The amount of xenophobia and bullying that's been happening around the topic is astounding, especially since they don't understand why a South African would view it as such. They don't want her to be respectful, they want her to meekly bow to their wishes and assimilate herself. Respect is getting that topic taken off the table before she even agrees to an interview. Bullying is bringing up the subject anyway. They're blind to how the host of that show was race-baiting her and, even when she wouldn't bite, still managed to make himself relevant for however long this lasts. I wonder if they'd be as possessive & demanding if she wasn't so beautiful or talented? I wonder if they'd be as aggressive if she was a man?
It's unfair to her and wanting her to bow down in defeat and change WHO SHE IS to fit their narrative is serious main character syndrome. I think what they are missing is this - Tyla doesn't call herself Coloured as a tag she made up, it's an actual race and term in countries such as South Africa, Zimbabwe etc. Unfortunately many of them think she is JUST saying Coloured without basis and for fun, then refuse to also educate themselves on the history.
@@devanshepard9118 I don't think it jealousy tbh in America a country with over 300million ppl it does not matter which state or city you live in, but in America there are a lot of women that look like tyla so it definetly not jealousy. And also like I said in a countty of over 300 million people they have talent everywhere and they will be fine without tyla because some other singer might get their interest and they won't care about tyla anymore. I believe the issue they have with her is her saying *i'm not black* yet you see her doing black hairstyles and the style of music she does was made by black people around the world. To Americans at least they see tyla as someone that is appropriating black culture and just everything that black. And like I said before a lot of women look like tyla for them to be jealousy, also Americans 9/10 support black singer only i'm not saying they don't support white singers but 9/10 they show all their support to a black singer... so when someone like tyla claims to not be a black person they will see that as a problem and stop supporting her because she's not black like them F.I.F: Black ppl in America make only 13% of the population and that the reason why they support their own more 😅 unless someone is not black they won't show much support. If tyla had said *i'm biracial or whatever* they would not have had a problem with her but instead she said *i'm not black* which is a problem for them because their community supported tyla the most and the white ppl in America could care less
@@shalbec3232 I do think it is jealousy cause when tyla won her Grammy it was only African Americans that were mad. Africans were happy that she won. Also I am seeing comments implying that she not special that she just an industry hoe which are usually jealous comments. There are woman that look like tyla in America but how many of them got a record breaking hit song like her? This controversy has shown that Americans don't bother to understand other cultures. Tyla is not a black woman. She is a coloured woman. Also in SA coloured woman wear braids as well and black South Africans do not have a problem with that. Hence why black South Africans were sticking up for tyla. If tyla was to say she was black people in South Africa would turn on her cause they know she is not black. This is why americans need to understand not everyone follows their culture or identification system.
You don't know what you're talking about because you don't know anything about Charlemange let alone American media. This is his brand of interviewing. Tyla is not special. If she wants to ingratiate her way into American culture, then she's going to have to deal with this. He label asked Charlemange that he not ask certain questions and he said no. It was then up to the label to either prepare her for the questions that were to come, or pull the interview all together. She's not a victim, and we know she's a plant.
Leave this baby girl alone! Why do black folks always have to "claim" everything and everyone? Yes, I'm black, but this is crazy. She is from South Africa, Coloured does not have the same meaning as we know it in America it is a race. Get over it. She is who she is and does not have to explain her race to anyone. We need to do better.
omg this diaspora "war" is becoming way too toxic. I have a Caribbean background but my family been in the US since 1950s, like i am my parents were born in America. However I do have a Trinidad flag on my twitter. I commented on a post I saw concerning Beyonce and I had people tell me to get out of black Americans business and stay in my Caribbean lane. I was astonished
@@devanshepard9118 There is a nativism movement in the US, and more and more Black Americans are becoming increasingly xenophobic. At the end of the day, it is a scarcity mindset; they don't like sharing the spotlight with non-American Black people. But too bad for them, because it's only the beginning!
He told Tyla that he has been to South Africa and even knows Bonang so he knows about South Africa . I am so shocked how clueless most black Americans are about South Africa. I am a coloured South African who fought in the 1976 struggle and was traumatised that I could not attend school for a year after been shot at. I am so proud to be South African even with all our race issues we are a resilient nation that I believe will overcome all our differences in time.
@@allisonseptember100 Good for you. No1 over here cares. Want to appeal to the American market, do it the American way. She's not that special. There are multiple female artists out of Africa whose music is better. No1 really knows her outside of that Water song anyways.
@@lifeisamatrix6904 You know that ain't gon happen. Lol. Either way, the lion's share of every artist's revenue comes from the yts. But if Blk Americans dn't approve, she might as well stay local.
1. You can't come to America and then get upset because you don't understand OUR culture. In OUR culture, we have no problem talking about our racial identity, sharing our culture, and accepting the good and bad that comes with it.
She said this IN America, not South Africa. So, she needs to know about OUR culture. In America it's considered disgraceful to be colorist. We had a distinction similar to colored 100+ years ago. It was called mullato. We evolved from that way of thinking post slavery.
When I travel to another country, I understand that the country has a different perspective and way of thinking because of the different political, cultural and historical perspective. I expect for people who visit my country to do the same. I am aware of the colored racial category. To me it is a bunch of made up nonsense. But that is her custom. Don’t expect African Americans to honor her customs here. Totally different context and history.
Hi Wemoto, i am a big fan. She should have responded to Charla just like Trevor Noah did when he explained South Africa’s history. You might think, "Oh, she doesn't have to teach anyone." But she’s in a country where this topic is sensitive, especially in the entertainment industry, which is influenced a lot by Black people and BLACKNESS. Its part of her Job. Hard Questions, paparazzi's and uncomfortable moments come with the territory. Some Black Americans might feel that she’s disrespecting Blackness. In South Africa, some colored people feel superior to Black people. We've seen videos of how some colored neighborhoods in Durban treat random Black South Africans who drive through. Black people are looked down on so much that some even bleach their skin to escape the harsh realities and gain a bit of acceptance. Some Black Americans might interpret TYLAs response *( the seeming skip of question )as a way of protecting her "proximity to whiteness," which was a practical reality during apartheid . African Americans are not forcing anyone to claim to be Black, Nobody should get it twisted! The vice president, Kamala Harris is of Indian Heritage, and the fact that she looks mixed race doesn't mean the black community accepts her as black. If VP kamala Harris came into the breakfast club in corn rows, i think Charla might have a problem with her for that ant that's how sensitive shit do get in the US. If Tyla is in that same category , yes America gets that. Everybody should be proud of whatever biological composition they are churned from but at the same time, you got to understand the emotions of each geo political terrain. Long Live TREVOR NOAH, He was such an artiste and skillful curator of timely speeches and pinpoint responses
I respect that. I think Trevor Noah definitely got it right in many ways and to be able to skillfully navigate it is testament to that. Is it possible he gets a pass as a comedian though? This topic is so sensitive and I hope common sense and respect will prevail above all!
@@MJWemoto I think Trevor Noah is Him. I have two heroes, Nelson Mandela and Trevor Noah and i am not even south African. He was that Ambassador that Africa needed. I was shopping in one of the biggest shopping centres here in Madrid, Spain last week And TYLAs Music was being played everywhere. She is wavy everywhere, and i hope the success continues.
im sorry Tyla job is too only make music not make anyone feel better about themselves. Also kamala and joe biden have both came on that show and been culturally insulting to black people and charlamagne and check them at all. As usual he only comes at woman he thinks he cna bully like he did with brandy, ciara, and lil mama
What does the NAACP stand for? And what country is the NAACP from? They don't get offended when we bring up the NAACP but freak out when tyla identifies with the same term. 😑
When other countries want America to know their culture, but they know nothing about actual American culture... 🙄 "Colored" is no different from "mullato" and we Americans have evolved from that level of colorism centuries ago. If she doesn't like our cultural views, she doesn't have to be here. Simple as that.
