I love the idea that Thogdad thinks you were annoyed about him not coming to your wedding haha. The biggest and happiest day of your life he thinks you'd be stood at the altar going "If only Thogdad were here to see this"
It’s weird because it used to be that thogden would do something stupid or annoying and his dad would be the one in the right or fixing things, but now the roles have reversed and I’m not sure what thogden can do to fix his dads response, it crossed the line by a mile
@@Football_Advanced Unless on the unlikely chance they both agree with one another but are publicly presenting a good cop-bad cop response to take the heat off Theo.
I SWEAR TO GOD WHY ARE ALL THESE COMMENTS GIVING STICK TO THOGDAD HES JUST STANDING UP FOR HIS SON IF YOU DONT LIKE HIM THEN STOP CALLING HIM A TORY FOR ONE COMMENT
Ironically, how Thogdad responded is exactly what Viz was trying to disprove. He tried to explain why they were hated and attempted to defend them and then he goes and acts in a way which is why people can hate them.
Cracking vid again Liam. Honestly, I think you let Theo off lightly in the video but you made a very good and well rounded video. For Thogdad to say those things to you and your family is downright disgusting. Proper below the belt stuff and he should be held accountably for this
Remember a couple of years ago when Theo was live streaming and mentioned Arsenal, and his dad interjected slagging off Robbie from AFTV? Turns out Theo and Robbie were in discussions about doing a colab but the talks broke down. Thogdad not only decided to make this public in a way in which Theo couldn't prevent it nor ignore it but he also claimed Robbie wanted payment to appear with Theo. Robbie was asked about this on Happy Hour and claimed in the end he didn't have time to appear due to his own work but refuted that he wanted payment, which was backed up by others who stated Robbie has never asked about payment. So thanks to his dad, Theo was made to look like a spoilt prat and take the flak. Not a fan of Thogdon but I do have sympathy for him - his biggest sycophant and drawback is his own dad.
That man is 50 or 60 and he is essentially acting like a 15 year old girl who just got heartbroken because she cheated on her boyfriend 5 times and blaming him for her cheating, great video!
@@ianpilkington2037 nah its bad but logan or jake Paul I forget which one got to contine after the Japanese suicide forrest video and this is nowhere near that bad
Well this is very sad to see, thogdad has always seemed like a nice man and lots of people who dislike thogden always give props to steve "thogdad" as a nice genuine guy but to see this throws that out the window imo, your video was very fair and impartial and for him to react like this is completely out of order thogdans father or not you don't react this way, but i think we can all agree thogdan included your video was great and very fair to him, hopefully thogdad can see this for what it is and publicly apologise.
He's a tory, they don't apologize for anything. Because they are all so delusional & don't believe they do anything wrong. For them to admit wrongdoing is to destroy their raison d'etre.
I fucking love how calmly both Liam and Theo have handled this. Then there’s just thogdad in his own world trying desperately too get readers on his publication
you were so unbiased on this presentation, in no way was it a hit piece, it was a mini doc where you explained the situation. I watch theo's videos and I quite liked both theo and Stephen as personalities. They have gone right down in my estimations after this, i don't think i'll be watching any vlogs including 'thogdad' in any time soon, hope you're doing okay Liam, the daughter thing was a low blow, keep up the good work, your new style of videos are brilliant.
Well done Liam, someone had to be the bigger man and you responded in the best way possible. Big ups to you and I'm intrigued to see if he responds to this further.
I can see how Thogdad has seen it, but you’ve cleared up multiple times that it’s without ill-meanings. You’ve handled this well and Thogdad has acted out of proportion. Even belittling you by effectively calling you a smaller youtuber is bad and yet you didn’t acknowledge that in this video, which is really professional. Great vid once again…
Wow just wow, really wasn't expecting that from Thogdad of all people, wasn't he supposed to be the more "level headed" one? This is almost as embarrassing as the Reyna parents vs Gregg Berhalter fiasco in the States. Just further proof that parents can be their kids worst enemy without even trying.
Is that a crime to be a Tory? In England, there has ALWAYS been far more NATURAL Tories than Labour voters. Do some basic research and that will soon become apparent.,
Lost all my respect for thogdad. I know you're trying to be impartial, but both Thogden and thogdad come across as so arrogant as of late and this has really changed my view on them for the worse. No one is immune to criticism
well it looks Thogden thought it was a good video and was gonna use it to learn from. He then explained the situation with his dad, so Thogden seems a decent guy.
The reason I unsubscribed from Thogden was when they did a video about how Stuntpegg pulled out of doing a video with them - when she was publicly talking about her struggles with mental health at the time. Totally unnecessary and despite them claiming they had nothing against her, they still chose to make an entire video about it. A really poor decision and totally lacking in any empathy. Seems unreal people capable to throwing someone under the bus like that would react like this.
You've addressed the situation perfectly. It's a real shame that this is, maybe not the true side, but a prominent side of Thogdad - not taking the time to appreciate criticism and disregarding it as "trolling". Maybe he's truly in a dark place in the moment, maybe he's not and is intentionally trying to gather hate. We truly don't know, but again you've addressed in the best way possible. Let's hope he does the right thing and apologise, because this can be forgiven and you've given him a lot of opportunities to reconcile, so the option is absolutely not off the table. All the best to you!
