The major problem with the race known as the "Engineers," is that we don't know the slightest thing about "Them." Oh yes, we can point at artifacts and say "That was made by the Engineers," but what about their culture? What songs do they sing, what stories do they tell? Until we know this basic information, we will not be able to take any meaningful action. We may not even be completely certain that the engineers are in fact the "Border Bombers."
Honestly that is something that should not be answered similar to how some books or audio dramas try to explain the Xenomorph's train of thought. Some things aren't meant to be known. What we do know is that Engineers apparently can see sound and they use sound to control some of their tech like the flute. Go find samples of radio frequency created by planets and other celestial bodies (I personally think some of them sound like something of a horror) and imagine what this engineers see.
The attacks seem too small and infrequent to be an Engineer campaign of genocide. Surely they’re such an advanced race that they could easily wipe out all human worlds within mere decades? I think there’s a more likely candidate. Someone who knows how to operate Engineer ships and the pathogen, but doesn’t have the power or numbers for a full campaign of genocide. Someone who could very well be angered by someone else doing their own meddling in Xenomorph DNA. Someone who we know for a *fact* has carried out an identical attack before. ‘Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.’
Im unsure if the colony war and aliens fireteam elite are close to each other on the timeline, but I do know that Weyland Yutani (briefly, although exactly for how long im unsure) did posses an Engineer ship filled with Pathogen containers that, according to the last protocols of the AI maintaining the facility the ship had been docked in, had been intended to be sent on autopilot to a research station orbiting Earth. Now, given the *ample* supply of Pathogen not only on the ship, but on the planet it was located on (Not to mention Pala station's actual purpose being to study the effects of said pathogen in a controlled environment), you could say that perhaps Weyland Yutani could have used said ship to experiment with the Pathogen, using the planets destroyed by the border bombers as test subjects. To see what a pathogen outbreak would look like if on a planetary and uncontrolled scale. You could ask then, "why didnt WY then take any of the territory or resources of said planets?" That's because that was never their goal. They wanted subjects, testing, not land. Not to mention while WY is powerful, its not like they could fight TWO middle heaven factions at the same time, so they purposely picked planets that were under heavy conflict as a way to possibly redirect blame towards one of said fighting factions. Not to mention, it is confirmed in the game that WY had been capable of at least some control of the Engineer ship, given the research equipment within and how they were able to program an auto-pilot course to Earth. Had it not been for the player, that ship would have at the very least launched if not reached the research station. Tl;dr Weyland Yutani may be responsible if the timeline matches up. Using Pala Station to experiment the pathogen in small, controlled environments. Then using the conflicting planets as pathogen experiments in an uncontrolled, large environment. They also dont take any territory because they want nobody to suspect WY to have that kind of power. said ship had been docked in, had been intended to be sent on autopilot to a research station orbiting Earth.
Yeah, I thought Aiens: Fire Team made it clear who was responsible for the bombings and why. That also tracks with Aliens: Colony Wars. And I'm pretty sure the Alien: Colonial Marines source book lays it all out who in WY did it and why (all out war between the UA and UPP).
Not to mention not only taking said territory but trying to secure it. And using it later? Forget it! I mean, the material wealth of an entire planet... now under something that is to be forever quarantined, sounds beyond wasteful, even if the data gathered was considered valuable.
I think WY were unaware of how deadly and uncontrollable the pathogen is. Thats why they programmed it to gateway station. They are greedy but genocide of humanity isnt their goal. I have a strange feeling david is behind the border bombings.
@@larnievc7495 oh really? I thought wy was researching . I dont see why they would send it to gateway as that would be a dead giveaway it was WY doing the bombings and that would defeat the point. I feel like its someone like david. He has no love for humanity. Wy are greedy but dont want to genocide humanity which would be a possible outcome of sending the ship to gateway
A thought came to mind. As the RPG is known for using old Alien material and reworking it for the new canon, what if Loki-Aliens: Original sin-are brought back as the ones responsible for the border bombers. The RPG has already referenced the name Mala'kak, which was the 'true name' of the Space Jockey's as revealed in Original Sin. Loki are from this same book and were a human faction aligned with the Mala'kak. Now that book is ultimately non-canonical however with the mentioned reference to the Mala'kak in the RPG and it's inclusion of old lore-Such as the vehicles taken from the old Kenner toy line and the mox/berserker units, from various books and comics-it could be that Loki have also been bought back, and are now aligned with the Engineers. This would explain where they have been sourcing their ships from as they have been gifted them from the engineers. In exchange, Loki disrupt the attempts of humans to weaponise Xenomorph XX121. Meanwhile the Engineers can do what ever it is they are doing.
