I want to make a point! I'm not trying to make Nietzsche look bad because he went to madness. I'm trying to make a point, which is that Nietzsche made a mistake - a big one. He isolated himself and pushed people away. That was his choice; we can't judge his life choices. But my point is this: if you're someone who wants to awaken your true self, your deepest purpose, don't annihilate others or your family in the process. You can have both, and life can be much more fulfilling with both - living from your deepest truth and loving everyone you know freely, without trying to make them like you or isolating yourself if they refuse to be like you.
Exactly cannot, N abandoned them because he genuinely wanted to create a new philosophy and he wanted to get out of reactive things as much as possible! He viewed many people like that reactive! Yet you cannot claim that he wanted to isolate himself, for he repeatedly wrote Matilda von and his mother and sister to find a suitable wife for him ! At last your assumption that N thinks his philosophy was wrong is out of question, since after becoming mad he claims himself as Dionysus! Which is what his Philosophy ends at Dionysus vs crucified! He actually did create a new god ! Also N reviewed all of his books in eccehomo and was happy with it and also have written about it in ecce homo and nacklass ! Also when you say that in ecce homo N has written 'why am i smart' this is not feature of madness infact it's a new active language N wanted to create in response to Christianity's slave morality language, Peter sloterdjik has done article on that Nietzsche's apostle! Finally it's just either medical reason or divine madness !
Every single person I have let into my life has betrayed and abused me. So, I'm going to side with Nietzsche on this point. I have given up on human relationships.
O desafio nietzscheano continua aberto para quem ousar ir além dos enquadramentos que ele denunciou. Diagnostica- lo,pois, como paciente da medicina e sintoma de quem tem medo dele. Que tenha pessoalmente enlouquecido no final da vida só sinaliza sobre a fraqueza de quem apenas anuncia sobre a possível, talvez necessaria superação humana... Tendo em vista nossa presente situacao, as voltas com tarefas aparentemente fora de nosso controle ou capacidade, das quais continuamos fugindo ou delegando aos mesmos fetiches de sempre, torna-se de fato uma loucura talvez terminal...
I feel like Nietzsche became what he hated. In his scathing criticism of the resentment of the herd he became a resentful man. He resented the resentful and found himself caught in a double bind. The irony is that his philosophical hero Arthur schopenhauer who he turned against after calling him a life denying nihilist, retained all of his mental faculties, lived up to an old age, managed to attain some level of success and fame in his lifetime, enjoyed going to the opera and fine dining, actually managed to get laid without going to prostitutes and also advised compassion for his fellow man. He also managed Solitude much much better than Nietzsche did. I think what schopenhauer and the Buddhists understood that nietzsche didn't is that clinging to life is the root of sufferring and nietzsche's philosophy was him desperately clinging on to life after rejecting his former hero
You have to keep in mind that Nietzsche had physical issues that may have contributed to his mental issues as well. His father also died young and the autopsy found a quarter of his brain had disappeared. I think you make some interesting points but ultimately I feel that Nietzsche is heroic for enduring through his issues.
@@cosmosaic8117 that's true i did kinda overlook that. I do think he resented the herd through and it's understandable because he was a genius and there's a negative feedback loop that comes into play with really intelligent people and how they relate to the average person. Most highly intelligent people go through the experience of being picked on by others when they are young because they stand out and that has this compound effect of making them resent the average person and in doing so they start to treat people with disdain which makes them even more disliked causing people to treat them even worse in return which makes them resent them even more and so on and so on.....i think this is why schopenhauer was better able to deal with this because he understood thay compassion was the way out of this negative feedback loop, which coincidentally is a very christian idea. I think nietzsche threw a lot of babies out with the bathwater in his rejection of Christianity
@@James-ll3jb don't get me wrong I understand why he felt that way and I don't judge him for that but ultimately I think that is something that should be overcome. In my mind a true overman would have no resentment for anyone
Unfortunately, I agree completely. However, I'm also finding that searching for character in empathy and those who don't believe people are horrible to be the type of people to be around. You may not find the same to be true, but the uploader is correct.
@pawerymut9033 I think for myself. I've surrounded myself with no one because the people I want to be influenced by, I haven't reached their level of capability that they would accept me, yet. If we are the average of whom we surround ourselves with, I'd like to be surrounded by people who are capable of thinking in abstract ways to put unconventional ideas out there as mere options the world can use as a way to bring peace through understanding and options that truly benefit everyone, should they decide that's the way to go. Perfectly fine not to use them. I'm not even sure such a level is possible to achieve, especially by me, and especially by me alone. Does that answer your question? Forgive me, I'm not educated like you are and the only thing that might qualify me is the desire to become that and the willingness to tredge and to learn.
