It was a Geneva war crime that they buffed darkness in 5 mans for DH who already brings so much to dungeons but left rally in its nerfed state for raid and 5 mans.
whenever they buffed it DHs were in a horrible spot to be fair. The changes to player health / enemy damage / healing done in s2 absolutely gutted DH's survivability, since DH's only real claim to being a super hard to kill class before was leech. Not only had that been nerfed this expansion, but it was not buffed in s2 to compensate for the extra health like every other class had their off-healing and survivability buffed. So rot damage or staggered large hits were suddenly an issue. This meant that even on a 20 fort freehold, if you werent immediately topped off by the healer after the first shout, given an external defensive, or had an aug when pulling the double shout dudes you could be killed through blur. Just before s2 they also nerfed Blur to have a 20s longer CD, so now there's fewer uses of your one (coin-flip) personal defensive.
@@hugofreitas6799 yeah it was rough. I mained DH in s3 and 4 of SHADOWLANDS back in the dark times of sinful brand > eye beam > spam chaos strike, repeat for all content for mediocre damage and even i was like "im not playing this for another season if they dont do something." Because this was 10x more effort than my pally or warrior for less damage (or about the same as the war, cant quite remember) and infinitely less survivability in keys. I go into a key on dh, all the problems above. Meanwhile spell reflect go brr.
The thing is, they need to have that many stops from the amount of casts in dungeons this expansion, either all tanks should have that many stops, or they shouldn't have so many casts going off in dungeons, which means that many stops aren't needed
I just wanted the first mail tank in the game, and it could have been soo cool to have a magic dragon tank using black dragon earth magic to defend themselves
The GOAT OG tank trinket: Moreos lucky pocket watch. Also thematically superb. For whatever reason a tank can pull out the device to buy time or stop time. As a young tank it was your ace in the hole. For me on my rogue it was my PvP evasion part deux😁
Season 2 was also the sporecloak. We had a DH refuse to take off his heroic sarc cloak during prog despite dying constantly, he could have put a spore cloak.
On the cheat death trinket topic, thats why paladin tanks were so OP in wotlk and wotlk classic. They just had a built in cheat death passive in their talent tree. In cata they reworked it to be an active ability where you had to predict when you were in danger of dying.
what if like keys stopped scaling at a certain point and key levels higher than that like reduce the total time you have to complete the key. I feel like that would make it less one shotty all the time and incentivize creative routing and pulls
The problem is trying to support this game mode in a game which isn't built for it. Notice how they just took the timer AWAY from half the dungeon runners and squished M+ up higher into the gear progression. Timers are cancer for 99% of players. People would much rather progress against hard content raid-style, where they're allowed to fail, and try again.
@@DarkScreamGames like it takes the creativity away from how u pull the dungeons without the pressure of the timer. It’s like people who say remove affixes. Without them there’s no variation to how u play the dungeon it would get boring
I'm not sure if it would help enough, but maybe reduce the power of all raid buffs when not in a raid? still a benefit but not as impactful? for example, drop the 5% bonuses down to 2%, and the 3% vers down to 1%, something like that. then they're closer tuned to racial bonuses
The problem I have with the cantrip weapons/rings this expansion is that there is no sacrifice of stats (I believe the Sarkareth cloak is the exception), they just have a bonus effect. I think items with bonus effects wouldn't be problematic if they actually had a reduced stat budget, making it an interesting choice instead of just always better.
@@akashaedge1379 I can ensure you it very much is. After just a couple of hours you can master the rotation and then it's only about how good your party members are at using it. Healers have a harder time dps:ing than Aug
@@AlexanderForsman bold claim for someone that is definetly not playing at a world first level. aug or not. notic i dint say "raid world first" i said plays on that level. i also can play frost mage or destro lock and be at 90% in a couple of hours. you also kind of outed yourself. dpsing is easy on every class, what about the 30 different utility spells you get on aug? knocks, saves and group defs? what about rotating the buff on the perfect target at any given point in a raid encounter? yeah there is no way you are even close to master any of this in a couple hours.
@@akashaedge1379 Ar you sure you are answering the correct person? You just said "no" to my statement. Mastering is more than just knowing the correct buttons to press, its about being able to press them correctly without having to think about it. As for utility it's not that much. I have more than 30 keybinds when i play mistweaver.
@@AlexanderForsman how did my last answer not directly adress the statement you made? "I hate how the only difficulty comes from how good your friends are."
