Should I Stay At My Job Just For The Pension?

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  • @PremSteve-yg4de
    @PremSteve-yg4de 2 місяці тому +360

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      @bernisejedeon5888 2 місяці тому

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  • @ChristopherHenry2
    @ChristopherHenry2 25 днів тому +605

    I am at the beginning of my "investment journey", planning to put 85K into dividend stocks so that I will be making up to 30% per year in dividend returns. Any advice?

    • @Willi-w1q
      @Willi-w1q 25 днів тому

      Investing without proper guidance can lead to mistakes and losses. I've learned this from my own experience.If you're new to investing or don't have much time, it's best to get advice from an expert.

    • @Deboramichael1
      @Deboramichael1 25 днів тому

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      @Markphilip-r4i 25 днів тому

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      @Deboramichael1 25 днів тому

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  • @jmnthe3rd
    @jmnthe3rd 7 місяців тому +111

    Government jobs are no joke. In many government jobs, the employer contributes over 40k a year above salary towards a pension and healthcare premiums. That is coupled with extremely high long-term job security and scheduled raises. Nobody's becoming a billionaire, but if you start young and live within your means, a US government career means never having to worry much about money ever again.

    • @Xinerius
      @Xinerius 7 місяців тому +6

      Ok, FERS pension depends on your salary level. Obviously the more you make, the more they worth. But, the most amazing thing is it pays for rest your life after retirement and increases with COLA. So, for people like me who obviously gonna live forever, it's amazing. lol. If your job is killing you though, I mean... that ain't worth it.

    • @MrMopeake
      @MrMopeake 7 місяців тому +6

      I only have 7 years to go but I may take a lower paying government job that is easier because my current one is becoming much harder on my body.

    • @chrisdeming9287
      @chrisdeming9287 6 місяців тому +12

      @@Xinerius Yeah, current fed here and I like it so far. Just started back in October. The guys on the show don't seem to really understand the true job security and stability that government jobs offer. The pension is definitely nice. Almost impossible to find that in the private sector. Also, I heard you can keep your health insurance after retirement, as long as you have health insurance during the last 5 years leading up to your retirement. That's a huge perk as well.

    • @edhcb9359
      @edhcb9359 5 днів тому

      @@XineriusFERS pays 1% to 1.1% per year. Not bad, but not exactly life long security either.

  • @johntnguyen9917
    @johntnguyen9917 7 днів тому +416

    Lately, l've been reflecting on my retirement plans and questioning whether my 401(k) and IRA will ensure a secure future. Additionally, I've invested $800K in the stock market but I have experienced fluctuations and modest returns. I'm seeking an approach that matches my risk tolerance and aligns with my financial goals.

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      @JeffreyTuck-x4f 7 днів тому

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      @realisticlife647 7 днів тому

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  • @PInk77W1
    @PInk77W1 8 місяців тому +166

    I’m a high school drop out.
    Did 27y with the state.
    Retired at 56 with $2400 take home for life. Home paid off. No debt at all.
    Life is good.

    • @larriveeman
      @larriveeman 7 місяців тому

      intelligence has nothing to do with graduating high school, way to go

    • @currency2266
      @currency2266 7 місяців тому +7

      Incredible!!

    • @enigmathegrayman2953
      @enigmathegrayman2953 7 місяців тому +2

      Nice

    • @made1453
      @made1453 7 місяців тому

      Are you married?

    • @PInk77W1
      @PInk77W1 7 місяців тому +4

      @@made1453
      I was married 1983-90. Divorced ever since

  • @Combat_Medic
    @Combat_Medic Рік тому +107

    My grandparents had three pensions, two retirement accounts, two SS checks, and VA disability. They lived one of the best life’s out of all the people I know.

    • @MikeNapoli1989
      @MikeNapoli1989 9 місяців тому +5

      Good for them. They worked very hard for it and it paid off.

    • @cantgetright742
      @cantgetright742 7 місяців тому +2

      I think that’s the key. A household needs multiple incomes. 1, 2, or 4 paychecks a month doesn’t cut it. You need double that. It’s easy to save a paycheck if you don’t need it. When you’re starting at zero or below every pay period it becomes a lot harder to save. And payments only makes it worse

    • @Larry_M6790
      @Larry_M6790 7 місяців тому +7

      I thank God I stayed in the Army for 24 years. There were times I wanted to leave, but I stuck it out, and between my Army retirement and some VA disability, I'm doing pretty well.

    • @MikeNapoli1989
      @MikeNapoli1989 7 місяців тому +2

      @@Larry_M6790 same with my old man. 30 years retired army colonel.

    • @Me-eb3wv
      @Me-eb3wv 7 місяців тому +2

      @@Larry_M6790tryna be like you man. Do my 20 years and then retire.

  • @reneperron6942
    @reneperron6942 Рік тому +67

    Passion level at 8. Stay with the pension job.
    I did and have never regretted it.

  • @wickedbird1538
    @wickedbird1538 Рік тому +79

    😊😊I stayed at a government job because I went to HR to get a calculation if I stayed for 30 years. Best decision I ever made. I love my pension.

    • @theushistorian
      @theushistorian 8 місяців тому +10

      Heading into year 28 and nearing the finish line with a full pension. There were some very tough years and times I considered leaving. But overall I've had a great career doing worthy work. And so looking forward to the pension!

    • @ICG_1687
      @ICG_1687 8 місяців тому

      ​@theushistorian question for Gov jobs, if you stay in the job for ten years is there still a percentage of a pension someone would qualify for?(just got a gov job, wondering if pension or 401k should be what I invest in)

    • @wickedbird1538
      @wickedbird1538 8 місяців тому +1

      We qualify for retirement after 5 years. But my retirement plan is not available to people hired after 2007. IDK the current plan.

    • @King32028
      @King32028 7 місяців тому

      ​@@ICG_1687you get something but I'm not exactly sure of the calculation. You're vested at 5 yrs and believe it is high 3 salary average plus amount of yrs of duty times 1 percent.

    • @DWilliam1
      @DWilliam1 7 місяців тому +4

      I’m retiring next year at age 59. My two pensions will spin off about $9500 a month(I also get COLA), plus my $850K 403b(with a guaranteed fixed rate of 7%)medical costs being paid for by my union and two homes paid off. Putting in my 31 years was the best decision I ever made.

  • @ChristopherAbelman
    @ChristopherAbelman 3 місяці тому +238

    These days, I've been contemplating retirement, uncertain whether my 401(k) and IRA will ensure a secure future. I've also invested $800K in the stock market, experiencing fluctuations without substantial gains.

    • @PennyBergeron-os4ch
      @PennyBergeron-os4ch 3 місяці тому +1

      Using a 401(k) or IRA is a valuable strategy for retirement planning, providing potential savings growth and tax advantages. While the stock market is promising, expert guidance is essential for effective portfOlio management

    • @JosephineKenney
      @JosephineKenney 3 місяці тому

      Opting for an investment advisr is currently the optimal approach for navigating the stock market, particularly for those nearing retirement. I've been consulting with a coach for a while, and my portfOlio has surged by 45% since Q2.

    • @HildaBennet
      @HildaBennet 3 місяці тому

      Market behavior can be complex and unpredictable. Mind if I ask you to recommend this particular coach to whom you have used their services?

    • @JosephineKenney
      @JosephineKenney 3 місяці тому

      Go with Sonya lee Mitchell. She is the licensed manager I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment.