@@ziadahmed2051 what he means in that quote is you should not keep your focus on the (madness of life, injustice, envy, evil) because slowly you will become that person, because what you focus on is what you become that the law of the universe
The “abyss” is a romantic, poetic way of expressing the suffering and despair one must inevitably go through as they progress along a spiritual path, as they disentangle from everything they had previously identified with. The closest thing to what Nietzsche resembled in his later years was a _mast_ - a spiritual “wayfarer” who has lost touch with ordinary reality. Look up Meher Baba’s work with _masts._ William Donkin’s book _The Wayfarers_ covers the topic in detail.
@@CrazyLinguiniLegs Yes, but no. We can say many things and the 'abyss' can take many forms and interpretations. But the spiritual one is not very "exegetic" with regards to the man and the myth. I would argue the Abyss is rather the grim end state or the ultimate reality after all veils of appearance and comfort are torn down or stripped of, not something one - the hero on his mythical journey - can pass or struggle through to become an enlightened sage or the "real man" his is suppose to be. I donno and I don't care that much tbh but these spiritual interpretations sound a bit stretched if not phony as well. Nietzsche did well but man can take only so much. And every man has a breaking point. Did he commit a frigging "mistake" - of course he did. But then again only with the quotation marks attached; the question, the assumption, sounds only too patronizing and completely inadequate. We all are damn mistakes of chance and yet we wanna be so perfect that it is beyond hilarious. So our life saving and to the 2nd power elevating conclusion goes as follows: Live with wit and humour, irony and play and all goes easy like a summer day. - While we accept and admit the abyss as the bare human condition of no escape and yet we escape it all the time. For a reason. So, yes, in a sense we go and peer into the abyss and even stay "almost there" for awhile but not for too long and return then back among the common people like us and have a jolly good time with beautiful women. We know better now but that's about it. No higher plane of existence realized. There ain't such. Oh, yes, there are, you say now - yes, but they are not any higher even if you were "high". - My two cents of "wisdom" for free.
This video does Nietzsche dirty with lots of misinformation. He did not cut contact with his family or abandon his friends. The horse incident is also widely considered to be fictional among Nietzsche scholars, there are no accounts or any other evidence that it occurred.
If you read the articles listed below, you will see that in all likelihood Nietzsche did have a begnign retrobubal tumour around his right optic nerve. Retrobubal means it was pushing backwards into the right frontal lobe of his brain, and so the fact that photgraphs show no external tumour is to be expected, although you can in fact see a slight bulging of his right eye in the photo where you say "photos show no bulging" ( 6:20 ). The reason he broke with his sister is because she married the antisemite Bernhard Foster, but contrary to what you say he remained in close contact with not only his mother but also his friends through his extensive daily correspondence right up untill 1888. Have you not read his letters? It was Nietzsche who rejected academic philosophy, not vice versa. (i.e. he was not a 'pariah'). His life of wandering was chosen freely and deliberately because he liked it. Haven't you read "The Wanderer and His Shadow?" or "The Songs of Prince Vogelfrei"? Or "Thus Spake Zarathustra?" Or "Dawn"? Or "The Joyful Wisdom"? Or the bit in "The Future of Our Educational Institutions" where her says “The ‘prophet’ pose is such a presumptuous one that it seems almost ridiculous to deny that I have the intention of adopting it”? Or Human All Too Human Book I §475 where he says Jesus was the nobelest human being who ever lived? Or any of the articles below? To say Nietzsche "abused drugs" because he took the chloral hydrate prescribed by a medical practitioner is not only just plain wrong but actively slanderous. The "hugging the horse" anecdote has been shown to be a fiction. Fact is, you greatly overestimate your knowledge of Nietzsche's biography, not to mention your understanding of his philosophy. Put simply, you mistake Nietzsche for someone he is not. Cybulska, Eva “Nietzsche: madness as literature” Psychiatric Bulletin 21(1997) pp. 510 - 511 Cybulska, Eva “The Madness of Nietzsche: the Misdiagnosis of the Millennium?” Hospital Medicine 61(2000) pp.571-575 Sax, Leonard “What was the cause of Nietzsche’s Dementia?” Journal of Medical Biography 11(2003) pp. 47-54 Orth, M. and M.R. Trimble, “Friedrich Nietzsche’s mental illness - general paralysis of the insane vs. frontotemporal dementia.” Acta Psychiatrica Scandanavia 114(2006) pp. 439 - 444 Hemelsoet and Devreese, “The Neurological Illness of Friedrich Nietzsche” Acta Neurologica Belgium 108(2008) pp. 9-16
I think we will never know what the truth is because we haven't been there, the point of this video is not to criticize nietzsche, it's to do not make the same mistake he did. He isolated himself completely and for a normal human being that may be the closest experience to death.
