I think there is a winners bias with influencers: Everyone sees the successful ones with millions of views and nobody sees the struggling ones which are like 99% of ‚influencers‘
Hit the nail on the head! That's why even if you watch this video and think to yourself "gosh, yeah, maybe I should quit my 6-figure job.....well....nahhh" (it's because, deep down, you know this 99% thing is true)
The barrier to entry is very low. So anyone can start from anywhere, and there is not really any consensus on what a person would need to do to grow as a influencer. But when you look at this carefully, you'll notice certain trends e.g. a lot of big twitch streamers where professional players, already in friends circles with other popular influencers, or had successful UA-cam channels before etc. A lot of successful tech youtubers were ex-FAANG ( or interned), or successful start-up founders. These types of things give them an edge over other people. So I guess first you have become someone or do something, that will make people interested in you / what you have to say, share yourself / your thoughts and build your audience.
I am an old man. I discover coding can heal dementia. So every day I just download a new set of codes or any free programming book/tutorial, randomly study them a little bit, chat with the chatgpt , and modify the codes for any fun purpose. After several hours, I feel very fulfilled. That is my coding purpose for my retired boring life.
Guido van Rossum (the creator of Python) also wrote code to design the Python language for fun and for keeping busy even during long holidays. I think if a man is keeping busy, he will not overthink too much. But the process of inventing the Python language can keep him fulfiilled. @@jongxina3595
I recon coding is not fallen it's a thriving industry, Knowledge is still power regardless how much money you make. Coding will always be KING in the IT industry..
With AI progression, writing code will be written by AI, the companies won't need software engineers , the boss will say I want you to write the following program.
likely the only real competition would left is for a senior position/decision maker. lower than that what you're competing with is automation technology, not humans.
Oldfart here. 1) 20-30 years ago this industry was filled by nerds, who loved software engineering and computer science. Surface level knowledge is encouraged. It just works... until it doesn't shortly. 2) it was acceptable to be an introvert and focus on coding tasks. 3) You did not have these bloated processes with tons of meetings, employee development plans, 1 to 1 meetings. 4) Nowadays, it is more important to show off, every day on this freaking stand up meeting.
@postedback Going on old fart here. In general I encountered more purposeful beings doing something that mattered, things that they at least they thought were contributing to some greater good. I regularly encountered and interacted with people who actually cared to hone their skills and learn more. Can't say I see that I see much of that these days. Seems like most are claiming Bare Minimum Gang. That's my experience in respect with #1. In regards to #2, true, but I also had the pleasure of meeting folks who could focus and dig in technically and still get out there and be comfortable socially. Maybe it's been an even mix for me? You'll get banned or flamed for discussing what went wrong within #3, and I think #4 really informs #3.
Agree, stand-ups are annoying they judge you everyday what you've done and then low trust from boss and pm. Coding is fine but not working for companies.
thats a shame because ive an extreme introvert, and always loved math/ problem solving, but due to mental health in my late teens/early 20's i had a 10 year between highschool where my gpa was barely 2.5 and studying computer science with a 3.88 gpa. I know a lot of people in my classes that were almost 10 years younger than me did seem to study cs because of silly reasons like money and the fact that its an "impressive" job to tell people, those people often ending up hitting a wall pretty early and quitting.
Coding has been dead since the advent of considering a 'web app' as a computer application. When Web 1.0 became Web 2.0. When engineering became 'development'. When development became 'dev'. When the internet became 'social'.
explains the fall of coding and boom 5:15 promoting his own courses to get into tech. wtf was that🤣 and he still says it would be a life changing moment if we took this course. guy is a legend.
He can't even look at the camera when he's promoting it as the cognitive dissonance is just eating away at him. Integrity is everything for long term mental health and TL needs to take a long look in the mirror.
1. Coding is perceived as less cool or impressive than before. 2. There's a belief that coding is dying. 3. Remote work is often not allowed in many tech companies. 4. Software engineering is no longer at the top of the corporate food chain. 5. There's a growing trend of alternative careers beyond the 9-to-5 system. 6. Coding is seen as a slow way to make money compared to other opportunities. 7. The market for tech jobs is described as brutal, with layoffs and challenges.
Strange... I got CS degree in 2019 as well and I've worked at multiple companies. I've gotten most interviews i apply for too. And I am by no means a genius.
Same. If I was a garbage man I would still code for fun after work. It's like playing video games to me. People who started doing this purely for money, sorry, it's your pain. Some of us don't have that problem.
I've been a software developer since the mid-80s when I was just a kid. I started writing business software at age 18. Now I'm still developing software as a Sr. Engineer / Tech Lead and I've been with the same employer for 25 yrs now. I'll retire in 8 and live out the rest of my life on a very comfortable retirement. I am very happy I chose this career path - it's been very good for me. So what if it was a 9-5 job - I made a lot of money and I'm happy.
Yes, you are the man, I remember Muhamed ali said to kids, don't become a boxer because he was extremly lucky, he said become a lawyer a doctor, a dentist ect.. warren buffett said the same, the influencers who make it are extremely lucky but if you study and get a high paying job or become a developer you are guarenteed to have a decent living, I don't know why people compare the outliers of rap, music, youtube to your average engineer, if you compare the outliers of engineers to any other profession's outliers it's not even close, it's a no loose situation I 'm still in the beginning of my career as a dev, but will never consider quitting, maybe I will get to an administrative role as I get in my late 40s, and I will try to make my own company in the middle and see how that works, but coding and tec seems to me as the best option ever, not even debatable for me.
Coding is means to the end, creativity is lost, look at computer games , they are less and less creative , companies repeating themselves until nobody is interested, what is important in software industry ? Same stuff as of 20 years ago, real time transactions , embedded computing , UI its didnt changed a bit, but its important that trains and airplanes works, then there a lot of bs in software engineering like big data. I think maybe people should concentrate on learning programming to solve particular problems or help with maintenance of older systems.
