Modular Synth Basics #05: Attenuators, Polarizers & Offsets

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  • @doctorauxiliary
    @doctorauxiliary 2 роки тому +4

    just making sure you know that, seven years later, this vid is still really helpful. thanks kindly.

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  2 роки тому

      Thank you! That's great to hear :)

    • @jodo985
      @jodo985 9 місяців тому

      Update: 9 years later and still super helpful. Really digging this entire series.

  • @nathaniel_eras
    @nathaniel_eras 5 років тому +4

    Thank you. You've formatted this series in a way that clearly explains the "magic" of modular synthesis

  • @siliconbrush
    @siliconbrush 10 років тому +12

    best ever series on the subject of modular, thanks

  • @musician4776
    @musician4776 7 років тому +1

    These videos are great. I'm an experimental musician working mainly with acoustic instruments but have always been intrigued. You've made the baffling world of synths really easy to understand. Thank you so much!!

  • @twistedkalakalajipsychedel3466
    @twistedkalakalajipsychedel3466 4 роки тому +2

    I'm wondering how can be in their minds the 4 poeples who don't like this clear and free explainations.
    Thank you!
    You have a lot of interesting videos!

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  4 роки тому +1

      Thank you! There are always people who don’t like stuff, but I’m really happy that the majority find the videos useful 😊

    • @twistedkalakalajipsychedel3466
      @twistedkalakalajipsychedel3466 4 роки тому

      ​@@tuesdaynightmachines Yes you're right! And I should have focus on, and mentioned this point! Thank you for the remind!

  • @juanpeirotti
    @juanpeirotti 10 років тому +1

    Finally a really good series of videos about modular synthesis. Thank you and keep up the good work!

  • @sysexstudio
    @sysexstudio 10 років тому

    Thanks a lot for doing this instructional series. I've done much studying of modular synthesis over the year, but you are helping me learn a lot more. This video answered several questions I had about certain modules/functions.

  • @Lofuckyou
    @Lofuckyou 10 років тому

    All of these are very helpful. I am in the process of building my first couple modules and a case. For now I pull up the Modular app on my ipad and test out what you are describing. Your videos are fantastic, please don't stop making them.

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  10 років тому

      That's great! The Modular iPad App is a good way to practice for the real thing :) I also recorded a little jam session with it some time ago: iPad Ambient Drone Music (Modular iOS App)

  • @stuartbennett4301
    @stuartbennett4301 2 роки тому

    Aaaah! A clear, concise and factual explanation. I have found my channel.

  • @archebeats
    @archebeats 10 років тому

    I was too scared of buying a Modular, but you are helping me a lot, now I'm building mine on modular grid, I got pretty much in love with intelijell metropolis and the mutable instruments modules.

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  10 років тому

      That's great :) I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun with those modules!

  • @bigsby19
    @bigsby19 3 роки тому +1

    Invaluable information. Thank you. Just subbed.

  • @kentinjivek
    @kentinjivek 2 роки тому

    So brilliant explanations thanks

  • @spacewaves94
    @spacewaves94 7 років тому +1

    Highly informative. Thank you.

  • @fabrizionepote9688
    @fabrizionepote9688 8 років тому +1

    Fantastic video thank you

  • @feytus
    @feytus 10 років тому

    These videos are brilliant, man, thanks a lot!

  • @neugestalt
    @neugestalt 9 років тому +5

    Very helpful, thank you. Actually, this whole series is great!

  • @PnPModular
    @PnPModular 5 років тому +1

    Awesome video

  • @axoid
    @axoid 9 місяців тому

    Thanks. Very helpful.

  • @Pixx08
    @Pixx08 6 років тому

    these are very helpful.

  • @jozard
    @jozard 4 роки тому +1

    very good

  • @marcuspearson6214
    @marcuspearson6214 5 років тому +1

    Brilliant.

  • @alternatingbitmusic
    @alternatingbitmusic 9 років тому +2

    Very clear and helpful. Sometimes I need things spelled out to me, since I buy modules and read 'instructions' later. Thanks.

  • @ChimeraGilbert
    @ChimeraGilbert 10 років тому +1

    So where did you start learning about synths and modulars? Was it college? This stuff is really fascinating.

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  10 років тому +2

      It's fascinating indeed! I started in 2010 and just learned by reading articles and forums on the internet, watching tons of videos and reading synth manuals thoroughly. And of course I kept programming sounds from scratch to learn how synths "work". Once you get how VCOs, VCAs, ADSRs, etc can be combined (in a modular or non-modular) it's not that difficult anymore.