    • @HildaBennet
      @HildaBennet 3 місяці тому

      I searched for her name on the internet, found her page, and reached out via email to schedule a conversation. Thank you.

  • @LovesGrilling
    @LovesGrilling 7 місяців тому +16

    I only disagree with Dave on a few things. This is one of those. 50 Grand after 15 years is 1.25 million. That's not enough to retire on AND NOT WORRY.
    A pension is **for life**. You don't need to worry (as much).
    Take the pension.

  • @fortgrove3166
    @fortgrove3166 Рік тому +111

    I remained in the military for the pension and no regrets.

    • @kah4325
      @kah4325 Рік тому +16

      Same here. Full military retirement and VA disability pension for life. Was a tough life at times but no regrets. Glad I stuck it out. Deposit(s) at the end of month and benefits remind me a military pension is a beautiful thing.

    • @fortgrove3166
      @fortgrove3166 Рік тому +6

      @@kah4325 exactly. I got both as well and in my 50s; so I am fortunate that I can pay the basics each month without working. But I do work as well, investing in my Roth 401k and paying off my mortgage faster.

    • @christophernava6685
      @christophernava6685 Рік тому +6

      I was active duty USMC but couldn't stay active duty still wanted to be in my sons life so I chose to go national guard still be in his life and still get benefits only 9 years away from retirement at 20 years.

    • @airframer120
      @airframer120 Рік тому +6

      I’m about done with military after 8 years but just stuck it out to 20 just for pensions and benefits 😂 I’m glad I did… 38 years old is still young to do what I want

    • @militaryhomes6292
      @militaryhomes6292 11 місяців тому +2

      A lot of people look at the numbers for the military for the pay and forget to notice that the BAH isn't taxed. That a lot of extra money per year.
      Same with the military pension. Depending on what state you live in that Income isn't taxed.

  • @amason1979
    @amason1979 Рік тому +37

    Stay for the pension and take an even higher paying private sector job at 51 plus the pension when you can starting collecting it.

  • @shaddiegradyorielly6380
    @shaddiegradyorielly6380 7 місяців тому +29

    three months away from a government pension. did my 35 years. glad I stuck it out.

  • @snowadams696
    @snowadams696 8 місяців тому +35

    Retire in 3 yrs at age 57 with a pension from a 33 yr job. Will have Healthcare for life. Cannot wait!

    • @shaddiegradyorielly6380
      @shaddiegradyorielly6380 7 місяців тому +3

      way to go

    • @bp6877
      @bp6877 7 місяців тому +2

      If you're with the Fed, do your research; you might have to work to age 62 to keep your health insurance benefit; I, too, would e retiring at 57 if I didn't need to work until 62 to keep the health insurance benefit.

    • @snowadams696
      @snowadams696 7 місяців тому +3

      @bp6877 I am with State of Texas. I'm grandfathered into the rule of 80, however anyone hired in the last 10 yrs does have to wait until 62. Very grateful!

    • @shaddiegradyorielly6380
      @shaddiegradyorielly6380 7 місяців тому +3

      three months away from a Pennsylvania state pension. lifetime medical (without vision, dental). did my 35 years. glad I stuck it out. happy retirement.

    • @natedog1619
      @natedog1619 6 місяців тому

      @@shaddiegradyorielly6380I too work for PA. Did you do deferred comp? I have 30 years before retirement and worried my pension will be on the smaller side. Can I compensate with deferred comp?

  • @TheJimmy144
    @TheJimmy144 7 місяців тому +33

    My pension will be 75% of my final salary for the rest of my life and 100% of it can be passed to my wife. I may not make six figures here, but that income on top of my Roth 457 means a pretty secure retirement.

    • @luciaabbaticchio1500
      @luciaabbaticchio1500 5 місяців тому

      I love this!

    • @bruintoo
      @bruintoo 4 місяці тому +1

      Yep. Same here. And with 3% compounded COLA. I don’t even think I need to dip in my 457 at all.

    • @LUK0BA
      @LUK0BA Місяць тому

      ​@@bruintooI'm in the same boat, or should I say golden handcuffs.

  • @bones6554
    @bones6554 Рік тому +291

    My pension is the only reason i'm still at my job.

    • @nelsonairforce
      @nelsonairforce Рік тому +26

      Don’t leave your job

    • @InspectorApe
      @InspectorApe Рік тому

      That’s stupid, you’re limiting yourself. But maybe you just want the minimum. You probably don’t want to work. Plus pensions don’t rises with inflation.
      Good luck for retirement.

    • @bones6554
      @bones6554 Рік тому +21

      @@InspectorApe Other than SSI, what retirement does increase with infation?
      At least i don't have to depend on my 401k or SSI to fully fund my retirement. Plus i keep my health insurance until i'm eligable for medicare.
      I haven't heard of anyone complaining about that check every month.

    • @Hugo-Hernandez
      @Hugo-Hernandez 11 місяців тому

      ⁠@@bones6554
      What’s your plan if that company closes down ? Unless you work for the government. You can make a lot more money in a 401K. Like Ramsey said on his Pension VS 401K video 401k make millionaires not pension.

    • @MikeS-7
      @MikeS-7 9 місяців тому +5

      Dead on.

  • @blongshanks77
    @blongshanks77 7 місяців тому +33

    Pension jobs are priceless. Trust me I know. I work as part of a a Union for a private company that offers a fully funded pension and healthcare when I retire. They also give us a 401K with a 6% match. I plan to stay here until I’m 62, and at that point I’ll retire with a Pension, 401K, and Social Security.

    • @eddiejordan3718
      @eddiejordan3718 4 місяці тому +3

      Your using my playbook

    • @LegDayLas
      @LegDayLas 4 місяці тому +4

      Private pensions worry me. If the company goes under, so does your retirement. I would struggle to "put all my eggs in one basket" and rely on that pension to be there.
      Now, gov pensions? Hell ya I'll rely on that. The only way that pension disappears is if the gov collapses, and if that happens my retirement is the least of my worries.
      I might be a bit bias though as I'm currently vesting into a Gov pension :D

    • @Music-yq8qc
      @Music-yq8qc 3 місяці тому

      ​@LegDayLas Yes, private sector pensions are fake pensions. Government pensions are the real deal. It can never go under. They'll just increase taxes lol

    • @NROhvac
      @NROhvac Місяць тому

      Imagine investing in a Roth too

  • @janhatcher6991
    @janhatcher6991 7 місяців тому +32

    I would not give up my government job

  • @ryanshaeffer103
    @ryanshaeffer103 Рік тому +32

    Keep the pension job and invest 15 to 20% and you will be way better off!

    • @twojabyla
      @twojabyla 10 місяців тому

      And live off what ?

  • @23pinkpear
    @23pinkpear Рік тому +34

    Dave doesn’t need a pension wrong person to ask

  • @tdtfire6251
    @tdtfire6251 Рік тому +58

    Keep the pension , and medical insurance paid for is a huge benefit when you get older….

    • @gordonallen9095
      @gordonallen9095 7 місяців тому +2

      Agreed. people don't realize the peace of mind and security a defined benefit pension brings in retirement. Not to mention the health insurance benefit for federal employees. The private sector job sounds better money wise, but what if the company downsizes, gets sold or goes bankrupt? You'll end up having to start over when you could've had seniority on your federal job. One thing about the Federal Government, it's not going out of business anytime soon. For me, Job security and a guaranteed pension is priceless in an era of failing private sector jobs, and layoffs. It's like "money in the bank." Another thing to ask yourself is; can there be room for upward mobility on your federal job? you can make more money being promoted where you are presently also.