Really winds me up that Theo had used the term depression so lightly at the end there, depression doesn’t come over the course of a few days, being upset does, you don’t just get depressed by the click of a finger
You should be so proud of yourself. You stood up to a bully in a respectful but firm way. You didn't drag yourself down to his level, but you also didn't let him bully you. You put those messagees into the publi domain and we can all work out how vile they are. p.s. i consider the quality of your videos to be far superior to others out there. That to me is the measure of success
You seem like the bigger man in this situation Liam, and the way thogdad handled this is shocking. Especially the contrast with his son's response, and it makes things all the more embarrassing with the strange and disgusting comments that he's made. I'm with you all the way.
So we live in times where honest critique is called "hate speech." Good times to be living in. People take shit too far and can't accept any sort of criticism.
Fair play to you for handling this so well, being rational and fair despite Thogdads attempts to goad you into a fight. Such a shame that a grown man feels the need to act this way
What’s insane is Vizeh is famously a very balanced in the kind of videos he makes. He never makes outlandish statements, and tries to put forward both sides on any given topic.
Quite sad to see this get that heated. On the one hand I can understand why Thogdad as a father would just want to protect his son and not want any video to invite more trolling or create more attention into the Thogden hate (as he would view it). On the other hand having watched your video the actual context of the entire thing was balanced and somewhat still also bigging Theo up. I would go as far to say it was a video that was sticking up for Thogden in a non-biased way. Overall I think responses in the virtual world are just never a good idea. Things said at the heat of the moment from behind a screen. These sorts of things do much better face to face and tend to get sorted more and hopefully there will be an opportunity for that
@@TubbyBrewster11 I'd completely disagree, remember the tabloids can make anyone believe anything. People will still vote for them even if they have no pension left because they may say "Oh I just don't like Starmer" or "Johnny foreigner and the boats" etc many Tory voters are incredibly stubborn when it comes to voting any other party
Him bringing your 1 year old daughter into this was incredibly low. Seemed like a nice bloke and used to respect him. Now he has shown his true colours.
Sending love your way Liam. Incredible how someone as young as you are can handle this situation so much more mature than - what one should expect - a 50/60 year old man with objectively much more life experience. I in no way understand where his reaction came from. If he‘s depressed - so be it, everyone can be and I hope he seeks and receives the help that he needs. Just, if this is true, don‘t let it out on someone that OBJECTIVELY made an unbiased mini-doc about why a certain content creator is one of/if not the most hated in this football YT industry. If anything you were trying to help Thogden. Shine some light on why a huge amount of the trolling and hate is just nonsense and stems from pure vileness. He himself even acknowledged that with his comments on your video. You were - and I think EVERYONE here will state the same - in some way whilst just stating the whole case and shining a light on the topic also - with or without intent - really helping clear the air on Thogden‘s hate and maybe promote some change surrounding his internet persona. And I think Thogden is thankful for that - hence his response. And his father, as a caring parent, should be thankful for that as well. Where this reaction now stems from is a mystery and it generally just baffles me. Anyways, dont let it get to you. I have not the slightest impression that you have or will but as I said, you never know whats going on behind closed doors - and that applies to every single on of us. Have a great new year brother, enjoy every day with your beautiful family and I have my fingers crossed that this whole situation will be quickly handled in a mature manner on behalf of Stephen/Thogdad. Cheers to you & your fam mate & much love from Berlin ❤ Have and always will love your content brother! ❤
I'm very surprised with how thogdad responded, I'm a fan of him and Theo and it's very disappointing to see a grown man with so much experience act how he has and how disrespectful he was to Vizeh
From a psychological perspective, I think Q3 & Q4 were the main triggers that made him feel necessary to respond in the way he did, and all the rest of the questions is just different ways in which his lashing out manifested. To be fair, looking at messages containing death threats made toward one’s son can be more than capable of causing the level of emotional turbulence we’re witnessing in this video; it does not mean the passive-aggressive patronizing demeanour is justifiable from Thogdad’s end. I think this situation has been poorly handled by him.
Just shows how much of a role model he is to Theo as he’s nothing like Stephen, this is a prime example to when you think you’re bigger then you actually are.
Honestly he and Theo have both outclassed Thogdad here. This never would have been an issue at all if it weren't for his response. At this point Theo would be wise to distance his content from his dad.
I never would of guessed that Thogdad had an evil and twisted side to him where he plays a snowflake victim who is always being "harrassed" by simple criticism and at the same time bullies people who aren't as popular and wealthy as him.
Big ups viz thogdad I don’t get why he’s done this. Fair play to thogden for playing it off. It is really patronising how he acted and it’s quite childish of a man who should obviously know the right and wrongs. Big ups Viz u did the right thing
Just went and watched the original video and came back to this. Thogdad is bang out of order. I honestly struggle to pick anything that you said as offensive or misleading. Thogden responded with class in his message and comment.