  • @vendomeuhl8011
    @vendomeuhl8011 6 років тому +1

    Your videos are really cool, thank you for sharing this. I have a question... Is it possible to modulate a +/-5V with a signal of 0/+10V? For exemple I want to modulate the MIX +/-5V of ADM14 Boomtschak with an voltage block (0/5V) and an amplifier *2? The amplitude of both CV signal are 10V, but I need an offset?

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  6 років тому

      I don't exactly understand what you mean, but using a *2 amp and a -5V offset will make a 0 to +5V signal become -5 to +5V.

  • @user-fw9nb6pk9m
    @user-fw9nb6pk9m 8 років тому +1

    Thanks so much this helps a lot !!!
    I have something to ask you though... I'm starting using my very first modular synth (a Moog model 15 iOS version which is actually a virtual synth) because I love the sound of modular synths, the experimental side you can create with it and the infinite amount of possibilities, but it is really hard for me to be able to shape a sound as I want... My question is: do you think I'd better use a real modular synth to begin or do you know other helpful virtual synths ?

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  8 років тому +1

      I think the Moog iOS modular looks awesome. There is also an App simply called "Modular", which I like too. The workflow really is the same as on a real hardware modular synth. Sound and haptics/feeling are of course different with real knobs and cables, but hardware is also a lot more expensive.

  • @cxiv
    @cxiv 10 років тому

    Good stuff

  • @anthonyagoni5517
    @anthonyagoni5517 Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @krakou2
    @krakou2 9 років тому +6

    it's great but i wish you'd give musical exemples on when/why using polarizers, offsets etc

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  8 років тому +5

      Hmm, okay. But usually this kind of stuff explains itself when you wiggle around. Offset won't do anything to audio, and Amps make it louder and Attenuators more quiet.

    • @almohadillaseisefes
      @almohadillaseisefes 6 років тому +2

      @@tuesdaynightmachines IMHO it's perfect like that, without annoying background music. Thanks for sharing!

    • @jeppepuus
      @jeppepuus 5 років тому +1

      @@tuesdaynightmachines Mby a little late, but i don't have anything to wiggle around on. im watching this video to learn how to use it, so i don't buy one and don't know how to.

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  5 років тому

      That’s cool :) You can also practice with VCV Rack or other virtual modular synths nowadays.

    • @jeppepuus
      @jeppepuus 5 років тому

      @@tuesdaynightmachines Thanks, didnt know about that. Just installed it, but is there a way this can replace buying one?

  • @Jkock420
    @Jkock420 8 років тому +1

    Can you give me an example for an Cheap beginner modular rack?

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  8 років тому

      There are a ton and it really depends on what you want to do with the synth. Check out the muffwiggler.com forums! :)

  • @nycpny8396
    @nycpny8396 10 років тому

    This is where my head starts to hurt, even though you explain it well, it's just confusing to me.

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  10 років тому

      Don't worry :) just experiment and have fun for now and slowly read up on new stuff once you feel comfortable. Modulars are so deep that you won't learn everything in one day (or a lifetime) anyway.

  • @BlinkyBillz
    @BlinkyBillz 7 років тому +1

    So if i solder the pads on the ABC Bastl module I can use it both as a CV mixer and as an Audio mixer. Or will audio mixing become difficult then?

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  7 років тому

      +Rienk Speelman it shouldn't mess with audio mixing, however with DC coupled signals, you might mix yourself a voltage offset in your audio output which you usually want to avoid due to possible distortion.

    • @BlinkyBillz
      @BlinkyBillz 7 років тому

      but thats only when you mix it with cv right?

  • @fourfourfoureightyfour23
    @fourfourfoureightyfour23 2 роки тому

    Thank Youuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!

  • @t0sh400
    @t0sh400 6 років тому +1

    Regarding Offset Generators: If i have 9V signal and then add +5V to that, wouldn't the output overload the target module? Are Offset Generators therefore considered "dangerous" in a modular synth? There are many reasons i don't really know how much voltage comes in. Maybe i remove an attenuator i had patch earlier and suddenly the voltage jumps to unhealthy level .. something like that. Would it be possible to harm a system this way?

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  6 років тому

      Hi :) Offset generators are like mixers, mixing the input signal voltage with another constant voltage (the offset). And just like mixers, they will clip at a certain level, usually around +/-10V. This can distort the input signal, which might not be desirable for your patch, but which is generally safe. I demonstrate this in the following video: ua-cam.com/video/FCr5xn4cHfo/v-deo.html

  • @jadeblades
    @jadeblades 6 років тому +3

    Why do we need to use polarizers?