Also, there's a reason the word "colored" is used in the NAACP. Simply put, "colored" wasn't a name we chose for ourselves. And there was no distiction for light, dark, or mixed race black people. EVERY black person was "colored" so that is a not an equivalent statement. If you knew about our culture you'd know that.
She did the best she could to respect them. She confirmed that she understands that in America she is "black" but she is coloured IN SOUTH AFRICA. It would have come out one way or another. The colourism Nazi's in America would NOT let this one go - no matter how hard she tried.
Thanks for bringing this up. She is coloured and America should respect and learn about other countries way of identifying people. Dont impose things on her.
This is actually not an issue. Americans are always unnecessarily emotional. She is not from America & the way she is identified in her country is the way she is identified in her "country" SIMPLE.
I liked this commentary but it simplifies the narrative. It's educational and I appreciate it in that it explains the history of coloured South Africans and why the term is perceived differently depending on the country of origin. I also noticed that there was quite a bit of projection by Back Americans who didn't have the cultural context and history of Coloured people in South Africa. That said, I think the commentary lacks the nuanced perspective of how the capitalistic music industry and media particularly in America often uses racial ambiguity to erase black artists especially when it co-opts black culture to promote to a larger target audience. Essentially, the appropriation of Black culture. Black culture has historically been a significant source of innovation and creativity in music, influencing many genres. While Black artists often create these genres, the music industry aims to maximize profits by appealing to a broader audience, which includes a large number of white listeners. In the case of Tyla, the music industry is using Tyla's racial ambiguity to promote her music that is rooted in South African Black culture, re-packages it and promotes it to a larger international audience, only in this case, it is attempting to appeal to an American audience. The difference here is that they are trying to gain "cross-over" appeal to the Black American audience first (African Americans are the "Cool" and are often used to help legitimize the artist authenticity.) Typically once an international artist breaks into the Black American market, the next step is for the industry to push for a broader market appeal which is why the industry often promotes artists who are racially ambiguous-meaning their racial background is not easily identifiable. These artists can embody aspects of Black culture while still appealing to a wider white audience that might not fully embrace Black artists. This practice has been seen with various artists over the years who, whether intentionally or not, benefit from their ambiguous racial identity. The impact is a music industry that continues to profit from Black creativity while not always giving full credit or opportunities to Black artists. So when Black Americans who are sensitive to the idea of cultural appropriation, question Tyla about her ethnicity and she says "coloured", it's incumbent to her, to lean into that situation as a teaching moment. Educate her new Black American audience instead of shying away from the topic because what that Breakfast Club interview did, was make it seem that she was intentionally avoiding the topic, and her written statement afterwards saying that she is Coloured and Black, further reinforced the idea that she may be toeing the line in order to maintain her cross-over appeal. I think this is a complex issue but one worth diving in deeper. Thank you for your video essay attempting to address it.
Thank you for your comment section essay. I agree with every point you made. You should make your own video addressing this phenomenon showcasing other examples of racially ambiguous musicians and explain how they are marketed. You would also have to address the beauty standard pendulum in the United States and capitalism overall, perhaps 😅
I will warn this is going to be a very long explanation. 😁 BEFORE WE START : Not all Black Americans or Americans are ignorant and uneducated. However they are some who are, so this is not an attack on all Americans or Black Americans. I believe it's not fair to generalize any group of people. This is for educational purposes only. It is not meant to be hateful towards anyone. HISTORY OF THE COLOURED IDENTITY: Coloured refers to a racial and ethnic group in southern africa that consists of multiracial people who have been mixed over multiple generations. Their mixtures include African, European and Asian. The Coloured identity is recognized in South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Zambia and Botswana. South Africa has the highest population of coloured people: just above 5 million as of 2022. For context I will explain the other racial groups and ethnic groups in South Africa. Firstly is the Khoisan who are the indigenous people of Southern Africa. It is a collective term used to refer to two separate groups: the San and the Khoi Khoi. The San were hunter gatherers and Khoi Khoi were herders. Secondly there is the Bantu People. They originate from West-Central Africa and migrated down to Southern Africa. Each Bantu Tribe has its own traditions, language and culture. There is Xhosa, Zulu, Basotho, Venda, Ndebele, Twasna, Tsonga, Swazi and Pedi. Thirdly we have Indian South Africans. During the 1800s, Britain colonized South Africa. The Indians were labourers transported from British India to work on the sugar plantations in KwaZulu-Natal. This is from 1860 onwards. Lastly, the white people of South Africa who are predominantly descendants of Dutch, German, French Huguenot, English, Portuguese and other European settlers. In 1652 the Dutch arrived in the cape and later on produced the Cape Colony. Over time the Khoisan, the Bantu people, Indian people, European settlers and other South Asian slaves brought with the Dutch (Malaysia, Indonesia, etc) began mixing. Some of it was consensual and some of it was not. Coloured people were already a group even before apartheid was introduced, they just had others names and was not recognized in the government. But culturally they were considered a separate group. While the Dutch was still in power, they referred to the mixed race offspring as Kleurlinge. Apartheid was a racial segregation that perpetuated that non-white people had to live in separate areas and use separate facilities from one another. There was white, native(black) and then coloured. Indian, Coloured and Khoisan people were classified under Coloured as they did not fit into the requirements to be classified as black or white. When apartheid ended Indian people were given their own racial category, whereas the Khoisan and coloured people remained within the same racial category. Although all people of colour were oppressed during apartheid, there is a difference between the way that coloured people and black people were treated during apartheid. Coloured people did not have to carry a passbook and had slightly better education than black people. There is racism present in SOME coloured people towards black people. However, I find that it mostly occurs within in the older generations that grew up during apartheid. Therefore a Coloured person calling themselves black can be seen as offensive to Black South Africans as they did not and still do not share the same experiences, then and now. Coloured genetics can be differ from person to person and place to place. We have different subgroups in South Africa. Some are official, some are not. However I cannot speak on any other country. Note: Not every coloured within that province has that specific genetic ancestry but it is the most common. Cape Coloured: Present in the Western Cape. Mixed with European settlers, Khoisan, Xhosa and slaves from South Asia. Cape Malay: Present in the Western Cape. Predominantly descendants of Muslim Malaysian and Indonesian slaves mixed with Arabs, Europeans, Indians and africans Northern Cape Coloureds: Mixed with European and Khoisan similar to Namibian Coloureds. They have their own subgroups as well such as Griqua, Bosluis and Rehoboth Basters, etc. KwaZulu Natal and Gauteng Coloureds: Mixed with British, Irish, German, Mauritian, Saint Helenian, Indian, Xhosa and Zulu. Eastern Cape Coloureds: Mixed with British, Xhosa and Irish Free State Coloureds Mixed with Basotho, San and Dutch. I unfortunately don't know much about the coloured genetics of the other three provinces in South Africa. Coloured people are very diverse. They can look like any race. We come in all skin colours, hair textures, eye and hair colours and phenotypes. Coloureds have their own culture which includes slang, food, names and traditions. Coloured culture is a mixture of other