Indeed. Isolation is a human nature. It is a choice like he said. The humans are being divide into two, the socials and not. So, it is not a "mistake" at all. It is a choice with no correct or wrong, mistake or nor, or what. It is a choice with no label. But if you insist, then okay. Voice has been said. That's all.
Hang on - you've said "we will never know the truth" but then have proceeded with a conclusion that you seem very confident of and present as fact. What gives? @@Whisperingideas
Nietzsche was definitely brilliant but a bit of a hypocrite. He constantly preached about strength, power, and raw independence. Yet he failed to be any of those things himself.
I would like to say that we understand whatever we want from philosophy and philosophers. Although I don't claim to know what philosophy is in its entirety, I understand that philosophy is about understanding. Not everybody understands me. I don't always understand myself. But I understand it when others understand me. Understanding does not need to be put into words. My experiences are what make me understand things. I make things my own by understanding things, by naming things, by playing with things in the sand. The reality I experience is my reality. But if you have not experienced things similar to my things, how much can you understand me? Yes, you can understand me in a general sense, but this general understanding is unfair to me, it reduces me to certain things and it makes me sad. Philosophy is much the same. Philosophy is immanent to reality, and my relation to things in reality is private and special. If I have little to no concerns for political philosophy, Plato's Republic will not address my life. Any understand Plato can offer would be lost to me if, for example, I am in depression. In a state of depression, I am more open to understanding Sylvyia Plath, Albert Camus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky... Logos, discourse, speech - whatever you want to call it- functions to legitimize my desires by placing things in a logical order. With words I maintain my control over things. But the things I control are not the real objects of the world, they are my toys, my fictions. Ultimately I, the subject of my speech, am also a fiction. Then where do I reside if not in logos? We don't know. Existence surpasses the realm of knowledge - much like experience. That we can understand. It is best not to mistake the sandcastles we build for real castles.
@@mewe1023 In a severe illness or in a state of deep love, the mind has little control. In a sense the body has a mind of its own. If I separate “I” from my body, which is what language does, I will inevitably think that my body does not obey my commands. Is it really my mind where I exist? Oscar Wilde puts it marvellously: "The true nature of the senses had never been understood, and that they had remained savage and animal merely because the world had sought to starve them into submission or to kill them by pain, instead of aiming at making them elements of a new spirituality, of which a fine instinct for beauty was to be the dominant characteristic." The word aesthetics derives from the Greek word aisthesthai ("sensation/perception", "sense of perception"). The ancient Greeks' understanding of perception is very different from ours; they understood perception as a sensory activity rather than a rational and intellectual one.
It makes me angry and frustrated that people continue to blame Nietzsche for his psychotic break. All of the credible scholars accept that he lost his mind because he was physically ill, either syphilis or a congenital disease 🤬
Not true. Nietzsche’s foremost interpreter ‘Darwin of the human sciences’ Rene Girard reckons he was destroyed by his own ressentiment- see his Superman in the Underground: Strategies of Madness- Nietzsche, Wagner and Dostoevsky or Dionysus versus the Crucified.
Not at all. His erroneous philosphy and/or his own weak character most likely led to his madness. Nietzsche fanboy scholars don't like that, so they say, without any good evidence, that he had syphilis -- or we don't know, something!
@@kenjohnson6326 late onset schizophrenia is extremely rare. The type of delusions that Nietzsche had is much more consistent with organic psychosis, also known as neuro-psychosis. Memory loss, migraines, and incontinence are classic symptoms of organic psychosis. There is no such thing as psychosis driven purely by belief. Furthermore, Nietzsche experienced periods of lucidity common place in dementia. I am a trained clinical psychologist, so I know a lot about these kinds of things.
@@ibrahimkurdieh3728 You might be a trained clinical psychologist but you're not an educated one. And who says Nietzsche had periods of lucidity? He almost certainly didn't.
