Iris is in denial about this because I don't think she can handle losing him again . That is probably why Nora is distant from Iris because growing up, her mother was really cold and not wanting to tell her about her father
Was thinking the same....And Joe telling her "the trick is to keep busy" is probably what started it all. Edit: Bet all she did was keep busy after Barry disappeared. That's why when Barry asked about Iris after finding out he was gone, Nora was like "she wwas around" not that she was there for her.
Here's something sadder, Iris clung to the belief that Barry would come back and just wasted her days waiting, eventually becoming an emotional wreck and distancing herself from her friends and family, even her own daughter.
Shaneka Gray Joe has nothing to do with this. Iris ALWAYS keeps busy when Barry is in trouble. She becomes an autopilot workaholic robot, shutting down ANY talk of him because she will crumble from the pain and this behaviour pushes everyone away. That's exactly what she did when Barry was in that time prison. They had to free Barry behind her back because she couldn't handle the pain of even talking about it. That's clearly what happened with Nora. Iris being Iris.
I mean yeah but I mean they did change the future about iris being dead. So lowkey I’m rolling with Iris fam because like Cisco said “ handing the future it’s own ass and then some” can’t argue there right 😂
Iris has actually kind of been through a lot. - The death of her Fiance - Meeting the mother who walked out on her and having her die shortly after discovering she had a brother she never knew about. -Having Savitar constantly threaten her life and having to think she was going to die in a few months, so she had to get her affairs in order knowing that her time was limited. - Her second Fiance and true love disappearing and her not knowing if he's alive or dead and having to suffer through that pain for 6 months. - Learning she has a daughter from the future who wants nothing to do with her. - And now learning her husband is gone in a few years and she and her daughter have to live possibly the rest of her life without him.
Well if there's anything we've learned it's that Barry and Iris will never really have a normal relationship because of the life they have. She has to deal with him being gone and he has to deal with being away from her and his family.
Listen to what Joe said. "the trick is you gotta keep yourself busy." Iris took her father's advice when Barry left so she never connected with Nora for that reason. Thus it prompted Nora to go to the past to find her father. Joe gave Iris bad advice and didn't even know it.
Joe had nothing to do with this. Iris ALWAYS keeps busy when Barry is in trouble. She becomes an autopilot workaholic robot, shutting down ANY talk of him because she will crumble from the pain and this behaviour pushes everyone away. That's exactly what she did when Barry was in that time prison. They had to free Barry behind her back because she couldn't handle the pain of even talking about it. That's clearly what happened with Nora. Iris being Iris.
Israeli Queen That's the thing with advice, we only ever take them if we already have a predisposition to them. But be that as it may, the reason Nora is disconnected from her mother is less about her keeping busy and more about her refusing to talk about Barry, which is what she does in situations like this. Again, not Joe's fault.
@@annieravenscroft what does she do that’s annoying tho? Cause I’ll see other character do thr same same thing and no one would be complaining and it’s very obvious why
You know. I am getting a lot of Dragonball Z Trunks and Cell saga vibes in this season. Think about it. Nora comes from the future like trunks to warn Barry about his disappearance and save him just as trunks came to warn goku of the androids attack and his death by a heart virus. An now the villain is a guy by name Cicada will steals and absorbs people's powers. Just like cell is an insect like villain and he absorbs people and the androids. Are you guys seeing this. Mind blowing.
that's cool. so the flash season 5 will be like Future Trunks/Cell & Androids saga form DBZ/ Super. also when Nora's mission is done she will go back to the Future (A new Future where Barry is still alive and he didn't disappeared.) like Trunks when he defeated the androids and Cell. Then a new villain shows up (like black goku form DB Super.) and Nora goes back to the past and Barry and team flash fight the new villain.
Iris finally said something that actually needed to be said. I'm getting a feeling that I will start to actually like her this season. Already, things are starting to look up for her.
@@jennifer7317 well, I'm black and I don't hate Candice Patton. I love her. I think she's an amazing actress and a beautiful woman. I think Iris is annoying, redundant, and often has no purpose, especially in the earlier seasons. If they had done more than make her Joe's daughter or the love interest in the earlier seasons, I'm sure I would like her. But I don't think her character is as fleshed out as it could be, and then they act like she's supposed to be as smart as Barry, Cisco and Caitlin, when she isn't. I think the character could be better done and at the time I could see that happening.
Why is everyone hating on Iris? No one's perfect. She's going through things of her own. I mean hearing how your husband disappears for years and years and never came back is a lot to take in. In the future, she's probably like that because she can't handle the fact of losing Barry so she does all these other things to distract herself, until she crumbles. You have to think about her perspective too. Why is everyone so judgy with everything? Like goodness.
