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- The Pittsburgh Steelers lost to the New England Patriots 21-18 on Thursday, and the Steelers sit at 7-6. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, James Jones, and LeSean McCoy discuss whether or not the Mike Tomlin era is coming to an end in Pittsburgh.
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Y'all outta pocket for the Mike Tomlinson take. Disrespect at the highest
Speak is a bunch of PROPAGANDISTS, ASH KISSERS WHO IS BIASED ON THEIR TAKES!!!😂
17 years no losing record, but when looking further into those numbers, the POST SEASON where it matters most. Tomlin and his Steelers are 3 - 6 in their last 10 seasons in the playoffs, with their last win coming in 2017. The Nfl is a what have you done for me lately league
Last time I checked you need to do good/great in the regular season to even have a chance in the post season lol
*3-7
And Tomlin hasn't done much for me in the last decade
I know Steelers fan aren't giving him a pass right now
Steelers fans starting asking this question 5-10 years ago.
Ravens ain’t giving y’all a pass either. Ravens fans are enjoying every minute of squealer fan’s frustration. So keep crying 😢😢😢😢
I am....can't do good all the time
@@357saytell the ravens kiss my arse
@@357say2 rings 😂😂😂😂
The Steelers blue collar culture of going 8-8 and getting eliminated in the first round has sort of gotten tiring, they need a new thought process, new guys picking draft selections, they need new blood, its not a dig at Coach Tomlin, he's been solid for that franchise more than any other coach has at times so hey. They gotta make big changes behind the scenes.
I don’t see what Tomlin is special at. Bills main thing is he takes away your main guy and forces you to look for your second and third option. Pete Carrol is great with young talent in the league. Tomlin is a H.O.F. Coach but I just don’t know what area other than being a leader of men he is good at
THEY NEED BETTER PLAYERS NOT A COACH . TOMLIN HAS A 17 YEAR WINNING RECORD WITH ONLY A FEW GREAT PLAYERS.
That's on him and he hasn't just had a few, all of his successful years came with the leftovers of cowhers players and coaching staff, Mike T has developed some decent talents over the year himself but he's been horrid with his coaching staff decisions
Consider this teams have ebbs and flows they don’t win all of the time consider that you might be tomato can as currently constructed if you didn’t have Tomlin because he never loses he makes even your worse rosters and problems look ar least decent which has maybe skewed your expectations.
You don’t need a new coach you need a franchise qb
He had prime Ben ab and bell never made a superbowl that’s all I need to know
Belichick won 6 rings and their fans had enough of him. The greatest coach ever. What makes Tomlin special. This whole not having a losing season is getting old.
That was Tom not Bill. And trust I don't even like Tom
@@dariusportley5756if it was all Tom then why did he lost 3 Superbowls 2 against the Giants and 1 with the Eagles
@@williamnieto6557Them losing them superbowls still doesn’t change the fact that it was Tom that made Bill look like a genius. What has Bill done post Tom Brady and what did Tom do when he left Bill?
@@dariusportley5756it was both of them. Cant dismiss belicheck like he didnt help teach brady how to read nfl defenses and anylyze film.
@@mths7
3 of those Super Bowls were won by the foot of Adam Viniteri and the 4th win was by Seattle throwing an interception that lost the game for them.
Tom Brady is still the goat but without those patriot defenses there wouldn’t be 6 championships!!!
Tomlin does enough every year to make you believe next year will be better. He has been doing this for almost a decade now with the same disappointing ending.
Love Tomlin but people rave about his no losing season without bringing up he is 8-9 in playoffs and hasn’t won a playoff game since 2017.
Who's disappointed everybody knew they wasn't a playoff threat
@@javarzshinall9396man shut up they were superbowl contenders multiple times and he did nothing lmao
3 playoff wins in 10 years said alot.
100% correct. Tomlin is overrated and a fraud. He's extremely fortunate to play under an ownership group that refuses to fire the head coach and doesn't grasp the new offensive-minded NFL culture. They think defense and running the ball win Super Bowls; they don't anymore.
@@supercrash804
Imagine ripping Saleh in one segment but walking it back because that logic also applies to Tomlin. Joy, you better than that
Go back and watch her rodgers and Dak takes she learned everything from Cowherd and talks just like him
“I’m used to the Steelers competing for Super Bowls”… They made it to one conference championship game in the last 13 years…
You’re spoiled
They're tied for second with 6 so that statement is true.
