Starfield - 3 LUXURY Ship Builds You Need to Try! - Ronin Ship Build Guide

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  • @RichBensen
    @RichBensen Рік тому +397

    During the Freestar Ranger quest line I was disappointed that Marco's ship was not stealable. That was a cool luxury ship

    • @outland2874
      @outland2874 Рік тому +33

      Yeah i tried so hard to steal it

    • @thepoplt5480
      @thepoplt5480 Рік тому +9

      Same

    • @punished_venom_snake
      @punished_venom_snake Рік тому +13

      Hopefully someone mods it

    • @TheRealist1.
      @TheRealist1. Рік тому +28

      ​@@outland2874everyone had to try stealing it LOL
      At least put it on sale at the ship builder.

    • @RyuKaguya
      @RyuKaguya Рік тому +22

      I was literally looking for a cockpit for at least 5 minutes after the fight

  • @tylerortega7572
    @tylerortega7572 Рік тому +67

    I would love to see like a dreadnought ship build guide. Big ship, big guns, almost invulnerable shields and max crew size.

    • @lucienguile9125
      @lucienguile9125 Рік тому +5

      I absolutely agree, though that might partly be because Im a huge fan of the Battlecruiser from Starcraft like the Hyperion.

  • @xenomorph1238
    @xenomorph1238 Рік тому +32

    I have to say, I like ship builds that use a majority of parts from one or two manufactures. I know that limits the creativity a bit, but it makes them so much easier to build. Also, really looking forward to the next build!

    • @michaelsheppard9499
      @michaelsheppard9499 Рік тому

      I kinda agree, kinda. Yeah, they look more aesthetically pleasing and you know what's what, but at the same time it does limit creativity. I'm personally waiting to hit 4th rank in ship building, but I also hear some experimental parts aren't even unlocked until like lvl50-60!!! I'm planning on building a massive dreadnaught of sorts with hardcore everything

  • @Malember
    @Malember Рік тому +10

    I have found that the placement of windows and doorways affects the internal parts of the habitat modules. So if you are missing beds, bathrooms, galleys, tables, etc. it is due to their use. To see this for yourself, try a quick and simple test by removing some of the windows and then revisiting your ship. You will be amazed at what is now there. I tend to use only top (ceiling) windows myself as a result my testing as they tend to affect nothing.

  • @ordosinister1182
    @ordosinister1182 11 місяців тому +6

    I like how you narrate this video like you’re selling these ships to prospective buyers

  • @Waspy49
    @Waspy49 Рік тому +142

    Hey Fudgemuppet, for another ship build could you guys try to make a military/tactical ship build? Love your videos guys ❤

    • @et3inuyasha
      @et3inuyasha Рік тому +6

      That's what I'm talking about! A ship made to tear through Spacers and pirates with impunity, with a swashbuckling, cutlass-swinging, pistol-weilding captain who'd make even FudgeMuppet's pirate build sweat cannonballs!

    • @horridjakers7841
      @horridjakers7841 Рік тому +6

      Colony Wars UC veteran build when lol. Former UC marine/pilot who got honorably discharged following the colony wars because the UC didn't need as many soldiers as they did during the war. He decides that he's too young to retire on his UC pension and decides to apply for Argos as he misses the hard work. He's excited to get involved in constellation as working with them reminds him of working in a team again. He happily joins the UC Vanguard to relive his youth.

    • @Honor_and_Steel
      @Honor_and_Steel 11 місяців тому

      Maybe take inspiration from submarine warfare? Other than fighter pilots, they're the only military force that has to fight in 3 dimensions. The Hopetech interiors give off that vibe. Maybe take a look at The Hunt for Red October for some inspiration on weapons types and placement.

  • @Ferenczy1966
    @Ferenczy1966 Рік тому +3

    Something you might want to mention is the minimum level that the parts you suggest all become available.
    Many will soon discover that many parts are PC Level Locked and wonder why they can’t see/buy them.

  • @rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290
    @rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 Рік тому +13

    A list of the parts used in each ship would have being very useful here.

  • @mathieugariepy2948
    @mathieugariepy2948 Рік тому +5

    A luxury set for the shipyard is a must. Make that with big windows.
    Great video!