We all know the Border Bombers are the Engineers because they make use of the accelerant goo. Hey, how's that Alien Awakening animation going, btw? I need my evil space jockey fix so badly. Lol.
Love the Destroyer of Worlds scenario. Last week when attending the Spiel 2022 in Essen (boardgames convention) I stumbled on the Free League stand and I was pleasantly surprised they had the new Heart of Darkness Campaign box set. I didn't know it was already released. As with the Destroyer of World set it comes with schematics and card deck which gives the scenario that extra oumph. I'm still reading through it, but it's really awesome so far. Any plans on doing a video on this as well?
@@ProjectACHERON its definitely confusing, but it would make for an interesting plot line if the engenders and the Yautjua were at war, and the xenomorphs were a weapon that came from an unexpected mutation the black goo had on another lifeform. That might explain the engineers hatred of humans as their perfect weapon makes a neomorph and eventually xenomorphs, the Yautjua might find this trait that makes humans mutate the goo something of interest that evolved into a ritual hunt. I'm sort of glad though the universes are now separated, it was getting strange with the AVP story line. Great vid btw thanks for putting it out there.
If you want to find out what happened then create a reasonably powerful telescope and navigate to a point in interstellar space that the light from the date of the attack hasn’t quite reached, then deploy the scope, focus on the attack target and watch it develop.
@Deviazione Standard I'm sure it will. He probably took a year and half break from it. It's not easy coming up with good Space Jockey/Precursor and Engineer lore to make sense of a bungled entry by the original director of Alien. I'm grateful that he even introduced a lovecraftian element to it.
I started reading Alien: Inferno’s Fall some time ago and currently on hiatus because the story felt somewhat slow compared to Alien: Colony War which is more fast paced
This is a fanfic for what happens after Alien Covenant I wrote. David has so many test subjects that he begins making unique Zeno morphs breeds with the black substance that specialize at designated tasks based on the parental linage. Much like dog breeding. He breeds three intelligent xenonorph human hybrids. They’re much thinner and shorter than their cousins and their heads are smaller and more human like. Shaped more like an almond. They are translucent black with soft unarmored skin and human clothes covering their bodies. They have human like intelligence, manners, a diet not consisting of human flesh, indefinite life span, cyborg enhancement, and age at an accelerated rate. David has raised these three as his sons to take over in his stead should he cease operating. With many of the hollowed corpses of the chestburster larvae, David has turn into lethal cyborg employees of David’s new company. The New Weyland Corporation. A gross parody of his Father’s work the Weyland Yutani foundation. He has named these children, Peter, after his father, who would take over after him. Paul, who would spread his message, and Sol, who would light the way. There was a fourth but David raises him separate from the others. They are unaware of his existence. Why a corporation? Corporation is merely a subversive word for God. A collection of entities more powerful than anyone person? That is a god in the minds of the people. The regular xenomorph was always ment to be a worker drone for the hive and the queen their manufacture. David would serve as their king and negotiator. Their true leader. He would instill in each one at a young age his face and image. Imprinting on them their eternal loyalty to his cause. The xenomorph understood his will through a complex telepathic connection that’s more feeling and emotion energy flow than science. David wants to challenge the Engineers for supremacy of the galaxy. Using his superior processing power and creative brain, he engineers many intricate nightmares to release on engineer planets. In retaliation engineers begin a human extermination campaign to correct their mistake of seeding worlds. They’re a very mythological people. Believing in various spirits and gods and in a certain way of life. David aims to become God Emperor of the Universe.
