Greymane is free wins in low rank with a bit of practice.
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- Опубліковано 30 жов 2019
- Hey guys, continuing on the series for heroes that are great in low ranks. Greymane is amazing for this. He does just about everything an assassin needs. I still don't like smurfing, but people really like this series to show them low ranked play and how to approach it.
Because I kind of bullied this rag and said "he doesn't even know what I am doing or how to counter it." I will explain how to counter what I did.
Firstly I was freezing the lane to deny him experience and stacks. I froze the lane by not killing the ranged minions and letting them attack me instead of getting into tower range. This make rag need to get into an unsafe position to kill minions. The second thing I did was scared him off when he did come back. Thirdly I didn't kill minions. This gave out team level 7 before the enemies got there.
How to counter this: Do not push unless you need to. Hide in bushes in soaking range and use meat balls to attempt to reset the lane. Takesteps forward when minions are about to die to make sure you are in range of the soak. Greymane can't attack what he can't see and cocktail on one person doesn't do a lot of damage, which is why bush camping is very valuable. If greymane begins walking into bush, use e, auto, q, w. You as rag have sustain and greymane doesn't so small trades are almost always in your favor, long trades are not in your favor. Finally if you are playing someone who just really can't handle the enemy laner, roam and force early 5v4s and camps to try to get that experience that you are missing.
#NotParadox #HeroesOfTheStorm #GreymaneGuide - Ігри
Hey guys, just wanted to share, I explain how to counter what I did to rag in the description. I also want to share that this happens a lot in silver. If you can get a clear advantage the enemies tend to just give up and rage at eachother. So learning the little things in the beginning to get good advantages lead to a lot of these games. I know this particular game wasn't a long drawn out game, but tbh most of my games in silver look this way.
this content is garbage. You are playing again a team with a malicious feeder and the rest with super low skill level. This happens from time to time sure. But its not "Carrying" and he content is not informative.
@Montgomery Young I think he could have uploaded a different video though, however most of my games now have ragers/quitters from GM all the way down.
I like the denying stacks and XP play. Good to remember.
@Montgomery Young what is "inting" anyways? Intentionally dying?
HOTS is wild right now! People get so mad in the first 5 mins and start inting. You can comeback so hard in this game I don't understand that mentality. Yall need to chill lol
The only excuse for throwing is if there are GM smurfs on the enemy team in a silver game
That Rag watched "easy carry to masters with ragnaros" by notparadox and now he is FUUUU
@Mario D. Zmaj i was that Rag. Facts.
@@ralphferrigno2520 no way lol
@@ralphferrigno2520 i played some greymane long time ago, but i feel like he could have just jumped to you, kill you and then take tower, your team wouldn't go there to help anyway (probably) :P
4:20 exactly
Haha. I laugh at dis
How to carry with Greymane: have a throwing Raynor on the enemy team.
Yeah weird choice to upload this video. Greymane is still very good even in higher ranks though. Source: I am a Greymane main with. 65% Winrate *this season
Heroes of the throw now. Super sad
@@evo683 Gaymane works only in good players hand. Creeps are more usefull than Greymane in mid tier, low players.
"How to carry with any hero"
This was a great vid, that freezing the lane trick is fantastic to know about against quest stackers
Thanks for these videos! AU SL queues are a touch long, so having something like this while waiting for a match is a godsend hahah
I really like this style of video keep em coming.
Yey,Halloween special! But in general,I think this vid helped me decide when to go in and when to play save against greymane, thanks!
The open camp at bottom made me lose it real hard
The raynor did that....
some peope do that so the game ends faster / they have given up
I'm junk rat (geeeorge2000) in this game. Watch the replay and see raynor quit after first death, flame, then feed. Interesting team chat for sure. Glad you guy reported too. Trapped in Silver.....
One can't be trapped in silver if they aren't bad players
@@akumetsuakumetsu5173 I'm not claiming to be platinum or whatever. But it's possible to be a decent player and trapped. I had a player that flamed because the team leader banned kaelthas while he was showing it. He just went afk during the game but moved his mouse once in a while. I had another game with a "Nova main" that threw after 2 quick deaths. Those are 400 point swings. But hey feel free to attack me....
@@georgeallred4617 Things like these sure can happen, but it's statistically unrealistic to happen enough to trap a player
@@akumetsuakumetsu5173 fair enough. I'll grind my way out eventually.