You guys should add a comment of the week segment from the previous weeks comments. This weeks winner is 100% Poddy C replying to a dratnos compliment with ‘nah he’s mid’
I wish they would try more effects caused by different combinations of abilities. Like how shamans can combo a frost shock with an earth shock to trigger a root instead of just a slow, etc
Here's an idea to fix the issue of Blood DK's getting-1-shot in High-Keys: Give Blood DK a new Capstone-level Spec Talent that does something like: [Will of the Undying: All damage you take is reduced by (~30%-50%), but (~the same percent) of all damage you take applies a Healing-Absorb for 100% of that amount.] In other words: It would drastically reduce the amount of incoming damage, but the Blood DK would still require just as much Healing as if they had actually taken the damage that was reduced. The end result is a Net-Neutral change in the amount of HPS the Blood DK requires to survive, but it just spreads out that required HPS without making them infinite-health-Gods. Edit: I made a Post on the WoW Death Knight Forums going into better detail about the idea. I think my comment will get removed automatically if I link it directly here, but searching for "A Blood DK idea to fix the issue of them getting 1-shot in High-End-Content" should pull up the Post. Since people seem to like the idea more attention on the Forums couldn't hurt. It makes little difference to me either way since I haven't played DK since Season 1 and I'm a Paladin Main.
@@Twin512bass Yea exactly. I made a WoW Forum Post in the DK Forums going into more detail, and in that post I said: "Think of it like a cross between Will of the Necropolis and Monk's Stagger". Which also made me realize that the Talent could replace Will of the Necropolis entirely. It works both alongside Necropolis, or could completely replace it without skilled DK's losing any survivability.
@@zinkist the potential of this DMG reduction replacing WotN isn't a bad take as well, I'd be okay with that too. Also, side note: I'm hoping the 2 new NYI talents will be an upgrade, bc they both lead to Iron Heart, so for pathing reasons only I hope at least one is worth the spend.
got back into the game at the end of june, hadn't played since legion, but super missed mythic plus dungeons, got my first bullion and cape was one of my worst items so i bought it absolutely not noticing the lack of stam, thankfully someone told me a few days later
Sark cloak in s2 was crap because we had that craftable cloak that had HUGE defensives... also, luminous barrier shows up on meters and PWbarrier does not.. so i always use luminous
I genuinely think aug would be fine if they just tweaked a few things. First of all they need to fix the logs so everything isn't broken completely for everyone else. That's the number one concern. Other than that I think they can do many more qol changes like they have begun to do recently. For example, letting you choose 4 set people where your buffs go at the start of each pull. I think that would help the 90% of players. And third they probably need to add more support specs
This aug thing is gonna be massive for mid level CE augs like me, during early prog of a hard boss youre gonna be able to pay way more attention to the fight and still do decent damage, instead of just figuring out who gets what when.
They discuss problems that probably only the top 0.1% of players have. All suggested solutions contain interactions that already work on lower keys. If this worked the same way for their key level, you would quickly get over this problem and be faced with the same one-shot problem again in slightly higher keys.
I wore the cloak for about two weeks before realizing it had no stamina lol. It is just one of those things where cloaks always have stamina so it is not a stat I would ever have thought could not exist on one.
As much as i like the "dh feels good now cause they feel like they're in control" take, i have to still state i feel like even DH feels a bit iffy to play atm. In SL, i felt like i had ALOT of control as any tank, cause there was enough going on to where one person could deal with everything that was extremely important. The reason other tanks dont feel as in control now compared to DH, is the amount of stuff going on. I think tuning down DH control, and tuning down the amount going on accordingly, and biringing other tanks UP to that same level would be a better state for tanks, than what current DH feels like
If you say that super high-end people don't enjoy minmaxing Aug either, perhaps a solution could be that they would work like a windfury totem - you would just put them in a party with four people and those people would always get buffed. No possibility to buff other people in the raid, even through Prescience. Would make it much closer to the dungeon experience, and entirely remove the spreadsheeting.
I hate aug because they deal 20% more dps than the next highest spec and nobody even knows because they also break every way of tracking damage. I don't even know if Blizzard is aware of how overpowered aug is.
Also "fix log hooks" is not a trivial action. They had log hooks working during Aberrus. They all broke immediately during Amidrassil PTR and have not worked since. Even if they get them working they're just going to break again the next time they make major changes to classes.