Heck yea brother, great video. Glad to see ya returning to a longer video format and on a subject I freaking love, The Border Bombers. I believe I earlier told ya about a twist I included with my Alien RPG game group: The oil supplies on Fort Nebraska(Destroyer of Worlds module) were tainted with a man-made biological micro-organism turning the oil into a non-reactive type of organic silt. I devise a devious creature by stating that the Black Goo accelerant would combine with the oil eating micro-organism to form a kind of mass that had characteristics of the Blob, The Thing, and the Black Goo. It would search and hunt lifeforms to infect to increase it's mass and would spawn weird mutated creatures from the combined DNA samples it consumed/infected that were autonomous themselves. It was fun as hell and my players loved it, they actually played that scenario multiple times as different characters to re-live it from different perspectives. The Heart of Darkness module would be awesome for a video but they keep delaying it's physical release from since March to now late October. I'm looking forward to all content and will continue to support the channel.
That oil eater mutation creature actually sounds really cool!!! I might use that idea for one of my sessions. Great work! And I play to have videos covering heart of darkness soon just working through my already established atm haha😂
@@ProjectACHERON Let you imagination run wild with that creature(s). I gave to spawned creatures characteristics of cats, dogs, spiders, rodents, roaches, every kind of lifeforms associated with humans(pets) and human activity(pests/vermin) I could think of including. No two creatures were alike or even the same mass/size, I just randomized it all with xenomorph qualities included.
I like how we’re finally in the timeline where Weyland is experimenting with the xenomorphs
LMAO when they used a pic of HR Giger when talking about the leader of the Border Bombers hahaha!!! 😂😂😂
The major problem with the race known as the "Engineers," is that we don't know the slightest thing about "Them." Oh yes, we can point at artifacts and say "That was made by the Engineers," but what about their culture? What songs do they sing, what stories do they tell? Until we know this basic information, we will not be able to take any meaningful action. We may not even be completely certain that the engineers are in fact the "Border Bombers."
It might even be david…
Honestly that is something that should not be answered similar to how some books or audio dramas try to explain the Xenomorph's train of thought. Some things aren't meant to be known.
What we do know is that Engineers apparently can see sound and they use sound to control some of their tech like the flute. Go find samples of radio frequency created by planets and other celestial bodies (I personally think some of them sound like something of a horror) and imagine what this engineers see.
Thats the whole point. The mystery is what makes horror work like it does. The fear of the unknown!
Love the audiobook of this can't wait for the next one
Same here!
The Author is actually a close friend of mine, Clara Carija
Which book is this from?
@@CordellPotts Alien: Inferno's Fall
The attacks seem too small and infrequent to be an Engineer campaign of genocide. Surely they’re such an advanced race that they could easily wipe out all human worlds within mere decades?
I think there’s a more likely candidate. Someone who knows how to operate Engineer ships and the pathogen, but doesn’t have the power or numbers for a full campaign of genocide. Someone who could very well be angered by someone else doing their own meddling in Xenomorph DNA. Someone who we know for a *fact* has carried out an identical attack before.
‘Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.’
Yeah it could be engineers but I don’t think that’s likely
Im unsure if the colony war and aliens fireteam elite are close to each other on the timeline, but I do know that Weyland Yutani (briefly, although exactly for how long im unsure) did posses an Engineer ship filled with Pathogen containers that, according to the last protocols of the AI maintaining the facility the ship had been docked in, had been intended to be sent on autopilot to a research station orbiting Earth.
Now, given the *ample* supply of Pathogen not only on the ship, but on the planet it was located on (Not to mention Pala station's actual purpose being to study the effects of said pathogen in a controlled environment), you could say that perhaps Weyland Yutani could have used said ship to experiment with the Pathogen, using the planets destroyed by the border bombers as test subjects. To see what a pathogen outbreak would look like if on a planetary and uncontrolled scale.
You could ask then, "why didnt WY then take any of the territory or resources of said planets?" That's because that was never their goal. They wanted subjects, testing, not land. Not to mention while WY is powerful, its not like they could fight TWO middle heaven factions at the same time, so they purposely picked planets that were under heavy conflict as a way to possibly redirect blame towards one of said fighting factions.
Not to mention, it is confirmed in the game that WY had been capable of at least some control of the Engineer ship, given the research equipment within and how they were able to program an auto-pilot course to Earth. Had it not been for the player, that ship would have at the very least launched if not reached the research station.