    • @mplslawnguy3389
      @mplslawnguy3389 7 місяців тому +1

      I have a pension, we don't get medical insurance when we retire. You're still on your own there.

  • @anne9358
    @anne9358 Рік тому +32

    Keep the pension. I didn’t start my pension until I was 39. With SSecurity plus my pension I will make more than my salary (which is substantial) when I retire- until I die. Benefits are amazing.

  • @larriveeman
    @larriveeman Рік тому +24

    my federal pension is 71K yearly with cola, plus SS wont take until fra plus tsp/ira wouldn't trade it, wife has ss and small fed pension also, plus I still pay for health insurance at the same rate as when I was working, it can't be beat

  • @dueydrew7172
    @dueydrew7172 3 місяці тому +4

    I agree with Mr. Ramsey about getting as much debt out of your life as possible. However, I disagree with his stance on pensions. There is a reason why the business world got rid of pensions and it wasn’t because a 401k is better for the employee.

  • @jeffreyknaub9935
    @jeffreyknaub9935 7 місяців тому +14

    Terrible advice. He likes his job. Stay for the pension. Leave at 50 with 30 years then take the pension and work for a private company. Double dip for a few years until retirement. Bad advice from Dave.

    • @94SexyStang
      @94SexyStang 6 місяців тому +3

      Yep, if you like the job, NEVER EVER leave for more money....huge mistake, I personally knew a friend who did this, and only lasted 1 year and said All the money was Not worth the extra work load!!!!

  • @marcuswashington461
    @marcuswashington461 Рік тому +126

    Love Dave...but hard to take advice about pensions from someone who will never need it! I retired at 50 loving life!!

    • @DavidHerrera-dh5ye
      @DavidHerrera-dh5ye Рік тому +1

      What did you do?

    • @javierosorio5169
      @javierosorio5169 7 місяців тому

      I’m 46 years old , I work for the city of Dallas , I get to retire at 50 years old . Sure im tired of my job , but I’m hanging in there !! 4 years to go.

    • @jeffb.4800
      @jeffb.4800 Місяць тому

      But surely the pension won't pay what you annual salary is at 50. It'll probably be 50% of the average salary of your 3 highest earning years.

  • @morrcomedy
    @morrcomedy Рік тому +108

    “Leave a union job with incalculable security and a pension and top-tier benefits for an at-will employment position” great idea!

    • @Dan16673
      @Dan16673 Рік тому +3

      Depends on pension

    • @aolvaar8792
      @aolvaar8792 Рік тому +4

      @@Dan16673 or benefits, I get lifetime family healthcare

    • @johnanderson8385
      @johnanderson8385 Рік тому +20

      They hate anything that’s unionized.

    • @gordonallen9095
      @gordonallen9095 7 місяців тому +2

      That's my take on it as well. "A bird in the hand".......

    • @jamesmooney7040
      @jamesmooney7040 7 місяців тому

      😂

  • @dibari22
    @dibari22 6 місяців тому +13

    Stay for the pension. Stay. Stay. Stay.

  • @arandompersonp9883
    @arandompersonp9883 7 місяців тому +10

    Stay with your current job, a pension in retirement is priceless.

    • @shaddiegradyorielly6380
      @shaddiegradyorielly6380 2 місяці тому +2

      62 with a state pension. just retired after 32 years. glad I stuck it out. It feels great.

  • @imveryhungry112
    @imveryhungry112 Рік тому +106

    The private sector job is going to be a lot harder than what hes doing now for sure

    • @Dan16673
      @Dan16673 Рік тому +7

      100%%

    • @JWS1985
      @JWS1985 Рік тому

      Absolutely.

    • @georgeballow7028
      @georgeballow7028 7 місяців тому +6

      Wait till things turn down at the private sector job and for the first time in your working life you face the reality of a layoff.

    • @imveryhungry112
      @imveryhungry112 7 місяців тому

      @@georgeballow7028 good point

    • @gordonallen9095
      @gordonallen9095 7 місяців тому +5

      And a lot less secure.

  • @SamuelClemente7718
    @SamuelClemente7718 Рік тому +109

    YES , YES YES . stay for the pension!!!!!!!

    • @ralphparker
      @ralphparker Рік тому +4

      Especially with a 80% satisfaction rating.

    • @thehaulmom1969
      @thehaulmom1969 2 місяці тому

      Please stay for the pension. Many of the retirees that have to go back into the workforce had a 401k and NO PENSION.
      Please keep your pension!!!🗣️🗣️🗣️

  • @ralphparker
    @ralphparker Рік тому +31

    He needs to consider all the benefits the gov't job is giving and put a value on them. There is a good chance the 40K won't cover those benefits. Paid leave, Sick leave, annual leave, controlled number of hrs of work. His 40K more position may require 90 hrs / week. He may already be eligible for a pension, he just can't get it til age 60 (or 62) = 1% x high 3 average x number of years employed.

    • @bp6877
      @bp6877 7 місяців тому

      You are correct! Dave should've also advised "working the numbers" regarding both opportunities, just as he would advise for a business deal.

    • @jeffb.4800
      @jeffb.4800 Місяць тому

      Agreed. I get 2 and a half weeks of sick time and soon to be 4 weeks of vacation each year.

  • @guillermorivas7819
    @guillermorivas7819 7 місяців тому +16

    Federal/State/City pensions of any kind equals to lifetime security. Also, contributing 10-15% of your overall income to a 457 plan (Roth or Traditional) is to ensure you'll be in a healthy retirement. Those without a pension can only wish they had that kind of security. On average, it's sad but true (as studies have shown) that those with a pension and a 457 plan can live with 90-100% of their income after retirement whereas those without a pension can only live with 60-70% of their income after retirement.
    Folks like Dave Ramsey don't like pensions because it basically goes against their conservative mantra of live with less and spend less.

    • @jeffb.4800
      @jeffb.4800 Місяць тому

      Very true. I have 15 years of service towards a government pension and have been contributing to a 457 plan the last 5 years. Plan to start a Roth when I'm 40 and build that up. Use the 457 as a bridge account so I can retire at 55 or so (if I want).

  • @charleswhite7035
    @charleswhite7035 Рік тому +40

    The people that complain about pensions probably don't have one and are envious of those that do. You can't beat the passive income and the time that you have to enjoy yourself. You can't put a price on time.

    • @VaticanTop
      @VaticanTop Рік тому +1

      I’m in a union job for 13 years and I don’t have access to my pension until 65…I don’t see a benefit to it honestly.

    • @MikeS-7
      @MikeS-7 9 місяців тому +4

      ​@@VaticanTopat 65 stinks. When the cash rolls in every month you understand the benefit.

    • @gordonallen9095
      @gordonallen9095 7 місяців тому +4

      Exactly. Going civil service after being laid off from the private sector was the BEST decision I ever made. the ONLY people who hate pensions, are those who don't HAVE one.

  • @desimo147
    @desimo147 Рік тому +165

    They don't even ask the guy how much is the pension. I'd want to know that. If he could really retire at 50 (with govt provided healthcare to boot), yeah, I'd be all over that situation. Plus, he doesn't have to worry about layoffs with a govt job. Probably more stress with the private sector job as well. Maybe a lot more.

    • @lonmidwest5363
      @lonmidwest5363 Рік тому +21

      I'm not walking away from mine.

