It has to do with the 3 body mass parameter. For the sun and a gas giant, this number is pretty large, on the order of a ten thousandth. For earth and moon it is around about a hundredth. For Pluto and Charon about a tenth. For the sun and a small rocky planet like Mercury, Venus, earth or Mars? On the order of a millionth. So the pathways leading from the Lagrange points are much less dramatic. See hopsblog-hop.blogspot.com/2015/06/mass-parameter-and-itn.html I am a little surprised to see Fraser Cain acknowledge the ITN between earth and Mars would take millennia.
Pre-assembled modules could be sent to the top of space elevators, then shipped through the Interplanetary Transport Network to finally be assembled as stations, observatories or even colonies in places far from Earth in the solar system. The whole point is to make it as economical and feasible as possible.
Sergio Botero i still dont understand how space elevators could work on earth, though. one good supercell thunderstorm or airliner attack could break it. on the moon or even mars i would say much more feasible due to less atmosphere.
Right, not to mention the thousand of space debris object flying around at thousand of miles per hour. We'll figure out how to solve those problems I guess...
+Kurt Reber +Sergio Botero Any space elevator that can withstand the stresses involved in connecting Earth's surface with a station in GEO won't even notice a T-storm; even a crashing airplane likely won't be enough to do real damage. Still, the concern is valid, because any failures would be devastating to the surrounding area: reaching~40,000 km up, a falling elevator puts a lot of the Earth in potential danger! Mars would be easier, but I don't like one on Mars unless we somehow boost Phobos' orbit. While a space elevator might be able to handle a crashing plane, a million-ton asteroid at orbital velocity is a different animal entirely! Since Phobos currently orbits below the altitude that a space elevator on Mars would have to reach in order to work (and is only getting closer), we really can't have both those objects in the same space at the same time, now can we? ^_^
The last time someone wanted to build an intergalactic super highway it did not end so well for Earth. Everyone grab your towels and stick out your thumbs!
The image depicting the transport network as tubes and a trajectory as a ribbon on the surface is neat, but it loses the time component by depicting the planets as stationary. Perhaps a visualization with the opacity of the planet being set by the amount of gravitational interaction with the craft could be done?
Accurate 2d visualizations are really really hard because you need to display at least 6 dimensions of data (3 spatial, time, and a gravity quaternion). The famous illustration got around that by just showing the chosen path as a ribbon, equivalent paths as a tube, and the planets in representative positions. Having an accurate visualization in the same style would be very cool.
It's really tough. Dr. Lo actually created a program that runs calculations to find paths along the ITN. I don't know of any programs that do it. Even Kerbal Space Program avoids Lagrange points because they're hard to calculate.
Fraser Cain Do we even have enough information to run simulations to say, a year or two forwards, let alone a decade or two out? Throwing enough processing power to calculate 5 year gravity gradients for the system and you might be able to use the resources for other things before recalculating it every few years KSP is alternates between a rough approximation and just running things on rails in order to make the simulation run quickly.
Are there interstellar Lagrange points or is the distance too great? You would need a generation ship to get to Mars so I don't see what advantage this mode of transport has.
I had a thought about using massive space stations orbiting the sun in a configuration that will intersect the orbits of the Earth and Mars. The stations would have a permanent population, education system and industrial infrastructure. People, material and manufactured products could be uploaded and downloaded when the station is close to either planet. Is this feasible?
You wouldn't be able to do that without fuel, but with a little fuel you could have a ferry that goes back and forth from Earth to Mars every few years.
1:10 Actually, the hohmann transfer isn't a measure of energy, but a maneuver to move between circular orbits of different altitudes around the same point, and in the same plane. It's the most efficient in certain ideal systems, but in real space there are objects you can steal energy from using gravitational assist, etc. You can't merely use a hohmann transfer to get from "orbiting the Earth" to an orbit that "matches Mars" because these aren't orbiting the same point (Earth's center for the former, Sun's center for the latter).