I don't understand why people decide to use his Mental illness at the end of his Life as a way to throw Shade on his Philosophical GREATNESS...Jesus Christ was killed in the most Humiliating Way possible, Crucifixion like a Criminal and yet there's an Entire Religion founded on his Life and Teachings...Y'all judge too much...Attribute of Inferior Mind
Some of the paintings, pictures and illustrations you found are nothing short of breath-taking. Had to pause a dozen times just to comprehend and appreciate what I was seeing. Good stuff!
I’m no Nietzsche scholar, but whenever I read him, I find myself at one of two extremes: either shooting holes through every sentence, or saying, “Hey, that’s me he’s talking about.”
Why would you, you can have both. Your family won't get into your way if they saw you have the will power, they might resent you first, but with time they will see that you're determined to go on your own path, and you will force them to respect your choice, this happened to me personally.
Really well done. Almost every word jibes with my own conclusions about the great but tragic Nietzsche. However you squeezed a cogent analysis into 13 short minutes, and said it better than I could. Thank you.
I like what you had to say about the horse and his reaction, perhaps an overwhelming empathy catastrophically shattered his philosophy. That’s an intriguing take on it. I would also say that going it alone and striking a path that severs all attachments to others sometimes does go well, for the occasional yogi, monk, or mystic, for instance… though they would typically have some manner of teacher who helps them from entering into madness as they extinguish the mind
Yes, I resonate with the horse anecdote as well. There is undeniably deep beauty and truth in it even if the story were "completely false and fictitious". "That must be it, so it happened!", we are inclined to cry out when hearing it and that is enough for me. A bout or burst of overwhelming compassion shattered Nietzsche's thinking and the man himself into a thousand pieces in one fateful moment (and morning?) along the philosopher's valiant life journey in Turin 1888, effectively ending it; the fortified dams of his traumatized childhood were mercilessly shattered as well and all those emotions and affections of sadness and recollections of short moments of joy poured and billowed in and the man was simply done and out, not down and out any more; crushed beyond cure or repair. What a tour of life and what a legend he came to be!
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His works are incredible. Others who describe an individual always do it with their own filter. The paradox of general existence is encapsulated in everything he says.
It is neitsche choice to endure the immense suffering that made him the genius he was. Otherwise he would be just another ordinary guy. Someone who gives you hope even if he is being crushed by existential suffering is what the society needs.
Regardless of what details of Nietzsche’s story is or isn’t true, the idea that he lost himself is apparent. I think yours is both an empathetic and self-reflective take. I know that I haven’t empathized more with Nietzsche, the fellow human being, than I have after listening to this video. Thank you.
The way is to listen, smile without resistance about how others define you, resistance only empowers what others say, remain calm and walking on the pathless path.
9:01 Envy. Your list of the 'failings' of the organizing Idea makes me smile ...you are envious. Those without a single-minded devotion trivialize existence. There are thousands of you for every one of us.
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What we all must remember , whatever be our philosophical view , is that we are all subject to the changing tides of our biological being. Anybody can have an undiagnosed illness or condition that can make him or her or them , bodily and mentally ill. But to equate that illness with a unique idea that one has thought about or written about extensively is in my view rather unkind . Nietzche was a great thinker , and philosopher who was way ahead of his time. And , yes his ideas may have been misunderstood or distorted sometimes . But , the point is that , he like many great thinkers , opened one window of a multifaceted reality which is our existence . What we must remember is that ideas are like windows to knowing or viewing reality. And windows are not doors. There are limitations to every window , just as there are limitations to our own views and body and mind . And yes, I wholly agree that we are biopsychosocial selfs , but who are we to speculate on somebody else's biopsychosocial self and what that self was that to that person at that time . We must also remember that Biographers and historians also have the biases and limitations of their own lens through which they view an idea, a person or an event. Ler us all be intellectually humble , because we live in a body too and that body despite whatever idea or intellectual view we may hold or even if we are fortunate to cultivate strong family and social bonds , is also subject to illness, decay and death. In a nutshell, our philosophy is not a vaccine against bodily or mental ill health , so then why should we drag deceased scholars and thinkers into the same picture frame .
Bollocks, his symptoms are exactly in line with the stages of syphilis. Which he contacted at a fairly early age. It also explains a lot of his health problems throughout his life. I don't know why people insist on making out his decline has some profound mystery. Often the same ones who miss the humour in his work.