  • @RavenKing95
    @RavenKing95 4 місяці тому +1

    Got to love the irony of building a ship with luxury vibes entirely out of Taiyo habs because they look nicer on the outside and what's the first thing you see when you go up the ladder? Scuff marks on the floor and walls of a brand new ship, along with what appears to be some sort of stain left behind when something was dragged down the wall leading into the living quarters. I love the overall design, don't get me wrong, but I genuinely feel like Stroud habs look better inside and out and the interiors have the bonus of matching the colour scheme of your sword more closely.

  • @r92871
    @r92871 Рік тому +20

    People are doing amazing with mods even as it is.
    When the Creation Kit drops next year starfield is gonna explode and they're gonna get weird with it. People making custom ship modules is going to be nice

    • @SimmerCK
      @SimmerCK Рік тому +5

      I look forward to that.
      All I need is nice structural pieces to encase the ship hab modules and hide this modular look to these ships.
      Say, Millennium Falcon structural pieces for a better circular and angular forms.

    • @N-Zen
      @N-Zen Рік тому +1

      After the creation kit is dopped its gonna be fun to build ships😎😎

  • @ikeduno7973
    @ikeduno7973 Рік тому

    The color sceme is straight out of the second wave of LEGO Space and i love it.

  • @OverlordMagos
    @OverlordMagos Рік тому +4

    Can't wait for the mod tools to come out, bet we can build something like the Fortuna eventually :)

  • @JayPod420
    @JayPod420 7 місяців тому

    Thanks, this video really helped me trim the fat... I was so close. Same ship, and I was really close to that 2nd biuld, and I could have spent a lot more creds to figure it out. Took a break and saw this. Big help.

  • @UpperDarbyDetailing
    @UpperDarbyDetailing 11 місяців тому +2

    It’s so weird that Taiyo is supposed to be the luxury brand, but it’s interiors are identical to the HopeTech ships, which is the opposite.

  • @TinMan445
    @TinMan445 Рік тому

    You got the best of stroud and Taiyo for sure! I just did my first taiyo build tonight and I’ll never use another captains quarters. Awesome build

  • @scyobiempire4450
    @scyobiempire4450 Рік тому +7

    I would’ve thought that a Cyberrunner would’ve been a good Ryujin Operative, if you ever make a Cyberrunner ship I can imagine it having a lot of control stations, computer cores and battle stations

  • @astercat49
    @astercat49 Рік тому +23

    It’s kinda funny, this is the polar opposite direction than what I did for my Ronin character. My character’s ship is fairly small and extremely utilitarian, most because it fits a more dark and brooding lone wolf kinda character.

    • @Emerging95
      @Emerging95 Рік тому

      Yeah mine is more of a rough and heavily weaponized ship because my ronin is more of a merc than stealthy assassin. It will be fun to see how different our ronin builds are going to be.

    • @chadharger9323
      @chadharger9323 Рік тому

      Out curiosity are you using the Isolation skill for your 'lone wolf'? If so how is it?

    • @astercat49
      @astercat49 Рік тому +3

      @chadharger9323 I am planning on using it, but I haven’t had the spare perk points to invest in it yet. I am using Introvert, and having extra oxygen is always nice.

  • @93MANIAC
    @93MANIAC 7 місяців тому

    I really hope that you can do another Starfield ship build video soon mainly I would love to see a Millennium Falcon inspired smuggling ship or a Nostromo inspired cargo ship

  • @GarrettBShaw
    @GarrettBShaw Рік тому

    I think a fun idea to alter the last luxury cruise design would be having a side docker that connects into the passenger section. With the idea being that you would pick up passengers in a spaceport, they would enter from the side docker, never have to use any ladders, or go through any crew areas. The crew and Captains would enter and exit through the landing bay when the ship lands for refueling. But your typical passenger pickups would occur that is space station, where they would use some sort of small shuttle to go from planet to station. And then they would board the cruise line.