Why people that much worry ? We can live without computers like old days ,our food from Backyard,our mail Delivered with Donnky. These all engineers working hard on AI that would be their replacement robots .
if they're really into it and not just for the money, they will do it anyways :) Just like how most artists, no matter if they didnt get big, do gigs no matter how little is the pay.
Why? If they are studying computer science, their academic future is not going to be affected in a slightest. They will still write and publish their own research papers, no AI can replace them. I hope people who study CS are not going to be wasted as code.monkeys, right?
If you are a lonely person without nothing to care about beyond yourself this makes sense, once you have a partner who loves you and kids that you care for, this no longer makes sense. Better to spend 2/3 weeks per year in the beach with partner and kids than months wandering alone in this world, just my opinion.
The same as it's always been, that TechLead is successful and rich, and is so brilliant and better than everyone. And he wish everyone to be more like him. As a millionaire. - On a serious note I do enjoy his take on different situations but it's from a very self orientated perspective, still interesting never the less.
It's not that coding is dead it's that it's simply not enough anymore. The entry barrier is extremely different to what it was 10, 15 years ago. You need to know so much more just to land an entry level job. Even if someone wants to go the independent, internet entreprenur route, where do you even start? everythhing is so saturated. It's really grim out there and I really worry for this generation.
@@cathychatsI had the same fear when I was teaching myself to code. Now that I am a junior I laugh at how naive I was. AI will not be replacing anyone for a long time. It is, however, an incredible tool. If you dont use it you will lose to those that take advantage of it
@@JamesSmith-cm7sg Not experienced developers. But low-level developers, yes. Anyone who is naïve enough to think AI won't effect the tech industry is going to be in for a rude awakening.
@@Noneofyourbusiness57817no, trust me, A.I. - GPT is useless in practice. It gives you a few valuable insights and let you to transition from one language to another faster, also create code template like no other things, but when it is to write, even a simple functional implementation in PHP of an actual Wordpress button, it's struggle with errors, can't create a proper query, don't declare global variables for access and so on. Yes, you save a bit of time if you have no idea where to start, but if you already know how to properly use code, framework, library documentation, it will not help you that much other than saving a bit of time browsing code on Git or Stack to get inspiration when you are new to the problem. You have to open docs anyway to correct the errors. Also, A.I., GPT, can't logically think what the code would actually do. LLM will just pack together words that are most likely to get along. We, with our brains, are capable to fully understand context and guess what happen, where are the potential errors and so on.
9-5 is the best option if you have kids, which most people do or will... being an influencer or 'independent' won't work in that case. Your life isn't about you anyway if you have kids. Shouldn't have reproduced if you want freedom.
oh i see a lot kids at daycare that are abandoned each day from morning till late evening. It is horrible, but most americans cannot see what is wrong here. If you work 9-5 in the office, not flexible, then some random people in the daycare or school make your kid the way they want. You role is eliminated to consumer and provider.
Many coding evangelists on UA-cam have ultimately shifted to selling courses, with the majority of these courses being targeted at beginners or intermediate learners, rather than pursuing coding as their primary source of income. Also, I've lost count of the number of channels that initially began as tech-focused channels but gradually evolved into lifestyle and personal philosophy channels.
Mostly pointless plus they're oversaturating the better tutorials out there with inferiors ones. The ones from the author or main authority on the thing being coded and what they recommend are superior sources anyway, both for learning and beginners.
Even TechLead started as a coding channel, iirc. Now hes evolved to other stuff. Probably be because he wanted more variety with his content to attract more people. Although I do miss his coding content
i think in order to provide in-depth technical content you actually need develop things and write code. as soon as you stop delivering production solutions skills decay and view of new technologies and approaches fades. i think that's the reason why a lot of influencers switch from tech themes - it just very difficult to find what to talk about, when you don't code anymore
Lol. That’s not true. I have a UA-cam channel but I don’t make money, I code but I don’t sell courses. Lol. I get paid from my 9 to 5. I switched to tech late in my thirties. Started to learn to code at 35, got my first tech role at 39, and I am now 43. If you enjoy learning and tinkering, it is still a good job. But if you really like to go beyond 9 - 5 yes. Like teck lead says. Become an influencer. I actually few folks that I started following who had 12k subscribers are now hitting 200k plus. So it’s definitely doable. Not quiet for me. But I did find a middle path. What do you get when you combine a develops with an influencer. You get a developer advocate. Lol. My new title and I love it.
I spent my 20s and most of my 30s traveling the world living the vagabond life like what you’re doing now, and am so ready to live a stable life and work a 9-5 “wage slave” job. Traveling all the time gets exhausting, stressful and lonely.
Not to mention that for a lot of these people, it's all show. They often have a parent funneling them money all while acting like they're out there killing it on their own.
@@CrackShot-3 I don't deny it won't be stressful, but at least I can sleep in my own bed with my weighted blanket, not have to live out of a suitcase wearing the same clothes all the time, not always googling where to eat/sleep/tour, and I get to see my friends/family on a regular basis instead of being by myself in a different city all the time.
@@trishayable classic example of grass being greener on the other side. trust me, I was also traveling in my 20s and I miss it so much compared to my 9-5 coding job
Did the same, found a Swiss girlfriend in Thailand in my late 20 after traveling the world, did a bachelor in computer science in Switzerland with kids 10yrs younger than me and I loved every second of it. Now at 35 I'm working 9 to 5 since 3 years, married that wonderful woman, kid in his way. Like you I don't miss at all my vagabond/farmer/dj/dive master/painter life. I wanted fun, I had fun in the right timing. Now I want stability and my tech job provides. That said, I consider I have been super lucky and my life path is not what I'd consider being a reasonable plan of life.
please listen to tech lead! he is the tech lead! I am barely eating just to get by being a software engineer (tech lead is doing us a favor to kick out those mediocre devs while only in it for the money, not that it's bad but thinking you deserve it being mediocre is)
@@criptik5208 You mean the job where you just look at millions of data points all day long for 60 hours per week? Sifting through databases and trying to normalize your tables to make some sense out of it? That's probably the most tedious and eye straining tech job out there
I hope people see the irony in this dudes statements. He is driving his arguments with his own bias towards influencers since he obviously has now shifted towards being an influencer. Ofcourse his ideals are going to change. He doesnt need to code he's obviously enjoying the benefits of being an influencer with all the damn sponsorships he has. Anyone who takes this guys advice needs to question their sanity.
it's because the market has shifted from subscriber based and now influencers post individual videos. Gone are the days where you can rely on subscriber viewership. that's why he's posting independent videos seemingly unrelated and never using call backs because he's targeting unique viewers instead of subs@@barryanders
Feels like hes trying to convince himself that the life is living is better than his life before (with a kid and a wife where he had to stay in the same home same city). For me, i enjoy a stable life in the same city with my family.
