Why Xeno Goku VS Nasuverse Isn’t Close
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2023
- In this video, I go over who would win between Xeno Goku, the sudo composite Goku from Dragon Ball Heroes, or Saber, Gilgamesh, Or Void Shiki from the Fate/Nasuverse. All of these are super hyped up and in this video I put them against eachother to determine the true winner. Xeno Goku VS Fate. Watch till the end to find out who wins!!
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Deku slams all 4.
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Yes in terms of cringe he wins but in terms of everything else no.
Deku ain’t beatin yuko Ozawa 🗣🔥
@@jackking6191 Deku is extraversal
@@supreme_doge_yt7509 who? Deku victim 🤣🤣
I don’t know much about Fate, but my lord, Fate’s got some absolutely crazy scaling. Even as a Dragon Ball fan, I’m surprised by Fate as a whole, truly fascinating.
fate verse is outerversal or high outerversal at max
@@Abrold Is Apeiron
@@Abrold when you play the games you will see even more bullshit like one of the most less relevant servants are doing outerversal feats.
@@Abroldand dragon ball is 6D at best
@@Abroldhuh
Wasn't xeno goku doing most of these insane feats in base? Doesnt that mean when he transforms into higher levels of super Saiyan his feats would get way higher?
multipliers are a bit unquantifiable in terms of dimensionality, all we know is that it obviously makes him hundreds to thousands of times stronger depending on the transformation.
@@ToasterXD yo why didnt you mentinon the charisma world,sdbh irl japan in the qnd super dimensions also xeno goku haxs are sinilar if not better than the nasu chracters. even though xeno goku could still lose it will have been a close fight
@@ToasterXDDr slump would make kid goku high outer
@@vergil_is_him Fax the cosmology is way to consistent on where it scale
@@ToasterXD But isn't he getting stronger, so all other measurements rise?
The cosmology of SDBH should be
Charisma World > true ream world > Fictional Japan > Beats world > CoT > Multiverse
That should make Xeno Goku 10D to 11D bare minimum
Edit: I wish he would’ve went over all of Xeno Goku hax like he did fate it seems that even Xeno Goku can’t escape the stigma of being just a ogha bugha punch punch man ☹️
Xeno Goku caps at 4D, making him low Multiversal to Multiversal. Even if he was 10D-11D, that would only put him at High Complex Multiversal while gil, Artoria, and Shiki scale low outer to high outer at inf dimension.
And due to the trio being higher dimensionsiality, his haxs won't work on them
Xeno goku (arcade) has irrelevant speed and irrelevant layers into boundless strength in base. I’m not even biased but xeno goku has the keysword which negates all abilities. But if it’s anime it’s a different story since anime xeno goku caps at hyperversal
@@Sols_Cap much like your name says keep capping
@@hardcoore_gyt9254 you missed out on the debunk, so I can't blame you for not understanding
The lowball for Xeno Goku is crazy. The hax you gave the shiki, Gilg and saber is also applicable to goku and the xenoverse also has multiple showings of type 3 to 4 multiverses and infinite dimensions.
Fake scan
@@eibarmanpessi1142 How are they fake when I wasn't talking about the ones in the video????
@@kadexshidomuda8113 xeno fodder is 4d
Slide cord I’ll debunk that shit
@@kadexshidomuda8113
bro. you legit have a goku pfp
I been waiting for this video for quite awhile. And quite frankly you didn’t disappoint 🙏🏽 Loved it from start to finish.
I think it's important to point out that the Altria and Gilgamesh you're referring are superbuffed by being moon cell servants. The regular version of their servant forms like fsn, fz, fsf and fgo don't even come close to these levels of power. I'm not trying to downplay their moon cell counterparts btw, I'm just explaining why humans like shirou or kuzuki could even comprehend them let alone fight them without immediately disintegrating
fate fans still call artoria altria? or is either one right?
@@purplehaze4942not sane ones
@@purplehaze4942I do it for the memes at this point. I have one friend who gets rly triggered when I say altria and will never pass on the chance to correct me
It's less their being buffed and more closer to their original power, the servant forms you see across the different grail wars do not compare to their true selves when they were alive (some servants are marginally stronger in their servant form due to being weak in life but gaining power from their fame like Shakespeare or Phantom of the Opera)
The only time servants are primarily buffed to a higher level within the moon cell are the mythological mystic codes and even that is more accessing the root and origin of that servant.Also servant battles tend to get more hectic within the moon cell due to it not taking place on earth and thus servants aren't constantly being "attacked" by Gaia or restrained in their destructive capabilities
Not at all, the only ones that get buffed in Extra are Emiya and Nero. Saber only got unsealed excalibur from the counterforce, and gilgamesh got restored his original power. And the buffed tamamo would tecnically be weaker than a original power restored version, wich is a bit funny.
Xeno Goku could have been scaled higher considered that he can go back in time anytime he wants and literally bring an army of any z fighter he wants from different timelines which would also be his Also power level
This guy straight up bais towards nasuverse and absolutely lowballing xeno goku
For e.g he didn't even talk about charisma world which even views beats world as a fiction giving him 11+ D
@@Dmklegeek Dragon Ball Heroes does not have a type 4 multiverse it only has a type 3 multiverse which scales too High Hyper so regardless of that scale it would not surpass the Nasuverse since Toaster already scaled the Nasuverse via the Root to Outerversal which is defintely low balling the Nasuverse due to it scaling Higher than Outerversal he did not mention the Outer Gods who literally scales to Outerversal and the Root exists beyond the Outer Gods and their realm that scales to Outer the Nasuverse can be scaled to High Outerversal to Boundless via Visual Novel statements he downplayed both Heroes and Nasuverse but it wouldnt matter since most Nasu characters already outscales Xeno Goku.
@Dmklegeek In order for the multiverse to be a type IV multiverse all of the universes should be equally real which needs to be described by different mathematical structures.
First of all you never proved that the multiverse has a type IV tegmark so logically speaking if you cannot prove how the multiverse scales to a type IV tegmark then the multiverse is not a type IV or even a type III tegmark since you need to prove that the multiverse consists of parallel universes using quantum mechanics which the multiverse does not have. So the multiverse is neither a type IV or a type III multiverse since u never proved it to be either and therefore beats world cannot be scaled too Low Outer, Outer or High Outer resulting in DBH's defeat and therefore the nasu verse negs since I can scale the multiverse to a type III tegmark since it consists of real life quantum mechanics.
@Dmklegeek Charisma World does not scale to Boundless since you have to prove the Charisma world R>F hierarchy transcendence, which cannot be the case since that world is not an infinte hierarchy. Reaching Boundless isn't as simple as that bruv its more complicated than that else alot of verses in fiction would be scaled too Boundless. So the DBH cosmology does not scale to Outer since you have 0 prove of it scaling that high.
@Dmklegeek Then give me proof of the multiverse having a type III or IV tegmark which I can easily debunk since I myself know the DBH multiverse does not have real life quantum mechanics for it to be calculated to a type III tegmark.
Tbh since goku literatally did majority of his feats in Base like hes 9D and literatally if he transforms to ssj he could destroy ALL of existence and xeno goku just stomps becauee he didnt even have Limit breaker and Limit Breaker should be around fusion since he kept up with UI xeno goku takes this
True... Since Zeno Goku is always in his Base Form. Imagine SSB TUI GI Zeno Goku.
Blue hair + Ultra Instinct + God Ki
Not to mention the cosmology in dragon ball as a whole is just bigger than the nasuverse, and Goku was going to destroy all of it just by powering up into a super saiyan, so theoretically him turning ssj4 would mean everything from the DB, beats world and beyond would be shred to non existence. Xeno Goku is just too much.
@mickymeza6571 nah he turning into a ssj4 that's what was gonna destroy existence but it was just him powering up to the form
@@mickymeza6571proof ?
Love you're channel ❤
Appreciate it!
Time to watch.
Edit:GOATED VID 🤧! HAPPY FOR MY FAV VERSE GETTING HYPE! Nasuverse scaling was somewhat downplayed though, but that's reasonable.
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I have never been this excited for a video for the entirety of my life
I think we all can agree that this video is a massive Xeno Goku lowball, but good video.
it really isn’t but Ight
So its like a half ball or 3/4 scale
@@ToasterXD It is because you didn't count the charisma world and the beats world, which both transcend dimensions. Demigra could destroy the beats world, that would make him at the bare minimum outerversal.
@@BIGHOODPETA Not really, one time line is 7D based of movies, the mortal realm itself contain a hyperspace dimension and a super dimension, which makes the mortal realm itself 5D, the after life 6D, and the entire timeline will be low balled. The Beats world and charisma world, fictional Japan, these are all higher dimensional plain of existences. So scaling the timeline 4D is a low ball.
@@laryathFrr
Even dbsh Omni king Zeno scales outerversal as dbs goku is comp multi , GOD are hyper and angels being outerversal and zeno being above them
Hearts was proved to be killing zeno as said in the toei summary of the episode and was still a victim of fu as fu said that hearts is nothing to him.
Fu was later defeated by cc Goku with universal tree and xeno goku ssj4 limit breaker being scaled to him giving him boundless amounts of power
And also forgot to mention that Charisma world is 11D
3:58 there is a contradiction there toaster you said that demigra doesn't transcend the concepts of space and time specifically when in your earlier videos you specifically mentioned that the concepts of space and time reside in the dbh universe and demigra destroying those would make him outer and you even showed panels of the manga on screen in goku Version scaling so my question would be why did you leave that out?