  • @pmacaul
    @pmacaul Рік тому

    I’d really like to see you do more ship builds. To go along with solid character builds maybe mid to late game suggestions. I was hoping to see more from the community but it’s not quite there yet. Please and thank you 😉

  • @argella1300
    @argella1300 Рік тому +1

    Jiraiya is also from Japanese folklore, same with Tsunade and Orochimaru and a BUNCH of other characters and stuff in Naruto, so don’t worry about it

  • @Bojack1135
    @Bojack1135 Рік тому +1

    Darken the yellow from base and it turns into gold. I somewhat copied this ship but added my favorite engines and wings (keeping everything rounded) named it the Gilgamesh

  • @atreus_falcorth
    @atreus_falcorth 11 місяців тому

    You can actually make the C class version of this as A class. Its just that youll glitch the white dwarf 3000 engines and settle for class A modules (probably glitch the ones needing starship design). Very lore rich ship build. I love it!

  • @SsjRedneck
    @SsjRedneck Рік тому +1

    I would love to see your interpretation of an upgraded razorleaf the ship you get from the Mantis side quest. I just love the starfighter feel of that ship but I'm not quite creativ enough to enhance and expand upon its design

  • @hudsonclarkk
    @hudsonclarkk Рік тому

    i like how when you're flying there's no point. it's just a suspended empty void. that's really cool

  • @BrozanJal
    @BrozanJal Рік тому

    I love the second design and am now using a modified version for my Operative/smuggler character. I made it slightly longer adding shielded cargo scan jammers & crafting habs.

  • @fatherjimbo
    @fatherjimbo Рік тому +2

    1st ship is minimum level 17 for all the listed modules. Min level 43 for the 2nd one and at least level 53 for the last one. I wish they would include this info.

    • @sus425
      @sus425 Рік тому

      Where do you find that info in the first place

    • @HaggisDruid
      @HaggisDruid Рік тому

      ​@@sus425Looking up the level requirement for the parts used. I understand why they'd limit high tier reactors for higher level characters, but I wish if you had the highest tier of ship design you'd get access to level locked parts earlier or something.

  • @louisbrewer1260
    @louisbrewer1260 Рік тому

    Question.... are you able to add storage chests to the interior of the ship? It would be so cool to have that first room off the landing bay lined with storage crates along all 4 walls! I am asking for a friend who is a HUGE HOARDER! You know the type picks up everything of value and is aways over encumbered... LOL 😂

  • @mathieugariepy2948
    @mathieugariepy2948 Рік тому +1

    You could try your hand at a capital ship. A somewhat dated but illustrious veteran with a similar owner.

  • @lauradeneault3525
    @lauradeneault3525 8 днів тому

    I think I am gonna do a Stroud Eklund version of your third build for a space limo playthrough hehe 😊

  • @camrian
    @camrian Рік тому +10

    Who else feels that they should be able to decorate the interior of the ship like you can with an outpost?

    • @SsjRedneck
      @SsjRedneck Рік тому +1

      I think the player home system would work great idk if is the same as outpost building as ive never tried it but that would be dope

    • @Phoenix197
      @Phoenix197 Рік тому +2

      As a FO4 and FO76 player, I was sad to see we couldn't customize the interiors on our ships. I'd love to place collectibles and decorations and things.

    • @jaybird0312
      @jaybird0312 Рік тому

      @@Phoenix197you can kind of already do that but if you edit the ship at all it throws it all in your cargo hold and possibly even deletes some of it.

  • @obsidiansands
    @obsidiansands Рік тому

    The Stroud-Eklund habs are probably more for "luxury" when you think about it. It's the only hab company that has a 2x2 living quarters that's arranged like someone's lounge area that I know of.

  • @Nathan-gl3bw
    @Nathan-gl3bw Рік тому

    I love your ships man please more more more, I really want to see a star trek enterprise equivalent

  • @horseface31
    @horseface31 10 місяців тому +1

    Have you done one for us humble space truckers yet?

  • @sim.frischh9781
    @sim.frischh9781 Рік тому +2

    Black with gold, like the grip and saya (just means scabbart) of a katana, i have seen a couple of those by now and it looks really good. Very appropraite for a Samurai/Ronin build.
    And nice development from A to C, it gives a good impression of the character you have in mind.

  • @AmericanLoyal
    @AmericanLoyal 11 місяців тому

    I made the bigger ship build and like it. Something that might be nice is where you built the ship and slow down while talking and highlight each piece when you talk about it for us slower yanks. I'm going to build the C class ship next. Thank you for your time. It is greatly appreciated. I rp a disgruntled UC captain that has gone private contractor

  • @thlvsngwrtr8644
    @thlvsngwrtr8644 Рік тому

    Awesome ship tour! I hope to see more! Are you using an effect on the interior walk-through parts? Why does it look so good?