As a developer, you are never going to get respect from the business people in a non-technological company, so it isn't about the death of the programming; it's about the culture of the company you are working for.
Coding has not fallen. But it is obviously faced with a lot of competition. Every one wants to be an influencer these days. Very soon the market of influencers will be saturated.
Actually Europe is the perfect place to work remotely for US companies. You have the day free for yourself, and you only start working at 6pm or 3pm, depending on whether you company is on the West or East coast.
I found you on UA-cam because I was looking for coding related video and I got to know your life and current situation. I enjoyed your video where you went around Japan and your connection with Japan. Greeting from Japan!!
I love programming. I sold my business for 70m and spend my time build game engines these days. It's pure bliss. In my day Devs were not making much money. It's always been business owners and still is today.
Im gonna be honest here guys, i broke into the tech field 10 years ago and the landscape is so different now. There were way more opportunities for new and intermediate devs back then. Now 90% of what I see is in contracts or senior/lead roles because they wanna hire one guy to do the work of 5 people. Imo, this field is dying/transitioning into a more AI/automation focused profession with way less demand.
I got into tech in 2012 and I'm done with it, now working on getting out. Totally oversaturated and I've become totally jaded with all of it, I have no real or serious interest anymore and there is no tech pathway that _truly_ excites me or that I can bring myself to even attempt to learn. It's over. Nobody can say I didn't try.
I'm a programmer that works from home and makes 350k in my first job but it sucks because I have to work 9-5 as a wage slave and only get 3 weeks vacation
I pity whoever lookup to this guy, being an influencer is hard these days. Influencer market is very saturated these days. And when an influencer said political incorrect thing he lose all his livelihood.
Exactly being influencer is zero barrier to entry and most of these 20 Year online hustlers “coaching” others have no long term career potential, it’s very sad actually
I like how there is an unstated point here that making a living by being an influencer, is just as possible or likely as being a SE. It's not. As a tech lead myself, I would gladly trade it all in for being an influencer, traveling and making cool content.
Influencers usually get pigeon holed into doing one type of content over and over and over and over for the rest of their lives, seems the same as a corporate job where you don't work for yourself. In reality, influencers are just cheap pennies for the dollar advertising drones for the mega corps.
I would be obsessed with it if I felt it was useful. I feel that everything has already been made, and AI is replacing coders. This demotivation is what stops me from being obsessed with it. I'd have been obsessed if I discovered it in the 20th century.
@@SuperYtc1 Understandable. But in everyday life it doesn't matter if something has been made before. There's always someone who wants a custom version of it. I guess it has to do with one's self image as a developer. Many people, especially from the Americas want to always innovate and invent new things. But the reality isn't as glamorous, or at least it doesn't have to be. You can also just be like a carpenter. That's what it often looks like in Europe and honestly I'm glad. I'm tired of a pompous tech industry that, at this point, would probably name a simple spreadsheet program after a superweapon from a scifi movie.
the demand for development jobs is actually compounding in present and future, with more job openings . so many businesses new and old looking to hire. any career field you go , someones gonna say something blah blah. just look at the job boards and talk to real people in the industry
I'm thinking about electrical engineering with computing. Looks like manual dexterity is the future. AI dorks won't solve power grid maintenance in our lifetimes
There are probably not much engineering jobs that will suffer a lot with AI. The risk are much more in fields that are resisting to introduce automation. I'm coding professionally for 15 years and while it changed a lot I would say that it just improved. But eletrical enginnering is a great thing go ahead, you can get a coding job with no problem and earn much more than a maintenance engineer, and also sleep well, and work covered from the rain
Hi I did EEE and then tranisitioned from a Electrical engineer to a Electronic Engineer and now I am a programmer running my own business. If you want to do software teach yourself. If you want to do Electrical engineering then you will need a degree, but more importantly you will need hands on experience so you do not kill yourself or others.
Coding was never cool outside of the US. Still, I just got a dev job thanks to coding and money will always be cool. That said I became a dev because programming has always been my passion. If you try to get into software development just for the money you will hate it and you will suck at it.
It is still a good career option. I got into it late. And even with all this AI hype. I would still not change anything. Was the best decision I ever made.
it really is, coming from someone who just learns as a hobby and maybe job. theres lots of human judgement in jobs all across, its a big risk for employers to completely have them replaced @@CodingAfterThirty
I joined the mafia as a hit man and living the dream. Tons more $$$, lots of travel and excitement. Sometimes I talk to my mark and learn what a fascinating life they lived before I execute. Really awesome gig 😎😎😎
Totally agree and even thought about making a comeback doing it after 10 years in another role, but honestly I know I would hate it and would not want to go through that slog again
the last year I made this statement of yours for good reason, but random dudes began bombarding me with ridiculous comments. I guess things will be stand still a while, like 2 years or so but then it'll be booming again, adding that, electiric car transformation will make programmers alluring.