cultures. For instance: They have alot of Asian influence in their cusuines. Some also speak Afrikaans like White South Africans. However White Afrikaans and Coloured Afrikaans is not the same. There is alot that I left out and this explanation only scratches at the surface of the Coloured identity. It's the most basic explanation I can give about coloured history. HISTORY OF TYLA CONTROVERSY: The controversy initially began last year when a tiktok Tyla made resurfaced onto Twitter. This tiktok was made 3-4 years prior to Water blowing up. In the tiktok she said: "Hi. I'm Tyla. I'm a Coloured South African. It means I come from many different cultures." Then Twitter did what Twitter does. Get offended over nothing🙄. Tyla then had an interview with Hollywood Zay back in March 2024. She said," In South Africa, my race is called coloured, which is a very stressful term to use in America because it's a derogatory term. But I mean that is what we are called in South Africa." In April 2024, Tyla had a Cosmopolitan interview where she again addressed her race. She said," I'm happy there's conversation happening and that people are learning that Africa is more than just black and white. Obviously, it gets messy and no one likes that but I'm just happy people know we exist and have our own culture. When people are like,' You're denying your Blackness,' it's not that at all. I never said I am not Black. It's just that I grew up as a South African knowing myself as Coloured. And now that I'm exposed to more things it has made me other things too. I'm also mixed race. I'm also black. I know people like finding a definition for things, but it's 'and' not 'or'. As young people we have a platform where we can speak about things like this, things that are new and controversial and scary. It's a perfect time for this conversation to happen." Recently Tyla was on the Breakfast Club and her team told them that some questions should not be asked including her race. However Charlamagne went and asked them anyway, hence Tyla and her team's reaction. Tyla never said anything offensive and has explained herself on three different occasions but continues to receive backlash. The bad press was caused by Twitter outrage and tabloids with misleading titles such as "Tyla says she's not black", etc. THE CRITIQUE OF TYLA PANDERING TO A BLACK AMERICAN AUDIENCE: I wholly disagree with this statement. Here are more specific critiques. Critique: "Tyla only markets herself to Black Americans." On Tyla's music channel, there are shorts where she has been performing in Africa. She was also an opening act for Chris Brown's Under the influence European tour. She also performed on the Bianca show which is also in Europe. Then when Water blew up, she came and performed in the US. Tyla had a meet and greet in the UK and a meet and greet in South Africa, Johannesburg. Tyla is aiming for International stardom. She said herself she wants to become the biggest popstar ever. Tyla is also inspired by alot of Black American artists especially artists from the 90s and 2000s. In her interview with Hollywood Zay she said this," I feel like Hip Hop and RnB is a big part of my culture back home as well. (Because, I mean, in South Africa, my race is called coloured, which is a very stressful term to use in America because it's a derogatory term. But I mean that is what we are called in South Africa.) A huge part of our culture is HipHop and RnB. I grew up around it. I mean my parents, that was our wake up call, RnB and HipHop would blast in the house." Critique:" Tyla appropriates black hairstyles." In South Africa both coloured and black people wear afros, braids, cornrows, etc. Because alot of coloured people also have textured hair. I do understand that cultural appropriation is a big issue in the US so I understand why some would be weary. But I believe that cultural appreciation and cultural appropriation are often confused. But cultural appropriation is not as common in South Africa from what I've seen. Tyla as a person screams South African and screams coloured. Her accent, her mannerisms, her verbiage, her music and her dancing. Tyla is an African woman because she was born and raised in South Africa. Africa is a continent, not a race.
WE👏🏾KNOW👏🏾WHAT👏🏾IT👏🏾MEANS👏🏾 It's still considered COLORIST/RACIST in OUR culture. She is in the USA. She needs to understand OUR culture, not the other way around.
This is all Tyla's fault. She should have explained her identity to the American masses on a large platform such as The Breakfast Club. Instead, she chose to be quiet and let her publicist cover. This presents as a person who is not comfortable with her identity or/and is cosplaying as a black woman. If Tyla had cleared this up, there would have never been no controversy.
Why must she explain herself again u Americans think the world ends with u wake up an try to learn wats happening around u u are so closed minded it's embarrassing .... She's a South African an that's it
Actually she has covered this before but even if she did respond Americans still would have had a problem. Why is it even an issue if she does not want to discuss it. Why would they ask her about it if she asked not to talk about it. Americans are obsessed about race. This just proves at your exact argument, trying to still blame her for something so simple. You guys love chaos. If she doesn't want to make it a talking point anymore, so be it. But no, someone is still gonna whine and cry about something.
I am mixed race and South African too. I see myself as politically black but culturally black. Leave this fearless,talented and beautiful girl alone. African Americans need a lot of schooling about themselves never-ending others.
Then when a person asks a question to understand the culture, have a conversation or dialogue because they don’t know. The majority of the audience that listens to the Breakfast Club don’t know about it but that neck snap when the question was asked and the manager jumping in was a missed opportunity to teach a population that didn’t know the difference.
Wait! The breakfast club show was her perfect opportunity to school everyone about her culture but she didn't do it. She keep making these weird moves.
That question take it as what it is. He said school me on it. That was her opportunity to educate because Black Americans have a different view based on their history. There are cultural differences and she could have shed light on that situation. Charlemagne didn’t seem to be race-baiting. He asked a legitimate question and was looking for clarification
Charlemagne and Americans in general must sit down and climb back into their little corner - I’m South African, I’m coloured, everyone identifies with it. People must calm down. Your video explains it well 👍🏻
@@katinaSO9170 as I said before, unless you’re South African, sit down back in your little corner coz on this topic of debate, you have nothing to offer.
She did well to not answer because u can't always use the word in every interview while u r in the country which feels offensive hearing the word. She did explain about her race before even on magazines but get backlash
Really All this drama is from her saying ''We'' as Foundational Black American's and Our ''Reparations/Tangibles'' shouldn't be owed to Us. Tyla isn't part of Our ''Black American Culture or Black American Lineage'', so when she went against/undermining Black American ''Reparation's.. I don't like The Breakfast Club, but no African/Jamaican or Haitian shouldn't undermine Foundation Black America and speak about what's should've been promised..
2. Yall in SA are new to this whole mutiracial society thing compared to us. We've been doing it for centuries. CULTURALLY we have developed differently. In black culture, black is black. Mixed is black AND ___(insert race). Dark, light skinned, whatever we are one. We decided after slavery that we won't subscribe to separating ourselves through colorism. Your "colored" is our "mullato" from 100+ years ago. So, to us, it's a very undeveloped, colorist concept. And to have such a distinction on a political level is astounding. Again, that might fly in SA, but she is not in SA. She's in USA. That mindset doesn't fly here.
Whats so difficult with respecting and unerdtsnding each other ..Africans or should i say blacks please wake up andsmell the coffee.. there are bigger issues on our table..
A black person in american can call themselves anything they want. They call each other the N-word which is the most offensive term for a black person. "Coloured people" was a term used by white people to describe black people (or any other race) during the period of segregation in America however, now, the term "people of colour" has become popularized. Coloured = offensive, person of colour = acceptable. It really comes down to Americans, generally, totally disregarding any and all cultures outside of their own and not realizing that every country has it's own history, language, culture and racial diversity.