Sounds like overhyped Bills in todays era 😅
7 years with no playoff wins at all let alone making the CC
Stuck in mediocricy
In Cowher's 15 seasons as coach, the Steelers won eight division titles, made the playoffs 10 times during which they participated in 21 playoff games. Those 21 playoff games included six appearances in AFC Championship Games and two trips to the Super Bowl, in which the Steelers were 1-1
Yea of the 6 AFC championships games 4 was lost at home unacceptable
@@webbdude9443 yup
@@ronkali5365. Cowher had C level QB’s in those years
@@steelphantom9105 Still you can't lose 4 AFC championship games at home
@@ronkali5365yeah but this idiot doing without Bill cowards players come on bro you can't even put it in the context does Bill cowards players have all but retired in the 2011 12 season what has Mike Tomlin done 8 and 8 that's a mark of a good black coach 8and 8
The problem is coaching, as a die hard Steelers fan. This is all falling on Tomlin. He can’t hire competent assistants and he can’t develop anything offensively. Either hire coordinators who will challenge u or get fired….
Sometimes it’s time for a change. Simple as that.
Just like with new england. Bill is too old for a rebuild because all he is coaching for now is shula's record and to win a super bowl without tom. He can go to another team hopefully a contender and have a good qb to start fresh with. And then the patriots can rebuild and get some fresh young blood in there. You are on point.
Right. You can't fix what no longer works.
At QB not coach lol
@@9doggie12 Mike Tomlin's spirit animal Marty Schottenheimer was fired after going 14-2. Sometimes, it is just time.
@@mc1993 because the roster was loaded lol this one is not. You think someone else could win a superbowl with Mitchel Trubisky
If this was this same situation for their cross state rival Eagles, they would've fired Tomlin a decade ago like when they fired the great Andy Reid because it was time to start over. I think it may be time for the Steelers to start over even though i think Tomlin is a great coach and i would find it difficult to let him go. It would only be right to have him resign preserving and acknowledging his accomplishments for the steady Steelers over his coaching career.
Trade him to the Bears foe a first and second round pick and draft a new quarterback and a top corner
They're speaking about Tomlin as if he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. He's been amazing for the Steelers but RIGHT NOW he's failing. His staff is failing, the offense is failing, they can't score, they can't scheme, they can't move the ball. These are all things that have been happening since that fake 11-0 season where they got blown out by the Browns and Baker Mayfield. He was great but he's been struggling for a few years now and Acho has merit in saying Tomlin isn't top 5 right now which offends the entire table lol. Joy and James bring up what Tomlin has accomplished like that has any bearing on these past few seasons. Bill Belichick is the most successful coach ever, has the most everything as it pertains to winning and achievements and yet NE wants him out, all of sports media wants him out... but he's the winningest coach in football period. I say all that to say WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST DOESN'T MATTER WHEN LOSING AND BEING BAD IS NOW THE TREND WITH NO UPSIDE IN SIGHT.
Get a new GM
Mike tomlin has been with the steelers going on 17 years. He has won a playoff game in 4 of them. He needs to go!
It's crazy. They just love to give the guy a pass. And his side of the ball doesn't always ball. Last yr they were ranked dead last vs the run. That's the exact opposite of what steelers defenses have done historically. Great coaches can expire. He has expired
We live in a World now, where losing to Bellichek puts you on the hot seat
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Crazy right
No. It's not winning a playoff game in 7 years.
You watched the game last night? If it wasn't for the two shorts fields that defense gave us we only really scored 3 points. So thats now the standard?
@@alexh7064 totally agree. Overall coaching career, Tomlin has been great. But with an organization like the Steelers, its all about more than getting to the playoffs. It's winning chips. So not having won a playoff game in 7 years? I can see why people would say he is on the hot seat.
He's 24-23-1 when Ben doesn't play
Joy “I’m with Shady” Taylor looks at Shady for confirmation every half second.
That sh** gets annoying
She do that a lot but they do agree a lot bc this show be asking some crazy questions 🤣
Dude piping that’s why, cus shady be mad bias and she agrees
😂😂
@Jvnior_20 if she give up the coochie and all I gotta do is agree? Sign me up! 😂
To this day, I never understood why many people say he's good in recent years and because hes never had a losing season.
If you dont make it to the Super Bowl, how is that a winning season?
I'm a Ravens fan and I always go back to what the legend Tony Siragusa said on Hard Knocks "if we don't win the Super Bowl, this year's a failure"
Yes. I believe a "winning season" is getting far in the playoffs. As long as you're getting to the Championship Game, something is happening.
