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Shame. I saw "Dave takes it on" channel losing his mind at your last video without dealing with the facts... Poor guy was apoplectic. ua-cam.com/video/ijWkKTU-rYY/v-deo.html
congratulations, but you will have to spend much time to get any ICE car cause the tide has changed. The EU had been suddenly discussing if they should postpone the stop of ice cars in 2035 . But listen: the EU manufacturers were against it Why ? they have to get through now, not sometimes later and they have to clean the assembly plants to get ice free assembly lines. They will start to phase out all combustion engines and they are already no longer hiring ice engineers anymore, nor are they devloping any new ice engine for cars. And even though a bit complicated same is happening regardin 40 to trucks and even busses one way or the other. The europeans need to get ahead and stay in front of the chinese competition and the masses of cars and modells they can offer. USA will be dead cause 2 of the big three will be sleeping forever. Chrysler is getting Stellantis architecture. But get a mercedes amg now with a nice 4 cylinder - the days of AMG C63 with a 12 cylinder are gone. Game over what ever you might talk. And consumers will follow cause the manufacturers have realized that they are on the track making profits with EV cause battery prices have stalled by 45% and they are profitable. They also have seen the progress of battery developement is far far higher than any developemnt in the ICE world since the common rails introduction about 2 decades ago but with a lot of emission issues. China will not deliver ice cars, the japanese will also move ahead cause if not they will face taxes for not achieving the emission goals in the EU. I guess australia will get only FORD or GM cars in the future.
I saw a video on battery recycling. They took off the ally frame and the rest went into a huge vat and melted down. The liquid was poured into a mold and left to set. It went through a shredder and the bits were packed in those huge sacks with handles you get sand and gravel delivered in. What next? Shipped to a 3rd world country and buried. So green.
Maybe check your viewing history to find it and tell us who made the video. It would be nice to see. You remembered a lot of details except for a detail that could help us find it.
Is Germany or Korea 3rd world? Because they buy those huge sacks for pretty penny to extrac resources. If you dont like China as not 3rd world country.
its the same problem with plastics, we only CAN recycle less than 5% of it, whether its because of economic or chemical attributes. And recycling has been with us from the 60s, its taken three generations to... um... not really do anything. EVs are in a bit of a better place as its newer, we just need the holy grail tech that does at least the same like now but can easily recycle it.
@@xerr0n Recycling anything comes down to a simple equation, can it compete cost wise against using virgin material to make the same thing and in most cases the answer is no. If we put a price on the pollution created by the non recycled waste and add that to the production of the virgin product then the cost may become comparable but I don't see an government sprinting to do that as it would raise the price of just about every product we the people buy. I am not saying this is a reason to dismiss recycling, I am saying that it is the reason you will find it near impossible to sell. The general public love reducing pollution and recycling and electric transition this and that but as soon as you say that we will all have to wear an extra cost to things that like disappears. That is why governments almost never legislate in this area. As stated we have banned burying batteries here but that does not mean we can not bury them in another country like a lot of our waste was not so long ago. It is an issue that will have to be addressed but for now the can will be kicked down the road.
@@frasercrone3838 yup, you pretty much expand on what i meant with "economic" attributes also good notice on the switcheroo on the promises made and failed by just doing it somewhere else
Actually the most recyclable material is just the roads we drive on. Even motors require us separate different metals, but the roads are made to be an amalgamation of junk.
And finally, more used tires are being recycled. Some carbon black is made from tires. Recycling lithium is like de-emulsifying paint, unfrying an egg... Only 70 percent of lithium can be recycled. That means once the easy lithium is mined, significant lithium shortfall will keep prices high. Lithium is everywhere, but so is titanium. Being common does not mean a material is cheap. Hydrogen is also common.
Recently sold my EV after 9 months and have purchased a PHEV instead. Best decision ! Drive around in EV mode for short town trips and switch to fuel on longer trips. I love how I can also recharge the battery while driving on fuel as well as charge up traditionally at home wall box. Winning (disclaimer I am not a greenie tree hugger) 😂
@@aussieideasman8498 Diesels and estate cars. You must have an SUV with less space and some turbo charged peaky torque petrol engine that's underpowered unless on boost. Ford 1L, all reviews raved about the torque for such a small engine, and totally forgetting to load the car up and see how it copes on the motorway hills, one magazine commented on how they needed to take 4 people and camera gear in the 1L Focus and had to change down gears on the motorway and how poor the fuel consumption was.
@@WhiteDieselShed Yeah - what happened to Ford's Mondeo Diesel wagon? That was a great allrounder, and took hills with a full load like they were dead flat.
Re: EV insurance costs: EVs are also pushing up insurance for ICE vehicles. They use the same roads so in a collision between an EV an ICE vehicle there's a 50% (ish) chance that the ICE vehicle insurer will have to pick up the tab. The more EVs there are on the road, the more chance I have of hitting one when/if I screw up, and the more chance of my insurer having to send an EV to the scrapyard for damage that could be economically repaired on an ICE vehicle.
Good point - I don't think that many people will have thought of this. The other point is that they are making the roads more dangerous all around. The US authorities have just released figures showing that more Tesla drivers die per mile than any other brand. It's a combination of the dangerous "autopilot" system and the absurd acceleration that the typical driver can't handle. But presumably many of these accidents involve other road users, so we are all a greater risk - especially if the EV driver is in a bloated 3.5 tonne monster like the Cybertruck.
@@christiandisch8147 What kind of a point is that? If EVs are more dangerous and costly to run than other vehicles and this increases premiums, that is surely a significant drawback that's worthy of discussion?
@@christiandisch8147 The insurance company insures YOU against the risk of YOU getting sick. If other people like YOU start to get sick more often or more seriously then your premiums will increase. With vehicle insurance you're insuring yourself, amongst other things, against the risk of paying for repairs to other people's vehicles. Up until recently you were unlikely to crash into a vehicle that was expensive to repair because most repairs were to ICE cars: a couple of panels, some lights and a repaint. Now you're increasingly likely to crash into an EV where minor damage can result in the vehicle being scrapped because if the battery is compromised. So - higher premiums for everybody, not just EV drivers.
@@christiandisch8147 you only burn _part_ of the oil. Namely the petroleum fraction, which occupies about 10-15% of the overall content of crude oil as a whole once refined. The roads you drive on? Made from Bitumen, a petroleum product. The keyboard you're tapping on? That's made from a petroleum product. You'd be better off saving those batteries and scaling up installations of solar and wind to help power oil refineries tbf. If we can use renewables to power industry as a whole, as well as electrify the home, you'll hit 2/3rds of our emissions in one foul swoop.
I'm still waiting 24 years later for my flying car they said we would have in 2000! Don't even get me started on fusion energy, it's just 20 years away right guys, Guys?
This problem is very easy to solve. They just need to create a bitcoin battery. We all know the energy used for mining is stored in Bitcoin on a ledger. Just connect your Bitcoin wallet to the EV motor and you have basically unlimited energy without any weight. ;)
He tells it how he sees it. If he was truly neutral, he might not zoom in on Tesla so much. There are other EV makers these days, most of which aren't run by eccentric CEOs.
I get the argument that an EV won't cut it for towing a caravan across the Great Central Road but the comments about fire are disingenuous. With data corroborated from a US insurer, a study by the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency found that EVs suffer 25 fires per 100,000 sold. Petrol or diesel vehicles were found to experience 1,530 fires per 100,000, with hybrid vehicles at a notably higher risk of 3,475 fires per 100,000. Furthermore, salary sacrifice specialist Tusker, owned by Lloyds, has 30,000 EVs in its fleet, none of which has caught fire. The current tally of EV Firesafe in Australia since 2010 stands at 6, according to EV Safe which is referenced by a number of emergency services. One of those was a battery which caught fire after it was removed from the car. One was arson. One was from damage caused by road debris and the other 3 were parked in buildings which caught fire.....
I worked for dealer that sold PHEV’s a small relay went poopy in a battery pack but we weren’t allowed to replace it because that meant opening the battery pack we were instructed to replace the whole pack( it was 3 months old) under warranty and send the old battery pack back. I saw quotes for $15,000 for replacement batteries for cars out of warranty that’s close to a decade of fuel for an average driver and the cars were 8-10 years old that needed them. It’s just not worth it.
bottom line is the simplest argument - cost (without subsidies) of (1) purchase + (2) maintenance + (3) resale + (4) insurance + (5) fuel + (6) tyres&consumables - if EVs are the way, the 5-year cost of ownership should come out on top for the avg car. And we are not even counting the hiden costs of (7) wasting your time waiting for rechages, (8) extra wear&tear on roads thanks to extra weight, (9) projected rise in costs of electricity to compensate for loss of government tax revenue from pertrol sales, (10) taxpayer-funded additions to electricity grid
Thankyou for having the balls to see reality ,taking the time to research the facts and speak some common sense ( it’s obviously not as common as one would be led to believe ) will EVs be the Edsel of the 20s ?
@@christiandisch8147 Look it up - it's not hard. My calculations put it at approximately 58 years using the data from ourworldindata (They use incompatible units for oil use (Energy) and oil reserves (Tonnes) though, so I had to convert to kilogram equivalent oil to compare them). The really interesting thing is that for developed countries oil consumption has been remarkably flat or slowly dropping for the last few decades. The biggest surprise is that while US oil consumption is higher than anywhere else, including China, which runs all the factories where their stuff is made, US oil use has been quite steady since the 1970s, peaking in the mid 2000s... Chinese oil consumption has been steadily increasing to approaching US levels until last year though whether the drop is efficiency related or a sign of their economy tanking, I don't know. The critical issue isn't how much oil is left, the issue is how much more environmental carnage burning it will cause. A lifestyle that involves consuming orders of magnitude more energy than a human can output on their own is the problem. Cars of any kind are a symptom of how normalised using massively more energy than human scale is in many societies, because there should be no reason for one human to need 1.5 tonnes of steel (Or 3 if it's a large SUV or electric vehicle) to transport them around the place.
I absolutely appreciate your way of thinking. For a moment, a quite long and nauseous moment, I thought I really did have “Smell-A-Vison” technology in my phone from the “I don’t give a crap” comment. Then I noticed the dog lying next to the couch. …Whew we…
I read an article "before covid" that there was a joint Germany / Czech Republic Government group which actually designed and ran a pilot plant to safely recycle EV batteries. They concluded that it would never be commercially possible, so, if countries did insist on properly recycling EV batteries, they would have to do it themselves on the taxpayer.
Duck, reasons are fling over your head. It's not that they aren't "good enough", it's that they are worse than doing nothing. Even hybrids will lead to an ecological disaster. Mild-hybrid (48-volt) systems are justifiable, anything larger is not. Development of combustion engines COULD save more energy (reduce emissions), but the research money goes into the dead-end that is battery tech.
And the fuel to power the combustion engine of the hybrid is infinite? If anything, clinging to burning oil is regrettable, because one thing is for sure: we will run out of oil.
@christiandisch8147 There is more recoverable oil in the Gulf of Mexico than the U.S. has consumed since 1860. The best argument for EVs is the conservation of petroleum. Rising cost of petroleum will disrupt the global economy. The environment can somewhat be cleaned-up only when economies are strong
So to re-fill and Petrol car with say 1/2 of a 50L tank with 25L/week at say $2/L costs $50. So to recharge and EV from 1/2 to Full of a 64 kwh battery with 32 kwh at say $0.28/kwh (at home) costs $9 (approx). So to operate a fully paid off vehicle each week would be cheaper to go for the EV (all other things being equal). I do have a fully paid off EV and do use it for its utilitarian purpose of city travel and before you go of your rocker I still have my 2012 Hyundai I30. To give you people a perspective, my last refill of the I30 (last week) for a recent 2 weeks of driving cost $50 (for 300kms, at the low end of the cycle) while for 2 weeks of same driving the EV costs 2 weeks at 20 kwh/wk at 0.28 is $11. If you are lucky to have solar you would pay a heck of lot less than above (I do not have solar nor home batteries). I do agree with the sentiment that EVs will NEVER be a transport solution for EVERYTHING, but it can alleviate many city driving issues relating localized air pollution. I also agree there are many "infrastructure" issues with EV support, but over time we can address them with better solutions than we have now. On last point that often gets forgotten in the discussion between EVs and ICE is that we a beholden to Asia for the majority of our fuel supply (Diesel/Petrol) and the last report says we have about 27 days of it rather than the legislated 90 days. So be wary of the availability of petrol/diesel should the supply be impacted by political or other events. I know people will say that is unlikely to happen, that's what they said until there was a refinery fire that knocked out part of the plant leaving us very vulnerable.