@@kenshinsenpai No I don't think he is a hater or anything but he definitely did skip or ignore a lot of statements that he himself mentioned in previous videos and the scan of universe tree he showed he actually never showed it in his previous scaling videos maybe he just used it in scaling but all the outer arguments for xeno goku he gave himself in previous videos he skimmed over them without explaining why he doesn't agree with them anymore and he definetly did downplay the haxes xeno goku has and in the end toaster came in line with the vsbw scaling of xeno goku that he himself made fun of previously but he skipped all the haxes mentioned in vsbw which is a bit disappointing to say the least
@@kenshinsenpai I think his inconsistency is in line with the more believable stuff as for what I mean is that if you take into account the canon stories the characters right now are nowhere near outerversal but the dbh characters are definitely outer but the thing is its really hard for a lot of people to believe that because there are not a lot of statements that say this and officially it's not explained well but fate has too much content and it's all canon and explained pretty well so it's much more believable so when in older videos when toaster said xeno goku in base would be outerversal which is facts it caused a lot of uproar and he got a lot of hate so he was looking at the chance to rectify his scaling to the mainstream beliefs that xeno goku would scale 2a vsbw scaling which he did what make me disappointed is that he didn't explain or use the scans that he used in the older scaling videos and explain why he doesn't believe them anymore and explain why destroying concepts of space and time wouldn't make demigra outerversal when the concepts reside in the universe and a lot of more points but calling him a hater would be unfair and the simple conclusion that I have is well he grew his channel with making factual scaling of dbh characters and attracted fans who never get to see these scaling as they are believed to be outlandish by the mainstream as they say there is simply not too much evidence and when he grew his channel enough and people noticed him enough and started talking he fell in line with the more majority belived scaling of dbh characters so people wouldn't call him a overwanker or fan boy whether it's factual or not as it pleases the majority of the scaling community but I don't think he is a hater just a dude who knows how to get views and attention depending on the situation which is disappointing to see but hey what can we do?😂 except be disappointed
those scales are not good, don’t listen to my old videos. If you think I’m downplaying db for the sake of it, idk what to tell you buddy haha.
@@ToasterXD I never said it blatantly that you are downplaying db but if you say it yourself that those scales are not good then you kind of need to debunk your own video as to why those are not good and it kind of makes it hard it to believe when you yourself say that the previous videos you made weren't true or not accurate and this one is😅🤣 but a question on serious note is that you said and showed panels of the sdbh manga in your scaling for different Versions of goku video in which it said that the concepts of space and time reside in the universe itself so wouldn't destroying concepts make them outer if it says that?
Why would I need to debunk my old videos? If you’re going to deliberately take my word at face value from a year ago, why would you not now? That scan that I showed that stated the “concept of time existed” LITERALLY didn’t have a translation. You don’t even know what the scan said and it has nothing to do with it which I’ve found out since then. You saying Me a year ago>Me now in terms of scaling is very ridiculous and just proves you want Goku to scale to whatever you want him to scale to, rather than just being logical.
If Xeno Goku was Summonable as a servant what do you think is his class?
Seems like a foreigner to me.
Edit:nvm, bro does NOT qualify. What he does qualify for are
Berserk
Lancer
Rider(pre saiyan saga)
Cancer canidate(taking goku's interpretation of earth's safety, and assuming the cancer class isn't only for the moon.)
Goku black would qualify for:
Saber
Lancer
Beast
berserk
Saber lol
@@alispeed5095 Nah, saber you need an actual sword for. He'd likely be summoned as a lancer 99% of the time, with a 1% super-rare berserker variant.
@@NO-zb3fz In my opinion I'd say he's a savior or something close to a divine spirit since at the end of GT he did get immortalized by the people of earth. (But thats just me I've haven't really touch any new fate canon since two years ago so the rules could have changed)
I have been waiting for this since toaster first mentioned it
i still dont get how fate characters scale that high when emiya with no powers can hold his own for a while against them 💀
It's not that high... In fact... It's rather low.
I require an 8th Dimensional Existence Feat below Omnipotence (9th Dimension of Existence) of any Character to win against Xeno Goku.
Void Shiki is omnipotent so that match up is not fair to begin with... Xeno and Shenron is the better duo in a 2v1 against Void Shiki.
Xeno Goku has potential to transend into the 9th Dimension proper, since he's only always in Base Form. However, based on the current content. That may never be seen.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 i am not talking about the fight i am talking about the fact that everyone says fate characters are busted asf when emiya and sorcerers can fight them when they dont use their special moves at least for a while (a swat team solos any sorcerer btw)
also omnipotence scales nowhere
@@argy7526
Fate Lore wise... True.
Also... Omnipotence does scale. It's 9th Dimensional Existence.
You know... The same stuff Marvel and DC always does when it comes to Meta Narrative Characters. At that level of existence, the rules are different when measuring power.
And this is also why there are different Type Omnipotence and Omni Factors.
(I study in Omnipotence and I must say, there is scalability in that but you cannot use the Infinite Dimensions as seen in this video. You must use the Dimensions of Existence in order to fully test omnipotence. Fundamentally, it is different.)
Saying omnipotence doesn't scale is like saying religious Gods/Magic cannot scale "because it's Gods/Magic". It is simply, a poor choice of a statement to make.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 omnipotence scales you at the top of a verse but crossverse this statement doesnt mean anything and were did you get this 9th dimensional from?
@@argy7526
Omnipotence is not as absolute as you understand it to be, but most of your human authors only write under "the One True God" ideology.
Marvel... DC... Those Type OFs are very common to see.
And the 9th Dimension of Existence is what I speak of. You only know the Infinite Dimensions and that is capped when tested in its full brink compared to the Core 10 Dimensional Existence from 0 to 9.
... I am the Precursor of Omnipotence. It is my design, after all. Of everything I created, omnipotence is the one to which I know the most. And the one to which I let go as it is but a crutch for me...
(In other words. This is the same test I use for all religions and reality. It's omniversal, fundamentally.)
Humanity's understanding of omnipotence is rather lacking. Thus, I'm not impressed to that level of Data. Even when Mankind is physically older than my mortal shell.
"Existence is more stranger than fiction."... As the Precursors say. (Not a quote. Just memories of my home. Mankind has a long way to go.)
The afterlife in the daichenzu 4 world guide states that the afterlife is a transcendental realm beyond the concept of time space and dimensionality.if goku is capable of destroying such a place he easily scales to low outer and this is backed up by the june 2013 vjumps stating that Goku vs Beerus was a super dimensional battle with the kanji Cho-Jigen literally translating to Beyond the concept of dimensionality.this kanji is prominently used for people like anos etc and also for Gogeta vs broly being stated to be a Super dimensional batlle in either case goku in the manga tui scakes to low outer
w
Just untrue
@@josephrogers3666not unture
Some dude on reddit hard debunked the daizenshuu 4 afterlife statement to 5D max
@@oddestgames1168 dude that has been rebunked …..
As some one who knows near to nothing about Fate this is an interesting video for sure but I personally feel like you down played Xeno Goku(though maybe not intentional). It was stated that if Xeno Goku power up from base he would destroy all off existence(as in all of history, space, time, the infinite timelines, the time chamber and even Beats’ world) which implied that just the act of transforming Xeno Goku transcend to a higher dimensional scale putting him at 10D(11D if you want to high ball and say that Xeno Goku’s Ssj 4 form also transcend to a higher scale) and you could arguably put Xeno Goku at higher if you interpret the transcend all of space and time statement as transcending the space time of all of the infinite histories, timelines, iterations, and dimensions with all the different flows, rules, pattern, and designs(this idea was already seen in Dragon Ball Super during the Moro and Granolah arcs as it was confirm that there are several rooms of Spirit and Time that exist on separate dimensions and have different flows of time when compare to the main universe). To transcend all of that is basically transcending the concept of space and time and would put Xeno Goku at Outerversal. He also has more haxes and abilities than you show such as *deep inhale*
-Author authority Immunity (Completely Ignores the effects of author involvement from an opponent) {As shown Against Demigra who surpassed the Authors avatar via Author authority}
- Plot manipulation immunity (Ignores changes to plot caused by an opponent) {As shown by DEMIGRA who attempted to change his own fate against Xeno Goku by rewriting it.}
- Ki Universe creation (a space created by Xeno Goku in which he has Supreme Control)
-Speed Theft ( Xeno Goku steals the Speed of the target and applies it to his own)
-Energy theft (Xeno Goku steals the targets energy and empowers himself)
-Physical strength theft (Xeno Goku steals the targets strength and adds it to himself)
-Power Absorption (Xeno Goku absorbs all Incoming Attack and power)
-Power Redirection (Xeno Goku Unleashed all Absorbed power as well as redirects incoming Atks multiplying there power by the previously absorbed power)
-Time Manipulation (Xeno Goku can Travel to any point in time and alter events before they take place or after they take place)
-Time Altercation (Alters the flow of time to prevent Hazardous energy spillout from a Fight by Splitting the Current fight into a New timeline entirely where the opponent cannot escape without Xeno Goku's assistance)
-Time intervention (prevents a timeline from continuing to change by eleminating all changes within it)
-Weapon Creation (Creates weapons from memory above the power of the Weapons original design)
-Weapon Summon (Summons weapons from The Time nest as needed)
-Damage Negation (completely negates the effects of dmg from incoming Atks)
-Speed negation (removes all the speed from an opponent)
-Strength negation (Removes all the strength of an opponent by Manipulating there Life energies)
-Power negation (Negates the effects of Opponent powers)
-Immunity negation (Negates opponent immunities)
-Regeneration and Immortality Negation(negate Mechikabura’s regeneration which is stated to be limitless and immortality)
-Multiplication of Self (Creates multiple Exact copies of self for an undetermined amount of time with the same abilities as Xeno Goku)
*Exhale+panting* There are more but you get the gist of it.
Here is some more Xeno goku hax
Space-Time Transcendence, Immunity to Reality-Wrapping, Probability Manipulation, Damage Reduction.
Power Nullification, Space & Time Manipulation (Can created pocket dimension and manipulate Time within it)Life-force absorption.
Conceptual Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Pocket dimension creation and manipulation, Resistance to speed alteration.
Analytical Prediction & Information Analysis, Weapon Mastery (Of the Power Pole & Keysword), Limited Size Manipulation (The Power Pole can change size), Attack Reflection (Power Pole can reflect attacks).