  • @TheChosenOne471
    @TheChosenOne471 Рік тому +1

    And we should be able to have people in our ship like hosting parties… idk would be fun lol

  • @Linkinpurk
    @Linkinpurk Рік тому +1

    After we had a character for all the other Factions the next one have to be a UC Captain :D

  • @spiderboy43
    @spiderboy43 Рік тому

    These ships will go great with my vigilante Ronin type. He's taken the role of The Mantis after finding her old lair and modified her ship to be more deadlier (and kinda looks like a bat, not intentional.) But he does need a sleeker ship for traveling around not as his vigilante persona.

  • @Sekulture
    @Sekulture Рік тому

    DLC wise, we'll get the story expansion, so it may introduce a couple new ships and parts nothing much, we'll get a house varun type DLC (similar to dawnguard and knights of the nine) you 'll join a joint UC and freestar faction a power that was around in the serpents crusade but was later disbanded and is now been rebuilt we'll get two or three ship DLC's so one of them may be a trident DLC

  • @perdedor3571
    @perdedor3571 Рік тому

    man I just started a character and he looks almost EXACTLY like your Ronin 😅

  • @jingle9691
    @jingle9691 Рік тому

    So good to see so many vids being uploaded!
    First!

  • @YourLocalFrenchman
    @YourLocalFrenchman Рік тому

    Amazing guide as always! I was just wondering if it would be possible to add the total credit cost for the next one? Just to have a budget idea

  • @udorauchfuss9194
    @udorauchfuss9194 10 місяців тому

    I love this Video. Super Präsentation. I buy all 3 😂😂

  • @TimeSageX13
    @TimeSageX13 11 місяців тому +1

    Literally building this the exact way you have, but its saying my cockpit isnt connected to my landing bay lol, love Bethesda bugs.

  • @Tanvaras
    @Tanvaras Рік тому

    Great video showcasing some very good designs, so here I am once again today spending most my time in game building more ships by Fudgemuppet....... This is a good thing though, ship building is just so much fun.

  • @RichQ33
    @RichQ33 Рік тому

    Would like to see a space scoundrel ship build

  • @AstraAstarte
    @AstraAstarte Рік тому

    im betting one of the dlc will allow us to buy and build trident ships which are the luxury brand ships for starfield.

  • @woodstocksnoopy5786
    @woodstocksnoopy5786 11 місяців тому

    The C Class ones look cool but suck on Very Hard with the options shown in the video.

  • @realWorsin
    @realWorsin Рік тому

    I actually plan on creating luxury interiors for the habs because its severely lacking.

  • @henryheavy8044
    @henryheavy8044 11 місяців тому

    God i really wish Bethesda add trident luxury ship parts coz I really want to see some habs that are designed for nothing but making your ship look like a 5 star hotel of sorts

  • @NCRTrooper_
    @NCRTrooper_ Рік тому

    I have been watching you for years and just now realized that I haven’t subscribed I apologize

  • @JDGenn
    @JDGenn Рік тому

    I love the ship building .... and hate it. : ) Just when I have a cool idea, I find the parts I see on NPC ships are not available to me.
    I like the hunter-style Ronin ship, just like I used the Star Eagle for most of my original playthrough (supplanted by the Kepler R).
    Personally I'm now playing at both ends of the size spectrum: tiny figher / shuttle ships and luxo-sized liners
    -->The stuff we see and can't have sure looks like a Hearthfire-type DLC. I think of the Fortuna and Vlad's house and say "Yep, they're going to charge for that" :p

  • @soleenzo893
    @soleenzo893 Рік тому +1

    the Deimos living quarters would be better i feel, they're more luxurious than tayio and have some neon lighting

  • @TheArne959
    @TheArne959 Рік тому

    Yeah would be nice if you had more control of interior.
    Atleast let us change collor scemes or pre fabs with diffrent collors like in the sims.

