Does Authenticity Matter in Hip Hop? | @AskDEHH w/ Sophie
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So...we know it's been a while since we dropped an Ask episode, but we're getting back on schedule. This is actually an episode that we had in the vaults from a few months back! We were asked: Does an MC have to be authentic nowadays in order to be successful in the industry?
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Man I missed Myke C Town and Kinge screaming at each other
Expurr I know. The review for Lil B's album was a classic!
Lol
Dion Saunders Lil B's album was a classic
Dion Saunders "WHAT'S THE MESSAGE, KEN!"
Miguel Hernandez "I Said it had a POSITIVE message!"
I like how the longer Mykes dreads get the more intense he is, its like he goes super saiyan
Myke back to his old ways, I love it! We missed angry C-Town lol
***** The shit is clearly mad old.
Brad Joyner It's not that old though, they recorded this late last year.
The day rapper Rick Ross was exposed for lying about his past of working as a correctional officer and continued to sell albums was the day authenticity in hip hop died
I don't think that's the single reason.
Danny Stevens Its the biggest
Christopher Carter yo ive been sayin that
***** Yeah, I agree. If it sounds good, I couldn't give two shits.
***** Most rappers don't live the life they say they do.
Being real mattered when hip hop was seen as a culture. But now hip hop is becoming more as a business, so it's now about whatever sells. If tomorrow, it somehow becomes cool to not do drugs, rappers are all of a sudden rap about that.
Exactly!!
Donny Raskal Yes. What makes me sick is seeing guys that put little to nothing in their music like Chief Keef and Young Thug seem to get much more recognition from the kiddies than guys like Kendrick, J Cole, Logic, etc.
Donny Raskal Hiphop has been a business since day one...that's why its called the music business. If artists didn't care about the money they would not sign their rights away on a record deal. Old people want to act like the 80s and 90s were more real lol, they're just blinded by nostalgia, the truth is finally being revealed thanks to social media. There is NO difference between a contracted actor and a contracted rapper, they follow the role that pays the most whether its the gangsta role or the conscious role, the sexual role they adjust appropriately.
D.J. Tomlin hate on Thugger all you want but he has a really nice ear for melodies/harmonies. his lyrics arent anything special, but you cant disregard the things that makes him unique
MJmojito I guess. I just can't take the dude seriously at all.
beezy is always sick lol. Get well soon bro.
JBC Jackson Nah I'm pretty sure they recorded this on the same day he was sick before, if you notice they're all wearing the same thing, including Sophie.
Go back to the video where they were talking about "which artist do you want to see colab" or something like that, I remember it.
JBC Jackson Yeah actually it's "Artist we'd want another album from", they recorded this the same day.
***** yeah you right
it was recorded in 2014
***** How the fuck did you notice that xD
"But he wasn't talking bout coke and birds, it was more like spoken word"-Kanye West
ERRoN KiNG Except he really puttin' it down.
Ethan Flynn i always felt like those lines always explain kanye well back then atleast....
".....everything I'm not made me everything I am."
Fleezy81 Damn.
Fleezy81 classic ye...
These guys act like older rappers didn't make up stuff to make money . Dr Dre "I still express, yo I don't smoke weed " then gangster rap started blowing up then he releases weed /gangster related raps. The only difference now and then is social media exposes new rappers more
Eazy exposed Dre and he still sold records if you don't remember bud, but you probably don't
KuruptKilla21 i do . which shows authenticity isnt a new problem.
Eugene Mabz Because Dre didnt smoke weed when Express Yourself was released.....he started smokin when he linked up with snoop
how do you know he didn't change his mind about that?
than you that's what I'm saying
Random guy: feefo wheres is a good spot to get sandwiches out her?
Feefo: i would say subway but you should ask ctown he been eating sandwiches longer than i have because im younger than him. I bump in the whip.
Lol cool story bro
Lol 😂
Damn😭😭😭
This is accurate AF
TheErw91 Random guy: ctown wheres is a good spot to get sandwiches out her?
ctown: i would say subway but me and kinge are a little older so we have a bit of a different way we view things as sandwiches were a lot different back in our day so idk. Its just not for me.
