Using A RED FILTER for Black & White Photography

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  • @nostalgiccameralife
    @nostalgiccameralife 8 місяців тому +236

    The (very) old book The Amateur Photographer's Handbook has probably the best explanation of what filters do and how they work as I've seen in any source. One thing to keep in mind is that the filter only subtracts light, it doesn't add anything. It blocks the complimentary color, but it also diminished all the colors in between. So here's the odd part to keep in mind (and which I rarely see discussed): if you use, for example, the red filter, and you do not compensate for exposure, only red light will be exposed correctly, and blue-green light will be blocked. The filter factor (the +3 stops) is basically to bring the exposure of all the other colors back up normal, which results in red light essentially being overexposed. So in your tree photo, if you put on the red filter but did not add extra stops of light, the tree would look essentially the same as in the unfiltered photo, but everything else would become very dark. This is why in the photo of the buildings the filter has the apparent effect of lightening the building in the foreground.

    • @willowrabbit
      @willowrabbit 8 місяців тому +2

      So if I'm using an in camera light meter with a filter, should I change the iso to compensate?

    • @nostalgiccameralife
      @nostalgiccameralife 8 місяців тому +7

      @@willowrabbitNo, the TTL meter will automatically compensate (unless perhaps you're photographing something red that fills the entire frame?).

    • @willowrabbit
      @willowrabbit 8 місяців тому +2

      @@nostalgiccameralife Makes sense. I'll just spot meter off of a neutral toned area. Thank you.

    • @cdrkennon
      @cdrkennon 7 місяців тому +1

      This is where carrying an 18% grey card or folding reflector can be very useful - establishing white balance and exposure.

  • @stevenclark2188
    @stevenclark2188 7 місяців тому +11

    That skyscraper shot is really interesting. It never occurred to me that you could cut out reflections by cutting the color of sky.

  • @ared18t
    @ared18t 8 місяців тому +16

    6:05 The building was probably a brownish orangish type building, so it got brighter as a result despite being in shadow.

  • @judem429
    @judem429 8 місяців тому +56

    Best line ever: “I was close to B&H.” Heaven!

    • @boservant1693
      @boservant1693 8 місяців тому +2

      Heaven holds colors one cannot even fathom. And remember, only one way to get there, through Jesus Christ.

    • @boservant1693
      @boservant1693 8 місяців тому

      Heaven holds colors one cannot even fathom. And remember, only one way to get there, through Jesus Christ.

    • @boservant1693
      @boservant1693 8 місяців тому

      Heaven holds colors one cannot even begin to fathom. And remember, only one way to get there, through Jesus Christ.

    • @war0nheaven
      @war0nheaven 7 місяців тому +11

      @@boservant1693take your religious babble elsewhere

    • @bassman7772
      @bassman7772 7 місяців тому

      fuck B&H

  • @Rivenworld
    @Rivenworld 8 місяців тому +54

    A red with a polarizer on a blue sky with clouds really gives the sky a great look.

    • @pcs9518
      @pcs9518 7 місяців тому +2

      This is my personal favorite combo when I shot B+W film back in the day

    • @notna4081
      @notna4081 7 місяців тому +1

      damn that sounds interesting, where can i see example pictures?

    • @prabhakarrao4922
      @prabhakarrao4922 7 місяців тому +1

      Absolutely!

    • @chromagraphphotoart
      @chromagraphphotoart 7 місяців тому +1

      Or maybe not...

  • @ThingOfSome
    @ThingOfSome 8 місяців тому +14

    The number of stops for a color filter really depends not only on the intensity of the filter (not all red filters require 3 stops) but also on the spectral sensitivity of the film. Also, it is wrong to say that a red filter would add more details to portraits because generally skin tones are quite warm, so a red filter would actually smooth out details. A green or blue filter would actually increase contrast in the details for portraits, so those would be more gritty.

    • @randallstewart1224
      @randallstewart1224 8 місяців тому +1

      By normal definitions, "add detail" and "more gritty" have zero application in this discussion, just nonsense. Re portraits: Most white colored skin will show slight coloration, slightly redder spots. Using a red filter, unnaturally lightening these little areas, enhances what are often referred to in the literature as "blotches". Similarly, shooting certain styles of white, male portraiture with a green filter will darken the same areas, often referred to as "rugged". My experience shooting landscapes is that the red filter is commonly overused for its darkening of skies and a dramatic effect. I like the effect to a point, but I find that a medium orange filter, i.e., a Kodak Watten "G", is far more useful.