When people are not prepared to hear and learn, you can tell them 100 times they will learn nothing. This issue has being explained so many times, but some black Americans can still not understand. What must we call this? Ignorant, dumbness, stiffness, stupidity or what. I understand that even that controversial intervier of Tyler is an old man of 50ys who qualify to be her father could not show fatherly love in his reckless interview. How many times this topic must be clarified, even to this adults is unbelievable. Are they hellbent to destroy the girl, for what?
OMG I noticed starting in 2022 there been this "war" concerning the african diaspora around identity and culture. I think it started with the debate about whether Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans were involved in the early stages of hip hop. Now it has evolved into this nonsense. I have seen people even accuse artist like Sade and Seal of being cultural appropriating black culture because they are black immigrants. its too much
The mistreatment is only because Tyla says She's Coloured. As well as I'm Coloured and black. Now if she only said I'M BLACK. There wouldn't be any issue
What do you mean there wouldn’t be any issue? There would be an issue because in South Africa Tula is classified as Coloured. We South Africans know what that means and understand the significance of her boldly affirming it.
That's the way her label marketed Tyla towards Black people. The images you have seen of her with Afros isn't her real hair. They are exploiting her ambiguity to appeal to a Black audience.
Thank you for calling them out,i respectfully educated them about the beautiful relationship we have with Coloured communities as Black communities in SA,lets hope they 👂
America and Europe had mixed people and they were called mulatto; however, because of the different special treatment by white people of the mulattos, that brought resentment from the black community. Also, mulattos were only recognized as such if you looked white with ver light to white skin, not tan or brown. So, for black Americans to hear her say that she is colored to an American, bring back to apartheid days in America when we had groups like mulattos. I am light skinned to the point that even white people think that I am white, but I am a black female, whose family were once called mulattos. The world knows that Africans are colonized and some are just coming out of apartheid and this colored identity is a trigger to people who know the history of racism.
Coloured mean a different thing in America so in America tyle is not coloured but a black girl and it does not matter if she looks more indian or whatever. American media is toxic and what I don't understand is why does Tyla need to be famous in America? As a matter of fact why do English speaking African singers want to be known in America. I'm pretty sure when Tyla was exposing herself in America and to americans she knew how this would go down.. I said this before but I will say it again, the more tyla continues to expose herself in America they will ruin her even before she's known everywhere because right now she's mainly known in America,South africa and other English speaking countries in Africa and around the world. The rest of Africa does not even know her or care to be honest Tyla is mainly famous in English speaking countries just saying... P.S: *this is not coming from an American but someone that lives in the U.S. I know how things works here and if tyla want to save her career she better stop selling herself in America they will RUIN her. They do this to everyone idk if you guys are familiar with ice spice but ice spice was the old Tyla, she became famous just like Tyla is right now and everyone was talking about her but no one in America gaf about her anymore. They do this with every singer and it the truth💀 tyla might be known right now but trust me it won't take long before Americans get tired of her and forget about her then a new female singer will be the new tyla and replace her* it the same cycle everytime in the U.S😂
Yes and she respected Americans by saying she knows she is "black" in America (Source: Cosmpolitan Interview) and accepts that. And in SOUTH AFRICA she is coloured.
She’s not wrong BUT the U.S. music scene is one (not the only) of the largest in the world. If you are trying to promote yourself in a market, you need to understand the culture and the history of the market. Race is a crazy topic and smart celebrities avoid it or have a practiced answers.
Thank you…trying to make black Americans as problematic is crazy because of what our people went through here in America…she didn’t understand this and that’s ok but trying to make us feel crazy for saying something about it is nuts
@mina2719 Tyla didn't dismiss American struggle in any form she explained her ethnicity on the South African context then black American told her she can't call herself colored, Tyla still doesn't leave in America she is probably on a working Visa
@@afrikawewant5390no one said she dismissed anything but coming to a country where race plays a huge part in our lives and not understanding that is wild…she can be here but when you’re staying here and getting interviewed here and they are wanting to understand why people in South Africa are called colored where as it’s a discriminated term here in America
@@mina2719 what does she not understand and what did she do? You narcissists just wanna force everyone into your boxes to make you feel good about yourself
You’re not from the USA so you have no idea of why her words hit us, black Americans the way it did. Maybe you should watch a video on coloreds and blacks in her country. The white folks in her country treat black folks better than the colored folks and she knows it which is why she fought so hard to be called colored. If she wants to come to the USA then she needs to recognize and respect the black African American history, our suffering, our pain, our colorism and our triumphs. “When you are in Rome…”. I say all this to say, I find your video and her to be offensive and insensitive and that’s what is truly disgusting and disrespectful!
Would you as an African American be okay with being called Coloured in South Africa? Because most African Americans will be called Coloured here. The difference is that if you say you're black and from America we won't push the Coloured identity on you
Ye I get ur point, but u have to understand, in south africa shes not considerate black. Colored is not just being mix raced for them, they have they own culture they own vibe, so in south africa she's not labeled as black . She can't accommodate you, by hurting her own people.
What does Zulu and Black mean? Is it like saying Ibibio and Black? Or saying Hausa and Black? - You don't like being called black but you like representing Black people in music? Maybe, I don't understand though.
That’s a stretch Coloured is her ethnicity; Black America has different ethnicities, but most of us find comfort in using the Umbrella term of Black. Neither is wrong. Most of Black America IS mixed but we suffered from Jim Crow Laws versus Apartheid… so of course it makes our histories and present different when it comes classifications.
The amount of xenophobia and bullying that's been happening around the topic is astounding, especially since they don't understand why a South African would view it as such. They don't want her to be respectful, they want her to meekly bow to their wishes and assimilate herself. Respect is getting that topic taken off the table before she even agrees to an interview. Bullying is bringing up the subject anyway. They're blind to how the host of that show was race-baiting her and, even when she wouldn't bite, still managed to make himself relevant for however long this lasts. I wonder if they'd be as possessive & demanding if she wasn't so beautiful or talented? I wonder if they'd be as aggressive if she was a man?
It's unfair to her and wanting her to bow down in defeat and change WHO SHE IS to fit their narrative is serious main character syndrome. I think what they are missing is this - Tyla doesn't call herself Coloured as a tag she made up, it's an actual race and term in countries such as South Africa, Zimbabwe etc. Unfortunately many of them think she is JUST saying Coloured without basis and for fun, then refuse to also educate themselves on the history.
right the amount of backlash that girl gets is ridiculous and yes I do think it somewhat jealousy
@@devanshepard9118 I don't think it jealousy tbh in America a country with over 300million ppl it does not matter which state or city you live in, but in America there are a lot of women that look like tyla so it definetly not jealousy. And also like I said in a countty of over 300 million people they have talent everywhere and they will be fine without tyla because some other singer might get their interest and they won't care about tyla anymore. I believe the issue they have with her is her saying *i'm not black* yet you see her doing black hairstyles and the style of music she does was made by black people around the world. To Americans at least they see tyla as someone that is appropriating black culture and just everything that black. And like I said before a lot of women look like tyla for them to be jealousy, also Americans 9/10 support black singer only i'm not saying they don't support white singers but 9/10 they show all their support to a black singer... so when someone like tyla claims to not be a black person they will see that as a problem and stop supporting her because she's not black like them
F.I.F: Black ppl in America make only 13% of the population and that the reason why they support their own more 😅 unless someone is not black they won't show much support. If tyla had said *i'm biracial or whatever* they would not have had a problem with her but instead she said *i'm not black* which is a problem for them because their community supported tyla the most and the white ppl in America could care less
@@shalbec3232 I do think it is jealousy cause when tyla won her Grammy it was only African Americans that were mad. Africans were happy that she won. Also I am seeing comments implying that she not special that she just an industry hoe which are usually jealous comments. There are woman that look like tyla in America but how many of them got a record breaking hit song like her?