Most of the doom is predicated on the idea that being a professional dev is about writing code. For me, that's maybe 40% at most. The rest - writing tests that actually do what they need to do,, trying to refine requirements, dealing with infrastructure and processes, contributing to system design, supporting the live product, sharing domain knowledge with others - isn't something you can do with ChatGPT. Maybe I'm complacent, idk, but if my roles have been typical, AI can only reasonably come after a subset of the role
I have fun writing code, even though it looks like I add very little value when, e.g. I map API response to a data structure. I am happy for AI (or a solid framework) to take that over. But it turns out that telling things in natural language to a bot (ok ok LLM) is way more complicated than simply writing the code in the most specific language there is - a strongly typed programming language.
I won't say coding jobs will become 100% dead. But just like content writing/copywriting, it's salary would go down drastically. That's the main issue: salary. The main issue is not whether it will go extinct.
Cool to see your travels. Glad to see you are having fun. I am at the end of my career as SE, tech manager, etc. It has been a good run, but it is time to find something else to do as I reach retirement age.
I feel like it’s worthwhile skill for self and freelancing. I feel like if you’re good, you can make more money freelancing than you can working for someone else especially as a junior or mid level engineer. Working for a company doesn’t make it fun anymore. The LC grind and tech interviews is killing coding
You can never make money doing what everyone else is doing, grifters, independents, dropshippers, influencers will almost always get into something once the ship has already sailed.
They will always need software engineers. Don’t let this fear monger stop you from doing what you want to do. This guy doesn’t seem to care maybe one of you will take his job.
I think people fail to realize… if you can code… you can build software and build a business…. If you can’t think of a real-world problem that an be solved with software you build… then coding isn’t for you. Btw I’m still a complete noob.
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Yeah that's why coding is Dead.
ROFL@@itsrogtime728
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techlead: "yeah basically coding is dying"
also techlead: "so I've been on a tour throughout italy and other beautiful places"
I think there is a winners bias with influencers: Everyone sees the successful ones with millions of views and nobody sees the struggling ones which are like 99% of ‚influencers‘
I see the struggling ones lol they are good entertainment, more real
99.999 actually
Hit the nail on the head! That's why even if you watch this video and think to yourself "gosh, yeah, maybe I should quit my 6-figure job.....well....nahhh" (it's because, deep down, you know this 99% thing is true)
It's even more than 99%. It is probably closer to 99.99%.
The barrier to entry is very low. So anyone can start from anywhere, and there is not really any consensus on what a person would need to do to grow as a influencer. But when you look at this carefully, you'll notice certain trends e.g. a lot of big twitch streamers where professional players, already in friends circles with other popular influencers, or had successful UA-cam channels before etc. A lot of successful tech youtubers were ex-FAANG ( or interned), or successful start-up founders. These types of things give them an edge over other people. So I guess first you have become someone or do something, that will make people interested in you / what you have to say, share yourself / your thoughts and build your audience.
The more I hear coding is falling the more i want to master it
I am an old man. I discover coding can heal dementia. So every day I just download a new set of codes or any free programming book/tutorial, randomly study them a little bit, chat with the chatgpt , and modify the codes for any fun purpose. After several hours, I feel very fulfilled. That is my coding purpose for my retired boring life.
Good for you sir
This is awesome, dementia runs in my family so I guess I just got some extra motivated. Thanks
Well hes talking about the coding market. You code for fun (I do too sometimes) which is different.
Guido van Rossum (the creator of Python) also wrote code to design the Python language for fun and for keeping busy even during long holidays. I think if a man is keeping busy, he will not overthink too much. But the process of inventing the Python language can keep him fulfiilled. @@jongxina3595
Cutting down on sugar and carbs and fighting diabetes is also on of the most effective way to prevent dementia.
Thats was encouraging
I recon coding is not fallen it's a thriving industry, Knowledge is still power regardless how much money you make. Coding will always be KING in the IT industry..
We need to convince more people to stop studying computer science, thus keeping competition down
With AI progression, writing code will be written by AI, the companies won't need software engineers , the boss will say I want you to write the following program.
likely the only real competition would left is for a senior position/decision maker. lower than that what you're competing with is automation technology, not humans.
@lazzi-droid1181 somebody creates and maintains them. Thus creating even more opportunity.
@@Repl1ka404No, few r needed to maintain
can't keep competition down with so many indians working remotely as programmers for cheap.
As Syndrome said - if everybody is super then no one will be.
If everybody wants to make quick money then no one will be.
Oldfart here.
1) 20-30 years ago this industry was filled by nerds, who loved software engineering and computer science. Surface level knowledge is encouraged. It just works... until it doesn't shortly.
2) it was acceptable to be an introvert and focus on coding tasks.
3) You did not have these bloated processes with tons of meetings, employee development plans, 1 to 1 meetings.
4) Nowadays, it is more important to show off, every day on this freaking stand up meeting.
@postedback Going on old fart here. In general I encountered more purposeful beings doing something that mattered, things that they at least they thought were contributing to some greater good. I regularly encountered and interacted with people who actually cared to hone their skills and learn more. Can't say I see that I see much of that these days. Seems like most are claiming Bare Minimum Gang. That's my experience in respect with #1. In regards to #2, true, but I also had the pleasure of meeting folks who could focus and dig in technically and still get out there and be comfortable socially. Maybe it's been an even mix for me? You'll get banned or flamed for discussing what went wrong within #3, and I think #4 really informs #3.
#3 #4 you can thank the PIP factory
I saw it as, when C/C++ 'Software Engineer' became a cappuccino mocha latte hipster node.js 'Web Dev'.
Agree, stand-ups are annoying they judge you everyday what you've done and then low trust from boss and pm. Coding is fine but not working for companies.
thats a shame because ive an extreme introvert, and always loved math/ problem solving, but due to mental health in my late teens/early 20's i had a 10 year between highschool where my gpa was barely 2.5 and studying computer science with a 3.88 gpa. I know a lot of people in my classes that were almost 10 years younger than me did seem to study cs because of silly reasons like money and the fact that its an "impressive" job to tell people, those people often ending up hitting a wall pretty early and quitting.
do you have any friends?