He's not doing the right thing, however you have a little bit of history with his son and he was probably worried that he'd have to listen to another 'diss track'. He also clearly didn't watch the video, but is definitely unhappy about how much his son gets trolled and he was trying to protect him, therefore his intentions were good, but he just got caught in the moment and unleashed his worst side. Everyone makes mistakes, he doesn't usually but he made a costly one with that last question
I have to say I watched the original video and you were spot on with everything. I’ve watched Thogdan for a while now and personally noticed a change in his and his dads demeanor in the past year, so in truth I’m not surprised that Thogdad responded the way he did. Your response video is very well done and you have gained a new follower whilst Thogdan sadly has lost one.
Glad I am not the only one. The whole thogden channel was built of him solely supporting his club (Bolton) ever since his Channel took of they have both just become completely different people & honestly from a viewer who used to like the pair that now strongly dislikes them I think it all comes down to greed! Not the fact that it’s growing his platform. Countless times they act fake, countless times they only specify certain scenarios for drama content.
That message you sent to him at the end?? 14:22 why do you try to seem professional and not get someone to check your grammar or how you’ve formed sentences?? “I believe your emotional relationships has blinded your thinking” makes absolutely no sense “seeing things had a hit piece when it is not.” How on earth is someone going to decipher what any of that means? It’s like a foreigner has put something through google translate? How hard is it to write “I believe the grim hatred of your son I displayed on my video has clouded your judgement of my videos intent, you took it as a hit piece when it is far from that.” You’re going to get yourself in trouble if you can’t word sentences together properly when you’re talking about such sensitive subjects
@@nodefense well it’s like imagine you’re the person receiving that message, it’s a serious subject and their reply doesn’t make any sense whatsoever? It screams incompetence and it shows Liam isn’t mature or intelligent enough to be making these kind of videos
Not sure how he’s came to that conclusion in his head to warrant such a disgusting response, unacceptable and if you haven’t received an apology already I don’t think there is any going back from this.
Head up man, you actually made me understand Thogden abit more and like him more because everyone just calls him a cringy melt. His dad on the other hand, scumbag. When people misinterpret this badly and make themselves think they're right or you hurt them this much, I personally have no sympathy for them because they don't even see objective truth. Hopefully Thogden is tied to this at all and he's telling his dad to stop this. Great videos, keep it up and see you in the Premier league next year
Feel a bit bad for Thogden tbh, I've never been a big fan of his content but I'm the same age as him and I'd be mortified if my parents responded like that. Credit to him for giving mature response, it's a shame his dad couldn't do the same
For a man who was a politician and a councillor in a large city, for a party that isn't well liked in metro areas, it absolutely baffles me that he seemingly can't take the slightest criticism. None of this should be new to him. People will have criticised him in the past, people have criticised his son in the past. This just seems like a classic "straw that broke the camels back" situation and he's lashed out
I honestly gotta say I fully support you and it just feels wrong what the dad has said is wrong and that he has done this to you and I recon he barely even knows you and barely even gave a effort to watch a minute of your video and I fully agree with you and I wish you the best
13:25, this probably should have stayed private, I don't think that should be shared on yt. Everything else you've conducted yourself pretty admirably.
Well done you liam. I am astounded by this, how on earth is thig dad reacting in this way, a man much older than yourself. You were respectful and acted maturely, don’t listen to this crap.
I have watched this Burnley kidgo from screeching about Fifa to building his family abroad and then going back to England to raise his daughter, all this before he's 30, and now I'm watching that man being slandered by the "wholesome dad" of football youtube, who turns out is a Tory and supports Putin's Russia (at least before the Ukraine conflict, idk about now) and also love to overreact and fight his son's battles for him, when he couldn't be reacting more contrastingly. These are probably the two strangest character arcs in football youtube, and they're the opposite of each other almost
Thogdad showing his true colours here. This is simply unacceptable for me I completely him understand trying to protect his son but Thogden is a grown man and literally brought in your wife and daughter into this for no good reason. I hope this gets resolved
Thogdad might have made a mountain out of a mole hill and blown it out of proportion, but he didn't really say anything vile about you or your child, I also don't see anything wrong with thogdads last comment at the end, I think it was yourself that made it into something it's not. Just my opinion.
It’s sad he couldn’t act like his son in this situation because how sad do you have to be to send hate to another UA-camr for addressing a situation that has gained publicity for actions from his son
I didn't find any issue with the previous video at all, weren't the biggest fan of Thogden and personally thought Thogdad were perhaps the better of the two, but this has completely changed my view and at least Theo handled the situation far better too. Bit uncalled for from Stephen in regards to the personal comments towards Liam :/
Look at how you handled the aberdeen fans back in 2018 at that moment you were probably one of the most hated youtubers... but the way the 2 games went showed off how 2 very different group of fans can get along and still have banter to this day
I thought he just sounded depressed before I saw Theo mention it. While there is no excusing the overreaction by him, sometimes people at low points say things like this. So hopefully he learns his lesson and gets some help. That's why it might've cut him deeper than it usually would have. Again, no excusing the reaction though You and Theo have been really mature about it
As someone who is subscribed to you both, and fellow UA-camrs such as James Alcott, I have thoroughly enjoyed your videos over the last few years regarding, rankings, kit reviews, match reactions and much more. After watching your video the other evening about Thogden, I can completely see where you are coming from and agree with a few points you made in it regarding maybe rubbing people up the wrong way regarding his attitude towards his work etc. Regardless of the fact you did criticise him a few times in the video, at no point did you target him specifically (a lot could be said for various other football vloggers) and you also defended him at multiple times during the video. Making a video on this topic was always going to bring some flak your way, and reading comments on Twitter, it seems as if you and Thogden are quite civil and have respect for each other. I am however extremely disappointed and surprised at Thogdad’s response to your video, as I believed him to be a nice decent bloke, and this video shows a side of him that most of us people won’t like or relate too. Keep your head up Vizeh, as I don’t believe you have done anything wrong in this situation, and don’t deserve the grilling and insults sent your way. Carry on being the better person, keep on providing great content and your channel will no doubt flourish from that. Ross, Tottenham Hotspur supporter (face palm)
I Literally watched that video about Theo and thought “wow what a well made and great video, hopefully Theo can take something positive from the negatives and appreciate the positives.” And Theo clearly did and fair play to him, but Thogdad has really shown his true colours here, very disappointed in him. Great work though Liam.