He never said hohmann was an energy measure. He said you would use less energy that the required to accomplish the maneuver (a maneuver you'd use to get an encounter with the body you intend to travel to). Maybe you're so worried about finding anything to nitpick that you're no longer paying attention to what's being said.
Damian Reloaded He said "the absolute minimum *energy* needed to make that transfer *is known as* the hohmann transfer orbit." He said that wrong. I know what he meant. I posted my comment so people won't get confused by the mistaken wording. Not to challenge Fraser's knowledge of space science. And I'm sorry, but it's not knit picking to say you can't use a hohmann transfer to get from Earth orbit to the orbit of Mars. They don't have the same orbital center. That's important.
He meant the absolute minimum energy *route*. It's clarified a few seconds later when he says "only a fraction of the energy that you'd use with the traditional hohman transfer".
Damian Reloaded Right. That was the first of three separate points I made: (1) The hohmann transfer isn't a measure of energy. (2) Other maneuvers can cost less energy. (3) One hohmann transfer can't park you in a Mars orbit from an Earth orbit. These three things were confusingly implied at one point in the video. Even if (1) and (2) were clarified later on, it still makes sense for me to point this out to help viewers who might have got confused at that point. There's no need for you to accuse me of not paying attention. Don't be a dick.
It probably still won't be able to see Oort Cloud objects, they're just so dim and far away. I'm not sure it'll be the best tool for looking at Uranus.
A well designed Von Neumann probe would be a great thing to send on a super la grange path through out the stars with a goal of spreading life to various primordial planets.
I don't know of any sci fi books that use it. It's so slow, it's not really that useful for zipping from world to world, which interesting sci fi requires.
Do equate questioning the practicality of the ITN with saying the Lagrange points don't exist? If so, let me clear up your confusion. For traveling beyond the earth moon neighborhood (to Mars, for example), the ITN is over hyped. Does that mean Lagrange points don't exist? No. Lagrange points exist and the ITN is pretty useless for interplanetary travel.
You mentioned the timetables for jupiter/Saturn and for earth/mars. Further research told me, that there is a transfer L2 Luna-earth to L2 sun earth about ones a month. I there a source where I can look up all the timetables?
Add in tether/skyhook arrangements, solar sails, magnetic brakes, and atmosphere/heat shield brakes, and you've got almost the whole solar system at your fingertips.
While Lagrange points are low energy points which offer minimal station-keeping, they are also magnets for stray space junk and asteroids, comets for the same reason. That's the origin of the Trojan and Greek asteroids in Jupiter's L4 and L5 points.
Nice! I sail with a club once or twice a month right now. My wife and I are saving our money because one day we'd like to get our own boat and sail to the South Pacific and New Zealand. Something big enough to be comfortable but small enough for two of us to manage and not break the bank. I hope you have lots of fun come spring!
how would a densely used ITN ultimately degrade interplanetary gravitation. satellites and space stations are infinitesimally massive compared to planets and moons, but, over time would degrade orbits
If you used them too much, I guess you'd start to steal too much energy from orbits, but I'm sure it's an incomprehensible amount of energy to actually do that.
Hey Fraser if you don't mind I have 2 questions for you. 1. I'm referencing this question to your video on 'What we will never see'. Are there any other hypothetical sources in which to peer through to see or have data on before the Big Bang, cosmic/particle horizon, black holes event horizons besides gravitational waves or neutrinos? 2. What question in science would you personally love to know and perhaps have data on?
1. Not that I'm aware of. Everything else is EM radiation, which didn't get going until the Ionization Period, 2. Of course, I want to know if there are aliens.
what if we could change jupiter to earth's orbit around the sun and put earth, venus, mars and mercury orbiting jupiter as moons? would it allow us to have 4 worlds inside the habitable zone?
You know what this would be useful for? Transporting fuel. Since you wouldn't have to load up on fuel you would make the transportation less costly. Just use automated ships to do it, and presto, a low cost fuel supply chain within the solar system.
