The costumes are just too distracting. Taking me right out of it. Instead of a biblical proportions epic, I see a bunch of people in a room talking like weirdoes.
Yeah. That seems just about perfectly said. I often wonder just how some actors are given roles or directed, or how the editing was done. Sometimes it is glaring that the funding for a project has been poorly used or there wasn’t enough to do it properly.
Poor Alia. I mean to hear just about everyone call you an abomination your whole life must have been confusing, heartbreaking, alienating. No wonder she became a self-fulfilling prophecy. No one really allowed her to be anything else. Poor Alia.
Alia is my favorite "tragic" character in any novel. She had no control nor choice in what would eventually happen to her, her entire autonomy was stolen from her the moment Jessica selfishly took the Water of Life while pregnant. She was basically "possessed" by Other memory before she was even born so how could she have any way to change her fate?
@@wolfkins Before Jessica IGNORANTLY took the Water of Life. Jessica didn't really even know what she was doing when she took part in the ritual. She was basically following the path of least resistance, and trying to manipulate the "primitive" Fremen, because she and Paul were being hunted right after Leto I was killed. If the miniseries gave you the impression that Jessica was somehow being selfish when this happened, I suggest you read the books.
@@davester1432 I did read the books love. And I said selfishly because her primary motivation (in my opinion) was securing a place of power/safety with which to integrate her family. I don't doubt the love she had for her family but she was conditioned by the Bene Gesserit to be a tool for manipulation & I think it is reflected by her decision to drink the Water of Life, she was certainly given instruction concerning the ceremony before the Fremen would trust her enough to undergo it, I believe she did have some knowledge of the process, enough to realize that she was risking her life & her unborn baby's life yet she did it anyway & that is selfish.
She was never confused. She has the memories of Jessica, including the teachings of the abomination she received. She understood the Reverend Mother's concern perfectly well (Hell, she even prompted the conversation asking her to tell the Emperor who she is). Later, she just got stuck handling a lot of stuff on her own after Paul wanders off and Jessica leaves that she's too busy, distracted, and exhausted to guard her own mind against the influences of the voices within, she listens to them mostly because everyone else has left.
Ian McNeice is my favorite Baron. Both cunning and slightly foppish he isn’t a complete psychopath but rather a player seeking power. The Sci-fi version really emphasizes the struggle for power aspects of the story more than the religious/supernatural elements. The other versions of the baron seem so grotesque as to be inhuman, it’s unimaginable that they would be invited to a dinner or social event. Ian’s version is slightly more banal, but also sells the idea as well. The Baron isn’t a supervillain, just an evil man.
the 80s movie was the Baron for me, dripping with pus and full of depravity. This baron is pretty decent but is consistent with his previous characters from Mr Tapling (Hornblower) and the Wagonmaster-General from Sharpe as well as the town crier from Rome.
I liked the writing of this version of 'Dune'. The miniseries format allowed for more expository material which is key to understanding what REALLY going on in Herbert's masterpiece. But, Oh Gawd, those COSTUMES 🤣🤣🤣
I feel like they were trying to give the Sardaukar a Swiss Guard-vibe with these outfits. They may look silly but it makes much more sense for a Preatorian Guard to wear antiquated looking dress Uniforms than the black body bags with green visors they wore in the Lynch-Version. Although, personally, I always imagined Sardaukar-Uniforms to look like something straight out of pre-WW1 Germany/Prussia.
Sardaukar wear grey and black uniforms with gold trimming in the books. Their officers had epaulets and wore extra trimmings. They looked more like Russian officers in the Napoleonic era, complete with sword. The Lynch version had the Sardaukar disguised as Harkonnen troops so they mostly just kept it that way
@@SantomPh I was always a bit confused about the sardukar uniforms in the lunch version. Unless the harkonnens had two sets of uniforms; the hazmat ones with the green glass or the ones with the two pipes on the face mask? I thought the sardukar were disguised for the first attack so not to involve the emperor. But at the end his 50 legions of sardukar are all still wearing the black hazmat suits again. Maybe lynch couldn't be bothered for a new design or the budget couldn't cover it?
The Scifi Dune miniseries are really good. Its done with the budget they had available, but the actors do their jobs well, and they stay fairly close to the source material.
Agreed!! Too bad they didn’t have a little bit more $$ in their coffers for this!! Personally I thought McNiece was excellent as the Baron. They didn’t have the budget to make him more repulsive and vile as he was in the book, but Ian really brought out his evil and conniving ways!! And Julie Cox, well she’s smoking hot as Irulan!!
Although, to be honest, European and many other cultures' royalty in real life weren't any less over-the-top when it came to court fashions. It just seems bizarre because America is so young and never had a domestic monarchy with all the trappings.
Although the director took a bit of artistic license, I love how they had Irulan's side of the story. Not to mention Julie Cox was very pleasing to the eyes.
Gotta love all the Gen Z and Millennial Dune fans who don't recognize good TV when they see it. Twenty years ago, Sci-Fi (they didn't use lame y's in their logo back then) made the best screen adaptation of the Dune story yet. Far better than the high budget train wreck in 1983. Sure, the current movies are better, but we were grateful for this version back in the day.
I thought Alia was scarier than Paul when I read Dune, at least until Paul started in with the heavy prescience at the end. Even now a reverend mother little girl gives me a little chill.. Growing up a Fremen as well, she could kill the emperor easily if she wanted and she kills the baron. You know you're bad when the reverend mothers are afraid of you.
and you also know its a delicious crystal fruit reflecting the colours and resonance they soaked the foundations of ther societies and vaules in.... its almost a shame the author not got a bit 'generous' with her 'spice & ancestors' powers for that scene when she is alone with the emperor's court and the supposedly most powerful 'magic' users in ther galaxy ,i think its sort of in the books to...but can be cearten... but i guess the ending parts with i think is it not muadibs son doing ''letos peace'' as a half transcended thing before going into the sand to become a worm himself sort of beats that.