Acausality (Type 1; Time Patrollers [Xeno] are unaffected by changes in history and the erasure/destruction of their timeline/flow of time).
Non-Physical Interaction (Ki can interact with ghosts, spirits, souls, illusions, pure energy beings, invisible & intangible ki blasts, abstract beings made of abstract wills, thoughts and emotions).
Accelerated Development (Battle, Training; Physical Stats, Abilities. As a Saiyan, Goku grows stronger every time he fights and can become stronger in the midst of combat, vastly increasing in strength whenever he is mortally injured).
Shockwaves Generation (Can create powerful shockwaves via Kiai), Afterimage Creation, Power Mimicry (Can easily replicate other Ki-based techniques after seeing them once).
Energy / Life-Force / Ki Absorption (Can absorb energy/ki/life-force from his opponents).
Stealth Mastery & Limited Perception Manipulation (With his sharpened spirit, Goku mastered the ability of "[crouching] as quiet as the sky and [striking] quick than lightning", dampening his presence completely -including scant air movements and his footsteps-and erasing his own Ki; thus, allowing him to optimize his movements and elude the senses of opponents completely).
Telepathy (Can telepathically communicate with others and read minds), Telekinesis, Teleportation (Aside from Instant Transmission, he is capable of instant dimensional teleportation, allowing him to travel between Timelines & dimensions quickly), BFR, Dimensional Travel & Time Travel.
Statistics Manipulation (Goku can greatly enhance his capabilities with Kaio-ken up to 100 times. Can passively use many of his abilities to greatly increase his statistics. Can reduce an enemy's statistics with many of his abilities. Can steal his opponents statistics to increase his own).
Minor Power Modification (Can reduce the effect of his opponents statistics amplification skills. Can reduce the enemy's damage reduction effect by 50%), Rage Power, Transformation (Can transform into a Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, Super Saiyan 3, Super Saiyan 4, increasing his capabilities drastically).
Immortality Negation & Regeneration Negation [Type 3. At least Mid-High, possibly up to Mid-Godly] (Scale to CC Goku and CC Future Trunks, via Spirit Bomb technique), Durability Negation (His attacks ignore durability and defensive skills).
Damage Manipulation (Passively boosts his damage and reduces his opponents), Healing (Can recover his stamina and energy. Can passively and actively heal others, carries Senzu Beans with him, can heal himself and his allies).
Resurrection (Can resurrect himself or his allies, but needs two allies on the field to active).
Summoning (Can summon Shenron; can summon Chronoa, Xeno Trunks, Xeno Gohan, Xeno Vegeta, Great Ape
Vegeta, Frieza's Spaceship, Great Ape Broly or SS3 Broly to help him in battle).
Limited Space-Time Manipulation & Limited Portal Creation (Should be comparable to CC Goku who can destroy Hit's pocket dimension. At this level of power he can create dimensional rifts and destroy space-time and pocket dimensions with his energy).
Adaptation (can adapt to gravity), Reactive Evolution (Saiyans can evolve to counters against special abilities/techniques that can cause harm to them), Fusionism (via Fusion Dance or Potara Earrings).
Power Nullification & Purification [Types 1 & 2] (Can nullify Dark Ki. Can negate his opponent's ability to boost their damage. Can reset his opponents statistics boost, negating his opponents ability to amplify his or her statistics),
Stamina Reduction (Can reduce his opponent stamina via normal attacks or skills) & Status Effect Inducement (Can disable all of his opponents abilities, powers and actions by reducing their stamina to zero; making them unable to act).
Resistance to Demon God Power (Capable of fighting against the Dark Dragon Ball Warriors and the Demon Gods, with them always utilizing Dark Ki and Demon God Power infused attacks).
Disease Manipulation, Poison Manipulation, Extreme Cold, Cosmic Radiations, Absorption, Sleep Manipulation.
Acids, Heat Manipulation, Harsh Temperatures, Status Effect Inducement, Spatial Manipulation, Ice Manipulation.
Corrosion Inducement,Fire Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Matter Manipulation (Atomic; Withstood Baby Vegeta's Revenge Death Ball which can scatter individual atoms).
Resistance to Power of Destruction, Empathic Manipulation.
And he has all those from his Base form and his Transformations (from SSJ1 - Full Powered SSJ4 Limit Breaker) further enhance those abilities.
@@GODEATER2so my friend do power levels matter anymore in any Dragon Ball Series because I remember reading that anyone with PL of 10k can destroy a planet
@@GODEATER2and if anyone with the Power Level of 10k can destroy a planet then what do you think a Power Level of 100B can do
Also don’t forget the higher the Power Level of a fighter is they and their Power will Transcend any obstacle including time Stop and reality warping and ETC u get my point 🙏
Do u think Xeno Goku Powers will Surpass the Concept of everything like literally everything beyond Death and Creation someday 😅
damn bro lowballed xeno goku as much as humanly possible😂
Facts at least at bear minimum he should be high hyperversal.he does not want to believe super Goku is 5d and above.he did not touch up on dragon ball cosmology properly.timelines are not 4d.that would mean every timeline in DC is 4d ,which is a crazy downplay,that's why understanding cosmology is very important.i wonder why people keep forgetting that the living world in universe 7 has super dimensions 😪
@@uzookafor8721 facts
It’s pretty obvious he doesn’t know what he’s talking about because of all the bs he said.
@@uzookafor8721 bare minimum is boundless lmao
@@CosmologyDunks how
Xeno one taps in base y'all forgot xeno goku as a limiter that stops him from going past ssj4lb if he was to fight these randoms the limiter wouldn't be there anymore
True... Xeno Goku is just Base Form Goku. Imagine him with his Manga Counterpart abilities.
It could rival Zeno & Shenron, who both are two halves of Omnipotence.
not true
Yeah basically shiki and the moon cell carries , thx for the vid
Voic Shiki is omnipotent and the Moon Cell is literally the Matrix.
While Zeno and Shenron are omnipotent and Xeno Goku can rival both if he barely went SS1. Given that in his base form, he defeated enemies who can erase the entire Full Cosmology of the DBZ Verse beyond just Universe 7 etc.
It's really not a 50/50 because of Ki/God KI. Zeno Goku can obtain a higher Type of Omniptence that overthrows Void Shiki.
Not all Omni Potent Factors and Type Omnipotence are the same.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 nigga do you know who void shiki even is? 😭
It’s so annoying to see someone who don’t know anything about dbh verse actually scaling it , when they are talking about time and space in dbh it includes the concept , it was even stated that toki toki is responsible for the existence of time and space and all dimensions , which includes extra dimensions and super dimensions and so on if you know what super dimensions you wouldn’t have said it’ just a 4D feat bro please before scaling a character you should do more research about his verse first 💀
8 to 9D is pretty accurate
He's clearly above 4D
The Goat’s back 🗣️
Finally toaster unloaded this video😂
I just love the fact that the nasuverse (not saying who wins) they literally just say uhh no see i can do this but you cant i do everything you can and cant
Depends... It's not the strongest Verse out there, knowing Full Brink Omnipotence.
I can see stronger worlds than this one.
The Servants summoned by Chaldea and in other circumstances aren't usually as strong as the Extella variants, partly due to Gai's influence and partly due to worse containers.
However F/GO does have characters that outscale Extella characters. ORT is a terrifying monster that even while sleeping outscales the Demiurge Zeus who beat back Sefar who can destroy the Moon Cell. ORT is the ultimate terrifying monster in a verse full of overpowered monsters. Not to mention the Throne of Heroes is connected directly with the Root and ORT is capable of devouring information stored in there.
Given the origin of that Tree. Personally, it's rather weak to me but I deal in omnipotence.
The dimensions shown in this video is of a Type. Not the Core. Dimensional Shapes but not of Existence.
Held to omnipotence... There is only 10 Dimensions.
And so the Test may differ... Zeno and Shenron are the test. Exceed them both, then even the Nasuverse crumbles into nothingness.
So in a way, the test is faulty if only understood from one means of Dimensionality... If anything... The Infinite Dimensions, is It's name. But even that caps off to a level in Existence.
took quite a while for this to come out
Halfway through the video, I had completely forgotten this was a power scaling video and thought it was documentary video 😅
Why didn’t you include the charisma world and others?
Topics i'd want to see:
-Xeno Goku vs Wally West
-How far can GT Goku make it into DBS?
Wally west get oneshot
@@AXIOMISFODDERANDWEAKASF wally slams kid
Xeno goku is high hyperversal to possibly outerversal at best
Even the lowest of dimension in dc at a lowball can reach outerversal lvls
@@lucionjones8685 🤡
If Xeno Goatku transforms.... The anime/mangaverse would not be able to even withstand his Divine Aura.
U got my sub for this fate vid. Nasuverse=peak
The lowball of xeno goku is crazy
The extreme downball of xeno goku is crazy💀💀
Say don’t xeno goku have auto win n if do where at?
N isn’t he resistance to Omni presence n Omni negation
@@kojigoat bro the creator of this video is a db hater
@@choidaniel7026 he got debunk
@@kojigoat Xeno goku was debunked and was debunked several times without numbers and no body have ever debunked it again after that first one so I don’t know where you get your one debunked because even me have all the scans and statements
TOASTER IS COOKIN WOOOOWOWOWOOWOWO
We want a rematch!
Damn he dropped it crazy
nuts
@@ToasterXD i can finally use a video thats not freaking from the one who will not be mentioned
@@Thailandsmostwantedwho Seth, stop being dramatic you can say the guy’s name
@@theghost358fr it’s not that hard lol
This guy doesn't know relative DB scaling:
Frieza 2nd form stated that je had enough power to destroy the visiable universe(not the whole universe) which can be made out high-multi galaxy in his second form so goku in his ssj form( who embarrassed frieza) should be at least low-universal in the namek saga.