Lol cool story bro
Lol ketsado it seems you took it a bit too offensive. Since you basically copy an pasted the same format just used ctown instead of feefo lol.
When are y'all gonna review the new Kidz Bop album??
I think the confusion between Myke misunderstanding Kinge's comments can be easily resolved. They both were touching on the same aspect as to why Hip Hop is becoming more 'creative' and 'diverse' compared to it being 'hood', and this is because there are more than just one type of class that are involved within hip-hop.
Hip-hop was primarily more of an urban low to middle class genre of music during the 80s and 90s; and like what Myke was saying the introduction of different cultures and social classes has caused hip-hop to evolve. Kinge was basically saying the same thing but referencing a shift or advancement of the urban community in isolated cases. Whilst I agree that the current generation (both black, white, latin etc) is not that much better off than it was 25years ago, the sheer size of hip hop and popularity has caused a change in the values of its listeners.
Also, I don't want to be overly critical of Myke cause I know how these debates get when I'm with my own friends, but you don't need to shoot down the ideas of Kinge or Feefo and act like only your opinion is the right one.
I think the point Kinge was trying to make is the accessibility the younger generation has.
He's saying that even though children can still be poor and deprived of a life without struggle. They still have access to things like phones with the Internet and the world outside of where they are.
Today you can sit and watch a baby play with a touch screen phone and know how to use the basic functions. Everyone has a phone in the house, the majority of people I see walking have headphone in and will be texting or posting on Facebook at the same time.
Back in the day you couldn't even touch the house phone because that was the only phone available. You couldn't socialise in the same way because it was a lot harder to connect. A mobile phone was a luxury item.
Trickle down effect:
Kids automatically have that connection. All those challenges that go viral that you see from the most hood places to a celebrity then mimicking it. (Ha, got eeeem)
That will change how the younger generation experiences a medium like music.
You don't have to be in the club to know that twerking is going on. You can be within 4 walls and still see these things happening.
Music is more TMZ media like for them. It's all about headlines, commenting and critique. Not the experience of listening to an album and what an artist has to say. What they look like is more important to a lot of "fans" now.
There was a point in time when it was a while before you even knew what an artist looked like, because all you had was audio. (hence why people loved cd/album booklets)
Now..... It's like artist come with stat cards and the fans compare to see if they like the persons style/character before the music.
From: yo.. I've been hearing this song for a while and I didn't even know that dude was white.
To: Yeah, she from Australia and raps in a southern accent, but she's all over the media. If you don't follow the crowd you just hating.
MKUltra Rex This is also a really valid point man, the Internet has undoubtedly made the world a smaller place and caused mainstream hip-hop to grow exponentially! I think continuous exposure, social media, digital media outlets (e.g. WSHH, HHNH, Rapradar etc) has resulted in changing the way most people view the music. If it weren't for the internet I myself maybe would never have discovered some of my favourite artists
Rich Bazz I think Kinge understands Myke but Myke does not understand Kinge. Myke's right that different cultures and classes are involved and evolving hiphop. But Kinge is adding to that comment by saying the authenticity is declining but the content or subject matters are getting 'better' or 'safer'. By having less ratchet/gang banging/ignorant shit the music becomes more fun and less serious. Kinge and Modest media both have kids and they agree.
Rap is changing more because it is more mainstream therefore more peoples from different walks of life listen to it and because there are more demographics rappers can appeal to that means there are more versatile rappers because they are all trying to go for different sounds to appeal to there target demographic
manuthePROcrastinator Did you just sum up Myke's 30 minute argument in one run on sentence?
Ocean Sage yes. yes he did lol
This is that classic Dead End Hip Hop!
There's definitely aspects from both arguments that I think are true. It's good and hilarious seeing good ol discussion/screaming from these dudes
I'm 19 and I care about authenticity
kingdaniel4195 Okay...
yeah, he was saying young people dont care about authenticity. I want rappers to be real .
