My neighbour's cameras both sides cover my driveway and front door. I am happy with it.Both neighbour's have said if anything happens or I need proof of anything,they will give me a copy. It makes me feel safe.
I have a comprehensive array of CCTV Security cameras, one of which can see into a neighbor's garden, but I've used the masking facility within the software to blank that area around and turn off the sound completely for that camera. Prior to doing this I did ask the neighbour if she wanted a security camera to watch the area of her garden which includes a door. She said no so I masked it off and showed her on the app. My neighbour was happy with this. Furthermore, all of my recordings are automatically written over after around 20 days due to hard drive space limitations. This is all quite easy to arrange. Just take the local environment into consideration.
Sounds eminently sensible to me… …although it would be hilarious if they get burgled and ask what you have only to be told you have nothing of any use.
@@fredbloggs5902 I have lots of CCTV and a modern burglar alarm (internet connection disabled so not hackable). Burglars are likely to find my security an inconvenience so my neighbour who has none of the above, is more likely to be burgled. Should that happen I will update but I hope not. I like my neighbour so I hope the burglar sees my camera and thinks "oh crap ... that can see me. I'm off."
@@chrisbarnes3964 nope it stops any viewing or recording of it literally blocked out. On those where the masking is camera based it cannot be retrieved by any means from the DVR
In Ontario Canada you can install a camera on your property, but you also have to post a sign saying there is a camera present. It helped a friend of mine. A camera at her front door notifying her of motion and showing who is at the door has been very helpful. She had a peace bond against a man who had been harassing her, and the camera helped identify that he broke the terms of the bond to stay away from her home.
I suppose it's different when the Police plead and cry out for Dash Cam, Body Cam, Ding Dash, Ring Dong, Ding Dong Footage and record CCTV on every Corner of the High Street. It's different then. Double Standards or what
Oh my goodness I had never thought of this, but totally understandable and very much common sense if thought through. THANK YOU so much for this piece of advice and the requirements of having home cameras. Thank you again.
Cameras are springing up all over the place a'top lampposts, and traffic lights. There is no indication who is operating them or what protections they offer. The town I live in has cameras covering a large area but no signs warning of the CCTV recording and, because they are dome cameras, no way of telling where they are looking. It's also rumoured that some of the cameras have microphones on. Nothing we can do because it's "for public safety" and the council won't engage on explaining detail of the system.
Much gratitude for posting on this this topic!! I am retired and now have time to indulge & educate myself in my first love…. THE LAW! I live in Nova Scotia, Canada & there is precious little (sadly) on You Tube relating to Canadian Law. I follow follow Scott Reisch, Crime Talk and have learned a lot and am both appreciative & grateful for the time he is willing to share to assist lay people in gaining a greater understanding ( especially in high profile cases) of exactly how it works. I now have a fairly solid understanding of the American legal system and am enjoying gaining an understanding the English & Welsh system and as well am appreciative & grateful for your time and the knowledge you share. So..regarding the home camera systems issue …I cannot get a straight answer. We follow the English Civil Common Law system ( well except for Quebec which follows the Napoleonic Code) and it appears to be a gray area. So, again much gratitude for covering this topic. 🙏💙
I have neighbours that have camera looking at my property and with sound. The ICO and the Police didn’t won’t to do anything even though they had assaulted me and recorded me in my own house. I put camera up told the ICO and the Police what I was doing. With my camera I court them calling me names, threatening behaviour with the car. I sent this to the police ICO and council and I had no help. There are so many camera out there the ICO and Police said they will not do anything about it. 😢
From the ICO website. "The use of recording equipment, such as CCTV or smart door bells, to capture video or sound recordings outside the user’s property boundary is not a breach of data protection law. "
We've got a ring door bell and set the advanced motion detection such that it only triggers a recording if a person enters our drive way and approaches the house. While the camera does see the public footpath and the road it doesn't record movement from those areas.
I have very recently installed a Ring Doorbell at the front of my house, on advice from the local Police, because of the job and the muppets who have threatened our safety. So, if one of these said muppets was to bring a “friend” to assist them and they were talking, presumably they would be still able to sue me? Or would it depend upon what they were talking about (e.g if it were a possible crime against me or someone else)?
@@PoppyMom1 I believe it depends how the front of your property is set up. Where are these so called muppets talking, are they standing on a public sidewalk, i.e does your door open directly onto the street, or is there an area of private property in front? At the end of the day I don't think you can be sued unless you share the footage with someone other than the police. Plus why would they sue you just for recording their conversation when they chose to stand in front of your door. All you have to do is delete the footage if they ask.
@@martingibbs1179 No, they would still be on private property, and the boundary is the pavement. The rest of the driveway belongs to us, thankfully. The only people who might have any interest would be the Police or a lawyer. The Ring literally only captures a 12 o’clock position and nothing else. Thank you for your reply, I’m really grateful to you.
Mobile phones in back gardens are a nuisance to if your quietly sitting in your garden reading a book.😂 why do they have to be so loud and announce that someone is calling them ? have you ever had white van man in your street broardcasting his in van phonecall to base on the vans speaker system so everyone can hear the call? whats the point in broardcasting a private conversation?
Oh dear. You didn't think that one through. Do you expect a car thief to be driving their own car! By the way, that reminds me of a funny case I had in court. I was up for no insurance and I was found guilty. When it came to how I was going to pay I told them I did not have any money. The prosecution said well sell your car then. I told them my car had since been stolen, which was true. He retorted, well claim off the insurance then!
My parents recently had some anti social teeanager issues resulting in several threats to harm my parents and a broken window. When my parents discussed CCTV with the Police officers, they said "we really like the video doorbells as it allows us to hear as well as see what happened" (my parents house opens directly into a public road with their garden on the other side of the road).
My Friends neighbour complained that the camera at the front of my friends house was covering the front of his house, my friend not wanting to upset his neighbour moved the camera down so it only covered his front door, 6 months later the neighbour had his motorbike stolen off the drive and he came round to my friends house asking if it had been caught on CCTV to which my friend explained no because you had me move the camera? Ppl get far too paranoid and don't forget your neighbour can in most cases with their own eyes see more than the camera can anyway.
We have a camera pointed at out front path and takes in the road and path opposite. The police actually asked us if we had footage from a certain date to help with a crime.
Had an interesting “doorcam” pickup - I was scrolling through the activity on the history, and saw two gentlemen on the edge of my property. One of these men walked on the my property (activating the recording) and was called back by the other. I was a bit confused, so I bumped the audio. It was two Conservative Councillors and they realised I was not someone they wish to call on (some colourful language used) it was in an election cycle - but no the video was not published GDPR would apply.
I checked on the internet to se if I am allowed to film in a public place and apparently it is not breaking the law and I don't need a permit. So what is the difference with my doorbell filming in a public place.
An individual certification with the ICO only costs £35 per year. For those concerned about their doorbell cameras, this might be worth looking in to. Equally landlords of rental properties should investigate this too, even if they use an agent or other middleman.
You can record anything in a public area but not your neighbours garden. Mt Ring is set to only capture only within my boundary. I have Ring and CCTV stickers on my front door advising of the recording. Thames Valley police regularly request door bell footage but I dont see how thats possible unless the bell records the street all the time.
