You are the only person that commented here that has a clue. Yes, that is correct. Thank you for being out there, unfortunately in a sea of armchair experts and complete morons.
Always had a weird fascination with the Iron cross and its variants, I would lose my shit if I found an awarded one for sale. (yes I'm well aware this is a post-war repro, still better quality than about 98% of all repro's made today though)
I have a real one. My grandfather fought in Europe against the Germans and captured a high ranking officer. It was one of his few war prizes he brought home.
Some people insist that the term strongly magnetic iron core means it is in it's self magnetic, I have see people testing the iron cross by trying to pick up a pin with it. A collectors forum member said "if it will not stick to a fridge like a fridge magnet it is a fake", Perhaps it should be described as, if a magnet picked it up is has a iron core.
I have a KC. The center is not magnetic.But the frame is not from a cheap metal. Is it real? Is it fake? Is it Kriegsmarine? Is it field wear? I cant tell.
As you move up the price range for Iron Crosses the Chinese efforts or whoever become quite advanced.. 3 layers, 44mm across the flats, iron centres, careful ageing and a clear little wear here and there.. A bit of light rust.. Sell a knights Cross alongside some other real, less expensive medals.. etc, etc.. Make it part of some old person's heritage... All and everything has been done to try to sell copies of a medal that would be worth $15 000 and upwards - if genuine.. Only proved provenance can help you find a genuine example... If not then you're going to get conned..
This clip was just as the title suggest- A magnetic test- It was posted for a buyer in France that wanted to see it. I ended up trading it with a local appraiser for a large auction house, who had a collector that wanted it as a placeholder in his already substantial collection.
Just to get a few of you set proper- I never claimed this was real, and actually got over 12K in trade value for it- with the recipient knowing exactly what it was. Anyone seeing this that has half a brain and any real knowledge knows that each officer that received this very exclusive type of award has a traceable record, and there are none that are un-associated. This has some things about it that were of interest to the collector that talked me out of it, and he asked me for a magnetic test video- I was in my shop painting an aircraft part, and put gloves on to not tarnish the medal. The buyer knew well enough what it actually is, and this is what he said- This is post war construction from materials gathered from the factory where these were being made, after a USA B-25 bombing mission. They were sold as forgeries of the real thing to unsuspecting collectors in the 70's and 80's. I got this for next to FREE in an estate sale bulk purchase. 99.99% of you will never even hold one of these in your hands, let alone a real one, so try to keep that in mind when you are about to type
du sagst es :) die Firma rudolf souval aus wien fertigte abzeichen und orden aus dem dritten reich darunter das eiserne kreuz oder das allgemeine sturmabzeichen. als die Firma den krieg überstanden hatte, fertigten sie orden wie das Ritterkreuz für Soldaten der Besatzungsmächte Amerika wie England an.Als kriegssouvenier darum kannst du dir sicher sein wenn du auf ein rk typ wie den von souval triffst deffiniert er somit auch ein nachkriegsstück... auch ein stück Zeitgeschichte aber halt jüngeres als andere stücke;)
Yes, not original, but this piece has three piece construction, and was sold for 12 grand to a collector that works for Sothebys. Paul, you are not correct.
Some collectors want placeholders, and have more money than most- Rare things sell, even if they are known to be copies. Some folks want to collect those too. Hell, look at the knuckle draggers that collect Converse and Nike sneakers.
Definitely a copy made during the Cold War for collectors, I love the oakleaves with swords & diamonds, if you want to sell it to me just tell me
You are the only person that commented here that has a clue. Yes, that is correct. Thank you for being out there, unfortunately in a sea of armchair experts and complete morons.
Always had a weird fascination with the Iron cross and its variants, I would lose my shit if I found an awarded one for sale.
(yes I'm well aware this is a post-war repro, still better quality than about 98% of all repro's made today though)
what is so bad about an awarded one for sale?
I have a real one. My grandfather fought in Europe against the Germans and captured a high ranking officer. It was one of his few war prizes he brought home.
@@ChristopherFrydryck that is some cool family history my guy
Some people insist that the term strongly magnetic iron core means it is in it's self magnetic, I have see people testing the iron cross by trying to pick up a pin with it. A collectors forum member said "if it will not stick to a fridge like a fridge magnet it is a fake", Perhaps it should be described as, if a magnet picked it up is has a iron core.
nice RK postwar Piece :)
German WW2 collection ww2 glaubst du das das Orginall ist, ich meine mit Eichenlaub und Schwerter und brillianten
@@potato-hunter5570 postwar.... Nachkrieg.