Both comments are sooo underrrated. I've been saying this to ppl for years. Iris is really sweet character. Maybe writing may be bad in a particular scene but if many ppl were in Iris position, some would've done the same thing to Nora that future Iris did. Some would still be pissed off when Barry took Nora to the future without telling her. And many more. Under the clip where Barry and Iris argued that Barry sent Nora away without saying anything, ppl were saying Iris was wrong to be mad. "Oh she isn't a speedster so she wouldn't understand" UMMM, NO! That has nothing to do with it. And I had to constantly say "If your partner made such a drastic decision for y'all relationship or for the kid y'all made together, and DID NOT CONSULT IN YOU ABOUT IT! Then you'd be just as pissed off as Iris was." They just refuse to like the character for w.e dumb petty reasoning. Iris as the mom should've at least been able to say bye being in that moment they thought Nora was in the future for good, not thinking she'd access the negative speed force.
That makes no sense the twins literally never died. They were erased of the timeline at one point but they are doing things differently than the comics. For starters Iris didn’t get transported to the future and Barry is fighting an enemy that in the comics is Wally’s. There’s gonna be twins though. Her brother has to exist due to Barry having mentioned double diapers, double everything when he came back
Has everyone forgotten what happens in 2056? Barry leaves a hidden message in the Waverider for Capt. Hunter about the Dominators. This was discovered in the season 3 Flash/Arrow/Legends/Supergirl crossover, which happened AFTER Flashpoint. So Barry DOES come back, because the only way he could leave that message is for him to come back. That paper Nora showed them was dated 3 or 4 years before Barry returns. So she doesn't yet know that he comes back. I don't know why Barry is acting like he doesn't know this.
That was the timeline where iris was suppose to die, but because they changed the future that got erased. Barry in that timeline probably came back from that 2024 newspaper.
I hate how they just start the episode with them already knowing. Its just like how when they started the episode where Barry tells the team who Savitar is and they act like it’s nothing.
Future is already changed. Nora isnt their daughter she is the daughter of the original flash who is not this flash. This flash may indeed have twins Dawn and Don
@@azurequincy What do you mean by "original timeline"??... In Savitar's timeline they didn't have any children bcoz Iris died, and then they changed the future so Iris lived and Nora was born. So in the "original timeline" they didn't have any children and in this timeline they had Nora...
@@srinjoy_79 When Reverse flash killed Nora (Barrys mom) A new timeline was born. One where the flash got his powers not only a lot earlier, but where he became close friends with well...Everyone you see here. Lets call this timeline A. BUT what about the one before this? Prime Timeline:A timeline where Barry got his powers Later in life or around the same time but not a result of the Reverse flash forcing it. Harrison wells is still harrison wells and not eobard thawn, Eddie is still alive ect ect ect. The Prime timeline is basically a timeline we havnt seen...at all. All we know about it is news paper clippings and so forth. Timeline A: Eobard thawne goes back in time and attempts to kill barry in the past when he was a kid, but opts to kill his mom instead. Now he needs barry. Timeline B : Is a product of the flash changing the timeline the SECOND time by mistake. (Note there were a few changes in the TL but nothing major) Timeline C: Was Flashpoint (MAJOR CHANGES) Timeline D:Undoing Flash point (This brought a few ppl back, changed how some were born and even included the survival of Ralph and the death of Ciscos brother who wasnt did in the original 3 timelines ) Nora West Allen (XS) Is a product of the prime flashes timeline. Even though physically she is still his kid. She was raised by a different Barry, A different Iris and so on. HOWEVER! its funny to know that in the Prime timeline things are similar to this one as opposed to the pre-flashpoint time line (IE ralph being alive and cecile and joe becoming a thing. ) The prime time line differs from our current timeline D, yet in many ways its so similar...or so we have seen through bits and pieces.
There are so many versions of Barry Allen that it would not be surprising to think that the reason the flash disappeared during Crisis was due to the flash leaving the timeline to save the present and 'returning' to a timeline that had diverged from his 'original' but was undifferentiable from his own and he wound up staying there believing he was home. which he has done before. In flashpoint barry chose to stay in an entirely new timeline believing that he had changed his own by messing with the past not even considering that he more likely simply split the timeline and 'returned' to a branch.
@@uckkosova8645 the ones with powers dont always automatically mean they're the leader. Shes helped Barry keep his head in situations. And shes a journalist so she knows how to investigate...they dont always use her correctly but yeah
People out here critiqueing shows saying"UGHHHH THIS CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT........ THIS ........ ITS COMPLETELY RUINS THE SHOW....." and im just like "I just wanna watch the show in peace okay. Just enjoy it for what it is."