    • @rebeccalynn7795
      @rebeccalynn7795 Рік тому +10

      if new job is tied to a local municipality then job could go bye-bye at the whim of local politics.

    • @flea4061
      @flea4061 Рік тому +3

      He doesn't know. Its a calculation.

    • @boomnailedit1609
      @boomnailedit1609 Рік тому +19

      Dave and crew don’t really talk much about military/federal jobs.

    • @LG123ABC
      @LG123ABC Рік тому +28

      I know a guy that retired from the military after 20 years and then got a civil service job doing basically the same thing for more money. He's going to be retiring from that in a few years with a pension PLUS his military pension PLUS social security.
      Yeah, I think he's going to be doing alright.

  • @coppingtonfarnham7731
    @coppingtonfarnham7731 9 місяців тому +17

    I worked in local government in various positions (in a library, but I'm not a librarian) for 34-years. I could never find a job that had comparable benefits or even pay. Good insurance and a pension. The pension is the difference between making it and not in my opinion, combined with SS and savings. The pension increases each year and will never run out. There were many times I hated the job. I also stayed because I like eating and having shelter and being able to help support my wife.... and I was adverse to the risk of moving around. I was able to retire from full-time at 60 (part-time to 62). For what I was earning, a 401k would not have been comparable in private industry.

    • @talktothehand2012
      @talktothehand2012 6 місяців тому

      May I ask what you did? I used to work at a library as well.

    • @jeffb.4800
      @jeffb.4800 Місяць тому +1

      I was a Book Stamper. When people checked out books, I would be the one who stamped the "MUST RETURN BY".
      Did that for 34 years.

    • @coppingtonfarnham7731
      @coppingtonfarnham7731 9 днів тому

      @@talktothehand2012 Audiovisual (anything related to)including A/V collection management and assisting patrons on computers...the last ten years I was in Information Technology in a support position (setting up and removing equipment, software updates, etc...).

  • @ghostlyone2
    @ghostlyone2 Рік тому +234

    This guy is about to learn all about private sector healthcare costs.

    • @michaelvan6675
      @michaelvan6675 Рік тому +5

      Christian healthcare ministries isn’t that expensive. I think I’m $750/month for whole family.

    • @1978wisper
      @1978wisper Рік тому +20

      @@michaelvan6675 that’s a whole lot. The state of missouri a fam is like $270 depending which plan you chose. As an individual I pay $70 for my public sector insurance.

    • @michaelvan6675
      @michaelvan6675 Рік тому +3

      @@1978wisper ya it’s crazy. I was quoted over $2k for standard health insurance so $750 a steal.

    • @Michael_Thomas134
      @Michael_Thomas134 Рік тому +20

      My pension took a big chunk out of every paycheck for 26 years, now that I’m retired I’m so happy to have this great pension. It would be hard to live just on it but my other investments are doing well too.

    • @JohnJohn-wr1jo
      @JohnJohn-wr1jo Рік тому +3

      What people fail to realize, HC is no different than anything else. You get what you pay for.

  • @mwolf0259
    @mwolf0259 Рік тому +23

    I’m 8 years into a pension job but I am looking to leave as soon as I’m vested (15 years) instead of staying for a full career (25-36 years). I’m burnt out and am using my remaining 7 years to go back to school for a career change while utilizing my tuition reimbursement benefit.

    • @NouNou25
      @NouNou25 Рік тому +2

      wow I didnt start my pension job yet Im still in the process. Everyone talks about how good it is but Im terrified of burnout *Police officer* I thought about going back to school now for a career change but anything but a pension scares me, especially after the pandemic.

    • @cathyvine488
      @cathyvine488 Рік тому +1

      @NouNou25 look into postal police. They are looking for postal inspectors. Might need a college degree.

    • @cathyvine488
      @cathyvine488 Рік тому

      ​@NouNou25 the post office is hiring postal inspectors

  • @mithicash1444
    @mithicash1444 8 місяців тому +17

    As someone who works in the federal government, although with much less time in, the biggest change for me from a contractor to a civil service was the piece of mind. Federal jobs are usually very secure even though the pay might not be as good as private sector. I am also single, which gives me the ability to move around for promotions. The Fed is a great place for career growth if you are mobile. Do not underestimate the quality of life you get with a steady and consistent 40hr weeks with great benefits.

    • @simongarfunkel4040
      @simongarfunkel4040 7 місяців тому

      i am finding a similar benefit in a trades union. I like what i do, there's a health plan for my whole family my whole life, and pension so i can at least feed myself in my old age is a good sheet to sleep on.
      Teachers become millionaires too. Follow Dave's baby steps and i know i'm on a good path.

    • @anthonyvanburen3998
      @anthonyvanburen3998 7 місяців тому +3

      The ideal situation is a job with a pension and additional opportunity to invest in a 401k.

    • @gordonallen9095
      @gordonallen9095 7 місяців тому +3

      Agreed. have a friend who was a federal employee that worked for the government for thirty years. In that timespan, he worked for 3 separate agencies, and was promoted 3 times. Because he was single, it was easy for him to pick up and relocate. He is now retired, and a part time science teacher at a local school. Not because he needs the money, but because it's something he always wanted to do. Plus he says it keeps him from being bored. His health insurance benefits are some of the best I've seen for retirees anywhere, I'm envious.

    • @mplslawnguy3389
      @mplslawnguy3389 7 місяців тому

      @@anthonyvanburen3998 Employers (govt or otherwise) typically aren't going to give you a match for a 401K, 403b or 457b if they're already giving you a pension, so the opportunity to save outside a pension is there, regardless if it's private or government. The benefit of a 457b is there are no age restrictions, you can withdraw upon retirement.

    • @anthonyvanburen3998
      @anthonyvanburen3998 7 місяців тому

      @@mplslawnguy3389 You are correct not a 401k. However Government (Federal civilian and military) employees receive both a Thrift Savings Plan (TSP) with percentage match and a pension. The amount and type of pension varies but it still exists within the government.

  • @richthepup
    @richthepup Рік тому +39

    There’s a reason most people don’t have pensions anymore, look carefully at the numbers. It may be something to hold on to

    • @mplslawnguy3389
      @mplslawnguy3389 7 місяців тому +1

      401ks can be good too, but you have to start early and get a healthy match. 35 is getting a little late in the game to start one from scratch and expect to exceed the value of a pension. Dave is really giving bad advice here.

    • @jeffb.4800
      @jeffb.4800 Місяць тому +1

      He'd still be able to collect a pension with 15 years of service though. Probably like 36k a year rather than 70k.

  • @mrchyzy16
    @mrchyzy16 Рік тому +32

    No, you stay for the pension. Worst advice I have ever heard out of his mouth...If pensions were so bad, every politician would be the first ones to give them up. Pensions have all the upside. You will run out of your 401k money before my pension ever runs out. Im all for chasing the money but 50k a year is not worth it enough to lose a pension over.

    • @amgooder
      @amgooder 6 місяців тому

      Oh if he had said he was getting a politician's pension Dave would have said stay with pension right away!!!!😂 their pensions are triple of what any good paying job pays.

    • @peterrose5373
      @peterrose5373 5 місяців тому

      depends how long until you're fully vested: put away an extra 50K a year for 15 years, and you won't NEED a pension, especially if the new job has matching of any kind.
      You shouldn't just wave your hands and guess at general principles. You should sit down with a spreadsheet and do the damn math.
      Three times: Pessimistically, optimistically, and most likely.