The problem with cheat death trinkets is that if you are capable of dying, then a single cheat death is only going to delay that. If you're doing a raid boss, for example, and you need a cheat death trinket to survive, a trinket that usually has a 5-8min "CD" ... that cheat death is either going to pop early and then the next time you need it, its on CD ... or you're not going to need it. It's only useful for when you screw up. The rest of the time it's not doing anything because all its value is on that cheat death effect. It's incredibly rare that there's one moment every 8 minutes of content that you are at risk of dying. You're either always at risk of dying, or never. And if you had a different trinket, you can reduce that risk of dying. The absorb trinket from fyrakk, for example. Huuuuge absorb a 90 sec CD on use effect - entirely controllable. The DOTI trinket is kinda better than average because it also reduces the damage mobs do to you by 20% - assuming they were responsible for killing you, so again, useless for groups, but again, it's on an 8min CD. As soon as its activated, it's literally useless for 8mins. You'd be better off just not being at risk of dying in the first place. For example... a cheat death trinket 'might' save you from screwing up rashok's tank swap mechanic. Then it's on CD for the rest of the fight. Sure that stops you from wiping that pull, but not if you screw up again or if you just don't screw up in the first place.
for blood dk, for example, they could make a skill called blood sap or something, that disorientates for 2 sec, and pulls a little bit of hp from each mob, such that if you need to deathstrike in an aoe pack, you dont get as much hp back in a small pack, but u can realistically use it anyway, for other tanks they could also get some more abilities 1 or 2 max, that jives well with their class, doesnt have to be massive, a little goes a long way if the cd is like 30 sec- a min. the utility doesnt need to be exactly the same, prot warr for example has much better dps than vdh, it doesnt need to catch up completely to be viable at the same key level. and all of this would also be solved by more of the dungeon not being as sensitive to aoe stops, by means i touch upon a little bit bellow.
I absolutely agree that everything one-shotting you is incredibly annoying in M+, but I also remember when the timer was the real boss and people would just leave after a single wipe and I fucking hated that so much more. Especially when I just wanted to get my weekly chest ready and you would do like three dungeons that people refused to finish and after two hours you were exactly no closer to having your vault ready.
Im actually surprised at how many people play Vakash at the high end. We really don't play that much this season and were just getting into one-shot territory and my SP has already killed himself with it twice
26:00 I didn't realize Sark cloak had no stamina until I heard you guys talk about it. I just assumed Blizzard wouldn't be stupid enough to make a "very rare" item literally worse than a regular cloak. None of the other "very rare" items work like that. The Nymue staff doesn't have any less stats than a regular staff, it has a bonus active effect. By the way, having rare items be on the bullion vendor at the same price as other items is pretty dumb aswell.
Huge fan of augmentation, given how overloaded their kit is though not sure how blizzard would plan to create more support-esque dps classes in the future but i'm down for them to try.
I can understand the issues that Aug evoker brings to the game. But that spec some brought me back to wow. I love bard/support type specs and I think I want to main Aug evoker going forward. Then again I am a pleb who just does normal pug raid and m+.
It’s so hated because it’s to only support spec. Personally I would love to see more support specs only with the caveat that an actual “support role” is made, give us 6 man dungeons
"Ok I gotta survive this extremely scary pull but at the same time I gotta Fear Sigil and I gotta Grip and I gotta Silence and by the time you used all your utility sigils you actually end up being dead." Oh yes brother.
31:00 I like the idea of the procs but it all comes back to the same thing which is that It's annoying as heck to get all the items on alts you want to play. Or if you are an M+ player, to get them even once. Somehow all these OP items show up in the raid and are just never accessible to the M+ player base and it's super frustrating.
40 year old boomer washed up mythic raider here, the aug evoker is the perfect spec for those clinging on to our golden days. We are able to help the team, live thru the content and get cutting edge. I know people hate it for a lot of us old folks its a perfect spec.
I like Aug and its nice to just chill my way through a key. And then go Dev and DPS on other keys. I'm 48 and I get why some people hate it. But most of those reasons are things Blizzard has fix.
Just as an FYI Luminous Barrier is so woefully undertuned that 400% stronger LB is less than a 20% hp absorb shield. In weekly keys itll be nice bc pugs never actually stack in the barrier, but in high keys you will still play barrier 100% of the time. 400% strength LB is basically 2 power word: shields worth of absorb. On a longer CD than mass barrier btw. LB is so undertuned that it was only useful once this entire expansion, on zskarn, due to being unable to stack in a barrier during any of the higher damage moments (due to knockback and/or tactical destruction both forcing the raid out), and even then was arguably not worth just putting the point somewhere else.
