WING CHUN FOOTWORK: The 4 Reasons Why We SHIFT
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Discover the 4 reasons why we shift in Wing Chun Kung Fu.
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I was brought here by Leroy Smith of Tekken 7
My brother from another mother.
Do you play Tekken 7 on PS4?
I used to love playing Tekken a long long time ago. Haven't played video games in years. But I'm definitely going to give it a go during the holidays.
This is quite different from the reasons that I was taught. I'd like to think that what I was taught is more effective but we'd have to touch hands politely to be sure, one day.
If you have better reasons, I'd like to hear them, if you care to share. I'm open to new ideas.
@@GaryMaWingChun it's hard to explain without being in-person to share. Please do not see this as me poo-pooing you (see how much chest bumping there is on the Wing Chun forums lol). I'll try to put it in words but I know that they'll fall short. My comment also helps your channel visibility on the algorithm (your explanations are still one of the better ones on youtube!)
1- jun ma collapses into toi ma naturally when too much force is applied (the hidden step in Wing Chun). Note that, for this to work, my lineage pivot on the heels.
2- there are two steps associated with the Bong Sau- one that steps forward win the same leg (similar to Lan Sau) as an offensive smother, and a triangle step that is used to redirect an attack to make an opening (It looks like a "backward step" for what you demonstrate at 1:24). This can be explored in Dan Chi Sau with stepping.
3 - For dan chi sau with stepping, for us Tan Sau corresponds to the forward foot, and Fook Sau to the rear foot (2:15).
4- there is a shuffle step and long step going forwards and backwards, following the rule closest limb to closest target. Similar to the game "Tekken", and accounting for Jun Ma, I call this the "8 way walk".
5- Jiu Ma can be used to "circle cut" an opponent and interrupt their attack, particularly round punches. For countering round attacks, we step towards the opponent's shoulder, and use our elbows as "iron sights" as per Chaam Qiu; this is tied strongly to footwork and facing. This corresponds with generating power using Jiu Lik that you mention.
6 - We use Toi Ma to shift (2:20) and it's stimulated by using a Fook Sau punch aiming at the solar plexus against the opponent's incoming attack. If there is a backward step, the Toi Ma corresponds with the same hand as Fook Sau, forming a strong kinetic chain. If the opponent isn't strong enough to shift us, they walk into Jun Ma instead (see point 1)
7- We never open with a Bong Sau or Quan Sau except when surprised (as per Cham Qiu). For us Bong Sau happens because the opponent makes us do it, not because we choose it, and it's always the last choice. We always attack first as a preference (even as a counter to Laap Sau).
8- I'm nitpicking now to say that a shallower step with Fook Sau punch is preferred at 3:00. I have seen people open with Quan Sau however to try to farm the opponent into a trapped position.
9- If you have to take more than 3 steps back continuously in any encounter, you should probably run because the opponent will overwhelm you.
My lineage is WSL. I've taken classes from John Smith and David Peterson; my views are my own based on what they taught me.
Thanks for actually trying to explain your point of view. It's not easy to put what we do solely into words. I spend exactly zero minutes on WC forums for the aforementioned reason, but I know what you mean. Seen it enough times in real life. I don't think Yip Man would be happy about his grand-students and great-grand-students bickering away at each other. The time would be better spent doing virtually anything else.
@@GaryMaWingChun sorry if my words were just salad... i miss touching hands with my brothers given all the lockdowns. Its a shame we live on opposite sides of the world too, Im in Australia. My closest brother in Canada is Dwight Hennings in Toronto.
As for Yip Man apparently HK was wild in the 50s and 60s, lots of challenge matches and dojo storms. A few of those stories are passed down in my school. More likely keyboard warriors would have been looked down on as all bark, no bite.
Does the third section of your 1st form have Jam Sau or Gan Sau?
Yeah, it's been horrible what's been going in our respective countries for the past two years. My heart goes out to you guys.
After Tan Sau, Gan Sau for us.
Just a random question. Why is the idea that Wing Chun doesn't use the hip so wide spread? I've heard it from non Wing Chun practitioners and even Wing Chun practitioners themselves.
Hi BlueFang714, to be honest, I've never really been exposed to these sorts of statements, so I wouldn't be able to answer for them... maybe because non-practitioners who say this only see videos that are targeted towards beginners, and maybe practitioners who say this have not studied Chum Kiu yet...
Or, maybe because people are used to seeing waist power (twisting of the abdomen) and call it hip power... What I call hip power is really an extension of the muscles of the front of the hips which is really caused by a contraction of the gluteus... So maybe I should start calling it glute power... :D
@@GaryMaWingChun When it came to no hip movement from a practitioner all I could think was that Chum Kiu went greatly over their heads or they never even saw it, kind of similar to what you said. Although I'm surprised you've never seen the statements before.
From what I've seen of your videos what you mean by hip power I would say is what most people would mean. It's a movement of the pelvis, but that movements is caused by the legs creating a bit of a twist to direct energy or weight.
Waist power I've seen several variations I think. Some use it as an isolated movement, and others use it as a combination of everything moving and keeping hip and shoulders in alignment while getting power from the legs, which is what I think you would get if you have a well refined hip power anyways.
Most of the sensation of contraction does feel like it'd be in the glutes though.
When you use the hips, for high power hits do you move it in a similar manner as how you would throw a ball but in a manner that doesn't off balance or uproot you? Or do you treat it more like a push?
I've heard others say that the punch is the same as a fast push, but that goes against my personal understanding of the human body and force generation.
I think all movements should involve the entire kinetic chain... eventually. But, I also think isolation movements are great for practice and learning. These are two very general statements that can be applied most of the time.
The movements of the limbs and joints and how they affect each other will differ slightly depending on the position of the feet.
Definitely NOT pushing.
@@GaryMaWingChun I'd say we pretty much agree entirely then. Kind of like how any deflection you train it isolated so that you understand the individual motion, but you'll be using it as part of a full body motion in application.
And since you used the term kinetic chain I think it's probably safe to assume that your idea of power and mine are pretty close if not the same.
Thanks for taking the time to reply to me by the way.
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