But average winning seasons just isn't enough.
@@VonAllenSportsexactly, simple as that too!
Everyone can't win the Super Bowl in the same year. He's successful and one of the top 5 greatest coaches every.
the reason this is dumb, is the very question, you won't ask
who is this super talented team he's supposed or win with?
has he been outcoached in a game or has his players been outplayed?
@@MrGoddliewho is saying that? All I'm saying, if you don't win a Super Bowl, how is that winning? I'm not discrediting the man's success but that only carries so much weight.
Andy Reid the reason the eagles and chiefs have a strong fan base.
Owners as well, for the Eagles and Chiefs.. Strong organizations..
The Eagles had a strong fanbase way before Andy Reid showed up, all due respect to the big fella.
Lmfao KC was a good team and had a fan base before Andy. Shady clearly just say anything
Lol chiefs wasn't winning nothing until they got a too QB in Patrick Mahomes
Exactly, the Eagles fan base is the best in the league!! And it's been strong since day one!!
At what point is it gonna be more than having no losing seasons bc they look absolutely horrible
Hes only the 3rd coach in Steelers HISTORY!!. THEY DON'T GET RID OF COACHES
@@FaceFamous Uh, Steelers history goes back to 1933. I think you mean in the last 55 years.
@@FaceFamous So what you are saying is the Steelers Organization/Rooney's have an ability to hire HOF head coaches....who was Tomlin before they picked him? Cowher? Noll?
His side of the ball which is defense has had 30-40+ points scored on them the last 4 playoff games they were in and lost.
Exactly
Tomlin should have been released or fired. It doesn’t matter just gone !!
Quit trying to point out stats to these National retards with their Tomlin blinders
As a Ravens fan, I actually do like Mike Tomlin. He’s a likable guy and look he’s never had a losing season so bad seasons are not something you’ll see out of them. However, not only haven’t they won a playoff game in seven years but they’re 3-6 in the playoffs since their last SB appearance. I don’t think the Steelers should just accept not having a losing season so I mean see how the season finishes out but if they’re out of the playoffs or make it but don’t win a game I don’t see why he should stay. I’ll be fair too, I feel if Harbaugh makes it to the playoffs but they don’t win a playoff game or get past the divisional round, I’d be fine with moving on from him too.
How is Bill Belechick looking without his QB?
@@odibua9107 The Pats aren't a QB away, the Steelers have a top 5 defense and a top 5(10 in some people mind) coach. The offense is good enough, the issue is he can't do anything for the offense. I'm a Steelers fan btw.
Thanks bud. I always said Tomlin was a great AFC North coach, and he is. The problem is the rest of the league isnt the AFC North.
@@enigma13ffTop 5 defense?
@odibua9107 Who's responsible for trash cans like Rudolph and Trubisky being on the roster?
Ben was not awful... He had the 32nd ranked oline, a rookie RB, rookie TE, and 1 WR, he still had 8 4th QTR comebacks and 24/10 TD int ratio.
Stop it you watch the tape Ben was awful yall love them numbers but not the tape
These guys have been brainwashed by Tomlinisms for years
Ben was terrible, he couldn’t even throw more than 40 yards and he had no zip on the ball😂😂
3 playoff wins in 10 years is pretty mediocre for the Steelers.
@@tommyjr.9298 Ben didn't have the time in the pocket to throw down the field. He had the worst offensive line in his career after he came back from elbow surgery. They couldn't run or pass block and the offense was so predictable, they won because of Ben especially when he'd go no huddle and call his own plays. That's why he lead the league in 4th qtr comebacks - check the stats
Everyone like to point out that Jon Gruden won with Tony Dungy’s team. Well Mike Tomlin won with Bill Cowhers team
Three seasons later it was still Cowher's team?
@@SlugSagetomlins first year 07. The year they won 08.
You have to remember Andy Reids last year at Philadelphia his son past away so it was rough on him
8-8 should not classify as a winning season. That is the definition of MID.
Jeff Fisher special
The last 10 season have been trash. Getting blown out in the last 3 playoff appearances is ridiculous. Tomlin should have been run off 5 years ago. While the Steelers had Big Ben. And a chance !!!
@@ihatetheantichrist9545what have the Titans done since Fisher left?
8-8 doesnt qualify as a winning season.
@@MrAllenVII if that’s the case then, Mike Tomlin’s winning season streak should’ve ended in 2012, 2013, or 2019.
