I was struck when I saw the skyline in the movie. It was as if medieval builders begun constructing skyscrapers, I loved it. Instead the flat tops of a newyork skyline, you had the spires and steep angled roofs of gothic architecture, it was wel... Gotham
It's such a rare joy to stumble across an expert in their field, and to be given the space to watch them explore their thoughts freely on the topic of their expertise, and to be able, even in a small way, to catch some of their obsession. subbed.
Amazing video mate after finishing The Penguin. So much knowledge about so many niches of architecture that many other of the prolific architecture channels seldomly touch upon. Thank you!
45:58 so i just rechecked from the fandom, i don't know if this is accidental or not but the waynes originally came from Scotland and have a castle there (at least in northern england) called waynemoor castle. So it could be that they brought the designs of that castle to gotham so it's a nice choice of buildings
Amazing video and analysis! It's endlessly fascinating what they've managed to make of Gotham city in the film, and this deep dive, for me, just enhanced this already solid vision, as the carefully chosen architecture and subtly designed world building of Gotham just mirrors or matches the layered story and characters ! In fewer words, Great Video, Great Movie!
Before Matt Reeves' Gotham, my favorite version of the city was from Fox's Gotham. Both uses a similar style and effect for creating the city. Also great video.
I must admit, I've not seen the older ones though what I have seen is clearly more of a design than Nolan's is. Who knows though, I may end up adding their Gotham's to the slate of videos in future!
That's great to hear!! I want to make sure even as we potentially talk about more and more complicated things, that hopefully I'll be able to explain it to those who have no prior knowledge!
I would love to see a continuation of this focusing on The Penguin and what it did different with Gotham, especially with the Falcone Family mansion and what it has to say about them. Fantastic video!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! Taking a bit of a break (10 months of work alongside my job as an architect is a little tiring) then get back to researching the next video!
You might also like the video game Deus Ex: Human Revolution which does the same thing with Renaissance architecture (and fashion etc). As a fellow architecture student, I was obsessed with its design as a teenager.
Great video, informed and all encompassing. This has been the most detailed Gotham we have and it's sublime. I also love the way they make Gotham seem never ending by extending the city in the wide panoramic shots beyond the screen, reminds me of São Paulo and it's dystopian size that stretches into the horizon. Small correction though, St George's Hall isn't Neo-Grecian, it's Neo-Classical, as it mixes Neo-Roman architecture with the presence of arches. To be Neo-Grecian it couldn't have arches as Greeks didn't have arches.
True, thanks for that correction! My notes in university about its reconstruction referred to it burning, I believe I just conflated the two by accident
Haha wonderful! I've started to notice production design more and more since I started this channel, so hopefully I'll be able to bring more movies to you like this
First time the new algorithm has shown me a low-views video I actually want to watch; awesome content dude, keep this quality up and your channel has to blow up
Must admit I spent most of the last episode waiting for this building and oh boy it did not disappoint! La Couronne! I must admit, it was the first time the entire series (other than the first episode which reused sets) where I felt like I was actually in Gotham or at least looking at an aspect of Gotham La Couronne, otherwise, The Crown I can almost guarantee that it is inspire by the Flatiron Building in New York, famous for it's particularly angled wedge like shape. Though it isn't the Flatiron, the flatiron is a lot "flatter" it comes from an architectural style where the ornamentation is meant emphasis the structure of the building. Thus there are external "stone" columns which run up the façade, they represent the steel frame of the building inside the walls which is the actual structure. La Couronne on the other hand, well it doesn't do this instead presenting us with this large bulbous end which warps the shape of the building and the many balconies which protrude from the elevation. It is all very ornate, and very Baroque! I would also be remiss not to mention the collision of styles once again as the ground floor bears the Neo-Grecian design creating a very very overt rustification layer, like we saw in the movie I truly hope we get to see more of it in Batman 2, and who knows we may return to break down that movie and get to discuss it in more depth
Also on a quick note, Gotham City Hall. Its a little odd, this building is not a new building to the series. Its meant to be the same building as the one with the funeral from the movie but the building they're using isn't St Georges Hall. They've replaced it with some other building. I must admit, it's quite amusing to see the halls of the building more accurately represent a neoclassic building in comparison to the Gothic interior in the movie.