Well, legislation in EU and UK doesn't seem to care if a vehicle is urban or not. In 10 years, all ICE vehicles are no more to be sold (new). And that irritates many of the folks . Rightfully so, I think. As for the dependency of Asia, batteries are almost entirely refined and manufactured in China. So, essentially the dependency remains in Asia, only moves a bit to the East of Asia. Take a guess why China is the cheapest place to refine Li? Hint: it's not because nobody else knows how to do it.
China are the No1 producer of EV batteries as they've been investing for years in African and South American mining. That and a very protectionist manufacturing base, backed up by lax environmental and health and safety regulation.
64kWh is equal to 6,4L petrol or diesel. That's not impressive at all. 2,8$ is equal to 1L diesel or petrol. A tank of diesel or petrol contains 700kWh and weights the most 70kg. To charge the same amount of energy compared to one tank of petrol or diesel cost apporx 200$. Your EV has only 1/4 of the range so it will cost you more + constant but slow battrery declning.
How are the solar and battery sale going? You know that you will sell more of this, now that the EV sales in Australia have increased to over 10%. Why do people want a fossile car? It's slower, more expensive (subsidies 28.125 USD through oil), use oil controlled by a corrupt cartel, heavier with all the fluids, more expensive fuel, shits in our neighbors air, and burn less than every minutt world wide. That's 10-20 times more than an EV. That's true numbers from Norway, where 1/4 of all cars are EV's on the road. The EV's in Norway drive more than fossile cars. And, in the winter they work better.
@@geirvinje2556 I think that you're the dreamer that John is referring to duuuuude. Did you watch the video at all or would it have made your head explode? Don't you find it ironic that Norway made so much off fossil fuels and then uses that money to give EVs the price advantage through legislation that they otherwise would never have had? You think that an ICE vehicle with fluids is heavier than a comparative EV and that EVs work better in Winter then? Hands out of your pockets duuuude.
Nice reality check once again. And, I didn't mind the Manscape advert either. It was just missing a Martini, with two olives, and a Brazilian flag on the toothpick. Stu. Melbourne
Question: Do PHEVs still cause more issues than conventional hybrids? I remember from one of your earlier discussions, you mentioned that PHEVs combine multiple systems-dual drivetrains, dual fuel sources, and potentially double the maintenance. Have your views on this changed?
To add on to the statement about using the same volume of li-ion batteries to make PHEVS, or home storage batteries, they can also be used to make a bunch of ebikes, which would be better for their owner’s health and the planet than a “lardy-arsed Electric SUV”
Mustang Mach E? $40,000 of depreciation in 500 miles of driving must have the owner contemplating suicide. If this happens enough, the owners will start up a class-action lawsuit and sue Ford for damages.
The real reason for the push towards BEVs in the West and China, is to lower their Oil imports. Even if using Greenwashing. But now, faced with reality of that switch, won't be remotely surprising if BEVs are dumped, with advancements into Synthetic fuels as Fuel Cell technology.
That’s bullshit. Beijing and Shanghai were drowning in their own smog. They needed to get rid of ICE cars so people could breathe. What happened in the west was a happy side effect of engineers in the Chinese companies getting their shit together. Took them 15 years
@@christiandisch8147 If Politicians weren't so obtuse, they could promote the use of Ethanol and LPG blends with Gasoline, as renewing the car fleet, for more efficient ICE cars. BEVs make sense for urban as light duty automotive applications. Bigger batteries means more consumption of Natural Resources. Trading Carbon emissions with the destruction of Ecosystems.
i truly wonder what word got filtered with my second reply (you can see the third and hopefully this as well) Heres what i wrote in short: nobody wants to do it with filters
Thank you, John, for the common sense of part 1 and 2 on EV's I can't wait for the your response to the comments it certainly does lower my blood pressure
@@AutoExpertJC *Elon sold the best selling car 2023 beating out gas cars, the CYBER TRUCK is the most pre-ordered car ever with 2.2 million orders, FSD now $100/month means the $7,000/car profit he makes he makes a new car profit on FSD every 18 months with every subscription-for every car sold after Oct 2016, you don't really think Elon craps his pants about just another ill informed mechanic moaning about EV's do you?*
@@mohammadwasilliterate8037 I'd just like him to crap his pants about the recyclability of his battery packs and maybe stop burning all the methane that propels his rockets in to space. Is that too much to ask?
@@mohammadwasilliterate8037 2.2 million people have allegedly put down a $100 deposit for a Cybertruck, which was the whole objective of the operation. The trucks will never be made. It's just a scam to part gullible people from their money.
I am sure if we could go back in time you could have argued the same thing when the car took over from the horse and cart. I can’t wait to not have to think about oil, oil filter, petrol filter, oil changes. Love it that you have a wonderful advert for trimmers full of lithium batteries. Battery technology is in its infancy compared the last hundred and twenty years of petrol development.
Happy to see you recognise the advantages of PHEV's. I see those as the best solution for perhaps the majority of people, but in any case the main thing is people should have a choice between EV, PHEV and ICE vehicles. Let the best selling vehicles win!
There is only one winner with ICE vehicles. It’s the multinational oil company that refined the crude oil in to petrol, plastic and tyres . In an EV only the petrol is deleted from the equation but that is the bit most highly taxed
I bought a 2024 Kia Picanto Sport as a replacement for my second car a 2004 Hyundai Getz. It was the least that I could do as my way of saving Planet Earth. Amortisation and all of that.
You will never lose as much in depreciation on your Picanto as all EV’s will. Not only that, your Picanto’s fuel tank won’t get smaller the more that you use it.
Keep it up about re-cycling John. I know, have seen, many times the glass collecting trucks come in from their trips around the street glass bins, and dump straight into the landfill area at the depot. Apparently no batch of glass can stand more than 15% (?) recycled material. there's a lot more to why, than I can be bothered to type. We should go back to returnable bottles where possible, and grind the rest up to use instead of sand in road building concrete,or other public works. I have no reason to think that other material recycling is any more useful. Perhaps, considering your area of public expertise, you should espouse the tyre recycling cause, perhaps recycled tyres, topping glass concrete roads ?
Recycling does not need to be commercially viable. Nobody has come up with a cheaper way for me to dispose of my used engine oil than dumping it in the storm water drain, yet I wear the cost of driving it down to my local recycling depot.
A few high profile car companies now walking their EV only chant back to a Hybrid and ICE option. There will be a place for the EV but it won’t be in the main stream and my guess is it will end up in a museum or as a weekend toy. It is amazing how many of those in power do not understand what the cost and implications of EV really is. Why can’t the manufacturers apply the technology and time into more efficient combustion engines ?
@@CheapCheerfulThat's because science and physics says it works. There is no reason to stop advancement now (40% efficiency is very doable and 50% has been achieved (at great expense) in Formula 1. Combined with new fuels the future is bright for ICE development. In case you're not keeping score, that's with zero coal burned for operation, vs. tons for electricity generation to operate a BEV. Unless you have a solar array on your roof -- in that case congratulations.
Combustion engines have a theoretical limit imposed by thermodynamics. As far as I know we're pretty close to that limit by now. Sure there are a few tricks like smaller displacement and forced induction, but ultimately we're going to run out of oil anyways. Depending on your age, it'll even be in your lifetime.
@@christiandisch8147 I've been hearing from all the smartest people in the popular press for about 50 years that the oil is going to run out. In 1975 all those smart people were saying all the oil would be gone by the year 2000. Almost 50 years later, and there are still 50 years of proven reserves.
At least Tesla switched from pink epoxy to green epoxy between Model Y 4680 Structural Battery and Cybertruck 4680 Structural Battery. Getting greener, but not a bit easier to repair. SuperCaps lost to Lithium-Ion on busses. Volvo had a bus factory in Finland and they used regen and super capasitors in their hybrid engine, but it was closed already in 2009.
I'm dreading the day that EVs are finally put to the sword!....I get such a buzz from Johns regular Video's......I hope he has got an alternative windmill to tilt at, otherwise................
I have a question that you may have answered before but if you did I missed it. Because of the weight increase of an EV, particularly models that have been previously diesel or petrol models, do the manufacturer's have to beef up the safety crumple zones or roof pillars to allow for accidents resulting in a front end collision or the vehicle overturning?
Uh... exactly whose home has a Tesla Super Charger!? Nobody mate. The most hardcore home chargers are 22kw, but most people don't need them. Mine is just 2kW, runs off a standard outlet, and I only need to use it once per week since I work from home 50% of the week.
@@CheapCheerful I'm pretty sure that he is just exemplifying the amount of current required to fast charge a typical EV battery. It's a lot. Homes don't have fast chargers because there just isn't the available current to run them.
@@JacquesMartini You Smart Guy... :) You found the perfect electric car owner, they have money but no brains and do not actually need a car but its the in thing to buy. A few years back it was a dyson vacuum then a 600$ hairdryer so buying an overpriced Tesla was just the next evolutionary step...
Here in the Netherlands EV’s are charged by load balancing, also Vehicle-To-Grid is used more often now, so we can balance the grid, also electrolysers are used to make hydrogen on peak hours. That will be the future here, EV’s, hydrogen and E-fuels. You Aussies are really afraid of change it seems.
Seems that people are still spending plenty of money. A Landcruiser with add ons and a decent sized off road van are hardly cheap and I see them everywhere.
@oldbloke204 Baby boomers with a fully paid off mortgage & 2 million in Super. Still, they deserve the landcruser after a lifetime of paying taxes & not even receiving an aged pension.
Currently Tesla is not battery constrained. A year or so ago a lot of the car makers put in big orders for batteries making Tesla nervous but now the likes of Ford and GM have scaled back their EV goals, demand for EVs has eased off and Tesla has plenty of batteries available.
@@rjbiker66 I saw a row of about twelve in Pattaya , Thailand all burnt . They need to have a switch to take the battery out of circuit and theyre pretty safe .
@@rjbiker66 Most those fires are because of poor construction or the batteries not actually being what they claim. Those fires are much less common with reputable batteries. iirc they almost always catch on fire when charging so you can build safe places to charge them. The batteries are much smaller than in cars so the fires are much easier to contain. Considering how often they can replace a car trip, they are great for the environment and traffic congestion. In that application there really aren't any problems that can't be overcome.
The Tesla 'structural batt pack' simply has the upper case covered with carpet, the centre console and front seats - in other words, there is no permanent floor. Mosat of the Model 3 and Model Y's built do not have this 'structural batt pack'. Even so, dropping out the 'structural batt pack' is a little more intensive than a conventional underfloor pack.
If I had a penny for every time I have read a BEV pumper talking about how some new revolutionary battery tech is right around the corner, I would be rich. They are arguing basically that Moore's Law applies to batteries. Moore's Law does not apply to batteries.
agreed. we are still waiting for that new battery tech that was market ready 5+ years ago. they have been selling it before they have invented it, and they havn't been able to invent it.