I could see that honestly oh my God I want that to happen so I can laugh in snowbarry fans faces I hate both of those ship fan based they are always fighting over stupid shit
@@lexi219 , Pal I watched every episode and every season's. But when I saw season 3 from the last episode, that gave me a heart attack. So yeah I did watch this show.
@@lexi219 Well, they would have found one way or other. And honestly, I hate it when she says, "We are the Flash". Like seriously?!?!! She was a journalist, and now she suddenly knows science stuff, and is the leader of Team Flash? The writer and director of this show really needs to keep their shit straight.
Saurav Anand Your response makes no sense. They literally showed that if Iris dies, Barry is so heartbroken that he pushes everyone away and stops being the Flash. They didn’t find another way - the Flash ceased to exist. And that’s the reason you think Iris should die? Lmao Barry has said “We are the Flash” to Iris multiple times as well. Should he die, too? Or are you saying that she should die bc she’s not a scientist despite being the leader, bc that’s just as nonsensical.
I have a theory, remember when Barry was in the another time something, and when he came back, he was talking about babies? So I think that Nora is frome that time lap, and she flash came back he left Nora with hers mother.
Ever since reverse flash and berry thought they went back in time 15 years back in the past. In a battle at his parents house where thawne try to kill his younger kid self but, save him and fail. Future got a him out and save away 20 blocks at his parents house. And thawne kill his mother, frame his father and went to prison we all know that much. And try to go back in the future but, lost his speed force to travel in time. And we don't know what happen to future berry but, we do now.
this show might actually be getting interesting again... finally, another intriguing character aside from Ralf. for the first time in a few years... i'm looking forward to the next episode!
Just a thought, Reverse Flash in season 1 was obsessed with keeping the time line intact, having Barry disappear in 2025. Thing is he knows that Barry vanishes stoping the anti monitor.....let's be real that's where this is all headed. So Eobard basically was insuring that Barry is a hero....the villain of the story interesting.
Team flash probably zapped future Barry Allen into the present and he never return to Nora's timeline...When Barry was zapped to the present time of the show, He wrote words like Nora. This could be a Barry Allen from the future trapped in the past. They may have thought they released him from the speedforce but maybe it's a different Barry. The Barry Allen then never return after 25 years because he's living in a different timeline. The cycle then repeat after itself like how Savitar and time revenants in season 4 where Barry trap Savitar but one time revenant stays alive and then turn to Savitar. This is my prediction XD
I love Iris's personality in the show i mean every one is complaining how she gets to act like a scientist when is not but if u pay Real attention she doesnt say big unkown scientific fact i mean i know every thing that she concluds and am no scientist she is just Smart,and for combat training sur just holds her gun arround its not like she punched black canary like felicity did once in arrow 😒😒😒
Its Amazing how out of barry and Nora to never mention Jessica Cruze in this episode Ralph needed this info Everyone did Indeed who wants someone to vannish with a 5 year feud not being able to come back for what Jessie Did
This season isn’t bad so far at least they’re not trying to shove Iris down our throats and are actually having her do something that she should’ve been able to do (being a reporter). Edit: I spoke to soon.
The problem with iris theory about changing the future is it’s a lose lose situation. Barry death saves millions undoing that has catastrophic consequences. Savitar was different as he was an aberration
don’t end up like wally beating up iris in case you didn’t know Iris got affected by the draining meta human she went alone until wally saved her which was scary and nerve wrecking for him he is in a brake up mood with jessie which i know you will be fast friends
I think this is season 3 all over again in some way, now they know Barry will be missing so Iris has to support Barry like how Barry supported her when Savitar was after her. Don't @me in a negative way it's just my point of view anyways 😊😊
so what i think is from season1 original timeline is where nora came from, because thawne was gonna kill barrys mom and barry follows thawne and then season1 barry disappears, but the timeline is still there so that means nora is from the original season1 timeline, because thats how barry is missing for over 25+ years right? so nora comes to this timeline and meets dad. simple explanation: nora came from season1 original timeline, where barry vanishes cause mom dead, and then nora come to this timeline, cause barry from season1 disappeared for over 25+ yrs
I’m assuming Joe is on leave from the police force since he and Cecile just had a baby. I don’t remember if they played that in the storyline. Cecile is also the DA, so they both gotta be on leave.