They aint gotta lie to kick it my nigga lol
kingdaniel4195 You my friend are an anomaly. Most kids your age, younger, or even a bit older are uninformed and have no clue that hip hop is supposed to be an art and a culture.
kingdaniel4195 I understand you. You shouldn't lie. Hip hop is supposed to be dealing with reality. Young Thug for example, I guarantee you he ain't no thug. The shit he do, thugs don't do.
Same im 19 and authenticity and lyricism means a lot to me
Good convo but I disagree with Myke on the point that younger generations don't care about authenticity. I'm young and the reason my favorite rappers are my favorite rappers is because they're genuine about their image. If Kendrick wasn't genuinely from Compton and lived that life he wouldn't be as big as he is now, if Drake wasn't genuinely a fuck boy he wouldn't be where he is now. Ppl still care about the artist behind the music
That Drake line made me laugh out loud
Kamal Walters fuck up drake hater
I'm the same way. I'm young (19) and care about authenticity
Kamal Walters What you have to realize though is your kind is in the minority. If the majority cared, you wouldn't have the type of bullshit you have dominating the mainstream.
+TEKU FTW I disagree, I have friends on both ends; those who don't care and those who do. And I have more of the ones that care than don't. Even the ones that listen to that drill bs, they get into arguments on which rapper is really bout that lifestyle and they won't listen to them if they think they're fake
It's angelic how you guys are willing to deal with Myke C Town. He doesn't realize how manic he comes off. I suspect that you guys know his issues and are showing compassion toward him by calmly dealing with his "turn-ups". Now that's love. Every time that he comes down I hope that he's profuse in showing you guys how lucky he is to have you'all as friends.
I feel like it doesn't matter anymore unfortunately. So many rappers are just actors these days.
That's exactly what I was thinking, well said
k1dkur0 Dr. Dre didn't even live in Compton, 2pac was literally an actor, the list goes on and on. Authenticity is whatevah. if you can spit, you can spit.
Miguel Hernandez But what happens when they can't spit and they're fake? How is it that they still remain in the game?
I think that's another issue, man. Hip-hop heads that dig quality rappers can't control what ends up on the radio
k1dkur0 Money is the only thing that matters to them
rapping is alot like wrestling when you think about, there are real wrestlers who are real athletes who compete in the olympics and there are fake wrestlers who develop a persona to entertain a crowd. not saying either is better but both have their place for what you want out of hip hop
You can't ignore the influence of the internet on the diversity of hip hop.
Please review "barter 6" just for laughs.
***** damn getting angry for no apparent reason. Please take this kind opportunity I'm giving you to make you a better person. www.silverhillhospital.org/mobile/home.aspx remember we're all here for you💜
yes
***** you just proved yourself.
get wey "No homo but my blunt looks like a dick"-Young Thug.
Why would they laugh ? Barter 6 is very enjoyable alternative hip hop album
"Because I didn't get a fucking chance to get my fucking point" LMAO
I have to side with Kinge on this. What Myke is missing is these young kids experience is vastly different than the era we were apart of. Many kids don't play outside as they once did due to Internet, video games etc.. The internet, social media, camera phones and mobile devices didn't exist either causing a dramatic shift in a fan base that know longer put a premium on authenticity. In the 90's the motto was 'keep it real' and the fan base helped to maintain that connection to authenticity. I also think music industry is the biggest change in this equation due to the former gates keepers no longer having teeth as they once did on what artist could get put on. The barrier of entry is lower for upcoming rappers trying to get in the game.
you Know Myke get heated when them "MuthaFuckers" start flying lmao
I think Kinge makes a fascinating point about how generations have improved. I totally get it.
Myke C Town was snapping on Kinge lmao
Being authentic and being socially conscious are two very different things. They used to go hand-in-hand in the early days of Hip-Hop but those days are long gone.