@@christiandisch8147 Hydrogen. Every time Hydrogen is brought up, golf cart cult heads explode. They trot out the efficiency argument. I would argue that the future needs energy, lots of it. If you really want to replace hydrocarbons, we need a cheap plentiful replacement source of energy. Nuclear obviously. Let's build a lot of new nuclear plants, and used them to produce really cheap electricity. Use the electricity to electrolytically produce hydrogen. But but but efficiency? Nobody will care if electricity its plentiful and cheap. Also the waste heat from those nuclear plants can be used to desalinate water, in areas that need more fresh water. A problem that is going to get worse as the earth's population rises. Also aviation, do these clowns actually think you can replace Jet A in something like an A350 with a bunch of 18650 batteries in the wings and fly it nonstop from San Francisco nonstop (17 1/2 hours)?
@@christiandisch8147 Oil isn't running out. You can't build a single Battery car without a entire lake of oil. If we are running out of oil Battery cars are dead.
In 1976 a neighbor bought a new 1/2 ton chevy p.u. for $1750.00. today a base 1/2 ton chevy P.U. is $37,500, or about 15 times the price. If hamburger (too expensive now at around $5.50/LB) went up 15 times since 1975 ($.95/LB in 76) would be$14.25/LB. (correction its 21 times so $.95 Hamburger would today be $19.95/LB)
There are four key words that reflect new products created in labs normally. Could’ve, Would’ve, Should’ve, Might’ve. (Various subsets of these words available) These words are common usage in the development community.
I've got...maybe 20 years left here on earth and I can guarantee I will never buy an electric car. Or a hybrid for that matter. When I am a grumpy old man I think I will have enough to complain about without a hybrid monkey on my back.
Not only is my Tally-Whacker happy and itch free thanks to the Manscaped offer - thanks for that BTW - but my belly jiggling whilst laughing at this wonderful series has me losing a belt notch. I also enjoyed your hybrid road test and has given me opportunity to seriously consider my camping mode of transport and haulage. Can't wait for your 'Tasman' exposé.
It is so depressing to see how ignorant our leaders are in basic science. The amount of electrical energy required to run an EV and what happens when this energy requirement is scaled up by millions seems to elude them.
Think about the sort of kid from your school that may have been interested in politics, the vacuous popularity-whore type. Now recall whether they were keen on maths and science. Doubtful.
Try showing this to an Electric Scientologist and i guarantee that they would refuse to watch more than 60 seconds. Closed minds and narcissism are the general trend.
@@christiandisch8147 I'll agree with you, that oil is finite. It will go up as we hit peak, and it could be a societal breaking point. The choice shouldn't be EV or Oil. We need a liquid fuel. It would be nice if it stayed liquid at room temperature, and atmospheric pressure, but some wiggle room might need to be given. Alcohol could be an answer if they could find the right genetic tweaks to make for algae, or possibly switch-grass. I'm not in favor of anything like hydrogen because to get liquid hydrogen extreme refrigeration is required, and that's simply not practical for grand ma's car parked in the garage for a week. If hydrogen isn't liquefied, it doesn't have enough energy for the space it takes up to be a useful fuel. Also, most hydrogen is not green. There's no reason to expect a great number of hydrogen wells will be discovered in the future. Some people are hoping for that, but even that would be finite. (Most hydrogen comes from using methane which produces a lot of CO2). Ammonia might work in ships, or possibly locomotives, but due to its refrigeration and pressurization problems, I don't see this being used in a car. The only solution I see is alcohol from plants, or possibly bio-gasoline or bio-diesel. Those are not feasible yet, but neither are EVs. Rather than being distracted with EV virtue signaling, we should be making an effort to find fuel that works. Bio-alcohol, gasoline and diesel would be green, since they captured the CO2 when growing. All those tax credits for EVs and all the money lost already, would have been better spent on research for production of alternative fuels. Pushing the EV agenda is like the band playing when the Titanic was sinking.
@@cherryjuice9946 there are many alternatives to look into. It seems that none of them where pushed in any particular way by any government. Instead some companies tried different things, and dare I say it, Tesla was the first company to make an EV that enough people actually wanted to buy because it wasn't a lead acid battery powered scooter with a roof and doors. Then other companies (and governments) took note and started to go in that direction too. In parallel there were attempts at hydrogen powered cars (some still kicking around), which also receive a lot of government funding but isn't looking like it'll ever go anywhere. What do you think is the reason for governments not looking into synthetic fuels more than they are currently doing?
EV rollout is not much different from our NBN, when the power goes out no service for anybody whereas with copper you could still make phone calls. So plenty of towns in my area North East Victoria have been in trouble when a bush fire takes out the power and you can't call your neighbor or emergency services for rescue and therefore you die and the pollies don't care.
And we don't see to many EV-fires here in Norway either. And the market share for EV's was passing 90% in January ´24. And this is achieved after the government cut down on incentives for the most expensive EV's like Porsche Taycan/Cross Turismo, Lotus Eletre and the most expensive Audis like e-tron GT RS'. Even trucks and excavators are on the move to being electric here. And if you fiddle with market analytics, you'll see that the projections. also globally is pointing towards electrification. The driving factors, at least here in Europe and the Nordics particularly is favorable government subsidies on one side and strict regulations on vehicle emissions on the other, to boost the EV market. And since Japan, China and South Korea will provide an oversupply of batteries, the price will be pushed down maybe 40% in 2025, compared with 2022.
Yes funny enough there are countries that are moving towards the electric utopia that both this video and most of its viewers seem to despise so much, yet these countries haven't collapsed yet. If anything, they will be better prepared for the future.
Of course, Norway is a VERY rich country. Where does the money come from to do all of this EV stuff? Exports of oil and natural gas. Norway is swimming in oil wealth so much that it could be described as the Saudi Arabia of the north. Norway can afford to play with EV's while they export their hydrocarbons for use in the rest of the world, just like Australia exports their coal and natural gas.
@@ICECarOwnerDIYit's more than that. Any idiot looking at a collection of Norway maps (settlements, topography and roads, etc) can see that Norway's geography makes it very highly-channeled. The result is that the areas of significant human settlement are very highly constrained, as are the useful routes for travel. Also, Norway is able to get the majority of its energy from hydroelectric, which not every country can do. Some dolts who have seen nothing of the rest of the world may assume that the conditions are the same in the US, or Australia or Zimbabwe. But wiser and better-informed people know better. The conditions that have proved favorable to larger-scale EV use in Norway cannot be extrapolated to everywhere else. Indeed, since it is a fairly unique place, it cannot be extrapolated to ANYWHERE else with confidence. I find it amusing that I, an American, am apparently more aware of the scale of differences between countries than a Norwegian. We Americans are often considered woefully ignorant of the larger world, but I guess we aren't unique in this.
An interesting 2023 Vox article -- "Why Norway - the poster child for electric cars - is having second thoughts". An even more interesting 2024 Nature article titled "Ownership of battery electric vehicles is uneven in Norwegian households". It turns out more than half of Norwegian households that own an EV, have three or more EVs: "indicating an unbalanced ownership distribution concentrating on the wealthiest.". Hmmm. It looks like a lot of the EV-buying spree is conspicuous-consumption by the uber-wealthy.
Ever thought of politics John? You will have my vote as long as you run for something. Too bad I don’t live down under. Keep up the good work, you are like a breeze of fresh air and common sense in this corrupted world.
History is going to judge us very harshly, for many reasons, when Aliens investigate what wiped out humans on earth. But the earth will probably be too toxic to approach from space.
My EV costs half the amount to run than my diesel, is quiete, relaxed and has none of the servicing costs. Hence I never drive the diesel and will never buy another.
I do hope you sent the link of this video series to the Electric Viking. We will know when he views it since the noise from his head exploding will cover the earth.
Many people have an agenda and this channel actually spends a lot of effort trying to prove EVs are a failure when majority of people who actually drive them understand this is superior tech. Sure many people fear change I get it but this channel exerts so much energy trying to prove a point. Most people would not be so invested unless someone have invested in them.
EVs used with renewables are much greener than burning fossil fuels even taking into account manufacturing differences. Renewables are something many EV owners have adopted or the countries are in the process of adopting. As far as stats about EV car fires it depends on the stats you read. It also depends on the battery technology which is improving. LFP for instance is very hard to ignite. Battery manufactures will need to improve some of their tech. As for number of goes and general safety these stats are available and you can find these online. Battery recycling look up how effective this is and is available today. If you life 50metres from a main road the fossil burnt fumes are proven to cause cancel and many other respiratory diseases. The only negative I perceive is battery tech needs to adopt more fire resistant tech. What do you understand to be the negative?
Or, instead of being a car centric dinosaur, you could help create safe and reliable ecofriendly public transport and along with rail make sure the transport goes to where people want to go. The result will be a happier population not killing themselves and their loved ones on car fumes that have helped us get to where we are now. And yes, EV's will have a part to play but not as envisaged by the car manufacturers. Where does the energy come from to have EV's used by everybody, answer, nowhere. There are better uses for oil than burning it, don't you think John?
you.... haven't looked at a burner stack output percentages have you? "safe and reliable ecofriendly public transport" electric bikes and scooters seem far more viable for city transport. "And yes, EV's will have a part to play but not as envisaged by the car manufacturers" agreed, at least for now, even the manufacturers will have to change their ways sometimes
Public transport is overhyped. Cities would have to rebuild the light rail systems that they demolished 50 years ago. These systems tend to be hub and spoke, where the city centre is the primary commercial destination. It's very expensive for business to rent and maintain CBD offices. Decentralized business centres can be lots cheaper and can be closer to worker's homes. Personal vehicles closer to placed of work will be better than public transport. Many people who work in suburbs find themselves taking 2 or more trains/trans/buses to achieve what one small car can do.
@@thetriumphsprint Maybe in your city it is overhyped but we are past the time when we can say, it just isn't worth the cost. The impact of cars on the roads is not sustainable, do the maths. Make a road wider for traffic and the traffic always increases in months to jam it up. Like I said, cost is no longer an excuse not to make people's lives better. There are cities in Europe that show you are wrong. Go watch some Adam Something.
@@IbnBahtuta what works in Europe does not necessarily translate to other countries and city layouts. I'm in Adelaide, Australia. The public system isn't too bad but it is still hub and spoke. Light rail was removed a long time ago except for certain tracks. We've had additions in the last 20 years but still very CBD oriented. Beneficially, a North South corridor (expressway) is almost complete and works very well. Cars are quite efficient, if we can limit stop start events. If cars are not sustainable, then EVs are doubly so.
Tesla is the best car company ever! No maintenance, no gas stations, no smog checks, no oil changes, #1 in reliability, #1 in cost of ownership, quiet and 0-60 in 2.9 seconds like a $700,000 Lamborghini.
Here I am again at clickbait central. I used to come here to listen to engineering stuff but now it's all angry old white man negativity - easy stuff. Much of it poorly informed & worst case scenarios. Culture wars create revenue. Most of the issues here are related to the fact that it's early days for EVS. Most EV owners charge the cars while they're doing something else. And frankly I don't give a shit if bogans hate EVS because there is no chance in hell we'll be going back to combustion engines. That would be a truly ridiculous plan.
3,2,1 John was waiting for you! Hope he chooses you for an episode of Nuts! Doing something else. LOL Like what? Standing around having a wank at the mythical 5 Mw servo? AND, what a gem, 'we are not going back to combustion?!' News flash mate, we haven't left. I see your are way out there on the left hand side too, to stoop to old/white ad hominem attack. So predictable. Did the 10/0 hook baited with facts sting your lip much when you took the bait?
Care to explain why EV sales and dwindling? UK here and dealers are so desperate to shift EV's they have taken to lying about stock levels and waiting times for non EV vehicles.
So As i commented in the last vid, to add to your 5 Megawatt charging station comment, your average local city train, when fully loaded, transports 500-1000 people, and chews less than 2-4 Megawatts (Depending on the voltage of your Train system) of power. 5 megawatts to charge 8 vehicles, driven by 8 people, is a horrendously inefficient use of electricity. keep in mind too Sydney and Melbourne use 1500V DC power for their trains. Perth uses 24KV AC power for their trains. 24KV, for reference, is only a few steps down from production power line output. You'd need those massive HV Transmission towers to power that hypothetical 8-car servo.