You can be trapped in Silver if you don't play an enormous amount of games. Using statistics to win is fine when you play enough. But if you play league sparingly then the incremental increases in rank feel like you are stalled and make it unbearable. You then play even less games from that feeling and become trapped. So while technically impossible, it happens often enough to those who don't feel that throws, disconnects, trolls and other things of that nature are worth it.
At the end of the day rank doesn't matter if you aren't a pro gamer. So it's best to stick to Quick Match unless you're in a group ahead of time. While it may be tougher, it will be funner and more reliable.
"Big ping spike wtf mouse broke" - Raynor
I discovered recently your channel, and must say that you're doing a really good job, I wonder if you are coaching people that hasn't reached GM yet. I would like to get some advices about the mistakes I could be making. Ty
I like Greymane in Heroes of the Storm because he was a worgen, advisor to Varian Wrynn and Anduin Wrynn and king of Gilneas. Greymane's human form is ranged because of his pistol and he's worgen form in melee because of his claws in worgen transformation so that's why he is called "Lord of the Worgen".
Learned a lot from your vid. thanks man!
This is a game with no real comeback possibility, not with that Raynor.
He was bot i guess
Love it, thank you! Can you do a video on Jaina please? She's one of my favorites.
I like that well tip of tapping so it still heals you while doing the bruiser never knew it worked like that. Also using the q to help refresh the duration of attack bonus when need to back off. I've been playing greymane a bit more lately because then I dont have to rely on help taking camps solo because often randoms during solo queue games wont come to the ping to help out.
It would of been nice to see some examples of which times to take the camps as him per map maybe later on. I need to get good at stutter stepping to improve my auto attacker heroes would make a lot of difference.
Great video!
18:54 I was wondering for some time, why I suck playing auto-attackers. I can do stutterstepping properly, but I figured out, that high level players play with vision a lot.
I think you should stress how many times he walks into bushes while stutterstepping, or just keeps attacking through terrain, to prevent the enemies from focusing him.
It's smurfing silver. It's like silly poker
I feel like the real lessons are about knowing the map mechanics and then the spy games.
If you know how to play the map, like knowing the best timings for the camps, you'll rise in the ranks. And yeah it's spy games against other smurfs, zoning guys out and not overplaying your hand.
great video, thanks for the tips.
My favorite thing about Greymane is that he's voiced by Odo from Deep Space Nine.
Love the live gameplay videos!
Great vid. Wondering If you going to do a Sonya vid like this any time soon?
Do you think you could upload your build to something like heroeshearth or whatever for each hero video you do? Maybe put the link in the description? Would help out immensely, thanks
@NotParadox i played as Rag in that game last night and just randomly came across your video today! Our raynor from the start said he was going to feed and not try... we reported his ass...
"How to carry" the enemy team threw and then gave up.
You need better awareness then, the advantage he got at the solo lane really had a lot of impact
@@marcosmendez6833 for sure. but not as much as free levels from intentional feeding
@@quyiter which is exactly how you win in low ranks. People in low ranks play way better ahead then behind.
I mean, he obviously wasn't able to choose the teams for the match he played. Whether they smashed them or not was besides the point; the video was about what he was doing over the course of the game.
@@LvLdGhost ah ok sorry didnt know
You make it look easy. I mean it in a good way.
I was playing Nova in the solo lane and did what you did. I harassed my opponent and denied him exp.
And not taking the camp at 7:00 or so could mean that your team would take it. So they denied you to push further by paying you exp.
Sweet I'm not crazy in my playing Greymane lately.
When the Johanna was engaging on you at the first shrine you should have gone into worgen form. Not only would it slightly reduced the damage you received but also greatly increase your own damage out put and maybe have gotten a kill. Greymanes only reliable escape is also in his worgen form. With Johanna hugging you in human form had anyone else come over you may have been dead.
All hail FunkyPants, who does not retreat.
Like.
ever.
Going with smurf account and "complaining" that you face smurfs.... lol
Cursed bullet is absurdly fun against deathwing
Im frequently playing with and against FunkyPants (not that i know him/her/it) and its funny to see, that it's not just me, but hes really just standing around, auto-attacking stuff and inting :D
Good ol' Funkypants. Didnt notice the name at first. I guess a name like that is easy to remember.