For the cheat death trinket bit . Class discords still call you bad if you are using cheat death . But they cover their ass and say unless you are doing rank 1 keys lol.
How long do you think Aug is going to go on existing as it does before they just rework it to be a normal dps? I see either that being the outcome or them adding more support specs through either a new class or reworking other specs such as disc priest
I think most people are average and don't have a deeper understanding of what is or isn't bis for them and it's easier to just trust a guide presumably made by a better player than themselves
Infinate scaling will always present issues. Eventually a wall will occur. And the two ones being not having enough damage to time the key or the mobs doing so much damage they effectively one shot you. Either one can create a god comp, but i do feel it is healthier if you mistime a key because you lacked damage rather than you just died because you didnt stack defensive cooldowns and buffs to survive being one shot. But maybe thats just me
If all tanks get the level of control that current VDH has...5 tank M+ META inc? Glad the doggo is doing well. Hand towel is certainly not something you want to bank on her "pushing" out.
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Dratnos is one of the best podcasters of all time. Literally built to podcast DRATTY
DaddyDratty is the best. Loved him in Titanforge, love him here
nah he's mid
I here for Dratnos. Boo max he loses a race with a head start. Let down the whole country :(
I mean he's nice, but like.. have you *heard* some of the best podcasts out in the world?
He is definetly a podcaster of all time.
Fronk cutting that bit out with Dorki is truly unbelievable. Smh my head
Dorki's '..wait what did you say?' in response was peak comedy
smh head head
Rip in piece
It was a Geneva war crime that they buffed darkness in 5 mans for DH who already brings so much to dungeons but left rally in its nerfed state for raid and 5 mans.
Dh really didn’t bring a huge amount before the rework. Warrior needs a complete rework and long arms and target cap removal for fury.
whenever they buffed it DHs were in a horrible spot to be fair. The changes to player health / enemy damage / healing done in s2 absolutely gutted DH's survivability, since DH's only real claim to being a super hard to kill class before was leech. Not only had that been nerfed this expansion, but it was not buffed in s2 to compensate for the extra health like every other class had their off-healing and survivability buffed. So rot damage or staggered large hits were suddenly an issue. This meant that even on a 20 fort freehold, if you werent immediately topped off by the healer after the first shout, given an external defensive, or had an aug when pulling the double shout dudes you could be killed through blur. Just before s2 they also nerfed Blur to have a 20s longer CD, so now there's fewer uses of your one (coin-flip) personal defensive.
@@zuralani1yeah dh was the worst class in the game b4 the rework. You only brought in raid for the Chaos Brand.
@@hugofreitas6799 yeah it was rough. I mained DH in s3 and 4 of SHADOWLANDS back in the dark times of sinful brand > eye beam > spam chaos strike, repeat for all content for mediocre damage and even i was like "im not playing this for another season if they dont do something." Because this was 10x more effort than my pally or warrior for less damage (or about the same as the war, cant quite remember) and infinitely less survivability in keys. I go into a key on dh, all the problems above. Meanwhile spell reflect go brr.
The thing is, they need to have that many stops from the amount of casts in dungeons this expansion, either all tanks should have that many stops, or they shouldn't have so many casts going off in dungeons, which means that many stops aren't needed
I just wanted the first mail tank in the game, and it could have been soo cool to have a magic dragon tank using black dragon earth magic to defend themselves
.... and what niche would that tank have, that is not currently served by the other 6 tanking classes?
I thought that was pretty clear. The ability to wear mail.@@vincenthamel3420
@@vincenthamel3420 Maybe being able to do it from range? Like surv hunter?
@@vincenthamel3420 Implying a new spec needs to fill a niche is dumb. If we wanted that boring shit we would have like 10 total specs
There isnt a proper caster tank yet@@vincenthamel3420
"Healers have it pretty good" is an insane statement
The GOAT OG tank trinket: Moreos lucky pocket watch. Also thematically superb. For whatever reason a tank can pull out the device to buy time or stop time. As a young tank it was your ace in the hole. For me on my rogue it was my PvP evasion part deux😁
So glad Ella is doing better. Our dog did the same thing with a bottle cap a few weeks ago. He's fully recocered as well. ❤
The last 20 minutes of the podcast are gold. Don't skip them!