Speaking out of experience of me trying to explain on one hand the usefulness of EVs with examples and the engineering stupidity of a lot of EVs with examples. I end up being both an EV hater and an green-washing, "ecotard" EV apologist. Apparently logic is an endangered subject... glad you're keeping it alive 😀
As far as hybrids go most use far more fuel than stated by the manufacturers. "A report from the European Union’s First Commission has confirmed what most car owners who have ever kept track of their fuel use suspected: cars are using more fuel and producing greater emissions than their official WLTP ratings. But one group of cars has been found to have particularly egregious real-world figures when compared to the claimed numbers: plug-in hybrids were found, on average, to pollute three and a half times more than their claims."
@@vidzony I'm sure he read that report but it conveniently slipped his mind. Just like he always forgets to add the emissions from extracting, refining, transporting, dispensing his sponsors (the hidden ones, hello Toyota) beloved hydrocarbons and let's not forget the fugitive emissions. I have seen estimates as high as 40% in addition to tailpipe emissions.
@@rattusfinkus Maybe he did, but conveniently he picks only the facts that make his arguments, or takes from a report only what suits him... Also he doesn't give pertinent replys...
@@vidzony true, to actually argue the point would reveal the holes in his arguments, and we don't want that, he needs to perpetuate that air of ocker intellectuality.
Reason 8 is why you have stationary storage at an EV charging station. You probably need about 2-10MWh, depending on the usage. Stationary storage is connected to the grid, and recharges during off peak or over production of solar.
EV’s are just a dud option if you want to scale it up to match what we currently have. A ten bowser fuel station can refuel up to 120 vehicles an hour. To refuel a similar number of EVs per hour you would need at least 100 fast chargers. You also need the electrical infrastructure to allow all these charges to charge at the maximum rate for each of the vehicles connected, if you want to match the refuelling capacity of a 10 bowser fuel station. A level 3 Fast charger can get you to 80% charge at a comparatively rapid rate (compared to a level 1 or level 2 charger). Once it hits 80% charge the charging rate slows considerably. Obviously if you only charge to 80% your range is going to be reduced. Which means you have to charge more frequently. Which means you need more recharging stations along a route to manage the reduced range. This is while you are trying to create a business model where you can get a return on your capital outlay. Just to buy a 100 level 3 chargers is going to cost at least $5.5 million. You also have to purchase or lease the land upon which you wish to locate your ev recharging business. Then you have to pay for all the electrical infrastructure to enable all your customers to charge at their maximum capacity at times of peak demand. Then pay to get it installed. While your doing that, you have to ensure your local electricity supplier can provide sufficient electricity to meet your maximum projected demand. Once you’ve done your calculations you then need to look at the opportunity cost of that capital investment. Then multiply that by all the new ev recharging stations you need to machine what we have already got.
That's a LOT of stationary storage - likely 100s of MWh to cope with peak demand at a busy station - eg on a motorway. Far more if we are also using electric trucks. Current grid storage costs around $150k per MWh. Plus the CO2 embedded in the storage battery would be enormous. Sound like a horrible solution both economically and ecologically - not remotely practical.
@@bruiser6479 It took me about 25 minutes to reacharge a Polestar 2 to 80% on 125kW charger, so at that throughput you are looking at needing 5x the number of chargers than a petrol station. But it's not exactly a like for like comparision, as generally fast chargers are by amenities, at which you would stop for a while anyway. When doing Sydney-Melbourne in an ICE, we often stop for 30 or 40 minutes, which is plenty of time to recharge an EV if we were driving one. In terms of charging speed, CATL's new LMFP battery has a 4C capability, meaning charging to 80% in about 10 minutes, so 2x the speed of a petrol pump. In terms of delivering the energy, actually it's a lot simpler than you make out. A stationary storage battery is connected to the grid. It's filled up during the offpeak (coal) or from solar at midday at a low rate, and the owner makes a profit (a sizeable one) on selling the electrons at about 600% margin or more. There is a capital outlay, that's true, but there is a significant capital outlay for petrol stations as well. Cost of the actual charging stations will come down in price. They are just a glorified plug with a computer chip inside, just at a higher voltage/ampage, that's about it. And at the end of the day, you are refuelling with electricity from Aussie coal, gas, wind or solar, not imported petroleum imported from the Middle East along dubious supply chains.
@@tullochgorum6323 Well it's clearly practical, as charging stations are being rolled out around the world. 10MWh stationary storage is enough for 200EVs. That's plenty, especially if you also have a high voltage grid connection. The figure of 150k for 1MWh is off by at least 2x. Prices for 1kWh of EV battery storage, so higher grade than stationary storage, is projected to hit $50US this year, so about $80AUS. That's 80k for EV grade storage, probably about half that for stationary storage. CO2 embedded in a battery depends entirely on what was used in the refining process. Given many mines are going electric, that is rapidly decreasing. It's currently approximately 60,000 km of petrol equivalent, depending on your assumptions, but that number is coming down rapidly. Electric trucks will require a separate charging station because of their configuration and the power needed (around 1MW). I don't disagree that there's a lot of work to be done. But that it's unfeasible or uneconomical, no, that's not the case, clearly not the case as why would private companies be investing tens of billions into charging infrastructure.
I enjoy hearing these different views. Most here very fair criticisms, especially on the power distribution and charge rate piece. Grid is shit to behind with, hard to see that being tackled in any meaningful way. Particularly in the west. Particularly in high density areas.
John your points are so correct. Maybe if you drive an ICE vehicle, buy the best type of fuel for that vehicle. I drive a diesel and use premium diesel fuel. I am afraid that you might tell me that I am a bit of an idiot believing in their corporate advertising. Diesel fuel today is way better than what it was in the 1990's. Technology will improve the future.
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Shame. I saw "Dave takes it on" channel losing his mind at your last video without dealing with the facts... Poor guy was apoplectic. ua-cam.com/video/ijWkKTU-rYY/v-deo.html
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Based on the content of the video, how could you promote the battery electric razor instead of the V8 version?
congratulations, but you will have to spend much time to get any ICE car cause the tide has changed.
The EU had been suddenly discussing if they should postpone the stop of ice cars in 2035 .
But listen: the EU manufacturers were against it
Why ?
they have to get through now, not sometimes later and they have to clean the assembly plants to get ice free assembly lines. They will start to phase out all combustion engines and they are already no longer hiring ice engineers anymore, nor are they devloping any new ice engine for cars.
And even though a bit complicated same is happening regardin 40 to trucks and even busses one way or the other.
The europeans need to get ahead and stay in front of the chinese competition and the masses of cars and modells they can offer.
USA will be dead cause 2 of the big three will be sleeping forever. Chrysler is getting Stellantis architecture.
But get a mercedes amg now with a nice 4 cylinder - the days of AMG C63 with a 12 cylinder are gone. Game over what ever you might talk.
And consumers will follow cause the manufacturers have realized that they are on the track making profits with EV cause battery prices have stalled by 45% and they are profitable. They also have seen the progress of battery developement is far far higher than any developemnt in the ICE world since the common rails introduction about 2 decades ago but with a lot of emission issues.
China will not deliver ice cars, the japanese will also move ahead cause if not they will face taxes for not achieving the emission goals in the EU. I guess australia will get only FORD or GM cars in the future.
I saw a video on battery recycling. They took off the ally frame and the rest went into a huge vat and melted down. The liquid was poured into a mold and left to set. It went through a shredder and the bits were packed in those huge sacks with handles you get sand and gravel delivered in. What next? Shipped to a 3rd world country and buried. So green.
Maybe check your viewing history to find it and tell us who made the video. It would be nice to see. You remembered a lot of details except for a detail that could help us find it.
Is Germany or Korea 3rd world? Because they buy those huge sacks for pretty penny to extrac resources. If you dont like China as not 3rd world country.
its the same problem with plastics, we only CAN recycle less than 5% of it, whether its because of economic or chemical attributes.
And recycling has been with us from the 60s, its taken three generations to... um... not really do anything.
EVs are in a bit of a better place as its newer, we just need the holy grail tech that does at least the same like now but can easily recycle it.
@@xerr0n Recycling anything comes down to a simple equation, can it compete cost wise against using virgin material to make the same thing and in most cases the answer is no. If we put a price on the pollution created by the non recycled waste and add that to the production of the virgin product then the cost may become comparable but I don't see an government sprinting to do that as it would raise the price of just about every product we the people buy. I am not saying this is a reason to dismiss recycling, I am saying that it is the reason you will find it near impossible to sell. The general public love reducing pollution and recycling and electric transition this and that but as soon as you say that we will all have to wear an extra cost to things that like disappears. That is why governments almost never legislate in this area. As stated we have banned burying batteries here but that does not mean we can not bury them in another country like a lot of our waste was not so long ago. It is an issue that will have to be addressed but for now the can will be kicked down the road.
@@frasercrone3838 yup, you pretty much expand on what i meant with "economic" attributes
also good notice on the switcheroo on the promises made and failed by just doing it somewhere else
Funny, one of the most popular items that can be recycled without government incentives, is internal combustion Automobiles
and lead-acid batteries
Because we had plenty of time to get good at it.
Actually the most recyclable material is just the roads we drive on. Even motors require us separate different metals, but the roads are made to be an amalgamation of junk.
@@christiandisch8147 No, because they are easy to dismantle and recuperate.
And finally, more used tires are being recycled. Some carbon black is made from tires.
Recycling lithium is like de-emulsifying paint, unfrying an egg... Only 70 percent of lithium can be recycled. That means once the easy lithium is mined, significant lithium shortfall will keep prices high. Lithium is everywhere, but so is titanium. Being common does not mean a material is cheap. Hydrogen is also common.
Recently sold my EV after 9 months and have purchased a PHEV instead. Best decision ! Drive around in EV mode for short town trips and switch to fuel on longer trips. I love how I can also recharge the battery while driving on fuel as well as charge up traditionally at home wall box. Winning (disclaimer I am not a greenie tree hugger) 😂
I have just written a plea to JC to find me the best PHEV in Aus under $70 k.
@@aussieideasman8498 The best PHEV is a diesel... :)
@@WhiteDieselShed Ironic that many makers are dropping Diesel. It's crazy.
@@aussieideasman8498 Diesels and estate cars. You must have an SUV with less space and some turbo charged peaky torque petrol engine that's underpowered unless on boost.
Ford 1L, all reviews raved about the torque for such a small engine, and totally forgetting to load the car up and see how it copes on the motorway hills, one magazine commented on how they needed to take 4 people and camera gear in the 1L Focus and had to change down gears on the motorway and how poor the fuel consumption was.
@@WhiteDieselShed Yeah - what happened to Ford's Mondeo Diesel wagon? That was a great allrounder, and took hills with a full load like they were dead flat.
Re: EV insurance costs: EVs are also pushing up insurance for ICE vehicles. They use the same roads so in a collision between an EV an ICE vehicle there's a 50% (ish) chance that the ICE vehicle insurer will have to pick up the tab. The more EVs there are on the road, the more chance I have of hitting one when/if I screw up, and the more chance of my insurer having to send an EV to the scrapyard for damage that could be economically repaired on an ICE vehicle.
Good point - I don't think that many people will have thought of this. The other point is that they are making the roads more dangerous all around. The US authorities have just released figures showing that more Tesla drivers die per mile than any other brand. It's a combination of the dangerous "autopilot" system and the absurd acceleration that the typical driver can't handle. But presumably many of these accidents involve other road users, so we are all a greater risk - especially if the EV driver is in a bloated 3.5 tonne monster like the Cybertruck.
And the health insurance premium goes up because other people get sick. Pretty unfair, right?