Hello Dimitri, are you Gönning now?!?!
btw. my Pants are Funky too
Can you do this for someone like Orphea or Qhira?
50k subs!
What quick cast settings are you playing with? On release?
Why don't you like Eager Wolf? Mathematically speaking, it increases your DPS by about 27%, which is only 3% less than executioner. Wouldn't it be the go-to pick in games where you'll be able to satisfy the 4 second W condition more often than the slow condition?
Not to mention, that it is only one on this tier that enhances your PvE.
@@Kashiarii :D u dont need much more PvE enchances with 16 :D u alrdy have a very good pve with grey.
Maybe it's a lame request, but could you post a video with a good healer to rank up in lower ranks (with the exception of Rehgar of course)? Some time ago you talked abou a 100-0 build with Whitemane and I wonder if is still viable in bronze/silver rank. Thanks.
TL:DR: Pick Ana. Heals from a screen away, good sustain healing, great Cleanses at 13 bound to a 2sec cd, can actually survive divers if you can land darts.
Really bad PvE damage, though. Pick Rehgar if players at your rank consistently neglect macro... and/or your team really didn't want to draft waveclear for some reason.
More general playstyle advice:
Don't worry about your accuracy at the start. It'll get better. Ana is balanced with the assumption that she'll miss Healing Darts as well. This makes her mechanical skill ceiling higher, which just means you can significantly increase your healing numbers with practice. Increasing healing on other healers isn't quite as straightforward by comparison.
Throw your grenade early, as soon as heroes hitting 75% in fights or 50% without immediate threat. The longer your team can fight with confidence, the better. The same goes for Nano Boost, for that matter. Use it on the target while they have high health, because the enemy team usually tries to kill the Nano Boost target, which means it's too late for Nano Boost when your frontline doesn't have enough HP left to engage alongside your Nano Boost target.
In general, it's a lot easier to heal with Ana while your team isn't retreating, because they line up more nicely for your Healing Darts.
Aim Down Sights (Trait, activatable) should be active for most of the fights. The range increase on Healing Dart and Sleep Dart let you play further back and you can sometimes heal two heroes. Stay focused on one target at a time, though. Hitting multiple people with heals or sleep is nice, but you'll often miss your intended target or even hit nothing. Some observant teammates may even line up for you if they notice your consistent aim on one target.
However, the main reason why you want your trait active during fights is so you can immediately cancel it when you need to run. If you activate it and get jumped two seconds later, you're stuck at 75% move speed for two more seconds. If you accidentally activate it when you wanted the opposite, you're stuck with it for four seconds. Keeping it active by "default" also helps build your reflex reaction to dive. Your reaction to dive should be to fire a Sleep Dart and then cancel Aim Down Sights, which gives you a nice headstart for running away, even if your team wakes the diver(s) up soon after. I also recommend taking Debilitating Dart at level 4 in most cases, as it gives you another dart to fall back on. This also means you can fire your Sleep Dart offensively for some chain cc without becoming completely defenseless.
As for macro, don't bother with camps much. Your PvE damage sucks. If the lane isn't pushed out far, you can catch that one wave of soak your teammember(s) would be missing instead. However, if the teammember(s) moving to the camp are at ~75% HP or below, you may also join them, because they're usually easier to hit with Healing Darts while doing the camp. In general, you don't want to stay alone for too long. You don't want to give the enemy team enough time to coordinate a gank. If you get angrily pinged or called out in chat after not joining for a camp, just always stick with your team. Team morale is worth more than the XP of a few minions.
On that note, don't let missed heals get to your head, even if your teammates flame you for it. Getting into an argument breaks your concentration and typing in chat takes away time from playing the game. Both of those will further reduce your healing numbers. Focus on the game and trying to hit as many heals every two seconds as possible.
Edit: *consistently.
@@Yorekani wow I thought nobody would've read my comment and now I got a coaching! Thanks for your help and your time!
@@giuseppetomasella6859 Well, take my plat coaching with a grain of salt, but I pick Ana fairly often.
If I had to add one thing: Think less about how to "carry" a team and more about what you need to be doing. Most supports shouldn't solo camps*, shouldn't tank in the frontline** and shouldn't dive to finish kills***, but trying to do the jobs of your team means you have less time to do your job. As pointed out in this video, always try to make use of your time. First priority is keeping the team healthy and only after that can you think about other ways to create an advantage.