@@StudioNullProductions I could not agree more. I grew up with Nolan's movies and they are good but ever since I saw it The Batman has become my favorite Batman movie. The look, the cast, the story it just fits.
Yeah, rewatching the dark knight series for the Nolan critique, it was somewhat disappointing to go from Batman Begins to Dark Knight, I feel like had Nolan built on the production design especially of Batman Begins he could have had a great Gotham on his hands
Yeah, pretty much any shot you see of Gotham that shows like the whole city. The flooded city is a pretty good example, but those shots are just of Chicago
10:52 This is the 2nd time this mismatch occurs. You say "Chicago", but the subtitle states "New York". The subtitle is correct, right? 24:02 Old money Waynes (and Arkhams) 😎
Warner's move to the U.K. for production has felt like a double-edged sword to me. Reeves' interpretation of Gotham is probably my second favorite rendition of the main setting, and all of the other U.K. based Gotham productions have kind of felt lacking in comparison. Glasgow just doesn't feel like a believable Gotham, or even like a well-thought-out piece of production design. In The Flash it just feels too clean and too bright, something which worked for Birds of Prey (which was filmed in LA) but doesn't match the admittingly equally lack luster Gotham seen in Batman V. Superman or Justice League. It feels like the city was somehow turned around overnight and that all the grunge and dirt has been washed away with a few pushes of a mop. It's not believable and it doesn't fit into the established world. Batgirl could have fixed that... but we'll never fully know. Reeves was a director with a good eye, but it feels like Gotham was an afterthought in the mainline DC projects. Also, just adding this, but I feel like the LA based Gotham in Birds of Prey is meant to reflect a domestic and independent Harley, someone who pops down to the local bodega, is friends with the owner of the restaurant she lives above and is familiar with the various markets and stalls. The city is bright and comforting because that's how she views the world she lives in, which is in stark contrast to the more foreign or depressing areas of the city. The pier, ACE Chemicals, and her former hideout are dark and covered in fog, possibly reflecting less than positive memories connected to Joker, looking more like the Gotham we are used to. This isn't too weird of a concept as both Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad (The James Gunn one) show Harley re-interpreting the world around her, making it more bright, welcoming, and colorful. This is mostly seen during Harley's escape in Suicide Squad where she is surrounded by flowers, animated birds, and the sweet sounds of Louis Prima rather than visions of blood splatters, grunts, and violence. This isn't to say that Birds of Prey has an amazing Gotham, just that its interpretation is more well throughout and stylized compared to the other DCEU Gotham's. Hope that makes sense.
Oh I'm interested now, what's your favourite if this is your second? I also agree, that the sets felt like an afterthought for the DCEU, I would argue the same for Dark Knight and Dark Knight returns as well. Though I'm fine with UK being used as a base plate for Gotham, you do need that extra layer of grim on everything I agree. Oh and the birds of prey is a very cool observation, it's been awhile since I've seen it but that wouldn't surprise me. Even without seeing the world through Harley's eyes, it's a good storytelling technique to showcase where Harley feels safe and comfortable and where she's on edge.
@@StudioNullProductions Both versions of Burton's Gotham are still my favorite with the undressed backlot sets of the 60s tv series coming in at third behind the Reeves interpretation. The sets in the Burton films scratch that otherworldly exaggerated gothic feel of the mid 80s to mid 90s comics and have the advantage of being built as a single cohesive world from scratch. The Reeves locations feel like they're more thought out, but I sometimes felt a disconnect between the locations and interior sets which made me feel like they existed on two separate planes. Then the 60s sets and backlot are just a fun campy studio vibe, not really a great looking or cohesive Gotham, but it feels like the same world no matter what set or exterior the characters are inhabiting.