@@christiandisch8147 What kind of a point is that? If EVs are more dangerous and costly to run than other vehicles and this increases premiums, that is surely a significant drawback that's worthy of discussion?
@@christiandisch8147 The insurance company insures YOU against the risk of YOU getting sick. If other people like YOU start to get sick more often or more seriously then your premiums will increase. With vehicle insurance you're insuring yourself, amongst other things, against the risk of paying for repairs to other people's vehicles. Up until recently you were unlikely to crash into a vehicle that was expensive to repair because most repairs were to ICE cars: a couple of panels, some lights and a repaint. Now you're increasingly likely to crash into an EV where minor damage can result in the vehicle being scrapped because if the battery is compromised. So - higher premiums for everybody, not just EV drivers.
There is also that big solid block off a battery that carries a lot of intertia in an accident..
John... never stop doing what you do mate... have always loved your no BS approach to the current topic. Good on ya mate
Blackout Bowen hasn't really done his research, has he?? 😂😂😂
Blackout Bowen can't spell research.
Is this a poorly made Biden pun? You’re all so illiterate, I thought I’d better check.
@@lolitaalmostgrown - it can apply to both dipschits.
Black out Bowen couldn't give a shit if it works or not he will retire with millions and the tax payers will be left with the bill 🤪
What's research?
I fully agree with better use of the resources available.
Me three, duuuuuuuude!
When you burn oil/gas/coal you mine much more resources. And the elements themselve are both independly: infinite in nature AND ~100% recyclable
And "burning it" is the best use that we have for oil? A very finite resource btw.
@@christiandisch8147 you only burn _part_ of the oil. Namely the petroleum fraction, which occupies about 10-15% of the overall content of crude oil as a whole once refined. The roads you drive on? Made from Bitumen, a petroleum product. The keyboard you're tapping on? That's made from a petroleum product.
You'd be better off saving those batteries and scaling up installations of solar and wind to help power oil refineries tbf. If we can use renewables to power industry as a whole, as well as electrify the home, you'll hit 2/3rds of our emissions in one foul swoop.
If the EV was a viable solution, the government wouldn't need mandates and legislation to force the sale of them.
The last few years of mandates did not go well for Gov'ts around the world. These new EV ones are not going well either,,,,so there is that.
If the EV was a viable solution, why doesn't the lawmakers drive them?
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And the government mandates for EVs will ultimately prove a ruse for mass transit.
Basically, if the government mandates anything, it's probably bad.
I'm still waiting 24 years later for my flying car they said we would have in 2000!
Don't even get me started on fusion energy, it's just 20 years away right guys, Guys?
Yep. Always 20 years away.
What about hoverboards? They should be here by now too
EV takeover is 20 years away. Has been for 50 years, will be in another 50.
22 years 😊
Yeah, but . . . that's not gonna happen. The world is gonna end in 10 more years according to AOC, that bastion of intelligence from New York, USA.
This problem is very easy to solve. They just need to create a bitcoin battery. We all know the energy used for mining is stored in Bitcoin on a ledger. Just connect your Bitcoin wallet to the EV motor and you have basically unlimited energy without any weight. ;)
Yes *_ANYTHING_* is possible :P
but can I use bitcoin at macca's
Put the pipe down ol’ mate.
@@LevyHappyClapper or bitcoin to get your woollies trolly unlocked
John is a treasure. I really enjoy watching his videos. I enjoy how he tells it like it is.
He tells it how he sees it. If he was truly neutral, he might not zoom in on Tesla so much. There are other EV makers these days, most of which aren't run by eccentric CEOs.
“A single rich prick”, that’d be hard to find.
Single rich pricks are everywhere. Happily married ones are rare.
@@AutoExpertJC good point.
Thank you
What is the collective noun for rich prick? A murder? A bloat? A siege?
One could go on, but I'm certain that people get the idea.
They're the ones who strictly abide by the three Fs.
If it flys, floats or f***s, rent it.
I hope a sequel "replying to comments" is in the works?
I hope so too. It will age like a fine wine.
Yeah I miss this nutfest Friday videos. Why did he take them down?
Yes!! Include a section on comments removed because they were not on message.
I love em, laugh my arse off.
Mr. Cadogan just threw a wet blanket over the entire EV industry . . . Wait, don't let water get anywhere near it!
Recently heard EV ownership described as “fiscal arson”. That’s going to stay with me for a while.
I prefer 'External Combustion'.
Hmmm. Not for the fiscally conservative hey. That would explain pollies love of spending our hard earned on them then.
It's more a Ponzi Scheme at this point
You can sell the lithium from battery, few gram per power cell, to get your money back. 🙂
I get the argument that an EV won't cut it for towing a caravan across the Great Central Road but the comments about fire are disingenuous. With data corroborated from a US insurer, a study by the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency found that EVs suffer 25 fires per 100,000 sold. Petrol or diesel vehicles were found to experience 1,530 fires per 100,000, with hybrid vehicles at a notably higher risk of 3,475 fires per 100,000.
Furthermore, salary sacrifice specialist Tusker, owned by Lloyds, has 30,000 EVs in its fleet, none of which has caught fire.
The current tally of EV Firesafe in Australia since 2010 stands at 6, according to EV Safe which is referenced by a number of emergency services. One of those was a battery which caught fire after it was removed from the car. One was arson. One was from damage caused by road debris and the other 3 were parked in buildings which caught fire.....
The algorithm brought me here and I'm grateful. Auto mechanics instructor in the States.
Quick let’s watch it while it’s fresh
Watch it 20x.
@@AutoExpertJCI’m up to 12 x watching it.
A great entertainer who makes a whole lot of sense. Funny to boot.
The Ford Nucleon! 1957/1958. Up there with the Edsel.
Agreed. Thank god that never progressed beyond the 'model' phase.
There's a rumour of a newly discovered element: Cadoganium 119, might be the answer 😉😉 10 great reasons, great series.
I worked for dealer that sold PHEV’s a small relay went poopy in a battery pack but we weren’t allowed to replace it because that meant opening the battery pack we were instructed to replace the whole pack( it was 3 months old) under warranty and send the old battery pack back. I saw quotes for $15,000 for replacement batteries for cars out of warranty that’s close to a decade of fuel for an average driver and the cars were 8-10 years old that needed them. It’s just not worth it.
This "concept" is one more nail in the coffin . . . Pride comes before the fall . . .
The plug in hybrids at last count are 146% more unreliable than ice vehicles and ev,s are 80% more unreliable
bottom line is the simplest argument - cost (without subsidies) of (1) purchase + (2) maintenance + (3) resale + (4) insurance + (5) fuel + (6) tyres&consumables - if EVs are the way, the 5-year cost of ownership should come out on top for the avg car. And we are not even counting the hiden costs of (7) wasting your time waiting for rechages, (8) extra wear&tear on roads thanks to extra weight, (9) projected rise in costs of electricity to compensate for loss of government tax revenue from pertrol sales, (10) taxpayer-funded additions to electricity grid
L-Ion batteries are literally the phoenix of technologie. They rise again from the flames...only in a different form that no-one wants or needs.
They're awesome for some things.
Like power tools 👍
That’s why lithium iron phosphate batteries are best for ev. Look it up
NiMH batteries were so much better anyways. I'd like to power my phone with a set of AA batteries please. Irony off.
@@nicknick3014 lets energy denisty, less charging cycles, shorter lifetime, less energy but cheaper. Good shit!
Thankyou for having the balls to see reality ,taking the time to research the facts and speak some common sense ( it’s obviously not as common as one would be led to believe ) will EVs be the Edsel of the 20s ?
Common sense is not so common.
Speaking of facts: how long do the known oil reserves last at our current rate of consumption?
@@christiandisch8147 Look it up - it's not hard. My calculations put it at approximately 58 years using the data from ourworldindata (They use incompatible units for oil use (Energy) and oil reserves (Tonnes) though, so I had to convert to kilogram equivalent oil to compare them). The really interesting thing is that for developed countries oil consumption has been remarkably flat or slowly dropping for the last few decades. The biggest surprise is that while US oil consumption is higher than anywhere else, including China, which runs all the factories where their stuff is made, US oil use has been quite steady since the 1970s, peaking in the mid 2000s... Chinese oil consumption has been steadily increasing to approaching US levels until last year though whether the drop is efficiency related or a sign of their economy tanking, I don't know.
The critical issue isn't how much oil is left, the issue is how much more environmental carnage burning it will cause. A lifestyle that involves consuming orders of magnitude more energy than a human can output on their own is the problem. Cars of any kind are a symptom of how normalised using massively more energy than human scale is in many societies, because there should be no reason for one human to need 1.5 tonnes of steel (Or 3 if it's a large SUV or electric vehicle) to transport them around the place.
@@dekkerlundquist5938as this video and you prove. Remember why we should switch to evs and public transport? Our planet is slowly dying
I absolutely appreciate your way of thinking.
For a moment, a quite long and nauseous moment, I thought I really did have “Smell-A-Vison” technology in my phone from the “I don’t give a crap” comment. Then I noticed the dog lying next to the couch.
…Whew we…
I read an article "before covid" that there was a joint Germany / Czech Republic Government group which actually designed and ran a pilot plant to safely recycle EV batteries. They concluded that it would never be commercially possible, so, if countries did insist on properly recycling EV batteries, they would have to do it themselves on the taxpayer.
Yeah. Let the government do it. I'm sure they'll do it more efficiently than private industry.
Should anyway. Same with tyre recycling
@@andyharman3022you think private industry is efficient? They cut every corner.
Plug in hybrids and regular hybrids are the best we can do.
Duck, reasons are fling over your head. It's not that they aren't "good enough", it's that they are worse than doing nothing. Even hybrids will lead to an ecological disaster. Mild-hybrid (48-volt) systems are justifiable, anything larger is not. Development of combustion engines COULD save more energy (reduce emissions), but the research money goes into the dead-end that is battery tech.
And the fuel to power the combustion engine of the hybrid is infinite?
If anything, clinging to burning oil is regrettable, because one thing is for sure: we will run out of oil.
@christiandisch8147 There is more recoverable oil in the Gulf of Mexico than the U.S. has consumed since 1860. The best argument for EVs is the conservation of petroleum. Rising cost of petroleum will disrupt the global economy. The environment can somewhat be cleaned-up only when economies are strong
So to re-fill and Petrol car with say 1/2 of a 50L tank with 25L/week at say $2/L costs $50.
So to recharge and EV from 1/2 to Full of a 64 kwh battery with 32 kwh at say $0.28/kwh (at home) costs $9 (approx).
So to operate a fully paid off vehicle each week would be cheaper to go for the EV (all other things being equal).
I do have a fully paid off EV and do use it for its utilitarian purpose of city travel and before you go of your rocker I still have my 2012 Hyundai I30.
To give you people a perspective, my last refill of the I30 (last week) for a recent 2 weeks of driving cost $50 (for 300kms, at the low end of the cycle) while for 2 weeks of same driving the EV costs 2 weeks at 20 kwh/wk at 0.28 is $11.
If you are lucky to have solar you would pay a heck of lot less than above (I do not have solar nor home batteries).
I do agree with the sentiment that EVs will NEVER be a transport solution for EVERYTHING, but it can alleviate many city driving issues relating localized air pollution.
I also agree there are many "infrastructure" issues with EV support, but over time we can address them with better solutions than we have now.
On last point that often gets forgotten in the discussion between EVs and ICE is that we a beholden to Asia for the majority of our fuel supply (Diesel/Petrol) and the last report says we have about 27 days of it rather than the legislated 90 days. So be wary of the availability of petrol/diesel should the supply be impacted by political or other events. I know people will say that is unlikely to happen, that's what they said until there was a refinery fire that knocked out part of the plant leaving us very vulnerable.
Australia has so much solar energy potential that it’s ridiculous to bullshit about needing fossil fuels.