So what I'm seeing here is, my Iron Cross should jump on a magnet.
An original has a magnetic core and a three piece construction. A lot of fakes are diecast but be carefull.
Looks like a Rudolf Souval.. 800 - L/58. Not as desirable but still somewhat collectable.
Give some info on who’s it was. I noticed diamonds. A little history would have been great.
I have a KC. The center is not magnetic.But the frame is not from a cheap metal. Is it real? Is it fake? Is it Kriegsmarine? Is it field wear?
I cant tell.
As you move up the price range for Iron Crosses the Chinese efforts or whoever become quite advanced..
3 layers, 44mm across the flats, iron centres, careful ageing and a clear little wear here and there.. A bit of light rust.. Sell a knights Cross alongside some other real, less expensive medals.. etc, etc.. Make it part of some old person's heritage...
All and everything has been done to try to sell copies of a medal that would be worth $15 000 and upwards - if genuine..
Only proved provenance can help you find a genuine example...
If not then you're going to get conned..
I have a question: “Is a Knights Cross only real if It’s magnetic, or is it the opposite?”
Both real & fakes can be magnetic or not = test magnet is not enough to determine if a knights cross is original
@@JACOPO.OFFICIEL ...how can you tell that this is fake, one cant see much from this clip?
This clip was just as the title suggest- A magnetic test- It was posted for a buyer in France that wanted to see it. I ended up trading it with a local appraiser for a large auction house, who had a collector that wanted it as a placeholder in his already substantial collection.
Either way I recently bought a Shinckle cross and it's non magnetic also I also bought a Hammes & Sohne cross and it's magnetic.
Just to get a few of you set proper- I never claimed this was real, and actually got over 12K in trade value for it- with the recipient knowing exactly what it was. Anyone seeing this that has half a brain and any real knowledge knows that each officer that received this very exclusive type of award has a traceable record, and there are none that are un-associated. This has some things about it that were of interest to the collector that talked me out of it, and he asked me for a magnetic test video- I was in my shop painting an aircraft part, and put gloves on to not tarnish the medal. The buyer knew well enough what it actually is, and this is what he said-
This is post war construction from materials gathered from the factory where these were being made, after a USA B-25 bombing mission. They were sold as forgeries of the real thing to unsuspecting collectors in the 70's and 80's.
I got this for next to FREE in an estate sale bulk purchase.
99.99% of you will never even hold one of these in your hands, let alone a real one, so try to keep that in mind when you are about to type
Well said
Weetbix Box item..
Raining blood
Omg...pitter patter
1939 a nazi soldier was wearing that 2017 its being used for magnetic testing
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Original?
ne das ist eine billigie gusskopie und das Ritterkreuz ist eine nachkriegsfertigung souval 50 er jahre :Daber die kosten auch n bisschen ;)
German WW2 collection ww2 Die haben aber auch richtige ek hergestellt
du sagst es :) die Firma rudolf souval aus wien fertigte abzeichen und orden aus dem dritten reich darunter das eiserne kreuz oder das allgemeine sturmabzeichen. als die Firma den krieg überstanden hatte, fertigten sie orden wie das Ritterkreuz für Soldaten der Besatzungsmächte Amerika wie England an.Als kriegssouvenier darum kannst du dir sicher sein wenn du auf ein rk typ wie den von souval triffst deffiniert er somit auch ein nachkriegsstück... auch ein stück Zeitgeschichte aber halt jüngeres als andere stücke;)
No .the oakleaves and diamonds are a joke. Both fakes
No both fakes ya ca also see the metal through the black, that should never be senn
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Repro...
yep
Fake.
Not original....one piece construction I can tell.
Yes, not original, but this piece has three piece construction, and was sold for 12 grand to a collector that works for Sothebys. Paul, you are not correct.
Battlefind, you’re not correct, since your comment is so contradictory.Please, go back to school and learn your English.
they got ripped off.
@@slotuck 12000 for a fake 😲 goddam one must do some research before buying such a thing !
Some collectors want placeholders, and have more money than most- Rare things sell, even if they are known to be copies. Some folks want to collect those too.
Hell, look at the knuckle draggers that collect Converse and Nike sneakers.