She could have used the Voice to command the Emperor to kill himself, and he'd do it. The only one in the room who could resist her at all is Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, and Alia has powers she doesn't even suspect.
She was always way more scary. She was very powerful and way more ruthless. Ghanima and Leto II who were not afraid of her, since they were far stronger, knew not to push her too far.
@@pyrolight7568 then agen.....push anything to far.... but i guess since she was ''pree-born'' or what ther term for it is ,that did make it hard for people to relate to her and starved her of a lot of normal social stimulation.
Looking at the comments, it appears I'm in the minority here in preferring this version over all others. Yes, the budget was low and it was before the CGI we have available today, but the acting was classy, the dialogue was borderline Shakespearean (the baron in this version came across as super smart and evil, while the new one was simply gotesque) and I actually became invested in the various protagonists plights. The latest version, while incredible in its visuals and sound design, left no ultimate impression upon me. This will forever be my definitive version of Dune.
I like this version MUCH more (though I think I"ll love the recent movies MORE).. unlike even the Reverend Mother, Irulan started putting the pieces together bit by bit and realized that the Baron set this whole thing in motion to make his one nephew incompetent so that his other could be the savior.. in doing so, she discovered that Paul didn't die and that Alia was his sister. This scene makes it look like she could tell right away, but if you watched the series, once she realized who Muadib was, it was easy to deduce who Alia was. I liked this version of Irulan whereas in the book, she was a quasi enemy of the Atreides or an incompetent.
It's nice how they gave the revelation of Alia's heratige to Irulan, giving her a little character and agency in the story, not just the role of whitness to events.
The expansion of Irulan's role was one of my favorite parts of the miniseries. Julie Cox did an amazing job portraying the character. In this particular part, I love the smirk she gave the Baron when she announced Paul as Maud'Dib. The way they wrote the character showed that the treatment of the Atreides family never sat well with her, particularly given the way she was used to further the plans the Baron and her father had to overthrow and destroy them. Here was her moment to see the Baron come face-to-face with his failures.
Everyone is ripping on the costumes, but I always took them in stride. I've always found ceremonial outfits to be weird and downright ludicrous at time. Take the swiss guards of the Vatican for example, I'm sure they influenced the sardaukar in more than just their looks (which are absolutely the least threatening thing I've ever seen) as they are also well-renowned fighters and the private military force of Vatican, and by extension the pope. I think the costumes are absolutely fine and I think they have real world inspirations that provide for them a realistic precedent.
In my opinion, these costumes are far better than the ones in Lynches movie. The one in lynches movie feel grimy and cheap, not at all imperial. Nevermind the Harkonnens who seem more like a group of BDSM fanatics than a powerful Noble family in Lynches version.
Well the film has a lot of weird costumes and very odd eccentric features on men like giant eyebrows and stuff, and weird hairdos. But I always liked to see the movie a certain way. In history great men have always had a identifying eccentric aspect. Lincoln's height, hat, and mole. Hitlers mustache. I like to think in the distant future of Dune, they have realized this, and have attempted to sort of make it fashion culture if you will. Where many many people attempt to have eccentric or exaggerated features, in order to stand out, or distinguish themselves.
I was in London today. Saw the changing of the guard. Bear skin hats and shiny helmets. They look ridiculous. But, I know better. Cavalrymen in name only, motorised infantry is what they are. Guardsmen? Well those bayonets aren't just for show. I'd be willing to bet at least a couple of those guardsmen have used a bayonet to finish off some poor bastard trying to desperately crawl away.
Technically speaking the Swiss Guard in Rome is the Pope's guard. The full description is Guardia Svizzera Pontificia, roughly translated Swiss Papal Guard. They are well trained but are not SF stuff. Although one of the requirements is to have completed Swiss Army basic training it may be the guy is a cook or a lorry driver.
@@DerrickVanderspoon Flatly disagree on the performances. The performances in Lynch's somewhat limited scope of Dune, far out strip the performances in the Sci-Fi mini-series. But it is Not the fault of the Mini-series for this. The screenplay adaptation, while honest to the novel in everything that it covered, was just some terrible script writing, it seemed rushed and dummied down. The actors, director did a marvelous job with those crap scripts. The set designers and costume/prop designers I think did well. And as cheap it sounded, the soundtrack was immersive enough. The Mini-series value is that it goes further than David Lynch's Dune.
The Saradaukar in this version were the most elite fighting force because whenever an enemy would see their chef boyardee uniforms, they'd keel over laughing so hard then the Sardaukar could just easily kill them
Re-reading the books and re-watched the syfy sereis. And I have to say that depite the waky costumes it is a very good adaptation. Also, I like design of the costumes. The problem is that the fabircs they got were...not the best. Also, I think it's safe to say that Ian McNiece is the best part of this show.
Especially since they didn't get into the really weird, creepy stuff from the Lynch adaptation, or what looks like is in the new film. In the novel, Baron Harkonnen was unquestionably evil. But it was more Renaissance nobleman evil, not bizarre freaky bathing-in-black-oil evil.
The Lynch interpretation of the Baron is a sick freak. Ian McNiece’s portrayal has this wonderful sort of Shakespearean gleeful menace. Skellen Skarsgaard in the new film is kind of dull by comparison.