Well, legislation in EU and UK doesn't seem to care if a vehicle is urban or not. In 10 years, all ICE vehicles are no more to be sold (new). And that irritates many of the folks . Rightfully so, I think.
As for the dependency of Asia, batteries are almost entirely refined and manufactured in China. So, essentially the dependency remains in Asia, only moves a bit to the East of Asia.
Take a guess why China is the cheapest place to refine Li? Hint: it's not because nobody else knows how to do it.
China are the No1 producer of EV batteries as they've been investing for years in African and South American mining. That and a very protectionist manufacturing base, backed up by lax environmental and health and safety regulation.
64kWh is equal to 6,4L petrol or diesel. That's not impressive at all. 2,8$ is equal to 1L diesel or petrol. A tank of diesel or petrol contains 700kWh and weights the most 70kg. To charge the same amount of energy compared to one tank of petrol or diesel cost apporx 200$. Your EV has only 1/4 of the range so it will cost you more + constant but slow battrery declning.
@@MikeInc79 You miss the point entirely. To use my EV for 2 weeks for the same distance costs far less!!!
Thanks!
What is the optimum temperature to Manscape one's Gonads?
20C
Or around about 68F for yankee balls
@@AutoExpertJC 20C ISO 2024.BOLL.OX
Hang on, I'll grab some popcorn.
Me too, duuuuuuuuude.
Had it ready and looking forward to this one.
How are the solar and battery sale going?
You know that you will sell more of this, now that the EV sales in Australia have increased to over 10%.
Why do people want a fossile car?
It's slower, more expensive (subsidies 28.125 USD through oil), use oil controlled by a corrupt cartel, heavier with all the fluids, more expensive fuel, shits in our neighbors air, and burn less than every minutt world wide. That's 10-20 times more than an EV. That's true numbers from Norway, where 1/4 of all cars are EV's on the road. The EV's in Norway drive more than fossile cars. And, in the winter they work better.
@@geirvinje2556 I think that you're the dreamer that John is referring to duuuuude.
Did you watch the video at all or would it have made your head explode?
Don't you find it ironic that Norway made so much off fossil fuels and then uses that money to give EVs the price advantage through legislation that they otherwise would never have had?
You think that an ICE vehicle with fluids is heavier than a comparative EV and that EVs work better in Winter then?
Hands out of your pockets duuuude.
@@geirvinje2556What the fuck is a fossile dude? Should I duck for cover?
My 2003 diesel Nissan Patrol is still going great. Original motor with 425,000km on the clock ❤
Nice reality check once again.
And, I didn't mind the Manscape advert either. It was just missing a Martini, with two olives, and a Brazilian flag on the toothpick.
Stu. Melbourne
Question: Do PHEVs still cause more issues than conventional hybrids? I remember from one of your earlier discussions, you mentioned that PHEVs combine multiple systems-dual drivetrains, dual fuel sources, and potentially double the maintenance. Have your views on this changed?
To add on to the statement about using the same volume of li-ion batteries to make PHEVS, or home storage batteries, they can also be used to make a bunch of ebikes, which would be better for their owner’s health and the planet than a “lardy-arsed Electric SUV”
Cat.Edge US has.a customer with a marcE sticker price 75000us, bought price 64000, with just 500miles it's resale value is 24000
Mustang Mach E? $40,000 of depreciation in 500 miles of driving must have the owner contemplating suicide. If this happens enough, the owners will start up a class-action lawsuit and sue Ford for damages.
The real reason for the push towards BEVs in the West and China, is to lower their Oil imports. Even if using Greenwashing. But now, faced with reality of that switch, won't be remotely surprising if BEVs are dumped, with advancements into Synthetic fuels as Fuel Cell technology.
That’s bullshit. Beijing and Shanghai were drowning in their own smog. They needed to get rid of ICE cars so people could breathe. What happened in the west was a happy side effect of engineers in the Chinese companies getting their shit together. Took them 15 years
So how's the synthetic fuels going and when can we expect to see them at a petrol station near you?
@@christiandisch8147 E85 Methanol…… ? Been available for years .
@@christiandisch8147 If Politicians weren't so obtuse, they could promote the use of Ethanol and LPG blends with Gasoline, as renewing the car fleet, for more efficient ICE cars. BEVs make sense for urban as light duty automotive applications. Bigger batteries means more consumption of Natural Resources. Trading Carbon emissions with the destruction of Ecosystems.
@@RogerM88 and why do you think this is not happening?
if these milk float fuel boxes burn so well why don't we just burn them to power a power station? be kind I am kind of stupid!
because its shittons of toxic, the kind of when it gets on your skin you could die kind of toxic. (referring to EV batteries)
@@xerr0n yes but in a controlled burn you could scrub the fumes ? better than watching huge scrapyards burn in the open air?
@@johnschofield6675 yeah far better to have filters but nobody wants to do it, besides 3rd world scrappers
@@johnschofield6675 this youtube censorshit is getting outta hand, i can reply once it seems, but no not more
i truly wonder what word got filtered with my second reply (you can see the third and hopefully this as well)
Heres what i wrote in short: nobody wants to do it with filters
Thank you, John, for the common sense of part 1 and 2 on EV's I can't wait for the your response to the comments it certainly does lower my blood pressure
I can hear Elon crapping the bed over this video John🤣🤣🤣
Again?
@@AutoExpertJC *Elon sold the best selling car 2023 beating out gas cars, the CYBER TRUCK is the most pre-ordered car ever with 2.2 million orders, FSD now $100/month means the $7,000/car profit he makes he makes a new car profit on FSD every 18 months with every subscription-for every car sold after Oct 2016, you don't really think Elon craps his pants about just another ill informed mechanic moaning about EV's do you?*
@@mohammadwasilliterate8037 Woohoooo!!! Got one - hook, line and sinker!!
@@mohammadwasilliterate8037 I'd just like him to crap his pants about the recyclability of his battery packs and maybe stop burning all the methane that propels his rockets in to space. Is that too much to ask?
@@mohammadwasilliterate8037 2.2 million people have allegedly put down a $100 deposit for a Cybertruck, which was the whole objective of the operation. The trucks will never be made. It's just a scam to part gullible people from their money.
I am sure if we could go back in time you could have argued the same thing when the car took over from the horse and cart. I can’t wait to not have to think about oil, oil filter, petrol filter, oil changes. Love it that you have a wonderful advert for trimmers full of lithium batteries. Battery technology is in its infancy compared the last hundred and twenty years of petrol development.
Nailed it John boy ❤. I live in regional QLD and they certainly don't appeal to me.
Clearly the market should cater to your needs!
Happy to see you recognise the advantages of PHEV's. I see those as the best solution for perhaps the majority of people, but in any case the main thing is people should have a choice between EV, PHEV and ICE vehicles. Let the best selling vehicles win!
There is only one winner with ICE vehicles. It’s the multinational oil company that refined the crude oil in to petrol, plastic and tyres .
In an EV only the petrol is deleted from the equation but that is the bit most highly taxed
I bought a 2024 Kia Picanto Sport as a replacement for my second car a 2004 Hyundai Getz. It was the least that I could do as my way of saving Planet Earth. Amortisation and all of that.
A good choice for that.
Shame they dropped the 1-litre turbo 3-banger. Utterly love that little habanero.
You will never lose as much in depreciation on your Picanto as all EV’s will. Not only that, your Picanto’s fuel tank won’t get smaller the more that you use it.
Picanto is cool, most EVs aint.
We just bought a 2024 Yaris Cross hybrid for the town run around 🎉 around 4l per 100
John has a lot of fun when Manscape sponsors a video.. Solid gold.. lol
Keep it up about re-cycling John. I know, have seen, many times the glass collecting trucks come in from their trips around the street glass bins, and dump straight into the landfill area at the depot. Apparently no batch of glass can stand more than 15% (?) recycled material. there's a lot more to why, than I can be bothered to type. We should go back to returnable bottles where possible, and grind the rest up to use instead of sand in road building concrete,or other public works. I have no reason to think that other material recycling is any more useful.
Perhaps, considering your area of public expertise, you should espouse the tyre recycling cause, perhaps recycled tyres, topping glass concrete roads ?
In my part of America 'recycled' tires are burnt at concrete plants and the cords are then actually recycled.
Recycling does not need to be commercially viable. Nobody has come up with a cheaper way for me to dispose of my used engine oil than dumping it in the storm water drain, yet I wear the cost of driving it down to my local recycling depot.
i love John's technical knowledge..i cringes' at the hybrid comedian act which basically, he is a serious guy, not a comedian..amen
For me it's the other way round.
A few high profile car companies now walking their EV only chant back to a Hybrid and ICE option. There will be a place for the EV but it won’t be in the main stream and my guess is it will end up in a museum or as a weekend toy. It is amazing how many of those in power do not understand what the cost and implications of EV really is. Why can’t the manufacturers apply the technology and time into more efficient combustion engines ?
More efficient combustion engines? Dude, we've been doing that for almost 100 years!
@@CheapCheerful Make that 150 years.
@@CheapCheerfulThat's because science and physics says it works. There is no reason to stop advancement now (40% efficiency is very doable and 50% has been achieved (at great expense) in Formula 1. Combined with new fuels the future is bright for ICE development. In case you're not keeping score, that's with zero coal burned for operation, vs. tons for electricity generation to operate a BEV. Unless you have a solar array on your roof -- in that case congratulations.
Combustion engines have a theoretical limit imposed by thermodynamics. As far as I know we're pretty close to that limit by now. Sure there are a few tricks like smaller displacement and forced induction, but ultimately we're going to run out of oil anyways. Depending on your age, it'll even be in your lifetime.
@@christiandisch8147 I've been hearing from all the smartest people in the popular press for about 50 years that the oil is going to run out. In 1975 all those smart people were saying all the oil would be gone by the year 2000. Almost 50 years later, and there are still 50 years of proven reserves.
At least Tesla switched from pink epoxy to green epoxy between Model Y 4680 Structural Battery and Cybertruck 4680 Structural Battery. Getting greener, but not a bit easier to repair.
SuperCaps lost to Lithium-Ion on busses. Volvo had a bus factory in Finland and they used regen and super capasitors in their hybrid engine, but it was closed already in 2009.
I'm dreading the day that EVs are finally put to the sword!....I get such a buzz from Johns regular Video's......I hope he has got an alternative windmill to tilt at, otherwise................
I have a question that you may have answered before but if you did I missed it. Because of the weight increase of an EV, particularly models that have been previously diesel or petrol models, do the manufacturer's have to beef up the safety crumple zones or roof pillars to allow for accidents resulting in a front end collision or the vehicle overturning?
Fun fact 300kVA final zone transformer is good for 40 to 60 homes about the same as a single Tesla rapid charger aka 70kWh in 20 mins
People just have no concept of what 300kva is and the challenges associated with producing and transmitting it.
Uh... exactly whose home has a Tesla Super Charger!? Nobody mate. The most hardcore home chargers are 22kw, but most people don't need them. Mine is just 2kW, runs off a standard outlet, and I only need to use it once per week since I work from home 50% of the week.
@@CheapCheerful I'm pretty sure that he is just exemplifying the amount of current required to fast charge a typical EV battery.
It's a lot.
Homes don't have fast chargers because there just isn't the available current to run them.
@@CheapCheerful Ahhhh, EVs work best when not used very often. Makes sense! 😂
@@JacquesMartini You Smart Guy... :) You found the perfect electric car owner, they have money but no brains and do not actually need a car but its the in thing to buy.
A few years back it was a dyson vacuum then a 600$ hairdryer so buying an overpriced Tesla was just the next evolutionary step...
Here in the Netherlands EV’s are charged by load balancing, also Vehicle-To-Grid is used more often now, so we can balance the grid, also electrolysers are used to make hydrogen on peak hours. That will be the future here, EV’s, hydrogen and E-fuels. You Aussies are really afraid of change it seems.
Yes, we are!... 200 years behind Europe!