Remember the good old Gold Rush days when everyone went to CA to mine for Gold. Who got rich? The people who sold Gold mining equipments
Coding has been dead since the advent of considering a 'web app' as a computer application. When Web 1.0 became Web 2.0. When engineering became 'development'. When development became 'dev'. When the internet became 'social'.
Bootcamps destroyed the tech world by convincing people for a couple of grand anybody could become a full stack developer.
Funny enough, UA-cam inserted a boot camp ads in this video
If chatgpt code is better than you, I have a bad news for ya
That ad placement is pure gold 😅
i am learning Python, hopefully coding is not falling. I am 66 years old
funny how the advertisment directly contradicts your message..
explains the fall of coding and boom 5:15 promoting his own courses to get into tech. wtf was that🤣 and he still says it would be a life changing moment if we took this course. guy is a legend.
He doesn’t care anymore 😂
He can't even look at the camera when he's promoting it as the cognitive dissonance is just eating away at him. Integrity is everything for long term mental health and TL needs to take a long look in the mirror.
peak satire
a legend with a straight face.
guy is an npc lol
1. Coding is perceived as less cool or impressive than before.
2. There's a belief that coding is dying.
3. Remote work is often not allowed in many tech companies.
4. Software engineering is no longer at the top of the corporate food chain.
5. There's a growing trend of alternative careers beyond the 9-to-5 system.
6. Coding is seen as a slow way to make money compared to other opportunities.
7. The market for tech jobs is described as brutal, with layoffs and challenges.
When he mentioned the part about "grifter...," he seemed unaware of the irony of his existence.
Please stop comparing yourself with other people. Everyone has their own history of life.
I got a CS degree in 2019. I never got accepted for a job. I think woman centric hr policy makes it basically impossible.
give it up and do something fun
I have no CS and still easily get a job in Devops.. so the problem is you
what did you study to get a job as a Devops...@@reeldeelz2940
True
Strange... I got CS degree in 2019 as well and I've worked at multiple companies. I've gotten most interviews i apply for too. And I am by no means a genius.
you are the true talker
I imagine a world in which a programmer is no longer incredible, in that world, I still see myself loving programming.
So what was it that made a programmer incredible to you?
Ok uncle bob
What does it mean if programming is not, "incredible" ?
Same. If I was a garbage man I would still code for fun after work. It's like playing video games to me. People who started doing this purely for money, sorry, it's your pain. Some of us don't have that problem.
Same.
Coding died when John Mcafee died.....
I've been a software developer since the mid-80s when I was just a kid. I started writing business software at age 18. Now I'm still developing software as a Sr. Engineer / Tech Lead and I've been with the same employer for 25 yrs now. I'll retire in 8 and live out the rest of my life on a very comfortable retirement. I am very happy I chose this career path - it's been very good for me. So what if it was a 9-5 job - I made a lot of money and I'm happy.
Yes, you are the man, I remember Muhamed ali said to kids, don't become a boxer because he was extremly lucky, he said become a lawyer a doctor, a dentist ect.. warren buffett said the same, the influencers who make it are extremely lucky but if you study and get a high paying job or become a developer you are guarenteed to have a decent living, I don't know why people compare the outliers of rap, music, youtube to your average engineer, if you compare the outliers of engineers to any other profession's outliers it's not even close, it's a no loose situation I 'm still in the beginning of my career as a dev, but will never consider quitting, maybe I will get to an administrative role as I get in my late 40s, and I will try to make my own company in the middle and see how that works, but coding and tec seems to me as the best option ever, not even debatable for me.
🤷🏾♂️ someone has to be a wage slave.
You should have switched companies and made more money
u da man!
That's impressive, I have small fluffy dog and not only can he not code he doesn't have a job (I am a crane, brrrr).
This is a similar dilemma with people getting PhDs. Everyone knows the market is terrible but they continue to go through with it anyway.
Here's how to escape: Become a Tech Lead, so you don't need to write code anymore.
Become a tech manager, and you'll never need to really work anymore.
There can be only one :)
@@BasementBerean"As a millionaire"
Nah bro. Solution Architect is where is at.
IT, Cloud and DevOps is where its at.
Coding is means to the end, creativity is lost, look at computer games , they are less and less creative , companies repeating themselves until nobody is interested, what is important in software industry ? Same stuff as of 20 years ago, real time transactions , embedded computing , UI its didnt changed a bit, but its important that trains and airplanes works, then there a lot of bs in software engineering like big data.
I think maybe people should concentrate on learning programming to solve particular problems or help with maintenance of older systems.
Why people that much worry ? We can live without computers like old days ,our food from Backyard,our mail Delivered with Donnky. These all engineers working hard on AI that would be their replacement robots .
This mf is giving anxiety attacks to students who are trying to get into computer science
if they're really into it and not just for the money, they will do it anyways :) Just like how most artists, no matter if they didnt get big, do gigs no matter how little is the pay.
Why? If they are studying computer science, their academic future is not going to be affected in a slightest. They will still write and publish their own research papers, no AI can replace them. I hope people who study CS are not going to be wasted as code.monkeys, right?
@@digie3823this I have wanted to be a programmer since I got my first computer in 2nd grade so I have no backup plan this is it for me
Worst sponser ad placement! 😂
If you are a lonely person without nothing to care about beyond yourself this makes sense, once you have a partner who loves you and kids that you care for, this no longer makes sense. Better to spend 2/3 weeks per year in the beach with partner and kids than months wandering alone in this world, just my opinion.
What?
Coding has never been cool. Its boring, and i'm trying of pretending its not.
I literally have no idea what this channel is even about anymore.