I think when Barry came back at the start of season 4, that's barry from the future. That's why he was talking about nora in diapers when he comes back before he regains sanity
if she told the truth she wouldn’t have Betrayed them she was willingly want to talk about the future until Barry made a rule to not to blurt anything about the future . he did this one time on season 3 and look what happened to Joe when wally was a cocoon and killer frost saved Barry from memory block damage knowing Zoom wanted him alive caitlin leaving the team and stole savitars stone she made mistakes too Nora don’t be like this
Basically Season 5 is going to have a lot of family WestAllen drama. Am I the only one who feels like the writers are going to set up Nora and Cisco as a couple? I don't know how I feel about that. Kinda weird out.
common dude in the future maybe he raised her like his own daughter how can they be together cisko with daughter of his best friends zero chances to happen
If I’m being honest because of all of the Barry has changed or tried to they won’t be able to change this it’s been told since the beginning of the show I would like to see it happen the show is gone for a couple years but the others mention Barry until a few year later but in the show it’s 25 or more Barry returns either way I think he needs to disappear it would make so much sense and they could make it all beautiful and emotional Can’t wait because if it’s like changing Barry’s fate like savitar it won’t be fun at all it’ll just be the same like wow how original hopefully Barry disappears it would be very interesting.
“It’s handing the future it’s own ass, and then some”. My favorite line from Flash. I love Cisco.
You're not the only one 😁😁😁😁
He’s so fucking annoying.
Cisco, must never die.
Iris is in denial about this because I don't think she can handle losing him again . That is probably why Nora is distant from Iris because growing up, her mother was really cold and not wanting to tell her about her father
Agree
Was thinking the same....And Joe telling her "the trick is to keep busy" is probably what started it all.
Edit: Bet all she did was keep busy after Barry disappeared. That's why when Barry asked about Iris after finding out he was gone, Nora was like "she wwas around" not that she was there for her.
Here's something sadder, Iris clung to the belief that Barry would come back and just wasted her days waiting, eventually becoming an emotional wreck and distancing herself from her friends and family, even her own daughter.
Shaneka Gray Joe has nothing to do with this. Iris ALWAYS keeps busy when Barry is in trouble. She becomes an autopilot workaholic robot, shutting down ANY talk of him because she will crumble from the pain and this behaviour pushes everyone away. That's exactly what she did when Barry was in that time prison. They had to free Barry behind her back because she couldn't handle the pain of even talking about it. That's clearly what happened with Nora. Iris being Iris.
I mean yeah but I mean they did change the future about iris being dead. So lowkey I’m rolling with Iris fam because like Cisco said “ handing the future it’s own ass and then some” can’t argue there right 😂
Is Joe looking more and more like a Grandpa?
I mean he technically is now
He is, and he is taking it seriously.
He even seemed to roll with it when he met his granddaughter.
Papa Joe
This whole episode Joe was only there to give Dad talks
Iris has actually kind of been through a lot.
- The death of her Fiance
- Meeting the mother who walked out on her and having her die shortly after discovering she had a brother she never knew about.
-Having Savitar constantly threaten her life and having to think she was going to die in a few months, so she had to get her affairs in order knowing that her time was limited.
- Her second Fiance and true love disappearing and her not knowing if he's alive or dead and having to suffer through that pain for 6 months.
- Learning she has a daughter from the future who wants nothing to do with her.
- And now learning her husband is gone in a few years and she and her daughter have to live possibly the rest of her life without him.
as much as I dislike her that's true also i feel kind of bad for her
@@tyukandevin8419
Well I care. And you certainly cared enough to respond.
Crazy theory : so Iris become the new Savitar. "I was broken, and alone, i wanted the pain to end".
Well if there's anything we've learned it's that Barry and Iris will never really have a normal relationship because of the life they have. She has to deal with him being gone and he has to deal with being away from her and his family.
Barry was right she’s fearless
Listen to what Joe said. "the trick is you gotta keep yourself busy." Iris took her father's advice when Barry left so she never connected with Nora for that reason. Thus it prompted Nora to go to the past to find her father. Joe gave Iris bad advice and didn't even know it.
Joe had nothing to do with this. Iris ALWAYS keeps busy when Barry is in trouble. She becomes an autopilot workaholic robot, shutting down ANY talk of him because she will crumble from the pain and this behaviour pushes everyone away. That's exactly what she did when Barry was in that time prison. They had to free Barry behind her back because she couldn't handle the pain of even talking about it. That's clearly what happened with Nora. Iris being Iris.
Iris took Advice from her father. Since he raised her, the reasonable conclusion is he's been advising her this way.
Israeli Queen That's the thing with advice, we only ever take them if we already have a predisposition to them. But be that as it may, the reason Nora is disconnected from her mother is less about her keeping busy and more about her refusing to talk about Barry, which is what she does in situations like this. Again, not Joe's fault.
I don’t think it’s Joe’s fault…
“I’m not taking you to Fiji Ralph” hah
Iris is one tough chick. I know information as bad as that would have blown me away.
Filippo Fittipaldi Hello there
Trust me it blew her away, she's just trying to be strong infornt of Barry and their daughter
Shes in denial and holding her emotions in. They’ll come out.
Pp
Itsmeharper Jacksons Hello there
Iris isn't annoying anymore.. I like it..