Kanye, for example, has ALWAYS been sincere. He was honest about who he was, where he was from, what he thought he deserved, and his demons. That's what being authentic is/means. Regardless of your background: if people can relate to what you're saying or believe your story, they will like you. Be real, and you WILL find your audience. Other examples: Drake, Kendrick, J. Cole, Childish, Wocka, Gucci, etc.
Being socially conscious, on the other hand, means speaking on cultural, political, social and even religious issues. That's what it means to be a "conscious" rapper now. There are several examples of back when it was the norm, but it's just a subgenre of rap now. Examples: Lupe, Common, Immortal Tech, Talib, Brother Ali, Mos, etc.
Beezy, I'm sick too, man. Get well! Man, I love hearing you guys talk about stuff, but the more of these I watch I always end up on Kinge's side and Feefo's too. Myke needs to relax! Interesting conversation.
I generally love more conscious hip hop, especially lyrical stuff matters to me. So I think authenticity matters in the way of genuine delivery and that they care care the subject matter and believe in it, otherwise it sounds fake to me. I just want rappers to rap about the world as they see it and have experienced.
I haven't even watched the video and my answer is yes. Authenticity is still inportant, its just that we have so many unauthentic rappers with hit singles. People purchase their music so they assume it's a cosign. Some rappers who ate story tellers have said they tell their own story and the stories of others. The problem is that some rappers tell other stories like it's their own. I can't rock with it. That's the main problem I have with the "runaway slave master" "why can't I say the n-word" igloo australia. (Iggy azalea if you couldnt read btwn the lines)
This was one of the best discussions from you guys in a while. Both sides had valid points. Blacks and other minority cultures have had more involving in middle class america and i think that voting turnout last elections demonstrated that. At the same time you have ppl who never cared about actual hip hop culture or urban culture and just like the music because it has become a part of pop culture as well
One thing I wanted to say was that I believe authenticity adds to a person's music. Do you think if Brother Ali and ATCQ weren't really about positivity and love they would still be able to bring the same level of musical quality as well as storytelling? That is one thing that seperates a Ross or Iggy from a Jay a Pusha or even a Keef. If Ross really did the shit he claimed I believe it would reflect in his ability to describe his past and tell his story. Even if it didn't make him any better of a lyricist it would make him a more layered artist with real, vivid, stories to tell.
Both of y'all had proper arguments, nobody was wrong imo
You guys are probably always busy, but you guys gotta review Oddisee - The Good Fight. Beezy, you're in for a treat
i think the internet fucked it all up
I agree
Jesus Myke...
Thanks Feefo for calming it down. I thought Myke stopped doing this type of shit...
Ja'dden Norman myke's still bout that hood life
Ja'dden Norman This is clearly old. Look at them. This looks like it was recorded back when they did the Run The Jewels review. And why are you trippin? This wasn't even hostile. They used to always yell at each other.
MF MEME that anger life lol
Brad Joyner i'm not trippin. I'm just witnessing someone else trippin, and scratching my head about it, because we made so much progress over the years.
I do see that it's pretty old, but not old enough. Communication doesn't always work, especially when talking about controversial/new topics. Myke, by now, seemed to know that.
Brad Joyner you're trying to excuse someone for acting like a child because it's commonplace. I get it, it happens. But not when you've debated opinions for a long time. Plus, he was the one that spoke out for his own opinion. If he can't manage to get his point across, that's his fault, bottom line. He could have just agreed to disagree, and left it, but he HAD to keep saying the exact same shit 3 times as if no one heard him.
You're the one putting shit out of proportion. He repeated the same point three times. It doesn't matter if you're right- yelling is juvenile as fuck, especially when you're talking non-personal shit.
You're also calling black people niggas, like it's nothing, which is another conversation in itself. Give up the dick riding.
Ken's face at 25:30 is like, Yes, I did it again. lol
A Tribe Called Quest will go down as legends. Pure and simple artistry.
No authenticity doesn't matter as much as it did 20 years ago. Just the simple fact that Rick Ross still has a successful career after taking someone's name, persona, lying about it & the truth coming out of him being a C.O when he's talking about moving keys every 5 seconds proves to me that as long as the music is enjoyable very few people care if you are what you say you are.