    • @ThingOfSome
      @ThingOfSome 8 місяців тому

      @@randallstewart1224 The use of the terms "grit" and "detail" in the video seemed to be referring to amounts of contrast - which, agreed, are not the typical uses of those terms.

  • @reapsert
    @reapsert 8 місяців тому +5

    At 5:50 my guess would be that the underneath of the ledge is lit mostly with a warm bounce lighting from the material of the building, ground or other surroundings. If so then that bounced lighting could increase the light levels more than the other parts of the facade which is being lit by a more cold light, which would get blocked out by the red filter. So when you increase the stops of light because of the filter, you would also increase the bounced lit shadows proportionally higher. Not sure but that would be my guess.

  • @KiLLEz7
    @KiLLEz7 7 місяців тому +3

    I’m fairly sure there is tape on both ends of 120 so if you took it out and then got it hooked back you could just wind it all the way through again and then it would be back at the start.

  • @JAzzWoods-ik4vv
    @JAzzWoods-ik4vv 6 місяців тому +1

    I think the reason the pics on 6:03 has such a stark difference in the clarity is that by blocking a lot of scattered blue light from the sky, you can see more features since most of the red light actually comes from the object reflecting light, and not the environment.

  • @seedmole
    @seedmole 7 місяців тому +1

    It makes sense that the filter has this behavior when considering how a lot of digital processing techniques can give improved results when applied to the channels separately rather than all at once. A single channel can give enough information for a good black and white image, so removing the unnecessary noise from the other channels should give stark differences like this.

  • @regisursini996
    @regisursini996 8 місяців тому +2

    Et voilà, merci pour cette synthèse de maestro.

  • @zaqueuribeiro8013
    @zaqueuribeiro8013 6 місяців тому +1

    red is the main hue of this filter, that is kept on +0 stop, everything that gets further in the color wheel gets darker at max -3 stops. the furthermost of the colorwheel is the complementary color of the filter, which is probably a light cyan.

  • @rmdhn1
    @rmdhn1 7 місяців тому

    i think it's fascinating that alot of these happen simply beecause the light bounced by our atmosphere and the sky is blueish

  • @jackmiller1804
    @jackmiller1804 7 місяців тому

    Thanks for reinventing the wheel for young film photographers

  • @vervedonk
    @vervedonk 8 місяців тому +6

    Orange is my favourate filter for BW

  • @sittig904
    @sittig904 6 місяців тому

    Great explanation of color filters with black and white panchromatic film!

  • @infadeldog13
    @infadeldog13 7 місяців тому

    Fantastic informative video. And inspiring to an amateur just getting back to photography.

  • @bittertruth6175
    @bittertruth6175 4 місяці тому

    Great presentation with so many real images to compare. Thanks.

  • @scottnj2503
    @scottnj2503 8 місяців тому

    I experimented with red filters many years ago as a HS student taking landscape pics. This was very educational. Thank you, looking forward to learning more about other filters.

  • @BersekViking
    @BersekViking 3 місяці тому

    When I used B/W film, I usually used a yellow filter. It removed mist and made the sky darker so the clouds became more visible.

  • @rickbabbitt5014
    @rickbabbitt5014 День тому

    some of my favorite filter combos with my canon ae 1 is red being the main in combo with either orange and green sometimes blue, you should try multiple filters joshua.

  • @nickdattner8680
    @nickdattner8680 8 місяців тому +1

    Excellent demonstration.

  • @brianmccutcheon3205
    @brianmccutcheon3205 6 місяців тому +1

    Very helpful thank you

  • @prabhakarrao4922
    @prabhakarrao4922 7 місяців тому

    Excellent video. Many thanks

  • @Sea0fTime
    @Sea0fTime 7 місяців тому

    The Bronica SQ-ai has a mirror lock up feature to help with that mirror slap. It's the switch on the right side of the camera with N, S, and C markings. N is normal, S sets mirror up for a single frame, C is continuous lock up. Cock the shutter first, then set the mirror lockup. It's all in the manual which you can find online if you don't have a printed copy.