Ive seen folks i take seriously say Ring is a dubious firm that breaches "Owners"privacy and will hand over video footage to the police etc without a Warrent , some Folks have these cameras indoors too
Yep, I've got a Ring camera at my front door and unfortunately you can't control the lens itself so a part of my neighbours garden was in view. I found the section on the app that allowed me to black out the section of my neighbours garden, and I showed her that it wasn't recording her garden just to give her peace of mind, she said she hadn't even considered it recording her, but really appreciated me being open about it and was happy with the result.
So I can film in public on my mobile outside my home on the street no problem but a ring doorbell is a different kind of filming? Can someone explain please
My neighbour has a cctv camera that records sound so he can hear what the neighbours are talking about so whenever im out in my driveway i put the song" im a wanker" on repeat on my phone and put it on the wall directly under the camera 🤣🤣🤣
I argued with local council about GDPR in my field I own with a public footpath running through it. Their lawyer knew nothing just mouthed off. I have CCTV being used signs I copy and save all pictures and videos of people who come to the gate or climb over the style for police use if my property gets stolen or damaged 😊 I do not put any of it outside of my laptop no social media no where. If someone asks for a copy of themselves happy to oblige. It captures traffic going by as well but only side view. 😊 Council said due to GDPR I couldn't have a camera there 😂
I would have politely (maybe not so) told the Council that as soon as they remove all the cameras they have littering the street scape I may consider removing mine - until then **** Off!
Confused ..... !! YT auditors always say there is no expectation of privacy in public. So if I stand on the public footpath in from of my house next to my parked car and use a video camera or phone, I can make a video with audio of traffic and people going by. If I have a front doorbell camera that can see my car on the road in front of my house and also other cars driving past it and people as they walk past on the footpath. How is that different from my first example?
'Auditors' are present when filming & using hand held equipment in a public place. Fixed cameras are the issue when they cover public, and other peoples private, space.
You can film anything you can see from a public Vantage Point there is only a problem with security cameras when they are pointed at your neighbours back garden where they would normally expect a reasonable amount of privacy
I'm in the U.S. and have been researching doorbell cameras for at least a month. For the most part, I've been looking on Amazon but also recommended sites. So far, I haven't pulled the trigger on any of these as the reviews seem to vary from excellent to trash. I haven't heard/read anything regarding the possible infringement of others' rights by either video or audio. I hope I don't have to worry about this now.
@@elkelewtschuk9894 the freedoms that the U.S. have make it the greatest country in the world ,the people have to resist the tyrants who want to take away peoples rights !
It depends what you mean by data protect laws, thats a very general term. GDPR/DPA 2018 is nothing to do with right to privacy and personal space. GDPR requires you to be registered and follow a load of procedures, and get permission to sell your personal information. Invading some ones privacy as an individual is not a breach of the GDPR, its a breach of right to privacy. GDPR only applies if you are making money from the data, so I'd be interested to try and understand what regulation was referenced in the privacy case. I only really know the GDPR, and not the DPA specifically, but they should be similar. (i worked for CCTV manufacturer doing regulatory approvals and studied the Polish case). The property bounds issue was a prior judgement (in Poland) that applies only to the previous DPR (prior to 2018), it was a incorrect judgement IMO but made null and void in the 2018 version which clarified the mistaken interpretation of "for personal use" by the judge at the time. The ICO took the judgement as read at the time, but it eventually expired and became irrelevant. Right I have a look at the judgement and it is technically wrong IMO regarding the GDPR/DPA. I can't find a link to your video on it, but will look further. The judgement bangs on about the DPA and its requirements for commercial users, NOWHERE (that I can find on a quick read) does it address whether the DPA applies to the defendant. All those clauses are not applicable and entirely irrelevant IMO. The GDPR 2018 is very specific on it NOT applying to non-commercial users. If you don't have to register with the ICO it does not apply to you. Noone seems to have pointed this out. The main case hinged on harassment legislation, but right to privacy could have been referenced, I'm not sure on the UK position on that, its rarely used.
With a Ring doorbell you can narrow the field of view in the settings to it doesn’t show or record specific areas, beyond your fence for example. Also, I showed my neighbour what it’s recording and what it isn’t, as a courtesy. I think if you’re up front with people then they’re less likely to think something sinister is going on.
If my understanding is correct then I cant use a camera type doorbell as it would view the front doors of 3 other properties. I have tried to figure out a way round this but with a communal courtyard garden it's a bit difficult to say the least. The issue I have is that there is an idiot who keeps randomly knocking loudly on my door at 3AM and there is no view of them by the time I get there but the police cannot do anything of course without evidence.
Does the ring door bell also have to conform to broadcasting laws if you show the video coverage to other people to show them what you neighbour or passer by are doing without their permission? As you are now broadcasting their privacy?
What is the situation if I'm not recording sound but my camera records people in a public area outside my property? They are on the public road and not on private property.
I have CCTV in my garden which I've set up in a way so none of my neighbors property is within the field of view of the cameras. Cameras at the front of the property are not covert and can be easily seen, but do record what is going happening on the street outside. Is it OK to record what goes on on in the street, outside your home, as long as you don't allow the media to be viewed by a third party? If there is a police incident, one of the early lines of inquiry is for the police to look for evidence from private CCTV systems. I cannot understand how this is acceptable if it was gathered illegally/unlawfully.
If you can see it from your window you can record it but we all need clear constant gidelines for property owners ie how far away from your home you can view with a camera
What about a corner property that sits on a 90 degree bend and so it’s doorbell can record all the comings and goings of the neighbours and road that is perpendicular to it?
So what would happen if you stood outside someone's house and videod them, what is the difference? Or the security cameras everywhere you go? Are you not able to video in a public place?
Yes you can - from a handheld device - but you could not set up a camera on a tripod outside someone's house and go to Maccas for a coffee while you recorded them!
I believe that if your camera is being used to protect your personal property, home, land, and automobile. Then you should be protected. However, recording video which is beyond your property is probably illegal. The question is capturing video at your fence line which is harder to determine your private property vs. public property.
So if there are laws stopping you from recording the public road how do councils and the police get away with having cameras capturing traffic and movement in the streets?
Is this confusing, if police ask for cctv of an event that may have taken place outside your curtlage, but you have captured information. Where do you stand
So the law states that I can film or take pictures in or of a public place. And Road and pavements are classed as public, so if I stood in my garden and filmed the road, I’m not breaking any laws or GDPR. So what’s the difference between me holding a camera and the camera being fixed to a wall.
Would like to understand how this doesn’t apply to drone users who operate over private land (legally). I’ve seen videos on UA-cam where the drone user states they are not subject to GDPR as they are not an organisation. However if they are putting the footage on a monetised channel, surely they are acting as some sort of business. Any chance of a legal view on that?
My neighbour has installed 3 cameras all looking over my property and into my daughter's bathroom window. Neighbour is on city council and despite sending pics of cameras staring directly at us it was only after 6 months they came to view but Police don't want to know. My daughter is having sleepless nights worrying. What can I do?
I was told to take down a security camera in my hall because when you open your front door you can see the person at your door. This is in breach of that person privacy. [THIS IS NOT THE UK] So all doorbell with vid cam not allowed even though it is for sale in local shops does not make it legal. It is also not allowed to use dummy cameras.