I think the better analogy would be public transport. It is way cheaper, than using a car in a way it is a more elegant solution, but you have to take the schedule into account. So the waiting periods can prolong your trip substantially.
given buffer limits and the speed of light, having stationary objects could create the possibility of an interplanetary internet. stationary objects could also be used as refracting telescopes, vastly increasing telescopic resolution
If you mean in the same practical sense as gravitational Lagrange points, then no. Very few cosmological bodies in the solar system have measurable magnetospheres. Additionally, the Earth's magnetic field is weaker than a refrigerator magnet, so anything massive enough reach LEO would be too massive not to take geologic timescales to reach its destination from there. That being said however, the solar wind stretches the field lines of Jupiter's magnetosphere nearly as far as the orbit of Saturn. Theoretically, if the two planets lined up, nano-satellites like the ones proposed by Breakthrough Starshot could surf along Jupiter's magnetic field lines, and with a bit of an extra push at the point of bow shock, reach Saturn.
This phenomenon could predict that all life in the solar system, if discovered would be interrelated, depending on cells that could survive being blasted away by asteroid strike, freeze dried in a vacuum for thousands of years then crashing into another world and reanimating. If it's at all possible it would have happened.
This always seems to happen. I do an episode, everyone has a bunch of questions, which means more videos. Then we move on to something else. Remember when it was all about Hawking Radiation?
Send probes equipt with a large amount of optical filtration medium into the Lagrange points of Jupiter and Saturn. When anyone else in the galaxy takes note of the transient wobble effect from one of our gas giants passing between their perspective and our star, perhaps a miniscule artificial change in the observable light spectrum would happen in time for them to notice.
There's a cool idea out there that you could actually hide our planets from other star systems by compensating for the light change with artificial light. It's not exactly feasible, but possible.
Well depends how you see it tag me in your next Q and A Cain so I know you defo respond I go through loads pal but back to my point no air resistance and friction in space hence why the earth doesn't slow down as the actor/scientist Neill degrees Tyson would say??
Nope. I believe in private enterprise class ships and craft that use brute force to physically reach the intended destination. We ain't got all of 100 years or more, either way it ain't useful unless you can create an economy, jobs, technology expansions etc
Do you think we can convince Trump to build a Casino or Hotel on the moon?.. Maybe get Elon involved so he can test his mars habitats..?.. It'll probably be a big failure and a gaudy monstrosity, but it might be the only way to get the ball rolling...?
It's a huge, huge surprise that it takes so much longer to go from Earth to Mars than from Jupiter to Saturn! 😮
It has to do with the 3 body mass parameter. For the sun and a gas giant, this number is pretty large, on the order of a ten thousandth. For earth and moon it is around about a hundredth. For Pluto and Charon about a tenth.
For the sun and a small rocky planet like Mercury, Venus, earth or Mars? On the order of a millionth. So the pathways leading from the Lagrange points are much less dramatic. See hopsblog-hop.blogspot.com/2015/06/mass-parameter-and-itn.html
I am a little surprised to see Fraser Cain acknowledge the ITN between earth and Mars would take millennia.
Yeah we gotta burn gas to get there quick... Its like just floating along on the ocean to the currents...
Pre-assembled modules could be sent to the top of space elevators, then shipped through the Interplanetary Transport Network to finally be assembled as stations, observatories or even colonies in places far from Earth in the solar system. The whole point is to make it as economical and feasible as possible.
Sergio Botero i still dont understand how space elevators could work on earth, though. one good supercell thunderstorm or airliner attack could break it. on the moon or even mars i would say much more feasible due to less atmosphere.
Right, not to mention the thousand of space debris object flying around at thousand of miles per hour. We'll figure out how to solve those problems I guess...
