Im just glad that the conversation is happening in more circles. Casting a light on cheating is good whether it's weights in fish, loopholes in specific rules, or something like gathering info on a lake from scouters, guides, locals before a tournament.
@@stevenalexander4771 It is a rules violation to get info from guides and locals if the info is not publicly available in print or on the internet. Pros can share information while fishing the tournament.
I live on Ky Lake and quite a few years ago Scott Martin had local stick take him out about a month before the tournament, He finished 2nd . People would be amazed if they knew of all the cheating that Seth is trying to explain that goes on .
Hey boys don't be bashing Scott Martin he's a great fisherman yeah I don't know him personally but I don't know any of them personally so how do we really know who's good guy and who's a dick or sore looser idk seems my man Scotty been getting his ass whooped since he got to the elites still no trophy Seth has been there already idk why the jealousy shit I don't get it it just best to keep your head down and be a humble champion that's what I think both great fisherman
There are a bunch of cheaters in the sport. A bunch of good guys with ethics too. I think the bad ones should be exposed and banned, but the tournament organizations seem to always find an excuse not to.
I went on a guided trip this year with a pro. I don't fish tournaments yet but when I showed up he asked me If I was fishing the tournament at the lake we were at. I told him no and that I'm just here to hope to learn something new. He said oh OK, I have 3 more trips and all three are fishing the tournament this weeknd. That made me feel a certain way.
I was offered lake info on Old Hickory in Tennessee for the Bass Pro tournament 2 years ago and turned it down. The guys father I rented the airbnb from was a tour guide on that lake. It's sad that sportsmen can't stick to the rules
They way i would define it is: a rules violation is almost always an accident, something you were unaware of or accidentally did spur of the moment. Cheating is intentionally breaking a rule or policy to gain an advantage. For instance, last year I top 10’d a 200 person national kayak event on chickamauga. I went to awards, got a big check, got interviewed on live awards, etc. 2 days later I posted pics of some of my catches and vids. People start blowing me up saying “bro, you dont have your life jacket on!” TD was notified and I was DQ’d. In kayak tourneys u have to wear a pfd all times. I had left mine in cab of truck I guess, I never even realized. I was very upset cuz I had never done that well on a national tour event and I was talking to TD on phone and he said “man you still caught those fish on your own against the best in country. No one can take that away, you just made a rookie mistake. Most of us have learned the hard way”. I obviously didn’t do it on purpose because I wouldn’t have posted my own pics and vids of the violation if I had. Cheating is getting local guide info during practice or leading up to event. Cheating is purposely snagging fish on bed when no one can see. Cheating is launching your kayak somewhere other than an official designated ramp. Cheating is accidentally snagging a shad on your crankbait then putting it on your dropshot hook and fishing with it. Cheating is digging out a trench in a sandbar so your kayak can get up in a creek or getting out of the kayak and dragging it over rocks or obstacles. Cheating is INTENTIONALLY going past boundaries to access water no one has been fishing, Cheating is submitting a fish someone else caught or using a fish a co-angler caught because he tells you its cool…….those type of things. You made a conscious effort and thought about doing it or planned to do it before actually doing it.
They need to do a polygraph on the top 10. My son fishes BASS college and the information issue is bad. They need to do a polygraph or a random polygraph for all payable spots
I think it was super cool. That guy went over that piece of dirt bridge makes it more interesting and really to see what those boats can really handle. they need to get away from the forward facing sonars.
Watching kayak tournaments on UA-cam way more entertaining than the big leagues it's down to the roots of fishing to much Drama in All the big leagues even the opens
Forward facing sonar isn't cheating. Back in the day when fishfiners came out, everybody said the same thing. Takes a lot of time and practice to figure them out too. I see all these people with the newest technology but have no idea how to use them. Technology is always advancing so there's always a learning curve and time dedicated to learning it. I've also seen people who know how to use it cast at every fish they see and never cash a check. Might as well just make everyone fish out of a Jon boat with a 10 horse motor with cane poles.
The Grey area fishermen and cheaters, are the reason I fish for fun. Gray area is like the weak boys jumping into female sports cause they are not good enough to compete against men.