Well who knows in future I may return to Gotham and have a look at the others, and perhaps I'll end up breaking down Burton's Gotham as well though I have plenty of ideas to explore prior! I agree there is a disconnect in Reeves' interiors and exteriors, I don't mention it in the video but The Batman was filmed during Covid and I think this is what impacted their set location choices. I believe they had already made the decision for Gotham Square to be in Liverpool featuring Walker Art Gallery and County Session House, and being in Liverpool gives them access to the Liver Building and other UK places like London (Two Temple Place), Glasgow (Necropolis) but the issue comes with Liverpool. Liverpool has 2 cathedrals, Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral which is the biggest and most central cathedral but does not remotely represent a cathedral that matches their Gothic Cathedral concept art for the interior set. The other is Liverpool Cathedral which although being closer to most people's ideas of a Cathedral in fact it's major entrance is a car park thus the entrance shots wouldn't have been as interesting or dramatic. And since they were already closing down part of Liverpool to shoot besides Walker Art Gallery and Country Session House, I believe it was just easier for them and the city for them to just use St Georges Hall which is right next door. I have to imagine given the choice, they would have had a different exterior set for the funeral scene but Covid forced them into a decision and they had to make the most of it. And I'm sure it would have looked great like the rest of the sets! But part of me also thinks its even more beautiful because of these weird dichotomies in this world.
I had the pipe dream to do my part bringing Gotham into the world during my stint studying architecture, but I suffered "how about no syndrome" to it as a career path after prolonged exposure to Frank Gehry and Zaha Hadid, alas
Sorry noone wants a "realistic " Gotham. I want the huge statues everywhere like in the tim burton ones! I still wish cities were like that. Now thats a tourist attraction! Lol
I was struck when I saw the skyline in the movie. It was as if medieval builders begun constructing skyscrapers, I loved it. Instead the flat tops of a newyork skyline, you had the spires and steep angled roofs of gothic architecture, it was wel... Gotham
Exactly where Im at with it!!
If classical architecture stayed dominant and we got stuff like that? I’d be a very happy man
Im an Architecture student and The Batman is one of my favourite films of all time. This is exactly the content i want to see lol
We love to hear it!! Hopefully your studies go well
a 50 minutes deep dive on Mat Reeves’s Gotham? Hell Yeah!!!
Hahah honestly I was surprised by just how deep my research could go, Matt Reeves and James Chinlund truly did make something incredible
It's such a rare joy to stumble across an expert in their field, and to be given the space to watch them explore their thoughts freely on the topic of their expertise, and to be able, even in a small way, to catch some of their obsession. subbed.
Omg this makes so much sense now… I live in Liverpool and every once in a while I get the vibe that I’m in Gotham
i watched this whole video, and thought this was gonna be a channel with like atleast a hundred thousand subs but only 39 is crazy. mad talent
Hahah thanks! Hopefully the next videos only get better
How long did it take u to make his @@StudioNullProductions
10 months
Amazing video mate after finishing The Penguin. So much knowledge about so many niches of architecture that many other of the prolific architecture channels seldomly touch upon. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!!
2:55 interesting fact Liverpool did used to have a suspended railway, unfortunately it was got rid of
Oh that is interesting! And the fact its death didnt come from Thatcher is even wilder!
I don't think I've ever paid more attention to anything in my entire life.
Hahah well I hope the attention was worth it!
so funny, was literally just on a walk past the liver building from the thumbnail before I watched this video!!
Hahah thats incredible! You see a Batman jumping off the tower at all?
@@StudioNullProductions yeah he still can't stick the landing tho :/
45:58 so i just rechecked from the fandom, i don't know if this is accidental or not but the waynes originally came from Scotland and have a castle there (at least in northern england) called waynemoor castle. So it could be that they brought the designs of that castle to gotham so it's a nice choice of buildings
Oooooh very interesting!! I did not know that, them originally bringing their architecture with them would make sense!
This is a fantastic breakdown and examination. I hope we see more of your work.
Amazing video and analysis! It's endlessly fascinating what they've managed to make of Gotham city in the film, and this deep dive, for me, just enhanced this already solid vision, as the carefully chosen architecture and subtly designed world building of Gotham just mirrors or matches the layered story and characters ! In fewer words, Great Video, Great Movie!
One of the best videos about the Batman I have ever seen
Damn! Well sounds like a high bar, thanks for the praise!
Everything I learn about this movie makes my respect for Reeves' creative vision double in size- this was such a good dive into the worldbuilding !!
Before Matt Reeves' Gotham, my favorite version of the city was from Fox's Gotham. Both uses a similar style and effect for creating the city.
Also great video.