Inner city individuals and their situations aren't necessarily better than in the 80's and 90's; but, contemporary hip hop is much larger and reaches out to a more diverse audience.
Yes it does matter. If you are really about hip hop in its true essence you would know this as self evident. Those who say it doesn't matter want an easy way not to be checked on it. All backgrounds and races can be authentic, its how you understand the culture. If authenticity is not important to you then hip hop culture is not for you.
In all music, authenticity does not add directly to the audible aesthetic of the music, but it does lend to the conceptual component and the credibility of the content. Some people judge art by its form, others by its content, and others look at both. Content is far more valuable when digesting music than the form(or sound) is. Great artists are about stimulating ideas, and the most stimulating ideas are authentic ones.
So y'all just gonna ignore Wale latest album. Really??
Chakib Abdennabi why would they review nothing
Wale sucks
Chakib Abdennabi It sucked, every Wale album they've reviewed they never liked
I understand what Kinge is saying. When you have more of the African-American youth that have grown up in privileged situations such as Childish Gambino, or even a Tyler the Creator, the genre and culture of hip hop becomes more diverse. Compared to back then when the only people that did have a voice in hip hop were people who had grown up in the projects and slums, so the majority of the genre was focused on what life was like in these underprivileged situations
You're both right. Basically the same point. Money = less poverty = less people care about how "authentic" an artist is. Richer people don't care about the authenticity because they never lived the life, they are, too listening for escapism.
Do Yelawolf new album love story
***** Actually make an argument and stop re posting the same fucken thing.
jeff emerson it's trash though
SBSMedias So explain.
It's not really great it's ok
That shit was terrible :/
Discussion made me think of this 'Most rappers these days is actors and I can't keep watching the same movie' - Mick Jenkins
I agree with Myke on this one as a 25 year old male who grew up in Detroit. I know first hand people in tha hood still like real hip hop and want it. But alot of people in tha hood don't have computers or tha Internet. So thru don't have access to these different artist. All they hear is music from tha radio. And as far as tha other topic. We haven't had a real good artist since 50 & G Unit. After them came this new era of "rappers" just being threading
***** I think Kinge understands Myke but Myke does not understand Kinge. Myke's right that different cultures and classes are involved and evolving hiphop. But Kinge is adding to that comment by saying the authenticity is declining but the content or subject matters are getting 'better' or 'safer'. By having less ratchet/gang banging/ignorant shit the music becomes more fun and less serious. Kinge and Modest media both have kids and they agree.
It seem Ken and (especially) Myke put the fear of God in Sophie by the end of the debate.
You guys are right about younger fans: we just accept that musicians are entertainers and NOTHING MORE, that goes for all genres.
I appreciate anyone being themselves, and creative, and not selling out or betraying their true self. But sometimes I think some people look at this music artform too serious. Yes, we know we got to keep it real right now. But when keeping becomes more important than than the music and the message it gives it ain't right. For me the lyrics and message, and the way it influences yourself and others is the most important. And the subject matter today is often plain stupid, materialistic, and even occult. And this will get worse with time I'm afraid.
Raekwon fila review if possible guys, thanks
A wise one told me before, hip-hop is hope. Hope is something that translates through skin color or background. I think people are just waking up to the realization that there's a place for everyone & everything. Thats why the culture / genre is #immortal
With Rick Ross, it matters because he acts as if he WAS pushing drugs etc etc, when in reality he wasn't doing any of that. I think it's important to just be honest when rapping and maintain integrity.