In the cell saga cell ssj2( he has tge same aura as gohan after regenerating) as enough power to scale him towards mid-universal but doesn't have any feats beyond data book scaling.
In the majin buu saga Super Buu was going to destroy the whole universe and even vegito and databooks confirm that Super Buu's techniques was enough to destroy the whole universe(universe 7). Then when kid buu showed up and found Goku and Vegeta in the grand Supremekaioshin world the supreme kais were afraid he could destroy their world and this can take an infinite amount of energy as this kai world is multi-galaxy sized.
In Dragon Ball Fusion Reborn, goku, pikkon and vegeta have infinite speed able to travel from other world to hell( further reiterated in the metal cooler movie), Goku transforming had enough energy to shake Hell,The Otherworld, and Heaven which requires an infinite amount of energy and power( goku had more energy due to being dead). GOGETA'S ssj energy and power amd lit up Hell, The Otherworld and possibly Heaven which in itself can argue the SSJ GOGETA has Infinite power.
In Dragon Ball GT goku even states himself that General Rildo was more powerful than majin buu, Who threatened to destroy the universe and Supremekaioshin World. And PAN DEFEATED HIM BY HERSELF💀. And BASE GOKU IS WAY MORE POWERFUL THAN PAN. Goku than fights some other small villians who make him stronger. Then he fights SSJ3 Baby with SSJ3 and loses than Transforms into SSJ4 which is a 1 billion times multipler from base( ssj3 is a 400 times multipler and and golden ozaro is a 500 times multipler and 500x400x Baby's power boost + Crazy DB scaling means goku would need 1 billion times more power to defeat him.) Then he one-shot Super 17 in base( The Super 17 who made 4 SSJs look fodder). Nouva Shenron was also stated by goku ( at that time to be the strongest opponent he'd ever faced) goku one-shot his Fellow Dragon ( Ice shenron)( who are both relative in power) in Ssj4. Then Goku( Ultra Full Power Ssj4) humiliated Syn (The Strongest Shadow Dragon).
Immediately when OMEGA Shenron appeared the whole universe( including Hell,The Otherworld and Heaven and the Supremekaioshin World)(Basically the Living World which is infinite in size)started collapsing on itself by OMEGA SHENRON JUST EXISTING. And Goku( with help obviously) one-shot Omega Shenron who was going to destroy Everything( maybe the whole timeline).
Xeno Goku experienced all this( and more just didn't mention it)when got a Whole lot Stronger. And is as strong as Ssj Blue CC Goku who is stronger than MUI from the T.O.P who shook an infinite realm by just existing.
And is relative to Dark Janemba who threatened to disrubt the whole cosmos in The Anime. So adding on to his feats his feats in SDBH AND XENOVERSE AND SDBH the Game he would scale way above outerversal and would be impossible to scale. But here is my Scaling( for Xeno Goku)After Watching The Anime and Reading The Manga And Databooks[( in his Strongest Form(Ssj4LB)]:
Strength:Infinite(high-balling)
Speed:Immeasurable
Energy: Immeasurable
Power:Immeasurable
Scaling:Immeasurable( beyond infinity)
Cosmology:Immeasurable
Feats:
Durability:Tanked the Revenge Death Ball, which is as strong or stronger than the hakai:
Strength:Already Explained(in the video).
Speed:Infinite in the metal cooler movie, So way Beyond Immeasurable for Xeno Goku
Abilities:Ki Manipulation, Telepathy, Enhanced Adaptability, Enhanced Potential etc.
Hax:Much Stronger than pretty much any oppenent and has allies such as CC UNIVERSAL BLUE GOKU AND SUPREME KAI OF TIME( hax means unfair advantage in battle).
AP: Somewhat equal to Durability.
DC: Cannot be Measured.
SO XENO GOKU RELATIVELY CAN'T BE SCALED AND IF THE NASUVERSE CAN BE SCALED THEN HE CLAPS DUE TO FEATS HE PERFORMED AND STATEMENTS IN ANIME,MANGA AND DATABOOKS.
@toasterxd You need to actually watch the anime, read the msnga and databooks and don't just look at scans.
Edit:I didn't mention everything relative to Xeno Goku though.
2nd edit: Took me a whole hour to write this.
3rd edit:Any verse that can be scaled is getting clapped by Xeno Goku.
4th edit: Xeno Goku is soo powerful that he can't even be scaled. Just wanted to reiterate that.
5th edit: Xeno Goku also has inf stamina due to the fact that he can kill immortal beings which require an infinite amount of stamina and has more stamina than kid buu and baby combined.
None of this matters coz Void is involved. The root is the source code of all nasu verse. The moment Goku has to fight void. He becomes subject to nasu verse logic meaning void can simply edit or even outright remove his line of code from within the root and thats that. Scaling is irrelevant to a being that can control source code.
If you dont want Goku to be subject to nasu verse laws then why involve a character that is the very definition of nasu verse logic?
You could scale xeno goku to beat Gil and Saber easily. But not void. Its impossible. Either you allow goku to be subject to the root or you just null the entire fight since its too unfair.
Its like being a programmer, how can an ingame character threaten you? You just edit there source code or outright erase it and thats that. This is void shiki. All your scaling is pointless. What was this guy even thinking involving her in this fight? Even the author of that verse avoids her like a plague since she makes any stakes moot.
@alispeed5095 Goku had downright defeated characters who were stated to have Immeasurable Power and Insane feats it doesn't matter whether Void has this source code or whatever. This source code/root only applies to Void's own verse and assuming the fight would take place on ground where neither character has an advantage Xeno Goku would easily win as he wouldn't be affected by the root as it only applies to the NASUVERSE.
It's like saying Murphy Lawden is the strongest in fiction because of his inverse hax and only works in his verse, which means even other SCPs can slam. Murphy lawden ain't even top 10 SCP because is hax is only inverse like Void Shiki's hax
@kenshinsenpai You noticed it too
@@kenshinsenpai 😊
Never let bro cook db again
I notice how you mentioned that timelines in db are 4d, that's completely wrong, they're about 10d with some rough scaling
Edit:guys this is without using statements, if statements about the otherworld were to be accounted in my comment then a timeline would scale to infinite D and beyond
In the omniverse, the Dimensions of Existence for Time is 4th, 5th, and 6th. However, all of the 10 Core Dimensions weave into each other, making the Omniverse proper.
Xeno Goku would 8th Dimensional. Step below Type Omnipotent Catagories, since those are 9th Dimensional.
There is no 10th Dimension. The Zero Dimension is were we count from. And each dimension outside of the 2nd and the 3rd, is unique.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 so are you trying to say super dimension is just 5D
@@choidaniel7026
(I'm not saying Xeno Goku is 5th D E... He's actually 8th DE at the high end level if he wanted to unleash SS1. Zeno and Shenron are 9 DE given their duality of being omni potent... But Super Dimensions/Extra Dimensions etc. are just 1 up to 6 DE, depending on the context. And it's Pseudo 6 DE for the high end Extra Dimensions.)
In the Omniverse, proper, it will depend.
Zero Dimension is Origin... The same Dimension that the Akashic Records and Omnipotence comes from. But the Omnipotent souls now reside in the 9th Dimension.
1st to 3rd Dimension is pretty self explanatory to our real world. However, there is nuance in how all three dimensions function beyond simple explanations.
4th Dimension is the Prime Timeline while 5th Dimension are all Alternative and Parallel Time Lines. Unlike the 4th, you can erase branches of time in the 5th. If you tamper with the 4th, then you may end up dooming the true path. Thus, you may bring forth Chaos Theory upon the Butterfly Effect. It wouldn't be the first time, however, for the omniverse.
6th is best explained as if it was the seeds from Origin. With each Seed sprouting its own true Multiverse and Cosmology etc. I say "true" because you can still have multiverses within one Core Dimension. However, those are Pseudo Multiverses and much easier to dismantle compared to one Seed of Origin.
7th is Conceptual Existence. Where the Astral Plane resides and many powerful souls are often at this level.
8th is the Spirit Realm where Souls reside. The highest level of existence under Omnipotence if thyn soul is strong enough to equal it.
9th is where Omnipotence Souls reside but its original purposes was to be "Beyond the Boundary". Or in other words. Before 9th was split in two by omnipotence. It was truly boundless in every way, second to Origin. As it is the final Will of Origin, the Will to exist beyond the End... ... ... Even when it is easy said than done, iteration after iteration.
To answer... Yes... Super Dimensions are just 5th Dimensional in this context. It's not the same as 6th Dimensional Existence.
(... The Infinite Dimensions are not the same as the Core 10 Dimensions. Fundamentally speaking...)
Facts! Great video and great scale! There was definitely a few scans I have not seen before so that was nice.
One thing that’s over powered as hell is when Gilgamesh gets a hax in CCC when he fights BB that’s the same as her ten crowns skill. Which, in itself is an authority class skill and is described as an authority class transcendental skill. It basically makes any, and every event, result, attack etc… as if it didn’t happen. Which authorities are stated in multiple events and story events within grand order to be conceptual.
Goku slams, you lowballed bro. *Goku forevea on top*
keep crying
@@aroundtheworld3972 Ain’t no tears coming out my eyes, *goku solos*
@@Handlesaretrash goku is planetary
@@eibarmanpessi1142 Purposefully spreading misinformation on the internet I see. You indeed do a little trolling
@@Handlesaretrash cry
I can't believe Seth the Programmer scales to 9th dimensional. 4:44
the cap is killing my soul
9:38 The core’s medium is photon-based, which means its higher dimensions are just light, not actual space .
10:03 The regalia bestows limitless power onto the user, which is just high universal . And even if you want to scale the regalia above the likes of the moon cell, I’ve already established the higher dimensions of moon cell being photon-based, which means the regalia caps at high 3D .
10:27 The root being stated to be the source of everything isn’t enough proof for transcending all concepts . The universe is referred to as the source of everything and where all matter and phenomena flow too, so is the root just the universe?