I must admit, I've not seen the older ones though what I have seen is clearly more of a design than Nolan's is. Who knows though, I may end up adding their Gotham's to the slate of videos in future!
@@StudioNullProductions That would be really cool.
this is an amazing video omg also the way you explain things is so easy to understand
That's great to hear!! I want to make sure even as we potentially talk about more and more complicated things, that hopefully I'll be able to explain it to those who have no prior knowledge!
You do not know much I’ve been wanting a video like this!! And you made it 50 minutes long, thank you so much!!
Hahah no problem! Glad I could help, hopefully it was in depth enough
I would love to see a continuation of this focusing on The Penguin and what it did different with Gotham, especially with the Falcone Family mansion and what it has to say about them. Fantastic video!
This is absolutely incredible
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! Taking a bit of a break (10 months of work alongside my job as an architect is a little tiring) then get back to researching the next video!
Very informative video. I enjoyed every moment of if. A massive well done for putting up this amazing piece of work.
You might also like the video game Deus Ex: Human Revolution which does the same thing with Renaissance architecture (and fashion etc). As a fellow architecture student, I was obsessed with its design as a teenager.
Good video, my dude. I expect your channel will grow quickly if you keep up this quality
Thank you! Hopefully the quality keeps improving as I learn and get better
I hope Metropolis gets this much attention to detail in the next Superman film.
Incredible video!!!!!!!! Easiest sub this year ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Great video, informed and all encompassing.
This has been the most detailed Gotham we have and it's sublime. I also love the way they make Gotham seem never ending by extending the city in the wide panoramic shots beyond the screen, reminds me of São Paulo and it's dystopian size that stretches into the horizon.
Small correction though, St George's Hall isn't Neo-Grecian, it's Neo-Classical, as it mixes Neo-Roman architecture with the presence of arches. To be Neo-Grecian it couldn't have arches as Greeks didn't have arches.
This and everything to do with Penguin were BY FAR the best aspects of The Batman 2022 film.
Awesome video, didn't look away once!
Nice!! I'm glad I was able to keep you entertained!
dont know much about architecture but i enjoyed this video very much. you get a sub mate
That's all good, glad you enjoyed it still! Hopefully I'll be able to teach you some stuff going forwards
wow, amazing video!
8:01 Westminster Palace was not destroyed in the 1666 Great Fire of London. It burned in 1834.
True, thanks for that correction! My notes in university about its reconstruction referred to it burning, I believe I just conflated the two by accident
incredible video mate, needed a deep dive on this Gotham
Well, I'm glad I could provide!
One of, if not the best, superhero movies ever made . Awesome vid !
That abandoned station at the bottom of Wayne Tower was probs supposed to be used by the public, like Grand Central Terminal or Pennsylvania Station.
Yeah quite possibly, there certainly is several tracks leading there and the design is quite ornate, so that wouldn't surprise me.
Could you do for The Penguin as well?
Great Video
Awesome way to start my morning
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
Watching this while studying the Doric Order. Love to see the detail they put into movies like this. Fuel for the fire!
Haha wonderful! I've started to notice production design more and more since I started this channel, so hopefully I'll be able to bring more movies to you like this
this is my favourite batman film and this video was super cool and well put together :D
I agree with you on it being my favourite batman! And Im glad you liked it!
amazing vid. please do more movie set breakdowns like this please
keep it up bro nice vid
Thanks! I plan to, guess I'll have to get started on that next script soon! Dont want it taking another 10 months this time
great video, thanks mate
Thanks!! Glad you enjoyed it, hope you learned something at least haha
Wow what a strong open
To be honest Matt Reeves Gotham isn't really realistic at all Smosh fantastical Gotham we seen in a long time.
First time the new algorithm has shown me a low-views video I actually want to watch; awesome content dude, keep this quality up and your channel has to blow up
Thanks hahah I feel like your profile picture may have been a bit of a giveaway!
Amazing video
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. Quick question for you architecture buff- in the last scene of the last episode of the Penguin, what real life building is that based on?
Oh, I'll have to get back to you on that! I've not yet been able to watch the finale
@ right on! It’s a good one, enjoy it when you get around to it
Must admit I spent most of the last episode waiting for this building and oh boy it did not disappoint!