😂😂😂😂 I have been following him since 2018 and it's beautiful to see him turn from techlead to life lead
its purpose is to feed the algorithm
It’s become anthropological
i luv 2 see it@@PB111627
The same as it's always been, that TechLead is successful and rich, and is so brilliant and better than everyone. And he wish everyone to be more like him. As a millionaire. - On a serious note I do enjoy his take on different situations but it's from a very self orientated perspective, still interesting never the less.
the timing for the advertisement was great! 😂😂😂
It's not that coding is dead it's that it's simply not enough anymore. The entry barrier is extremely different to what it was 10, 15 years ago. You need to know so much more just to land an entry level job. Even if someone wants to go the independent, internet entreprenur route, where do you even start? everythhing is so saturated. It's really grim out there and I really worry for this generation.
You need to compete with AI
@@cathychatsI had the same fear when I was teaching myself to code. Now that I am a junior I laugh at how naive I was. AI will not be replacing anyone for a long time. It is, however, an incredible tool. If you dont use it you will lose to those that take advantage of it
@cathychats
AI isn't even close to beating experienced developers. Stop believing the hype.
@@JamesSmith-cm7sg Not experienced developers. But low-level developers, yes. Anyone who is naïve enough to think AI won't effect the tech industry is going to be in for a rude awakening.
@@Noneofyourbusiness57817no, trust me, A.I. - GPT is useless in practice.
It gives you a few valuable insights and let you to transition from one language to another faster, also create code template like no other things, but when it is to write, even a simple functional implementation in PHP of an actual Wordpress button, it's struggle with errors, can't create a proper query, don't declare global variables for access and so on.
Yes, you save a bit of time if you have no idea where to start, but if you already know how to properly use code, framework, library documentation, it will not help you that much other than saving a bit of time browsing code on Git or Stack to get inspiration when you are new to the problem. You have to open docs anyway to correct the errors.
Also, A.I., GPT, can't logically think what the code would actually do. LLM will just pack together words that are most likely to get along. We, with our brains, are capable to fully understand context and guess what happen, where are the potential errors and so on.
9-5 is the best option if you have kids, which most people do or will... being an influencer or 'independent' won't work in that case. Your life isn't about you anyway if you have kids. Shouldn't have reproduced if you want freedom.
oh i see a lot kids at daycare that are abandoned each day from morning till late evening. It is horrible, but most americans cannot see what is wrong here. If you work 9-5 in the office, not flexible, then some random people in the daycare or school make your kid the way they want. You role is eliminated to consumer and provider.
Many coding evangelists on UA-cam have ultimately shifted to selling courses, with the majority of these courses being targeted at beginners or intermediate learners, rather than pursuing coding as their primary source of income.
Also, I've lost count of the number of channels that initially began as tech-focused channels but gradually evolved into lifestyle and personal philosophy channels.
Exactly. Day in the life of their corporate job...then they quit and sell coding courses...then self improvement...then diet and exercise 😂😂
Mostly pointless plus they're oversaturating the better tutorials out there with inferiors ones. The ones from the author or main authority on the thing being coded and what they recommend are superior sources anyway, both for learning and beginners.
Even TechLead started as a coding channel, iirc.
Now hes evolved to other stuff.
Probably be because he wanted more variety with his content to attract more people.
Although I do miss his coding content
i think in order to provide in-depth technical content you actually need develop things and write code. as soon as you stop delivering production solutions skills decay and view of new technologies and approaches fades. i think that's the reason why a lot of influencers switch from tech themes - it just very difficult to find what to talk about, when you don't code anymore
Lol. That’s not true. I have a UA-cam channel but I don’t make money, I code but I don’t sell courses. Lol. I get paid from my 9 to 5.
I switched to tech late in my thirties.
Started to learn to code at 35, got my first tech role at 39, and I am now 43.
If you enjoy learning and tinkering, it is still a good job.
But if you really like to go beyond 9 - 5 yes. Like teck lead says.
Become an influencer.
I actually few folks that I started following who had 12k subscribers are now hitting 200k plus.
So it’s definitely doable.
Not quiet for me. But I did find a middle path.
What do you get when you combine a develops with an influencer.
You get a developer advocate.
Lol. My new title and I love it.
Grass is always greener on the other side
I spent my 20s and most of my 30s traveling the world living the vagabond life like what you’re doing now, and am so ready to live a stable life and work a 9-5 “wage slave” job. Traveling all the time gets exhausting, stressful and lonely.
Not to mention that for a lot of these people, it's all show. They often have a parent funneling them money all while acting like they're out there killing it on their own.
@@CrackShot-3 I don't deny it won't be stressful, but at least I can sleep in my own bed with my weighted blanket, not have to live out of a suitcase wearing the same clothes all the time, not always googling where to eat/sleep/tour, and I get to see my friends/family on a regular basis instead of being by myself in a different city all the time.
You probably won't like the experience. I certainly don't
@@trishayable classic example of grass being greener on the other side. trust me, I was also traveling in my 20s and I miss it so much compared to my 9-5 coding job
Did the same, found a Swiss girlfriend in Thailand in my late 20 after traveling the world, did a bachelor in computer science in Switzerland with kids 10yrs younger than me and I loved every second of it. Now at 35 I'm working 9 to 5 since 3 years, married that wonderful woman, kid in his way. Like you I don't miss at all my vagabond/farmer/dj/dive master/painter life. I wanted fun, I had fun in the right timing. Now I want stability and my tech job provides.
That said, I consider I have been super lucky and my life path is not what I'd consider being a reasonable plan of life.
Wow...the job must be really shitty in the US. I'm glad I'm a software developer in Europe.
Don't listen to techlead, he's just weeds out the competition before getting back into the game, because UA-cam career isn't paying out that well.
please listen to tech lead! he is the tech lead! I am barely eating just to get by being a software engineer
(tech lead is doing us a favor to kick out those mediocre devs while only in it for the money, not that it's bad but thinking you deserve it being mediocre is)
😂😂😂brother has brought down the competition by 53% with this video
It's happening the same way there was graphic/web design demand boom back in the mid 2000s.