That tastes like insane reaching!
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I love the idea that Thogdad thinks you were annoyed about him not coming to your wedding haha. The biggest and happiest day of your life he thinks you'd be stood at the altar going "If only Thogdad were here to see this"
As I said in the video, I do not condone anyone going to Stephen and giving hate. I hope this can be resolved in due course.
Fire forehead bigman 🔥
Who the fuck is Stephen? (I know it's Thogdad it's just a joke calm down maiin)
I hope you two can solve it
Yeah just unfollow both of them at this point no reason to hate
He is acting like a high schooler trying to stir up drama! Classic attention seeking behavior
Honestly thogden seems like he’s handled this quite well, shame that his dad couldn’t do the same
Thogden respect
It’s weird because it used to be that thogden would do something stupid or annoying and his dad would be the one in the right or fixing things, but now the roles have reversed and I’m not sure what thogden can do to fix his dads response, it crossed the line by a mile
@@Football_Advanced Unless on the unlikely chance they both agree with one another but are publicly presenting a good cop-bad cop response to take the heat off Theo.
Emotional attack
I SWEAR TO GOD WHY ARE ALL THESE COMMENTS GIVING STICK TO THOGDAD HES JUST STANDING UP FOR HIS SON IF YOU DONT LIKE HIM THEN STOP CALLING HIM A TORY FOR ONE COMMENT
Ironically, how Thogdad responded is exactly what Viz was trying to disprove. He tried to explain why they were hated and attempted to defend them and then he goes and acts in a way which is why people can hate them.
There is no ‘them’, his actions should be held completely separately from his son
Yes thogden managed to handle the situation good that's how u should handle a situation like this
Didn't expect that Thogdad. Really shows the sort of person he actually is. Sorry about this Liam!
I know 😞
You expected better from a tory?
He's a tory. You shouldn't expect him to act like a reasonable human beingg
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@@lukejones1578 all makes sense now
Cracking vid again Liam. Honestly, I think you let Theo off lightly in the video but you made a very good and well rounded video. For Thogdad to say those things to you and your family is downright disgusting. Proper below the belt stuff and he should be held accountably for this
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The tik tok goat
@HLA_0302 I’m talking about his original video on Theo.
Remember a couple of years ago when Theo was live streaming and mentioned Arsenal, and his dad interjected slagging off Robbie from AFTV? Turns out Theo and Robbie were in discussions about doing a colab but the talks broke down. Thogdad not only decided to make this public in a way in which Theo couldn't prevent it nor ignore it but he also claimed Robbie wanted payment to appear with Theo. Robbie was asked about this on Happy Hour and claimed in the end he didn't have time to appear due to his own work but refuted that he wanted payment, which was backed up by others who stated Robbie has never asked about payment. So thanks to his dad, Theo was made to look like a spoilt prat and take the flak. Not a fan of Thogdon but I do have sympathy for him - his biggest sycophant and drawback is his own dad.
well said
spot on, as a lad I think Theo comes over well in thr media, I just hope for his sale he turns out to be nothing like his dad when he grows up.
That man is 50 or 60 and he is essentially acting like a 15 year old girl who just got heartbroken because she cheated on her boyfriend 5 times and blaming him for her cheating, great video!
Let's be real, he's acting like a normal ignorant 50 year old 😂
More like thogdad lost his viagra pills and he’s snapping at everyone now 😂
who hurt you bro
@@James-hc4jd a girl I thought I was geniunely gonna marry who ended up moving on in 2 days lol
@@larikmustafa2035 you were genuinely going to marry a 15 year old girl?
Feel bad for Thogden, he'll catch some smoke because of this but it's just his dad embarrassing him
Just might cost him his channel
@@ianpilkington2037 nah its bad but logan or jake Paul I forget which one got to contine after the Japanese suicide forrest video and this is nowhere near that bad
@poii Was Logan and yeah, I forgot about that!
I truly don’t believe Theo wants his dad reacting this way, I feel for him.
@@poii6417 yep
This video has completely changed my opinion on Thogdad.