La Couronne!
I must admit, it was the first time the entire series (other than the first episode which reused sets) where I felt like I was actually in Gotham or at least looking at an aspect of Gotham
La Couronne, otherwise, The Crown
I can almost guarantee that it is inspire by the Flatiron Building in New York, famous for it's particularly angled wedge like shape. Though it isn't the Flatiron, the flatiron is a lot "flatter" it comes from an architectural style where the ornamentation is meant emphasis the structure of the building. Thus there are external "stone" columns which run up the façade, they represent the steel frame of the building inside the walls which is the actual structure.
La Couronne on the other hand, well it doesn't do this instead presenting us with this large bulbous end which warps the shape of the building and the many balconies which protrude from the elevation. It is all very ornate, and very Baroque!
I would also be remiss not to mention the collision of styles once again as the ground floor bears the Neo-Grecian design creating a very very overt rustification layer, like we saw in the movie
I truly hope we get to see more of it in Batman 2, and who knows we may return to break down that movie and get to discuss it in more depth
Also on a quick note, Gotham City Hall. Its a little odd, this building is not a new building to the series. Its meant to be the same building as the one with the funeral from the movie but the building they're using isn't St Georges Hall. They've replaced it with some other building. I must admit, it's quite amusing to see the halls of the building more accurately represent a neoclassic building in comparison to the Gothic interior in the movie.
Love the video! Can't wait for more
Glad to hear it!! Hopefully you enjoy the stuff I have lined up
Amazing video !
You will do a part 2 with The Penguin ?
The Batman is a masterpiece.
100% I unironically make the claim that it is the best batman movie, higher than the dark knight
@@StudioNullProductions I could not agree more. I grew up with Nolan's movies and they are good but ever since I saw it The Batman has become my favorite Batman movie. The look, the cast, the story it just fits.
Yeah, rewatching the dark knight series for the Nolan critique, it was somewhat disappointing to go from Batman Begins to Dark Knight, I feel like had Nolan built on the production design especially of Batman Begins he could have had a great Gotham on his hands
What books do you recommend I use as a reference in trying to recreate gothic architecture through drawings and 3D models?
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A well put the other video thank you
Glad you liked it!
Hey dude I love that he used Chicago
Yeah, pretty much any shot you see of Gotham that shows like the whole city. The flooded city is a pretty good example, but those shots are just of Chicago
this modern batman
of course, i will watch a 50-minute video about a Gotham I does not look like a normal city and actually looks like a bad place to live
Well, this will help me develop my modern fictional gothic city more
Yo that's awesome!! That's a great use of this knowledge!
I think you left in 2 takes in at 38:43
10:52 This is the 2nd time this mismatch occurs. You say "Chicago", but the subtitle states "New York". The subtitle is correct, right?
24:02 Old money Waynes (and Arkhams) 😎
20:00 I feel like its kinda messed up to take the ceiling and windows of a church that belonged to a whole community somewhere in spain
Oh! It is 10000% messed up!
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Warner's move to the U.K. for production has felt like a double-edged sword to me. Reeves' interpretation of Gotham is probably my second favorite rendition of the main setting, and all of the other U.K. based Gotham productions have kind of felt lacking in comparison. Glasgow just doesn't feel like a believable Gotham, or even like a well-thought-out piece of production design. In The Flash it just feels too clean and too bright, something which worked for Birds of Prey (which was filmed in LA) but doesn't match the admittingly equally lack luster Gotham seen in Batman V. Superman or Justice League. It feels like the city was somehow turned around overnight and that all the grunge and dirt has been washed away with a few pushes of a mop. It's not believable and it doesn't fit into the established world. Batgirl could have fixed that... but we'll never fully know. Reeves was a director with a good eye, but it feels like Gotham was an afterthought in the mainline DC projects.