This is a really nicely written scene, from the standpoint of adaptation. In fact everything about this is nicely done, including the design which others are critical of; I think it’s a very conscious choice, and an interesting one. (Also I like the Emperor as a kind of Medici-like ruler. That’s a good interpretation.)
I agree this version pairs with the novel as far as the script but is nowhere near the costume and actors appearances. Where as 84's actors match with the characters descriptions and most of the costumes match up but doesnt follow the story.
@@MikeInDubai The costumes designs were abysmal. I had a very difficult time watching the miniseries. I also did not Care much for the casting, with the exception of William Hurt who played Paul Atreides father. Yes, I do agree with deusImperium.
Aside from seeing small clips like these, when was the last time any of you have actually watched this whole miniseries? Cause honestly I don't think it's nearly as bad as you all think it is.
It just suffers from that Syfy TV show look. If you watch an show that was made by Syfy they all have the same look, style, and acting. Nowadays when you look back, it looks especially cheap, but honestly Syfy were the only ones doing sci-fi shows and this was the budget they had. They probably shouldn't have shot it in the same style as an episode of Stargate SG-1 though.
I have never thought it was bad. The CGI was cheap but I have never cared about that as long as what happens is not ridiculously impossibile and over the top. The costumes sometimes are too much but hey. This is a decadent empire 10k years in the future: you are bound to have some periods where fashion becomes ludicrous like in the 1700s. And it is a honest attempt at being faithful to the books. Beside, I absolutely love the following series, Children of Dune.
Glad I Found These VID'S Today! DUNE Period! LIKE Both Versions And Children Of Dune, Couldn't Wait For It To Be Put TV At The Time! JUST Like GOT's.. Thanks
Great casting and well written for a made for TV miniseries :) The sequel Children of Dune was the first time I saw a young James McAvoy as Leto the second :) abd he CRUSHES IT!!! 👍😎👍
The princess got shafted, she was worthy to lead and be respected. Instead, got a bunch of time to read her books instead ... actually now that I consider that, she got a sweet deal.
Yeah The Fayde casting was really brilliant. Lynch ws just a fanboy of that band. I like this cunning/technique Fayde. And it's gonna be even worse in the new movie.
This was the TV version...much closer to the original book. It was on the SyFi channel in the 1990's, if I recall correctly. Actually, it's quite good...thanks for posting!
It’s a me! Shaddam IV! Seriously though I love the Italianate look of this version… it just fits…when I read the book it was obvious to me the parallels between the great houses of the Imperium and the rulers of the city states of Renaissance Italy and their politics and modes of warfare.
I really don't know why this gets so much hate. I feel like the whole "retro-renaissance" look gives it more of a feeling of great houses in space. The Sardaukar may look a bit foofy but honestly. The ones from the David Lynch movie have these ugly sewage worker outfits. Sardaukar need some kind of kickass battle armor for the field but here they're palace guards so they should be expected to be a bit foofy, like the Pope's Swiss guards.
This series was pretty cornball, but Giancarlo Giannini as Shaddam IV was one of the brighter spots, even with the ridiculous purple cape. That dude rocks. I hope Christopher Walken takes some inspiration from his performance for his own. And adds his own magic, of course. You wouldn't want to attract the worm.
@@theosprey7111 He was better than Walken, I hate to say it. He had the arrogance and smugness down pat. In Villeneuve's version, with Walken the same age as he is now, he could have been cast again, and killed it. I felt Walken didn't bring enough of that "I am the f*cking emperor!" to the role, which did, indeed, need more cowbell.
Mini series had a smaller budget than big hollywood films, so they put more emphasis on dialogue and character development. Lynch compressed a lot into a 2 hour movie. Villeneuve's Dune focuses more on visuals and CGI. As for the choices of actors and actresses for various roles, each adaption also has their own good and bad choices. E.g. hard to see Sean Young as Chani or Jason Mamoa as Duncan Idaho. Each adaption has their pros and cons, but in telling the "story" of the Dune universe, the mini series is a bit ahead.
While I enjoyed Denis Villeneuve’s Dune 2 movie, reducing Alia’s agency particularly her role in the death of Baron Harkonnen was a serious mistake. This scene captures the original novel very well.
I think that the goofy costumes of the Emperor and his court were intended to show that they were more concerned with matters of fashion than with matters of government. Phil the Cat
I think that there are good and bad points to both versions. This scene, for example. I don't like the Bene Gesserit outfits in the newer version. As I recall (perhaps incorrectly), the BG outfits in Lynch's version were truer to the book. And the way that Irrulan's lines were written in this scene were so incredibly clumsy. I liked how this actress portrayed Irrulan in the more recent version, but at times her lines were poorly written. I could go on and on, but there's not really any point. There's good and bad to both versions, and I'll leave it at that.
I agree! I think. I have not seen the miniseries ever and felt just now like I was watching some dubbed foreign version-Latvian maybe, bad Fellini- of Dune. Or what they call space-opera? Over the top, for sure. Like Ming the Merciless! Love those old b&w space-patrol movies! 🚀
sorta, kinda.. but she regained herself by sacrificing herself (aka suicide). Which is a reverse version of the Exorcist in that only in killing herself can she save herself from the Trial.
okay i put this on thinking this would be hilariously bad but ahhh its actually pretty well acted and the costumes sorta work when its not just an out of context picture...
I earlier missed that the Baron was trying to subtly threaten the Emperor by revealing Corinos complicity with the downfall of the Atreides with that “revisiting old strategies” line, but the Emperor either didn’t pick it up or didn’t care.