Hiphop has gotten bigger now, because the current generation (as a majority) views it, as a genre, as more acceptable than it used to be. Because it began to market itself on a much larger scale (mid 2000s when you started hearing rap songs and "hiphop style" jingles in commercials, keep an ear to commercials btw, they act as time stamps; rappers acting, doing tv shows, also the icing on the cake was 3-6's bizarre Oscar win..hell, the nomination in and of itself). From then on, rap has became one of the most -- if not THE most -- sought after genres of music (especially by companies/individuals desiring to make money, used by anyone trying to seem hip to gain a larger appeal) the only other "genre" now who's gotten "mainstream/national" buzz, is the stereotypical "Indie" sound. Again, look at television commercials, they tell on themselves. So many bands/artists you wouldn't think would get attention at such a level, have now, within the past 5-6 years. Also, looks at Kanye's music. Though I'm definitely not a fan, it also acts as a time-stamp. What he's into on any given year are the musical, cultural, sub-cultural, materialistic-based, societal trends of said year. And him being so dominant in that genre, sways the majority of that fan-base to follow the same trends, including a mindset. Majority of hiphop fans today (in order) either claim hyper pseudo-creativity (which also doubles as high-end luxe..think someone like Andy Warhol, a basic's intro into such a world), nerds/backpackers/"hipsters", gate keepers of nostalgia/spitters, politically driven, and THEN trap lord personas. The generations have gotten more open minded, thus allowing hiphop in, and then like any youth generation longing to belong, they -- in some cases TRY their hardest to -- identify with it and adopt it as their own.
I'm 25 and nowhere near Myke's age but I'm a listener who counts authenticity when viewing artists in hip hop. Reason being because I grew up on 90s & early 2000s hip hop where 90% of rappers were real about their image, or at least backed it up. It's not so much about age that plays into it but more so about who/what you were brought up around musically
Soulbrotha 91 Agreed.
I ask the same thing of hip hop artists that I do about any other musicians I like.
As long as they are coming from a genuine place I will give em a chance. They don't have to be hood they just have to be honest and talented.
Honesty and integrity is something that is sadly rare in all forms of music these days. I see as many hack metal bands as I do fake rappers but the trick is to sort through the mediocrity or bullshit artists to find the few ladies and gents doing shit worth taking notice of.
Myke is right, everybody listens to hip-hop now so it has become more mainstream and mainstream art (music, movies, etc.) is almost always less authentic and more commercialized than independent/underground art
I have to agree with mykectown. Hip hop just simply grew. It's now on tv commercials, played at sporting events, etc
Hah, I actually wrote a paper on authenticity within hip/hop last semester, will be especially interesting for me to hear this debate.
This is one of the many reasons why I subscribed to this channel. These debates can be intense! Valid points are were made on both sides of Ken and Myke's argument though.
"Boys tell stories bout the man...say I never struggled wasnt hungry ..yeah I got it nigga...but I can turn your boy into the man...there aint really much out here thats popping off without us nigga" - Drake
This is like a super tame version of the lil b review
I love these discussions. It is a real conversation and it isn't edited or presented in a "professional" way. I appreciate that you guys post these videos.
26:05
Myke: "That wasn't hostile..."
*5 SECONDS LATER*
*ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE*
It's a weird thing to think about, rappers not needing to be authentic. Feefo had it right, talk about what you know and it's all good.
Review Yela's new album!!
***** your comments score. The album is nearly perfect, minus the bible thumping song.
***** What criteria did you use to make such a silly assumption?
***** You're a mongoloid. Learn music. It's more blue and classic rock.
24:30 😂😂man myke going off
Dude I fuckin' love Myke lmao
23:52 lol ''hostile environment'' and then they start arguing that they were not arguing lol gotta love Dead End Hip Hop.
24:20 Myke going ham
I kind of feel like another factor that makes a difference is whether or not the rapper portrays his/herself as a "personality" or simply just a rapper,if that makes any sense.
I'm a younger kid, like you're talking about, and I definitely care about authenticity. If I met Kendrick, or J Cole, or Mac, or Bino, or even Tyler and they acted like they didn't even appreciate me as a fan I would be devastated! It is more then "just music" to me it's something that makes me feel like I'm part of a bigger movement or a family, or something like that.
Rick Ross stole an identity and for some reason, people like him.
Of course it counts!!!