I made a Timerunner called Ketchupslurp in honour of the Poddy
I assume the Aug dev guy quit the moment they broke the hooks for the first time because he realised that fixing the hooks would be his job forever.
I know you guys think that talking about raid buff, aug and defensives is bad content but I could listen to it all day.
That moment when dorki says I play with very specific settings and then never says what they are cause the discussion got knocked out of orbit.
Did you find them? Are they linked on his twitch channel?
If you got to his stream and type "!ui" it'll give you the settings.
That dratty bicep reveal should have been a patreon exclusive
That was a $15,000 hand towel. Yikes!
solo Dratnos camera = bad news, confirmed.
Dratnos could solo me 🥵
Season 2 was also the sporecloak. We had a DH refuse to take off his heroic sarc cloak during prog despite dying constantly, he could have put a spore cloak.
always look forward to the PoddyC
we always look forward to lelandwhitehead56
Hope the doggo is doing well in her recovery!
I don't think adding stops to more tanks is much of an issue; the issue is how frequently you have to use them, that should be the tuning point.
On the cheat death trinket topic, thats why paladin tanks were so OP in wotlk and wotlk classic. They just had a built in cheat death passive in their talent tree. In cata they reworked it to be an active ability where you had to predict when you were in danger of dying.
what if like keys stopped scaling at a certain point and key levels higher than that like reduce the total time you have to complete the key. I feel like that would make it less one shotty all the time and incentivize creative routing and pulls
opinion = wrong
@@offed_ what would u do then
The problem is trying to support this game mode in a game which isn't built for it. Notice how they just took the timer AWAY from half the dungeon runners and squished M+ up higher into the gear progression. Timers are cancer for 99% of players. People would much rather progress against hard content raid-style, where they're allowed to fail, and try again.
@@DarkScreamGames idk how it’s even hard at that point taking away the timers.
@@DarkScreamGames like it takes the creativity away from how u pull the dungeons without the pressure of the timer. It’s like people who say remove affixes. Without them there’s no variation to how u play the dungeon it would get boring
Raid buffs should be raid only. Change my mind
I'm not sure if it would help enough, but maybe reduce the power of all raid buffs when not in a raid? still a benefit but not as impactful?
for example, drop the 5% bonuses down to 2%, and the 3% vers down to 1%, something like that. then they're closer tuned to racial bonuses
The problem I have with the cantrip weapons/rings this expansion is that there is no sacrifice of stats (I believe the Sarkareth cloak is the exception), they just have a bonus effect. I think items with bonus effects wouldn't be problematic if they actually had a reduced stat budget, making it an interesting choice instead of just always better.
Moving patreon question to the front actually sounds like a great idea.
I hope they make aug more complex to play, so its not so damn boring to play.
I hate how the only difficulty comes from how good your friends are.
yeah no, thats def not the case.
@@akashaedge1379 I can ensure you it very much is. After just a couple of hours you can master the rotation and then it's only about how good your party members are at using it.
Healers have a harder time dps:ing than Aug
@@AlexanderForsman bold claim for someone that is definetly not playing at a world first level. aug or not. notic i dint say "raid world first" i said plays on that level.
i also can play frost mage or destro lock and be at 90% in a couple of hours.
you also kind of outed yourself. dpsing is easy on every class, what about the 30 different utility spells you get on aug? knocks, saves and group defs? what about rotating the buff on the perfect target at any given point in a raid encounter? yeah there is no way you are even close to master any of this in a couple hours.
@@akashaedge1379 Ar you sure you are answering the correct person? You just said "no" to my statement.
Mastering is more than just knowing the correct buttons to press, its about being able to press them correctly without having to think about it.
As for utility it's not that much. I have more than 30 keybinds when i play mistweaver.
@@AlexanderForsman how did my last answer not directly adress the statement you made? "I hate how the only difficulty comes from how good your friends are."
You guys should add a comment of the week segment from the previous weeks comments. This weeks winner is 100% Poddy C replying to a dratnos compliment with ‘nah he’s mid’
24:18 Season 2 was also the era of sporecloak which most guides suggested.
Firedup only watching Air Bud and Air Bud specifically is the most Firedup thing ever.
I think the WoW convos are just as good as y’all’s banter, the ketchup bit last episode last week was gold,
Just be yourselves
Yeah try the patron question at a different spot, it does usually spark great talks
dratty was definitely out in the sun for like 45 minutes. hes got that gamer skin for sure
I wish they would try more effects caused by different combinations of abilities. Like how shamans can combo a frost shock with an earth shock to trigger a root instead of just a slow, etc
In Season 2 Spore-cloak existed in it's pre-nerfed state and everyone was using it which is why we didn't see as much Sark cloak usage.