  • @hiimcharlottecharlotte
    @hiimcharlottecharlotte Рік тому

    One thing I can think of for the first design is to swap the living quarters and the captains quarters. You, as the captain, don't want everyone walking through your really nice room, so why put it at the entranceway? Similarly, the crew's quarters(the living qurters) are of course not as luxurious and are right at the entrance so they can more quickly move about the ship or off the ship as needed

  • @jorissmeets9332
    @jorissmeets9332 Рік тому

    Can you do a big destroyer like ship like the pillar of autumn

  • @prototype102010
    @prototype102010 Рік тому

    While I really like the ship building in Starfield, it's just got enough problems I don't find myself enjoying it, if that makes sense?
    Most interiors all feel the same. I was really hoping with the Taiyo stuff it'd be a REAL step above everything else in terms of luxury, but it feels... pretty much the same. In game everyone talks up how fancy pants it is but it just doesn't feel it in game. Also not being able to choose where ladders and doors go is super frustrating. Nothing bothers me more than having a door through my captains quarters into the workshop or something.
    I guess the interiors I was hoping for some very practical stuff like what we have, and them maybe more Star Trek Next Gen inspired... not luxury but nicer... carpets.
    Last sorta complaint about the ship building is most cockpits that have your crew right beside you. They just won't shut up. I forget which one but there's one cockpit that has your crew right beside you so the whole time during a fire fight all you hear is "Need something?" "Always a nice day to talk to hte captain" "I've got something for you." over and over...

  • @darren9752
    @darren9752 Рік тому

    I can't wait for a mod that lets you build on your ships, allowing us to place our own furniture and decorations

  • @Fatrocka64YouTube
    @Fatrocka64YouTube Рік тому

    I was wondering if I can make my own version of the Nostromo from Alien

  • @AthosZ92
    @AthosZ92 Рік тому

    I guess Fudgemuppet figured out the mystical secrets of the Lost Thermos and retracted the previous video. 😄

  • @michaelrobb9542
    @michaelrobb9542 Рік тому

    I get the sandwich references... oldest is in SK.

  • @samurai4663
    @samurai4663 Рік тому

    Dude how clean did u fly through those asteroids 💀😳

  • @thebarnessquad117
    @thebarnessquad117 Рік тому

    I made pretty much a battlecruiser that's pretty indestructible but it is not the prettiest thing I just have it with a lot of cargo cuz I'm basically trying to basically all my research I'm going to 100% before I beat the game I'm pretty close to like I think like 3 or 4 main quest left and it's practically my first playthrough don't really care too much what happens in New game Plus just going to keep on levelling so I can max out all my stuff

  • @HugeGeronimo
    @HugeGeronimo Рік тому

    Would have thought they would have windows, watching peasants get blown into the void while sipping on some chardonnay... The shapes and colours are good reminds me of Bugatti. Jolly good show chap. Hazzaah.

  • @Honor_and_Steel
    @Honor_and_Steel 11 місяців тому

    Ngl, Jiraiya may be a weeb name for a ship, but it translates to "Young Thunder" so its still pretty baller. Role play as a family remnant faction that kept their Old Earth Japan heritage alive.

  • @jackmazzella4920
    @jackmazzella4920 Рік тому

    can you make a UC juggernaut like the starfield equivalent of the centurion build

  • @ecfeclipse
    @ecfeclipse Рік тому

    First ship is just a better version of an Ecliptic Stiletto ;)

  • @jarl-
    @jarl- Рік тому

    I see you unlocked the UC Phyllis

  • @myneighborsnorlax3780
    @myneighborsnorlax3780 2 місяці тому

    Long shot i know but tried to build the first one but it kept giving me an error saying the landing bay couldnt be there. Does anyone know if it cant be done anymore or something?

  • @larrybraham4884
    @larrybraham4884 Рік тому

    I really would like to see a fortress. Insomuch it has lots of payload but can also destroy any ship with some mobility. Id like to just have a main ship with all my crap on it.

  • @juleswoodbury58
    @juleswoodbury58 9 місяців тому

    best captain's quarters are made by hope, everything else they make looks like crap, but the hope's captain's quarters feature a real bed and armchairs.

  • @itachivi9593
    @itachivi9593 Рік тому

    What armor is your character wearing?

  • @mcnamara976
    @mcnamara976 Рік тому

    I have a build for you how about a caption harlock character and ship

  • @GIESL91
    @GIESL91 Рік тому

    I'm playing ronin and made a very similar ship

  • @axelhopfinger533
    @axelhopfinger533 Рік тому

    The ship builder is still way too restrictive and limited in options for my liking. It's gonna take a few expansions/DLCs and some major mods to make it really good.
    Especially the interior design and placement of doors and ladders needs to be a lot more customisable.
    How about a proper deep space exploration ship for Constellation next? A big one with all the necessary facilities and plenty of living space for long space trips?