Always liked Alia's playing along with the Emperor's roasting of the Baron. "Make him afraid some more!"
That line was actually in the novel 💯💢💥💫🤟
@@swiftmaticAnd it was delivered perfectly.
@@swiftmatic Many lines were.
After this scene, they rushed to get their costumes back to Halloween Headquarters in order to get their deposits back.
The costumes are just too distracting. Taking me right out of it. Instead of a biblical proportions epic, I see a bunch of people in a room talking like weirdoes.
@etsequentia6765 better wardrobes and lighting would have made a massive improvement in the series.
@@etsequentia6765 What do you mean? That's _Dune_ all over, and always has been!
Hey! You try making a miniseries with the budget of a dinner at Applebee's and then you can judge this production!
@@whatever3132 The budget was $20,000,000.00.
The shah of Iran absolutely killed this role
Sopranos reference😅 I Don’t see him?
which is doubly true considering that the emperor is referred to as Padishah, a Persian title lmao
"I am beyond your power"
Cool line right there.
Got to have dinner with Ian McNiece once. He is an immensely funny and classy fella.
I hope y’all went to an Italian restaurant, so when they bring out the breadsticks, he could say, “True Roman bread for true Romans.” 😂
@@anathar8830 And he's a hugger!
Somehow, Ian McNiece as Baron Harkonnen just doesn't scan for me!
He just doesn't have the FACE necessary for an evil s.o.b.!
@@mikegrossberg8624Makes him seem benevolent. When he isn’t.
I loved him as the announcer in Rome
best line I ever heard about this version was that it was "One of the greatest school plays ever filmed"......
Have to give them credit though, Children of Dune was a ton better.
Yeah. That seems just about perfectly said. I often wonder just how some actors are given roles or directed, or how the editing was done. Sometimes it is glaring that the funding for a project has been poorly used or there wasn’t enough to do it properly.
It would be great if someone like Ian McNeice could be available for schoolplays!
*Middle* school plays
@@janakakumara3836 .......JESUS! :D
“Bring in that floating fat man, the Baron.”
@Jaegar19Ultima I see what you did there :D
I wonder if the Guild of Millers is still around in Dune.
@@Tadashi2 The Spacing Guild uses only the finest melange - true Arrakeen spice for true Navigators.
@@pplesandoranges So that is where I recognize him from - was scratching my fucking head lmao.
I heard these Sardaukar make the best chocolate souffles in the Universe.
Hahahaha lololol! I needed that laugh this morning!
It's true, and they are TO DIE FOR!
Yeap, fit for an Emperor of the Known Universe.
My how things have gotten worse in the Dune universe.
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Poor Alia. I mean to hear just about everyone call you an abomination your whole life must have been confusing, heartbreaking, alienating. No wonder she became a self-fulfilling prophecy. No one really allowed her to be anything else. Poor Alia.
But, she had the memories. She knew before birth she was abomination. She had plenty of time to say 'screw that."
Alia is my favorite "tragic" character in any novel. She had no control nor choice in what would eventually happen to her, her entire autonomy was stolen from her the moment Jessica selfishly took the Water of Life while pregnant. She was basically "possessed" by Other memory before she was even born so how could she have any way to change her fate?
@@wolfkins Before Jessica IGNORANTLY took the Water of Life. Jessica didn't really even know what she was doing when she took part in the ritual. She was basically following the path of least resistance, and trying to manipulate the "primitive" Fremen, because she and Paul were being hunted right after Leto I was killed.
If the miniseries gave you the impression that Jessica was somehow being selfish when this happened, I suggest you read the books.
@@davester1432 I did read the books love. And I said selfishly because her primary motivation (in my opinion) was securing a place of power/safety with which to integrate her family. I don't doubt the love she had for her family but she was conditioned by the Bene Gesserit to be a tool for manipulation & I think it is reflected by her decision to drink the Water of Life, she was certainly given instruction concerning the ceremony before the Fremen would trust her enough to undergo it, I believe she did have some knowledge of the process, enough to realize that she was risking her life & her unborn baby's life yet she did it anyway & that is selfish.
She was never confused. She has the memories of Jessica, including the teachings of the abomination she received. She understood the Reverend Mother's concern perfectly well (Hell, she even prompted the conversation asking her to tell the Emperor who she is). Later, she just got stuck handling a lot of stuff on her own after Paul wanders off and Jessica leaves that she's too busy, distracted, and exhausted to guard her own mind against the influences of the voices within, she listens to them mostly because everyone else has left.
Ian McNeice is my favorite Baron. Both cunning and slightly foppish he isn’t a complete psychopath but rather a player seeking power. The Sci-fi version really emphasizes the struggle for power aspects of the story more than the religious/supernatural elements. The other versions of the baron seem so grotesque as to be inhuman, it’s unimaginable that they would be invited to a dinner or social event. Ian’s version is slightly more banal, but also sells the idea as well. The Baron isn’t a supervillain, just an evil man.
Well said
There's actually not much of Skarsgård's Baron in the new films. I'd liked to have seen more of his scheming.
totes agree!
the 80s movie was the Baron for me, dripping with pus and full of depravity. This baron is pretty decent but is consistent with his previous characters from Mr Tapling (Hornblower) and the Wagonmaster-General from Sharpe as well as the town crier from Rome.
My brother comes now," Alia said. "Even an Emperor may tremble before Muad'Dib, for he has the strength of righteousness and heaven smiles upon him.
The most badass thing to come out of an infants mouth in all fiction.