Tl;dr Weyland Yutani may be responsible if the timeline matches up. Using Pala Station to experiment the pathogen in small, controlled environments. Then using the conflicting planets as pathogen experiments in an uncontrolled, large environment. They also dont take any territory because they want nobody to suspect WY to have that kind of power. said ship had been docked in, had been intended to be sent on autopilot to a research station orbiting Earth.
Yeah, I thought Aiens: Fire Team made it clear who was responsible for the bombings and why. That also tracks with Aliens: Colony Wars. And I'm pretty sure the Alien: Colonial Marines source book lays it all out who in WY did it and why (all out war between the UA and UPP).
Not to mention not only taking said territory but trying to secure it. And using it later? Forget it! I mean, the material wealth of an entire planet... now under something that is to be forever quarantined, sounds beyond wasteful, even if the data gathered was considered valuable.
I think WY were unaware of how deadly and uncontrollable the pathogen is. Thats why they programmed it to gateway station. They are greedy but genocide of humanity isnt their goal. I have a strange feeling david is behind the border bombings.
@@larnievc7495 oh really? I thought wy was researching . I dont see why they would send it to gateway as that would be a dead giveaway it was WY doing the bombings and that would defeat the point. I feel like its someone like david. He has no love for humanity. Wy are greedy but dont want to genocide humanity which would be a possible outcome of sending the ship to gateway
@@jamespaul6315 I think I may have been confusing the Frontier War with the Border bombings.
A thought came to mind. As the RPG is known for using old Alien material and reworking it for the new canon, what if Loki-Aliens: Original sin-are brought back as the ones responsible for the border bombers.
The RPG has already referenced the name Mala'kak, which was the 'true name' of the Space Jockey's as revealed in Original Sin. Loki are from this same book and were a human faction aligned with the Mala'kak. Now that book is ultimately non-canonical however with the mentioned reference to the Mala'kak in the RPG and it's inclusion of old lore-Such as the vehicles taken from the old Kenner toy line and the mox/berserker units, from various books and comics-it could be that Loki have also been bought back, and are now aligned with the Engineers.
This would explain where they have been sourcing their ships from as they have been gifted them from the engineers. In exchange, Loki disrupt the attempts of humans to weaponise Xenomorph XX121. Meanwhile the Engineers can do what ever it is they are doing.
We all know the Border Bombers are the Engineers because they make use of the accelerant goo. Hey, how's that Alien Awakening animation going, btw? I need my evil space jockey fix so badly. Lol.
it might have been species 8472. powerful. unstoppable.
Love the Destroyer of Worlds scenario. Last week when attending the Spiel 2022 in Essen (boardgames convention) I stumbled on the Free League stand and I was pleasantly surprised they had the new Heart of Darkness Campaign box set. I didn't know it was already released. As with the Destroyer of World set it comes with schematics and card deck which gives the scenario that extra oumph.
I'm still reading through it, but it's really awesome so far.
Any plans on doing a video on this as well?
you mentioned the silent war? I'm curious what's it about?
Could it have been the Rage from the rage war series? I'm not sure on timelines, but it is their way of thinking and would help their endgame
Interesting, though the engineer timeline does conflict with the Yautjua hypothesis of the dragon.
I wonder how the two will work together.
The issue is that alien, predator and AVP are all three seperate universes and timelines
@@ProjectACHERON its definitely confusing, but it would make for an interesting plot line if the engenders and the Yautjua were at war, and the xenomorphs were a weapon that came from an unexpected mutation the black goo had on another lifeform.
That might explain the engineers hatred of humans as their perfect weapon makes a neomorph and eventually xenomorphs, the Yautjua might find this trait that makes humans mutate the goo something of interest that evolved into a ritual hunt.
I'm sort of glad though the universes are now separated, it was getting strange with the AVP story line.
Great vid btw thanks for putting it out there.
If you want to find out what happened then create a reasonably powerful telescope and navigate to a point in interstellar space that the light from the date of the attack hasn’t quite reached, then deploy the scope, focus on the attack target and watch it develop.
Makes sense the bombers aren't Human at least
Yeah
Quite interesting
I know it perplexed me!
Will Awakening animated series continue?