The fact you know very intricate details about Nietzsche’s overall life and progress and yet still manage to narrate the horse breakdown story as if it actually happened is truly puzzling. The horse scene is a chapter from Raskolnikov’s dream in Dostoyevsky’s “Crime and Punishment” (a book Nietzsche never read) and not an actual event that took place. Maybe your Nietzsche research was a product of a.i. aid.
i was gonna be petty and say catching syphillis was his fatal mistake but then i realized you were actually talking about his decline in-depth. thats really cool because i feel like it's something that gets completely glossed over
@@МаэраСэдзи nobody Knows what's the truth bro, i mght be right you might be right, i doesn't matter because you can read my pinned comment and see why i did this video in the first place.
Your life is not what other say about you or how others define you, life naturally flows from present to present, its when we try to store or accumulate the past that comes in the form of word spells, that mind is weighed down by the beliefs of others.
I like your video and instantly subscribed due to the clarity that you give. i have an opinion on what drove Nietzsche to madness. When i started asking: Can paradise be built by man collectively in terms of ending the cycles of victimhood and abuse, literally most at best thought i was crazy and they kind of give reasons why you can't but they wouldn't offer any tangible solution nor are they even willing to discover what research is being discovered. it became so alone that at some point i felt i was going mad and then will ask myself if i was just delusional. this kind of give me an idea of Nietzsche's madness a bit but only he truly knew how he was going through i guess. Gojo once said: "you can watch a flower bloom but you can't ask it to understand you." For me i believe that Nietzsche's madness could have such element-lack of people who understood.
Your point about the lack of understanding from others resonates deeply. Nietzsche often grappled with profound ideas that set him apart, and it's tragic how that isolation can contribute to feelings of madness.
His mistake seems to have been the isolation he didn't know how to live while he probably thought himself very great. that's why he created the concept of Superman , which is ridiculous and selfish in itself and, probably that s why jordan perterson likes nietzsche. then his anger that he didn't overcome that condition and be WOW, he lived his isolation more as an effect of what he had become than as something consciously and happily chosen
Seems he started as a great critical observer. Rolls of morality and power are lost in rolls of authority. Thanks for your thoughtful essay. I don't have the will to dedicate myself to reading him.
If you write books of knowledge even with good intentions. And later change your mind or realize you were wrong in moments or even years of passion. Youve led so many to hell. . . Compounding guilt Careful what you say and lead others to believe.
Becoming who you really are IMO ,is the single most difficult thing you can attempt in life. Constant input from others weather solicited or not is a huge obstacle, to attaining this goal,as this constant static only hinders progress for the individual. Like it or not this is an individual journey, you cant bring others with you, no matter how much you want to. You can only show them the door, they have to be willing to walk through it, and embark on their own individual journey of self discovery. I don't know why Neitche went insane, but he certainly inspired and intrigued many with his writings along the way. Perhaps he discovered some unfulfilled desires he had, and realized he'd been lying to himself the whole time. That's why he called himself a fool. JMHO
1. We cannot say for certain whether he had neurosyphillis or brain tumors. 2. There was definitely a genetic component as you mentioned the father having similar issues. 3. You attack the man rather than his ideas. This is like saying we should not believe 2+2=4 because Hitler used to believe that too and look where it got him...let the ideas speak for themselves. 4. If someone tells you the way to the top is to go upward, they are right regardless of whether they fail along the way due to lack of strength or from simply having a taller mountain to climb than others...again, argue against the ideas, not the man. 5. There have been plenty of evil people who did not go crazy and plenty of good people who did. 6. Otherwise, I enjoyed the comprehensiveness of the video.
Didn't Nietzsche himself try to discredit Socrates' ideas because, according to him, the man Socrates was ugly? Nietzsche said Socrates' ideas couldn't be trusted because they came from a man harbouring resentment because of his feeling of being rather ugly in a society where bodily elegance was highly esteemed.
@@mondiriu Your comment perfectly highlights the necessity of focusing on each individual idea rather than its source (genetic fallacy). It is possible to be right about certain things without being perfectly infallible. (ie. Nietzsche may have been right about certain ideas while being wrong about whether we should discredit ideas based on their source). There are other layers to this (such as the tu quo que fallacy, and how hypocritical actions do not disprove the validity of an idea) but the above should suffice.