Well this is very sad to see, thogdad has always seemed like a nice man and lots of people who dislike thogden always give props to steve "thogdad" as a nice genuine guy but to see this throws that out the window imo, your video was very fair and impartial and for him to react like this is completely out of order thogdans father or not you don't react this way, but i think we can all agree thogdan included your video was great and very fair to him, hopefully thogdad can see this for what it is and publicly apologise.
The bloke's a tory who has ties to Putin, not a good bloke in the slightest
I know right 😢
Unsubscribe from the pair of them. They’re not deserving of their subscriber base at all.
He's a tory, they don't apologize for anything. Because they are all so delusional & don't believe they do anything wrong. For them to admit wrongdoing is to destroy their raison d'etre.
I fucking love how calmly both Liam and Theo have handled this. Then there’s just thogdad in his own world trying desperately too get readers on his publication
Says the guy who believes people can’t have a gender XD
WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THEO HAS RAN CRYING TO HIS PRICK OF A DAD
@@GyhhsndHdhjdnddn-xb4xci really dont see what that has to do with this. But you do you man
This is literally the best response he could have given nice stuff lad
Big up you, Liam lad being the bigger man
you were so unbiased on this presentation, in no way was it a hit piece, it was a mini doc where you explained the situation. I watch theo's videos and I quite liked both theo and Stephen as personalities. They have gone right down in my estimations after this, i don't think i'll be watching any vlogs including 'thogdad' in any time soon, hope you're doing okay Liam, the daughter thing was a low blow, keep up the good work, your new style of videos are brilliant.
I like the fact that Thogdad is accusing Viz of profiting from someone elses success, whilst he walks around calling himself Thogdad.
Well done Liam, someone had to be the bigger man and you responded in the best way possible. Big ups to you and I'm intrigued to see if he responds to this further.
Any normal person would handle this privately, that's what dms are for. He is airing dirty laundry for views mate, not hard to see 😑
@@user-sp9po5qi9q thogdad needs to be held accountable for his actions
@@user-sp9po5qi9q mate he isn’t milking them for views u can’t even blame Liam for this thogdad has shown his true self in this video
I can see how Thogdad has seen it, but you’ve cleared up multiple times that it’s without ill-meanings. You’ve handled this well and Thogdad has acted out of proportion. Even belittling you by effectively calling you a smaller youtuber is bad and yet you didn’t acknowledge that in this video, which is really professional. Great vid once again…
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Anyone who calls themselves Thogdad is definitely a nonce
Same with a person literally called Alex Maggs 💀
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@@Kyxul i mean that might just be his own name thogdad is not his name.
And we thought Thogdad was alright. Stay strong Vizeh ❤
Social media doesn't always portray the truth, there's always something that goes behind the scenes that most aren't even aware of
Wow just wow, really wasn't expecting that from Thogdad of all people, wasn't he supposed to be the more "level headed" one? This is almost as embarrassing as the Reyna parents vs Gregg Berhalter fiasco in the States. Just further proof that parents can be their kids worst enemy without even trying.
Thogdad, if anything, just destroys Thogden's rep and makes it even worse.
Glad Liam brought up his affiliation with the Tories. No matter how nice he was on the screen I was always skeptical of Thogdad.
Is that a crime to be a Tory? In England, there has ALWAYS been far more NATURAL Tories than Labour voters.
Do some basic research and that will soon become apparent.,
As a Bolton fan, I am embarrassed to have one of our fans act like this
Nah average Bolton fan
@@aw3dwafda950 🤣
@@aw3dwafda950 fr they dead club dead fans they celebrating like mad against Stockport and they conceded 6 in two legs to them
@@Aden068 wanker who do u support
Theo just seemed alright with it tbf
“The rise and fall of Thogdad”. That will be the title of many a video in the not so distant future.
With you all the way Vizeh 👌❤️
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@@MpanzuSolos could be another - 10 and 23 of out players suspended eswell 😵, well fight tho 🤷🏼♂️
@@JƏ05 what you taking about? The Juventus thing or something else
@@T12G juve thing mush
@@MpanzuSolos literally no one cares mate
Lost all my respect for thogdad. I know you're trying to be impartial, but both Thogden and thogdad come across as so arrogant as of late and this has really changed my view on them for the worse. No one is immune to criticism
well it looks Thogden thought it was a good video and was gonna use it to learn from. He then explained the situation with his dad, so Thogden seems a decent guy.
What Vizeh did was constructive criticism, it wasn't a personal lash at either of them. Therefore Thogdad is in the wrong, not Vizeh
Credit to you for not getting angry and just getting your point across
So true, imagine if this was Goldbridge or True Geordie... or maybe that's the reason he didn't target them but a young lad like Liam instead
The reason I unsubscribed from Thogden was when they did a video about how Stuntpegg pulled out of doing a video with them - when she was publicly talking about her struggles with mental health at the time. Totally unnecessary and despite them claiming they had nothing against her, they still chose to make an entire video about it. A really poor decision and totally lacking in any empathy. Seems unreal people capable to throwing someone under the bus like that would react like this.
You've addressed the situation perfectly. It's a real shame that this is, maybe not the true side, but a prominent side of Thogdad - not taking the time to appreciate criticism and disregarding it as "trolling". Maybe he's truly in a dark place in the moment, maybe he's not and is intentionally trying to gather hate. We truly don't know, but again you've addressed in the best way possible. Let's hope he does the right thing and apologise, because this can be forgiven and you've given him a lot of opportunities to reconcile, so the option is absolutely not off the table. All the best to you!