@Deviazione Standard
I'm sure it will. He probably took a year and half break from it. It's not easy coming up with good Space Jockey/Precursor and Engineer lore to make sense of a bungled entry by the original director of Alien.
I'm grateful that he even introduced a lovecraftian element to it.
What if the space jockey race, those who created the engineers, those whom the engineers based their armor on
Anyone else think it could be David doing this?
It’s very possible
Its david. The robot girl basically says as much in the end
I started reading Alien: Inferno’s Fall some time ago and currently on hiatus because the story felt somewhat slow compared to Alien: Colony War which is more fast paced
I think your missing out the slow burn at the begin let’s you sit comfortable before being barraged by death and chaos
This is a fanfic for what happens after Alien Covenant I wrote.
David has so many test subjects that he begins making unique Zeno morphs breeds with the black substance that specialize at designated tasks based on the parental linage. Much like dog breeding. He breeds three intelligent xenonorph human hybrids. They’re much thinner and shorter than their cousins and their heads are smaller and more human like. Shaped more like an almond. They are translucent black with soft unarmored skin and human clothes covering their bodies. They have human like intelligence, manners, a diet not consisting of human flesh, indefinite life span, cyborg enhancement, and age at an accelerated rate. David has raised these three as his sons to take over in his stead should he cease operating.
With many of the hollowed corpses of the chestburster larvae, David has turn into lethal cyborg employees of David’s new company. The New Weyland Corporation. A gross parody of his Father’s work the Weyland Yutani foundation.
He has named these children, Peter, after his father, who would take over after him. Paul, who would spread his message, and Sol, who would light the way.
There was a fourth but David raises him separate from the others. They are unaware of his existence.
Why a corporation? Corporation is merely a subversive word for God. A collection of entities more powerful than anyone person? That is a god in the minds of the people.
The regular xenomorph was always ment to be a worker drone for the hive and the queen their manufacture. David would serve as their king and negotiator. Their true leader. He would instill in each one at a young age his face and image. Imprinting on them their eternal loyalty to his cause. The xenomorph understood his will through a complex telepathic connection that’s more feeling and emotion energy flow than science.
David wants to challenge the Engineers for supremacy of the galaxy. Using his superior processing power and creative brain, he engineers many intricate nightmares to release on engineer planets. In retaliation engineers begin a human extermination campaign to correct their mistake of seeding worlds. They’re a very mythological people. Believing in various spirits and gods and in a certain way of life. David aims to become God Emperor of the Universe.
It's the predators.
Haha what a twist
The are known to "seed" their so called "hunting grounds" for eons. Who else could it be? David?
Predators aren't in this timeline.
Heck yea brother, great video. Glad to see ya returning to a longer video format and on a subject I freaking love, The Border Bombers. I believe I earlier told ya about a twist I included with my Alien RPG game group: The oil supplies on Fort Nebraska(Destroyer of Worlds module) were tainted with a man-made biological micro-organism turning the oil into a non-reactive type of organic silt. I devise a devious creature by stating that the Black Goo accelerant would combine with the oil eating micro-organism to form a kind of mass that had characteristics of the Blob, The Thing, and the Black Goo. It would search and hunt lifeforms to infect to increase it's mass and would spawn weird mutated creatures from the combined DNA samples it consumed/infected that were autonomous themselves. It was fun as hell and my players loved it, they actually played that scenario multiple times as different characters to re-live it from different perspectives. The Heart of Darkness module would be awesome for a video but they keep delaying it's physical release from since March to now late October. I'm looking forward to all content and will continue to support the channel.
That oil eater mutation creature actually sounds really cool!!! I might use that idea for one of my sessions. Great work! And I play to have videos covering heart of darkness soon just working through my already established atm haha😂
@@ProjectACHERON Let you imagination run wild with that creature(s). I gave to spawned creatures characteristics of cats, dogs, spiders, rodents, roaches, every kind of lifeforms associated with humans(pets) and human activity(pests/vermin) I could think of including. No two creatures were alike or even the same mass/size, I just randomized it all with xenomorph qualities included.
12:56 uh I think u forgot to delete that
wow, this border bombers ripps off the TYRANIDS, no originality
I am triggered. Seriously though, the original genestealers were totally rip offs of xenomorphs.