What about data scientist
still need to code to be one.@@criptik5208
@@criptik5208 You mean the job where you just look at millions of data points all day long for 60 hours per week? Sifting through databases and trying to normalize your tables to make some sense out of it? That's probably the most tedious and eye straining tech job out there
@@joeseabreezesounds like a job that ai would eat up
I never got into programming for the money, and couldn't be happier. I got into it because I enjoy it.
That's bull. Everyone wants money. Unless you are a monk or Amish
I hope people see the irony in this dudes statements. He is driving his arguments with his own bias towards influencers since he obviously has now shifted towards being an influencer. Ofcourse his ideals are going to change. He doesnt need to code he's obviously enjoying the benefits of being an influencer with all the damn sponsorships he has. Anyone who takes this guys advice needs to question their sanity.
wtf he was blaming coding and then suddenly he starts to sponsor his coding company.
Next video, the rise of coding. 😅
it's because the market has shifted from subscriber based and now influencers post individual videos. Gone are the days where you can rely on subscriber viewership. that's why he's posting independent videos seemingly unrelated and never using call backs because he's targeting unique viewers instead of subs@@barryanders
hahahahahahaha could be...
How is this not the top comment?
Brutal Truth!❤
Feels like hes trying to convince himself that the life is living is better than his life before (with a kid and a wife where he had to stay in the same home same city). For me, i enjoy a stable life in the same city with my family.
Family and sanctuary is what it's all about, it can be a very very dark world out there, gotta cultivate the warmth from the inside.
that ad was timed with perfect irony
As a developer, you are never going to get respect from the business people in a non-technological company, so it isn't about the death of the programming; it's about the culture of the company you are working for.
Nah, it's about market supply and demand. Going into an era of software engineer over supply.
That's very true. That's what I was. IT were just the nerds who had to be tolerated, and paid well at that time, but not respected.
what are you doing on youtube? get back to work, code monkey
Working for company as coder is worst than labor jobs you are constantly pushed to do more and annoyed by managment.
Welcome to Italy, benvenuto!
I code because I love it. Not because for future trend. Future trend is an illusion. We never know what will happen next
I agree with what you said, but your avatar image. Why? j/k
I code with angular because of ridiculous reason: I like the logo, it's like my initial name :D @@CodingAfterThirty
That techinterview pro ad just fits perfectly in this video
Coding has not fallen. But it is obviously faced with a lot of competition. Every one wants to be an influencer these days. Very soon the market of influencers will be saturated.
It's already getting there. Everyone and their dog is an influencer.
Very true.
speaking facts
Actually Europe is the perfect place to work remotely for US companies. You have the day free for yourself, and you only start working at 6pm or 3pm, depending on whether you company is on the West or East coast.
Daily dose of reality and sadness
I found you on UA-cam because I was looking for coding related video and I got to know your life and current situation. I enjoyed your video where you went around Japan and your connection with Japan. Greeting from Japan!!
My CS classmates (M.S.) all started out making $150K+ out of school.
I love programming. I sold my business for 70m and spend my time build game engines these days. It's pure bliss.
In my day Devs were not making much money. It's always been business owners and still is today.
^^^ is correct! Translate your passion and skill into a business model for XYZ and you'll never work a boring day in your life.
AZT75X at less than $1. is like BTC at $100. When AZT75X finally blows its gonna be epic.
Im gonna be honest here guys, i broke into the tech field 10 years ago and the landscape is so different now. There were way more opportunities for new and intermediate devs back then. Now 90% of what I see is in contracts or senior/lead roles because they wanna hire one guy to do the work of 5 people.
Imo, this field is dying/transitioning into a more AI/automation focused profession with way less demand.
100% ... They want 5 devs for the price of one.
and this is just the beginning
pretty sure theres more opportunities now than ever tbh.
@@lemonstrangler any data you can cite for that claim?
I got into tech in 2012 and I'm done with it, now working on getting out. Totally oversaturated and I've become totally jaded with all of it, I have no real or serious interest anymore and there is no tech pathway that _truly_ excites me or that I can bring myself to even attempt to learn.
It's over. Nobody can say I didn't try.
Pretty based channel
I'm a programmer that works from home and makes 350k in my first job but it sucks because I have to work 9-5 as a wage slave and only get 3 weeks vacation
Nice.
Well, minus the lack of vacation.
What industry are you on? AI or somekind of crypto?
hey dude could i dm you? im lost on how to get started in industry
I pity whoever lookup to this guy, being an influencer is hard these days. Influencer market is very saturated these days. And when an influencer said political incorrect thing he lose all his livelihood.
Exactly being influencer is zero barrier to entry and most of these 20 Year online hustlers “coaching” others have no long term career potential, it’s very sad actually
@@bacool this techlead guy will be no body if Google decides to demonitize his channel, he will be looking for the 9-5 he mocks.
I like how there is an unstated point here that making a living by being an influencer, is just as possible or likely as being a SE. It's not.
As a tech lead myself, I would gladly trade it all in for being an influencer, traveling and making cool content.
Influencers usually get pigeon holed into doing one type of content over and over and over and over for the rest of their lives, seems the same as a corporate job where you don't work for yourself.
In reality, influencers are just cheap pennies for the dollar advertising drones for the mega corps.
your video back to normal. good to watch!!!!thanks techlead
Coding is like making music - you have to do it because you're obssessed with it, someone who can't not do it. Otherwise it will destroy you.
I would be obsessed with it if I felt it was useful. I feel that everything has already been made, and AI is replacing coders. This demotivation is what stops me from being obsessed with it. I'd have been obsessed if I discovered it in the 20th century.