86'd, an old term from the 1800's. If you had someone in town creating problems , you and a few others had to 86 the fella ( 8 miles out and 6 feet under).
Jacob Wheeler takes getting waypoints to another level, he won a major tournament at Pickwick a few years back doing it. Still doing it to this day and just gets a fine under the table
Seems like a rule that you cannot police why not just drop the rule? What if the tournament is held on your home waters don't you already have an unfair advantage? Perhaps info gathering should be allowed until day of first official practice.
Seth made a video that was a way of fishing that my grandpa taught me that I stopped using and after going back to it I caught my 1st bass this year in the most pressured pond that I've fished. 3 years and never catching anything in it has been broken because of a hand tied hair jig
“86”, is a old mob term that was used out in Las Vegas where cheaters were caught. They’d say that person needs to be “86”. Meaning 8 miles out and 6 feet deep!!
Also some “ top pros “ have had people pre fishing for them for years. Also putting out brush for them that wasn’t there two months ago. Sometimes they will hold fish sometimes not. But nobody else would ever know it was there.
If all infractions were on a public website and were listed under the person who violated the rules then there would definitely be more thought before breaking the rules
That one of the reasons i just stick to local tournaments with low entry fees because ive heard some BFL stories so i just want to enjoy the sport and a lil friendly competition
Perfectly stated - I think that receiving waypoints from other anglers is flat out cheating!!! How are you going to stop that - I know for a fact that this happens all the time and whoever gives the waypoints gets a little "kickback" if prize money is won. Both parties should be banned from that tournament trail - period. I am still on the fence about the forward facing sonar. The technology has definitely changed this sport to the point where it no longer is enjoyable to watch. Chopping hands or fingers off is a little drastic but if it works??????
I think if you get caught cheating, you should be punished accordingly. One problem I have with some of the anglers talking about cheating is ( I head about or he told me about something) . It you have receipts, then you are obligated as per the rules to report it. One thing I like about the MLF system of a marshal in every boat on the water. Now, is it perfect? No. But it is a step in the right direction. Now you're telling me that every angler who was sight fishing all by themselves who hooked a bass outside the mouth let them go? Probably not. Remember, there is a lot of money on the line. It's hard to lie if you are getting a lie detector, and I imagine one of the questions is, " Have you received information about the water we are fishing your tournaments on?" Do you know every angler who was suspected of sight fishing the same fish twice in an MLF derby last year was given a lie detector test, and only one failed. Back at the start of Bassmaster, they used a common scale because fishermen are liers. Tight lines. Cheers, Steven.
Don’t fish tournaments but hey it goes on and bass ain’t going to do jack. Personally sometimes you just gotta get in the weeds with them if your competitors are doing it.
The no info rule is probably the rule that is broke the most. I do believe they should be called out. If not to the public then to the anglers. There has been a few MLF guys come back to BASS. Wonder if that was one of the reasons to move back.
Kinda like guides getting to fish tourneys. They're making a living on the lakes and gathering info to then fish with others that aren't even close to their local knowledge. Is it right? No, but apparently you have to suck it up and deal with it.
FLW is no more. But I would love to hear your guess. Because I KNOW some of the ones who have gotten waypoints, hired locals to go scouting, and even gone fishing with locals prior. Odds are, if you suspect them, you’re probably right.
@@briancrawford1841 There’s several from KY. That doesn’t narrow it down. There may be one from IN and another may be from FL. And they may have been friends at one point. But I’ll let you decide if they were on your list.
Haha I believe he is judging by intent. Do people break rules, at times, yes, it doesn’t mean it was on purpose. Cheating however, I believe (not always) but in the majority of cases is purposeful.
No one likes rule breakers or those who constantly search for loopholes. However, without those people the policy makers wouldn't know, or be aware, of things to add to the rules to make things more fair and on a more even playing field. It's like a continuous improvement strategy using the assholes to make the "game" better lol.