I’ve had 2 vehicles damaged. One of them, twice. I’ve had various tyres deflated on other vehicles. I’ve had washing taken from my clothesline. Dog poo and cigarette ends left on my drive/pavement. Since the cameras were put up, nothing has happened. Should I remove my cameras? What would you do? Be honest.
I live in a block of flats and have a communal garden, my neighbour has 2 dogs, lets them run around the garden, deficate and then walks out (leaving the poop); I had cameras to capture this but was told by my landlord that I was in breach of tenancy after the dog owners friend complained, leading me to take down the cameras (which were inside my property). Funnily enough I was asked for the footage by my landlord due to ongoing issues with the neighbour in question, so its ok when they need evidence...cheeky buggers.
I park my car in a space in front of my house but its not part of my land, my last car got maliciously scratched and I don't want that happening again so I thought of getting a cctv and hard drive, the camera hopefully would be a deterrent in itself, but it would capture images from the street around my car and the foot path that runs between the end of my garden and the parking bays. Not of anyone else's garden though. I'm curious if you think that would be OK, my thinking was it's no worse than being filmed in every shop, petrol station and pretty much every public space we go into these days. I figure if you can look out the window and see it, filming it shouldn't be a problem surely?
There was a case here where a creepy man had a camera pointed at the neighbor's bathroom windows - and there was video footage of little girls who lived there on his computer. (which was how they discovered the cameras) It was just one thing that allowed authorities to send him to prison for years.
@@johnmuller5342 Wow, way to blame the victim. So if I come round to your private home, sneak up and film you undressing through your window it's your own fault because you forgot to draw the curtains or close the blind? Are you serious?
It's all getting a bit confusing because if you have cctv or a doorbell viewer it will probably capture scenes past your immediate boundary at the front of the property. In fact, the police ask for this footage should a nearby crime have been committed, and what about the hundreds, possibly thousands, of people going about their daily business and being recorded, unknowingly, on dash cams?
If you are on any neighbourhood police email list you will often get a request for any footage as soon as someone gets done over. They make the rules up as they go along.
Our cameras cover our neighbours front gardens for some distance up and down the road. I'll gladly give footage to them if they need it, have done several times and footage from our CCTV was used to prosecute and prevent hate crimes and anti sociable things. The police have asked us not to move our cameras from where they're pointing. I also phoned the gdpr helpline to make sure I had correct signage if any was needed
So, is this a specific law relevant only to CCTV and doorbells? The reason I ask is as a photographer, we have the well known right to photo or video anything we can see from a public place. I assume this also extends to a private place if the photographer/videographer owns said place. Whilst I would also agree that it is morally wrong to film your neighbor sunbathing ect, the ring doorbell is likely to be at the front of the house near public access. Also, with regards to audio - I would argue that whilst audio capture may not be a priority - it could be useful at times and more importantly is likely a feature of the device that just happens to be there (as opposed to specifically wiring up microphones) So, if my cctv can hear a neighbours conversation, then its only what I can also hear. there is no expectation of privacy in public, the same goes for audio, if you don't want the neighbours to hear, then talk inside, not leaning against the neighbours fence! surely? I am not asking this through any wish to do any of those acts - but it seems like this law is somewhat contradicting other laws
Can someone clarify whether this issue only relates to recording devices. I have a network connected camera that looks out of my front window and I can view its output remotely - it does not record any footage. I use the live feed to check on my garden when I'm on holiday - I'm especially keen to see if it's raining, so I know whether to ask my neighbour to water my plants. So, do I need to worry about GDPR? So far as I can see, what I'm doing is just the same as me looking out of my window.
What if you live in a council block of flats and out side the front door is shared area by everyone but it’s with a fenced off area with electric person gate can you still use ring doorbell camera
There is the ability to mask off areas not to be recorded which is fine , but thats down to the honesty of the individual as to whether or not they keep the mask in place. Further, a camera can apear to be pointing away from ones boundry line but if a wide angle lens is used , then it can capture well outside a boundry line.
@dougaldouglas8842 I used to have a security camera many years ago because I was qurious who was out and about during the we hours. That said, I found the camera was making me paranoid and if anything making me feel more insecure. In my own opinion cctv is the modern equivalent of a curtain twitcher. Good neighbours or not everyone has a right to privicy.
Being a Netflix subscriber I don't watch live broadcast so I don't require a uk TV licence, my question is? or so I'm told but no clear a precise information as yet , all be it some say you do and some say you don't regarding ring door bell? Do require a tv licence to install one
My local Next Door group has a post, every now and again. These posts consist of a CCTV image of someone, captured around the premises, but not always on them, allegedly acting suspiciously. Invariably, they ask if anyone knows the person. To me, this is a breach of GDPR, particularly as there is no proof that the person was acting illegally.
Hang on, at 2.25 in you seem to be saying people can’t record their own gardens! Really? How then do we record someone trying to break in through rear patio doors? Secondly, when the police appeal for cctv recordings of a street event are they in effect asking people to volunteer that they have broken data protection laws?
Here is a story I was told last week. Is it correct? I myself have cctv and I have a notice on my property stating that cctv on my premises is recording 24/7. Now the story I was told was that a householder also had cctv recording, and it viewed a walkway that ran down the side of her property, inc the garden. The reason for this was to catch anyone from the walkway climbing over the garden fence into the property. Now, one night the cctv recorded a stabbing on that public footpath. The owner of the property and recording approached CID and informed them that they had this recording, she was asked, are there any signs up on her property to inform anyone that cctv was installed and recording, when she answered no, the CID officer told her, that in that case they could not use the recording, and in fact could not even view it. Talk about the law being an ass. Iam sure if it would have been a friend or relative of the investigating CID officer, iam sure they would have viewed it to at least put them on the right evidence track of a perpetrator. Instead, I guess they went to the family of the stabbed person and said, sorry we have no leads. What an ass the law is against victims sometimes. Same with dashcams. If a dangerous driver does something wrong whilst driving and my dash cam records it. You can't just hand it over to the police for them to deal with. You have to find the dangerous driver yourself, and YOU have to prosecute them in court. I was told this fact by an officer who was manning a speed camera police van. The world's gone mad. Police protecting illegal protesters in the m8ddle of the road, and them doing nothing about it, to a stabbing victim not getting justice because of a cctv sign not being displayed, to you having to take persons caught on dashcam to court yourself.
If I have recording cameras on my boat, say one at each end looking down the side that is moored up, taking in some of the towpath too, where do I stand on this?
I couldn't give a flying FIG what other people think of my cameras... They are staying and that's that. the neighbours will soon be round my house if their house or garage gets broken into so why would they object to them.
What if the cameras were set up in a way that lets me see into the neighbour's garden (while still covering all my garden) to prove their kids are the ones breaking the fence between our property? They are also climbing over the fence into my back garden chasing after my cat, I even had one of them trying to open my front door while I was in the shower a few days ago. I want to get evidence before making a complaint to the local council, so it doesn't turn into a their word against mine situation, only now I'm worried I could get in trouble if I did set cameras up.