    • @LegDayLas
      @LegDayLas 4 місяці тому +1

      As someone with a gov pension, strong disagree. I could have done far more with an extra 50k a year to compound in value over just getting 60-70k a year during retirement. Yes, the pension pays out forever... I'm not going to live forever.
      Disclaimer- this is in no way meant to defame pensions, I love mine. But if I was offered 50k MORE yearly salary I would take that in a heartbeat. It's not like his pension disappears anyway, he put 15 years into it, he is vested and will still get a pension till death, just a lesser amount. Don't let a pension hold you back from making positive financial moves.

  • @TheReviewPigeon
    @TheReviewPigeon 2 місяці тому +4

    My pension is the only reason i'm still at my job. That guaranteed money for life hits different than me being concerned about the stock market destroying my 401k/457b. Just max out your retirement and coast until you're fully vested. Too easy

  • @SaL-ep7zb
    @SaL-ep7zb 6 місяців тому +5

    I work for the fed too and I'm 35 as well and I wouldn't leave the fed for many reasons. #1 Job stability, #2 Max Telework schedule #3 Great Pension, #4 Work-life balance is great, #5 I get so much leave I'm able to spend so much time with family and take vacations every year. The private sector is worst since they can easily fire you.

  • @Casey-summer
    @Casey-summer 3 місяці тому +6

    More and more people might face a tough time in retirement. Low-paying jobs, inflation, and high rents make it hard to save. Now, middle-class Americans find it tough to own a home too, leaving them without a place to retire.

    • @sloanmarriott5
      @sloanmarriott5 3 місяці тому +1

      The increasing prices have impacted my plan to retire at 62, work part-time, and save for the future. I'm concerned about whether those who navigated the 2008 financial crisis had an easier time than I am currently experiencing. The combination of stock market volatility and a decrease in income is causing anxiety about whether I'll have sufficient funds for retirement.

    • @mellon-wrigley3
      @mellon-wrigley3 3 місяці тому +1

      This is precisely why I like having a portfolio coach guide my day-to-day market decisions: with their extensive knowledge of going long and short at the same time, using risk for its asymmetrical upside and laying it off as a hedge against the inevitable downward turns, their skillset makes it nearly impossible for them to underperform. I've been utilizing a portfolio coach for more than two years, and I've made over $800,000.

    • @lilyhershey1
      @lilyhershey1 3 місяці тому

      ​ *@mellon-wrigley3* That does make a lot of sense, unlike us, you seem to have the Market figured out. Who is this consultant?

    • @mellon-wrigley3
      @mellon-wrigley3 3 місяці тому

      "Gertrude Margaret Quinto" is the licensed advisor I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment

    • @Buffet-walton22
      @Buffet-walton22 3 місяці тому

      Insightful... I was curious about her, so I looked her up online. I discovered her website, and I must say that she seems knowledgeable. I sent her an email outlining my goals. I appreciate you sharing.

  • @JohnJohnson-oh4zn
    @JohnJohnson-oh4zn Місяць тому +3

    Think twice before giving up your
    - Federal tenure, that makes you immune to fire.
    - Federal vacation accrual. At 15 years you're getting 2.5 days / month. That's a lot. SL and AL.
    - Federal Pension and 401k
    - Federal job training opportunities
    - Ability to not have to make anyone a profit
    Love and kindness to all beings.

  • @0mnilegacy
    @0mnilegacy Рік тому +52

    I knew someone who switched and got layoff shortly after. The individual couldn't go back to his old GS job because it was already filled and the replacement got almost the salary the individual left for. Stated worst decision in their life.

    • @TheFlyingZulu
      @TheFlyingZulu Рік тому +3

      This is what makes people go postal... Holy smokes I would have a hard time dealing with that...

    • @mithicash1444
      @mithicash1444 8 місяців тому +3

      Yup. Going from a low pay contractor to a medium pay GS was the best decision I ever made. I am also single in a field where boomers are starting to retire. I can move anywhere in the US for any promotion as long as I know my job. The security and regularity of a federal job is SO good for someone like me who never had a stable environment in the past. People don't value security until they get hit hard

    • @King32028
      @King32028 7 місяців тому

      ​@@mithicash1444 sounds somewhat like what's going on with my agency

  • @mmcgahn5948
    @mmcgahn5948 7 місяців тому +5

    I’d stay at the public job with the pension. You can always go to a private sector job in 15 years when you have your 30 years in and you will then have two sources of income.

  • @nnodw7721
    @nnodw7721 6 місяців тому +6

    Dude, your government job pension is 80% of your highest salary for life. Meaning if he makes 100k he will bring home a pension of 80k for life.

    • @azikiwe12
      @azikiwe12 2 місяці тому +1

      Well it depends on what years tier you are in. In my job the old people get 80%. But for us younger ppl its now 60%. Still great though!

    • @selflessman
      @selflessman 3 дні тому

      Coming from someone who retired with 37 years of federal government service, and who collects SS, this isn't true for federal government jobs, especially since CSRS was replaced by FERS, Social Security, and the TSP in 1986. Even though CSRS got a higher pension, they didn't pay into SS, which means they didn't qualify for SS. Although FERS got a smaller pension, they paid into SS, plus they were offered the TSP, the federal government's version of the 401K.
      With CSRS replaced by FERS, the only way you will come out with 80% or higher, is if you invest in the TSP early or put a lot of money in it, or both. Unfortunately, without the TSP, FERS pensions comes out to nowhere near 80%...not even half. For example, 30 years of service will get you around 30%. When you include SS, then you're looking at closer to 80%, but don't quote me..that depends on how long you worked. Then when you include the TSP, depending on how much you put in it, you could be looking at 80% or higher. But like the 401K, the TSP has its ups and downs as well, plus most people don't start putting in enough until it's too late, like myself. But I knew I had the pension and SS to look forward to. With the house paid off, and no debt, I'm living pretty comfortable of my pension and SS, although I think I would have came out better under the CSRS. And although the COLAs don't really match inflation, they make a big difference to your pension in the long run. How I know? I've been retired for 18 years. Because of my added up COLAs, I get around $30,000 more to my annual pension to date, which will increase each year as long as I get a COLA. If I didn't get my COLA's over the years, my pension would be $30,000 a year less.
      Another thing. If you work until 62, you get 1.1 of your high three salary. Under 60, you still get 1.0 percent of your high three salary. It may not sound like much, but that 1.1% means a 10% raise on your pension for the rest of your life.

    • @selflessman
      @selflessman 3 дні тому

      @@azikiwe12 If you're talking about the older employees under CSRS, and the newer employees placed under FERS since 1986, then I can relate, since I was one of those who started in 1986. Well, six months of my service was under CSRS before they switched me over to FERS, for whatever difference that made. I didn't think CSRS got 80%, but when I think back, I believe that's what they were getting. I was so blind, I thought I was going to get 80%. And being young, I thought 80% wasn't enough, since at the time, I thought I would still have a mortgage. I didn't even realize how much lower the percentage was under FERS. But the SS helps a lot.
      The employees who came in when they first switched over to FERS in 1986, the same time they started the TSP, would have about 38 years, if they kept working. I went out on FERS Disability in 2006. So I have no ideal how those who invested in the TSP came out when they retired. The hopes were high when the economy was booming. Since the crash, I'm not sure how it worked out for them, but I know their small FERS pension and their SS, help them fill in any gaps. If you were at least a GS 12, you could retire overseas, and live like a king. You could do well here in the states too, if you were able to knock off your mortgage. I wouldn't want to be living of a pension, and still paying a mortgage, or especially rent. Those two factors alone, can determine whether or not you can afford to retire,
      especially if you're single.
      When I was forced out on FERS Disability, something you also have to get a lawyer to win if you're denied, I got 40% of my high three salary. That was good compared to the percentage FERS pays to non-disability pension receivers. It would take them 40 years to get 40%. But SS messed me up by constantly denying me SSDI, which would have brought me up to about 60%. But because all this went down in 2006, and becasue I'm single, I was able to sell my house, take the equity, relocate, and buy a house in the South, paid in full. That's how I was able to live of of only 40%. When I turned 62, I started getting SS. I'm putting away most of that money.