10:56 Shiki being the symbol of yin and yang in given form doesn’t entail any spatial transcendence or dimensions of any kind . Since yin and yang itself deals with light and darkness . It isn’t concerned with science or space, but rather it’s concerned with philosophy .
11:35 High universal . That’s pretty self-explanatory, as it talks about the opposite meaning of infinity, and how the prison she was contained in was made to be infinite .
12:26 That’s only 4d, because it the scan says time and space.
12:36 No concept of time without any further contextual evidence = timeless. Nothing more, nothing less.
12:54 I’ve already established the fact that the moon cell is photon-based, which means that it is still bound by the concept of distance and time. As light travels within space and is still measured by timely intervals.
13:17 Dimensionality > Hax. And the nasuverse caps at 4D with the context given in this video.
Ur everywhere
@@gregkareem9824 Ur also everywhere
no, you can honestly join the cord and we can run it.
@@ToasterXD don’t have cord
@@Rhetorical_Ifeto be honest this comment lose all common sense when you say the nasuverse cap at 4d when the mooncell is literally stated to be 8d with a even higher dimensional core while void shiki/the root being far above even that
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I'm just happy toaster is getting better at powerscaling
that video is not good at powerscale xD
@@tobi6168 it was a massive lowball for xeno goku and small lowball for nasuverse this vid was horrible
@@GODEATER2 yea i know. sad
JoGoat the true honored one victims fr
Stand proud Xeno Goku, You’re strong.
@@ToasterXD type shii🗣
It gets wonky cuz fate does have dbz tier power levels but nasu is more interested with conceptual abilities that simply cut through how purely destructive someone is.
Speaking of, you didnt bring Arcueid into this party? 😅 I would think she would be a better choice than saber or gil.
Especially since she is on a different tier entirely to any servant by default and sits on an equal tier to Void through their interactions in Melty blood actress again
(that's if one takes the assumption of voids omnipotence at face value which i would argue isnt exactly fair)
Well, Xeno Goku is only 5D while Nerf Saber is 6D - 8D. Saber still beat Xeno Goku.
The part where you said that mira can destroy all timelines doesn't fit with what towa said. Yes, towa can hop through timelines. But in the context you gave, she is basically pondering how big the explosion might be. Even if she ran, she might end up in a timeline that just so happens to be the one that gets nuked.
Why would Mira not be >Demigra? She’s clearly referring to there not being a single timeline safe from the explosion.
I never said anything about the scaling of a character. I am talking about the context you gave with towa dialouge, and what you said doesn't align.
The next sentence isn't a confirmation that all timelines are at stake. She doesn't know the range of the explosion that would be let off.
I know, but to say Mira wasn’t going to destroy EVERY universe, you’d have to concede on Mira
@ToasterXD He probably could. My issue is the scan you gave for your claim doesn't make sense.
The absolute disrespect mfs have now to lowball my boy is incomprehensible. Not to mention it all boils down to hax shit is weird.
so this was finally dropped after a year
Do Featherine vs Void Shiki
Finally find someone who doesn't say Goku is BOUNDLESS
They say the DB fans are bad, but we got haters like this Toaster guy making whole UA-cam channels hating on one series. LMAO
Motherfucker he made goku win against saitama and the big 3, if he hated goku that much he wouldn't let goku win a single time
He literally highballed goku so much during this video,none of this shit gets past 6D.
Great!
Can u do a novel dio vs who ever video next
Isn't one time line is about 7D in terms of movies, just a doubt since the mortal realm itself contain a hyperspace dimension and a super dimension, which makes the mortal realm itself 5D , the after life 6D, and the entire timeline will be low balled 7D since im not using the universal spehere that contains the infinite macrocosm, or zeno's palace which sees the multiverse like a game board.
So it is borderline 7D even in canon. Also there are not one set of infinite timelines, there is also parallel quests, tokipedia which can be reset by fuu , normal infinite timelines and the beats world infinite timelines, the three of timelines are quite different from normal timelines since it is created from toki toki's egg.
So basically those are higher dimensional timelines. Then beats world and charisma world, fictional Japan, these are higher dimensional plain of existences. These are my doubts. So scaling the timeline as 4D is a heavy low ball.
Edit: instant transmission realm is also there in the timeline which has no concept of time, since instant transmission is not teleportation from point A to B.
That would make him able to beat unleashed saber, but he would still get assblasted by gil and shiki if he was 7D.
None of the dragon ball movies are canon except for
Battle of the Gods
Resurrection of F
Dragon Ball Super:Broly
Dragon Ball Super: Superhero
@@Recon-601 I'm talking about xeno Goku scaling, and super dimension was introduced in dbs broly and hyper space dimension is mentioned in og db.
@@bruhdrugon6094 7D only one time line, calculate other higher dimensions and sets of timelines i mentioned
@@Recon-601There is literally no canon in Dragon Ball verse since all the movies and games take place in alternate timelines, how can we say the main timeline of db known as Dragon Ball super is canon and the rest aren't just because they haven't crossed over into super timeline.
The Meatride Is Crazy💀💀💀
Toaster can yall do archie sonic vs universal goku. Thanks
What if you tried the same type of game/anime but you put two characters of the same verse and match them up to fight in like a “what if scenario”, like Mario vs Luigi or Byakuya vs Shinji
Wally west victims on god 🙏. W video btw.
Don’t bring the flash into this, hes busted beyond belief 🗣️
Cook🔥
Yea both verse getting cook by wally neg diff
Drip Goku next?
Yo toaster can you do a verses battle that i just learned about mob vs deku
Normally toaster is spitting straight Fax But This Time Bro Is Not Cooking💀
how to create a powerful verse: 1. create a large and popular series. 2. let all fanfic be cannon, no copyright restrains.
Yooo it's time for some OG matchups toaster the streets need
Yugi vs ash vs tai(close?)
Exodia vs Arceus vs strongest digimon(close?)
Sasuke vs Hiei
And just for fun let's see if Goku can solo Pokemon Digimon or Yu-Gi-Oh 💀
Goku has a auto win mechanic? Doesn't he?
I think that’s a card idk Ima ask
Extreme low balled xeno Goku vs extreme wanked nasuverse so yeah wanked verse would win.
Nasuverse is also lowballed wtf are on
Xeno Goku vs Dante would be a good and interesting match up
Sadly... Zeno Goku is 8th D Existence while Dante/Vergil are 7th D Existence.
Zeno Goku wins but here's the funny thing... Souls, with the power to match, are innately 8th D Existence. A layer under Omnipotence, which is 9th DE.
And given Demon Energy (Conceptual Manifestation) in DMC Lore being straight Hax/similar to Ki in their Verse. While both Brothers also have their human Souls. They could ascend into the 8th DE by the end of DMC5 if the desired it.
In short, if Xeno Goku does not act fast, then Dante/Vergil will cath up to his power. And both brothers have ways to negate Xeno Goku's hax just be their demonic blood alone.
So in the end. If the time to kill fails Zeno Goku, then both will duke it out in a 50/50 match up.
Compared to Kratos, who is only 5th D E up to a potential 6th DE. The Blade of Olypmus solidified his limits. If Kratos took that same level of damage again, then unlike Dante/Vergil. Kratos will be down for the count.
You should scale the xenoverse 2 cac in their entirety
''nah i'd win'' - Jogoat
Before I finish this video just know Gilgamesh SLAMS🗣️🗣️
nah
Unfortunately💀
nope
fax
hell nah
Void Shiki vs. Featherine next plz :)
Featherine negs
I find it funny as the recent scale the saiyan saga vegeta and nappa are able to threatening to destroy osaka at the same level as the first villain to destroy the real world
Xeno completely stomps them all
keep crying + every goku pfp i see in those comments is goku meatrider.
@@aroundtheworld3972 lmao just bc i have pfp doenst mean shit. Xeno goku massively stomps
@@aroundtheworld3972Mald
@@dsm2417 FR, xeno goku legit has all the hax they have, and toaster didnt even go over them, he also forgets to mention he can seal up all of these hax and has durability negation + strength stealing
xeno goku legit negs
@@dsm2417no he does not😂 the meatriding is crazy
There is huge lowball in the video
Xeno goku
HAXS:What are all of Xeno Goku hax?
(to those viewing a majority of these Haxs comes from the arcade/card game)
Author authority Immunity (Completely Ignores the effects of author involvement from an opponent) {As shown Against Demigra who surpassed the Authors avatar via Author authority}
Plot manipulation immunity (Ignores changes to plot caused by an opponent) {As shown by DEMIGRA who attempted to change his own fate against Xeno Goku by rewriting it.}
Ki Universe creation (a space created by Xeno Goku in which he has Supreme Control)
God Ki Universe creation (A space created by xeno Goku in which he has ultimate control)
Plot Hole Creation ((picks up paper Thinks about target Target Appears on paper then paper and target vanish))
Speed Theft ( Xeno Goku steals the Speed of the target and applies it to his own)
Energy theft (Xeno Goku steals the targets energy and empowers himself)
Physical strength theft (Xeno Goku steals the targets strength and adds it to himself)
Power Absorbtion (Xeno Goku absorbs all Incoming At and power)
power redirection (Xeno Goku Unleashed all Absorbed power as well as redirects incoming Atks multiplying there power by the previously absorbed power)
Time Manipulation (Xeno Goku can Travel to any point in time and alter events before they take place or after they take place)
Time Altercation (Alters the flow of time to prevent Hazardous energy spillout from a Fight by Splitting the Current fight into a New timeline entirely where the opponent cannot escape without Xeno Goku's assistance)
Time intervention (prevents a timeline from continuing to change by eleminating all changes within it)
Weapon Creation (Creates weapons from memory above the power of the Weapons original design)
Weapon Summon (Summons weapons from The Time nest as needed)
Speed Increase (Increases speed by self motivation or to surpass a foe)
Strength increase (increases strength by self motivation or to surpass a foe)
Power increase (Increases power by self motivation or to surpass a for)
Damage Negation (completely negates the effects of dmg from incoming Atks)
Speed negation (removes all the speed from an opponent)
Strength negation (Removes all the strength of an opponent by Manipulating there Life energies)
Power negation (Negates the effects of Opponent powers)
Immunity negation (Negates opponent immunities)
Multiplication of Self (Creates multiple Exact copies of self for an Undetermined amount of time all capable same The abilities as Xeno Goku)
Motamora Bracelet Fusion ((can be used by anyone and can fuse an unlimited amount of times with anyone including other fusions without having to 1st defusing. The fusion is Permanent unless the fusion of it's own free will unlocks and removes the bracelet))
Scaling:
Outer to high outer
Plus
Nasuverse scaling
This is my ultimate scaling for the Nasuverse cosmology. The previous ones I did are rather outdated now as I have gained newer knowledge on the verse and how much bigger it is than I previously thought. I guess we do learn new things every day. Also, most of the credit goes to Theoretical Toxic from CSAP, who enlightened me more on the cosmology of Nasuverse.