What do you do if your having pictures taken of you by a your neighbour (they also have cctv around there property) her gate and the path to our right of access (are next to each other on the side of there house) the path to the 3 other property goes down the neighbour fence line and around the back of there property to allow access to them all fenced off 3 I am the 2 house down but I am in the middle of a neighbourly nightmare/dispute today I have seen this person now taking pictures of myself while in my back garden and/or the path way to remove building waste from my property and recently come across this video about simpler things how do I go about it as I am not one for having pictures taken for free got a pay me first lol but honestly how do I go about it this person is in there 60s plus so hard to talk to at time
The problem is that councils don’t state it’s illegal for a camera to oversee a neighbours property, my argument would be if you had to remove a camera and someone had a doorbell camera then logically they also should remove that camera. I believed the law states that as long as a camera is not pointing into a property if it is only partly viewing a garden or part of a garden there is little can be done.
Any security device in your home or outside your home is legal as it would not be sold otherwise and if anyone breaks in then every evidence of this is there to put them away, its their choice to break in it's you choice to stop them at any means and I mean that in a way that they might need some hospital food for a few months
I think people get viewing and recording mixed up? It is not illegal to look at something even through a lens. (Spectacles included.) So if you have a photographic memory you might be wise to register with the powers to be???
Here in Spain, the law is similar for private or company CCTV use with small differences. The moment your camera points out of your grounds, you have to display a public sign with the details of who is recording the data including name and a telephone number for contact purposes. Anyone who considers they have been recorded has the right to contact the owner of the data and ask to review their recordings and that they delete any recordings which includes the person enquiring. On my land here in the country we have motion detection cameras all around the perimeter but pointing inwards so we don´t need the sign, but I know all this because I looked into it. However, a friend of mine had a problem with a neighbour pointing his camera into his back garden here and sorted it out just by going round to his house every day and demanding to review the day´s footage, asking for footage where he appeared to be deleted. I think it took his neighbour about two days to move the camera.
@@highpath4776 it's the DPA. But ICO admit themselves they won't enforce it against domestic CCTV operators. It would likely only come about if 3rd party brought case against you, similar to case referenced in this vid. When your CCTV camera monitors areas beyond your property, even if the primary focus is on your house, then that footage must comply with the laws under the Data Protection Act. This includes footage that contains any areas beyond your property whatsoever. This is often unavoidable, and will occur in the majority of cases. In these situations, the following rules must be abided by: You must put up clear signs that inform others that you have CCTV in operation. You must only use the footage captured for its intended purpose (security in this case). You must only keep the footage for as long as you need it. The footage must be kept safe and not released to third parties.
if you are recording your own property and you catch a public place like the road or path outside your home its ok as you have no right to privacy in a public place , problem arises if you are catching images from next doors property
Im interested to know about notifications on cameras. I have no issues with neighbours (and i also have) having cctv, but when i hear a "ding a ling" sound everytime i open my front door, it makes me angry. Some neighbours get a audible notification and that catches me opening my own door. Surely this is too far? My opinion is that it is one thing having it recorded, and possibly mever seen or viewed, but another to have an audio notification to highlight me going about my daily business, when it is no concern of theirs
@@acesneights1947 I wouldn't say they are set too high, I'd say the location of detection is not fair, and to have the audible ringtone for such detection is a little stalker-ish and creepy.
If someone in Scotland has a camera watching with no garden, just straight on to a public path is that legal? I only ask cos I suffer from mental health and agoraphobia so its making it hard for me. I know law is all different up here. We don't have magistrates just sheriff
As far as I'm concerned, if you are only protecting your home and all information is deleted before or after 30 days. No one needs to worry except those that are doing a crime. I don't publish anything on any other site ever because I refuse to use Facebook, Twitter, and all the rest, all I use is UA-cam and I don't and never have ever uploaded anything on any platform. Don't come into my garden if you are not invited, STAY OUT.
I'm having problems with my neighbour throwing rubbish into my front garden. Our front doors are right next to each other with a dwarf wall divider. He has over 30 people a day calling round to his address on any given day - through out the day and none enter his house. The kinds of things thrown are cigarette butts to empty crisps an sweets. I've spoke with him but he doesn't care. I've thought about a ring camera but it would capture both our paths to our front doors. If I were to block his side with software it wouldn't be capturing evidence of him throwing the rubbish? Combine that with he's clearly dealing drugs out of his house as these people call round for a quick handshake and are gone in 30seconds again I'm worried about repercussions of making a formal complaint with the police or the housing. Being the summer time I have my windows open and can clearly hear what's being said on the road outside our house which reinforces my belief he's dealing. No idea what to do but it's having an effect on my mental health.
My neighbour's cameras both sides cover my driveway and front door. I am happy with it.Both neighbour's have said if anything happens or I need proof of anything,they will give me a copy. It makes me feel safe.
Same here with my neighbour. We both have cctv at the front and sides and look out for each other.
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I had cctv on my house but ripped it out as didn't feel happy of having cctv on the house
I have a comprehensive array of CCTV Security cameras, one of which can see into a neighbor's garden, but I've used the masking facility within the software to blank that area around and turn off the sound completely for that camera. Prior to doing this I did ask the neighbour if she wanted a security camera to watch the area of her garden which includes a door. She said no so I masked it off and showed her on the app. My neighbour was happy with this. Furthermore, all of my recordings are automatically written over after around 20 days due to hard drive space limitations. This is all quite easy to arrange. Just take the local environment into consideration.
Sounds eminently sensible to me…
…although it would be hilarious if they get burgled and ask what you have only to be told you have nothing of any use.
@@fredbloggs5902 I have lots of CCTV and a modern burglar alarm (internet connection disabled so not hackable). Burglars are likely to find my security an inconvenience so my neighbour who has none of the above, is more likely to be burgled. Should that happen I will update but I hope not. I like my neighbour so I hope the burglar sees my camera and thinks "oh crap ... that can see me. I'm off."
Surely masking only stops false notifications of movements in an area, not the actual recording in that area?
@@chrisbarnes3964 nope it stops any viewing or recording of it literally blocked out. On those where the masking is camera based it cannot be retrieved by any means from the DVR
@@chrisbarnes3964 Nope the area of the camera view is black. It is sometimes referred to as privacy settings in camera menus.
In Ontario Canada you can install a camera on your property, but you also have to post a sign saying there is a camera present. It helped a friend of mine. A camera at her front door notifying her of motion and showing who is at the door has been very helpful. She had a peace bond against a man who had been harassing her, and the camera helped identify that he broke the terms of the bond to stay away from her home.
I suppose it's different when the Police plead and cry out for Dash Cam, Body Cam, Ding Dash, Ring Dong, Ding Dong Footage and record CCTV on every Corner of the High Street. It's different then. Double Standards or what
Police investigate crime? 😂😂😂😂 that's a good one.
What's the point of this comment? No one's saying it's illegal to own these cameras, only that you should handle the data appropriately.
@@badoing7390 You are correct it is not illegal to have cameras - BUT what you record and what you do with/about that can be grounds for a nice payout
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Oh my goodness I had never thought of this, but totally understandable and very much common sense if thought through. THANK YOU so much for this piece of advice and the requirements of having home cameras. Thank you again.
BBB, Thank you for the advice. The cameras that worry me the most, the ones that are not so obvious !