You should change the name of the podcast to either “cogi-load” or “delete defensives/buff stamina”
I'm guessing that's a 17 minute sunburn on Dr. Atnos. Half hour tops.
LMAO
every episode should have a dratnos only intro imo
Happy to hear Ella is doing good Max.
My prime sub always goes to Atrocity. That ui deserves every sub
Time to start having player health increase with key level as well as mob health and damage.
Here's an idea to fix the issue of Blood DK's getting-1-shot in High-Keys:
Give Blood DK a new Capstone-level Spec Talent that does something like:
[Will of the Undying: All damage you take is reduced by (~30%-50%), but (~the same percent) of all damage you take applies a Healing-Absorb for 100% of that amount.]
In other words: It would drastically reduce the amount of incoming damage, but the Blood DK would still require just as much Healing as if they had actually taken the damage that was reduced.
The end result is a Net-Neutral change in the amount of HPS the Blood DK requires to survive, but it just spreads out that required HPS without making them infinite-health-Gods.
Edit: I made a Post on the WoW Death Knight Forums going into better detail about the idea. I think my comment will get removed automatically if I link it directly here, but searching for "A Blood DK idea to fix the issue of them getting 1-shot in High-End-Content" should pull up the Post.
Since people seem to like the idea more attention on the Forums couldn't hurt.
It makes little difference to me either way since I haven't played DK since Season 1 and I'm a Paladin Main.
So... Like a revamp on BrM's stagger? I kinda like this, and would REALLY love to see it replace Purg, or maybe Heartrend
@@Twin512bass Yea exactly. I made a WoW Forum Post in the DK Forums going into more detail, and in that post I said:
"Think of it like a cross between Will of the Necropolis and Monk's Stagger".
Which also made me realize that the Talent could replace Will of the Necropolis entirely.
It works both alongside Necropolis, or could completely replace it without skilled DK's losing any survivability.
@@zinkist the potential of this DMG reduction replacing WotN isn't a bad take as well, I'd be okay with that too. Also, side note: I'm hoping the 2 new NYI talents will be an upgrade, bc they both lead to Iron Heart, so for pathing reasons only I hope at least one is worth the spend.
I kinda miss SL M+. Not sure if it had to do with covid, or the dungeons.. or no aug. But it was way funner.
got back into the game at the end of june, hadn't played since legion, but super missed mythic plus dungeons, got my first bullion and cape was one of my worst items so i bought it absolutely not noticing the lack of stam, thankfully someone told me a few days later
Love this podcast and conversation about Evokers.
I do agree Tank has so much coggy load, unironically i like tanking keys but i get exhausted after like 2 keys when i could dps grind for days
Best podcast! Love listening to you guys.
btw, fun to see the frontal cone doggo walking around, hope she is doing well :).
Sark cloak in s2 was crap because we had that craftable cloak that had HUGE defensives... also, luminous barrier shows up on meters and PWbarrier does not.. so i always use luminous
I genuinely think aug would be fine if they just tweaked a few things. First of all they need to fix the logs so everything isn't broken completely for everyone else. That's the number one concern.
Other than that I think they can do many more qol changes like they have begun to do recently. For example, letting you choose 4 set people where your buffs go at the start of each pull. I think that would help the 90% of players.
And third they probably need to add more support specs
This aug thing is gonna be massive for mid level CE augs like me, during early prog of a hard boss youre gonna be able to pay way more attention to the fight and still do decent damage, instead of just figuring out who gets what when.
They discuss problems that probably only the top 0.1% of players have.
All suggested solutions contain interactions that already work on lower keys. If this worked the same way for their key level, you would quickly get over this problem and be faced with the same one-shot problem again in slightly higher keys.
I watch the entire video so it doesn't matter where Patreon quest is
I wore the cloak for about two weeks before realizing it had no stamina lol. It is just one of those things where cloaks always have stamina so it is not a stat I would ever have thought could not exist on one.
Ancestral vigor only applies to the initial target of chain heal IIRC unless they changed it
The glow on major cd is something priest should get too. That would make using PI without a weak aura so much better.
Shout out to Dogs :) Glad your dog is doing better Max!