Quite surprised how I can actually appreciate something that came from the CSAP wiki when the tiering system is even worse than VSBW. But at least they are better than VSBW when it comes to scaling characters correctly
First and foremost, every planet in the Nasuverse has and follows its own concepts and common sense.
Rules that apply to a specific planet don't apply to others. Not every “earth” is the same in the Nasuverse, which I will explain below
Earth and Textures
In Nasuverse, Earth has separate realities, with some being parallel worlds and others being higher dimensions. These are referred to as “textures of reality.”
Textures play a fundamental role within the Nasuverse in separating myths from other myths. The existence of textures allows for all myths within the Nasuverse to exist without being contradictory to each other, as seen. Every myth took place within its texture of reality, such as the Scandinavian myths and events like Ragnarok. That’s why in Fate, we have multiple Sun Gods/goddesses like Karna, Quetzalcoatl, etc., all existing on the same “earth” without contradictions despite being from different mythology and lore. Quetzalcoatl(a Mesoamerican Sun Goddess) claims she already knew Karna(a Hindu Sun God) despite being from a very different myth and blatantly supposed to be contradictory.
Inshort, Earth in itself isn’t just a planet. But a threshold for multiple realities hence the existence of different “textures” for various myths.
Parallel Worlds:
In Nasuverse, parallel Worlds are notions of human history that exist within the first texture of the world, the “Texture of Humanity,” which was insinuated to be a universe as seen when Arcueid used event storage to store the surface texture of the planet
Tohno Shiki went inside that and ended up witnessing an infinite multiverses
and also its concepts
This first texture containing a Universe also branches out into endless possibilities
which exists as parallel worlds
These possibilities branch off one another. These infinite possibilities form the concept of human history.
Higher Dimensions
Rin explains how Higher Dimensions in the Nasuverse function, higher dimensions view every facet of lower dimensions as that of a scroll/book.
Which means higher-dimensional beings are entirely superior to lower-dimensional beings. Just basic higher-dimensional existence. B.B, who obtained a higher dimensional perspective, could view all of the linear time and all of the multiverses within the moon cell as a book and can see the entire past, present and future of lower dimensions consequently
Within the world of Tsukihime, it is explained that a certain character by the name of Kiara Sessyoin gained higher dimensional senses, which was enough to make her omnipotent in lower dimensions
but because her body was still lower dimensional, she was still at the mercy of the higher dimensional beings
Thus, she returned to her lower-dimensional self and lost her higher-dimensional senses
Cosmological Scale
Mooncell
The moon cell is a supercomputer created by aliens/non-human intelligent life. It consists of 7 layers, and getting past them gets you to the moon cells' “core.” The moon cell was made to observe and record everything on Earth and about Earth since its very existence
S. E. R. A. P. H, on the other hand, is an artificial world created within the Mooncell
It records Earth which has infinite possibilities as well. It holds endless possibilities
and if-futures and infinite possible futures.
Now moving back to the Mooncell. The Mooncell is an 8-dimensional barrier
It blocks the way to the Mooncells core, making it Complex Multiversal(1-C)
The Mooncell’s “core” is implicitly said to be an even higher dimension making it likely 9th dimensional, but nevertheless, the moon cell in this state qualifies for 1-C.
The moon has something called the “far side of the moon cell.”
Basically, the imaginary number of space contains all possibilities as all possibilities can be hypothesized because since it’s unobservable, it can’t be detected by the current existing laws of physics, the reality of real numbers, and imaginary numbers which are mutually exclusive untouchable and cannot observe each other.
The imaginary numbers of space is a higher dimensional space made up of complex/imaginary numbers and is the source of poor information and is sometimes referred to as "the garden fall from the sky" within the far side, and reality itself is made up of real numbers;
This makes the Imaginary number of space High Hyperversal(1-B).
Earth and deeper textures
Higher dimensions of the Nasuverse become pretty hard to gauge as a result of them not being definitively numbered on various occasions, but it shouldn't restrict you from using syllogism to present some order in scale for them starting with;
The reverse side of the world
This realm is where the gods and Phantasmal beings retreated after the end of the Age of Gods.
It’s a realm incompatible with the laws and rules of humanity
This realm is obviously higher-dimensional as it contains true forms of gods who are said to exist in higher dimensions.
The scale of this realm theoretically equals or even surpasses that of the moon cell making it at least High 1-C (10 dimensional at the lowest) and likely High Hyperversal considering the “Imaginary number space” earlier. Now you might ask me to prove it’s as high/higher than the moon cell and INS. That’s easy. Things such as gods or divine spirits exist on the reverse side of the world, and they are too powerful for servant containers and can only be summoned if they are weakened, which even then still places them as one of the top strongest among servants.
Meaning a god's existence as a higher dimensional being is qualitatively superior to a servant container to handle. Which makes the God superior to even servants like Altera, who can destroy the moon cell
This makes the vast majority of the gods High Hyperversal
Avalon
Avalon exists within the planet earth as well(which supports my explanations on textures being inside of “earth” despite it being supposed to be contradicting in nature. Normally, Avalon isn't supposed to fit inside normal earth. But Nasuverse’s earth isn’t “normal.”
Avalon is higher dimensional as well. Its Noble Phantasm form was described as having the capability of blocking virtually anything up to the 6th dimension
Lostbelts
Lostbelts are parallel universes that were pruned by the quantum time lock. I will explain the Quantum time lock later. If you wanna know about it, they are created by, and their existence is maintained by, the “Tree of Emptiness,” which birthed them by allowing pruned histories to have their own fate where they actually survived through means of creating that history
They should be Universal+.
Servant Universe
It's where hypothetical scenarios (likely in reference to possibilities similar to earth's parallel world system) are put out.
Furthermore, the Servant universe has its own set of parallel worlds as people who reincarnate go to its parallel world.
This should at least make it Low Multiversal, possibly Multiversal or Multiversal+ if the parallel worlds are taken to be as big as proper human history parallel worlds. But for now, it's at least Low Multiversal
Spaceships of the Servantverse can manipulate 4-D
So for now still 2-C, possibly Low 1-C, To further attest to higher dimensions in the servant-universe, Ashtart Origin can manifest her higher-dimensional soul..
within the servant-universe without any problems who happen to be comparable to true form gods who are 10 Dimensional at the lowest ball in their true forms and an existential threat to all servants kind including top tier servants who scale to the 9th-dimensional moon cell, so by chain scaling it should be high 1-C /10 Dimensional and possibly High 1-B
Earth and Quantum Mechanics
Earth in Nasuverse is explained to have been running under the basis of the Type 3 multiverse or Quantum multiverse
Admittedly this doesn't suddenly make it infinite-dimensional as the Quantum Multiverse has many interpretations, with some of the interpretations just being 4th dimensional and others being infinite-dimensional. But Earth isn't just 4th dimensional. I've already presented several dimensions earlier, so it can't be the 4th-dimensional interpretation. The only logical explanation is that it should likely be infinite-dimensional, meaning it’s High Hyperversal
Origin, Platonism and Concepts(Get ready for the philosophical lecture about Nasuverse’s entirety)
Origins are concepts that come directly from the Root. It serves as a primordial foundation for everything and everyone. It's like a perfect form of something independent and of that something it foundates. It’s also how a thing should act or behave. That's why those who awaken their origins find it hard to stray away from their origin. It's an idea similar to Plato's theory of forms. Not really sure(I don’t like Philosophy).
Now one would be tempted to argue origin is just something exclusive to humanity, but this isn't the case as even non-sentient things such as plants even have their own origin likely, everything conceptual and physical is subjected to this notion of origin.
Furthermore, in Nasuverse, the origin of something is the defining truth of something its implied to trace on to infinity, implying there are infinite layers of existence, each origin getting deeper and reaching deeper and deeper
At the end of it, all is the primordial state of something that exists as a perfect form of that thing it foundates all physical and conceptual aspects of something and exists as something that drives everything in reality, and it's the direction and placing it into things part of the pattern of reality that matches its physical or conceptual existence.
Showcased in multiple instances (older and more fundamental mystery is more powerful and resists lower mystery, higher dimensions are qualitatively superior to lower ones, greater authority resists lower authority, even planets having layers/textures of reality, some layers even being higher dimensions, higher levels of the concept of death existing as well).
You can also say there are infinite deeper ideas all the way up to their primordial and deepest state. This also heavily supports the existence of infinite dimensions going deeper and deeper, transcending each other as everything within reality due to the existence of origin that is layered like a stream tracing on to infinity up to its primordial state. So there are those infinite levels of concepts, and the end point of those concepts is their true primordial origin existing as an independent concept perfect form of itself that foundates the existence of the lesser concept. With concepts at their primordial stage being absolute, unchangeable;and also being platonic in nature
Due to the sheer consistency, I believe this is definitely High-Hyperversal and Outerversal for every concept in its primordial stage.