Cameras are springing up all over the place a'top lampposts, and traffic lights. There is no indication who is operating them or what protections they offer. The town I live in has cameras covering a large area but no signs warning of the CCTV recording and, because they are dome cameras, no way of telling where they are looking. It's also rumoured that some of the cameras have microphones on. Nothing we can do because it's "for public safety" and the council won't engage on explaining detail of the system.
Much gratitude for posting on this this topic!! I am retired and now have time to indulge & educate myself in my first love….
THE LAW! I live in Nova Scotia, Canada & there is precious little (sadly) on You Tube relating to Canadian Law. I follow follow Scott
Reisch, Crime Talk and have learned a lot and am both appreciative & grateful for the time he is willing to share to assist lay people in gaining a greater understanding ( especially in high profile cases) of exactly how it works. I now have a fairly solid understanding of the American legal system and am enjoying gaining an understanding the English & Welsh system and as well am appreciative & grateful for your time and the knowledge you share.
So..regarding the home camera systems issue …I cannot get a straight answer. We follow the English Civil Common Law system ( well except for Quebec which follows the Napoleonic Code) and it appears to be a gray area. So, again much gratitude for covering this topic. 🙏💙
I have neighbours that have camera looking at my property and with sound. The ICO and the Police didn’t won’t to do anything even though they had assaulted me and recorded me in my own house. I put camera up told the ICO and the Police what I was doing. With my camera I court them calling me names, threatening behaviour with the car. I sent this to the police ICO and council and I had no help. There are so many camera out there the ICO and Police said they will not do anything about it. 😢
From the ICO website. "The use of recording equipment, such as CCTV or smart door bells, to capture video or sound recordings outside the user’s property boundary is not a breach of data protection law. "
We've got a ring door bell and set the advanced motion detection such that it only triggers a recording if a person enters our drive way and approaches the house. While the camera does see the public footpath and the road it doesn't record movement from those areas.
I have very recently installed a Ring Doorbell at the front of my house, on advice from the local Police, because of the job and the muppets who have threatened our safety. So, if one of these said muppets was to bring a “friend” to assist them and they were talking, presumably they would be still able to sue me? Or would it depend upon what they were talking about (e.g if it were a possible crime against me or someone else)?
@@PoppyMom1 I believe it depends how the front of your property is set up. Where are these so called muppets talking, are they standing on a public sidewalk, i.e does your door open directly onto the street, or is there an area of private property in front? At the end of the day I don't think you can be sued unless you share the footage with someone other than the police. Plus why would they sue you just for recording their conversation when they chose to stand in front of your door. All you have to do is delete the footage if they ask.
@@martingibbs1179 No, they would still be on private property, and the boundary is the pavement. The rest of the driveway belongs to us, thankfully. The only people who might have any interest would be the Police or a lawyer. The Ring literally only captures a 12 o’clock position and nothing else. Thank you for your reply, I’m really grateful to you.
What annoys me more is the stupidly loud ring that sounds out to the whole of the street announcing that my neighbour has yet another visitor!
Mobile phones in back gardens are a nuisance to if your quietly sitting in your garden reading a book.😂 why do they have to be so loud and announce that someone is calling them ? have you ever had white van man in your street broardcasting his in van phonecall to base on the vans speaker system so everyone can hear the call? whats the point in broardcasting a private conversation?
Sounds like you can film the thieves stealing your car off the driveway as long as you don’t record the car they arrived in 😂
What if you park your car in a public place and record from the car?
@@gamewithadam7235as long as in public no problems 😊
Oh dear. You didn't think that one through. Do you expect a car thief to be driving their own car!
By the way, that reminds me of a funny case I had in court. I was up for no insurance and I was found guilty. When it came to how I was going to pay I told them I did not have any money. The prosecution said well sell your car then. I told them my car had since been stolen, which was true. He retorted, well claim off the insurance then!
I would have thought a vehicle is not of itself a data subject.
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So its fine for government and government bodies to record you i:e cctv and bwvc
My parents recently had some anti social teeanager issues resulting in several threats to harm my parents and a broken window. When my parents discussed CCTV with the Police officers, they said "we really like the video doorbells as it allows us to hear as well as see what happened" (my parents house opens directly into a public road with their garden on the other side of the road).
I wonder if capturing movement on a private road leading up to your property (but outside its formal curtilage) would be considered reasonable....
My Friends neighbour complained that the camera at the front of my friends house was covering the front of his house, my friend not wanting to upset his neighbour moved the camera down so it only covered his front door, 6 months later the neighbour had his motorbike stolen off the drive and he came round to my friends house asking if it had been caught on CCTV to which my friend explained no because you had me move the camera? Ppl get far too paranoid and don't forget your neighbour can in most cases with their own eyes see more than the camera can anyway.
😂😂, , your friend should have said the camera only works when it wants too, get lost
We have a camera pointed at out front path and takes in the road and path opposite. The police actually asked us if we had footage from a certain date to help with a crime.
Had an interesting “doorcam” pickup - I was scrolling through the activity on the history, and saw two gentlemen on the edge of my property. One of these men walked on the my property (activating the recording) and was called back by the other. I was a bit confused, so I bumped the audio. It was two Conservative Councillors and they realised I was not someone they wish to call on (some colourful language used) it was in an election cycle - but no the video was not published GDPR would apply.
I checked on the internet to se if I am allowed to film in a public place and apparently it is not breaking the law and I don't need a permit. So what is the difference with my doorbell filming in a public place.
That’s what I find confusing also
An individual certification with the ICO only costs £35 per year. For those concerned about their doorbell cameras, this might be worth looking in to. Equally landlords of rental properties should investigate this too, even if they use an agent or other middleman.
A woman with out live likes has cameras around her little apartment. She spends a lot of her own time looking at people through those cameras
You can record anything in a public area but not your neighbours garden.
Mt Ring is set to only capture only within my boundary.
I have Ring and CCTV stickers on my front door advising of the recording.
Thames Valley police regularly request door bell footage but I dont see how thats possible unless the bell records the street all the time.
Ive seen folks i take seriously say Ring is a dubious firm that breaches "Owners"privacy and will hand over video footage to the police etc without a Warrent , some Folks have these cameras indoors too
Tech tip: Some CCTV cameras now have the ability to mask-off areas of the image so they aren’t recorded.
Yep, I've got a Ring camera at my front door and unfortunately you can't control the lens itself so a part of my neighbours garden was in view.
I found the section on the app that allowed me to black out the section of my neighbours garden, and I showed her that it wasn't recording her garden just to give her peace of mind, she said she hadn't even considered it recording her, but really appreciated me being open about it and was happy with the result.
Anneke cameras on Amazon have this feature and cost around £200 with four cameras.
So I can film in public on my mobile outside my home on the street no problem but a ring doorbell is a different kind of filming?