They need to bring Byron Leftwich in as the OCand let him work with Pickett. He will turn him around and make him a great QB.
Leftwich played in and runs a west coast offense. That doesn't mesh with the Steelers' Erhardt-Perkins 'everything is based on the run' scheme.
@@mc1993the Steelers need to change the system
@@perryellis1423 Who do you think makes that decision? Hint: who hired Tomlin?
Haven’t heard this yet. And I like it
Ive never seen a guy like Mike Tomlin get so much leighway. He won one super bowl off the hardwork of bill cowher and has never been able to replicate it. They lose every year with sometimes very high expectations.
The whole "never finished with a losing record" is only relevant if you actually have success in the post season more often than not.
I feel like that comment is also made by the same people who say Deion took over a 1 won team, ommited the fact he has all new players
I used to love this show mike Tomlin doesn’t get a pass. Considering how much they love to hate on Bill for bad coaching decisions. Mike Tomlin hasn’t made the best decisions either but he gets a pass. This energy is so off I can’t anymore
Hating on belichick gets you clicks
Good point they both deserve passes imo
The panel has an obvious bias towards black coaches and black QBs in general. They will get the pass no matter because all that matters to them is the color of the skin.
He's not getting a pass. It would be ridiculous for people to say end of an Era for a coach who still has a winning record and a second year quarterback. The quarterback is not the answer.
@@Mister3Pac The sad thing is I want to get into this field but it seems like you have to be fake to make it and follow the agenda. I’m not wired like that
I think Tomlin is great, but again, if you're a defensive guy, you BETTER have a spectacular OC by your side.
Why is he great?
That part
One of the best ever. However, as a Cincy fan, keep in mind that for years the Steelers had gifted 3 or 4 wins by going up against the Bengals and the Browns twice a year. 🤔
Lmao comparing bill to Tomlin is hilarious. Different class these guys are clowns
without brady BILL is TRASHHHHH lol tomlin would do better with that team
@@workandreelfilmsNo he wouldn’t 😂
When you set a record for being the coach of the only team …to lose at home ….in back to back games ….to teams with double digit losses …….. It’s time to go. The game has passed you by.
But didn't you hear slappy say "Players love to play for Mike Tomlin?"
ZAC TAYLOR WAS ABOUT TO GET FIRED BEFORE JOE BURROW FELL INTO THEIR LAP. This is comical
Burrow and Pickett are essentially the same guy. Zacs McVay esque scheme is the reason for those Burrow stats as we saw it with Browning
This is how I feel about he Ravens fanbase wanting John Harbaugh gone because we haven’t seen a divisional championship in a decade. But don’t understand how hard a good coach is to come by. Tomlin and Harbaugh days may be numbered just because every era has to end but not yet.
The rooney family kept big ben too long. They should have had a quality qb waited in the wings
They also forget when Tomlin had the three Bs and the defense was the weak side of the ball for 4-5 straight years. And as a Pittsburgh fan the whole no losing season thing is over blown. They were barely over 500 so pretty much celebrating 500 seasons is the standard in Pitt now. Tomlin also had LeBeau on his Superbowl run who had built that defense. Now for these explayers acting like it's crazy to even question Tomlins security as head coach would they have been happy to have never had a losing season their whole career even if they were 1 game over 500. I'm sure it would've worn on them
I said this already, but people always say Tomlin is a defensive head coach when most defensive head coaches are special at something. Every year even when the team was bad Bill always knew how to take away main targets on the team. Even with young guys he will neutralize your #1 target. Vrabel does the same and forces you to beat them from the trenches. Pete Carroll brought pressure forcing you to get the ball out fast. With Tomlin his playmakers made up for the lack in defense. His safeties are always getting burnt over the top besides Minkah. Out side of TJ Watt and Heyward they struggle to get pressure on the other side. Yes Pittsburgh does need better players on the team, but I just don’t see anything special with their defense.
It's time for a coaching change. Tomlin's attitude at coaching is like someone who is just coasting by because he knows his job is safe no matter what he does. He never does anything to push the players to be better than what they are and so much talent has been allowed to be lackluster and leave the building.
I feel the same!! He has absolutely no drive. At all. None if you know your job is safe no matter what, you're going to become complacent.
He doesn't have the drive that's necessary to amp a team up.
He's become WAY too comfortable with mediocrity.