Examples for exceptions:
* Rehgar
** Uther
*** Kharazim
It's even more important with heroes like these to keep your priorities straight, though.
What's "inting"? I've heard people use it, and it seems to be a synonym for "throwing", but I'm not sure.
Daniel Hackney inting = intentionally dying
@Monster Mash Y
its just some made up shit, didnt see a normal person use it yet
@Kushagra Yadav and what mobas did you play and when
I find low ranked games harder than higher ranks cus its just more wild. Ppl dont have a clue of what actualy wins games. so you kinda get lost in the sea of bad ideas and pol getting gready. Im not thaaaat good of a player but I wonder if you have tips on how to motivate ppl into playing in a useful way for the team. Ex: some ppl just go for bad draffs or dont know how or when to lane vs get camps... Like i said I not a very good player. I go from gold to bronze and back. and alsow how can i get myself to calm down and not fall into the rabit hole
will you ever make a Samuro video?
Hooooo!!!! I made it into a NotParadox video.
Why do you dislike the eager wolf talent so much. Wouldnt 50% increased to 90 be really good if your team doesnt have a lot of cc?
With Greymane's level 1 talents. what is the difference between the 2 'W' talents ( 1 and 3). they seem so similar... thank you in advance
the first one provides you to activate W sooner after doing a camp or pushing. the third talent provides you to keep Inner Beast active in teamfights (if you want to keep it with the first talent picked, you will be forced to risk more - that 1 sec really matters).
the first one atracted me when i was a newbie. now i pick the third one in all the games.
if you like the principal of greymane's W but you dont like his other abilities,
valla stacks basic attacks similarly.
What should've done that Ragnaros to counter the way you were freezing the lane?
if you can clear out the enemy wave and get your minions to walk into tower range and die, the waves will no longer be frozen and will once again meet in the middle. Of course if rag then stacks his quest on the minions in the middle of the lane, clearing the wave, paradox will once again freeze the lane.
Ragnaros has strong waveclear, so he can ideally do a fast clear on the wave with his abilities. The problem is that he puts himself at risk of ganks with his overextending, and can potentially tank tower shots, while allowing greymane to dive him. Its why freezing is so good, easy soak for you and easy ganks on enemy, while making it tougher for them to soak.
You have to be able to quickly go in, clear the enemy wave, and prevent the enemy laner from distracting your own enemy wave, whether that means bullying them away from your wave or getting them to walk past your wave and attack you.
If the hero freezing the wave destroys you in 1v1 matchups, and your hero can't reliably clear the enemy wave, its a very tough position to be in, meaning you might not want to give them an opportunity to freeze in the first place.
there's a couple of things he could have done:
First one, and the one where he failed the most, was that he didn't understood the match up. If you can't win in a 1vs1 against your lane enemy you should try to be the one freezing the lane.
Secondly he could have have double soaked. Rag has good waveclear, and although the lanes are a bit far apart making him loose a bit of xp per wave it's still better than geting no xp at all and not geting any stacks for your quest. Comunicate to your team that you will start to soak both lanes so that the other 4 are free to push bot and get camps. Now the enemies have a choice to make. Either let you guys push bot freely since you have one more man there or match it up puting one more person down there. In the first case the rest of your team will be able to push some structures compensating for the xp being lost top. If they go for the second choice grey will be forced to double soak too and there rag is in a better spot, meaning that you will actually soak more xp then greymane and even better, further your quest more quickly.
Thirdly, since rag needs his stacks to be helpful to the team, he could have asked to simply swap lanes with somebody. The team would still loose the soak top but atleast you rag would be in a better spot to help.
Also, this Rag just straight ran at the wave withut thinking. NP was standing in the top brush to zone him off the wave but there is actually a similar brush at the bottom of the lane where he could have ust hung out and soaked exp without contesting the wave.
Even if there was no such brush pushing greymane out of his brush by either running around the fog of war at top of the lane or waiting for greymane to go thin the wave(kill some minions to prevent the wave from crashing onto his towers and breaking the freeze) and then taking the position in the brush for when he comes back to the brush. Playing around vision is super important in ranged vs melee matchups (since you cant AA from range without vision and 9/10 melee wins battles fought in melee).