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We never have a choice but are expected to accept those whom we are related to; and some of them can thoroughly damage us if we are expected to embrace them only because we are related to them. We don't get to chose our parents, and having the misfortune of being the single offspring of two very damaged parents due to the horrors of the Third Reich, it would have done me greater good if I would have been adopted by a well adjusted couple. It took a good part of my life to work out the underlying problems I had concerning "social interaction". Plato in his Republic vows for a "commune" type upbringing such as the kibbutz in Israel. I'm certain that there would be greater mental stimulation (which I lacked in my lonely childhood) but one never learns to bond or do they? I never bonded with my parents and felt ashamed. Being Austrian and born just after the War put me in the clutches of a Concentration Camp survivor (Mauthausen) and a controling Catholic mother. I hated them both but also pittied them, knowing their limitations as immigrants in Canada. Both were "damaged goods" yet there were no avenues for survivors of atrocities and mental trauma being given in the German Language. Besides, it wasn't something discussed but kept to themselves. Pride still over-rides any attempt in admitting there are issues that need to be resolved. It's unfortunate that Nietzsche had such an impact, he was ill equiped to give anyone advice! Carl Jung was much more progressive and practical!
I think Freud said no one ever had a better understanding of their own self than Nietzsche? and that in his youth he could scarcely have hoped to attain the nobility of Nietzsche and that his personal history was impossible to reconstruct etc. If we try to simplify his descent into madness as a common unaware state prone to drifting into madness without ailment or disease etc. we have to sacrifice his great genius and consciousness etc. to something much less than him. Freud and Jung both owed much to Nietzsche as countless others have. Many would fall into the category of desiring a way to lower his bar so they can rise above it and in that respect Freud was much more respectful and honest than Jung about it in my opinion. We may never know for sure but I think there are medical symptoms on record. I lean towards respecting the great thinker as not giving way without substantial sufferings of different types.
He wintessed a horse brutally tortured to death as he walked by. I believe it was in NYC maybe london. To delineate the what follwed internally spiritually psychologically would take one months. He never came back from it.
When we come to know God and are known of God we know who we are and find our rest. "Come to me, all who labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” (Matthew 11:28-30)
I don't believe he shows signs of bipolar, more likely schizophrenia. It fits a lot more with his overall philosophy because you have to deal with being very different than others to start with. So it would make sense he would want a philosophy that would take out the stigma but also justify not following the rules and moralities of his time, because there is no way he could comply even if he wanted to. It also explains his isolation except for his close family, it's quite typical. It's not the cause of his madness, it's the result of it. It also explains why he wanted that one goal as an organizing principle, it's quite important if your mind tends to wander off. You need some grounding and he found it in his work. Focusing is one way to ward off psychotic thoughts, just as well as taking walks and so on. What makes it worst is intellectual activity and even more so social interaction, which makes it a lot worst in many ways. But yes, for normal people, you want a social structure in order to cope with people's malice and overall suffering, but this grooming thing is not available to the schizophrenic. So friends are always a net negative. It's not a mistake he made, it was the only choice. The only choice is to reject other people's morality and make your own and not fixate on selfhood which does not exist and cannot exist. Too disorganized to exist and be reliable. Grandiosity is often co-morbid, it's not an issue, it's a way to compensate feelings of inadequacy or simply make your own story better and build a self that cannot be found. Resenting resentment makes sense as well. I could explain the mechanism, but it's getting too long.
Yes, yes, yes, True words in their own closed, sanitized and clinical world but let's not get completely vulgar here and reduce the philsophical genius into some sobbing clustef... of co-morbidities. Normalizing won't get us anywhere.
Self esteem will self correct the pyramid it should be in center line from bottom to top. It will seek the best condition possible even if its not much. Without self esteem you dont even care to eat. And may even wish for death. Self esteem should be the foundation. And grow exponentially but never be gone. Should.