Dipti I love shivay&anika Parikh let’s hope it lasts
that’s ironic iris is super annoying in season 6 ahaha
@@annieravenscroft what does she do that’s annoying tho? Cause I’ll see other character do thr same same thing and no one would be complaining and it’s very obvious why
@@jennifer7317 iris is annoying for multiple reasons
Just wait
You know. I am getting a lot of Dragonball Z Trunks and Cell saga vibes in this season.
Think about it. Nora comes from the future like trunks to warn Barry about his disappearance and save him just as trunks came to warn goku of the androids attack and his death by a heart virus. An now the villain is a guy by name Cicada will steals and absorbs people's powers. Just like cell is an insect like villain and he absorbs people and the androids. Are you guys seeing this. Mind blowing.
that's cool. so the flash season 5 will be like Future Trunks/Cell & Androids saga form DBZ/ Super. also when Nora's mission is done she will go back to the Future (A new Future where Barry is still alive and he didn't disappeared.) like Trunks when he defeated the androids and Cell. Then a new villain shows up (like black goku form DB Super.) and Nora goes back to the past and Barry and team flash fight the new villain.
i like your theory
So who's gonna be Gohan then
Foreverchrist01 you’re right
Why does this feel like my comment. It's just so me
Iris finally said something that actually needed to be said. I'm getting a feeling that I will start to actually like her this season. Already, things are starting to look up for her.
What does she do wrong that the other characters have never done it’s just obvious why iris and Candice is always targeted
@@jennifer7317 well, I'm black and I don't hate Candice Patton. I love her. I think she's an amazing actress and a beautiful woman. I think Iris is annoying, redundant, and often has no purpose, especially in the earlier seasons. If they had done more than make her Joe's daughter or the love interest in the earlier seasons, I'm sure I would like her. But I don't think her character is as fleshed out as it could be, and then they act like she's supposed to be as smart as Barry, Cisco and Caitlin, when she isn't. I think the character could be better done and at the time I could see that happening.
Why is everyone hating on Iris? No one's perfect. She's going through things of her own. I mean hearing how your husband disappears for years and years and never came back is a lot to take in. In the future, she's probably like that because she can't handle the fact of losing Barry so she does all these other things to distract herself, until she crumbles. You have to think about her perspective too. Why is everyone so judgy with everything? Like goodness.
@@BTaeditS419 Exactly!
Both comments are sooo underrrated. I've been saying this to ppl for years. Iris is really sweet character. Maybe writing may be bad in a particular scene but if many ppl were in Iris position, some would've done the same thing to Nora that future Iris did. Some would still be pissed off when Barry took Nora to the future without telling her. And many more. Under the clip where Barry and Iris argued that Barry sent Nora away without saying anything, ppl were saying Iris was wrong to be mad. "Oh she isn't a speedster so she wouldn't understand" UMMM, NO! That has nothing to do with it. And I had to constantly say "If your partner made such a drastic decision for y'all relationship or for the kid y'all made together, and DID NOT CONSULT IN YOU ABOUT IT! Then you'd be just as pissed off as Iris was." They just refuse to like the character for w.e dumb petty reasoning. Iris as the mom should've at least been able to say bye being in that moment they thought Nora was in the future for good, not thinking she'd access the negative speed force.
@@BTaeditS419 More ppl need to see these comments.
I LOVE YOU IRIS YOU GO GIRL. GO SAVE YOUR DAMN FAMILY
That makes no sense the twins literally never died. They were erased of the timeline at one point but they are doing things differently than the comics. For starters Iris didn’t get transported to the future and Barry is fighting an enemy that in the comics is Wally’s. There’s gonna be twins though. Her brother has to exist due to Barry having mentioned double diapers, double everything when he came back
Has everyone forgotten what happens in 2056? Barry leaves a hidden message in the Waverider for Capt. Hunter about the Dominators. This was discovered in the season 3 Flash/Arrow/Legends/Supergirl crossover, which happened AFTER Flashpoint. So Barry DOES come back, because the only way he could leave that message is for him to come back. That paper Nora showed them was dated 3 or 4 years before Barry returns. So she doesn't yet know that he comes back. I don't know why Barry is acting like he doesn't know this.
It happend like 2 years ago pretty sure barry already forgot about that
That was the timeline where iris was suppose to die, but because they changed the future that got erased. Barry in that timeline probably came back from that 2024 newspaper.
Probs because the writers forgot
Barry wouldn't forget something like THAT.
We don't know that changing Iris' fate caused this.
I’m so glad that they told the truth early
If we never see an old Iris, especially this season that's so wrong
Javonte Burke Hello there
If iris doesn't die that's so wrong
Nawas Thani but wouldn't that pretty much cancel out this whole season
@@tastiestduck122 So you wanna cancel the show?