I liked the writing of this version of 'Dune'. The miniseries format allowed for more expository material which is key to understanding what REALLY going on in Herbert's masterpiece. But, Oh Gawd, those COSTUMES 🤣🤣🤣
I feel like they were trying to give the Sardaukar a Swiss Guard-vibe with these outfits. They may look silly but it makes much more sense for a Preatorian Guard to wear antiquated looking dress Uniforms than the black body bags with green visors they wore in the Lynch-Version.
Although, personally, I always imagined Sardaukar-Uniforms to look like something straight out of pre-WW1 Germany/Prussia.
Hmmmm….I thought they would’ve looked totally righteous dressed as Starbucks employees.
Sardaukar wear grey and black uniforms with gold trimming in the books. Their officers had epaulets and wore extra trimmings. They looked more like Russian officers in the Napoleonic era, complete with sword.
The Lynch version had the Sardaukar disguised as Harkonnen troops so they mostly just kept it that way
@@SantomPh I was always a bit confused about the sardukar uniforms in the lunch version. Unless the harkonnens had two sets of uniforms; the hazmat ones with the green glass or the ones with the two pipes on the face mask? I thought the sardukar were disguised for the first attack so not to involve the emperor. But at the end his 50 legions of sardukar are all still wearing the black hazmat suits again. Maybe lynch couldn't be bothered for a new design or the budget couldn't cover it?
The Scifi Dune miniseries are really good. Its done with the budget they had available, but the actors do their jobs well, and they stay fairly close to the source material.
Agreed!! Too bad they didn’t have a little bit more $$ in their coffers for this!! Personally I thought McNiece was excellent as the Baron. They didn’t have the budget to make him more repulsive and vile as he was in the book, but Ian really brought out his evil and conniving ways!! And Julie Cox, well she’s smoking hot as Irulan!!
I want whatever you're smoking. Actually, I don't. It would probably kill me.
Did you watch this video? The acting is UNWATCHABLY bad. It's hilarious.
@@Abmotsad Sadly you are mostly correct, but again not all the portrayals were bad.
I agree. I find this still the best version, although the new movie has nice sections indeed.
I liked the little touch of giving Shaddam an Italian accent
It's like it was produced by Liberace
Excellent Burn!! 🔥
No! Liberace had taste and style, though unapologetically flamboyant, and he was a good pianist. This has none of that.
so true
Hahaahhaahahah
Although, to be honest, European and many other cultures' royalty in real life weren't any less over-the-top when it came to court fashions. It just seems bizarre because America is so young and never had a domestic monarchy with all the trappings.
Although the director took a bit of artistic license, I love how they had Irulan's side of the story. Not to mention Julie Cox was very pleasing to the eyes.
Gotta love all the Gen Z and Millennial Dune fans who don't recognize good TV when they see it. Twenty years ago, Sci-Fi (they didn't use lame y's in their logo back then) made the best screen adaptation of the Dune story yet. Far better than the high budget train wreck in 1983.
Sure, the current movies are better, but we were grateful for this version back in the day.
the current movies are more expensive, I wouldn't say better
I thought Alia was scarier than Paul when I read Dune, at least until Paul started in with the heavy prescience at the end. Even now a reverend mother little girl gives me a little chill.. Growing up a Fremen as well, she could kill the emperor easily if she wanted and she kills the baron. You know you're bad when the reverend mothers are afraid of you.
and you also know its a delicious crystal fruit reflecting the colours and resonance they soaked the foundations of ther societies and vaules in.... its almost a shame the author not got a bit 'generous' with her 'spice & ancestors' powers for that scene when she is alone with the emperor's court and the supposedly most powerful 'magic' users in ther galaxy ,i think its sort of in the books to...but can be cearten...
but i guess the ending parts with i think is it not muadibs son doing ''letos peace'' as a half transcended thing before going into the sand to become a worm himself sort of beats that.
She could have used the Voice to command the Emperor to kill himself, and he'd do it. The only one in the room who could resist her at all is Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, and Alia has powers she doesn't even suspect.
She was always way more scary. She was very powerful and way more ruthless. Ghanima and Leto II who were not afraid of her, since they were far stronger, knew not to push her too far.
@@pyrolight7568 then agen.....push anything to far....
but i guess since she was ''pree-born'' or what ther term for it is ,that did make it hard for people to relate to her and starved her of a lot of normal social stimulation.
On top of her other powers, she was also quite sadistic! Which only got worse (or better) as she grew older.
I have to say that this version has grown on me over time.
Haven't scene cinematography like this since 1979 BattleStar Galactica
Planet of the Atheists, Indeed. Could have added acting and production values to that list.
Seemed more Buck Rogers.
Looking at the comments, it appears I'm in the minority here in preferring this version over all others. Yes, the budget was low and it was before the CGI we have available today, but the acting was classy, the dialogue was borderline Shakespearean (the baron in this version came across as super smart and evil, while the new one was simply gotesque) and I actually became invested in the various protagonists plights. The latest version, while incredible in its visuals and sound design, left no ultimate impression upon me. This will forever be my definitive version of Dune.
I like this version MUCH more (though I think I"ll love the recent movies MORE).. unlike even the Reverend Mother, Irulan started putting the pieces together bit by bit and realized that the Baron set this whole thing in motion to make his one nephew incompetent so that his other could be the savior.. in doing so, she discovered that Paul didn't die and that Alia was his sister. This scene makes it look like she could tell right away, but if you watched the series, once she realized who Muadib was, it was easy to deduce who Alia was. I liked this version of Irulan whereas in the book, she was a quasi enemy of the Atreides or an incompetent.