  • @wearetrackclub
    @wearetrackclub 8 місяців тому

    Super insightful, Joshua! Really like the shots you got. Very cool stuff! 🙌

  • @Todd_Kuhns
    @Todd_Kuhns 8 місяців тому +1

    Cool video, not sure the things you shot were the best examples to show the power of the filter but I enjoyed it. Does that camera have a mirror lock up feature to combat the vibrations?

  • @ManuelRodriguez-wm2gv
    @ManuelRodriguez-wm2gv 8 місяців тому

    Thanks for this presentation. Will help answer some key questions re: BW and filter use. Red, yellow and green filters, all part of the BW photographer"s arsenal.

  • @BLUYES422
    @BLUYES422 6 місяців тому

    this with a polarizing filter would be awesome

  • @atogweoghieaga2205
    @atogweoghieaga2205 8 місяців тому

    Great perspective, Weldone and thanks for sharing

  • @wcrofford
    @wcrofford 7 місяців тому

    Thanks, just what I was looking for. I just bought a red filter for my Konica Autoflex T3 and heading out this morning. And if I remember I'll let you know how it tuned out - I do my own processing: B&W.

  • @garymc8956
    @garymc8956 7 місяців тому

    Works great with my M11 Mono. Highlight metering protects exposure but have to be careful with the three stops.

  • @interruptor
    @interruptor 7 місяців тому

    The higher contrast can also be due to the longer exposure, even if red is not a factor.

  • @johnscratchley3288
    @johnscratchley3288 8 місяців тому

    I shoot a lot of black and white and a red filter will be a good addition to my equpment. Thanks.

  • @flyingo
    @flyingo 8 місяців тому +8

    Do yourself a favor, save some time and film by skipping the green and/or blue filters.. they’re basically useless.
    I do love yellow, orange and red filters for B&W photography, but I’m choosing the orange about 85% of the time.

    • @irfangani6451
      @irfangani6451 7 місяців тому

      Can I ask why is that? In the local film photographer community I follow, the go-to filter for BnW always generally yellow. Does orange give stronger effect than yellow? What is the consideration?

    • @flyingo
      @flyingo 7 місяців тому

      @@irfangani6451 , yes, the orange, in my opinion, gives a bit stronger effect, especially if you have the sky and clouds in your composition. Adding a half or full stop more than the yellow would be standard. The red (+2.5 or 3 stops) is very dramatic, whereas the orange is stronger than the yellow but doesn’t dominate the image like the red does. If you can, try graduated yellow and orange filters to affect the sky but leave your lower part of the image unaltered.
      The blue and green have their place, but it’s a place to which I never go.

  • @daleonov
    @daleonov 6 місяців тому

    Wow, that was interesting!

  • @alaskahomesteading
    @alaskahomesteading 6 місяців тому

    Good video... I'm not familiar with the bronica.... I'm surprised it doesn't offer a leaf shutter (mirror up option like the RB67....

  • @V1lkas
    @V1lkas 6 місяців тому

    5:40 did red filter works also as polarizer in some kind? u can clearly see a interior of the building behind the glass

  • @DjAlonDevil
    @DjAlonDevil 6 місяців тому

    Some of the effects look to me like something that happens in NIR photography. With the red filter, you're filming the end of the visible spectrum. NIR and infrared in general cut through atmospheric barriers and since red is the beginning of that spectrum you have a little bit of that in the images. If you were to remove the hot mirror filter you would actually gain a lot more sensitivity.

  • @jeff8ball
    @jeff8ball 8 місяців тому

    Informative. Thanks for sharing!!!

  • @carlmcneill1139
    @carlmcneill1139 Місяць тому

    I general shoot digital but recently got back into film. You said that we could take a test roll with and without the filter to check the TTL metering? Can you not just see what the meter gives you with and without the filter? Of I set the ISO and shutter speed on my Canon AE-1 and half press the shutter button the camera will tell me the aperture needed. Wouldn't that change when I put the filter on?