You can only say that if you are at the practices and behind the scenes , steeler fans should realize y'all luck to have a coach like that. Constantly losing divas to free agency and still delivery a quality product
As a 46 year member of SteelerNation, it’s way past “coming to an end” 5 years ago. It’s long been over. Period.
When you have as much success as the Steelers under Tomlin you don't get premium draft picks and that eventually catches up with you. The 49ers have been fortunate to be good teams that have had bad years due to injury and continue to get premium picks that they salvage for value or pick the best players available.
Tomlin isn't the issue. If he had a losing season his rebound would be legendary if they ever got a top 10 pick.
3 playoffs wins in 3 years sure that's legendary 🤣
Man plz, tomlin had talent and still couldn’t win playoff games lmao
Tomlin is always getting a pass.
Why
@@sidneyhill7064Because he’s black
Shady’s thoughts on Andy Reid is probably my favorite take he’s ever had. The eagles are lucky to have survived the Chip Kelly disaster. Andy Reid identified Patrick Mahomes, and now they get to run the AFC for the next decade
Not running anything with the Ravens here.
I am a believer that Tomlin can keep a great team great until the players start leaving like early in his Steeler reign. He can keep an average team average. He can bring a bad team up to average. But he can't elevate an average team to great. And remaining average means you never get those top draft picks that can make a difference. Remember that the great Steelers of the 70's started by being the worst in the leagure two years in a row and they drafted Joe Green and Terry Bradshaw. Tomlin and the Steelers BOTH need a change of scenery.
Did he just say Tomlin might be the best defensive coach ever? Am I missing something?
Tomlin’s defenses historically have been bad
That's still Bill Belichick
@@jctslice that’s what I’m saying.
I dont get why ppl are afraid to say tomlin should be fired. He has barely won anything since they lost super bowl 45. He gets crushed by bellicheck, and the only defense of him the media has is he has 0 losing seasons like that means something other than mediocrity is the norm. They give the media darlings passes and new or grumpy coaches get killed for the same exact outcomes.
I know the reason…
In Mike Tomlin's last 3 playoff games, the opposing teams have averaged over 40 ppg. And before you ask... yes they played Mahomes one of those games. The other two games were against Blake Bortles and Baker Mayfield. The team came out flat in most of those games, clearly unprepared. Man, he's such a great defensive mind though! He's definitely not the problem!
Baker Mayfield and a browns offense missing their HC/playcaller. But James and Joy said Mike T always has the defense ready to play 😂😂
@@getsomemoney2433the defense is never ready to play. Minkah and TJ fill a lot of wholes in that defense it’s great they got another stud in porter JR., but even in Tomlins hay days one side of the field was always open.
The hypocrisy between them discussing Mike Tomlin and Bill Belicheck is insane
170-99-2 career record. Would LOVE to have Mike Tomlin in the Silver and Black. Never had a losing season as a head coach. Pump the breaks Steeler fans. You got it great. You have no quarterback and still have a winning record. Hella of a coach. Would take him in a hot second.
How long has Tomlin been there? Wow! 17 years and 179 wins. Stellar career. Hats off to Mike Tomlin!
15 years.. only the 3rd coach in Steelers history.
Chuck knoll 4 rings
Bill Cower 1 ring
Mike Tomlin 1 ring
He is a standard of mediocrity
Yup, he won a title with Cowher's leftovers.
Seriously?
@@randy1817and a top 5 QB. Which Cowher never had. Big Ben couldn't process well post snap until around 2007. He kinda stunk before 2007. Then he figured it out mentally.
Steelers need a real QB that can get the ball to the WR, they need to move up in this draft for 1 of the top 2 QBs
Agreed or trade away the farm for a veteran. Pickett is a backup.
Frfr I literally just made same comment ,no QB no rings no playoffs
Malik Willis&Kenny Pickett was the 2 choices. They should have ran with Mitch and got a qb the follow yr.
Which would have been CJ Stroud or Anthony Richardson
Steelers need to hire a quality NFL coordinator instead of the garbage that taught Pickett. Who hired that trash?
Great. Now where’s the O line for this great QB? This head coach has had 15 years, and still, we have garbage for a O line. Sickening
He's the Marvin Lewis of this generation. Time to move along. Marvin Lewis was a good coach. Players loved him, but the post-season was a wasteland. Coach Tomlin has no coaching tree. None of his assistants EVER go on to bigger and better things. Tomlin refuses to bring in an OC that will threaten his position.