+Kurt Reber +Sergio Botero Any space elevator that can withstand the stresses involved in connecting Earth's surface with a station in GEO won't even notice a T-storm; even a crashing airplane likely won't be enough to do real damage. Still, the concern is valid, because any failures would be devastating to the surrounding area: reaching~40,000 km up, a falling elevator puts a lot of the Earth in potential danger!
Mars would be easier, but I don't like one on Mars unless we somehow boost Phobos' orbit. While a space elevator might be able to handle a crashing plane, a million-ton asteroid at orbital velocity is a different animal entirely! Since Phobos currently orbits below the altitude that a space elevator on Mars would have to reach in order to work (and is only getting closer), we really can't have both those objects in the same space at the same time, now can we? ^_^
The last time someone wanted to build an intergalactic super highway it did not end so well for Earth. Everyone grab your towels and stick out your thumbs!
And whatever you do, don't panic!
My favourite scifi story in all the media forms, book, radio, TV and film.
I for once welcome our vogon overlords
I was listening to this in my truck with the sound up a bit to loud and heard this what is the sound Fraser makes at 5:37. HILARIOUS..
Hey, can you make a video on what are the ideas on creating a worm hole....please
I'll be complaining about Lagrange Points taking too long in space just like I complain about traffic lights taking too long on earth.
10,000 years would make anyone complain.
That would make anyone's commute a living hell XD
Keith H "Ugh! COULD THIS PLANET ORBIT ANY SLOWER?!"
James Craver That should go along with the Space Madness episode Fraser did.
This is perfect for moving large heavy object from planet to planet.
Is there a good program for visualizing the gravitational interactions?
The image depicting the transport network as tubes and a trajectory as a ribbon on the surface is neat, but it loses the time component by depicting the planets as stationary. Perhaps a visualization with the opacity of the planet being set by the amount of gravitational interaction with the craft could be done?
Robert Szasz yes! i would love to see a good visualization. also, im confused about how there could be one right behind the earth relative to the sun
Accurate 2d visualizations are really really hard because you need to display at least 6 dimensions of data (3 spatial, time, and a gravity quaternion).
The famous illustration got around that by just showing the chosen path as a ribbon, equivalent paths as a tube, and the planets in representative positions. Having an accurate visualization in the same style would be very cool.
It's really tough. Dr. Lo actually created a program that runs calculations to find paths along the ITN. I don't know of any programs that do it. Even Kerbal Space Program avoids Lagrange points because they're hard to calculate.
Fraser Cain Do we even have enough information to run simulations to say, a year or two forwards, let alone a decade or two out?
Throwing enough processing power to calculate 5 year gravity gradients for the system and you might be able to use the resources for other things before recalculating it every few years
KSP is alternates between a rough approximation and just running things on rails in order to make the simulation run quickly.
are ther lagrange points between stars(or even galaxys)? and could we use it(if we had the time)
There are, but they're really hard to get to.
Are there interstellar Lagrange points or is the distance too great?
You would need a generation ship to get to Mars so I don't see what advantage this mode of transport has.
I had a thought about using massive space stations orbiting the sun in a configuration that will intersect the orbits of the Earth and Mars. The stations would have a permanent population, education system and industrial infrastructure. People, material and manufactured products could be uploaded and downloaded when the station is close to either planet. Is this feasible?
You wouldn't be able to do that without fuel, but with a little fuel you could have a ferry that goes back and forth from Earth to Mars every few years.
1:10 Actually, the hohmann transfer isn't a measure of energy, but a maneuver to move between circular orbits of different altitudes around the same point, and in the same plane. It's the most efficient in certain ideal systems, but in real space there are objects you can steal energy from using gravitational assist, etc. You can't merely use a hohmann transfer to get from "orbiting the Earth" to an orbit that "matches Mars" because these aren't orbiting the same point (Earth's center for the former, Sun's center for the latter).
He never said hohmann was an energy measure. He said you would use less energy that the required to accomplish the maneuver (a maneuver you'd use to get an encounter with the body you intend to travel to). Maybe you're so worried about finding anything to nitpick that you're no longer paying attention to what's being said.