  • @El_Gormo
    @El_Gormo 8 місяців тому

    The yellow/green or orange are less harsh and give a better result imho

  • @ruffysvideo
    @ruffysvideo 8 місяців тому

    Be sure to do portraits of subjects with different colored hair with a green filter

  • @HeroUnicorn
    @HeroUnicorn 6 місяців тому

    hey heads up the SQ-Ai has a mirror lockup lever to help with those slow shutter speeds

  • @monochromebluess
    @monochromebluess 8 місяців тому

    Good review. Subscribed. Orange and Yellow presentations next please. Forget green

  • @barrysmith4094
    @barrysmith4094 Місяць тому

    Now what I just thought of is this: After a person understands the basic concept of filters, you may want to go into some more detail. Example: A distant cityscape (skyline) in the Summer heat and haze. By using a red filter, we can cut through the haze and see the skyline much better. But how about this: Using a blue, that's right a blue filter. Do they make blue filters? So why blue? This will dramatically enhance the haze, (air pallution) for an example, and I THINK, open up some details in the shadow areas.

  • @swanseamale47
    @swanseamale47 8 місяців тому

    I used to love HP5 in ID11. Used it for years.

  • @LoFiAxolotl
    @LoFiAxolotl 8 місяців тому

    A yellow filter on for example Cinestill 800T (or other tungsten film if they still exist) makes it daylight balanced

  • @Pmike404
    @Pmike404 7 місяців тому

    On clear days I like to keep a Tiffen red 25 filter on my Leica Q2 monochrom. If it’s an overcast day I prefer to shoot without it.

  • @rfinies
    @rfinies 6 місяців тому

    I think you could have saved the ILFORD HP5 roll by load it up again to get it back to the start since you did not exposed the film to light.

  • @thomaspopple2291
    @thomaspopple2291 3 місяці тому

    Rarely mentioned is that a red filter can cut through haze and fog better.

  • @shang-hsienyang1284
    @shang-hsienyang1284 8 місяців тому

    I use red filters a lot. That's why I prefer rangefinder cameras for black and white films.

  • @zgiggly5266
    @zgiggly5266 7 місяців тому

    Dude, I have an FM2. do you know how many times with my broken winder that still works but it’s missing three key important component that makes it a speed winder. I mean the three parts that hold the crank in so I might as well be using an old Russian film camera where you have to walk your fingers to unwind… I’ve flash so much film. );

  • @raywilson9450
    @raywilson9450 8 місяців тому

    I've always trusted the TTL meter to handle the red filter. But, theoretically, the calculated exposure may not be perfect, owing to the type of sensor in the meter circuit. (the sensor is fooled by red). All that said, the exposure latitude of B&W likely will mask any error and we'll be blissfully unaware. Your video gets a like!

  • @Alphageist
    @Alphageist 8 місяців тому

    Is it possible for a red filter to have an effect on focus via the lens’ ability to align different wavelengths of light onto a single plane? Is this true if you’re not focusing through the lens (e.g. rangefinder)?

  • @ZuntaLutra
    @ZuntaLutra 7 місяців тому

    when i was loading my new Bronica with HP5 for the first time last month, i also had that exact same issue and i was very devastated. i feel like HP5 120 is cursed now so i haven't used it since but i've never had the same issue since loading other film stocks

  • @victorboucher675
    @victorboucher675 8 місяців тому +1

    3 Stops? ... Cool dude, saves on a ND filter.
    Ever shoot Agfa 25?

  • @flaguser4196
    @flaguser4196 6 місяців тому +1

    it might give interesting results in the red light district

  • @jackmiller1804
    @jackmiller1804 7 місяців тому

    Don’t be shy with a light meter . In an over auto world they remain useful

  • @gotskills23
    @gotskills23 7 місяців тому

    Details of human skin generally look brighter and softer with a red filter not grittier, infrared even more so, they are grittier at the other end of the spectrum.

  • @peter2712
    @peter2712 8 місяців тому

    Most of my cameras do not have light meters. I usually start out by just holding the filter over my hand held meter and take a reading.

  • @photogl
    @photogl 7 місяців тому

    Will a red filter work with digital cameras for B&W?

    • @rvbsoundfactory
      @rvbsoundfactory 7 місяців тому

      Yes with a dedicated black and white digital camera. (Pentax or Leica). I'm sure you can still do it post process.