  • @jackies7218
    @jackies7218 Рік тому +22

    Do what you need to do to get that pension. It's worth it. You will be glad you did.

    • @DoctorSmartyPants
      @DoctorSmartyPants Рік тому

      He already has earned the pension, no matter what he does now.

  • @noname75013
    @noname75013 Рік тому +22

    Dave should teach him how to value the pension and then determine if the pay bump would allow him to save enough to replace the pension.

    • @gordonallen9095
      @gordonallen9095 7 місяців тому +1

      He didn't even ask him how much his projected pension payments might be. In the "long run" it might be as much or more than what the private sector offered him.

  • @eastcoastbiker7031
    @eastcoastbiker7031 Рік тому +69

    Stay with the Pension Job. You will like that nice check every month w/out ever leaving your house. Use Dave's principles and build wealth along the way. You will not regret it. I retired 11yrs ago at age 46 with a nice pension with health benefits. Although, the job and people I worked with may not have been ideal at times I'm so glad I stuck it out. 50yoa is not too old to do whatever it is you want to do. You will own your time. Can't put a price on that.

    • @kerryp7014
      @kerryp7014 Рік тому +4

      But you're probably dirt poor too

    • @Omar_Facio
      @Omar_Facio 11 місяців тому +2

      Can that really be called a life? Yuck

    • @angieharris8015
      @angieharris8015 10 місяців тому +5

      @@kerryp7014 How, exactly, is he dirt-poor? (if you're talking about eastcoastbiker). At the very least, he will have NO healthcare costs; that's a savings right there.

    • @beatricerights
      @beatricerights 7 місяців тому

      @@kerryp7014 My Nyc teacher's pension will be 70k plus free health care at 55. This is in addition to a guaranteed 7% interest on my 750k 403B which I hope I can grow to a million dollars. A pension does not mean poverty. Many NYC teachers have a million dollars in their 403B.

    • @simongarfunkel4040
      @simongarfunkel4040 7 місяців тому

      having good health benefits in your retirement is a is important. it will become more important to everyone here as they get older, and they see their family get older too.

  • @mbpark270
    @mbpark270 6 місяців тому +8

    Dave is severely wrong here. They have no idea what his pension even is per month.

  • @sophiafunworldatthepark6740
    @sophiafunworldatthepark6740 8 місяців тому +27

    My friend work for the Texas government and received the TRS pension. He got an offer like 30000 more. He moved to the private sector. If he stayed for the TRS pension, it will be better for him. He always think, the private sector is paying more but at the end you don't save more.

    • @michikoiesaka3365
      @michikoiesaka3365 7 місяців тому

      I agree with you the pension is great Dave is wrong here bad move if this guy goes. I know I get the pension and the 401k and am a millionaire

    • @michikoiesaka3365
      @michikoiesaka3365 7 місяців тому +2

      The pension is worth almost 2 million dollars Dave is wrong here. Dave you gave up 2 million dollars for 750,000 dollars. After 30 years you get about an 80k pension including social security. In addition you get the 401k. I would give up 40k a year for 15 years for this.

    • @Music-yq8qc
      @Music-yq8qc 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@michikoiesaka3365 Not to mention he can get fired tomorrow in that private sector job for coughing wrong

    • @jeffb.4800
      @jeffb.4800 Місяць тому

      750,000 invested well could easily turn into 3 million in 15 years.

  • @happycampers6592
    @happycampers6592 Рік тому +8

    Horrible advice without knowing all the finer details. $750,000 after taxes is ~$600,000. The present value of a decent pension could easily match that, or surpass it. Plus, the possibility of better insurance now and in the future. Probably more stability in current job too. His current entire benefits package needs consideration. What are the odds that he will save ALL of the increase in pay? This is America, the land of consumers. More than likely, he'll increase his standard of living and save very little.

  • @patrickfurlong9169
    @patrickfurlong9169 8 місяців тому +12

    I took job 25 years ago for the pension and benefits.

  • @CarrieV9
    @CarrieV9 Рік тому +11

    Stay with the pension job you love. Private sector is more competitive and is fickle.

    • @gordonallen9095
      @gordonallen9095 7 місяців тому

      Working civil service vs. "at will." I've done BOTH. Give me civil service EVERY time.

  • @fredericksalyer3304
    @fredericksalyer3304 Місяць тому +3

    48 year old retired Police Officer. 5,500 per month, with free family medical, for life. If you're more than halfway to your pension, you should stick it out. I feel like I won the lotto!

  • @dc76384
    @dc76384 Рік тому +5

    I'd look at stability. The government isn't going anywhere. The private sector is a roll of the dice.

  • @amgooder
    @amgooder 6 місяців тому +7

    No brainer😂 STAY WITH PENSION...unless your filthy rich like Dave.

  • @Primitive_Code
    @Primitive_Code Рік тому +92

    He's keeping his old job. Pension is a good asset.

    • @jeffmiesen
      @jeffmiesen Рік тому +6

      @Mac Yeah, but nobody stops you from doing both.

    • @LG123ABC
      @LG123ABC Рік тому

      Pensions can go away plus a pension dies when you die. You can pass your assets on to your heirs.

    • @aolvaar8792
      @aolvaar8792 Рік тому +4

      @Mac My former employer pays $3000/mo for Lifetime Family Healthcare + pension.
      It allows you to retire young, not waiting for Medicare.
      I left a $130K/yr job, for $65K/yr gov't job doing the same thing.
      20 years needed
      My daughter will retire in her mid 30's, Never to work Again

    • @aolvaar8792
      @aolvaar8792 Рік тому +2

      @Mac A $100K/yr pension, I didn't need "other investment vehicle growth"

    • @enigmathegrayman2953
      @enigmathegrayman2953 Рік тому +1

      @@jeffmiesen
      I agree

  • @arabellamuller2461
    @arabellamuller2461 Рік тому +16

    May Almighty God heal the Affected, Create job for the jobless , pave way for us all And make this year a Great and memorable one Amen.

    • @arabellamuller2461
      @arabellamuller2461 Рік тому

      If you want your 2023 to be better. Now is the best time to set some funds aside and invest it. It will help you creat a passive income and save you from the unexpected. Started my investment journey since 2014 and God has really blessed my with good returns.

    • @brentolson5552
      @brentolson5552 Рік тому

      Wish you all the best

    • @francisvelazco7501
      @francisvelazco7501 Рік тому

      I’m really so interested in starting something for myself but the problem has always been not knowing where to start. What kind of investment would you advise? And what is the best way to follow it?