But they don’t change anything and that’s the issue. Everyone is too afraid of losing sponsors or upsetting those in the organization they’re apart of, for things to be fixed ppl need to be called out by name and there needs to be support for those “whistleblowers”
Hit the wallet and post it all over the internet and social media and make a video about it with the name and what they did when they cheat. Put it in the paper you sign that your face and name will be on blast so they can’t sue. Obviously I’m speaking on cheating and not the rule violations. Cheating would be considered you doing something to try to gain points or an edge or to advance type of deal. Even specify the rules violations separately from the cheating type rules or anything that would dq someone
@MoneyBass I'll always rep outkast lol. There's a LOT of truth in what Feider is saying. I personally think rules violations need to be a permanent stat
Talking about my man Scotty Martin I like Seth a lot too great fisherman especially for them smallies but I like Scott and I like getting info from locals too I think it's a great strategy it's like deer scouting to me I like it
No, the name of the game is find them and figure them out. If you’re not interested in the heart of the sport then you should find another hobby and never fish for any kind of money. Also, go put boots on the ground and find the deer ya bum lol
Scott martin has been cheating for 20 years 😂 he finally screwed up bad enough bassmaster had to disqualify him. He cant cheat on the elite series its why he loses every tournament.
Each and every one of us knows right from wrong. If u foul hook a fish in Florida your all good in California your nit. The rules change state by state but bass rules stay the same i really think there should be a 200 yard rule of anyone creeping in on anyone regardless of your boat draw have some ethics guys including the just casual fisherman. Stop being buzzards. Im not interested in saying hello. Go find your own fish and pattern. Dont even watch what im throwing u get it. Do your own damn work .
I have a video of Seth Feider calling all MLF Anglers "dxxk suckers". I recorded it before they removed it. He sounds bitter because he's not as good as he used to be. To much time complaing and not enough fishing.
Im just glad that the conversation is happening in more circles. Casting a light on cheating is good whether it's weights in fish, loopholes in specific rules, or something like gathering info on a lake from scouters, guides, locals before a tournament.
It is not against the rules to gather information from guides,locals,or even other professional anglers
@@stevenalexander4771
It is a rules violation to get info from guides and locals if the info is not publicly available in print or on the internet. Pros can share information while fishing the tournament.
Just saw this now. Thanks for the love on your channel 💰Bass
No problem. Congrats on the success of your channel.
I agree with Seth and I believe he was referring to Jacob Wheeler
That’s one.
Ive heard JW’s name come up from an Elite angler, too.
I watched the full interview live, and liked it.
Love how you shortened it up and did your thing thing to it…
You just earned a new subscriber.
👍👍👍👍👍
I live on Ky Lake and quite a few years ago Scott Martin had local stick take him out about a month before the tournament, He finished 2nd . People would be amazed if they knew of all the cheating that Seth is trying to explain that goes on .
Hey boys don't be bashing Scott Martin he's a great fisherman yeah I don't know him personally but I don't know any of them personally so how do we really know who's good guy and who's a dick or sore looser idk seems my man Scotty been getting his ass whooped since he got to the elites still no trophy Seth has been there already idk why the jealousy shit I don't get it it just best to keep your head down and be a humble champion that's what I think both great fisherman
I love it! I know who you are talking about sir and you are 100% correct.
They all do that. If it is in the off limits you can. That isn't cheating. Getting info during off limits is cheating.
There are a bunch of cheaters in the sport. A bunch of good guys with ethics too. I think the bad ones should be exposed and banned, but the tournament organizations seem to always find an excuse not to.
I went on a guided trip this year with a pro. I don't fish tournaments yet but when I showed up he asked me If I was fishing the tournament at the lake we were at. I told him no and that I'm just here to hope to learn something new. He said oh OK, I have 3 more trips and all three are fishing the tournament this weeknd. That made me feel a certain way.
I was offered lake info on Old Hickory in Tennessee for the Bass Pro tournament 2 years ago and turned it down. The guys father I rented the airbnb from was a tour guide on that lake. It's sad that sportsmen can't stick to the rules
Probably wheeler
They way i would define it is: a rules violation is almost always an accident, something you were unaware of or accidentally did spur of the moment.
Cheating is intentionally breaking a rule or policy to gain an advantage.