The Universe
There's not much to say here. There's "The Universe," which encompasses everything here; parallel worlds, higher dimensions, earth, other celestial bodies and galaxies or whatnot. But the Universe in itself, with all the information above, should be definitively High 1-B. Very few people within the Nasuverse scale to the "Universe" but Fate Grand Order high tiers such as Zeus have been somewhat shown or stated to be capable of doing such.
Nasuverse Cosmological Scale #2- The “ever-higher” tiers
Throne of Heroes
The Throne of Heroes is described as a higher plane of existence, it exists outside of the time-axis and outside of time. Entirely outside of the world.
It’s also said to exist beyond the boundaries of space-time
and it’s entirely dimensionless.
This implies its qualitative superiority over the concepts of space and time, making the Throne of Heroes Outerversal level. By the way, this makes every Heroic Spirit in their “True form” scale to Outerversal because that is where they exist. But servants do NOT scale to this.
Outer Gods
The realm of the Outer Gods exists beyond the laws and common sense of the universe
And the universe itself is inaccessible to anything within the Universe in the “Outer Universe.”
The outer gods themselves are described as being beyond the laws and common sense of the universe and are regarded as incomprehensible, higher beings from the outer universe outside of the conventional universe which in itself, as I said above, has several ways of being 1-B
Outer gods like Sut-Typhon are said to exist beyond all possible higher dimensions existing outside of the universe
So it’s vividly clear that Outer Gods are Outerversal+ since they exist beyond the ultimate gate which already exists beyond the universe.
The Akashic Records:
The Akashic records are synonymous with the name “spiral of origin.”
It is somewhat a realm that was「 」, but because it had a name and comprehensibility, it became separate from「 」and every description given only becomes one with Spiral of Origin and not「 」because it holds true for the Spiral of Origin but not for the incomprehensible「 」. I would explain this better after explaining the Akashic records.
The Akashic Records record everything in existence and can create logically everything and governs the dimensional theory of the Nasuverse
It’s whole being unrestrained from all possible dimensional theories.
The Akashic record itself is unrestrained from everything within reality while governing them, meaning it's either several layers in Outerversal or High Outerversal. But I would stick with just several layers into 1-A.
Now it’s time for the daddy of the verse.
「 」
This is the highest plane of existence within the Nasuverse. It is the absolute one “true infinity” from which you can NEVER reach through by just recursively stacking infinities
Most of the things I knew firsthand before but always incorrectly scaled because of my limited knowledge about the Nasuverse’s cosmology. But now, I think I understand the verse's complexity a little better. It's just too complex for anyone to understand in a short while.And that explains the entirety of the Nasuverse cosmology. The verse reaches Tier 0. This is the latest cosmology scaling that will probably get updated in vsbw(for you vsbw fanatics🗿). All thanks to the CSAP dude.unrestrained from boundaries
The Akashic record itself is unrestrained from everything within reality while governing them, meaning it's either several layers in Outerversal or High Outerversal. But I would stick with just several layers into 1-A.Now it’s time for the daddy of the verse.
「 」
This is the highest plane of existence within the Nasuverse. It is the absolute one “true infinity” from which you can NEVER reach through by just recursively stacking infinitiesIt’s whole being unrestrained from all possible dimensional theories.These are properties akin to that of the set theories reflection principle, with everything within the Nasuverse representing subsets of it and properties of the root being "reflected" down to smaller sets. In short, to dumb it down, it's like an “inaccessible cardinal” and “absolute infinity” at the same time, both of which are High Outerversal, and everything else in reality, which is several layers into Outerversal, is only a figment of it, in its truest sense which this alone should be enough for it to qualify for High 1-A in vsbw as far as I heard.
Furthermore, it's a realm that is restricted from binary oppositionswhich captures dualities in itself on a conceptual level in which Taiji is Transduality type-2. And the root being qualitatively superior to everything and anything within the verse grants it Transduality type 3. Further proof of this is Ryougi Shiki, who is implied to be an existence akin to Wuji(“separate the two polarities” in reference to Taiji in which the separation derives from Wuji”).The oneness before all conceptions, including Taiji being a oneness that denies the concept of limit and one without limit. Consistent with these statements as well, but even such a statement is not enough to capture its truest sense which adds to it being High Outerversal.
As this realm is a realm outside of conceptualization representing true abstraction, nothingness, fathomless, indescribable, and beyond the realms of even language.And it’s not because of the finite mental capabilities of Nasuverse characters but due to its endless transcendences as the one absolute that can't be surpassed that is a territory of freedomunrestrained from boundariesAnd that explains the entirety of the Nasuverse cosmology. The verse reaches Tier 0. This is the latest cosmology scaling that will probably get updated in vsbw(for you vsbw fanatics🗿). All thanks to the CSAP dude.Most of the things I knew firsthand before but always incorrectly scaled because of my limited knowledge about the Nasuverse’s cosmology. But now, I think I understand the verse's complexity a little better. It's just too complex for anyone to understand in a short while.
W video fr but where did u say xeno Goku scaled to?
you should try the goku that fused with the audience in the japanese excusive movie against fate or any other characters you can think of.
Most of these feats were coming from base form so if he were to use super saiyan 4 which is a big multiplier would it change anything?
it would make it a lot stronger of course, it can’t be quantified in dimensionality because he isn’t shown to be able to do something above that.
@@ToasterXD that makes sense
@@ToasterXD
Not really... Even Manga Goku during the battle of the Gods, rose to a power of his own Ki that shaked the cosmology of his Universe by the end of the Ark.
Knowing Manga Goku. Because Xeno Goku is only always in his Base Form. And given Zeno & Shenron who are two halves of Omnipotence. Xeno Goku can very easily ascend to become a Type [x] of Omnipotent Entity.
As Azura did against the final boss, The Creator. But if he also did not turn down the offer.
Omnipotence has many Types and Factors. Just because two entities are omnipotent, in truth. Their omni potency is not all equal.
Void Shiki is the only real threat to Xeno Goku because of how Ki works in relation to Xeno Goku, who is still the same Goku as we see in the Manga/Anime, mind set wise.
And given Manga Goku. Should Zeno Goku easily obtain those ascensions. Then he can rival both Zeno and Shenron. Since he is an 8th Dimensional Existence. A layer below the 9th Dimension where Omnipotence resides and what the truth of omnipotence is.
(The infinite dimensions is a good measure but it is not accurate at the level of Meta Narratives upon the Omniverse proper.)
Each dimension is infinitely above the lower so just multiplying your power isnt gonna make you a higher dimension.
@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy
Given the DBZ Battle of the Gods. Having a certain level of Ki, God Ki, Blue SS, or Master UI / True UI etc. or even before those transformations... Is enough to transcend dimensionality.
As seen when Gotanks??? (If remember his name) warped all of reality in the infinite space of the cosmology bubble he was in, from his mere existence alone during his SS transformation.
Then Xeno Goku, with no SS forms, killed a character who could wipe out the entire cosmology of DBZ at the level of Zeno. And killed the Personification of all Evil who transcends dimensionality.
The feats Manga/Anime Goku has done, is a measure to Xeno Goku. Both variant characters show the potential of each other.
Honestly, Uncle grandpa soloes any verse out there and you cannot argue.
Omnipotent beings literally wipe uncle grandpa out of existence plot manipulation wipes uncle grandpa out of existence he's not even all powerful just a gag character 😊
@@Lucky-pc4tg* Uncle Grandpa when he gets wiped out of existence * "Glad im not that guy"
So this video is compearing on like 2v1 or 3v1(with i guess is the case), but how about a fully 1v1? How would it go?
The same way… he basically said shiki just no diffs…
Hey 👋 could you do super goku vs Superman again and do it with and without cc goku pls
W edit but this is the lowest of lowballs ive seen from xeno goku heck even gt goku im base can be scaled to outef
no.
@@ToasterXDyes
@@devaxionrl8189scale them to outer without it bwen debunkable then
@@lucionjones8685 you can debunk things only using faulty lines of logical interpretation which have no consistency within the realm. Xeno goku scales to outerversal.
@@devaxionrl8189 dude scale him and make sure its pretry soild cuz idk why you tryna talk about smt
Cuz i never seen a soild scaling about him been outerversal
I used to beleive he is high outer but thats not his consistence scaling snice its debunkable
So scale him up there and make it hard to debunk if you cant then you cant
You could definitely get canon goku to low complex depending on how you interpret the scans
yea dbs goku is 5D\6D around multiversal or low-complex i think
I disagree and I’ve said why in earlier videos. I think it’s mostly interpretation based so I don’t think 5D Goku is completely wrong. You could definitely use it if you see fit!
What anime are the others from? Fate?
I wonder if you’ve seen SsjRyu’s cosmology video?
And really Goku isn’t gonna do too much in a verse with pseudo-immortals and stuff running everywhere.
Manga Goku is High Complex Multiversal at the level of current Rebirth Superman.
But that's it... Zeno Goku is cracked.
Xeno goku scale: there are infinite realities one having infinite layers of space and time and super dimensions and the time nest contains all of that making the time nest infinite layers into outerversal and a high ball of boundless. and the tree of creation outscales this + trasncends infinity layers of the CONCEPT of space and time making it boundless-infinite layers into boundless bc it already outscaled the time nest. and xeno goku is confirmed to be infinenetly stronger than chronoa who could hold all of this by raw strength and infintie times the tree of creation + timenest = inaccesible layers/ with a lowball to infinite layers into boundless. and then each event takes place with a extra dimensional co-ordination. and demigra could destroy all of this with toki toki's power which was responsible for all of existence + non existence. and Demigra was able to transcend into the real world that saw all of this cosmology as fiction and demigra could destroy it and xeno goku beat him in base. Btw Demigra transcended to crack of time which existed outside of the time space and history
If you skip to the end i will provide you with a beyond tiering system scale
Hax:
-Wields the Key Sword (Deletes Opponents abilities/hax/Powers instantly and/or steals them + passive reality warping).
