Cliff walk back and forth like he in a mma fight
I fear that if this world continues to be this stubborn and argue their own understanding out of God's words. Then Hell is becoming more wider. These visions and Dreams of Rapture will be frightening.
To be looking down on the concept of believers "Referencing a book" denigrates the sacredness of its contents...& purposely so. The swaggering posturing of Cliffe's challenger from the very beginning made it hard for me to watch him beyond a few seconds. It's embarrassing, the behaviour that the Pride Spirit causes to manifest in its captives, trying to turn them into irritating buzzing flies...
+diybunny Yes, it's annoying how he keeps getting up in Cliffe's space & making with the fake "I-surrender-all" gestures...I keep expecting him to fall onto his back on the grass like Iggle Piggle, lol! It would be comical if it weren't so concerningly Hitleresque! I'm concerned for his soul! Let's all us believers start praying for the poor dude...
Amazing
God gave this man a gift of incredible patience. The hardest thing in about apologetics with most atheists (especially college age) is they are intelictually dishonest and will constantly change the gosl post instead of sticking with the premise they chose.
"I believe in abject proof but simultaneously believe in abstract concepts like love as being real and absolute"
The guy Cliff is debating with keeps turning around and wanting help from his friends because he realizes he is outmatched
The Euthyphro Dilemma implies that goodness or morality has to have as its source or standard a non-living abstract entity. It assumes that this standard can't be a living being or entity because the pronouncements of any living entity must be arbitrary and have at their root an ulterior motive.
The Euthyphro Dilemma never gives a reason for this, but my suspicion is that it is at least in part because it emerged from Greco-Roman polytheism, the gods of which were as morally frail as any mortal. It was difficult for them to imagine a morally pure god.
But not only is there no reason to think this is true, there is a very good reason to think it's false: Goodness requires intent. Any "good" thing that happens to you without intent behind it is actually not good but just dumb luck.
If goodness requires intent, then its source and standard must be filled with it, and only living things can form intent. Only the God of the Bible qualifies for this position.
On the other hand, if it is impossible in this philosophy student's view that God could be morally pure and therefore God's moral standard is necessarily arbitrary, then there is no reason to think that an abstract non-living source or standard of morality isn't also just as arbitrary, for the same reason or reasons he gives for God's moral standard being arbitrary.
There is nothing magical about being an inanimate abstraction that makes any moral code that somehow proceeds from it pure, and nothing about consciousness that makes a living source of morality necessarily arbitrary.
superbeedge The bible does not say if a man rapes a woman she has to marry him. That was something that got twisted up and spread. Read the actual scripture my man. It talks about a couple having consentual sex, they must get married after. It says if a man is caught having sex with a woman and she doesnt cry rape(meaning she was actually doing it with him on purpose) then he must pay the father and marry her. Stop taking out of context.
How else would you interpret Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days." Do you believe seize and seduce are the same thing.
You are correct on all counts, Ian.
*****
The text says SEIZES. It is clearly non-consensual and to try to defend it shows moral bankruptcy.
Ian is correct on all counts, as a quick look into the original Hebrew confirms.
=)
SuperSlartibartfast Hebrew uses a different word for forcible rape. We see that word in other
passages where the context is very clear. You have to remember that the Bible was not written in English, so even if
"seizes" is a good word to use in the translation or was a good word to use in the translation
previously, we shouldn't read too much into modern connotations of that word. For questionable
Bible verses, it's always best to look up a detailed translation. One reason that the word
"seizes" and even "rape" were used in translating this passage is that having consensual
sex with a virgin was in older times considered to be somewhat similar to small age difference
statutory rape. The guy took advantage of a presumably younger girl, and so he has to honor it
by marrying her (else she would not find a husband).
The woman in the purple shirt in the background asked who created God to another person in the crowd and she seemed very sure in herself while doing so but she's misunderstanding our argument completely!! It's not that all things in existence need an explanation or a creator... we are saying that everything that suddenly comes into existence has a cause...babies don't just pop into existence without cause a baby comes into existence when it's parents caused it to, the same thing goes for the universe...science says the universe isn't eternal 2nd law of thermo so our universe just one day suddenly came into existence who or what caused it??nothing ever just pops into existence without cause.
The christian claim about God and what we believe God revealed to us is that He didn't just pop into existence as we know our universe did. God has always been so therfore His existence doesn't require a cause He has always existed outside the dimensions of our universe.
Love
Love that first guy lol
Without God, none of us could have any objective value, and yet we do.
Bro sounded smart til he went on about 5th grade books 😭
"How does a self defined semi-evolved ape win a debate"?
Or more importantly how you lose one proving u have no credability!
1) Ask yourself are you
honestly pursuing the truth, or are you merely out to win an argument?
* Do u start by ridiculing your opponent, his character, qualifications, background gender etc?
* Have u read more than his first sentence and tried to clarify your opponents' strongest position, rather than attacking his weakest point, then strawmaning it?
* have you attempted a facts-based, point-by-point rebuttal or as a substitute for a cogent response, merely quoted from a list of irrelevant logical fallacies?
*is your normal strategy to resort to an insulting tone to demean and disrespect your adversary?
*Do you ignore, or try to shout down an opinion you disagree with?
*is your ego in a kind of intellectual prize fight, trying to land a low blow or sucker punch, by deliberately mis-representing the opponent's position.