I agree with you 100%
I feel like at some point they will mess up the future leading to Iris having a son and not a daughter and Nora disappearing in front of them
Lol, maybe not. Perhaps they will have Nora AND a son. They're not Diggle.
How did you guess the Nora disappearing in front of them part so well...i....😨
I hate how they just start the episode with them already knowing. Its just like how when they started the episode where Barry tells the team who Savitar is and they act like it’s nothing.
Well if they change the future, bye bye Nora, shes gonna just disappear from the timeline
Future is already changed. Nora isnt their daughter she is the daughter of the original flash who is not this flash. This flash may indeed have twins Dawn and Don
So, where would nora go back, when the time comes? As, the original timeline has already vanished!
@@azurequincy What do you mean by "original timeline"??... In Savitar's timeline they didn't have any children bcoz Iris died, and then they changed the future so Iris lived and Nora was born. So in the "original timeline" they didn't have any children and in this timeline they had Nora...
@@srinjoy_79 When Reverse flash killed Nora (Barrys mom) A new timeline was born. One where the flash got his powers not only a lot earlier, but where he became close friends with well...Everyone you see here. Lets call this timeline A. BUT what about the one before this?
Prime Timeline:A timeline where Barry got his powers Later in life or around the same time but not a result of the Reverse flash forcing it. Harrison wells is still harrison wells and not eobard thawn, Eddie is still alive ect ect ect. The Prime timeline is basically a timeline we havnt seen...at all. All we know about it is news paper clippings and so forth.
Timeline A: Eobard thawne goes back in time and attempts to kill barry in the past when he was a kid, but opts to kill his mom instead. Now he needs barry.
Timeline B : Is a product of the flash changing the timeline the SECOND time by mistake. (Note there were a few changes in the TL but nothing major)
Timeline C: Was Flashpoint (MAJOR CHANGES)
Timeline D:Undoing Flash point (This brought a few ppl back, changed how some were born and even included the survival of Ralph and the death of Ciscos brother who wasnt did in the original 3 timelines )
Nora West Allen (XS) Is a product of the prime flashes timeline. Even though physically she is still his kid. She was raised by a different Barry, A different Iris and so on. HOWEVER! its funny to know that in the Prime timeline things are similar to this one as opposed to the pre-flashpoint time line (IE ralph being alive and cecile and joe becoming a thing. )
The prime time line differs from our current timeline D, yet in many ways its so similar...or so we have seen through bits and pieces.
@@azurequincy 🙄🙄🙄... Ok... Understood 👍👍... Thanks 😁😁
It makes sense for Both
Barry and Nora to tell Everyone Especially to Ralph the fact of being rased without a dad is a far worse than death
Cisco is UNDERSTANDABLY pissed
There are so many versions of Barry Allen that it would not be surprising to think that the reason the flash disappeared during Crisis was due to the flash leaving the timeline to save the present and 'returning' to a timeline that had diverged from his 'original' but was undifferentiable from his own and he wound up staying there believing he was home. which he has done before. In flashpoint barry chose to stay in an entirely new timeline believing that he had changed his own by messing with the past not even considering that he more likely simply split the timeline and 'returned' to a branch.
Bravo IRIS, that's what a leader looks like.
creolateach i like iris and all but I think it’s time for The Flash to be the leader
Cringe
@@uckkosova8645 the ones with powers dont always automatically mean they're the leader. Shes helped Barry keep his head in situations. And shes a journalist so she knows how to investigate...they dont always use her correctly but yeah
“I’m not taking you to Fiji Ralph” 😂
I would be happy, confused, and maybe freak out. But mostly happy but not like its possible.
People out here critiqueing shows saying"UGHHHH THIS CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT........ THIS ........ ITS COMPLETELY RUINS THE SHOW....." and im just like
"I just wanna watch the show in peace okay. Just enjoy it for what it is."
Bian Chang Was morning I
Bian Chang Was
Do they ever stand to think that her being there might be why he will disappear, Isn't her being there messing with time.
I feel like Cisco and Caitlin are gonna end up together at the end not that ship it
King Savage I hope not because I ship their friendship
thats what i was gonna say because Gypsy just left him and caitlin also doesn't have anyone else soo that leaves them probaly be together. but whyyyy
I hope so.
Nooooo. 😂
I could see that honestly oh my God I want that to happen so I can laugh in snowbarry fans faces I hate both of those ship fan based they are always fighting over stupid shit
I would give anything to be able to go back and meet my dad. Its why I have a love hate relationship with these kind of shows
And iris is by her dad's side
Iris always has hope . I love that girl !