Imagine thinking the chiefs werent good before Andy Reid 😂😂😂😂
Decent at best
Proof is in the pudding. 14 years prior to Ried, only 3 years with double digit winning seasons, and only 3 playoff appearances with 0 wins. 6 years prior only 1 year with a winning record with two 2 win, two 4 win, one 7 win seasons.
IF THEY TOMLIN GO!!! He won’t be on the market but 2 days!!!!!!!!!!!! He’s that influential.
I’m guessing the Steelers could trade him for a long snapper😂
Good. Let him go somewhere else and make positive changes. Andy Reid had to leave Philly, sometimes you gotta move on.
@@grantorino7644 a page right out of belichik playbook.
They can have him
They keep saying 17 seasons without a losing season but if you were a player on that team and you finished 500 you would consider that a losing season in fact, every year we didn’t make the playoffs. I would consider that a losing season now technically no he hasn’t had a losing season but as a player, he 100% has had losing seasons.
For some reason they have a huge bias for Tomlin, wonder why? 🤔
They already saying Belichick is on the hot seat & he’s the goat!
Their intellectual dishonesty not only cheapens their argument but it cheapens them as “journalists”
They say Tomlins resume speaks for itself because he never had a losing season and won a Super Bowl in his tenure. Bill won 4 years ago and is about to get ran after this season. For one reason being the coaches he has hired. Funny enough the main thing people talk about Pittsburgh is their coordinators who Tomlin hired or elevated from the organization. Yes they win 9-8 games and make the playoffs, but they haven’t been a real contender since those Troy Polomalu and James Harrison days
Have you not watched them play? They're undisciplined as they have ever been right now
Tomlin has kept this team winning no matter what hand he is dealt. Yes, he did move too slow getting a good backup for Roethlisberger. But If Tomlin leaves, will the Steelers get better or worse? Worse... Defense, skilled position drafting, development, playing until the last whistle. It all goes away. All we need is a quarterback and a good offensive coordinator. Tomlin has held it down for 17years.
As a ravens fan. I gotta say. I think the point being proven. Is that it is no longer a coaching problem. It’s become a GM problem. It’s a drafting problem. It’s a scouts problem. Keep Tomlin. Get new executives.
Tomlin has full control over the roster and personnel
It’s only a QB problem.
Lamar is proof that ravens got his contract right by keeping him.
@@jesseharrison2873exactly
The former Gm Colbert signed all 3 of those trash quarterbacks and than retired
@reezee412 Tomlin was involved in drafting two of them. Please plenty of blame goes around. Don't absolve Tomlin of not having a say what players he wants. That's a poor excuse.
The biggest problem is that Big Ben overstayed his welcome by a year probably two and the Steelers didn’t push him out of the door because it’s Big Ben. Then they draft picket in 2022 in the first round as the 20th overall pick!! He was the first quarterback selected. AT pick 20! That speaks volumes on how there wasn’t a standout at that position that year. When you win every year you don’t have the opportunity to draft a good player high.
They never had a backup plan for Ben they just wanted to ride it out and see what happens. Then they took a QB in a non-qb draft
Brock Purdy , Sam Howell…
But to your point, why was their pick wasted on a QB in a bad QB draft .. should’ve leveraged that pick to get a solid QB already in the league
There’s no question that Mike Tomlin is a good coach but I do believe his time is coming to an end in Pittsburgh. The fact that year after year they have multiple games where they play down to competition and get embarrassed by mediocre teams, that falls back on coaching. The offense has not been good and has been ranked at the bottom of the league 4 out of the last 5 years. Yes Matt Canada was calling bad plays but Tomlin allowed it for 3 years. Terrible draft selections which i’m sure Tomlin has input with as well. Yes he has never had a losing season in 17 years but at the same time he has never had a losing season which means this team is never going to have a high draft pick. We all can ooo and ahh at never having a losing season for that long but going .500 year after year is not acceptable. Realistically this team hasn’t been good since 2017 so I think they should go a different direction.
He's not a good coach. He's a fortunate one.
Coach Cowher coached 2 less years than Tomlin and had way better playoff success. Tomlin's championship was with a battle tested veteran team that was Bill Cowhers team. His playoff success has declined to point it's nonexistent! Facts
Tomlin 100% does not get a pass, but that also DOES NOT mean he should be fired. Tomlin is a historically great coach and I'm sure he'll get it figured out.
Mike Tomlin's a stubborn man
Who doesn't like to make changes?