For instance, last year I top 10’d a 200 person national kayak event on chickamauga. I went to awards, got a big check, got interviewed on live awards, etc. 2 days later I posted pics of some of my catches and vids. People start blowing me up saying “bro, you dont have your life jacket on!” TD was notified and I was DQ’d. In kayak tourneys u have to wear a pfd all times. I had left mine in cab of truck I guess, I never even realized. I was very upset cuz I had never done that well on a national tour event and I was talking to TD on phone and he said “man you still caught those fish on your own against the best in country. No one can take that away, you just made a rookie mistake. Most of us have learned the hard way”. I obviously didn’t do it on purpose because I wouldn’t have posted my own pics and vids of the violation if I had.
Cheating is getting local guide info during practice or leading up to event. Cheating is purposely snagging fish on bed when no one can see. Cheating is launching your kayak somewhere other than an official designated ramp. Cheating is accidentally snagging a shad on your crankbait then putting it on your dropshot hook and fishing with it. Cheating is digging out a trench in a sandbar so your kayak can get up in a creek or getting out of the kayak and dragging it over rocks or obstacles. Cheating is INTENTIONALLY going past boundaries to access water no one has been fishing, Cheating is submitting a fish someone else caught or using a fish a co-angler caught because he tells you its cool…….those type of things. You made a conscious effort and thought about doing it or planned to do it before actually doing it.
Heartbreaking! Thanks for sharing. I appreciate you watching and supporting the channel.
DAMN MAN THATS A COLD 🥶 ONE ! SUCKS BUT KEEP CASTIN YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME JUICE!!! THEY CANT TAKE THAT FROM YOU
Cheaters will never feel the wraith because guys won't call them out by name
They need to do a polygraph on the top 10. My son fishes BASS college and the information issue is bad. They need to do a polygraph or a random polygraph for all payable spots
I think it was super cool. That guy went over that piece of dirt bridge makes it more interesting and really to see what those boats can really handle. they need to get away from the forward facing sonars.
Watching kayak tournaments on UA-cam way more entertaining than the big leagues it's down to the roots of fishing to much Drama in All the big leagues even the opens
Forward facing sonar isn't cheating. Back in the day when fishfiners came out, everybody said the same thing. Takes a lot of time and practice to figure them out too. I see all these people with the newest technology but have no idea how to use them. Technology is always advancing so there's always a learning curve and time dedicated to learning it. I've also seen people who know how to use it cast at every fish they see and never cash a check.
Might as well just make everyone fish out of a Jon boat with a 10 horse motor with cane poles.
@@erichyatt3296lol no one wants to watch someone catch “inches” out of a damn near $10k cooler with a trolling motor 😂
As long as forward facing sonar is permitted, information passing should never be illegal.
The Grey area fishermen and cheaters, are the reason I fish for fun. Gray area is like the weak boys jumping into female sports cause they are not good enough to compete against men.
86'd, an old term from the 1800's. If you had someone in town creating problems , you and a few others had to 86 the fella ( 8 miles out and 6 feet under).
Lol, sounds worse than the definition I read. Thanks for sharing.
just my opinion but for what he knew and how to do it I would think that a local told him or it maybe even took him is that not considered cheating??
Good stuff! I really enjoy your content!
Jacob Wheeler takes getting waypoints to another level, he won a major tournament at Pickwick a few years back doing it. Still doing it to this day and just gets a fine under the table
That ain’t right
Commenting “Preacher buddy from Florida” will get you blocked by him in a heart beat 😂
Seems like a rule that you cannot police why not just drop the rule? What if the tournament is held on your home waters don't you already have an unfair advantage? Perhaps info gathering should be allowed until day of first official practice.
Seth made a video that was a way of fishing that my grandpa taught me that I stopped using and after going back to it I caught my 1st bass this year in the most pressured pond that I've fished. 3 years and never catching anything in it has been broken because of a hand tied hair jig
I agree 100 % I just glade someone has the round things that swing to say something.
“86”, is a old mob term that was used out in Las Vegas where cheaters were caught. They’d say that person needs to be “86”. Meaning 8 miles out and 6 feet deep!!