This must had been the most heartbreaking thing to do to tell everyone that Barry will be missing for 25 years and never returns!!!!!!!!!!!
Cisco: I could've had my figi getaway.
Ralph staring at cisco:
cisco: im not taking you to figi ralph
I really hope that Team Flash can change the future, just like when they save Iris from Savitar and changed the future
And Killed HR! Shit, better Iris Would have died! I felt so bloody bad for HR!
Saurav Anand Did you actually watch the show? If Iris had died, there would no more Flash. So no, it wouldn’t have been better if she died.
@@lexi219 , Pal I watched every episode and every season's. But when I saw season 3 from the last episode, that gave me a heart attack. So yeah I did watch this show.
@@lexi219 Well, they would have found one way or other. And honestly, I hate it when she says, "We are the Flash". Like seriously?!?!! She was a journalist, and now she suddenly knows science stuff, and is the leader of Team Flash? The writer and director of this show really needs to keep their shit straight.
Saurav Anand Your response makes no sense. They literally showed that if Iris dies, Barry is so heartbroken that he pushes everyone away and stops being the Flash. They didn’t find another way - the Flash ceased to exist.
And that’s the reason you think Iris should die? Lmao Barry has said “We are the Flash” to Iris multiple times as well. Should he die, too? Or are you saying that she should die bc she’s not a scientist despite being the leader, bc that’s just as nonsensical.
Love the way Barry is by his daughter side
Ralph certainly looks like what the hell is going on here
I have a theory, remember when Barry was in the another time something, and when he came back, he was talking about babies?
So I think that Nora is frome that time lap, and she flash came back he left Nora with hers mother.
Awwww iris you're breaking my heart with your sad face!
Iris acts like a prick all the time so who cares
-Triton - i didn't come here to argue sooo not going to engage. Have a nice day
I even cried
Im not taking you the fiji ralph lmaoooo
Well Iris is right. Flash ended up not vanishing in crisis and stronger than ever before
They all seem stunned and confused what did happen to Barry in 2024 that made him disappear for 25 years
Battle with reverse flash
Ever since reverse flash and berry thought they went back in time 15 years back in the past. In a battle at his parents house where thawne try to kill his younger kid self but, save him and fail. Future got a him out and save away 20 blocks at his parents house. And thawne kill his mother, frame his father and went to prison we all know that much. And try to go back in the future but, lost his speed force to travel in time. And we don't know what happen to future berry but, we do now.
@@qwentingreer6793 wait what did happen to that future barry
@@hafeezasif7932 we've been asking ourselves the same question for seven years now of this series.
this show might actually be getting interesting again... finally, another intriguing character aside from Ralf.
for the first time in a few years... i'm looking forward to the next episode!
Just a thought, Reverse Flash in season 1 was obsessed with keeping the time line intact, having Barry disappear in 2025. Thing is he knows that Barry vanishes stoping the anti monitor.....let's be real that's where this is all headed. So Eobard basically was insuring that Barry is a hero....the villain of the story interesting.
Yes Iris we did
Cisco is just the right one 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nora is a daddy's girl Iris has to except that
Team flash probably zapped future Barry Allen into the present and he never return to Nora's timeline...When Barry was zapped to the present time of the show, He wrote words like Nora. This could be a Barry Allen from the future trapped in the past. They may have thought they released him from the speedforce but maybe it's a different Barry. The Barry Allen then never return after 25 years because he's living in a different timeline. The cycle then repeat after itself like how Savitar and time revenants in season 4 where Barry trap Savitar but one time revenant stays alive and then turn to Savitar. This is my prediction XD
Nora: You Die In The Future..
Literally All Of Team Flash: **INTENSE LAUGHTER** please.. this boy never dies.
beautiful
amazing. beautiful
This is how Nora started slowly killing the speedforce
Is it just me...it seems like Joe is injured or unwell in real life. This is the 1st ep I've seen him sit for almost the entire ep.
I love Iris's personality in the show i mean every one is complaining how she gets to act like a scientist when is not but if u pay Real attention she doesnt say big unkown scientific fact i mean i know every thing that she concluds and am no scientist she is just Smart,and for combat training sur just holds her gun arround its not like she punched black canary like felicity did once in arrow 😒😒😒
What is the soundtrack when Nora shows the newspaper?
Its Amazing how out of barry and Nora to never mention Jessica Cruze in this episode Ralph needed this info Everyone did Indeed who wants someone to vannish with a 5 year feud not being able to come back for what Jessie Did
This season isn’t bad so far at least they’re not trying to shove Iris down our throats and are actually having her do something that she should’ve been able to do (being a reporter).
Edit: I spoke to soon.