Can someone explain please
I’m confused
My neighbour has a cctv camera that records sound so he can hear what the neighbours are talking about so whenever im out in my driveway i put the song" im a wanker" on repeat on my phone and put it on the wall directly under the camera 🤣🤣🤣
I argued with local council about GDPR in my field I own with a public footpath running through it. Their lawyer knew nothing just mouthed off. I have CCTV being used signs I copy and save all pictures and videos of people who come to the gate or climb over the style for police use if my property gets stolen or damaged 😊 I do not put any of it outside of my laptop no social media no where. If someone asks for a copy of themselves happy to oblige. It captures traffic going by as well but only side view. 😊 Council said due to GDPR I couldn't have a camera there 😂
I would have politely (maybe not so) told the Council that as soon as they remove all the cameras they have littering the street scape I may consider removing mine - until then **** Off!
Confused ..... !! YT auditors always say there is no expectation of privacy in public. So if I stand on the public footpath in from of my house next to my parked car and use a video camera or phone, I can make a video with audio of traffic and people going by. If I have a front doorbell camera that can see my car on the road in front of my house and also other cars driving past it and people as they walk past on the footpath. How is that different from my first example?
'Auditors' are present when filming & using hand held equipment in a public place. Fixed cameras are the issue when they cover public, and other peoples private, space.
A ring doorbell camera has been put on a communal front door need to know if that's legal or not
You can film anything you can see from a public Vantage Point there is only a problem with security cameras when they are pointed at your neighbours back garden where they would normally expect a reasonable amount of privacy
In England or Wales?
@@dudmanjohn the laws are the same in any Anglosphere country, it's all about a reasonable expectation of privacy in that location.
I suppose it all becomes legal if the police want to look at it
Individual certification £35 ? Going to check it out. Thank you .
I'm in the U.S. and have been researching doorbell cameras for at least a month. For the most part, I've been looking on Amazon but also recommended sites. So far, I haven't pulled the trigger on any of these as the reviews seem to vary from excellent to trash. I haven't heard/read anything regarding the possible infringement of others' rights by either video or audio. I hope I don't have to worry about this now.
the U.S. is different ,you actually have CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS !
@kevmk2 While that is true, there is a certain faction leaning in a particular way that would like to see those rights snipped away bit by bit.
@@elkelewtschuk9894 the freedoms that the U.S. have make it the greatest country in the world ,the people have to resist the tyrants who want to take away peoples rights !
It depends what you mean by data protect laws, thats a very general term. GDPR/DPA 2018 is nothing to do with right to privacy and personal space. GDPR requires you to be registered and follow a load of procedures, and get permission to sell your personal information. Invading some ones privacy as an individual is not a breach of the GDPR, its a breach of right to privacy. GDPR only applies if you are making money from the data, so I'd be interested to try and understand what regulation was referenced in the privacy case. I only really know the GDPR, and not the DPA specifically, but they should be similar. (i worked for CCTV manufacturer doing regulatory approvals and studied the Polish case).
The property bounds issue was a prior judgement (in Poland) that applies only to the previous DPR (prior to 2018), it was a incorrect judgement IMO but made null and void in the 2018 version which clarified the mistaken interpretation of "for personal use" by the judge at the time. The ICO took the judgement as read at the time, but it eventually expired and became irrelevant.
Right I have a look at the judgement and it is technically wrong IMO regarding the GDPR/DPA. I can't find a link to your video on it, but will look further.
The judgement bangs on about the DPA and its requirements for commercial users, NOWHERE (that I can find on a quick read) does it address whether the DPA applies to the defendant. All those clauses are not applicable and entirely irrelevant IMO. The GDPR 2018 is very specific on it NOT applying to non-commercial users. If you don't have to register with the ICO it does not apply to you. Noone seems to have pointed this out.
The main case hinged on harassment legislation, but right to privacy could have been referenced, I'm not sure on the UK position on that, its rarely used.
Do people have a right and expectation to privacy in a public place?
With a Ring doorbell you can narrow the field of view in the settings to it doesn’t show or record specific areas, beyond your fence for example.
Also, I showed my neighbour what it’s recording and what it isn’t, as a courtesy. I think if you’re up front with people then they’re less likely to think something sinister is going on.
I have wondered about the camera when I am at a self service check out - what is done with my data
Probably stored on a database so the police have a mugshot for the likes of crimewatch
If my understanding is correct then I cant use a camera type doorbell as it would view the front doors of 3 other properties. I have tried to figure out a way round this but with a communal courtyard garden it's a bit difficult to say the least. The issue I have is that there is an idiot who keeps randomly knocking loudly on my door at 3AM and there is no view of them by the time I get there but the police cannot do anything of course without evidence.
Does the ring door bell also have to conform to broadcasting laws if you show the video coverage to other people to show them what you neighbour or passer by are doing without their permission? As you are now broadcasting their privacy?
What is the situation if I'm not recording sound but my camera records people in a public area outside my property? They are on the public road and not on private property.
I have CCTV in my garden which I've set up in a way so none of my neighbors property is within the field of view of the cameras. Cameras at the front of the property are not covert and can be easily seen, but do record what is going happening on the street outside. Is it OK to record what goes on on in the street, outside your home, as long as you don't allow the media to be viewed by a third party? If there is a police incident, one of the early lines of inquiry is for the police to look for evidence from private CCTV systems. I cannot understand how this is acceptable if it was gathered illegally/unlawfully.
If you can see it from your window you can record it but we all need clear constant gidelines for property owners ie how far away from your home you can view with a camera
What about a corner property that sits on a 90 degree bend and so it’s doorbell can record all the comings and goings of the neighbours and road that is perpendicular to it?
So what would happen if you stood outside someone's house and videod them, what is the difference? Or the security cameras everywhere you go? Are you not able to video in a public place?
Yes you can - from a handheld device - but you could not set up a camera on a tripod outside someone's house and go to Maccas for a coffee while you recorded them!
Hello BB, nerdy mature (like fine cheese-or wine) Law student here. Apart from DPA 2018, could they have also sued on the basis of private nuisance?
What about if we rented an acccomodation and they had a ring doorbell recording the balcony?
I believe that if your camera is being used to protect your personal property, home, land, and automobile. Then you should be protected. However, recording video which is beyond your property is probably illegal. The question is capturing video at your fence line which is harder to determine your private property vs. public property.
So if there are laws stopping you from recording the public road how do councils and the police get away with having cameras capturing traffic and movement in the streets?
I live in a flat with stairs inside, and have a video doorbell so I don't have to shout down. It doesn't catch or record any neighbours however.
Can you do a video on Camera's in works vehicles please? especially Ai in your face ones?
Some video door chimes only activate when someone presses the ring button.
Is this confusing, if police ask for cctv of an event that may have taken place outside your curtlage, but you have captured information. Where do you stand
So the law states that I can film or take pictures in or of a public place. And Road and pavements are classed as public, so if I stood in my garden and filmed the road, I’m not breaking any laws or GDPR. So what’s the difference between me holding a camera and the camera being fixed to a wall.
Would like to understand how this doesn’t apply to drone users who operate over private land (legally). I’ve seen videos on UA-cam where the drone user states they are not subject to GDPR as they are not an organisation. However if they are putting the footage on a monetised channel, surely they are acting as some sort of business. Any chance of a legal view on that?
My neighbour has installed 3 cameras all looking over my property and into my daughter's bathroom window. Neighbour is on city council and despite sending pics of cameras staring directly at us it was only after 6 months they came to view but Police don't want to know. My daughter is having sleepless nights worrying. What can I do?