  • @pcaridad
    @pcaridad 6 місяців тому

    What about digital photos? I've been taking pictures with a red filter and couldn't get that effect, like on the Ansel Adam's Moon over a mountain range. 🤔

    • @peter-kx9lf
      @peter-kx9lf 3 місяці тому

      You must be referring to Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico. Was it actually shot with a red filter? I don't recall that. If you look at some of his early enlargements of Moonrise, it just looks like a regular unfiltered image. In his later enlargements, he started using darkroom techniques to darken the sky. I think you must be looking at those.

  • @Hauptsache2Takt
    @Hauptsache2Takt 8 місяців тому

    Im clearly interest to try this on a mirrorless cam🤔

  • @victorboucher675
    @victorboucher675 8 місяців тому

    So I will test the 3 stop with a light meter I guess.

  • @geckoram6286
    @geckoram6286 5 місяців тому

    I read red filter and I thought this was an astrophotography video, now I wonder how would a h-alpha filter look in a b&w film... I guess it would look great for astro, after all some good astro cameras are b&w, but I don't know how the film would affect the results

  • @Pudentame
    @Pudentame 8 місяців тому

    If you'd had a changing bag (available at B&H) you probably could have rescued your roll of film

  • @filip0112
    @filip0112 7 місяців тому

    As a film photographer, I always have spare roll with me, and also for important sessions I always have dark bag. The fact you don’t have that, and you rock Bronica, means you have more money than skill

  • @vdubs17
    @vdubs17 8 місяців тому

    If you’re using a handheld light meter just knock 3 stops off your ISO

  • @qmigui
    @qmigui 6 місяців тому

    I now this is a month later but I would recommend doing bracketed shots by only adjusting your shutter speed. This would keep sharpness the same across the images. This is also probably the reason the underside of the building was lighter with the red filter. Light fall off changed because you opened up the aperture.
    If anyone else wants to learn about light fall off. ua-cam.com/video/yB0-MWC88_M/v-deo.html

  • @andrewdewar8159
    @andrewdewar8159 8 місяців тому

    nice

  • @Micha_7F
    @Micha_7F 8 місяців тому

    Great, another video that will make me spend my money on cam gear 😅

  • @victorboucher675
    @victorboucher675 8 місяців тому

    Dude - Shoot the red tree @ F16 filtered

  • @mgman6000
    @mgman6000 8 місяців тому

    How about testing an IR filter

  • @ManyDoors777
    @ManyDoors777 8 місяців тому

    I only use a red filter when shooting black and white

  • @pierrecrampagne6826
    @pierrecrampagne6826 7 місяців тому

    Regardant votre vidéo, c'est bien de montrer les agréments du filtre rouge en noir et blanc,avec cette marque de film ( quel est l'origine du film ?) Si vous prenez le filtre rouge,vous allez éclaircir cette couleur, et foncer la complémentaire (cyan). Si vous prenez une visionneuse pour diapositives, mettre un projecteur, l'un a droite, l'autre à gauche,et un au dessus de la visionneuse, avec juste un fort filtre, le premier pour le bleu, le deuxième pour le vert, et le troisième pour le rouge. La visionneuse sans filtre avec une diapositive noir et blanc.Si c'est bien fait, vous devez voir la couleur, (synthèse additive), et sous l'agrandisseur, un temps de pose différent posé sous chaque filtre coloré,
    vous devez voir les couleurs de votre sujet.) Ici, surtout pas de compte pose traditionnel car c'est avec le temps de pose de chaque couleur que vous travaillez.

  • @SatyaPradana-u5d
    @SatyaPradana-u5d 8 місяців тому +1

    cool maaannn

  • @zgiggly5266
    @zgiggly5266 7 місяців тому

    I’m a be honest, I know photographers that need to know how many stops of light it is and I’ve had friends who have asked me similar questions like that here’s a thing I don’t know any of that I just move buttons until things look good I don’t look at Numbers on lens. I don’t look at numbers in my camera all I know is that ISO messes with my light same thing as exposure on digital but too much ISO makes it look painting and I don’t like painting except for certain aspects of shots that I’m doing and on film ISO speed if you were to ask me what ISO stands for I would assume speed is somewhere in there also I am very sorry if some of this is Grammarly incorrect this is dictated through speech to text with a Jenkee iPhone

  • @brapperdan
    @brapperdan 7 місяців тому +1

    Couldn’t you just rewind the film and start over?