This controversy has shown that Americans don't bother to understand other cultures. Tyla is not a black woman. She is a coloured woman. Also in SA coloured woman wear braids as well and black South Africans do not have a problem with that. Hence why black South Africans were sticking up for tyla.
If tyla was to say she was black people in South Africa would turn on her cause they know she is not black. This is why americans need to understand not everyone follows their culture or identification system.
You don't know what you're talking about because you don't know anything about Charlemange let alone American media.
This is his brand of interviewing. Tyla is not special. If she wants to ingratiate her way into American culture, then she's going to have to deal with this.
He label asked Charlemange that he not ask certain questions and he said no.
It was then up to the label to either prepare her for the questions that were to come, or pull the interview all together.
She's not a victim, and we know she's a plant.
Leave this baby girl alone! Why do black folks always have to "claim" everything and everyone? Yes, I'm black, but this is crazy. She is from South Africa, Coloured does not have the same meaning as we know it in America it is a race. Get over it. She is who she is and does not have to explain her race to anyone. We need to do better.
omg this diaspora "war" is becoming way too toxic. I have a Caribbean background but my family been in the US since 1950s, like i am my parents were born in America. However I do have a Trinidad flag on my twitter. I commented on a post I saw concerning Beyonce and I had people tell me to get out of black Americans business and stay in my Caribbean lane. I was astonished
@@devanshepard9118 wow that's wild
@@devanshepard9118 There is a nativism movement in the US, and more and more Black Americans are becoming increasingly xenophobic. At the end of the day, it is a scarcity mindset; they don't like sharing the spotlight with non-American Black people. But too bad for them, because it's only the beginning!
Charlemagne got schooled by Trevor Noah, he isnt all that. Tasteless.
He comes through with such bad energy and he is very cunning.
He told Tyla that he has been to South Africa and even knows Bonang so he knows about South Africa . I am so shocked how clueless most black Americans are about South Africa. I am a coloured South African who fought in the 1976 struggle and was traumatised that I could not attend school for a year after been shot at. I am so proud to be South African even with all our race issues we are a resilient nation that I believe will overcome all our differences in time.
Trevor didn't "school" anyone, as that is not his style. They had a conversation.
@@allisonseptember100 Good for you. No1 over here cares. Want to appeal to the American market, do it the American way. She's not that special. There are multiple female artists out of Africa whose music is better. No1 really knows her outside of that Water song anyways.
@@StuartCallendar likewise this side we don't care but so loud 14% of the population
They need to leave that young girl alone. she's unproblematic doing her thing in peace.
100% agree
Absolutely
If she wants to appeal to the American market, this is the rite of passage. She isn't special.
@@lifeisamatrix6904 I'm pretty sure she's comfortable right where she's at.
@@lifeisamatrix6904 You know that ain't gon happen. Lol. Either way, the lion's share of every artist's revenue comes from the yts. But if Blk Americans dn't approve, she might as well stay local.
Not fair at all. I feel so angry on her behalf
She doesn't deserve such treatment
1. You can't come to America and then get upset because you don't understand OUR culture. In OUR culture, we have no problem talking about our racial identity, sharing our culture, and accepting the good and bad that comes with it.
“ Coloured “ is just simply a race, as we have Zulu, Xhosa, Venda etc & we all South Africans 💯%.!
Zulu and venda is not a race but tribe
Very sorry for her 🇳🇬
Colored is not a race. What are you talking about?
This they meant tribe instead of race
@@lilmagic1627it is here in South Africa, we have black,Indian,white,colored etc.
African Americans need to understand their experience is not the only experience of Black People.
@@lifeisamatrix6904 adapt how?
@@lifeisamatrix6904 yes sir🇺🇲
She said this IN America, not South Africa. So, she needs to know about OUR culture. In America it's considered disgraceful to be colorist. We had a distinction similar to colored 100+ years ago. It was called mullato. We evolved from that way of thinking post slavery.
@@angelic9889 that just means do research and pick up a book
is education illegal in America???you'd swear there's no internet there cause wtf😂😂
When I travel to another country, I understand that the country has a different perspective and way of thinking because of the different political, cultural and historical perspective. I expect for people who visit my country to do the same. I am aware of the colored racial category. To me it is a bunch of made up nonsense. But that is her custom. Don’t expect African Americans to honor her customs here. Totally different context and history.
Colored=mullato. That's why it rubs us the wrong way.
Hi Wemoto, i am a big fan. She should have responded to Charla just like Trevor Noah did when he explained South Africa’s history. You might think, "Oh, she doesn't have to teach anyone." But she’s in a country where this topic is sensitive, especially in the entertainment industry, which is influenced a lot by Black people and BLACKNESS. Its part of her Job. Hard Questions, paparazzi's and uncomfortable moments come with the territory.
Some Black Americans might feel that she’s disrespecting Blackness. In South Africa, some colored people feel superior to Black people. We've seen videos of how some colored neighborhoods in Durban treat random Black South Africans who drive through. Black people are looked down on so much that some even bleach their skin to escape the harsh realities and gain a bit of acceptance.
Some Black Americans might interpret TYLAs response *( the seeming skip of question )as a way of protecting her "proximity to whiteness," which was a practical reality during apartheid .
African Americans are not forcing anyone to claim to be Black, Nobody should get it twisted! The vice president, Kamala Harris is of Indian Heritage, and the fact that she looks mixed race doesn't mean the black community accepts her as black. If VP kamala Harris came into the breakfast club in corn rows, i think Charla might have a problem with her for that ant that's how sensitive shit do get in the US. If Tyla is in that same category , yes America gets that. Everybody should be proud of whatever biological composition they are churned from but at the same time, you got to understand the emotions of each geo political terrain. Long Live TREVOR NOAH, He was such an artiste and skillful curator of timely speeches and pinpoint responses
I respect that. I think Trevor Noah definitely got it right in many ways and to be able to skillfully navigate it is testament to that. Is it possible he gets a pass as a comedian though? This topic is so sensitive and I hope common sense and respect will prevail above all!
@@MJWemoto I think Trevor Noah is Him. I have two heroes, Nelson Mandela and Trevor Noah and i am not even south African. He was that Ambassador that Africa needed. I was shopping in one of the biggest shopping centres here in Madrid, Spain last week And TYLAs Music was being played everywhere. She is wavy everywhere, and i hope the success continues.
im sorry Tyla job is too only make music not make anyone feel better about themselves. Also kamala and joe biden have both came on that show and been culturally insulting to black people and charlamagne and check them at all. As usual he only comes at woman he thinks he cna bully like he did with brandy, ciara, and lil mama
What does the NAACP stand for? And what country is the NAACP from? They don't get offended when we bring up the NAACP but freak out when tyla identifies with the same term. 😑
We were forced to be colored when the NAACP was founded. Or be hung from a tree. You talking about the early 1900s in America
When other countries want America to know their culture, but they know nothing about actual American culture... 🙄 "Colored" is no different from "mullato" and we Americans have evolved from that level of colorism centuries ago. If she doesn't like our cultural views, she doesn't have to be here. Simple as that.
Also, there's a reason the word "colored" is used in the NAACP. Simply put, "colored" wasn't a name we chose for ourselves. And there was no distiction for light, dark, or mixed race black people. EVERY black person was "colored" so that is a not an equivalent statement. If you knew about our culture you'd know that.