To be honest, I agree with all points made in the video. But I think Myke's view & Ken's view go hand in hand. Hip-Hop is more diverse and accepted now because rapping about more delightful and uplifting topics are more culturally accepted now. The kids are growing up differently now (generally in a more positive manner), which allows for such diverse music to be made, most of which is authentic (e.g., Gambino, Kanye, Cudi...), which is why hip-hop has become so diverse. Twenty years ago, hip-hop did not have a huge market because the only people that understood it were mainly middle - lower class black males. Now, there is a more diverse hip-hop crowd because more people can understand it, because they picked up hip-hop through some of the acts I mentioned above, and expanded their hip-hop knowledge from those artists and eventually went back and did more research on this genre of music. Just my opinion though. Great video guys.
The corporate folks at these labels are trying to take the authenticity out of hip hop. That's why you have folks like Drake, Iggy Azalea folks like this being able to survive in hip hop now and thrive. These people would not have survived 10 or 15 years ago. Hell right now Vanilla Ice would be making money, but back then he was shunned because he was faking the funk and pretending.
I think there are a lot of authentic folks in hip hop, but the thing is those people are not at the top making the most money anymore. It's the bubble gum, i'll pretend to be cool, or pretend to be hood with some "pop" appeal. Social Media and Technology is trying to strangle hip hop right now.
Hell Milly Vanilli would survive right now too. That would be a fad now, where one guy or girl raps or sings and it's actually somebody else being the image or the front person for that group. Anything goes now, and it seems to be that if hip hop fans don't stand up and make their voices heard that the 13 to 15 year old White girls will be running hip hop and telling everybody what's hot, cause they'll be the ones making the statements with their parents money. Buying all the downloads and hyping these garbage commercial fake artists up on social media.
Folks have to continue to call out the fakes and inauthentic artists. If everybody gets into this I don't care mode, then hip hop is doomed!
ctown on point
I connect with Kendrick, Logic, Wale, Isaiah Rashad, Lupe, & Kid Cudi a lot. When I listen to Drake talking about running up on people i just bob my head to the beat & try to forget that it's Aubrey rapping.
I think your both right... Hip hop has become more diverse because more people are becoming involved with it, white black rich poor etc, and because of that hip hop is now having more messages and ideas thrown into the mix because of the number of newer influences! So it has changed because of diversification but authenticity has become less important because those messages now don't apply to as high a percentage of hip hop listeners because more of them are in improve situations :)
Interesting discussion! Here's what i think. In my opinion over the years hip hop became part of the pop culture and/or entertainment industry. It's more of a business than it used to be. I'm 33 now and been listening to hip hop for 17 years. To be honest I can't listen to many artists nowadays as most of them are interchangeable and hollow (Waka Flaka, Chief Khief, most Young Money/Cash Money artists). I don't expect artists to make hood rap, if that doesn't fit their persona. Be true to yourself! If I listen to an album I want to get to know the artist, what he's like personally and what's his/her perspective on several things is. You must not be personal on the whole album, but at least give me 4-5 songs that distinguish you from the masses and tell me something about your life. It's all about being hip and trendy right now, with no sense of long term effect, longevity and personality. Why do artists talk about bullshit if life on the streets is still so rough and the government messes up, plus the police brutality is off limits? Feels a bit like escapism. Or the artists just don't give a shit and just care for the quick paycheck (see Young Thug or Rich Homie Quan for instance). Personally I just can listen to very few artists that are popular/famous right now, like Kendrick, J Cole, Skyzoo, Big Krit and Logic. Music should entertain yeah, but you shouldn't play a role on your whole album. Hip Hop was a way to express oneself and most of the artists are shitting on the culture. The mainstream scene is full of hypocrites right now, making unsubstantial music which will sound terribly dated in a couple of years.
One key concept is missing in this conversation that could shed a little more light on this subject. The Internet.
Ken be looking like, “yo I will beat this white boy tf up”
Review CHERRY BOMB
If the music is good, it doesn't matter. Quality transcends honesty.
It says in the description that this is an older video from a couple months back hahah. People here debating when this video was made
Myke is correct about it getting more accepted. This is because of the many outlets that artists have now through the internet.