John the Australia economy is stuffed. With the high cost of living, Australians will be riding bicycles before too long.
Could be good for cardiovascular wellbeing.
You will need to book the town bike for your occasional 'jaunt'...
Seems that people are still spending plenty of money.
A Landcruiser with add ons and a decent sized off road van are hardly cheap and I see them everywhere.
I have an E bike for those days 😅😅😅🎉
@oldbloke204 Baby boomers with a fully paid off mortgage & 2 million in Super. Still, they deserve the landcruser after a lifetime of paying taxes & not even receiving an aged pension.
Currently Tesla is not battery constrained. A year or so ago a lot of the car makers put in big orders for batteries making Tesla nervous but now the likes of Ford and GM have scaled back their EV goals, demand for EVs has eased off and Tesla has plenty of batteries available.
Australia have a free megapack going cheap... Free to collector. Hazmat suit and skip not provided.
Lion batteries real win is in bicycles and other types of single person propulsion .
Sure they are. Except for all the fires attributed to them. Go look up battery fires in New York.
@@rjbiker66 I saw a row of about twelve in Pattaya , Thailand all burnt . They need to have a switch to take the battery out of circuit and theyre pretty safe .
@@rjbiker66 Most those fires are because of poor construction or the batteries not actually being what they claim. Those fires are much less common with reputable batteries. iirc they almost always catch on fire when charging so you can build safe places to charge them. The batteries are much smaller than in cars so the fires are much easier to contain. Considering how often they can replace a car trip, they are great for the environment and traffic congestion. In that application there really aren't any problems that can't be overcome.
Hey, my car is single person propulsion too!
The Tesla 'structural batt pack' simply has the upper case covered with carpet, the centre console and front seats - in other words, there is no permanent floor. Mosat of the Model 3 and Model Y's built do not have this 'structural batt pack'. Even so, dropping out the 'structural batt pack' is a little more intensive than a conventional underfloor pack.
those belly laughs can help promote regularity. you are seriously one of the funniest presenters on the interwebs.
Great vid! Once again.
If I had a penny for every time I have read a BEV pumper talking about how some new revolutionary battery tech is right around the corner, I would be rich. They are arguing basically that Moore's Law applies to batteries. Moore's Law does not apply to batteries.
agreed. we are still waiting for that new battery tech that was market ready 5+ years ago. they have been selling it before they have invented it, and they havn't been able to invent it.
Speaking of new tech: which new fuel will replace oil once it runs out?
@@christiandisch8147 Hydrogen. Every time Hydrogen is brought up, golf cart cult heads explode. They trot out the efficiency argument. I would argue that the future needs energy, lots of it. If you really want to replace hydrocarbons, we need a cheap plentiful replacement source of energy. Nuclear obviously. Let's build a lot of new nuclear plants, and used them to produce really cheap electricity. Use the electricity to electrolytically produce hydrogen. But but but efficiency? Nobody will care if electricity its plentiful and cheap. Also the waste heat from those nuclear plants can be used to desalinate water, in areas that need more fresh water. A problem that is going to get worse as the earth's population rises. Also aviation, do these clowns actually think you can replace Jet A in something like an A350 with a bunch of 18650 batteries in the wings and fly it nonstop from San Francisco nonstop (17 1/2 hours)?
@@christiandisch8147 Oil isn't running out. You can't build a single Battery car without a entire lake of oil. If we are running out of oil Battery cars are dead.
This is why we need to get people who don't care/don't need to be in a car out of said car and onto trains, trams or buses
Time to hit up and troll some EV forums :D
Good fishing in the Electric Viking pond or Solving the money problem channel I have found.
They do take themselves so seriously imo.
You dare wrath their god of elon, the musk of mars, the speaker of non truth.. Brave soul.... :)
You got me laughing with Ron Jeromy's magic wand
In 1976 a neighbor bought a new 1/2 ton chevy p.u. for $1750.00. today a base 1/2 ton chevy P.U. is $37,500, or about 15 times the price. If hamburger (too expensive now at around $5.50/LB) went up 15 times since 1975 ($.95/LB in 76) would be$14.25/LB. (correction its 21 times so $.95 Hamburger would today be $19.95/LB)
John did youtube de- monetise your vids for telling the truth? No youtube adds before or during your vids
Probably more related to all the effing and jeffing I'd guess ..? 🤷
I got ads 🤔
Skyrocketing insurance? For me it is same as other similarly priced cars?
Let's trigger the Tesla cult!
OK - sounds like a plan.
Yeah lets revisit his projecting of Tesla's imminent bankruptcy a few years ago now .
Oh wait .
This vid will age just as well.
@@martinsmallwood9605 Well that didn't take long...
@@LordandGodofUA-cam
I am not triggered mate.
I simply enjoy laughing at the luddites.
Tesla bankwupt soon eh Johnny.
@@martinsmallwood9605 Nah, not triggered at all, are we. 🤣🤣🤣
There are four key words that reflect new products created in labs normally. Could’ve, Would’ve, Should’ve, Might’ve. (Various subsets of these words available)
These words are common usage in the development community.
Does BYD mean Burn Your Driveway?
Burn Your Dreams
I've got...maybe 20 years left here on earth and I can guarantee I will never buy an electric car. Or a hybrid for that matter. When I am a grumpy old man I think I will have enough to complain about without a hybrid monkey on my back.
Buy Your Dystopias
Blow your dough, and bugger your day.
@@สุภารัตร์ศรีบุรินpardon, but from reading your reply I thought you were a grumpy old man already?
Not only is my Tally-Whacker happy and itch free thanks to the Manscaped offer - thanks for that BTW - but my belly jiggling whilst laughing at this wonderful series has me losing a belt notch. I also enjoyed your hybrid road test and has given me opportunity to seriously consider my camping mode of transport and haulage. Can't wait for your 'Tasman' exposé.
It is so depressing to see how ignorant our leaders are in basic science. The amount of electrical energy required to run an EV and what happens when this energy requirement is scaled up by millions seems to elude them.
Think about the sort of kid from your school that may have been interested in politics, the vacuous popularity-whore type. Now recall whether they were keen on maths and science. Doubtful.
Yep then just for shits & giggle the government starts turning off our coal power stations.
Why can’t countries install separate electricity grids that only use renewable energy? The cost could be borne by the EV manufacturers?
Try showing this to an Electric Scientologist and i guarantee that they would refuse to watch more than 60 seconds. Closed minds and narcissism are the general trend.
How do you see the future of transportation though? How much more oil is there? And what are you willing to pay for it?
@@christiandisch8147 Don't worry about OIL ... more that enough to go around ... Peak oil was a myth
@@christiandisch8147 I'll agree with you, that oil is finite. It will go up as we hit peak, and it could be a societal breaking point. The choice shouldn't be EV or Oil. We need a liquid fuel. It would be nice if it stayed liquid at room temperature, and atmospheric pressure, but some wiggle room might need to be given. Alcohol could be an answer if they could find the right genetic tweaks to make for algae, or possibly switch-grass. I'm not in favor of anything like hydrogen because to get liquid hydrogen extreme refrigeration is required, and that's simply not practical for grand ma's car parked in the garage for a week. If hydrogen isn't liquefied, it doesn't have enough energy for the space it takes up to be a useful fuel. Also, most hydrogen is not green. There's no reason to expect a great number of hydrogen wells will be discovered in the future. Some people are hoping for that, but even that would be finite. (Most hydrogen comes from using methane which produces a lot of CO2). Ammonia might work in ships, or possibly locomotives, but due to its refrigeration and pressurization problems, I don't see this being used in a car.
The only solution I see is alcohol from plants, or possibly bio-gasoline or bio-diesel. Those are not feasible yet, but neither are EVs.
Rather than being distracted with EV virtue signaling, we should be making an effort to find fuel that works. Bio-alcohol, gasoline and diesel would be green, since they captured the CO2 when growing. All those tax credits for EVs and all the money lost already, would have been better spent on research for production of alternative fuels. Pushing the EV agenda is like the band playing when the Titanic was sinking.
@@LevyHappyClapper why does it keep getting more expensive then?
@@cherryjuice9946 there are many alternatives to look into. It seems that none of them where pushed in any particular way by any government. Instead some companies tried different things, and dare I say it, Tesla was the first company to make an EV that enough people actually wanted to buy because it wasn't a lead acid battery powered scooter with a roof and doors. Then other companies (and governments) took note and started to go in that direction too.
In parallel there were attempts at hydrogen powered cars (some still kicking around), which also receive a lot of government funding but isn't looking like it'll ever go anywhere.
What do you think is the reason for governments not looking into synthetic fuels more than they are currently doing?
EV rollout is not much different from our NBN, when the power goes out no service for anybody whereas with copper you could still make phone calls. So plenty of towns in my area North East Victoria have been in trouble when a bush fire takes out the power and you can't call your neighbor or emergency services for rescue and therefore you die and the pollies don't care.
Hey, dead people can't vote. So why should the politicians care?
And we don't see to many EV-fires here in Norway either. And the market share for EV's was passing 90% in January ´24. And this is achieved after the government cut down on incentives for the most expensive EV's like Porsche Taycan/Cross Turismo, Lotus Eletre and the most expensive Audis like e-tron GT RS'.
Even trucks and excavators are on the move to being electric here. And if you fiddle with market analytics, you'll see that the projections. also globally is pointing towards electrification. The driving factors, at least here in Europe and the Nordics particularly is favorable government subsidies on one side and strict regulations on vehicle emissions on the other, to boost the EV market.
And since Japan, China and South Korea will provide an oversupply of batteries, the price will be pushed down maybe 40% in 2025, compared with 2022.
Thank you for your post! Finally someone making sense, and not just stupid ironies!
Yes funny enough there are countries that are moving towards the electric utopia that both this video and most of its viewers seem to despise so much, yet these countries haven't collapsed yet. If anything, they will be better prepared for the future.
Of course, Norway is a VERY rich country. Where does the money come from to do all of this EV stuff? Exports of oil and natural gas. Norway is swimming in oil wealth so much that it could be described as the Saudi Arabia of the north. Norway can afford to play with EV's while they export their hydrocarbons for use in the rest of the world, just like Australia exports their coal and natural gas.
@@ICECarOwnerDIYit's more than that.
Any idiot looking at a collection of Norway maps (settlements, topography and roads, etc) can see that Norway's geography makes it very highly-channeled. The result is that the areas of significant human settlement are very highly constrained, as are the useful routes for travel. Also, Norway is able to get the majority of its energy from hydroelectric, which not every country can do.
Some dolts who have seen nothing of the rest of the world may assume that the conditions are the same in the US, or Australia or Zimbabwe. But wiser and better-informed people know better.
The conditions that have proved favorable to larger-scale EV use in Norway cannot be extrapolated to everywhere else. Indeed, since it is a fairly unique place, it cannot be extrapolated to ANYWHERE else with confidence.
I find it amusing that I, an American, am apparently more aware of the scale of differences between countries than a Norwegian. We Americans are often considered woefully ignorant of the larger world, but I guess we aren't unique in this.
An interesting 2023 Vox article -- "Why Norway - the poster child for electric cars - is having second thoughts".
An even more interesting 2024 Nature article titled "Ownership of battery electric vehicles is uneven in Norwegian households". It turns out more than half of Norwegian households that own an EV, have three or more EVs: "indicating an unbalanced ownership distribution concentrating on the wealthiest.".
Hmmm. It looks like a lot of the EV-buying spree is conspicuous-consumption by the uber-wealthy.
Ever thought of politics John? You will have my vote as long as you run for something. Too bad I don’t live down under. Keep up the good work, you are like a breeze of fresh air and common sense in this corrupted world.
History is going to judge us very harshly, for many reasons, when Aliens investigate what wiped out humans on earth. But the earth will probably be too toxic to approach from space.
All that COBALT. Cobalt was added to Hydrogen Bombs because Strontium 90 with a half life of 90 Years just wasn't deadly enough.