She did the best she could to respect them. She confirmed that she understands that in America she is "black" but she is coloured IN SOUTH AFRICA. It would have come out one way or another. The colourism Nazi's in America would NOT let this one go - no matter how hard she tried.
Thanks for bringing this up. She is coloured and America should respect and learn about other countries way of identifying people. Dont impose things on her.
100% agree
This is actually not an issue. Americans are always unnecessarily emotional. She is not from America & the way she is identified in her country is the way she is identified in her "country" SIMPLE.
In the imaginary domain.
Me: Chezza u r black my bro
Cheslyn: Black jou ma!
I liked this commentary but it simplifies the narrative. It's educational and I appreciate it in that it explains the history of coloured South Africans and why the term is perceived differently depending on the country of origin. I also noticed that there was quite a bit of projection by Back Americans who didn't have the cultural context and history of Coloured people in South Africa. That said, I think the commentary lacks the nuanced perspective of how the capitalistic music industry and media particularly in America often uses racial ambiguity to erase black artists especially when it co-opts black culture to promote to a larger target audience. Essentially, the appropriation of Black culture. Black culture has historically been a significant source of innovation and creativity in music, influencing many genres. While Black artists often create these genres, the music industry aims to maximize profits by appealing to a broader audience, which includes a large number of white listeners.
In the case of Tyla, the music industry is using Tyla's racial ambiguity to promote her music that is rooted in South African Black culture, re-packages it and promotes it to a larger international audience, only in this case, it is attempting to appeal to an American audience. The difference here is that they are trying to gain "cross-over" appeal to the Black American audience first (African Americans are the "Cool" and are often used to help legitimize the artist authenticity.) Typically once an international artist breaks into the Black American market, the next step is for the industry to push for a broader market appeal which is why the industry often promotes artists who are racially ambiguous-meaning their racial background is not easily identifiable. These artists can embody aspects of Black culture while still appealing to a wider white audience that might not fully embrace Black artists. This practice has been seen with various artists over the years who, whether intentionally or not, benefit from their ambiguous racial identity. The impact is a music industry that continues to profit from Black creativity while not always giving full credit or opportunities to Black artists. So when Black Americans who are sensitive to the idea of cultural appropriation, question Tyla about her ethnicity and she says "coloured", it's incumbent to her, to lean into that situation as a teaching moment. Educate her new Black American audience instead of shying away from the topic because what that Breakfast Club interview did, was make it seem that she was intentionally avoiding the topic, and her written statement afterwards saying that she is Coloured and Black, further reinforced the idea that she may be toeing the line in order to maintain her cross-over appeal.
I think this is a complex issue but one worth diving in deeper. Thank you for your video essay attempting to address it.
Thank you for your comment section essay. I agree with every point you made. You should make your own video addressing this phenomenon showcasing other examples of racially ambiguous musicians and explain how they are marketed. You would also have to address the beauty standard pendulum in the United States and capitalism overall, perhaps 😅
Thanks for your nuance. I haven't seen a lot of that with respect to this dialog.
I will warn this is going to be a very long explanation. 😁
BEFORE WE START :
Not all Black Americans or Americans are ignorant and uneducated. However they are some who are, so this is not an attack on all Americans or Black Americans. I believe it's not fair to generalize any group of people.
This is for educational purposes only. It is not meant to be hateful towards anyone.
HISTORY OF THE COLOURED IDENTITY:
Coloured refers to a racial and ethnic group in southern africa that consists of multiracial people who have been mixed over multiple generations.
Their mixtures include African, European and Asian. The Coloured identity is recognized in South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Zambia and Botswana. South Africa has the highest population of coloured people: just above 5 million as of 2022.
For context I will explain the other racial groups and ethnic groups in South Africa.
Firstly is the Khoisan who are the indigenous people of Southern Africa. It is a collective term used to refer to two separate groups: the San and the Khoi Khoi. The San were hunter gatherers and Khoi Khoi were herders.
Secondly there is the Bantu People. They originate from West-Central Africa and migrated down to Southern Africa. Each Bantu Tribe has its own traditions, language and culture.
There is Xhosa, Zulu, Basotho, Venda, Ndebele, Twasna, Tsonga, Swazi and Pedi.
Thirdly we have Indian South Africans. During the 1800s, Britain colonized South Africa. The Indians were labourers transported from British India to work on the sugar plantations in KwaZulu-Natal. This is from 1860 onwards.
Lastly, the white people of South Africa who are predominantly descendants of Dutch, German, French Huguenot, English, Portuguese and other European settlers.
In 1652 the Dutch arrived in the cape and later on produced the Cape Colony. Over time the Khoisan, the Bantu people, Indian people, European settlers and other South Asian slaves brought with the Dutch (Malaysia, Indonesia, etc) began mixing. Some of it was consensual and some of it was not.
Coloured people were already a group even before apartheid was introduced, they just had others names and was not recognized in the government. But culturally they were considered a separate group. While the Dutch was still in power, they referred to the mixed race offspring as Kleurlinge.
Apartheid was a racial segregation that perpetuated that non-white people had to live in separate areas and use separate facilities from one another.
There was white, native(black) and then coloured.
Indian, Coloured and Khoisan people were classified under Coloured as they did not fit into the requirements to be classified as black or white. When apartheid ended Indian people were given their own racial category, whereas the Khoisan and coloured people remained within the same racial category.
Although all people of colour were oppressed during apartheid, there is a difference between the way that coloured people and black people were treated during apartheid. Coloured people did not have to carry a passbook and had slightly better education than black people.
There is racism present in SOME coloured people towards black people. However, I find that it mostly occurs within in the older generations that grew up during apartheid.
Therefore a Coloured person calling themselves black can be seen as offensive to Black South Africans as they did not and still do not share the same experiences, then and now.
Coloured genetics can be differ from person to person and place to place.
We have different subgroups in South Africa. Some are official, some are not. However I cannot speak on any other country.
Note: Not every coloured within that province has that specific genetic ancestry but it is the most common.
Cape Coloured:
Present in the Western Cape. Mixed with European settlers, Khoisan, Xhosa and slaves from South Asia.
Cape Malay:
Present in the Western Cape. Predominantly descendants of Muslim Malaysian and Indonesian slaves mixed with Arabs, Europeans, Indians and africans
Northern Cape Coloureds:
Mixed with European and Khoisan similar to Namibian Coloureds.
They have their own subgroups as well such as Griqua, Bosluis and Rehoboth Basters, etc.
KwaZulu Natal and Gauteng Coloureds:
Mixed with British, Irish, German, Mauritian, Saint Helenian, Indian, Xhosa and Zulu.
Eastern Cape Coloureds:
Mixed with British, Xhosa and Irish
Free State Coloureds
Mixed with Basotho, San and Dutch.
I unfortunately don't know much about the coloured genetics of the other three provinces in South Africa.
Coloured people are very diverse. They can look like any race.
We come in all skin colours, hair textures, eye and hair colours and phenotypes.
Coloureds have their own culture which includes slang, food, names and traditions.
Coloured culture is a mixture of other cultures. For instance: They have alot of Asian influence in their cusuines. Some also speak Afrikaans like White South Africans. However White Afrikaans and Coloured Afrikaans is not the same.
There is alot that I left out and this explanation only scratches at the surface of the Coloured identity. It's the most basic explanation I can give about coloured history.