The flash is the best on the arrow verse
so Nora did know about her dads feud with Ralph she gave a worried look that signaled them both
The problem with iris theory about changing the future is it’s a lose lose situation. Barry death saves millions undoing that has catastrophic consequences. Savitar was different as he was an aberration
she is a Great actress. all the younger everyone other than Joe and Ralf, should take notes!
Crisis of infinite earths connected to newspaper
don’t end up like wally beating up iris in case you didn’t know Iris got affected by the draining meta human she went alone until wally saved her which was scary and nerve wrecking for him he is in a brake up mood with jessie which i know you will be fast friends
I think this is season 3 all over again in some way, now they know Barry will be missing so Iris has to support Barry like how Barry supported her when Savitar was after her. Don't @me in a negative way it's just my point of view anyways 😊😊
so what i think is from season1 original timeline is where nora came from, because thawne was gonna kill barrys mom and barry follows thawne and then season1 barry disappears, but the timeline is still there so that means nora is from the original season1 timeline, because thats how barry is missing for over 25+ years right? so nora comes to this timeline and meets dad.
simple explanation: nora came from season1 original timeline, where barry vanishes cause mom dead, and then nora come to this timeline, cause barry from season1 disappeared for over 25+ yrs
Cisco does know how to make sad times to funny
this is the best series in the world. it is the meaning of life
I’d just give up and say “Lord Jesus, I’m coming home…”
We never gave Candice enough credit for her acting, you can really feel Iris' hurt by the distance between her and Nora.
Am i the only one making the connection? Its just like in the comics barry dissapears and he comes back 25 years later.
My reaction
0:57 - Iris, you bitch!!!
1:21 - A thousand apologies for calling you a bitch, Iris. Forgive me.
I’m assuming Joe is on leave from the police force since he and Cecile just had a baby. I don’t remember if they played that in the storyline. Cecile is also the DA, so they both gotta be on leave.
I think when Barry came back at the start of season 4, that's barry from the future. That's why he was talking about nora in diapers when he comes back before he regains sanity
The opening scene was actually a cicada scene why didn’t you show that?
We should change the name of this movie into "Flash still missing"
if she told the truth she wouldn’t have Betrayed them she was willingly want to talk about the future until Barry made a rule to not to blurt anything about the future . he did this one time on season 3 and look what happened to Joe when wally was a cocoon and killer frost saved Barry from memory block damage knowing Zoom wanted him alive caitlin leaving the team and stole savitars stone she made mistakes too Nora don’t be like this
I have a feeling when Barry is supposed to vanish that Nora does instead to save him.
I love flash
Barry daughter never wants to live his side
So our heroes actually learn their lesson from Flashpoint
That all well said iris but keepin nora could course some serious damage with the timeline i think
I'm with Iris. Screw the future.
Barry you have until 2025 to get your shit together
The title shouldve said " Iris is mad at Nora and Barry"
Where was she mad? She just said it doesn’t matter we can change it. Jeez racist say anything.
Nora blocked the death of vibe
Ahhhh, if only it were that simple.
Can Cisco teleport to any country he wants though?
yes, he can go anywhere he wants, that's why he said "im not taking you to fiji"
Who’s better momma Barry and or momma Steve
I don't really know why they Always thought it would be a temporary thing.
I don’t think this one will change
Erin Cummings thats a good name
it is the best series
Basically Season 5 is going to have a lot of family WestAllen drama. Am I the only one who feels like the writers are going to set up Nora and Cisco as a couple? I don't know how I feel about that. Kinda weird out.
They might actually make a good couple. I think the writers should give it a try but they have to have a build up first. See feelings grow.
common dude in the future maybe he raised her like his own daughter
how can they be together cisko with daughter of his best friends
zero chances to happen
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SnowStormfan you mean like Daisy and Fitz-Simmons grandkid in S.H.I.E.L.D.?
I really hope that Team Flash can change the future...
Anyone notice she was plastique in smallville
If I’m being honest because of all of the Barry has changed or tried to they won’t be able to change this it’s been told since the beginning of the show I would like to see it happen the show is gone for a couple years but the others mention Barry until a few year later but in the show it’s 25 or more Barry returns either way I think he needs to disappear it would make so much sense and they could make it all beautiful and emotional Can’t wait because if it’s like changing Barry’s fate like savitar it won’t be fun at all it’ll just be the same like wow how original hopefully Barry disappears it would be very interesting.
Seriously who the fuck pays for Star Lab's bills and equipment after it was closed after the accident ? Biggest mystery ever
Doesn't iris know that the article is when reverse flash kills Barry's mom
They might had changed the future like they did with savitar and iris
But when 2056 barry left that message for rip hunter and she mentions a war coming he didnt say wich war
It was the war with the dominators. It doesn't matter, because that timeline got erased.
maybe cisco could take me to fiji
I love Cecil
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