Really winds me up that Theo had used the term depression so lightly at the end there, depression doesn’t come over the course of a few days, being upset does, you don’t just get depressed by the click of a finger
Spot on
Not true at all
@@neilsokayatthis3970 well it is true. You don’t just get depression for a couple days, it’s not like having a cold.
You should be so proud of yourself. You stood up to a bully in a respectful but firm way. You didn't drag yourself down to his level, but you also didn't let him bully you. You put those messagees into the publi domain and we can all work out how vile they are. p.s. i consider the quality of your videos to be far superior to others out there. That to me is the measure of success
You seem like the bigger man in this situation Liam, and the way thogdad handled this is shocking. Especially the contrast with his son's response, and it makes things all the more embarrassing with the strange and disgusting comments that he's made. I'm with you all the way.
Thank you lad
@@VizehAre you ok now Liam?.Avoid the hate and prove thogdad wrong by being a good role model
So we live in times where honest critique is called "hate speech." Good times to be living in. People take shit too far and can't accept any sort of criticism.
As a center-left/moderate Democrat, this.
You’ve probably been thinking about this clickbait for months and you’ve opened a can of worms that never need to be opened.
Fair play to you for handling this so well, being rational and fair despite Thogdads attempts to goad you into a fight. Such a shame that a grown man feels the need to act this way
How many drinks did thogdad have before sending these DM’s
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None he’s just tory
Typical drunken british hooligan🤷♂️
He's just living on another planet, out of touch with reality. A bit like the current state of the Tory Party....
@@MpanzuSolosWhat's a tory
Much love to you, man❤️ you couldn’t have handled this any better
Never would have thought he'd have been like that. Thought he was a genuine bloke. Proves you don't know a person by watching them on youtube
This is crazy because I never really liked Thogden, but I actually saw him in a different, more positive light after Liam's video.
Thogdad knows the hate makes them successful more than the actual fans, that's how social media works
What’s insane is Vizeh is famously a very balanced in the kind of videos he makes. He never makes outlandish statements, and tries to put forward both sides on any given topic.
I've been watching you for a while now, this is just sad. Stay strong Vizeh
just saw this. Thogdad can answer this question: How does it feel to be carried by your son? That's an actual question now
Respect to Theo for handling this better than his dad.
Quite sad to see this get that heated. On the one hand I can understand why Thogdad as a father would just want to protect his son and not want any video to invite more trolling or create more attention into the Thogden hate (as he would view it). On the other hand having watched your video the actual context of the entire thing was balanced and somewhat still also bigging Theo up. I would go as far to say it was a video that was sticking up for Thogden in a non-biased way. Overall I think responses in the virtual world are just never a good idea. Things said at the heat of the moment from behind a screen. These sorts of things do much better face to face and tend to get sorted more and hopefully there will be an opportunity for that
Tory response from a tory. Glad you took it like a man Vizeh 👍
I'm not Tory sympathiser but I think most Tory voters would still disagree with what Thogdad said
@@kindmulberry7196 I think the moral line of people who still vote Tory disappeared a long time ago
@@TubbyBrewster11 I'd completely disagree, remember the tabloids can make anyone believe anything. People will still vote for them even if they have no pension left because they may say "Oh I just don't like Starmer" or "Johnny foreigner and the boats" etc many Tory voters are incredibly stubborn when it comes to voting any other party
@@TubbyBrewster11 As always Non Tories take the Moral high ground with no justification at all..
Him bringing your 1 year old daughter into this was incredibly low. Seemed like a nice bloke and used to respect him. Now he has shown his true colours.
Sending love your way Liam. Incredible how someone as young as you are can handle this situation so much more mature than - what one should expect - a 50/60 year old man with objectively much more life experience. I in no way understand where his reaction came from. If he‘s depressed - so be it, everyone can be and I hope he seeks and receives the help that he needs. Just, if this is true, don‘t let it out on someone that OBJECTIVELY made an unbiased mini-doc about why a certain content creator is one of/if not the most hated in this football YT industry.
If anything you were trying to help Thogden. Shine some light on why a huge amount of the trolling and hate is just nonsense and stems from pure vileness. He himself even acknowledged that with his comments on your video. You were - and I think EVERYONE here will state the same - in some way whilst just stating the whole case and shining a light on the topic also - with or without intent - really helping clear the air on Thogden‘s hate and maybe promote some change surrounding his internet persona. And I think Thogden is thankful for that - hence his response. And his father, as a caring parent, should be thankful for that as well. Where this reaction now stems from is a mystery and it generally just baffles me.
Anyways, dont let it get to you. I have not the slightest impression that you have or will but as I said, you never know whats going on behind closed doors - and that applies to every single on of us.
Have a great new year brother, enjoy every day with your beautiful family and I have my fingers crossed that this whole situation will be quickly handled in a mature manner on behalf of Stephen/Thogdad. Cheers to you & your fam mate & much love from Berlin ❤ Have and always will love your content brother! ❤
Logan Paul didn’t even handle it this badly to coffeezilla.