I agree. I wish they made a series that stuck this close to the book with today’s technology…
The new movie has 10/10 visuals, sound, pomp, grandeur and 2/10 for "movie"
It's nice how they gave the revelation of Alia's heratige to Irulan, giving her a little character and agency in the story, not just the role of whitness to events.
The expansion of Irulan's role was one of my favorite parts of the miniseries. Julie Cox did an amazing job portraying the character. In this particular part, I love the smirk she gave the Baron when she announced Paul as Maud'Dib. The way they wrote the character showed that the treatment of the Atreides family never sat well with her, particularly given the way she was used to further the plans the Baron and her father had to overthrow and destroy them. Here was her moment to see the Baron come face-to-face with his failures.
Everyone is ripping on the costumes, but I always took them in stride. I've always found ceremonial outfits to be weird and downright ludicrous at time. Take the swiss guards of the Vatican for example, I'm sure they influenced the sardaukar in more than just their looks (which are absolutely the least threatening thing I've ever seen) as they are also well-renowned fighters and the private military force of Vatican, and by extension the pope.
I think the costumes are absolutely fine and I think they have real world inspirations that provide for them a realistic precedent.
In my opinion, these costumes are far better than the ones in Lynches movie. The one in lynches movie feel grimy and cheap, not at all imperial. Nevermind the Harkonnens who seem more like a group of BDSM fanatics than a powerful Noble family in Lynches version.
Well the film has a lot of weird costumes and very odd eccentric features on men like giant eyebrows and stuff, and weird hairdos. But I always liked to see the movie a certain way. In history great men have always had a identifying eccentric aspect. Lincoln's height, hat, and mole. Hitlers mustache. I like to think in the distant future of Dune, they have realized this, and have attempted to sort of make it fashion culture if you will. Where many many people attempt to have eccentric or exaggerated features, in order to stand out, or distinguish themselves.
I was in London today. Saw the changing of the guard. Bear skin hats and shiny helmets. They look ridiculous.
But, I know better. Cavalrymen in name only, motorised infantry is what they are. Guardsmen? Well those bayonets aren't just for show. I'd be willing to bet at least a couple of those guardsmen have used a bayonet to finish off some poor bastard trying to desperately crawl away.
Technically speaking the Swiss Guard in Rome is the Pope's guard.
The full description is Guardia Svizzera Pontificia, roughly translated Swiss Papal Guard.
They are well trained but are not SF stuff.
Although one of the requirements is to have completed Swiss Army basic training it may be the guy is a cook or a lorry driver.
@@Braun30 i don't know about now, but the swiss guards have historically enjoyed a fearsome reputation as being premiere fighters
Miniseries did more justice to the novel, but the Lynch film definitely had more style.
José Ferrer had more style playing the Emperor.
Agreed. The miniseries definitely looks cheaper and flatter than Lynch’s Dune, but it has better performances and does the story much more justice.
love them both. wasn't happy about the stilgar actor swap in the children of dune though.
Someone had to say it . . . .
@@DerrickVanderspoon Flatly disagree on the performances. The performances in Lynch's somewhat limited scope of Dune, far out strip the performances in the Sci-Fi mini-series. But it is Not the fault of the Mini-series for this. The screenplay adaptation, while honest to the novel in everything that it covered, was just some terrible script writing, it seemed rushed and dummied down. The actors, director did a marvelous job with those crap scripts. The set designers and costume/prop designers I think did well. And as cheap it sounded, the soundtrack was immersive enough. The Mini-series value is that it goes further than David Lynch's Dune.
The Saradaukar in this version were the most elite fighting force because whenever an enemy would see their chef boyardee uniforms, they'd keel over laughing so hard then the Sardaukar could just easily kill them
"It's not wise to be so impudent, child."
Making a bold assumption that Alia is just a child.
Well.....
"It's not wise to be so impudent, my child." said with a gentle smile and glassy eyes. 😏🤌
What kind of spice was the costume department on?
Scary Spice...
the high school play budget spice
That Tleilaxu stuff, that or the "Ultraspice"
Low budget is the reason.
The "bath salt" found in shady gas stations and convenience stores, the stuff that'll make you go zombie and want to eat someone's face.
1:50 Make him afraid some more.
Love it.
Re-reading the books and re-watched the syfy sereis. And I have to say that depite the waky costumes it is a very good adaptation.
Also, I like design of the costumes. The problem is that the fabircs they got were...not the best.
Also, I think it's safe to say that Ian McNiece is the best part of this show.
it's decent and more accurate that Lynch's movie. Hopefully the remake coming out this year will be better.
Ian McNiece - yes, thanks. I was wondering who it was.
Especially since they didn't get into the really weird, creepy stuff from the Lynch adaptation, or what looks like is in the new film. In the novel, Baron Harkonnen was unquestionably evil. But it was more Renaissance nobleman evil, not bizarre freaky bathing-in-black-oil evil.
@@minsapint8007 true roman barons, for true romans
Yes, better than Lynch's version and much more faithful to the book. The costumes are wacky but otherwise great miniseries.
I swear I thought this show was just a fever dream I had when I was a kid! It's good to see this show again.
Ian McNeice will be hard to beat as The Baron.
The Lynch interpretation of the Baron is a sick freak. Ian McNiece’s portrayal has this wonderful sort of Shakespearean gleeful menace. Skellen Skarsgaard in the new film is kind of dull by comparison.
@@theosprey7111 Agreed. Seems to be channeling Marlon Brando though with not really much of a lasting impression.
Ian McNeice is a treasure. One of the biggest gripes i have with the 81 dune is the portrayal of the baron.
He only eats bread produced by the Guild of Millers. The Guild of Millers uses only the finest grains. True Roman bread, for true Romans.