Damian Reloaded He said "the absolute minimum *energy* needed to make that transfer *is known as* the hohmann transfer orbit." He said that wrong. I know what he meant. I posted my comment so people won't get confused by the mistaken wording. Not to challenge Fraser's knowledge of space science. And I'm sorry, but it's not knit picking to say you can't use a hohmann transfer to get from Earth orbit to the orbit of Mars. They don't have the same orbital center. That's important.
He meant the absolute minimum energy *route*. It's clarified a few seconds later when he says "only a fraction of the energy that you'd use with the traditional hohman transfer".
Damian Reloaded Right. That was the first of three separate points I made:
(1) The hohmann transfer isn't a measure of energy.
(2) Other maneuvers can cost less energy.
(3) One hohmann transfer can't park you in a Mars orbit from an Earth orbit.
These three things were confusingly implied at one point in the video. Even if (1) and (2) were clarified later on, it still makes sense for me to point this out to help viewers who might have got confused at that point.
There's no need for you to accuse me of not paying attention. Don't be a dick.
Mars Gravity is like 60% less then the Earths does that mean if i fall off a cliff on Mars i will take less damage??
I'd probably have you roll 2 d10s less in fall damage to account for damage, if that helps ease your qualms.
Thats actually a great question. Fraser?
Yes of course! Look at Apollo Moonwalkers how they could bounce off the ground to upright again when the fell.
Yeah, and MDCPBB's answer was fantastic. With the lower air pressure, you can get going much faster and hit way harder.
Haha soo you still die
*How can an average person look into the Low Energy Transfers for themselves?* What software is available?
will the James Webb Telescope be able to see Oort Cloud objects, or analyze Uranus' atmosphere?
It probably still won't be able to see Oort Cloud objects, they're just so dim and far away. I'm not sure it'll be the best tool for looking at Uranus.
What JWST can do with Uranus atmosphere: jwst.nasa.gov/resources/JWST-GiantPlanets.pdf
And it's rings: jwst.nasa.gov/resources/JWST-Rings.pdf
A well designed Von Neumann probe would be a great thing to send on a super la grange path through out the stars with a goal of spreading life to various primordial planets.
Fraser......what would happen if you stuck your hand in to the beam of the LHC at the point of and during a particle collision?????
sweet, thanks
Here's the 60 Symbols video: ua-cam.com/video/_NMqPT6oKJ8/v-deo.html
Are there any sci fi books that involve the ITN?
Björn Larsson Are you saying Lagrange points don't exist?
I don't know of any sci fi books that use it. It's so slow, it's not really that useful for zipping from world to world, which interesting sci fi requires.
Björn Larsson Please take the question of ITN's reality to another thread. The question I asked is about something else.
Do equate questioning the practicality of the ITN with saying the Lagrange points don't exist?
If so, let me clear up your confusion. For traveling beyond the earth moon neighborhood (to Mars, for example), the ITN is over hyped.
Does that mean Lagrange points don't exist? No. Lagrange points exist and the ITN is pretty useless for interplanetary travel.
You mentioned the timetables for jupiter/Saturn and for earth/mars. Further research told me, that there is a transfer L2 Luna-earth to L2 sun earth about ones a month. I there a source where I can look up all the timetables?
I've never seen a place that provides all the timetables.
Add in tether/skyhook arrangements, solar sails, magnetic brakes, and atmosphere/heat shield brakes, and you've got almost the whole solar system at your fingertips.
While Lagrange points are low energy points which offer minimal station-keeping, they are also magnets for stray space junk and asteroids, comets for the same reason. That's the origin of the Trojan and Greek asteroids in Jupiter's L4 and L5 points.
It depends on the point. L1/L2/L3 aren't stable, while L4 and 5 are.
Hey Fraser, are you really a sailor?
Sailing is my favorite hobby!