    • @arabellamuller2461
      @arabellamuller2461 Рік тому

      @@francisvelazco7501 I'm a single mother living in CA. Been working so hard so I can retire at 50 if things keep going well for me. Bought my first condo this month and I can't be more proud than I am right now. I'm so glad I made good decisions about my finances that changed me forever.

    • @ElizabethRow
      @ElizabethRow Рік тому +1

      @@arabellamuller2461 Wow God bless you more and more, it's never easy to be a single mother and still beating the odds, I'm a victim so I know how it works ..

  • @williamschramm2761
    @williamschramm2761 8 місяців тому +7

    The benefits of the government job (health care costs ,vacation time, leave of absence and security) were not mentioned in this conversation.

  • @sadieesther9721
    @sadieesther9721 Рік тому +53

    The golden handcuffs 😩😩 I’m in the same situation

    • @MikeS-7
      @MikeS-7 9 місяців тому

      Patience, my friend, the reward is coming. Stay hungry and seek promotions and grow that pension. I can retire with my pension any time but the best time is in 2-3 years. Between that and SS, I don't need to touch investments. Estate planning becomes critical after that. Pick your trust type and execute.

  • @rickm8456
    @rickm8456 Рік тому +9

    Grass is always greener on the other side. Stay and enjoy the pension. Dave has never liked pensions.

  • @mrjack8849
    @mrjack8849 7 місяців тому +3

    Currently working for a state with a pension. They take 10% pre tax every paycheck for the pension. My monthly pension payment estimate is supposed to be about 60% of my last 5 years average salary, for life after I retire. So if my salary averages $4500/mo during my last 5 years, then I make about $2700/mo from the pension, plus SS, plus any existing IRA’s/401k’s I have…also add on they will pay for my health insurance for life and half of my wife’s insurance. No, I don’t control any of that pension money though, and my wife gets a small lump sum or continued monthly payments up to 10 years. And if I leave my state job, most of that pension is left behind. If you’re making 6 figures early in life and contributing to a 401k/IRA early in life, a 401k is good. If you’re making less early on or saving late, a pension may be a good way to help shore up retirement funds. The point is, always be putting money away whether you have a pension or not…and do it as early in life as possible.

  • @DUNCEATRON5000
    @DUNCEATRON5000 Рік тому +12

    A pension is awesome . Why not stay

  • @cantgetright742
    @cantgetright742 Рік тому +31

    I'd keep the job. The gooberment is going to still be in business in 20 years

  • @Anne-qj6xo
    @Anne-qj6xo Рік тому +62

    I retire next month after 39 years with a state job. Sometimes the job was difficult, but the insurance was good and inexpensive and leave time generous. Pay not the best but with a full pension and a lump sum, I am so glad I stuck it out. Taking early SS and that + my pension is as much as I make now. I don't have to worry about my ira losing money and the negative ROR this year, and probably next year too.

    • @donjohnson1416
      @donjohnson1416 Рік тому +2

      LOL!! Your pension lost compared to an IRA but good for you being happy with what you got. Doesnt make a pension better than doing an IRA yourself nice try

    • @Anne-qj6xo
      @Anne-qj6xo Рік тому +14

      @@donjohnson1416 I never could have saved as much as I am getting in a pension. I did not even put into it. It was part of my benefit packet. Based on what my skill set and career choice was, I could have worked for a private company with not much better pay and certainly not the job security I had to make it 39 years. For some, the old fashion pension just can't be beat. And by the way, my IRA I contributed to is so losing money. I am so glad for my defined benefit and that I don't need to dip into my IRA at this time.

    • @FluffyBunnySlippers
      @FluffyBunnySlippers Рік тому +15

      Pension all the way. Ramsey wrong here

    • @DLTJR1959
      @DLTJR1959 Рік тому +3

      @@donjohnson1416 LOL...My state funded pension is more than what my wife and I both make in SS...A lot more...I had a great 30 year career teaching at our local community college that folk would die for...And when I die she still draws the pension...When we get Medicare our insurance is $8 per month for a 90/10 plan over basic Medicare...

    • @bigtoeknee11
      @bigtoeknee11 Рік тому +5

      Good for you cingratz I'm in a similar position w 35 years n 2 more to ho my pension will be just as much as my base pay + full medical a no brainer

  • @vinniephillips452
    @vinniephillips452 7 місяців тому +4

    I stayed with my job for 21 years only for the pension (which also receives a 2% COLA annually) and the life time medical. When social security kicks in it’ll be smooth sailing from that day forward!

    • @Fer-jd5fh
      @Fer-jd5fh 6 місяців тому +1

      Life expectancy is 76 in the US I’m just saying

    • @vinniephillips452
      @vinniephillips452 6 місяців тому +1

      ⁠that’s why I’m taking SS at 62

  •  6 місяців тому +2

    I make 150K plus a year dislike my job but I’m staying around for the pension, I’m retiring in six months and will have a $69,000 year pension with health insurance and 401K, TAKE THE PENSION

  • @davidrice6724
    @davidrice6724 6 місяців тому +4

    I never had a realistic choice between a pension and very well paying job without one....but I did retire with a State defined pension and health benefits. No regrets at all... Being that I am terrible with money....a defined pension benefit would have been my only solid option anyway 😊.... Also, retired at 55...so at 62, I will also be social security eligible. Pension all the way!

    • @shaddiegradyorielly6380
      @shaddiegradyorielly6380 2 місяці тому +1

      62 with a state pension. just retired after 32 years. glad I stuck it out. It feels great.

  • @johndavid9696
    @johndavid9696 7 місяців тому +3

    Stay with Government, don’t listen to these guys.

  • @ryanmaris1917
    @ryanmaris1917 8 місяців тому +5

    It’s an extra $750,000 over 15 years without raises/bonuses. I would be weighing that against the pension, the pension might be more valuable, especially since it sounds like the guy is doing alright financially.

    • @Music-yq8qc
      @Music-yq8qc 3 місяці тому

      He can literally get fired the next day in the private sector. In the government, you have to count the pension contribution from the employer (government l), paid sick days, vacations, etc. All those should count regarding your salary

  • @chuysontest4425
    @chuysontest4425 Рік тому +6

    I’m 32 years old now, I’ve been working for the government since I was 22, I work for the county, our job you can retire after 30 years, so I will be 53 years old , I’m gonna crunch the number right now lol

  • @funwithfood7451
    @funwithfood7451 7 місяців тому +3

    Don’t take that new job at the private sector I worked in the private sector, and you have a whole lot better chance of being let go either considering a layoff or firing just as the wind blows. There’s a reason why the private sector is the private sector and the federal government position with the pension is what it is the two will never meet. The private sector is inferior to the federal government position. Don’t be greedy and look at the future because the future could turn around And drop you like a rock being an At-Will position when the profits aren’t there and you being the new man you’re the first one to go, you’re in a federal job pension you have five more years I believe, and you will have Insurance coverage once you are fully vested at no cost to you. I have a supervisor that has been with the company for 35 years and he just retired. He will have no worries he has over $1 million in his pension do not take that private sector job if you’re 35 years old and you’ve got to find something new, then I would suggest keeping your job as a federal consumer service agent and make your job new to you. Look for things in your job that excites you and build on that don’t get all googly eyed over the carrot dangling in front of you cause that carrots sometimes is rotten inside.

  • @SledgeHammer99
    @SledgeHammer99 Рік тому +10

    Sounds like the question every single police officer in this country asks themselves

  • @joeschmoe5231
    @joeschmoe5231 2 місяці тому +2

    Everyone works just for the pension. Thats the only way to survive as a senior citizen without going on welfare.