Wouldn't it be nice if these dispositions we carry were the product of some careful, dispassionate reasoning? Well, probably not. It's neither plausible nor desirable. As a staunch individualist, I find that people willfully misunderstand individualism because they are threatened by it. Beneath that, they are threatened by a mindset that is not led by moral and aesthetic impulses, and because they are committed to moralizing they cannot square up to the fact there is no objective morality. It's too threatening and causes too much vertigo. I think beneath even that there is something undisclosed to our consciousness directly that is within us that allows us to self-authorize and step into office as our own highest moral and aesthetic authority or else it does not permit this. Once you have allowed yourself to self-authorize, meaning you've stepped fearlessly into intellectual autonomy and consciously away from intellectual solidarity for its own sake - for safety's sake - others who cannot do the same will resent you for your independence. It's not an intellectual difficulty but an emotional one. After all, it's easy to explain how it is that there is no objective morality, that our moral prejudices come from below language, and that we employ language to try to bring others around to our prejudices (inventing meta-ethics as an abstract concept on the way, when our meta-ethics are really writ in proteins)... there just aren't enough external guardrails for some and this situation causes anxiety from which they flee. They wait for someone or something outside of themselves to allow them to be free, rather than freely stepping into their own authority. And here's where Nietzsche is right about looking to the history of ideas. When the Enlightenment rolled around, the break was from the Church's authority (religious authority in general), but most people still believed that there were objective moral truths, only that Science would be the way to discover what they are and not convention or tradition. For over four hundred years, many of the best and brightest minds sought to develop some firm basis upon which to measure the moral and the aesthetic. They failed. Not for lack of trying. You may now safely assume there is no objective morality besides law, which is where our subjective values overlap sufficiently for us to agree to enforce our shared prejudices with the power of the state. There are some for whom this just isn't enough and can't be. They cannot self-authorize, so they instead politic and seek buy-in, they need an exterior hierarchy within which they can locate themselves. They are compelled to compete for rank in what they think is an objective hierarchy. There is no objective moral hierarchy. There is no one, correct ontology of being. Others can only agree or disagree. Finally, you'll have no mystical, authoritative, third-party to resolve the question. The only morality detector is a human mind, and I certainly don't recognize any other humans as a moral or aesthetic superior to myself. Do you? Well, you could only grant them that authority because it is already yours to give.
The world is going to chew you up and spit you out the moment you buckle with age or weakness. Do good today. Invest in your health including mental above all else. Do good to others. And then never care to remember what you did bc it was done correctly with what you had. Do what you love, when you can.
He realized the Eternal Recurrence meant he was everyone and everyone was him, as his final letters intimate. Not a great fate for dionysian rationality!
Yeah I don't know about all that, remember folks you can't be a good philosopher if you're not a good scientist, you have a cool story but it holds no real weight
Lorazepam challenge. As BPD and ASPD are adult-onset sequelae of ASD pretty sure it's autistic catatonia. Psychiatry insists there's no such thing as an adult-onset PD but refuses to diagnose them until adulthood. ASD is a developmental delay. So they're making those PD diagnoses (which are not inevitable) early to distract autistics from bringing negligent malpractice liability claims for misdiagnosed and undisclosed pediatric ASD. Contraindicated antipsychotics prescribed to treat misdiagnoses of early-onset dementia surely hasten declines and seem to confirm misdiagnoses by the hundreds of thousands every year.
I don't know why Nietzsche went mad; nevertheless, in "Beyond Good and Evil" he repudiated what he called the "Will to Truth," i.e., pursuing truth as if it actually existed. If one esteems power more than truth, and holds to this as a first principle with the grandiloquent seriousness of a philosopher, I could see how that would lead to madness.
I want to make a point!
I'm not trying to make Nietzsche look bad because he went to madness. I'm trying to make a point, which is that Nietzsche made a mistake - a big one. He isolated himself and pushed people away. That was his choice; we can't judge his life choices. But my point is this: if you're someone who wants to awaken your true self, your deepest purpose, don't annihilate others or your family in the process. You can have both, and life can be much more fulfilling with both - living from your deepest truth and loving everyone you know freely, without trying to make them like you or isolating yourself if they refuse to be like you.
Exactly cannot, N abandoned them because he genuinely wanted to create a new philosophy and he wanted to get out of reactive things as much as possible! He viewed many people like that reactive!
Yet you cannot claim that he wanted to isolate himself, for he repeatedly wrote Matilda von and his mother and sister to find a suitable wife for him !
At last your assumption that N thinks his philosophy was wrong is out of question, since after becoming mad he claims himself as Dionysus! Which is what his Philosophy ends at
Dionysus vs crucified!
He actually did create a new god !
Also N reviewed all of his books in eccehomo and was happy with it and also have written about it in ecce homo and nacklass !
Also when you say that in ecce homo N has written 'why am i smart' this is not feature of madness infact it's a new active language N wanted to create in response to Christianity's slave morality language, Peter sloterdjik has done article on that Nietzsche's apostle!
Finally it's just either medical reason or divine madness !
Timely.
Every single person I have let into my life has betrayed and abused me. So, I'm going to side with Nietzsche on this point. I have given up on human relationships.
That's your personal.opinion based on your personal perception of someone's personal journey. That's all
@@thechaostrials1964same here
We still live in a mad society. Different era, different type, but same madness.