You don't have proof the camera is picking up the goings on in the bathroom. Why not just frost the window so no one can see inside?
@@marycahill546 I've put a blind up but the cameras look over the entirety of our back garden and driveway so neighbour can watch when we go out.
I was told to take down a security camera in my hall because when you open your front door you can see the person at your door. This is in breach of that person privacy. [THIS IS NOT THE UK] So all doorbell with vid cam not allowed even though it is for sale in local shops does not make it legal. It is also not allowed to use dummy cameras.
What about the hallway of a block of flats/ apartments?
I’ve had 2 vehicles damaged. One of them, twice. I’ve had various tyres deflated on other vehicles. I’ve had washing taken from my clothesline. Dog poo and cigarette ends left on my drive/pavement. Since the cameras were put up, nothing has happened.
Should I remove my cameras? What would you do? Be honest.
I live in a block of flats and have a communal garden, my neighbour has 2 dogs, lets them run around the garden, deficate and then walks out (leaving the poop); I had cameras to capture this but was told by my landlord that I was in breach of tenancy after the dog owners friend complained, leading me to take down the cameras (which were inside my property). Funnily enough I was asked for the footage by my landlord due to ongoing issues with the neighbour in question, so its ok when they need evidence...cheeky buggers.
Tenancy agreements are private contracts, I’m guessing they can require/ban almost anything as long as it’s not illegal to do so.
How about the dash in cars in cars if the police request them?
Of course I mean dash cameras?
I park my car in a space in front of my house but its not part of my land, my last car got maliciously scratched and I don't want that happening again so I thought of getting a cctv and hard drive, the camera hopefully would be a deterrent in itself, but it would capture images from the street around my car and the foot path that runs between the end of my garden and the parking bays. Not of anyone else's garden though. I'm curious if you think that would be OK, my thinking was it's no worse than being filmed in every shop, petrol station and pretty much every public space we go into these days. I figure if you can look out the window and see it, filming it shouldn't be a problem surely?
There was a case here where a creepy man had a camera pointed at the neighbor's bathroom windows - and there was video footage of little girls who lived there on his computer. (which was how they discovered the cameras) It was just one thing that allowed authorities to send him to prison for years.
@@johnmuller5342 Wow, way to blame the victim. So if I come round to your private home, sneak up and film you undressing through your window it's your own fault because you forgot to draw the curtains or close the blind? Are you serious?
this didn't need reporting to the police because they are nothing short of useless... just get a few friends and take the man and make him lost!
@@Jimmy_Wilde His son murdered his wife. It was discovered as part of the murder investigation.
It's all getting a bit confusing because if you have cctv or a doorbell viewer it will probably capture scenes past your immediate boundary at the front of the property. In fact, the police ask for this footage should a nearby crime have been committed, and what about the hundreds, possibly thousands, of people going about their daily business and being recorded, unknowingly, on dash cams?
If you are on any neighbourhood police email list you will often get a request for any footage as soon as someone gets done over. They make the rules up as they go along.
I recall Daniel did a video explaining that different lawa apply to dash cams and fixed security cameras on buildingx.
a problem arises when you record on another persons property , the road is usually public roads and paths so you can record
But you can record public land e.g. the road in front of your House ?
My neighbour has a camera pointing at my spa pool. I had to fit a curtain to give me some privacy.
Our cameras cover our neighbours front gardens for some distance up and down the road. I'll gladly give footage to them if they need it, have done several times and footage from our CCTV was used to prosecute and prevent hate crimes and anti sociable things. The police have asked us not to move our cameras from where they're pointing. I also phoned the gdpr helpline to make sure I had correct signage if any was needed
So, is this a specific law relevant only to CCTV and doorbells?
The reason I ask is as a photographer, we have the well known right to photo or video anything we can see from a public place. I assume this also extends to a private place if the photographer/videographer owns said place.
Whilst I would also agree that it is morally wrong to film your neighbor sunbathing ect, the ring doorbell is likely to be at the front of the house near public access.
Also, with regards to audio - I would argue that whilst audio capture may not be a priority - it could be useful at times and more importantly is likely a feature of the device that just happens to be there (as opposed to specifically wiring up microphones) So, if my cctv can hear a neighbours conversation, then its only what I can also hear.
there is no expectation of privacy in public, the same goes for audio, if you don't want the neighbours to hear, then talk inside, not leaning against the neighbours fence! surely?
I am not asking this through any wish to do any of those acts - but it seems like this law is somewhat contradicting other laws
I have neighbours recording from behind their windows to common areas / public space.
Can someone clarify whether this issue only relates to recording devices.
I have a network connected camera that looks out of my front window and I can view its output remotely - it does not record any footage. I use the live feed to check on my garden when I'm on holiday - I'm especially keen to see if it's raining, so I know whether to ask my neighbour to water my plants.
So, do I need to worry about GDPR? So far as I can see, what I'm doing is just the same as me looking out of my window.
What if you live in a council block of flats and out side the front door is shared area by everyone but it’s with a fenced off area with electric person gate can you still use ring doorbell camera
There is the ability to mask off areas not to be recorded which is fine , but thats down to the honesty of the individual as to whether or not they keep the mask in place.
Further, a camera can apear to be pointing away from ones boundry line but if a wide angle lens is used , then it can capture well outside a boundry line.
@dougaldouglas8842 I used to have a security camera many years ago because I was qurious who was out and about during the we hours.
That said, I found the camera was making me paranoid and if anything making me feel more insecure.
In my own opinion cctv is the modern equivalent of a curtain twitcher.
Good neighbours or not everyone has a right to privicy.
Being a Netflix subscriber I don't watch live broadcast so I don't require a uk TV licence, my question is? or so I'm told but no clear a precise information as yet , all be it some say you do and some say you don't regarding ring door bell? Do require a tv licence to install one
See if had legal aid can you get more once hv a friend its enquiring about it what you so said its interesting about the subject
Nearly everyone in my street has CCTV, and that stopped most problems in the area.
Apart from the theft of CCTV cameras
My local Next Door group has a post, every now and again. These posts consist of a CCTV image of someone, captured around the premises, but not always on them, allegedly acting suspiciously. Invariably, they ask if anyone knows the person. To me, this is a breach of GDPR, particularly as there is no proof that the person was acting illegally.
Hang on, at 2.25 in you seem to be saying people can’t record their own gardens! Really? How then do we record someone trying to break in through rear patio doors? Secondly, when the police appeal for cctv recordings of a street event are they in effect asking people to volunteer that they have broken data protection laws?
Can you debate me on the 3 inch knife law please? you got it wrong and it's important for people to get it right
Scuse my ignorance but what is a nest doorbell?
Is it legal for the council to book you for speeding without a speeding sign notifying you of the speed?