As much as i like the "dh feels good now cause they feel like they're in control" take, i have to still state i feel like even DH feels a bit iffy to play atm. In SL, i felt like i had ALOT of control as any tank, cause there was enough going on to where one person could deal with everything that was extremely important. The reason other tanks dont feel as in control now compared to DH, is the amount of stuff going on. I think tuning down DH control, and tuning down the amount going on accordingly, and biringing other tanks UP to that same level would be a better state for tanks, than what current DH feels like
If you say that super high-end people don't enjoy minmaxing Aug either, perhaps a solution could be that they would work like a windfury totem - you would just put them in a party with four people and those people would always get buffed. No possibility to buff other people in the raid, even through Prescience. Would make it much closer to the dungeon experience, and entirely remove the spreadsheeting.
I hate aug because they deal 20% more dps than the next highest spec and nobody even knows because they also break every way of tracking damage. I don't even know if Blizzard is aware of how overpowered aug is.
Also "fix log hooks" is not a trivial action. They had log hooks working during Aberrus. They all broke immediately during Amidrassil PTR and have not worked since. Even if they get them working they're just going to break again the next time they make major changes to classes.
The problem with cheat death trinkets is that if you are capable of dying, then a single cheat death is only going to delay that. If you're doing a raid boss, for example, and you need a cheat death trinket to survive, a trinket that usually has a 5-8min "CD" ... that cheat death is either going to pop early and then the next time you need it, its on CD ... or you're not going to need it. It's only useful for when you screw up. The rest of the time it's not doing anything because all its value is on that cheat death effect. It's incredibly rare that there's one moment every 8 minutes of content that you are at risk of dying. You're either always at risk of dying, or never. And if you had a different trinket, you can reduce that risk of dying. The absorb trinket from fyrakk, for example. Huuuuge absorb a 90 sec CD on use effect - entirely controllable. The DOTI trinket is kinda better than average because it also reduces the damage mobs do to you by 20% - assuming they were responsible for killing you, so again, useless for groups, but again, it's on an 8min CD. As soon as its activated, it's literally useless for 8mins. You'd be better off just not being at risk of dying in the first place.
For example... a cheat death trinket 'might' save you from screwing up rashok's tank swap mechanic. Then it's on CD for the rest of the fight. Sure that stops you from wiping that pull, but not if you screw up again or if you just don't screw up in the first place.
All these Dragonflight bosses channeling their Descartes role play
"I think you die, therefore you do"
for blood dk, for example, they could make a skill called blood sap or something, that disorientates for 2 sec, and pulls a little bit of hp from each mob, such that if you need to deathstrike in an aoe pack, you dont get as much hp back in a small pack, but u can realistically use it anyway, for other tanks they could also get some more abilities 1 or 2 max, that jives well with their class, doesnt have to be massive, a little goes a long way if the cd is like 30 sec- a min. the utility doesnt need to be exactly the same, prot warr for example has much better dps than vdh, it doesnt need to catch up completely to be viable at the same key level. and all of this would also be solved by more of the dungeon not being as sensitive to aoe stops, by means i touch upon a little bit bellow.
I absolutely agree that everything one-shotting you is incredibly annoying in M+, but I also remember when the timer was the real boss and people would just leave after a single wipe and I fucking hated that so much more. Especially when I just wanted to get my weekly chest ready and you would do like three dungeons that people refused to finish and after two hours you were exactly no closer to having your vault ready.
Im actually surprised at how many people play Vakash at the high end. We really don't play that much this season and were just getting into one-shot territory and my SP has already killed himself with it twice
Give us more patreon questions! (if you have more to pull from) - Maybe one at the start or half way through, and then one at the end like normal
Keep it real boys! Love to hear the yaping
26:00 I didn't realize Sark cloak had no stamina until I heard you guys talk about it. I just assumed Blizzard wouldn't be stupid enough to make a "very rare" item literally worse than a regular cloak. None of the other "very rare" items work like that. The Nymue staff doesn't have any less stats than a regular staff, it has a bonus active effect.
By the way, having rare items be on the bullion vendor at the same price as other items is pretty dumb aswell.
I'll take my chances with the cloak as a Frost DK, but on like a Shaman I'd not want to risk it.
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Fronk is clearly the one with the power, he just allows them to believe they are in control. ;)
I'm here cuz I enjoy you three yapping, if you yapped about remix again... I'd still listen.