Narrator's voice: "It was at this time, the Emperor knew he had f*cked-up!"
This is a really nicely written scene, from the standpoint of adaptation.
In fact everything about this is nicely done, including the design which others are critical of; I think it’s a very conscious choice, and an interesting one. (Also I like the Emperor as a kind of Medici-like ruler. That’s a good interpretation.)
Personally, I found the Emperor's accent very distracting. The Baron Harkonnen was fat, but not nearly fat enough.
A lot of people criticized the Sardaukar uniforms in this adaptation but they remind me of Renaissance Condottieri. Fits with the politics.
Are you joking? This makes 1970's Doctor Who look like high art.
@@theosprey7111 Their uniforms aren't great, but at least they're not wearing hazmat suits.
@@FinnMcRiangabra 😂 help!
This version is much closer to the novel than Lynch's. I still love David Lynch'e version though.
I agree this version pairs with the novel as far as the script but is nowhere near the costume and actors appearances. Where as 84's actors match with the characters descriptions and most of the costumes match up but doesnt follow the story.
@@vikingwarlord24 Probably due to the much lower budget (TV version).
Then you didn’t like the book
@@MikeInDubai What?
@@MikeInDubai The costumes designs were abysmal. I had a very difficult time watching the miniseries. I also did not Care much for the casting, with the exception of William Hurt who played Paul Atreides father. Yes, I do agree with deusImperium.
Aside from seeing small clips like these, when was the last time any of you have actually watched this whole miniseries?
Cause honestly I don't think it's nearly as bad as you all think it is.
It just suffers from that Syfy TV show look. If you watch an show that was made by Syfy they all have the same look, style, and acting. Nowadays when you look back, it looks especially cheap, but honestly Syfy were the only ones doing sci-fi shows and this was the budget they had. They probably shouldn't have shot it in the same style as an episode of Stargate SG-1 though.
I have never thought it was bad. The CGI was cheap but I have never cared about that as long as what happens is not ridiculously impossibile and over the top.
The costumes sometimes are too much but hey. This is a decadent empire 10k years in the future: you are bound to have some periods where fashion becomes ludicrous like in the 1700s.
And it is a honest attempt at being faithful to the books.
Beside, I absolutely love the following series, Children of Dune.
"By order of the Emperor all mockery of Fremen and their one prophet shall be kept to an appropriate minimum!"
for all who are wondering about costumes - its work of Teodor Pistek, the same guy who does costumes for Forman`s Amadeus....
Glad I Found These VID'S Today! DUNE Period! LIKE Both Versions And Children Of Dune, Couldn't Wait For It To Be Put TV At The Time! JUST Like GOT's.. Thanks
HE IS THE MOWER DEEP
Count your blessings; they could have pronounced it "MooWaDhib"
Great casting and well written for a made for TV miniseries :) The sequel Children of Dune was the first time I saw a young James McAvoy as Leto the second :) abd he CRUSHES IT!!! 👍😎👍
Those costumes though.... woof.
The best Barron ever. Orange haired, sneaky, plotting, decadent and a big scaredy cat. Just like the book described him.
The princess got shafted, she was worthy to lead and be respected. Instead, got a bunch of time to read her books instead ... actually now that I consider that, she got a sweet deal.
The costume and sets from the dino delaurentis production were of course superior - delaurentis was a master at production all details were perfect
Lynch’s dune is really a masterpiece in disguise - watched it a week ago for the first time and can’t stop dreaming about it ever since
Yeah The Fayde casting was really brilliant.
Lynch ws just a fanboy of that band.
I like this cunning/technique Fayde.
And it's gonna be even worse in the new movie.
WILL EVERYONE BE QUIET!!!!
I'm trying to watch these people ACT!
*drink*
This was the TV version...much closer to the original book. It was on the SyFi channel in the 1990's, if I recall correctly.
Actually, it's quite good...thanks for posting!
This is a miniseries from the early 2000s. They did show the extended version of the 80's movie in the 90's on Sci-Fi though.
Shahdam's Italian accent makes him sound like Mario's dad
King of Italy
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It’s a me! Shaddam IV! Seriously though I love the Italianate look of this version… it just fits…when I read the book it was obvious to me the parallels between the great houses of the Imperium and the rulers of the city states of Renaissance Italy and their politics and modes of warfare.
Dune is so colorful and lively can't wait to see the worms.. BTW it still feels like they would dance or something like those old MTVs
Ian McNeice is still by far the best Baron Harkonen
I love the sound of those giant doors closing!
I really don't know why this gets so much hate. I feel like the whole "retro-renaissance" look gives it more of a feeling of great houses in space. The Sardaukar may look a bit foofy but honestly. The ones from the David Lynch movie have these ugly sewage worker outfits. Sardaukar need some kind of kickass battle armor for the field but here they're palace guards so they should be expected to be a bit foofy, like the Pope's Swiss guards.
Honestly I agree, I'd love to see the royal guard saudarkar in somethnig stupid as long as the fremen comment on how stupid it is
This series was pretty cornball, but Giancarlo Giannini as Shaddam IV was one of the brighter spots, even with the ridiculous purple cape. That dude rocks. I hope Christopher Walken takes some inspiration from his performance for his own. And adds his own magic, of course. You wouldn't want to attract the worm.
Giancarlo was best emperor way better than needs more cowbell man.
@@theosprey7111 He was better than Walken, I hate to say it. He had the arrogance and smugness down pat. In Villeneuve's version, with Walken the same age as he is now, he could have been cast again, and killed it. I felt Walken didn't bring enough of that "I am the f*cking emperor!" to the role, which did, indeed, need more cowbell.