  • @Howdy8008
    @Howdy8008 Рік тому +1

    Lookin good. I would love a mod that gives the ships at every major spaceport like the carts in Skyrim to travel between major settlements.

    • @dahat1992
      @dahat1992 Рік тому +2

      Why wouldn't you just take your own ship?

  • @mikeprime5028
    @mikeprime5028 11 місяців тому

    Which starship company is more luxurious

  • @jkleczewski
    @jkleczewski 5 місяців тому

    I will build all of these... Every time I see Trident I think, I have money, let me buy your ships!

  • @HarryBarrett_
    @HarryBarrett_ Рік тому

    When will next rp build drop

  • @stinbray1120
    @stinbray1120 Рік тому

    i think we need bigger cleaner windows in updates/dlc/mods

  • @nigelhate
    @nigelhate Рік тому

    Why can't we customize the inside of the ships ??

  • @valaine-qb8ng
    @valaine-qb8ng Рік тому

    Tayio and Hope Tech have the most cheap looking interiors imo. I don't understand why u use so many of their parts. :D

  • @Snowshill
    @Snowshill Рік тому

    the customsiation is so so so darn limeted, exterios have a ok number of choices but if you wnat to build anything with diagonals you instantly run into the bigest limitation of the builder -.-
    oh and there may be 5 ship companies for interiors but really there are only 3, not even joking, put all e.g. captain rooms side by side in one ship and youll see that daimos and strous are almost identicle same for tayo and hope, they do have some very minour differances one being the colour
    ever wonder why we cant chose the colours for ship interiors ? its becauase one of the very small diferances is one is a white interior and one is black -.-

  • @ibramgaunt8863
    @ibramgaunt8863 Рік тому

    To bad you can't get the one from the ranger quest line.

  • @zzFlare
    @zzFlare Рік тому

    "What colour is your space Bugatti?!"

  • @brycethompson1330
    @brycethompson1330 Рік тому

    I would get this game if I could afford a computer lol

  • @CorporalChhin
    @CorporalChhin Рік тому

    Whos the real estate agent for these? I think with the cost of housing here in California, i rather buy one of these ship and travel 😂

  • @cloudmane4159
    @cloudmane4159 Рік тому

    Xenobiologist build please

  • @bubsterr741
    @bubsterr741 3 місяці тому

    The only thing i hate about ship building is not having one place with everything. And i don't think the game does a great job of explaning outposts. Nor does the nav system have a great way to locate vendors and / or settlements.

  • @arboris
    @arboris Рік тому

    I personally don't understand how you can stand the 3rd person camera in this game. It feels so detached from everything you do

  • @docmychedelic9153
    @docmychedelic9153 Рік тому

    I can’t saw for sure about hundreds of years in the future as a starship company name but here on Earth, now; Tao is pronounced Dow or at worst Dow with a t. Next time you can save a syllable.

  • @cheifwhat
    @cheifwhat Рік тому

    'An' A class ship

  • @daywaster1382
    @daywaster1382 Рік тому

    Starfield76

  • @cloudmane4159
    @cloudmane4159 Рік тому

    Va’ruun zealot build

  • @SRMC23
    @SRMC23 Рік тому

    the whole lack of luxury parts i think its alright taken base on lore, if humanity only had like 50 years to GTFO out of Earth of course utilitarism is gonna take over everything. People needed to make shelter insome inhospitable place becase there was no replacement homeworld, even if it took a few years for them to find new habitables it would have still taken a lot of time for mankind to regress to a time where aesthetics matter. this is more like The Expanse, Halo or Avatar and less like Elite or the X series.

  • @LeFaisDoDo
    @LeFaisDoDo Рік тому

    Black and yellow doesn’t scream luxury lol

  • @TrueInvisible
    @TrueInvisible Рік тому

    ..i don't want to hear people role playing "star wars" with starfield.. if you aren't willing to just create your very own ship from scratch, then don't play. my laptop CAN'T play the game, and the more i see "similarities" between starwars and starfield, the more i am convinced no to even bother with it.