HISTORY OF TYLA CONTROVERSY:
The controversy initially began last year when a tiktok Tyla made resurfaced onto Twitter. This tiktok was made 3-4 years prior to Water blowing up.
In the tiktok she said:
"Hi. I'm Tyla. I'm a Coloured South African. It means I come from many different cultures."
Then Twitter did what Twitter does.
Get offended over nothing🙄.
Tyla then had an interview with Hollywood Zay back in March 2024.
She said," In South Africa, my race is called coloured, which is a very stressful term to use in America because it's a derogatory term. But I mean that is what we are called in South Africa."
In April 2024, Tyla had a Cosmopolitan interview where she again addressed her race.
She said," I'm happy there's conversation happening and that people are learning that Africa is more than just black and white. Obviously, it gets messy and no one likes that but I'm just happy people know we exist and have our own culture.
When people are like,' You're denying your Blackness,' it's not that at all. I never said I am not Black. It's just that I grew up as a South African knowing myself as Coloured. And now that I'm exposed to more things it has made me other things too. I'm also mixed race. I'm also black. I know people like finding a definition for things, but it's 'and' not 'or'. As young people we have a platform where we can speak about things like this, things that are new and controversial and scary. It's a perfect time for this conversation to happen."
Recently Tyla was on the Breakfast Club and her team told them that some questions should not be asked including her race. However Charlamagne went and asked them anyway, hence Tyla and her team's reaction.
Tyla never said anything offensive and has explained herself on three different occasions but continues to receive backlash.
The bad press was caused by Twitter outrage and tabloids with misleading titles such as "Tyla says she's not black", etc.
THE CRITIQUE OF TYLA PANDERING TO A BLACK AMERICAN AUDIENCE:
I wholly disagree with this statement.
Here are more specific critiques.
Critique: "Tyla only markets herself to Black Americans."
On Tyla's music channel, there are shorts where she has been performing in Africa. She was also an opening act for Chris Brown's Under the influence European tour. She also performed on the Bianca show which is also in Europe. Then when Water blew up, she came and performed in the US.
Tyla had a meet and greet in the UK and a meet and greet in South Africa, Johannesburg.
Tyla is aiming for International stardom. She said herself she wants to become the biggest popstar ever.
Tyla is also inspired by alot of Black American artists especially artists from the 90s and 2000s.
In her interview with Hollywood Zay she said this," I feel like Hip Hop and RnB is a big part of my culture back home as well. (Because, I mean, in South Africa, my race is called coloured, which is a very stressful term to use in America because it's a derogatory term. But I mean that is what we are called in South Africa.) A huge part of our culture is HipHop and RnB. I grew up around it. I mean my parents, that was our wake up call, RnB and HipHop would blast in the house."
Critique:" Tyla appropriates black hairstyles."
In South Africa both coloured and black people wear afros, braids, cornrows, etc. Because alot of coloured people also have textured hair.
I do understand that cultural appropriation is a big issue in the US so I understand why some would be weary. But I believe that cultural appreciation and cultural appropriation are often confused.
But cultural appropriation is not as common in South Africa from what I've seen.
Tyla as a person screams South African and screams coloured. Her accent, her mannerisms, her verbiage, her music and her dancing.
Tyla is an African woman because she was born and raised in South Africa.
Africa is a continent, not a race.
WE👏🏾KNOW👏🏾WHAT👏🏾IT👏🏾MEANS👏🏾 It's still considered COLORIST/RACIST in OUR culture. She is in the USA. She needs to understand OUR culture, not the other way around.
Colored=Mulatto here. So, we get the concept. It's just that we evolved from that level of colorism 100+ years ago.
@angelic9889 I write this whole explanation but you still choose to be ignorant. ☠️
This is all Tyla's fault. She should have explained her identity to the American masses on a large platform such as The Breakfast Club. Instead, she chose to be quiet and let her publicist cover. This presents as a person who is not comfortable with her identity or/and is cosplaying as a black woman. If Tyla had cleared this up, there would have never been no controversy.
Why must she explain herself again u Americans think the world ends with u wake up an try to learn wats happening around u u are so closed minded it's embarrassing .... She's a South African an that's it
Actually she has covered this before but even if she did respond Americans still would have had a problem. Why is it even an issue if she does not want to discuss it. Why would they ask her about it if she asked not to talk about it. Americans are obsessed about race. This just proves at your exact argument, trying to still blame her for something so simple. You guys love chaos. If she doesn't want to make it a talking point anymore, so be it. But no, someone is still gonna whine and cry about something.
Why does it matter so much in America? She's an artist,do you like her music? If so her identity shouldn't matter.
I am mixed race and South African too. I see myself as politically black but culturally black. Leave this fearless,talented and beautiful girl alone. African Americans need a lot of schooling about themselves never-ending others.
Agreed fully!
Then when a person asks a question to understand the culture, have a conversation or dialogue because they don’t know. The majority of the audience that listens to the Breakfast Club don’t know about it but that neck snap when the question was asked and the manager jumping in was a missed opportunity to teach a population that didn’t know the difference.
Wait! The breakfast club show was her perfect opportunity to school everyone about her culture but she didn't do it. She keep making these weird moves.
The world is indeed disgusted by America's treatment of Tyla. I have a feeling - Tyla will emerge on top.
She has the talent to back it all up
That question take it as what it is. He said school me on it. That was her opportunity to educate because Black Americans have a different view based on their history. There are cultural differences and she could have shed light on that situation. Charlemagne didn’t seem to be race-baiting. He asked a legitimate question and was looking for clarification
Knowing Charlamagne's history in the media space, I have my doubts about any "genuineness" in that question 😀🙆🏾♂️
Charlemagne and Americans in general must sit down and climb back into their little corner - I’m South African, I’m coloured, everyone identifies with it. People must calm down. Your video explains it well 👍🏻
Stay ur proud azz in africa then. Tf! Its so amazing n ur so amazing stay there!
I'm sure your little comment here helps!!
@@katinaSO9170 thank you but not as much as yours 😉👍🏻
@@Van_Wilder I am also mixed race but I identify as a poodle. I hope that helps lol
@@katinaSO9170 as I said before, unless you’re South African, sit down back in your little corner coz on this topic of debate, you have nothing to offer.
She did well to not answer because u can't always use the word in every interview while u r in the country which feels offensive hearing the word. She did explain about her race before even on magazines but get backlash
I agree fully!
Really All this drama is from her saying ''We'' as Foundational Black American's and Our ''Reparations/Tangibles'' shouldn't be owed to Us.
Tyla isn't part of Our ''Black American Culture or Black American Lineage'', so when she went against/undermining Black American ''Reparation's..
I don't like The Breakfast Club, but no African/Jamaican or Haitian shouldn't undermine Foundation Black America and speak about what's should've been promised..
I never liked Charlamagne from the start, that guy is boring as f.
2. Yall in SA are new to this whole mutiracial society thing compared to us. We've been doing it for centuries. CULTURALLY we have developed differently. In black culture, black is black. Mixed is black AND ___(insert race). Dark, light skinned, whatever we are one. We decided after slavery that we won't subscribe to separating ourselves through colorism. Your "colored" is our "mullato" from 100+ years ago. So, to us, it's a very undeveloped, colorist concept. And to have such a distinction on a political level is astounding. Again, that might fly in SA, but she is not in SA. She's in USA. That mindset doesn't fly here.