-Abilities;
Absorption
Power nullification
Acausality
Afterimage Creation
Non-Physical Interaction
Purification
Paralysis
Dimension creation where he has supreme control
Resistance to Existence and Erasure Regeneration and immortality
Negation
Fusion
Transformations
Sense
Reality Alteration
Plot Hole Creation
Time manipulation and alteration
Invulnerability
Instant Reflexes/Reaction Time
Infinite Endurance
Infinite Mana
Infinite Ki
Infinite Force
Infinite speed
Immunity negation (Negates opponent
immunities)
Miracle Creation
Concept Manipulation/Control
Weapon Creation
Plot manipulation immunity
Attack Reflection
Immortality
Dualism
Causality
Possibility
Dimensional Travel
Empathetic manipulation
Matter manipulation
Age manipulation
Corrosion Inducement
Soul manipulation
Key Sword (Deletes Opponents abilities/hax/Powers permanently)
-He can destroy infinite multiverses, infinite outerverses, infinite hierarchies of dimensions and timelines with infinite possibilities and events with his presence alone, including extra dimensional coordinates and infinite aleph 3 dimensions (high outer dimensions) in base form. Has strength theft/negation as well.
-Unimaginable Battle Experience. Lived through all of DB franchise.
-Instantaneous/infinite speed. Irrelevant : Existed outside the flow of time comparable to Towa.
Weakness : None Notable.
-Beings beyond the concepts of reality and creation itself are scared of Xeno Goku and imply he transcends them.
-Control and access to and over any Dimension.
-Transcends our knowledge, the real humans and the audience/player that view Dragon ball as fiction. + Gazed into infinite possibilities of infinite timelines which is a omniscient feat.
-He can and has defeated characters that can alter the outcome of situations, control infinite realities and fate, infinite creation, possibility, gods that create outerverses and extra dimensional coordinates, immortal gods and gods who literally have control over all of concepts with absolute ease.
-He can tank and has tanked all of creation being erased. Stood point blank while creation getting destroyed. Zero observable damage.
- Was a threat to a flow of time by just charging up as confirmed by the Kaioshin and was prohibited from from turning ssj as that might crumble entirety of reality. SSJ4 limitbreaker would rip apart truth itself.
-Saved beats world by killing Demigra, towa and Mira who were threatening to destroy the and we're threatening to destroy low outer to infinite layers into high outer constructs and Xeno Goku in base form toyed with and killed them.
-Can alter reality, time, force, possibilities, chance, physics boundaries, laws. etc...
He have almost Every type of Manipulation, Transmutaion, Purfication, Probabilty Rewrite, Reality Warping, Immunity Negation, Boundry Manipulation, Meta-Miracle
Manipulation, Meta-Disaster Manipulation And still alot of more crazy hax.
-Can manipulate anyone's very life, time, Boundry, matter, space and reality, conceptual, probability, immunity,means absolute nothing to him. He have the ability to create miracles (Meta-Miracle Manipulation) and destroy them (Meta-Disaster Manipulation)
Can easily beat your anti spiral, cas, hajun because he legit has strength theft that they cant get back and he can use, he legit can seal and lock up all of their transformations, he litteraly can steal and nullify their durability, he can nullify all of their immunitys meaning after that he can just erase them from existence. he wins with his HAX alone.
More cosmology: N/A since there are so many iterations of the cosmology and many weird paradoxes involving certain iterations of certain cosmologies of Dragon ball. But confirmed to be larger than JF db where JF Goku Destroyed Prometheus, who was gonna destroy all of shonen jump and was gonna fuse the REAL world with Anime, Prometheus also sees fiction as fiction and he's superior to Real Humans like he claimed and JF Goku beat him.
making a boundless carachter in their verse irrelevant layers into boundless.
And then the key sword has passive time manipulation and all types of the manipulations. and it steals their abilities and hax and seals up any sources of power so they wont be able to use any abilites lol.
btw heres a note: this is all stated in base form
- tier: in base: Beyond tiering system - Beyond irrelevant layers into boundless
More fax: Xeno goku > anti spiral
Xeno goku > Hajun
Xeno goku> cas
Xeno goku> archie sonic
Xeno goku> murphy lawden
Xeno goku> featherine
Xeno goku> TOAA
Xeno goku> anime
Xeno goku>ln rimiru
Xeno goku>Anos
Xeno Goku DBXV2 sources:
ua-cam.com/video/NctHPP-5Z64/v-deo.html
they lowballed him and he steal reaches beyond tiering lmao
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This ones a mega lowball but its still enough.
Xeno goku negs
Guess I haven’t been in the UA-cam comments enough for my views on Goku’s stats to be known
I regularly have Goku’s power at extradimensional, but his speed gets a little shaky being obviously faster than light by many levels of blitzing every arc and some things that enable immeasurable speed but usually when it comes to time & space related feats in db they’re typically done on accident rather than intentionally half the time
But it should be clear the way Gohan & Krillin were playing Guldo, not too many characters that do time stop would get much the chance to anything
Gilgamesh and Saber ain’t even top 60 in Nashuverse and putting Void Shiki against someone like Xeno Goku or any DB character is disrespectful to Void Shiki
Could’ve used Musashi, Zeus or something like that
Of course Gilgamesh is also appropriate but anything close to Void shiki is just disrespecting now
Grand Hassan neggs the verse
How xeno Goku can scale to a boneless to infinite boneless power
Shone here
m.ua-cam.com/video/-VptNCy30i8/v-deo.html&pp=ygUJeGVubyBnb2t1
Dude chill cuz this video actually lowballed xeno goku when not including super dimensions, cot, charisma world and real japan world which are all transcended dimensions above 9D, nor did he even include that xeno goku has some of the same hax and resistance that saber and gilgamesh have in this video.
@@malikmcfarlane6060 bro speaking facts
Dude doesnt understand that void is the strongest entity in the nasu verse. If we allow nasu verse logic to apply to goku. Its GG since the root is the highest existence in the verse and void can manipulate it.
@@Dmklegeek Right. So you think its possible to be higher diemensional than the very concept of nasu verse world rules personified? Your statement comes from a lack of understanding of what void is. This video didnt help either since the dude also doesnt understand void lol
Real 4d goku>>> the whole verse
Now how about Medaka from Medaka Box possibly defeating the Nasuverse? Who is the toppest tier of top tiers? Lol
I always forget who Medaka Box is. Is she the Female MC or that one with a billion Hax?
That said... In the Omniverse... Well... It's going to depend.
Madaka Box will always let the first hit on her be made with zero defence. That's how Kumagawa sealed bits of her power.
Void Shiki, on the other hand, will not hesitate to kill.
Of course... To what Type of Omnipotence does both carry? All of that depends.
Not all omnipotence is equal.
Can you do one of cid from eminence in the shadows vs sukana please
Finally
Archie sonic vs medaka
archie sonic presence neggs the verse
Can you do a Majin Buu (Comp) vs Rimuru Tempest.
I have heard Rimuru in the light novels is a universe buster, and I don't think anything except a composite of DBZ and DBS Buu along with GT Uub could compare to that level of power but I'm not a big DB fan so I could be wrong.
The only Buu I know is from the Anime who is just Galaxy Level, sadly.
Light Novel Rimuru becomes omnipotent by the end of the book.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615how about anime Rimuru?
If anime, buu does have a chance
@@Svropre6
My knowledge is limited on both characters, but based on Season 1 Rimuru and DBZ Buu. Buu wins because he's a Galaxy Buster when he was introduced in the DBZ Anime.
Rimuru has to equal or exceed a Galaxy level feat.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 actually you can scale buu to universal because of of Buuhan threatening to destroy the living universe with alternate dimensions and in the manga goku said the universe would go poof if kid buu want to destroy it.
Do af goku vs nasuverse next pls and thks
K buddy did Goku vs nasuverse, now do the og buddah wukong, although it’s not really that close, wukong slams 💀
who thinks Nasuverse>Wukong 😭
Stop wasting your time here and watch this video as it explains all of Sun Wu Kong's and Xeno Goku's abilities properly. ua-cam.com/video/74Z0RtWgW0Y/v-deo.html
@@ToasterXDhahah even Ren Fuji solo fodder fate
@ToasterXD Ye true
The only Difference that makes
Goku Better
Goku obtained That Power through Hard work and Training
Not by Someone else's, or he was gifted with power
Only Determination to get stronger and protect his Friends and Family
Cringe😂.
@@ash2crimson968 ok?
@@alibeknorbekov5963 Goku is a shitty person who only cares about fighting. He literally puts everyone's life at risk including his family for the sake of a good fight. And, the determination to get stronger and hard work is almost every shonen protagonist in history, Goku is not special in these traits.
@@alibeknorbekov5963No it doesn’t. Because Saber had her struggles when ruling Camelot and Shiki trained to improve her swordsmanship. Saber, Shiki and Gilgamesh are better characters than Goku. Goku is a solid character btw, but he just has average writing tbh.
@@bern8940 yea
Goku isn't a deep complex character
Don´t forget Arale is stated to be in DBHeroes aswell and her Powers are considerded to be fodder in DB Heroes ... so if you add that fact aswell, then Xeno Goku does indeed solo
Why is everyone saying Toaster lowballed Xeno Goku? Did I miss something?
no dbz fans just dont like admitting fate wipes
he is insanely lowballed didnt take some of the realma like charisma in who sees beast world as fiction keysword which negates every abillity even from a higher dimension etc@@Moomoomoomini
Doesn’t goku have boundary manipulation? Conceptual manipulation?
He does, actually.
Can Hurt and Kill Janemba, who is literally Evil Ideas given form. And Evil is a Multiversal scale Concept.
Scales to people who can Harm Tokitoki, the Embodiment of Time who also sustains the Existence of all dimensions in DBH
He can literally Plot hax Majority of Nasuverse to death With Arale.
He can also wish for the same immortality as Zamasu Via Super Shenron. Meaning even attacks on a conceptual Level won't kill him permanently.