Let's not go that far, Logan Paul was really BAD
I actually lost it when you said “I don’t want thogden dead” lmfao what a crazy thing to have to clarify 😂😂😂
I'm very surprised with how thogdad responded, I'm a fan of him and Theo and it's very disappointing to see a grown man with so much experience act how he has and how disrespectful he was to Vizeh
I’m waiting for Fabrizio to confirm Thogden is cutting ties with Thogdad.
From a psychological perspective, I think Q3 & Q4 were the main triggers that made him feel necessary to respond in the way he did, and all the rest of the questions is just different ways in which his lashing out manifested. To be fair, looking at messages containing death threats made toward one’s son can be more than capable of causing the level of emotional turbulence we’re witnessing in this video; it does not mean the passive-aggressive patronizing demeanour is justifiable from Thogdad’s end. I think this situation has been poorly handled by him.
Fame went into the bloke's head, if I were his son, I'd be embarrassed about the old man.
At least the kid is level-headed enough to make up for it.
Just shows how much of a role model he is to Theo as he’s nothing like Stephen, this is a prime example to when you think you’re bigger then you actually are.
I love how Vizeh is just 24 and is acting very mature and thogdad someone who’s child is almost the same age as the person that he got pissed at.
Honestly he and Theo have both outclassed Thogdad here. This never would have been an issue at all if it weren't for his response. At this point Theo would be wise to distance his content from his dad.
I never would of guessed that Thogdad had an evil and twisted side to him where he plays a snowflake victim who is always being "harrassed" by simple criticism and at the same time bullies people who aren't as popular and wealthy as him.
Big ups viz thogdad I don’t get why he’s done this. Fair play to thogden for playing it off. It is really patronising how he acted and it’s quite childish of a man who should obviously know the right and wrongs. Big ups Viz u did the right thing
Just went and watched the original video and came back to this. Thogdad is bang out of order. I honestly struggle to pick anything that you said as offensive or misleading. Thogden responded with class in his message and comment.
He's not doing the right thing, however you have a little bit of history with his son and he was probably worried that he'd have to listen to another 'diss track'. He also clearly didn't watch the video, but is definitely unhappy about how much his son gets trolled and he was trying to protect him, therefore his intentions were good, but he just got caught in the moment and unleashed his worst side. Everyone makes mistakes, he doesn't usually but he made a costly one with that last question
I have to say I watched the original video and you were spot on with everything. I’ve watched Thogdan for a while now and personally noticed a change in his and his dads demeanor in the past year, so in truth I’m not surprised that Thogdad responded the way he did. Your response video is very well done and you have gained a new follower whilst Thogdan sadly has lost one.
Glad I am not the only one. The whole thogden channel was built of him solely supporting his club (Bolton) ever since his Channel took of they have both just become completely different people & honestly from a viewer who used to like the pair that now strongly dislikes them I think it all comes down to greed! Not the fact that it’s growing his platform.
Countless times they act fake, countless times they only specify certain scenarios for drama content.
That message you sent to him at the end?? 14:22 why do you try to seem professional and not get someone to check your grammar or how you’ve formed sentences?? “I believe your emotional relationships has blinded your thinking” makes absolutely no sense “seeing things had a hit piece when it is not.” How on earth is someone going to decipher what any of that means? It’s like a foreigner has put something through google translate? How hard is it to write “I believe the grim hatred of your son I displayed on my video has clouded your judgement of my videos intent, you took it as a hit piece when it is far from that.” You’re going to get yourself in trouble if you can’t word sentences together properly when you’re talking about such sensitive subjects
Lmao you make a fair point actually
@@nodefense well it’s like imagine you’re the person receiving that message, it’s a serious subject and their reply doesn’t make any sense whatsoever? It screams incompetence and it shows Liam isn’t mature or intelligent enough to be making these kind of videos
Not sure how he’s came to that conclusion in his head to warrant such a disgusting response, unacceptable and if you haven’t received an apology already I don’t think there is any going back from this.
The levels of passive aggressiveness in that email are off tha charts😂
A touch of class with your video. That lad needs to distance himself from his dad as he'll be his downfall.
Head up man, you actually made me understand Thogden abit more and like him more because everyone just calls him a cringy melt. His dad on the other hand, scumbag. When people misinterpret this badly and make themselves think they're right or you hurt them this much, I personally have no sympathy for them because they don't even see objective truth. Hopefully Thogden is tied to this at all and he's telling his dad to stop this. Great videos, keep it up and see you in the Premier league next year
Feel a bit bad for Thogden tbh, I've never been a big fan of his content but I'm the same age as him and I'd be mortified if my parents responded like that. Credit to him for giving mature response, it's a shame his dad couldn't do the same
I never thought that Thogden would be in the right and Thogdad in the wrong, crazy - completely changed my perception on them both
For a man who was a politician and a councillor in a large city, for a party that isn't well liked in metro areas, it absolutely baffles me that he seemingly can't take the slightest criticism. None of this should be new to him. People will have criticised him in the past, people have criticised his son in the past. This just seems like a classic "straw that broke the camels back" situation and he's lashed out
I honestly gotta say I fully support you and it just feels wrong what the dad has said is wrong and that he has done this to you and I recon he barely even knows you and barely even gave a effort to watch a minute of your video and I fully agree with you and I wish you the best
The fact that you actually had to clarify that you don’t want Thogden dead is hilarious to me. Great response mate ❤
You ain't done nothing wrong. Some sensitive folk out here man
Love man
Everyone shows their true colours sooner or later.