* worst still, if someone offers a personal opinion on politics, religion, morality or lifestyle that you disagree with, do u often call it out as "hate speech" when it isnt.?
*is your typical strategy to spin or dumb down an argument by quote mining it i. e. Inferring a meaning or conclusion that the author never intended?
Over the past decade of doing apologetics, I've come to realise from deniers' typical one-liners, ipse dixit assertions, often laced with profanities show they don't care, don't understand or just want to shock.
Free speech is about the free exchange of ideas, respecting your opponent and seeking the truth, based on appropriate evidence and verifiable facts.
Without God, there could be no consciousness, and yet there is.
All human beings know for certain that God's unique qualities and activities are factual,
and this includes you.
Amen! I was not made by a chance. God made me.
There is Satan in the crowd like the guy shouting trying to disrupt.
This dude with book irritates me. Cliffe i feel for u here brother.God bless
This guy hates cliff with a passion
This is awesome but it's really hard to turn these people's hearts and minds with just talk. These talks just keep going in circles. Our words need to be backed up by signs and wonders. Romans 15:19 - They were convinced by the power of miraculous signs and wonders and by the power of God's Spirit. In this way, I have fully presented the Good News of Christ from Jerusalem all the way to Illyricum.
Callum Coker Amen
So you trust in your Question 🙋♂️ mark for your Eternal Security rather than in JESUS Christ ? Silly girl
INTEGRITY vs. REGRET. A lifetime of cognitive growth. Which path will you take?
I choose Jesus and put my faith in him.
@@JohnjOcampo Faith gets one of courage just to the end of the high diving board. Trust is the work that Faith alone lacks.
@@carefulcarpenter why put your faith in the fertilizer pit?
Because atheism is complete despair.
@@JohnjOcampo Sorry --- I corrected an autocorrect misspell.
Why do you make the leap to atheism? Spiritual growth depends on challenging one's faith. Rote memorization is a retardation of spiritual growth. This is why Christians get stuck in addiction later in life--- they misunderstand what Jesus was truly here for.
"To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth."
cc
@@carefulcarpenter can you back up that statistic?
From my experience in life people who don't believe in God tend to commit suicide or become addicts.
Jesus was more than clear, deny your sinful nature and follow me. Ofcourse You would make that complicated since you could never deny your flesh.
Thinking like a human can only go so far ... lol😂
19:00 oh my…
I honestly don't know who was worse between the 1st guy & the 2nd girl. The second girl said that there is no evidence to support Christ existence but then when asked what conclusion has she come up with that what she believes is a better alternative, she says she believes in the big question mark? Unbelievable smh
I like Cliffe, but I think he tries to defend his position too much, and does not ask others to defend theirs. For example, the girl said she didn't think there was enough evidence for Jesus, Cliffe should have asked her why she thought that.
He did ask her what she believes, but was interrupted by emotionally driven screaming Christian kid at 19.00 I lolled, but yes you are right often times it is him having to explain himself over and over again.
Everybody has value and morality is relative.
Then why are you arguing with someone?
I like alot of the things Cliff shares, he's got a lot of Honesty, Lot of heart. Respect what his character shows. Gotta say though😅 The "Crash" Movie, which I've seen as an example or lesson? Maybe Not The Best 😬😂 ... just because you know, he saved her from dying in the car, but if someone saves someone, but originally doesn't care to not grope the women of their own moral weakness... Saving Her doesn't make him a saint, Granted at least it wasn't SA he did. I see what he's getting at, but it lands me with kinda an ick. Maybe pick an example where they didn't molest the person before they saved their life, it's conflicting.😆
Without God, moral ideals could not matter objectively, and yet they do.
Why did they clap for him? Was that supposed to be a good point?
I wrote a essay on the lottery in class English 1 and 2
12:25 The Bible says specifically that we are judged on things we do during our lives.
I find some of these kids are Clif talks to are so daft but then I remember what Christ said "they will have eyes that don't see ears that don't hear and Minds that don't think . " . Satan is really working hard on bringing as many as he can to hell with him when Christ makes His Final judgement .
12:10 you’ve been given enough evidence in creation and conscience , you’re just like the rest of us, no one seeks after God. Some might think they are, but there’s people who spend decades studying Scripture just to find “arguments” against it
Eye witness testimony is enough to put people away for life but not enough to believe in miracles 🤷🏽♂️
The first guy never learned personal space concepts
That first guy got owned
Cliff went Michael Jordan on them 1996-1997 prime Jordan.
Jesus paid a huge ransom with his pure blood for all of us, and saying that is not enough evidence for me, then turn to Jesus in prayer, repent, ask for forgiveness and do this - Romans Chapter 10: verses 9, 10. Jesus Holy Spirit will make you alive from within! ✝
Thank God heaven is not a floating city in the clouds. The fact that Heaven is in a spiritual realm, is a difficult concept to ponder, however, God is spirit, and dwells in that spiritual realm.
I don't have enough faith to be an atheist
There’s proof right there
Without God, there could be no objective right and wrong, and yet there are.
The main reason most of these children can’t hear what cliff has to say because of their own egos and pride
They’re seriously asking Who created God.. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Does the robotic green-shirted chanter have a Definition of 'imagination' as experienced by himself...with his "consciousness that's real to us"...???
That first kid is infuriating to listen too and I don’t know what these other kids are clapping about. He did a lot of talking and said basically nothing.