In any case, the worst thing you can do is to just run at the wave through greymane as we saw this Rag do. Even if he tries to blockyou from exp go into fog of war and find a way around greymane to get to the wave. e.g. you saw greymane go to the top brush -> you circle around to the bottom of the wave. This way greymane cant freefire while you run up to the wave. At this point you combo the wave and leave at once. You will take some damage but that is unavoidable, what matters is that you limit the amount of poke you take.
Sorry for the rant - it ended up longer than expected.
hello,
are you gonna rank up on greymane?
i recommend you to pay attention to who can counter your main hero more easily while ranking up and to meet some experienced players to get advices from during the games. let them lead you and provide them a mechanically outstanding greymane (or whatever hero in meta) in exchange.
ps: excuse my possibly bad english, but believe me i really tryed.
That Jaina pissed me off
Its nice to have this kind of content but i would like to see how you can carry with these heroes in situations where you dont have the advantage, as you had it in these recent games. It is easier to carry and get value when your team has an advantage and one of the reasons why is that the enemy team usually do not know how to play in the decision department in these circumstances and it pretty much snowballs. Thats why i want to watch a video where, for example, you were on the enemy team in this exact same match.
He's a Master level player.
Eventhough the other team throwed the match, the video can teach someone on silver (basic positioning, basic stutterstepping, basic map awareness) how to get to a higher rank.
He shows it all: build, aa, positioning, double soaking, map awareness, poking, denying xp, denying stacks, combos, etc..
That Raynor throwed or that the other team gives up is not actually relevant on the analysis.
He has videos about these topics, i want to see the decision making in unfavorable situations
The point is he created the clear advantage. They were almost a level ahead since level 3 and the raynor realized this, got angry, and starting feeding. Low ranked players dont know what they need to do to come from behind so if you ever get a lead on them their team will start feeding or at the very least playing hyperaggressive/split up.
@@bayleymurray1136 Being ahead in xp is a general way to get advantage and its something he has already covered in multiple videos. He could have done a try mode showing combos and giving advices with greymane but this isnt a good game to show how to carry with him
So good example of greymane play but I really don't think you should have used this particular video just because of the Raynor. I feel like a lot of your how to videos show situations where you have a clear advantage.
Completely agree, I almost posted something saying the same thing.
Easy to show "free wins" when smurfing too imho, I think it would be better to show a "real" silver or bronze being able to rank up with Paradox coaching him or sth else
tbh this has happened like 5 games in a row. I have learned that people in silver just give up when you get an advantage.
NotParadox This is the exact reason why silver is limbo hell. Half the time the people throwing games are on your team, other half on the enemy side. In such games the only time time you can affect the game is at the start. Frustrating when you’re losing, not much joy in winning because of throwing from other side. And your rank just waddles back and forth.
Think this video is more like "how to smurf easy wins in silver, when ur a GM" -Nothing much 2 do with Grey Mane, just a smurf...
greymane is a beast, literally.
Half the time :p
not sure if this video demonstrates greymane, the other team was really bad
Since when did smurfing became OK?
Fuzzy raynor
08:20 I never experienced a free camp.
Imagine that you get an opposing team with smurfs in silver. HOTS should have evolved already to identify those gamers that gets out the fun from other peoples games.
Oddly enough one of the things that has made em a better Hots player (not that I'm particularly good) is playing LoL. LoL is extremely punishing for making mistakes early on; wave management, ganking, lane priority and macro is crucial. If you tend to play solo laners, double soakers then I'd suggest playing a bit of LoL. The one thing that you need to do in Hots more is use abilities in bushes and watch the mini-map a bit more since there are no wards to give you vision (abathur mines, creep etc help of course).
I've played Hots for years and find it a more fun game, more team oriented and more diverse with multiple maps but there is something to be said for trying other games in the genre to see what you can learn to make you a better MOBA player in general.
Huge fan of your videos, but this one is kind of unrealistic. Most games don't have a key enemy player throwing the game. Raynor was 0 and 8 with only 5k hero damage. He was clearly trolling his team.
SMURF!!!
Dude i played with u today, lol
SMURFING :( be proud
What is inting?
Inting? What's that?
I find playing nova in lower ranks much easier than any other hero to boost
Smurfing should be forbidden.