Imagine being a grown man and having your Dad act like that?!
Embarrassing
Absolute biff 😂😂😂
Very well balanced and mature response sir!
Thogdad on about moderately successful youtuber his son is literally the only reason for his success
Always thought his dad seemed kinda odd, this Just proves my feeling. What a sad human being
13:25, this probably should have stayed private, I don't think that should be shared on yt. Everything else you've conducted yourself pretty admirably.
Well done you liam. I am astounded by this, how on earth is thig dad reacting in this way, a man much older than yourself. You were respectful and acted maturely, don’t listen to this crap.
Torydad is gonna Tory.
I remember Torydan cursing Robbie from AFTV, shows me what type of people they are.
Hope you are ok Liam. Great video. You handled the situation with a very cool head 👏
Love and respect to you Liam. The irony to this is in some way, it could garner sympathy for Thogden having such a crazy person for a father 😂
I have watched this Burnley kidgo from screeching about Fifa to building his family abroad and then going back to England to raise his daughter, all this before he's 30, and now I'm watching that man being slandered by the "wholesome dad" of football youtube, who turns out is a Tory and supports Putin's Russia (at least before the Ukraine conflict, idk about now) and also love to overreact and fight his son's battles for him, when he couldn't be reacting more contrastingly. These are probably the two strangest character arcs in football youtube, and they're the opposite of each other almost
The guy who is in his 50s insulting you and ya daughter is mad yet his son who is in his 20s acts so much more adult about it
Overall I think this video was very fair but I wouldn't have shared that final screenshot from thogden
Yeah, I think Theo will be unhappy about that. Way too personal.
it's been 8 months. I'm assuming he didn't apologise
2 hours still wasn't enough. Great pod lads
Respect to Thogden
Wow, I'm honestly surprised by this. I thought Thogdad seemed like a humble guy and then he pulls this out the bag. Unbelievable.
No such thing as a humble tory
Viz rocking the slavic trim ❤️
Thogdad showing his true colours here. This is simply unacceptable for me I completely him understand trying to protect his son but Thogden is a grown man and literally brought in your wife and daughter into this for no good reason. I hope this gets resolved
Thogdad might have made a mountain out of a mole hill and blown it out of proportion, but he didn't really say anything vile about you or your child, I also don't see anything wrong with thogdads last comment at the end, I think it was yourself that made it into something it's not.
Just my opinion.
It’s sad he couldn’t act like his son in this situation because how sad do you have to be to send hate to another UA-camr for addressing a situation that has gained publicity for actions from his son
I didn't find any issue with the previous video at all, weren't the biggest fan of Thogden and personally thought Thogdad were perhaps the better of the two, but this has completely changed my view and at least Theo handled the situation far better too. Bit uncalled for from Stephen in regards to the personal comments towards Liam :/
Look at how you handled the aberdeen fans back in 2018 at that moment you were probably one of the most hated youtubers... but the way the 2 games went showed off how 2 very different group of fans can get along and still have banter to this day
Lol Darvel
Thogdad has always been a stubborn unlikable guy to me. I never understood why people like this guy even a little bit
Hadn’t heard of this old man until this video. Won’t remember him in an hour. You however are a legend :).
I thought he just sounded depressed before I saw Theo mention it.
While there is no excusing the overreaction by him, sometimes people at low points say things like this. So hopefully he learns his lesson and gets some help. That's why it might've cut him deeper than it usually would have.
Again, no excusing the reaction though
You and Theo have been really mature about it
As someone who is subscribed to you both, and fellow UA-camrs such as James Alcott, I have thoroughly enjoyed your videos over the last few years regarding, rankings, kit reviews, match reactions and much more.
After watching your video the other evening about Thogden, I can completely see where you are coming from and agree with a few points you made in it regarding maybe rubbing people up the wrong way regarding his attitude towards his work etc. Regardless of the fact you did criticise him a few times in the video, at no point did you target him specifically (a lot could be said for various other football vloggers) and you also defended him at multiple times during the video.
Making a video on this topic was always going to bring some flak your way, and reading comments on Twitter, it seems as if you and Thogden are quite civil and have respect for each other.
I am however extremely disappointed and surprised at Thogdad’s response to your video, as I believed him to be a nice decent bloke, and this video shows a side of him that most of us people won’t like or relate too.
Keep your head up Vizeh, as I don’t believe you have done anything wrong in this situation, and don’t deserve the grilling and insults sent your way. Carry on being the better person, keep on providing great content and your channel will no doubt flourish from that.
Ross, Tottenham Hotspur supporter (face palm)
I Literally watched that video about Theo and thought “wow what a well made and great video, hopefully Theo can take something positive from the negatives and appreciate the positives.” And Theo clearly did and fair play to him, but Thogdad has really shown his true colours here, very disappointed in him. Great work though Liam.