Whats so difficult with respecting and unerdtsnding each other ..Africans or should i say blacks please wake up andsmell the coffee.. there are bigger issues on our table..
A black person in american can call themselves anything they want. They call each other the N-word which is the most offensive term for a black person. "Coloured people" was a term used by white people to describe black people (or any other race) during the period of segregation in America however, now, the term "people of colour" has become popularized. Coloured = offensive, person of colour = acceptable.
It really comes down to Americans, generally, totally disregarding any and all cultures outside of their own and not realizing that every country has it's own history, language, culture and racial diversity.
Couldn't have said it better!
When people are not prepared to hear and learn, you can tell them 100 times they will learn nothing. This issue has being explained so many times, but some black Americans can still not understand. What must we call this? Ignorant, dumbness, stiffness, stupidity or what. I understand that even that controversial intervier of Tyler is an old man of 50ys who qualify to be her father could not show fatherly love in his reckless interview. How many times this topic must be clarified, even to this adults is unbelievable. Are they hellbent to destroy the girl, for what?
OMG I noticed starting in 2022 there been this "war" concerning the african diaspora around identity and culture. I think it started with the debate about whether Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans were involved in the early stages of hip hop. Now it has evolved into this nonsense. I have seen people even accuse artist like Sade and Seal of being cultural appropriating black culture because they are black immigrants. its too much
Only DSBM want Tyla to be black , she does not want them and look at how upset they are !
The mistreatment is only because Tyla says She's Coloured. As well as I'm Coloured and black. Now if she only said I'M BLACK. There wouldn't be any issue
She's Zulu, Irish, Indian, & Mauritian.
the thing is she’s not black…shes coloured
What do you mean there wouldn’t be any issue? There would be an issue because in South Africa Tula is classified as Coloured. We South Africans know what that means and understand the significance of her boldly affirming it.
The word COLOURED is toxic in USA. Tyla looks black and has black texture hair.
SHES NOT BLACK AMERICAN
That's the way her label marketed Tyla towards Black people. The images you have seen of her with Afros isn't her real hair. They are exploiting her ambiguity to appeal to a Black audience.
She's not black
@@GotJay713 Mixed people can have afros. Her sister literally has an afro. She's not marketed as black, you chose to see her as black.
Thank you for calling them out,i respectfully educated them about the beautiful relationship we have with Coloured communities as Black communities in SA,lets hope they 👂
I hope they can respect that our reality in other parts of the world is not insignificant just because it's not what they know
America and Europe had mixed people and they were called mulatto; however, because of the different special treatment by white people of the mulattos, that brought resentment from the black community. Also, mulattos were only recognized as such if you looked white with ver light to white skin, not tan or brown. So, for black Americans to hear her say that she is colored to an American, bring back to apartheid days in America when we had groups like mulattos. I am light skinned to the point that even white people think that I am white, but I am a black female, whose family were once called mulattos. The world knows that Africans are colonized and some are just coming out of apartheid and this colored identity is a trigger to people who know the history of racism.
Coloured mean a different thing in America so in America tyle is not coloured but a black girl and it does not matter if she looks more indian or whatever. American media is toxic and what I don't understand is why does Tyla need to be famous in America? As a matter of fact why do English speaking African singers want to be known in America. I'm pretty sure when Tyla was exposing herself in America and to americans she knew how this would go down.. I said this before but I will say it again, the more tyla continues to expose herself in America they will ruin her even before she's known everywhere because right now she's mainly known in America,South africa and other English speaking countries in Africa and around the world. The rest of Africa does not even know her or care to be honest Tyla is mainly famous in English speaking countries just saying...
P.S: *this is not coming from an American but someone that lives in the U.S. I know how things works here and if tyla want to save her career she better stop selling herself in America they will RUIN her. They do this to everyone idk if you guys are familiar with ice spice but ice spice was the old Tyla, she became famous just like Tyla is right now and everyone was talking about her but no one in America gaf about her anymore. They do this with every singer and it the truth💀 tyla might be known right now but trust me it won't take long before Americans get tired of her and forget about her then a new female singer will be the new tyla and replace her* it the same cycle everytime in the U.S😂
She is famous because of American's with our culture she nothing
Yes and she respected Americans by saying she knows she is "black" in America (Source: Cosmpolitan Interview) and accepts that. And in SOUTH AFRICA she is coloured.
don't listen to her music, pos. She'll be fine
I'm colored and from South Africa and my grandparents need to show there pass ports after six am ..they were also colored
She’s not wrong BUT the U.S. music scene is one (not the only) of the largest in the world. If you are trying to promote yourself in a market, you need to understand the culture and the history of the market. Race is a crazy topic and smart celebrities avoid it or have a practiced answers.
Thank you…trying to make black Americans as problematic is crazy because of what our people went through here in America…she didn’t understand this and that’s ok but trying to make us feel crazy for saying something about it is nuts
Even she bites off the American black music culture
@mina2719 Tyla didn't dismiss American struggle in any form she explained her ethnicity on the South African context then black American told her she can't call herself colored, Tyla still doesn't leave in America she is probably on a working Visa
@@afrikawewant5390no one said she dismissed anything but coming to a country where race plays a huge part in our lives and not understanding that is wild…she can be here but when you’re staying here and getting interviewed here and they are wanting to understand why people in South Africa are called colored where as it’s a discriminated term here in America
@@mina2719 what does she not understand and what did she do? You narcissists just wanna force everyone into your boxes to make you feel good about yourself
She just saying she tan.
So sad 🇳🇬
You’re not from the USA so you have no idea of why her words hit us, black Americans the way it did. Maybe you should watch a video on coloreds and blacks in her country. The white folks in her country treat black folks better than the colored folks and she knows it which is why she fought so hard to be called colored. If she wants to come to the USA then she needs to recognize and respect the black African American history, our suffering, our pain, our colorism and our triumphs. “When you are in Rome…”. I say all this to say, I find your video and her to be offensive and insensitive and that’s what is truly disgusting and disrespectful!
Would you as an African American be okay with being called Coloured in South Africa? Because most African Americans will be called Coloured here. The difference is that if you say you're black and from America we won't push the Coloured identity on you
@@isaaccpt6643 that AA term is not accurate so...
Ye I get ur point, but u have to understand, in south africa shes not considerate black.
Colored is not just being mix raced for them, they have they own culture they own vibe, so in south africa she's not labeled as black . She can't accommodate you, by hurting her own people.
@@isaaccpt6643we’re not “African American”
@@reformedgirlblogger so what are you?
What does Zulu and Black mean? Is it like saying Ibibio and Black? Or saying Hausa and Black?
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You don't like being called black but you like representing Black people in music? Maybe, I don't understand though.
Explain where you got this bit from "You don't like being called black but you like representing Black people in music?"
That’s a stretch Coloured is her ethnicity; Black America has different ethnicities, but most of us find comfort in using the Umbrella term of Black. Neither is wrong. Most of Black America IS mixed but we suffered from Jim Crow Laws versus Apartheid… so of course it makes our histories and present different when it comes classifications.
If I was the PR person who wrote that statement, I would also have been confident that people would not know what Zulu meant. Eish.
You definitely don’t understand. If you’re that interested, go read on the topic. Google has plenty of sources.
where were y'all when charlamaign was accused of R a 15 year old BLACK girl?? You guys care so much more about the mixed race its insane lol
Why do all non-American artists sing without their accent. Not just tyla, even artists like the Beatles. American country stars sing in their accents.
5:38 i meannn...that's kinda a Fact tho🤔