Free camp got taken by junkrat( way of how enemies are spread all over the place)
Naming your smurf acct 'NotSmurf' is tasteless BM
Psst. "Monthly" meta.
It was easy as the other team did not have any good cc. PlAying against slow, stun and trappers are bit hard for greyname.
He had covid way back!
Did you have rona on this video ?
what's inting?
Intentionally dying = feeding
bad guy , use range counter melee XD~
4:20 Pretty sure that was a free kill. Q -> E -> Auto -> Q
Efficiency? Are u german?
I don't think Raynor is inting... they could just be new and terrible. I play with some friends who are new to the game and simply make weird, terrible decisions. So maybe getting 10 shots off on a tower and dying seemed worth it at first. Especially if the new players are playing with experienced friends, they are probably winning a few games they shouldn't.. throwing the MMR. Benifit of the doubt.. Terrible play vs. actually feeding
Easy fix don't be a push and kill them for trying to zone u out of xp
Smurfing is bad mkay
worgen form not wolf form 🤦🏻♂️
troll match.
this gm play is plat
Why youtubers even upload videos like this, ofc it's easywin if enemy team is throwing. Record another video and upload it if you want to show us how you actually carry with greymane.
im not a pro, but theres no reason at all to play greyman at low or medium ranks
Dude, u could kill him twice at the laning phase
Wtf is wrong with u
You can just make a video like this for every hero cause you're GM so it's not a good representation
Dude, i appreciate ur coaching but we dont really care about that announcement: “being Demoted/Promoted” at beginning of every single video!
We all agree that 90% of ur vids are lame
We all agree that many of us learned smth from ur videos
But pls stop talking abt carrying and upload videos like this.
And let me ask u this if u are in the opposite team will u carry with grey???
Very impressive watching masters smurf silvers. With your skill level wouldn't any hero be good?
@NotParadox This "Carry" series needs to end ASAP! I really prefer you say tips on master or above because your tip at this point not helping. You need to understand this. This is a TEAM game. At low ranks, you need to understand that players still don't understand like maps, obj, camps, and team fights. You need more of how to camps or how macroing really is. Those videos can term "carry" games with the team. These heroes one-trick video not helping. Your teaching maybe like a healer or tank main try DPS and failed so bad that it cost the game more ways than one. Even worse will be DPS players trying heroes like Greymane because of your videos. Again, start from more basic first then slowly move to basic hero build and tips that any new players can play. Thank you!
He's been uploading vids for 3 years already.
He has a Discord channel for private coaching.
He has all kinds of vids, carry to master, low leagues, how to play, common errors, builds, patches, coaching of players at different levels..
If you took the liberty of actually checking the channel and his content, you wouldn't be writing such a poor review.
And I mean poor because you clearly have no idea about what you're saying.
@@tomvittino I have been watching his channel over a year and I do know what I talking about. I even read some of his comments on these past videos and I'm not the only one think so. I know a person who was coach by NotParadox told me this, "He is an amazing coach and knows this stuff/" Well summary of it and now after recent videos, he stopped watching his videos. There is a differece between being coached vs a tip and tricks video.
All I'm saying is that Low ranks are more of coaching rather than a few videos. Also , update videos on example like lannng now after Deathwing launch vs year ago lanning video. Many changes happen so, an update video will be nice.
P.s. you need to read my comment next time and stop being a fanboy and defending him his some god. I only giving suggestions not demand or your too high in the rank to understand?
@@TransPyra The term 'carry' isn't being used here as a guaranteed win, because as we all know, Heroes is a team game. What he means by carrying is that you can use the heroes he's showed as having more of an impact on the game than your teammates, or other, less valuable heroes to *boost* your winrate, not bring it to 100%. He is aware of that, and most of the people watching his videos are aware of that. A macro video like what you're suggesting isn't gonna bring you all the way to carrying 100% of your games either. That's impossible. You're also not doing anything to back up your claims.
@@TransPyra That said, I do agree that I would like to see some updated macro videos--map specific ones would be really handy. I agree with you there.
@@Xanthanarium Its not about "carry" or "100%" It about knowing the game. These are the "term" we use and some players still don't know that. Esspaslly in low rank. It just that when Deathwing comes out, old and new might come and we need a refresher on the basics. That being said, my previses comment is to tell him the same thing you're telling me. If you want proof then I'm making my own videos to back-up my claims.