My EV costs half the amount to run than my diesel, is quiete, relaxed and has none of the servicing costs. Hence I never drive the diesel and will never buy another.
thanks for not making the ad over fkn 20min" dude"
I do hope you sent the link of this video series to the Electric Viking. We will know when he views it since the noise from his head exploding will cover the earth.
I cannot wait for your review of the EV nuts' errmmm... comments which I am sure are clogging your inbox.
How very good ! This electric eutopia is a soon to end dream , I hope !!
This Chanel is paid by big auto or it’s just plain ignorance.
Which is it?
Option 3
Many people have an agenda and this channel actually spends a lot of effort trying to prove EVs are a failure when majority of people who actually drive them understand this is superior tech. Sure many people fear change I get it but this channel exerts so much energy trying to prove a point. Most people would not be so invested unless someone have invested in them.
In what area was ignorance displayed?
EVs used with renewables are much greener than burning fossil fuels even taking into account manufacturing differences. Renewables are something many EV owners have adopted or the countries are in the process of adopting.
As far as stats about EV car fires it depends on the stats you read. It also depends on the battery technology which is improving. LFP for instance is very hard to ignite. Battery manufactures will need to improve some of their tech.
As for number of goes and general safety these stats are available and you can find these online.
Battery recycling look up how effective this is and is available today.
If you life 50metres from a main road the fossil burnt fumes are proven to cause cancel and many other respiratory diseases.
The only negative I perceive is battery tech needs to adopt more fire resistant tech.
What do you understand to be the negative?
Actually YOU are paying it from a youtube view.
Great album - Side B just as good as Side A.
Take the vote off women...
That would work in all sorts of ways, it’s just too late. Maybe after WWIII .
The real issue for those who are actually woke
Love your work, John.
Or, instead of being a car centric dinosaur, you could help create safe and reliable ecofriendly public transport and along with rail make sure the transport goes to where people want to go. The result will be a happier population not killing themselves and their loved ones on car fumes that have helped us get to where we are now. And yes, EV's will have a part to play but not as envisaged by the car manufacturers. Where does the energy come from to have EV's used by everybody, answer, nowhere. There are better uses for oil than burning it, don't you think John?
Mass transit - efficient, reliable and free - is essential to a greener future.
you.... haven't looked at a burner stack output percentages have you?
"safe and reliable ecofriendly public transport" electric bikes and scooters seem far more viable for city transport.
"And yes, EV's will have a part to play but not as envisaged by the car manufacturers" agreed, at least for now, even the manufacturers will have to change their ways sometimes
Public transport is overhyped. Cities would have to rebuild the light rail systems that they demolished 50 years ago. These systems tend to be hub and spoke, where the city centre is the primary commercial destination. It's very expensive for business to rent and maintain CBD offices. Decentralized business centres can be lots cheaper and can be closer to worker's homes. Personal vehicles closer to placed of work will be better than public transport. Many people who work in suburbs find themselves taking 2 or more trains/trans/buses to achieve what one small car can do.
@@thetriumphsprint Maybe in your city it is overhyped but we are past the time when we can say, it just isn't worth the cost. The impact of cars on the roads is not sustainable, do the maths. Make a road wider for traffic and the traffic always increases in months to jam it up. Like I said, cost is no longer an excuse not to make people's lives better. There are cities in Europe that show you are wrong. Go watch some Adam Something.
@@IbnBahtuta what works in Europe does not necessarily translate to other countries and city layouts. I'm in Adelaide, Australia. The public system isn't too bad but it is still hub and spoke. Light rail was removed a long time ago except for certain tracks. We've had additions in the last 20 years but still very CBD oriented. Beneficially, a North South corridor (expressway) is almost complete and works very well. Cars are quite efficient, if we can limit stop start events. If cars are not sustainable, then EVs are doubly so.
Tesla is the best car company ever! No maintenance, no gas stations, no smog checks, no oil changes, #1 in reliability, #1 in cost of ownership, quiet and 0-60 in 2.9 seconds like a $700,000 Lamborghini.
No maintenance? You're nuts.
Here I am again at clickbait central. I used to come here to listen to engineering stuff but now it's all angry old white man negativity - easy stuff. Much of it poorly informed & worst case scenarios.
Culture wars create revenue.
Most of the issues here are related to the fact that it's early days for EVS. Most EV owners charge the cars while they're doing something else.
And frankly I don't give a shit if bogans hate EVS because there is no chance in hell we'll be going back to combustion engines.
That would be a truly ridiculous plan.
😂😂😂😂😂thanks for a good laugh. Signed : a bogan
3,2,1 John was waiting for you! Hope he chooses you for an episode of Nuts! Doing something else. LOL Like what? Standing around having a wank at the mythical 5 Mw servo? AND, what a gem, 'we are not going back to combustion?!' News flash mate, we haven't left. I see your are way out there on the left hand side too, to stoop to old/white ad hominem attack. So predictable. Did the 10/0 hook baited with facts sting your lip much when you took the bait?
Thanks for your racist puerile comment. Personally, I don't care about anyone's skin colour 👎
It's not early days for EVs. They've been around longer than ICE vehicles
Care to explain why EV sales and dwindling? UK here and dealers are so desperate to shift EV's they have taken to lying about stock levels and waiting times for non EV vehicles.
Just love when facts get in the way of a good story .....
Aging brain did fail!
It's a risk.
So As i commented in the last vid, to add to your 5 Megawatt charging station comment, your average local city train, when fully loaded, transports 500-1000 people, and chews less than 2-4 Megawatts (Depending on the voltage of your Train system) of power. 5 megawatts to charge 8 vehicles, driven by 8 people, is a horrendously inefficient use of electricity.
keep in mind too Sydney and Melbourne use 1500V DC power for their trains. Perth uses 24KV AC power for their trains. 24KV, for reference, is only a few steps down from production power line output. You'd need those massive HV Transmission towers to power that hypothetical 8-car servo.
Great factual video.
Speaking out of experience of me trying to explain on one hand the usefulness of EVs with examples and the engineering stupidity of a lot of EVs with examples.
I end up being both an EV hater and an green-washing, "ecotard" EV apologist. Apparently logic is an endangered subject... glad you're keeping it alive 😀
As far as hybrids go most use far more fuel than stated by the manufacturers. "A report from the European Union’s First Commission has confirmed what most car owners who have ever kept track of their fuel use suspected: cars are using more fuel and producing greater emissions than their official WLTP ratings.
But one group of cars has been found to have particularly egregious real-world figures when compared to the claimed numbers: plug-in hybrids were found, on average, to pollute three and a half times more than their claims."
True, I read that report! John didn't!
@@vidzony I'm sure he read that report but it conveniently slipped his mind. Just like he always forgets to add the emissions from extracting, refining, transporting, dispensing his sponsors (the hidden ones, hello Toyota) beloved hydrocarbons and let's not forget the fugitive emissions. I have seen estimates as high as 40% in addition to tailpipe emissions.
@@rattusfinkus Maybe he did, but conveniently he picks only the facts that make his arguments, or takes from a report only what suits him...
Also he doesn't give pertinent replys...
@@vidzony true, to actually argue the point would reveal the holes in his arguments, and we don't want that,
he needs to perpetuate that air of ocker intellectuality.
I can't decide if he is paid or narrow minded or angry that he can't keep up with the change...
Reason 8 is why you have stationary storage at an EV charging station. You probably need about 2-10MWh, depending on the usage.
Stationary storage is connected to the grid, and recharges during off peak or over production of solar.
EV’s are just a dud option if you want to scale it up to match what we currently have. A ten bowser fuel station can refuel up to 120 vehicles an hour. To refuel a similar number of EVs per hour you would need at least 100 fast chargers. You also need the electrical infrastructure to allow all these charges to charge at the maximum rate for each of the vehicles connected, if you want to match the refuelling capacity of a 10 bowser fuel station. A level 3 Fast charger can get you to 80% charge at a comparatively rapid rate (compared to a level 1 or level 2 charger). Once it hits 80% charge the charging rate slows considerably. Obviously if you only charge to 80% your range is going to be reduced. Which means you have to charge more frequently. Which means you need more recharging stations along a route to manage the reduced range.
This is while you are trying to create a business model where you can get a return on your capital outlay. Just to buy a 100 level 3 chargers is going to cost at least $5.5 million. You also have to purchase or lease the land upon which you wish to locate your ev recharging business. Then you have to pay for all the electrical infrastructure to enable all your customers to charge at their maximum capacity at times of peak demand. Then pay to get it installed. While your doing that, you have to ensure your local electricity supplier can provide sufficient electricity to meet your maximum projected demand. Once you’ve done your calculations you then need to look at the opportunity cost of that capital investment. Then multiply that by all the new ev recharging stations you need to machine what we have already got.
That's a LOT of stationary storage - likely 100s of MWh to cope with peak demand at a busy station - eg on a motorway. Far more if we are also using electric trucks. Current grid storage costs around $150k per MWh. Plus the CO2 embedded in the storage battery would be enormous. Sound like a horrible solution both economically and ecologically - not remotely practical.
@@bruiser6479 It took me about 25 minutes to reacharge a Polestar 2 to 80% on 125kW charger, so at that throughput you are looking at needing 5x the number of chargers than a petrol station.
But it's not exactly a like for like comparision, as generally fast chargers are by amenities, at which you would stop for a while anyway. When doing Sydney-Melbourne in an ICE, we often stop for 30 or 40 minutes, which is plenty of time to recharge an EV if we were driving one.
In terms of charging speed, CATL's new LMFP battery has a 4C capability, meaning charging to 80% in about 10 minutes, so 2x the speed of a petrol pump.
In terms of delivering the energy, actually it's a lot simpler than you make out. A stationary storage battery is connected to the grid. It's filled up during the offpeak (coal) or from solar at midday at a low rate, and the owner makes a profit (a sizeable one) on selling the electrons at about 600% margin or more.
There is a capital outlay, that's true, but there is a significant capital outlay for petrol stations as well.
Cost of the actual charging stations will come down in price. They are just a glorified plug with a computer chip inside, just at a higher voltage/ampage, that's about it.
And at the end of the day, you are refuelling with electricity from Aussie coal, gas, wind or solar, not imported petroleum imported from the Middle East along dubious supply chains.
@@tullochgorum6323 Well it's clearly practical, as charging stations are being rolled out around the world.
10MWh stationary storage is enough for 200EVs. That's plenty, especially if you also have a high voltage grid connection.
The figure of 150k for 1MWh is off by at least 2x. Prices for 1kWh of EV battery storage, so higher grade than stationary storage, is projected to hit $50US this year, so about $80AUS. That's 80k for EV grade storage, probably about half that for stationary storage.
CO2 embedded in a battery depends entirely on what was used in the refining process. Given many mines are going electric, that is rapidly decreasing. It's currently approximately 60,000 km of petrol equivalent, depending on your assumptions, but that number is coming down rapidly.
Electric trucks will require a separate charging station because of their configuration and the power needed (around 1MW).
I don't disagree that there's a lot of work to be done. But that it's unfeasible or uneconomical, no, that's not the case, clearly not the case as why would private companies be investing tens of billions into charging infrastructure.
Charging a battery from another battery puts wear on TWO sets of batteries and should always be a last resort and not The Plan.
I enjoy hearing these different views.
Most here very fair criticisms, especially on the power distribution and charge rate piece.
Grid is shit to behind with, hard to see that being tackled in any meaningful way. Particularly in the west. Particularly in high density areas.
John your points are so correct. Maybe if you drive an ICE vehicle, buy the best type of fuel for that vehicle. I drive a diesel and use premium diesel fuel. I am afraid that you might tell me that I am a bit of an idiot believing in their corporate advertising. Diesel fuel today is way better than what it was in the 1990's. Technology will improve the future.
And of course we have infinite oil reserves... Oh wait...