  • @jarosawzon4272
    @jarosawzon4272 8 місяців тому +1

    You don't have heating at home?

  • @barrysmith4094
    @barrysmith4094 Місяць тому

    Very informative. BUT what you need to do is take more dramatic pictures and show them side by side. For example: take a picture of a landscape with a large portion of sky. Take one without the red filter, and one with the red filter.. This shows the person learning how it changes the sky to almost black and really brings out the clouds. The shot of the steps doesn't really show a difference. There is a difference, but in that shot, of the steps, I feel it really doesn't make a real difference with or without the red filter. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? So you need to take pictures that show a real difference. And one VERY good example is a reed rose. Take one picture with a red filter, and a second picture of the same rose using a green filter, and another with no filter. Now you can REALLY see the difference. Not only that, you need to first explain what a filter is , why a person may choose to use a filter, and how filters work.

  • @dantediss1
    @dantediss1 8 місяців тому +8

    Funny thing,... Purple is NOT a Color... just what our Eye creates trying to struggle with the wavelength. Pretty odd

    • @somegeezer
      @somegeezer 8 місяців тому +8

      You're thinking of magenta. Purple is a range of colours from Indigo to Violet.

    • @dantediss1
      @dantediss1 8 місяців тому

      @@somegeezer nope, im 100% thinking of Purple.

    • @ceelothatmane9421
      @ceelothatmane9421 7 місяців тому +2

      So when you mix red and blue paint what is that pigment?

    • @ronwapossibly
      @ronwapossibly 5 місяців тому +1

      ​​@@dantediss1purple does have a visible light wavelength, it is a real color. you are thinking of magenta
      edit: after a quick bit of googling, i have come to the conclusion that i was thinking of violet, purple is considered non spectral in the same way as magenta.

  • @hachimaki
    @hachimaki 8 місяців тому

    For some cool bw photos shot with a red filter check out the work of simon marsden

  • @pittyman
    @pittyman 6 місяців тому

    8:45 Hang a bag on the tripod.

  • @tomislavmiletic_
    @tomislavmiletic_ 7 місяців тому

    If the building on the right was in the colour that was closer to the red end of spectrum (red, orange, yellow) than it is conceivable that it appeared lighter thru the red filter. Just saying...

  • @CyberCreeper22
    @CyberCreeper22 7 місяців тому

    I mean... you could have respooled your hp5

  • @Narsuitus
    @Narsuitus 8 місяців тому +2

    The color purple is not in the rainbow.
    The colors violet, blue, and red are in the rainbow.
    Violet has a wavelength that ranges from 380-450nm.
    Blue has a wavelength that ranges from 450-485nm.
    Red has a wavelength that ranges from 625-750nm.
    The color purple is a mixture of blue and red and/or violet and red.

  • @LadySalemRaven
    @LadySalemRaven 8 місяців тому

    f22 is going to give you an unsuable amount of refraction homie.

  • @superhussein
    @superhussein 6 місяців тому

    is this bad advice for a newbie?

  • @scottparis6355
    @scottparis6355 7 місяців тому +1

    Probably not a good idea to load 120 film (or any film) in direct sunlight.

  • @uhohwhy
    @uhohwhy 7 місяців тому

    for the sake of views

  • @GabrielVelascoFilmmaker
    @GabrielVelascoFilmmaker 8 місяців тому

    youre complementary color wheel makes me really sad

  • @StanleyKubick1
    @StanleyKubick1 6 місяців тому

    my biggest takeaway: those photos weren't very interesting

  • @markmalasics3413
    @markmalasics3413 6 місяців тому

    I find it impossible to believe anything about photography from a guy that wears a wool hat indoors to try to get that "cool" look. SMFH.

  • @maxdronov
    @maxdronov 2 місяці тому

    looks like a waist of film.... sorry

  • @Impulse_Photography
    @Impulse_Photography 7 місяців тому

    I think, filters are becoming less and less the way to achieve those results. It seems more and more people are getting the same results on the photo editing side of it.