Also, just adding this, but I feel like the LA based Gotham in Birds of Prey is meant to reflect a domestic and independent Harley, someone who pops down to the local bodega, is friends with the owner of the restaurant she lives above and is familiar with the various markets and stalls. The city is bright and comforting because that's how she views the world she lives in, which is in stark contrast to the more foreign or depressing areas of the city. The pier, ACE Chemicals, and her former hideout are dark and covered in fog, possibly reflecting less than positive memories connected to Joker, looking more like the Gotham we are used to. This isn't too weird of a concept as both Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad (The James Gunn one) show Harley re-interpreting the world around her, making it more bright, welcoming, and colorful. This is mostly seen during Harley's escape in Suicide Squad where she is surrounded by flowers, animated birds, and the sweet sounds of Louis Prima rather than visions of blood splatters, grunts, and violence. This isn't to say that Birds of Prey has an amazing Gotham, just that its interpretation is more well throughout and stylized compared to the other DCEU Gotham's. Hope that makes sense.
Oh I'm interested now, what's your favourite if this is your second?
I also agree, that the sets felt like an afterthought for the DCEU, I would argue the same for Dark Knight and Dark Knight returns as well. Though I'm fine with UK being used as a base plate for Gotham, you do need that extra layer of grim on everything I agree.
Oh and the birds of prey is a very cool observation, it's been awhile since I've seen it but that wouldn't surprise me. Even without seeing the world through Harley's eyes, it's a good storytelling technique to showcase where Harley feels safe and comfortable and where she's on edge.
@@rottensquid That's because Birds of Prey was filmed in LA.
@@StudioNullProductions Both versions of Burton's Gotham are still my favorite with the undressed backlot sets of the 60s tv series coming in at third behind the Reeves interpretation. The sets in the Burton films scratch that otherworldly exaggerated gothic feel of the mid 80s to mid 90s comics and have the advantage of being built as a single cohesive world from scratch. The Reeves locations feel like they're more thought out, but I sometimes felt a disconnect between the locations and interior sets which made me feel like they existed on two separate planes. Then the 60s sets and backlot are just a fun campy studio vibe, not really a great looking or cohesive Gotham, but it feels like the same world no matter what set or exterior the characters are inhabiting.
Well who knows in future I may return to Gotham and have a look at the others, and perhaps I'll end up breaking down Burton's Gotham as well though I have plenty of ideas to explore prior!
I agree there is a disconnect in Reeves' interiors and exteriors, I don't mention it in the video but The Batman was filmed during Covid and I think this is what impacted their set location choices. I believe they had already made the decision for Gotham Square to be in Liverpool featuring Walker Art Gallery and County Session House, and being in Liverpool gives them access to the Liver Building and other UK places like London (Two Temple Place), Glasgow (Necropolis) but the issue comes with Liverpool.
Liverpool has 2 cathedrals, Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral which is the biggest and most central cathedral but does not remotely represent a cathedral that matches their Gothic Cathedral concept art for the interior set. The other is Liverpool Cathedral which although being closer to most people's ideas of a Cathedral in fact it's major entrance is a car park thus the entrance shots wouldn't have been as interesting or dramatic. And since they were already closing down part of Liverpool to shoot besides Walker Art Gallery and Country Session House, I believe it was just easier for them and the city for them to just use St Georges Hall which is right next door.
I have to imagine given the choice, they would have had a different exterior set for the funeral scene but Covid forced them into a decision and they had to make the most of it. And I'm sure it would have looked great like the rest of the sets! But part of me also thinks its even more beautiful because of these weird dichotomies in this world.
I had the pipe dream to do my part bringing Gotham into the world during my stint studying architecture, but I suffered "how about no syndrome" to it as a career path after prolonged exposure to Frank Gehry and Zaha Hadid, alas
2:38 are those M-LOK MOE handguards on those rifles? 🤢🤮
I'm Always an Architect.
Hahah yeah!
Truly coming home from work, to just do work on my architectural research, it's a lot of my life haha
neo-gothic Gotham and art-deco Gotham are the best versions. Nolan's portrayal of Gotham was bland because it's just normal
I am actually inspired by how many of 21st century people with great minds take too lincoln university
Haha at the times of my studies, Lincoln Uni was top 10 for architecture in the UK
@StudioNullProductions that's actually amazing how good is it for student life btw
@@StudioNullProductions something I'm suprize that wasn't used as used was leeds town hall it's a fantastic building
amazing video, commie
Sorry noone wants a "realistic " Gotham. I want the huge statues everywhere like in the tim burton ones! I still wish cities were like that. Now thats a tourist attraction! Lol