You mentioned subs and then I subbed on youtube, it's good to remind people
I hear all your saying about the cloak... but my raidbots says +4k dps so IM USING IT.
Huge fan of augmentation, given how overloaded their kit is though not sure how blizzard would plan to create more support-esque dps classes in the future but i'm down for them to try.
I can understand the issues that Aug evoker brings to the game. But that spec some brought me back to wow. I love bard/support type specs and I think I want to main Aug evoker going forward. Then again I am a pleb who just does normal pug raid and m+.
Yes to Bard!
It’s so hated because it’s to only support spec. Personally I would love to see more support specs only with the caveat that an actual “support role” is made, give us 6 man dungeons
"Ok I gotta survive this extremely scary pull but at the same time I gotta Fear Sigil and I gotta Grip and I gotta Silence and by the time you used all your utility sigils you actually end up being dead." Oh yes brother.
I think it’s less evoker hate and more a meta that has required them in the highest levels of content to a certain extent.
31:00 I like the idea of the procs but it all comes back to the same thing which is that It's annoying as heck to get all the items on alts you want to play. Or if you are an M+ player, to get them even once. Somehow all these OP items show up in the raid and are just never accessible to the M+ player base and it's super frustrating.
40 year old boomer washed up mythic raider here, the aug evoker is the perfect spec for those clinging on to our golden days. We are able to help the team, live thru the content and get cutting edge. I know people hate it for a lot of us old folks its a perfect spec.
I’m old and washed and I hate Aug for this exact reason
I like Aug and its nice to just chill my way through a key. And then go Dev and DPS on other keys. I'm 48 and I get why some people hate it. But most of those reasons are things Blizzard has fix.
So all Aug evoker are boomers. Heard.
1:14:32 Did people become ok with ads or did they just stop watching? Because i just don’t watch on Twitch anymore.
poddy titled Why is Aug hated and there's 30 mins of 3 streamers talking about how to make more money, good stuff
Just as an FYI Luminous Barrier is so woefully undertuned that 400% stronger LB is less than a 20% hp absorb shield. In weekly keys itll be nice bc pugs never actually stack in the barrier, but in high keys you will still play barrier 100% of the time. 400% strength LB is basically 2 power word: shields worth of absorb. On a longer CD than mass barrier btw.
LB is so undertuned that it was only useful once this entire expansion, on zskarn, due to being unable to stack in a barrier during any of the higher damage moments (due to knockback and/or tactical destruction both forcing the raid out), and even then was arguably not worth just putting the point somewhere else.
Is this video in 4k or did my Graphics card get an update?
Dratnos looking sweet in High-res!
For the cheat death trinket bit . Class discords still call you bad if you are using cheat death . But they cover their ass and say unless you are doing rank 1 keys lol.
How long do you think Aug is going to go on existing as it does before they just rework it to be a normal dps? I see either that being the outcome or them adding more support specs through either a new class or reworking other specs such as disc priest
@Dratnos Looking sharp my dude! 💪
Been saying for years: some amount of the damage scaling should be turned into a healing % reduction. One shots are out of control.
Actually didn’t lie, the episode popped off at the end
Amazing intro
Since you said it wasn't a long time but did still mention hours. I'm guessing it was 1 hour to 1.5 hour sunburn??
You forgot to mention that people wear those boots AND THE CLOAK for like an insane amount of HP loss
You should definitely wear the cloak if you aren't pushing super high keys or mythic raiding.
I think most people are average and don't have a deeper understanding of what is or isn't bis for them and it's easier to just trust a guide presumably made by a better player than themselves
Infinate scaling will always present issues. Eventually a wall will occur. And the two ones being not having enough damage to time the key or the mobs doing so much damage they effectively one shot you. Either one can create a god comp, but i do feel it is healthier if you mistime a key because you lacked damage rather than you just died because you didnt stack defensive cooldowns and buffs to survive being one shot. But maybe thats just me
as an aug I love the spreadsheeting
If all tanks get the level of control that current VDH has...5 tank M+ META inc?
Glad the doggo is doing well. Hand towel is certainly not something you want to bank on her "pushing" out.
It's lowkey sorta sad seeing the sick pupper having a hard time in the background :,(
Warriors should get inspiring presence back from Legion which gave everyone 3% healing for damage dealt.
Make Ebon Might and Prescience restricted to party members and you basically solve Augmentation M+/Raid disconnect
ty for talkin about the Sark cloak, the idiot DPS in my guild LOVE that thing. :))