@@tommyray6633 😲👀
@1:50 when the cheaters say: IM SORRY MS JACKSON I AM FOR REEEAAALLLLL 😂💀😂💀😂💀
Lol, that's what I was imitating lol.
Also some “ top pros “ have had people pre fishing for them for years. Also putting out brush for them that wasn’t there two months ago. Sometimes they will hold fish sometimes not. But nobody else would ever know it was there.
I am guessing Jacob Wheeler.
Correct
If all infractions were on a public website and were listed under the person who violated the rules then there would definitely be more thought before breaking the rules
That one of the reasons i just stick to local tournaments with low entry fees because ive heard some BFL stories so i just want to enjoy the sport and a lil friendly competition
Poche vs. Feider Which one would you rather have your kid emulate? Answer is simple.
Seth by a mile lol
I agree with him. It's a lot of money being won. If you are getting waypoints. It's cheating and should be banned.
Honor and integrity is everything
Perfectly stated - I think that receiving waypoints from other anglers is flat out cheating!!! How are you going to stop that - I know for a fact that this happens all the time and whoever gives the waypoints gets a little "kickback" if prize money is won. Both parties should be banned from that tournament trail - period. I am still on the fence about the forward facing sonar. The technology has definitely changed this sport to the point where it no longer is enjoyable to watch. Chopping hands or fingers off is a little drastic but if it works??????
great video 💥 thanks
Thanks for watching.
Grey areas are legal. Rules are rules. You can throw a fit and get mad but maybe you should push the boundaries.
Tournament fishing makes a fun pastime into work. More money involved always leads to gamers and cheats ruining something fun.
I think if you get caught cheating, you should be punished accordingly.
One problem I have with some of the anglers talking about cheating is ( I head about or he told me about something) . It you have receipts, then you are obligated as per the rules to report it.
One thing I like about the MLF system of a marshal in every boat on the water. Now, is it perfect? No. But it is a step in the right direction.
Now you're telling me that every angler who was sight fishing all by themselves who hooked a bass outside the mouth let them go? Probably not. Remember, there is a lot of money on the line.
It's hard to lie if you are getting a lie detector, and I imagine one of the questions is, " Have you received information about the water we are fishing your tournaments on?"
Do you know every angler who was suspected of sight fishing the same fish twice in an MLF derby last year was given a lie detector test, and only one failed.
Back at the start of Bassmaster, they used a common scale because fishermen are liers.
Tight lines.
Cheers, Steven.
People sink brush piles .put them on GPS and sell or give the card to tournament anglers. .
Don’t fish tournaments but hey it goes on and bass ain’t going to do jack.
Personally sometimes you just gotta get in the weeds with them if your competitors are doing it.
The no info rule is probably the rule that is broke the most. I do believe they should be called out. If not to the public then to the anglers. There has been a few MLF guys come back to BASS. Wonder if that was one of the reasons to move back.
Undoubtedly, Boyd needs to cut his losses and bring back the FLW and the FWC that man bastardized and destroyed an institution
Did you watch Austin from dream catchers video
About selling waypoints?
Yes. It goes hand and hand with information cheating.
Lol that's the next video and tomorrow's livestream. 😎
I will try to make it. Thanks for the good content.
@@High-techRedneckFishing Thanks! I really appreciate you getting active in the comments and continually supporting the channel.
Kinda like guides getting to fish tourneys. They're making a living on the lakes and gathering info to then fish with others that aren't even close to their local knowledge. Is it right? No, but apparently you have to suck it up and deal with it.
I mean guys are driving around spot lighting bass! It's not fishing anymore!! When your looking at the bass on a camera!
So you shouldn’t use technology that’s the worst argument I’ve ever heard
Everyone of those mlf anglers that caught the same fish the same day at cayuga need sit down for the next tx but Boyd won’t do nothing
I agree witb seth but i say they have to sit out a year second time u caught banned for life.. they use to shoot cheaters back in the day 😳
Is seth completely innocent i think not
Explain....or did you stick your foot in it??
I wonder who he was talking about in FLW? I have my guess.