Sooner or later it's time to kick him to the curb Mike Tomlin
He's lost the player's in the Pittsburgh Locker Room
If some team wants the bum,let them have him
@@brianwhite3428he definitely didn't lose the locker room you crazy
I agree
@@brianwhite3428 Steeler fan here, what changes are you talking about? Getting Mahomes? Getting Lamar? The team doesn't have the cap space for a star QB. They can only go through the draft, Pickett is a bust and Mitch is a bad backup. Idk what change you are looking for, until this team gets a decent QB they won't be going anywhere.
@@enigma13ff
You want me to connect the dots
Can't you figure it out yourself?
At the very least. Someone on youtube seen the light
Tomlin was carried by big Ben not the other around
He's not a X's and O's coach. He's a motivator. That's what they said and that's the biggest problem with Tomlin. Coaches are running advanced schemes and Tomlin is stuck in the past. They won't win anything as long as he's there. Horrible roster management as well. The worst LT and C in the NFL start for the Steelers and probably the worst QB2 is on the roster.
Ummmm, hey Joy. Robert Saleh has only been on the job in NY for a few seasons. Why are you comparing him to Tomlin, who has been in Pittsburgh for 17 seasons and hasn't won a playoff game in the past 6 or 7? As for the Big Ben retiring excuse, he and Tomlin didn't win much in the postseason since 2010 and he was still in his prime until the last few years.
Get Tomlin an elite QB .
He had one remember, he still hasn’t won a playoff game since Obama been in office
They don't grow on trees
@george Trevino 3522,Again?
Every team can’t win the superbowl
Been settling for a while now, not sure he needs to be let go but they are in need of some changes
James Jone says Pickett and Truibiskey are the problem? Guess who picked both of them? Mike Tomlin.
If Tom Brady and Bill Belicheck can go 10 years without winning a Superbowl so Mike Tomlin is fine
9:33 Did Bellicheck not identify & develop Tom Brady… or because others didn’t pan out, he can’t do it all? I don’t understand that..
If they let Mike Tomlin go he's going to get a hired before Adam schefter finishes checking for typos in the tweet about it......
@zregory,Raiders would be a perfect fit😂😂😂😂
SPEAK, please check the mic levels. It sounds like the audio is playing thru a shell in the seashore😂😂
Mike Tomlin has not won playoff game in 13 of 17 seasons.
He is 3-7 in last 10 playoff games with victories over Matt Moore, AJ McCarron, and Alex Smith.
The Steelers organization has only had 7 losing seasons since 1972.
Cowher did better with less. Tomlin’s loved by his team but they’ve also become stagnant and unambitious. I don’t know who can replace him but he’s getting boring.
Yeah in an era that was dominated by defense and running the ball. And what did he do that was so much better?
@@Ballaholic17 Like I said he won with less than Tomlin. Tomlin inherited an amazing roster and could only muster 1 SB win in 17 years. Any motivation he could dish out has dried up the way I see it. Of course any other bad team would be happy to him but Steelers fans are tired of the mediocrity and everybody lauding Tomlin for not having a bad season.
That playoff record is the reason to move on. Andy was done in Philly when he moved the O line coach to Defensive Coordinator.
Acho may not have even believed in his point and he crushed his opponents in this debate
Joy Taylor is always saying about Prescott and the Cowboys that she know what Prescott is in the regular season. But when is he gonna do that in the playoffs, the same thing goes for Mike Tomlin the last 7 years. We know what he is going to do in the season, but we don't know what you're gonna do. In the playoffs the looks like the same thing to me
Joy is trash, she has no real insight. Just biases
Lmao 😂 Joy with the trash takes, shady as well
nothing new
Sorry but as a life time steelers fan, we hold are coaches and players to a higher level then other teams. Pittsburgh like Dallas is Americas team and not having a losen season means more than just winning above 500. When was the last time you seen the Steelers dominate a team? We have been struggling just to win a game for years.
He’s been getting a pass for years.
Steelers’s ownership only cares about winning seasons and not about winning any more Super Bowls.
He deserves the right to walk away when he's ready to leave. And it's not the other way around. He's earned that
He deserves to finish his contract. However, I don't think he deserves to get a new contract. He wasted Big Ben's back half of his career. Pickett isn't the solution, but lack of development shows poor coaching personnel management
@@loon1994he needs better offensive minds to teach his QBs. He is a good leader of men. That's why he's never had a losing season.