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  6 років тому

      To invert and scale signals. Take an ADSR for example. It's usually only positive, "adding" its effect to something like a VCA or filter. If you use a polarizer to invert it, you could actually subtract it, closing a filter or VCA instead of opening it.

    • @jadeblades
      @jadeblades 6 років тому

      Okay! Thx

  • @_jurk
    @_jurk 3 роки тому

    A lot of popular modules already have attenuverters. Conceptually I get what attenuate/offset does but it's effect eludes me. Say I trying to modulate something like timbre on something like MI Elements, would sending a LFO straight into it's cv input have a different effect vs. sending the same LFO but with a different offset?

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  3 роки тому +1

      A lot of modules have attenuATORS in front of their inputs, yes. In your LFO example, offset will shift the midpoint of the modulation effect. Let’s take a filter instead of the MI module though. If you offset the LFO modulation positively, the filter might never fully close. Watch the video again and look at the graphs (maybe pause it too). And then of course try it out yourself.

    • @_jurk
      @_jurk 3 роки тому

      ​@@tuesdaynightmachines Thanks for you reply. So no attenuverters but attenuators?!?! But sometimes there is + on the right and - on the left of the cv input: Would that make it a attenuverter?

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  3 роки тому

      @@_jurk ah sorry, maybe I'm out of the loop :D In that case they are actually attenuverters. In my memory modules used to have mostly just attenuators, but I guess times are changing, which is nice.

  • @wolfboyft
    @wolfboyft 4 роки тому +1

    The attenuator+amplifier+polariser+attenuverter thing...
    Shouldn't they all just be part of a single module: a multiplier?
    abs(voltage)1 is amplification
    voltage < 0 inversion
    What am I missing? (except putting the 1 at maybe 3V or somewhere else depending)

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  4 роки тому

      You’re missing offset, which would be addition/subtraction ;-) What you describe is exactly what a polarizing amplifier does though. The question here is how much maximum amplification do you want? 2x, 3x ... 10x? The wider the value range, the less precise the control with just one potentiometer will be. The more components and features (amplification, inversion, etc.) the more complex and expensive the module might be. Also, a problem with attenuverters is often that the zero point is in the middle of the range and difficult to dial in quickly/precisely. So sometimes you just want an attenuator to turn down a signal. Sometimes you just need a precise -1x inverter. Analog amplification might also introduce noise or other artifacts. So having those features spread across several modules which can be combined to one’s individual needs is what the modular experience is all about, but you will also find all-in-one modules too. Another thing to take into account is module size. You might fit two attenuators into the same module space as just one attenuverter+offset. Rack space is always limited, so it’s good to have modular module choices :)

  • @rguzman92
    @rguzman92 9 років тому

    thinking about buying a buchla module. those can be combined with other manufacturer modules correct?

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  9 років тому

      No, Buchla is not Eurorack, so they won't fit in the same case. Although there are Buchla-inspired Eurorack modules from Verbos and Sputnik for example.

    • @rguzman92
      @rguzman92 9 років тому

      What format can Buchla be used on?

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  9 років тому

      +Rodrigo Guzman Only on Buchla as far as I know (Buchla is a "format" itself).

    • @rguzman92
      @rguzman92 9 років тому

      ahh okay.. makes much more sense now.. thank you :)

  • @user-ri1xx6nu8c
    @user-ri1xx6nu8c 9 років тому +2

    your video is helpfully to me but i don't understand your pronunciation "as though s~~~ the scent of the waveform..." at the part explain AC coupling. please let me know the word start "s" or whatever ;)

    • @tuesdaynightmachines
      @tuesdaynightmachines  9 років тому +2

      +최하경 2:34 "Attenuation and inversion will still work though, as those leave the center of the waveform where it is ..."
      Gotta work on my pronunciation :D Now that you mentioned it, I can't unhear myself saying "the scent of the waveform" ... it's always a good scent though. Haha :-P

    • @user-ri1xx6nu8c
      @user-ri1xx6nu8c 9 років тому +2

      +The Tuesday Night Machines haha.. my listening is very suck ;) thank you for replying!

  • @studio48nl
    @studio48nl Рік тому

    VCA -> Voltage Controlled Attenuator...

  • @zeibeats
    @zeibeats 4 місяці тому

    bro u teaching us math or synths ? wtf ?

  • @nycpny8396
    @nycpny8396 10 років тому +1

    This is where my head starts to hurt, even though you explain it well, it's just confusing to me.