FLW is no more. But I would love to hear your guess. Because I KNOW some of the ones who have gotten waypoints, hired locals to go scouting, and even gone fishing with locals prior. Odds are, if you suspect them, you’re probably right.
@@bigbore4498 he is from KY
@@briancrawford1841 There’s several from KY. That doesn’t narrow it down. There may be one from IN and another may be from FL. And they may have been friends at one point. But I’ll let you decide if they were on your list.
I was thinking Jacob wheeler or Scott Martin, but I don't know
@@forest_357 I haven’t heard anything about them.
Haha I believe he is judging by intent. Do people break rules, at times, yes, it doesn’t mean it was on purpose. Cheating however, I believe (not always) but in the majority of cases is purposeful.
Some pros have been paying for information all along. All the way from the beginning of B. A. S. S.
Great idea to have a public list of all rules violations!!!
Would certainly not show that person's sponsors in the best possible light!! 👍
Public humiliation would be a strong deterrent 😎
No one likes rule breakers or those who constantly search for loopholes. However, without those people the policy makers wouldn't know, or be aware, of things to add to the rules to make things more fair and on a more even playing field. It's like a continuous improvement strategy using the assholes to make the "game" better lol.
But they don’t change anything and that’s the issue. Everyone is too afraid of losing sponsors or upsetting those in the organization they’re apart of, for things to be fixed ppl need to be called out by name and there needs to be support for those “whistleblowers”
@@lukebryant5017agreed.
Hit the wallet and post it all over the internet and social media and make a video about it with the name and what they did when they cheat. Put it in the paper you sign that your face and name will be on blast so they can’t sue. Obviously I’m speaking on cheating and not the rule violations. Cheating would be considered you doing something to try to gain points or an edge or to advance type of deal. Even specify the rules violations separately from the cheating type rules or anything that would dq someone
I trust you will afford the Bryan New DQ the same attention. Self admitted when confronted…..so no gray area.
I can do a livestream about it. What are your thoughts on it being reported?
Good stuff easy money !
Gotta love the Llama 👍
Quit Sprague'n this mess around 🤣
If hope y'all figured out who Feider is talking about. Sorry ms Jackdon, Seth is for real
Lol, nice. I could actually hear the song while reading your comment. 😎
@MoneyBass I'll always rep outkast lol. There's a LOT of truth in what Feider is saying. I personally think rules violations need to be a permanent stat
Talking about my man Scotty Martin I like Seth a lot too great fisherman especially for them smallies but I like Scott and I like getting info from locals too I think it's a great strategy it's like deer scouting to me I like it
No, the name of the game is find them and figure them out. If you’re not interested in the heart of the sport then you should find another hobby and never fish for any kind of money. Also, go put boots on the ground and find the deer ya bum lol
Scott martin has been cheating for 20 years 😂 he finally screwed up bad enough bassmaster had to disqualify him. He cant cheat on the elite series its why he loses every tournament.
😂
Jacob wheeler is a big cheater
Cut out the editing man.
The winner s work in teams i have been told this by alot of old pros most of em not all but most
Very true. Some of the groups around here have nicknames lol. Seems like it has just been a known "secret" lol.
@@MoneyBass it's really sad because it makes it almost impossible for the events to be fair
Wow! Money that’s crazy.
It is made public in Nascar of all violations 😮
Each and every one of us knows right from wrong. If u foul hook a fish in Florida your all good in California your nit. The rules change state by state but bass rules stay the same i really think there should be a 200 yard rule of anyone creeping in on anyone regardless of your boat draw have some ethics guys including the just casual fisherman. Stop being buzzards. Im not interested in saying hello. Go find your own fish and pattern. Dont even watch what im throwing u get it. Do your own damn work .
FOR F$*&'IN EVER!!!
Ok this commentary is just annoying af
I have a video of Seth Feider calling all MLF Anglers "dxxk suckers". I recorded it before they removed it. He sounds bitter because he's not as good as he used to be. To much time complaing and not enough fishing.
He won AOY 🏆 in 2021 , I wished I had his skills. He is right about favorites , but every sport has them .
Never go full retard
Guy's fishing for them and passing on all Intel plus other guy's getting Intel from friends