@roningaijin7701 You are not wrong, but Tomlin also doesn't seem like the guy willing to let the offense dictate the game plan, which is part of what would help a young QB develop better by being the focus
As a Steelers fan, I lowkey hope Tomlin leaves so we can see how much greener the grass is for the fans that have penned EVERYTHING on him. No losing seasons and as they struggle to find a new QB, he has to go? We don’t deserve him. We almost need to be one of those dysfunctional franchises so people can see how it really is out here.
Tomlin doesn’t need to hire the OC, there needs to be big changes across the coaching staff and at QB but getting rid of Tomlin is crazy
exactly and people saying you guys haven't won a playoff game in 7 years. My team is the Lions and we've never been to a Super Bowl, haven't won a playoff game since 1991 and haven't made the playoffs in 7 years. Talk is cheap, and those fans are thinking short term, not long term. The reality is the two core issues in PIT is the quarterback and the GM (they need to be fired). Rant over
You do understand this whole situation with the coaches and players on the Steelers is Tomlin own doing.
Acho be smoking the good stuff today! GTFOH with the Tomlin might be the greatest defensive coach ever.
You coach long enough, you're gonna struggle at times. I wouldn't put Mike on the hot seat.
The ONLY reason he gets a pass is because he’s a Black head coach
Where is the banner for never having a losing season
Art Rooney Sr. And Chuck Noll set the standard. Mike Tomlin has lowered the bar to "mediocre none losing seasons" . The standard is no longer the standard.
Ha, no losing seasons... I would rather they have losing seasons and rebuild than consistent mediocrity. Also, what does Tomlin's coaching tree look like for such a great coach? That's right... nothing...
Its literally the end of the NFL Apostles 😢
Don't say that. We'll get more. It takes time
Good and fun discussion. I usually don't agree with Acho that much, but credit to him for making some thought-provoking points that I hadn't considered before.
The defense is shaky now too! And im a dolphins fan i don't want Mike Tomlin! Im happy with Mike McDaniel! The best is yet to come From him!
Defense isn't shaky they constantly get the ball back but if you keep going 3 and out even the 85 bears and 2000 ravens will get tired
"His side of the ball" bullcrap
He has all sides of the ball. He's a headcoach. He is responsible for everything, even the personnel.
7 years no playoff wins, he's gotta go
Mike Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the NFL. Talks of the ERA coming to an end are crazy.
No he isn’t 😂
😂
Yea when Big Ben was there
He’s definitely not “one of the best coaches” ….😂
He really is. Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season as a head coach and has been to 2 Superbowls and won 1.
He went from being Moses to Lucifer 😂😂
Tomlin has already been given WAY more passes than he deserves, if losing back to back must win games in the playoff race against awful teams isn't the last straw I wish Steelers fans luck. Long as Tomlin is your coach things are not gonna get better.
Acho is doing a really good job
Mike Tomlin should go to the hall of fame just for keeping AB under wraps for so long
He enabled the behavior.
He's continuing to enable that behavior. He doesn't have the locker room. @@GreenMan1999
No
@@GreenMan1999No he didn’t. He suspended and benched AB for bad behavior. Talk facts.
I'm sorry, James Jones must be high. Tomlin's side of the ball is "always ballin"...reallly?? Let me remind you of the absolute DEBACLES we have seen this team put on display the last few postseasons: LOSS to Jaguars at HOME 45-42, LOSS to the Browns at HOME 48-37, LOSS to the Chiefs in Arrowhead 42-21. Do those box stores indicate really great defensive performances? It's not just the defense, obviously, but these scores also indicate a total lack of preparedness and discipline as well.
These losses sum up Tomlins back half era with the Steelers. I didn't even mention his absolute undressing he endured in the AFC championship by Bill Belicheck and the patriots in 2017. Its just become the norm that Tomlin led teams don't show up in big games on the biggest stages, and they play down to inferior competition. I don't hate him as a coach I just don't like people saying he's has maxing defensive performances when clearly he hasn't. I mean let's be honest, before TJ Watt showed the defense was nothing but the name and jerseys. This team has been surviving on raw talent at skill positions for the last 5 years and it's finally coming to a head now that Big Ben is gone. He's not gonna show up late in the 4th quarter anymore and bail out this organization. It's time to get a good offensive person in the building. Keep Tomlin, I don't care. I just need to see a better mind involved on this BB gun offense.
Yes pass, you can’t win them all but the fact that Pittsburgh ownership got enough sense to know you win some and you lose some but we not changing coaches.