@@SuperYtc1 Understandable. But in everyday life it doesn't matter if something has been made before. There's always someone who wants a custom version of it. I guess it has to do with one's self image as a developer. Many people, especially from the Americas want to always innovate and invent new things. But the reality isn't as glamorous, or at least it doesn't have to be. You can also just be like a carpenter. That's what it often looks like in Europe and honestly I'm glad. I'm tired of a pompous tech industry that, at this point, would probably name a simple spreadsheet program after a superweapon from a scifi movie.
coding is for (different level):
1, getting a job
2, making a product
3, create a new industry
1 has fallen, 2 is ok, 3 is still hot
Is funny how the video is about the dead of coding but is at the same time sponsored by his website that teach how to land a coding job 😂😂🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂
Tech Lead is a legend.
the demand for development jobs is actually compounding in present and future, with more job openings . so many businesses new and old looking to hire. any career field you go , someones gonna say something blah blah. just look at the job boards and talk to real people in the industry
I'm thinking about electrical engineering with computing. Looks like manual dexterity is the future. AI dorks won't solve power grid maintenance in our lifetimes
why not just go full on electrician in a proper technical school, instead of wasting 6+ years for a bachelor on some mostly math degree
There are probably not much engineering jobs that will suffer a lot with AI. The risk are much more in fields that are resisting to introduce automation. I'm coding professionally for 15 years and while it changed a lot I would say that it just improved. But eletrical enginnering is a great thing go ahead, you can get a coding job with no problem and earn much more than a maintenance engineer, and also sleep well, and work covered from the rain
A good number of electrical engineers moved into coding in the last few years. Not a bad combination
ee better than cs
Hi I did EEE and then tranisitioned from a Electrical engineer to a Electronic Engineer and now I am a programmer running my own business. If you want to do software teach yourself. If you want to do Electrical engineering then you will need a degree, but more importantly you will need hands on experience so you do not kill yourself or others.
the vegetation colors in Italy really are *really* bright and healthy.
Coding was never cool outside of the US. Still, I just got a dev job thanks to coding and money will always be cool.
That said I became a dev because programming has always been my passion.
If you try to get into software development just for the money you will hate it and you will suck at it.
The ppl who will suffer are JS only developers who learned frameworks just to push products .
Honestly I see real money in construction and renovations
I decided to go all-in on software. This was just the motivation I needed
It is still a good career option. I got into it late. And even with all this AI hype. I would still not change anything. Was the best decision I ever made.
@@CodingAfterThirty thanks. Just need to have faith!
Have fun being a wage slave and having a miserable and fully miserable life
it really is, coming from someone who just learns as a hobby and maybe job. theres lots of human judgement in jobs all across, its a big risk for employers to completely have them replaced @@CodingAfterThirty
@@CodingAfterThirty made my first little app now for a missionary doctor in India..
Merry Christmas brother. Let's stay in touch!
I've Got ADHD since I was born! Coding can help break any bad habit & Never Be Distracted!
OMG! I'm living on Lake Como .... happy to see your edgy video more than ever🎉
Sadly - true.
I've been in and out of my room a few times. its been an exhilarating week .
yeah same. I will occasionally go downstairs. what a day.
I joined the mafia as a hit man and living the dream. Tons more $$$, lots of travel and excitement. Sometimes I talk to my mark and learn what a fascinating life they lived before I execute.
Really awesome gig 😎😎😎
Yup it takes at most a decade to get sick of software engineering to be honest. Its a job for fresh souls who still have excitement about this
Totally agree and even thought about making a comeback doing it after 10 years in another role, but honestly I know I would hate it and would not want to go through that slog again
The coding part is fine, it's the toxic people you will have to deal with day in day out that will burn you out.
the last year I made this statement of yours for good reason, but random dudes began bombarding me with ridiculous comments. I guess things will be stand still a while, like 2 years or so but then it'll be booming again, adding that, electiric car transformation will make programmers alluring.
Most of the doom is predicated on the idea that being a professional dev is about writing code. For me, that's maybe 40% at most. The rest - writing tests that actually do what they need to do,, trying to refine requirements, dealing with infrastructure and processes, contributing to system design, supporting the live product, sharing domain knowledge with others - isn't something you can do with ChatGPT. Maybe I'm complacent, idk, but if my roles have been typical, AI can only reasonably come after a subset of the role
I have fun writing code, even though it looks like I add very little value when, e.g. I map API response to a data structure. I am happy for AI (or a solid framework) to take that over. But it turns out that telling things in natural language to a bot (ok ok LLM) is way more complicated than simply writing the code in the most specific language there is - a strongly typed programming language.
Chatgpt is only the beginning baby. AI will grow powerful rapidly.
I won't say coding jobs will become 100% dead. But just like content writing/copywriting, it's salary would go down drastically.
That's the main issue: salary. The main issue is not whether it will go extinct.
With computer science you don’t just study coding
Cool to see your travels. Glad to see you are having fun. I am at the end of my career as SE, tech manager, etc. It has been a good run, but it is time to find something else to do as I reach retirement age.
Thank you for your input, enjoy retirement !
9-to-5, just enough to barely survive...
"it's not that coding has fallen
coding is just as cool as it was in the 1980s
it's just that nobody wants a 1980s job anymore"
Coding exists beyond the bubble of silicon valley. Most coders i know work remote and no one has an issue with it.
Exactly. What he is saying is just the Bay Area right? And misleading people
I feel like it’s worthwhile skill for self and freelancing. I feel like if you’re good, you can make more money freelancing than you can working for someone else especially as a junior or mid level engineer. Working for a company doesn’t make it fun anymore. The LC grind and tech interviews is killing coding
i have a new word for the independents - No Collar Workers
You can never make money doing what everyone else is doing, grifters, independents, dropshippers, influencers will almost always get into something once the ship has already sailed.
They will always need software engineers. Don’t let this fear monger stop you from doing what you want to do. This guy doesn’t seem to care maybe one of you will take his job.
Less People Code = Higher paying jobs, please quit!
yes yes yes. Tech is bad now, tech does not pay well anymore
The good old zero sum game fallacy. Did you know that belief in this fallacy very strongly correlates with low IQ and low academic performance?
Kinda true though high demand, high salary. Low demand low salary.
I think people fail to realize… if you can code… you can build software and build a business…. If you can’t think of a real-world problem that an be solved with software you build… then coding isn’t for you.
Btw I’m still a complete noob.