  • @ryankiel4895
    @ryankiel4895 Рік тому +9

    This reminds me of half the guys who work at the VA and stay there just for the retirement, even though they would double their income working on the outside. You never live long enough to make the retirement worth it.

    • @theushistorian
      @theushistorian 8 місяців тому +2

      Not so. I know people who retired at 50s with full pensions who are now in their mid-70's and 80's....much better than working until you die because the IRA and SS isn't cutting it.

  • @MatthewEdwards-bd7uo
    @MatthewEdwards-bd7uo 9 місяців тому +5

    I have a pension and I’m in the private sector, I also have dividends from the stock market and I’m only 35.

    • @Music-yq8qc
      @Music-yq8qc 3 місяці тому

      Private sector pensions are fake pensions. Try to get into the government.

  • @clb24
    @clb24 3 місяці тому +1

    I was kind of onboard for 100% no tolerance for credit cards...
    But 100% no tolerance for pensions is a bit much.
    No one I've ever met regretted getting a pension.

  • @SunshineFL
    @SunshineFL Рік тому +4

    You can retire after 20 years with.a pension where I work for the county government. I will be 55 and retired with over 25 years and I’m young enough to do something else if I. Chose to but I don’t need too.

  • @agoogleuser9218
    @agoogleuser9218 Рік тому +5

    I'm staying in my current job for that very reason. It's an easy, relatively stress-free government job that I can retire from in a few years with a decent (not lucrative) monthly check.

  • @christopherhennessey8991
    @christopherhennessey8991 Рік тому +5

    I say, ride it out and try to get your pension.

  • @johnussery3386
    @johnussery3386 7 місяців тому +3

    Keep the job with the pension. They are rare and becoming extinct. Also, when the economy tanks (and it eventually will), you will be the last to get laid off while the private sector reacts quickly. Plus, the benefits (vacation, sick leave, medical, dental, etc...) from a Federal job are great. Invest more, save more. It's not what how much you make, it's what you do with it.

  • @Every14days826
    @Every14days826 7 місяців тому +2

    You know what’s better than a pension? Multiple pensions. Keep that pension, secure another one to go with it!

  • @kwqd54
    @kwqd54 Рік тому +5

    First of all, why didn't they ask specifics about his pension? How much will it be, is there a COLA, etc.?
    He could always find a new private sector job at 50 with his pension locked in and it would be a core, unchanging part of his retirement portfolio, not subject to economic factors. Also, in my state there is no tax on pensions.
    I am using my pension as a bridge to collecting Social Security at 70 and then to my 401K at 73. My company, State Farm, dropped their pension plan a few years after I retired, and then outsourced their entire IT department to an Indian company few years after that. At one time, State Farm seemed bullet proof, but that all changed pretty quickly. If can get a decent government pension, go for it.
    Also, the private sector is typically less secure than a government job.
    I think they blew this one.

  • @dgknapp
    @dgknapp Місяць тому +1

    The private sector also increases his risk of being downsized, laid off, or fired, by 100%.

  • @hcrystalh
    @hcrystalh Рік тому +22

    C’mon tommy. No one wanted to “remove the money out of the conversation.” This isn’t a happiness advice show. It’s a money show.

  • @Shell2014
    @Shell2014 Рік тому +5

    Most people will spend the extra monies they earn, with pension company pays on your behave and you will forsure have it, plus health insurance the rest of your life

  • @larriveeman
    @larriveeman Рік тому +5

    the value of a pension, lets say you have a 60K federal pension with cola and 50% survior benefit, and lets say you use a typical withdrawal rate of 4%, the value of the pension is 60K/.04 = 1.5 million, that only stops when you and spouse die, that's hard to beat, and you get health insurance at the same rate as when working

  • @94SexyStang
    @94SexyStang 6 місяців тому +2

    Everyone I know with pensions made out good! I like my state job too....i honestly dont know if I could go back to a regular non union job, i love my medical benefits and tons of paid days off....we have tons of leverage, its nice.

  • @LightofBankai
    @LightofBankai 3 місяці тому +1

    One thing I realize is that people are not disciplined in managing their own retirement fund. I also realize that private companies can file for bankruptcy. A city, county, state, federal government can’t.

  • @1111_Millionaire
    @1111_Millionaire 6 місяців тому +2

    Stay at the pension job and look for a higher grade in the government! The private sector is cut throat you may stay there for 6 months then lay you off!

  • @pokeballztime1936
    @pokeballztime1936 10 місяців тому +6

    Higher Healthcare cost, higher turnover, and more stress. That’s what private sector has for you. I understand what Ramsey said here by make your own retirement but to these companies you’re a pawn. And they lore you in with high starting salary’s then drop you. For context I’m an electrical/computer engineer working for a city owned power company with one hell of a pension plan, 8 out of 10 with my job as well.

  • @buddyterry950
    @buddyterry950 6 місяців тому +3

    It's the same bullshit anywhere you go. Might as well get a pension job so you can be kicked back in the recliner and "pinch" yourself when that pension checks hit every month.

  • @keithclark8030
    @keithclark8030 Рік тому +6

    Maybe if he's going to work for a private company, but don't work for a public company. This guy has a state job or a federal job and probably doesn't realize how good he has it. Don't get me wrong people working with state or federal jobs do work hard, very hard, but the private sector is not the best decision.

  • @MikeS-7
    @MikeS-7 9 місяців тому +3

    It's pension and HEALTH INSURANCE. The assumption is you will bank all that extra money and you likely will not. If you have a job offer letter, see if you can use that to get a bump in salary. They won't match your raise as it is to high, but you could get a nice increase. At 50, you can take your pension and retire or transition into the private sector for 10-12 years.
    You can go for the sure thing or go for gold. I am more conservative so it is a no brainer to go for the sure thing.

  • @kendrickf-d6695
    @kendrickf-d6695 6 місяців тому +1

    I hate when they ask if you enjoy the work. Not all of us are excited about work at all. And there is nothing wrong by being motivated by money.

  • @chrisdeming9287
    @chrisdeming9287 6 місяців тому +3

    These guys really aren't the best people to be bouncing this stuff off of. I don't think they've ever held a government job, so pensions and all the other benefits that come along with a government job are foreign concepts to them. Probably best to ask someone who has worked in both the private sector and the government, and is either retired from government already or heading toward retirement.

    • @JudePi-jx7yo
      @JudePi-jx7yo 5 місяців тому

      They know the math. Government workers who don't know how to save over-estimate the value of their pensions. Though having the risk on the employer is nice it can all disappear so better in your bank anyway

  • @RNAvirus
    @RNAvirus 8 місяців тому +4

    I am a nurse, employed by a state government. I make as much, if not more, with the State than I would in the private sector. I also really like my job.
    I am looking forward to my pension and also invest the most I can. I could not get a private sector Jon that offers me what the State dose. I also doubt my job stratification would be the same.
    I started my career trying to be a police officer. Out of high school I had retirement on my mind. I wanted a government pension job. My brother went private sector, insurance adjuster, route. He has worked his way up and make more than I do. He has also made a few good investments. When we get to retirement age I thunk he might be "better" off, but I know I will not be hurting. You can do just fine private sector. If we live to 100, then I think I would surpass him.

    • @BamMilg
      @BamMilg 3 місяці тому

      Your very cute and smart.