Yup, I've got a MacGregor 26D sitting in my driveway right now, waiting for Spring. :-)
Nice! I sail with a club once or twice a month right now.
My wife and I are saving our money because one day we'd like to get our own boat and sail to the South Pacific and New Zealand. Something big enough to be comfortable but small enough for two of us to manage and not break the bank.
I hope you have lots of fun come spring!
how would a densely used ITN ultimately degrade interplanetary gravitation. satellites and space stations are infinitesimally massive compared to planets and moons, but, over time would degrade orbits
If you used them too much, I guess you'd start to steal too much energy from orbits, but I'm sure it's an incomprehensible amount of energy to actually do that.
Can we figure out where the legrange point is from say Jupiter to planet 9?
Hey Fraser if you don't mind I have 2 questions for you. 1. I'm referencing this question to your video on 'What we will never see'. Are there any other hypothetical sources in which to peer through to see or have data on before the Big Bang, cosmic/particle horizon, black holes event horizons besides gravitational waves or neutrinos? 2. What question in science would you personally love to know and perhaps have data on?
1. Not that I'm aware of. Everything else is EM radiation, which didn't get going until the Ionization Period, 2. Of course, I want to know if there are aliens.
Thank you kind sir.
what if we could change jupiter to earth's orbit around the sun and put earth, venus, mars and mercury orbiting jupiter as moons? would it allow us to have 4 worlds inside the habitable zone?
Sure, that would probably be stable. As long as you're far enough away from Jupiter's radiation field.
Fraser Cain awesome
You know what this would be useful for? Transporting fuel. Since you wouldn't have to load up on fuel you would make the transportation less costly. Just use automated ships to do it, and presto, a low cost fuel supply chain within the solar system.
Yay KSP reference!
I sneak them in whenever I can. :-)
I think the better analogy would be public transport. It is way cheaper, than using a car in a way it is a more elegant solution, but you have to take the schedule into account. So the waiting periods can prolong your trip substantially.
When will 6:13 happen?
given buffer limits and the speed of light, having stationary objects could create the possibility of an interplanetary internet. stationary objects could also be used as refracting telescopes, vastly increasing telescopic resolution
do electric/magnetic fields Lagrange points exist?
If you mean in the same practical sense as gravitational Lagrange points, then no. Very few cosmological bodies in the solar system have measurable magnetospheres. Additionally, the Earth's magnetic field is weaker than a refrigerator magnet, so anything massive enough reach LEO would be too massive not to take geologic timescales to reach its destination from there.
That being said however, the solar wind stretches the field lines of Jupiter's magnetosphere nearly as far as the orbit of Saturn. Theoretically, if the two planets lined up, nano-satellites like the ones proposed by Breakthrough Starshot could surf along Jupiter's magnetic field lines, and with a bit of an extra push at the point of bow shock, reach Saturn.
The gravity between central and orbiting bodies don't balance at *any* of the Lagrange points. Not even L1.
Has anyone tried using the Interplanetary Transport Network in Kerbal Space Program? Or has that not been programmed into the game?
Kerbal doesn't support Lagrange points, so it would be tough.
The problem is what if the first stage crashes and what happens to the Passenger Stage
This phenomenon could predict that all life in the solar system, if discovered would be interrelated, depending on cells that could survive being blasted away by asteroid strike, freeze dried in a vacuum for thousands of years then crashing into another world and reanimating. If it's at all possible it would have happened.
So that's why the aliens are not here yet, they are stuck in transit because they bought the cheap tickets for the slow train :-)
Good video, thanks.
Thanks!
You really love these LaGrange Points haha
This always seems to happen. I do an episode, everyone has a bunch of questions, which means more videos. Then we move on to something else. Remember when it was all about Hawking Radiation?
Why don't we use this concept to get back to the moon. Or do they already want to use it for missions? (ESA, China, etc. )
They have used it to go to the Moon. A Japanese spacecraft failed to reach lunar orbit, but they were able to use the ITN to get there... slowly.