Here is a story I was told last week. Is it correct? I myself have cctv and I have a notice on my property stating that cctv on my premises is recording 24/7. Now the story I was told was that a householder also had cctv recording, and it viewed a walkway that ran down the side of her property, inc the garden. The reason for this was to catch anyone from the walkway climbing over the garden fence into the property. Now, one night the cctv recorded a stabbing on that public footpath. The owner of the property and recording approached CID and informed them that they had this recording, she was asked, are there any signs up on her property to inform anyone that cctv was installed and recording, when she answered no, the CID officer told her, that in that case they could not use the recording, and in fact could not even view it. Talk about the law being an ass. Iam sure if it would have been a friend or relative of the investigating CID officer, iam sure they would have viewed it to at least put them on the right evidence track of a perpetrator. Instead, I guess they went to the family of the stabbed person and said, sorry we have no leads. What an ass the law is against victims sometimes. Same with dashcams. If a dangerous driver does something wrong whilst driving and my dash cam records it. You can't just hand it over to the police for them to deal with. You have to find the dangerous driver yourself, and YOU have to prosecute them in court. I was told this fact by an officer who was manning a speed camera police van. The world's gone mad. Police protecting illegal protesters in the m8ddle of the road, and them doing nothing about it, to a stabbing victim not getting justice because of a cctv sign not being displayed, to you having to take persons caught on dashcam to court yourself.
If I have recording cameras on my boat, say one at each end looking down the side that is moored up, taking in some of the towpath too, where do I stand on this?
I couldn't give a flying FIG what other people think of my cameras... They are staying and that's that. the neighbours will soon be round my house if their house or garage gets broken into so why would they object to them.
What if the cameras were set up in a way that lets me see into the neighbour's garden (while still covering all my garden) to prove their kids are the ones breaking the fence between our property? They are also climbing over the fence into my back garden chasing after my cat, I even had one of them trying to open my front door while I was in the shower a few days ago. I want to get evidence before making a complaint to the local council, so it doesn't turn into a their word against mine situation, only now I'm worried I could get in trouble if I did set cameras up.
What do you do if your having pictures taken of you by a your neighbour (they also have cctv around there property) her gate and the path to our right of access (are next to each other on the side of there house) the path to the 3 other property goes down the neighbour fence line and around the back of there property to allow access to them all fenced off 3 I am the 2 house down but I am in the middle of a neighbourly nightmare/dispute today I have seen this person now taking pictures of myself while in my back garden and/or the path way to remove building waste from my property and recently come across this video about simpler things how do I go about it as I am not one for having pictures taken for free got a pay me first lol but honestly how do I go about it this person is in there 60s plus so hard to talk to at time
The problem is that councils don’t state it’s illegal for a camera to oversee a neighbours property, my argument would be if you had to remove a camera and someone had a doorbell camera then logically they also should remove that camera.
I believed the law states that as long as a camera is not pointing into a property if it is only partly viewing a garden or part of a garden there is little can be done.
what about webcams of places like Trafalgar Square?
Not in the US as long as you are filming public places like streets in front of your house. Police often ask the public videos to help solve crimes.
Any security device in your home or outside your home is legal as it would not be sold otherwise and if anyone breaks in then every evidence of this is there to put them away, its their choice to break in it's you choice to stop them at any means and I mean that in a way that they might need some hospital food for a few months
I think people get viewing and recording mixed up? It is not illegal to look at something even through a lens. (Spectacles included.) So if you have a photographic memory you might be wise to register with the powers to be???
So if you live in a terraced house can you have a camera doorbell on a public street ??
I’ve got one but it doesn’t record, only livens up if someone rings it ( post man etc )
What if you park your car in a public place and record from the car?
That’s not a static CCTV.
Is that why you have shades on your window?
Here in Spain, the law is similar for private or company CCTV use with small differences. The moment your camera points out of your grounds, you have to display a public sign with the details of who is recording the data including name and a telephone number for contact purposes. Anyone who considers they have been recorded has the right to contact the owner of the data and ask to review their recordings and that they delete any recordings which includes the person enquiring. On my land here in the country we have motion detection cameras all around the perimeter but pointing inwards so we don´t need the sign, but I know all this because I looked into it. However, a friend of mine had a problem with a neighbour pointing his camera into his back garden here and sorted it out just by going round to his house every day and demanding to review the day´s footage, asking for footage where he appeared to be deleted. I think it took his neighbour about two days to move the camera.
You're meant to follow the same rules in UK (signage etc) but few to none do
@@offbeatwarble Is there full law compelling signage in England ?
@@highpath4776 it's the DPA. But ICO admit themselves they won't enforce it against domestic CCTV operators. It would likely only come about if 3rd party brought case against you, similar to case referenced in this vid. When your CCTV camera monitors areas beyond your property, even if the primary focus is on your house, then that footage must comply with the laws under the Data Protection Act. This includes footage that contains any areas beyond your property whatsoever. This is often unavoidable, and will occur in the majority of cases. In these situations, the following rules must be abided by:
You must put up clear signs that inform others that you have CCTV in operation.
You must only use the footage captured for its intended purpose (security in this case).
You must only keep the footage for as long as you need it.
The footage must be kept safe and not released to third parties.
if you are recording your own property and you catch a public place like the road or path outside your home its ok as you have no right to privacy in a public place , problem arises if you are catching images from next doors property
@@boofuu3145 agreed no right to privacy in a public place from a public place, but what about from a private place overlooking public land ?
Im interested to know about notifications on cameras.
I have no issues with neighbours (and i also have) having cctv, but when i hear a "ding a ling" sound everytime i open my front door, it makes me angry. Some neighbours get a audible notification and that catches me opening my own door. Surely this is too far?
My opinion is that it is one thing having it recorded, and possibly mever seen or viewed, but another to have an audio notification to highlight me going about my daily business, when it is no concern of theirs
Sounds like ppl around you have there motion detection settings to high
@@acesneights1947 I wouldn't say they are set too high, I'd say the location of detection is not fair, and to have the audible ringtone for such detection is a little stalker-ish and creepy.
I don't think anyone needs to be afraid of the Information Commissioner or GDPR. The ICO is a chocolate teapot
If someone in Scotland has a camera watching with no garden, just straight on to a public path is that legal? I only ask cos I suffer from mental health and agoraphobia so its making it hard for me. I know law is all different up here. We don't have magistrates just sheriff
*BBB*
I live in the UK and my neighbour has her ring doorbell pointed at the Public childrens area - (What is your opinion of this?)
Thanks
As far as I'm concerned, if you are only protecting your home and all information is deleted before or after 30 days. No one needs to worry except those that are doing a crime. I don't publish anything on any other site ever because I refuse to use Facebook, Twitter, and all the rest, all I use is UA-cam and I don't and never have ever uploaded anything on any platform. Don't come into my garden if you are not invited, STAY OUT.
I'm having problems with my neighbour throwing rubbish into my front garden. Our front doors are right next to each other with a dwarf wall divider. He has over 30 people a day calling round to his address on any given day - through out the day and none enter his house. The kinds of things thrown are cigarette butts to empty crisps an sweets. I've spoke with him but he doesn't care. I've thought about a ring camera but it would capture both our paths to our front doors. If I were to block his side with software it wouldn't be capturing evidence of him throwing the rubbish? Combine that with he's clearly dealing drugs out of his house as these people call round for a quick handshake and are gone in 30seconds again I'm worried about repercussions of making a formal complaint with the police or the housing. Being the summer time I have my windows open and can clearly hear what's being said on the road outside our house which reinforces my belief he's dealing. No idea what to do but it's having an effect on my mental health.
If the sound encroaches on your property then it should be fine to record it provided it is incidental. Sounds like GDPR is not fit for purpose.