I heard they had to rush shooting because they needed to get the wardrobes back to Halloween Headquarters
Planet of the Atheists Aw man that was a low blow.
I really miss these days of the sci-fi channel. It had its own look and feel.
idgaf this is my favorite version of the Baron.
Over the top.
I wish the new dune had his sister in it as well. perhaps in the third movie
Watching this only emphasizes how much effort and budget went into the costumes and sets of David Lynch's version of Dune
The look on his face before he rips the paper up is hilarious.
😅 she got her mother's power and her brother's boldness
Damn, the acting the script and even the delivery is so awesome. But I can't look at this awful design.
There are so many things to like about this version of Dune.
The costumes are not one of them
Mini series had a smaller budget than big hollywood films, so they put more emphasis on dialogue and character development. Lynch compressed a lot into a 2 hour movie. Villeneuve's Dune focuses more on visuals and CGI.
As for the choices of actors and actresses for various roles, each adaption also has their own good and bad choices. E.g. hard to see Sean Young as Chani or Jason Mamoa as Duncan Idaho.
Each adaption has their pros and cons, but in telling the "story" of the Dune universe, the mini series is a bit ahead.
When you get Dune from Wish...
I really like the costumes in this adaptation
This version (at the time) was neat with wacky costumes but now feels slightly better than the PC-game cut scenes in the mid-90s 😂
Did you are the facial expressions on the courtiers, nobles, and soldiers, when Alia Atreides called Emperor Shadam Corrino IV an old man?
Shaddam is not supposed to be an old man yet at this point, I don't get that part at all.
@@ecoquilting7077 anyone in a position of high ranking government power will age faster than regular citizens.
@@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 hello, Melange's geriatric effects?
@@ecoquilting7077 She called out the truth.. in the book even though he was in his 70s he looked in his 30s and Alia just called it out.
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While I enjoyed Denis Villeneuve’s Dune 2 movie, reducing Alia’s agency particularly her role in the death of Baron Harkonnen was a serious mistake. This scene captures the original novel very well.
So interesting they got the Moebius designs with low budget
excellent clip. and I love this adaptation better than al the others.
The Sardukar costumes are based on the Landknecht of the 15-16th cen.
There style of dress was pretty flamboyant.
You mean the hats, not the whole costumes.
It capture the book better then the last fiew movies.
I'm sold
Giancarlo Giannini's acting is the reason I kept watching despite the spoilers
The effects aren't great but I actually liked the mini-series adaptations best. I liked that they did the first three books.
they have the best sandworms overall, and the best Baron.
I fail to see why this movie got remade. The first was amazing.
The paper flips in his face taunting him.......the final straw...lololol
You can say wathever you like, but the sardaukar looks badass in this series.
Yeah I thought the Lynch version in the biosuits looked like crap
J S Yea maybe, but chef hats, tight pants and nut covers...Meh.
Joking right? The look like gay purple clowns.
The year is 10191. The universe is feudal. We still use paper. Peak civilization.
I think that the goofy costumes of the Emperor and his court were intended to show that they were more concerned with matters of fashion than with matters of government. Phil the Cat
Pretty disrespectful of Baron Harkonnen to tower above the emperor with his floating device. The director should have known this.
aren't there any channels dedicated to sci-fi novels? crazy how there are so many for comics, manga, and games
yes there are
Say what you will about this, the costumes are just spectacular
I think that there are good and bad points to both versions. This scene, for example. I don't like the Bene Gesserit outfits in the newer version. As I recall (perhaps incorrectly), the BG outfits in Lynch's version were truer to the book. And the way that Irrulan's lines were written in this scene were so incredibly clumsy. I liked how this actress portrayed Irrulan in the more recent version, but at times her lines were poorly written. I could go on and on, but there's not really any point. There's good and bad to both versions, and I'll leave it at that.
I agree! I think. I have not seen the miniseries ever and felt just now like I was watching some dubbed foreign version-Latvian maybe, bad Fellini- of Dune. Or what they call space-opera? Over the top, for sure. Like Ming the Merciless! Love those old b&w space-patrol movies! 🚀
Baron Harkonan:
So my grandchildren are going to kill everyone. Okay. I should gtfo.
I wonder, if he had known the truth .. would he never had started the whole thing, because he would have not seen the need to?
The Baron owned Alia in the end, though....
sorta, kinda.. but she regained herself by sacrificing herself (aka suicide). Which is a reverse version of the Exorcist in that only in killing herself can she save herself from the Trial.
okay i put this on thinking this would be hilariously bad but ahhh its actually pretty well acted and the costumes sorta work when its not just an out of context picture...
How have I not heard of this remake before
I'm not sure why youtube suggested this to me. I'm not sure what this is. But it is really interesting and i like it!
Jarring to see the scene in my mind handled with such tawdry camera work, pacing, and blocking.
I earlier missed that the Baron was trying to subtly threaten the Emperor by revealing Corinos complicity with the downfall of the Atreides with that “revisiting old strategies” line, but the Emperor either didn’t pick it up or didn’t care.
It was fun tv for the time.
All Praise Saint Alia of the Knife!🪬🪬🪬
Muad D'ab -- huffed spice and got totally lit.
If Dune was off-broadway Shakespeare.
I really like this version... but the 1984 scene was much better.
FUCK NO!!!!!!!
I hate that kid. Allmost make me feel sorry for poor Vladimir.
I agree. The acting in this is atrocious compared to what we got in the 84 version.
@ShaiHuludisCool to each their own then
Inconceivable!