WHOO been waiting for another one of these for ages
Rappers nowadays are like a wax candle. Once the wax is finished, there gone and someone else is going to light another one. But I also think the soul that was in HipHop then doesn't exist anymore, that's why rappers have same topic songs or rap BS they never did.
The new generation of hip-hop is just starting to realize that you don't have to be the stereotype of the previous rap era to be successful, now we have more control over who our music is exposed to, and as a people, we will naturally gravitate to people who are into similar things, people, and styles. Now, when I drop a song, I get comments on the channel from people in the UK, LA, Paris, etc.. who live completely different lives, so street cred where I'm from might mean nothing on the other side of the world where the culture is different. Music brings people from all different backgrounds together through a feeling, something words can't always express, the internet makes it easy to connect with different people so chances are there is a few hundred thousand people in the world that are like you no matter what you talk. All you have to be is you though, I think more people are starting to realize that.
Shit! 17:00 point about hip hop becoming trendy for upper middle class makes so much sense!!!
I've a small question that doesn't really deserve a video but I need the air cleared: Is it disrespectful to address an artist by their birth name when you meet them?
Its kinda of stupid to do so since u dont know them personally, thats why they have a rap name
I realize that but often times artist hate being so closely associated with their craft because fans don't realize that at the end of the day (shout out to feefo) it's just a person behind the music.
I can see both sides of the argument I guess.
I feel like if an artist has a problem with being called their govenment or being called their rap name then they might b faking who they are (not everyone, just in general). but i can also agree with the guy who said its stupid. hes right, you dont know him. but for most artist i dont think they would really care. unless like i said: who they claim to be in rap aint really who they are
potlovingchef14 No need to strawman here, I'm sure we're perfectly capable at seeing both sides.
The thing is I've never heard any artist complain about being called there birth name, but plenty get irritated when they aren't recognized as person first and foremost "First off you don't know Marshall, at all so don't grow partial". People get to overly attached to the artist they think they know.
I don't know many people who you need to "know" before you can address them by there name, and I'd honestly think you'd need to know someone before calling them by something other than their original name.
Or maybe I'm thinking too much in terms of considering them actual people?
***** wouldnt believe how many people show dap, Its fucking great to see so many still people recognize one of the dopest groups to touch the mic
Mike on point. I wonder if statistically the economic condition from generation to generation has gotten better or just moved in a straight line. For those that improve from one generation to the next another declines or stays the same.
One of the best deeh convo
Man, classic dead end turn up. I kinda missed that lol... Oh boy.
For me I dont like to be lied to by people in life or when listening to music. Doesnt really bother me if they're some kinda gangster all the time and I think writing from the perspective of someone else is good but that would lead to a song from a certain perspective rather than a whole career based off a certain perspective (like Rick Ross or something).
that escalated rather slowly
I see where both sides are coming from. The thing is that hip hop used to be about expressing emotion and getting your words out. Then it became about making money. Due to the ease of money you can attain, more people started becoming rappers. Yes, that's annoying, but what that did do is show people that anyone can become a rapper whether you're Black or White or Asian or regardless of where you grew up.
Yes, life still sucks, but hip hop is now an outlet for a lot of kids and an argument can be made that things are better for this generation. The reason it is better is because kids now see that they can be profitable at making music rather than running drugs or being in a gang. No, those things haven't vanished from society, but now another option is more easily available now than it used to be. I can record a song on my laptop, put it online and be famous the next week. That was impossible 20+ years ago.
Bruh.... this conversation got real so fast! Myke C Town went OFF!!!!
come here sophie!
I'm with Myke on this one. The music isn't indicative of social growth. The music just grew a larger fan base, which caused more perspectives to be included.
i personally feel as though authenticity should matter in hip hop. reason, when u have young kids looking up to u and think it is ok for them to do it and get away, and think these are true stories. it gets corny to hear a rapper rap about ding drugs, but never used drugs. be yourself...point blank period.