Yup, the Japanese Hiten spacecraft used it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiten
0:18 That fella who asked you not long ago how you do everything in one take should listen more closely :-)
WOW, the ultimate push cart track.
Send probes equipt with a large amount of optical filtration medium into the Lagrange points of Jupiter and Saturn. When anyone else in the galaxy takes note of the transient wobble effect from one of our gas giants passing between their perspective and our star, perhaps a miniscule artificial change in the observable light spectrum would happen in time for them to notice.
There's a cool idea out there that you could actually hide our planets from other star systems by compensating for the light change with artificial light. It's not exactly feasible, but possible.
Nice reference to Doom II but I suppose I was the only one who got your Phobos joke
Just you and John Carmack
This is so cool
+Bost Custom Music Writing yup, it's a cool idea
So if we had fusion rockets, could we do Lagrange points between start systems
Big Friendly Rocket
Right, that's the term.
Fraser Cain I knew it!
Fraser Cain thats more of a CANADIAN term
Destination: friend zone
With the words "Don't Panic!" written on it in big friendly letters :-)
Is this like the slingshot theory we see on some sci-fi shows?
Are there still giant cybernetic spiders on Phobos?
I believe we should dedicate our resources in developing an actual warp drive. Everything else will become obsolete then.
NASA is working on trying to figure out the science of a warp drive. Let's hope they're successful.
there will always be a need for low energy transport in long-term sustainablity
Well depends how you see it tag me in your next Q and A Cain so I know you defo respond I go through loads pal but back to my point no air resistance and friction in space hence why the earth doesn't slow down as the actor/scientist Neill degrees Tyson would say??
Sorry, I don't understand your question.
Have you seen the super moon?
We were clouded out here.
Fraser Cain hahaha lol
It's an annoying part about living in a temperate rainforest. We tend to miss some of the interesting astronomical events.
it's got to be quicker than Atlanta traffic.
+Bost Custom Music Writing maybe a little bit
Nope. I believe in private enterprise class ships and craft that use brute force to physically reach the intended destination. We ain't got all of 100 years or more, either way it ain't useful unless you can create an economy, jobs, technology expansions etc
colonizing mars will be cool until phobos crashes into it
That'll be a bad day.
BFR? More like big fucking rocket
Yes, that's its actual name.
Big Falcon Rocket, please!
It should be FBR to make that work.
Doesn't a 10,000 year Earth -Mars transit make this idea a non-starter?
Nice Doom reference.
aka _"The scenic route"_
Exactly.
Was that a Doom reference?
YAY DOOM REFERENCE
YAAAY
humans may die from all that wait, using that method we would have to find a faster way using that method.
Yeah, it only works for some trips. Not others.
sucks, could really help, if we figure it out.. hopefully Nasa or SpaceX does.
YO FRASER!!!! I must know if you are a Star Trek or a Star Wars fan, or both?Different strokes for different folks ehhh?
Personally, I preferred Star Trek back in the day. Now, I don't really have a preference. I am looking forward to the new TV show, though.
I sure hope it'll be awesome but again who knows just have to wait. Thank you again Commander Cain!!
Why nasa cancelled their mission of going back to the moon?
BFR = Big Fuckin' Rocket.
Ahahaha nice Doom reference
Arrgh. The Lagrange points of earth and Mars don't come close to over lapping. You are doing a disservice spreading misinformation.
Haha, DOOM!
Nice catch.
Do you think we can convince Trump to build a Casino or Hotel on the moon?.. Maybe get Elon involved so he can test his mars habitats..?..
It'll probably be a big failure and a gaudy monstrosity, but it might be the only way to get the ball rolling...?
it might me the only way now.. I think people might lose interest in space if it has the TRUMP name on it.
funny to think about..
FPVREVIEWS Maybe we could convince him to move the White House there?
gonna need that heavy lift rocket..