I think Nietzsche was one of the great thinkers, his later mental illness doesn't discredit his contributions to philosophy and modern thought.
Christians are continually assaulting Nietzsche's work because his words seem to threaten their assumed Christian hegemony.
A lot of idiots in the comments taking the opportunity to project their own shame onto him
@@hikarusaito1244couldn’t have said it better 💯
O desafio nietzscheano continua aberto para quem ousar ir além dos enquadramentos que ele denunciou.
Diagnostica- lo,pois, como paciente da medicina e sintoma de quem tem medo dele. Que tenha pessoalmente enlouquecido no final da vida só sinaliza sobre a fraqueza de quem apenas anuncia sobre a possível, talvez necessaria superação humana...
Tendo em vista nossa presente situacao, as voltas com tarefas aparentemente fora de nosso controle ou capacidade, das quais continuamos fugindo ou delegando aos mesmos fetiches de sempre, torna-se de fato uma loucura talvez terminal...
I feel like Nietzsche became what he hated. In his scathing criticism of the resentment of the herd he became a resentful man. He resented the resentful and found himself caught in a double bind. The irony is that his philosophical hero Arthur schopenhauer who he turned against after calling him a life denying nihilist, retained all of his mental faculties, lived up to an old age, managed to attain some level of success and fame in his lifetime, enjoyed going to the opera and fine dining, actually managed to get laid without going to prostitutes and also advised compassion for his fellow man. He also managed Solitude much much better than Nietzsche did. I think what schopenhauer and the Buddhists understood that nietzsche didn't is that clinging to life is the root of sufferring and nietzsche's philosophy was him desperately clinging on to life after rejecting his former hero
You have to keep in mind that Nietzsche had physical issues that may have contributed to his mental issues as well.
His father also died young and the autopsy found a quarter of his brain had disappeared.
I think you make some interesting points but ultimately I feel that Nietzsche is heroic for enduring through his issues.
@@cosmosaic8117 that's true i did kinda overlook that. I do think he resented the herd through and it's understandable because he was a genius and there's a negative feedback loop that comes into play with really intelligent people and how they relate to the average person. Most highly intelligent people go through the experience of being picked on by others when they are young because they stand out and that has this compound effect of making them resent the average person and in doing so they start to treat people with disdain which makes them even more disliked causing people to treat them even worse in return which makes them resent them even more and so on and so on.....i think this is why schopenhauer was better able to deal with this because he understood thay compassion was the way out of this negative feedback loop, which coincidentally is a very christian idea. I think nietzsche threw a lot of babies out with the bathwater in his rejection of Christianity
I thought that once. Then I realized my comprehension of him was all too superficial.
"Resenting the resentful" is hardly the royal road to madness!
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@@James-ll3jb don't get me wrong I understand why he felt that way and I don't judge him for that but ultimately I think that is something that should be overcome. In my mind a true overman would have no resentment for anyone
It is hard to surround yourself with friends and family when you find yourself surrounded by fools. Very few people choose to think for themselves.
Unfortunately, I agree completely. However, I'm also finding that searching for character in empathy and those who don't believe people are horrible to be the type of people to be around. You may not find the same to be true, but the uploader is correct.
Where do you find yourself? Are you surrounded by fools? Do you think for yourself?
@pawerymut9033 I think for myself. I've surrounded myself with no one because the people I want to be influenced by, I haven't reached their level of capability that they would accept me, yet. If we are the average of whom we surround ourselves with, I'd like to be surrounded by people who are capable of thinking in abstract ways to put unconventional ideas out there as mere options the world can use as a way to bring peace through understanding and options that truly benefit everyone, should they decide that's the way to go. Perfectly fine not to use them. I'm not even sure such a level is possible to achieve, especially by me, and especially by me alone.
Does that answer your question? Forgive me, I'm not educated like you are and the only thing that might qualify me is the desire to become that and the willingness to tredge and to learn.
Name one genius that ain't crazy.
You
@@Whisperingideasthe real issue is most people are insane & contribute nothing.
Shakespeare, Jane Austen, Pascal, Chomsky, Picasso, Joyce -- on and on, in fact most of them.
@@kenjohnson6326 Chomsky 😂 not a genius totally crazy though
Dude he founded the entire field of linguistics as a side note in his life @@bryanutility9609
He gaze long into a abbyss And he went to madness
He said it himself "if you gaze into the abyss the abyss gazes back"
U both are wrong, he stood to what he asked even if i don't approve of it now
He sun gazed until he went blind
@@ziadahmed2051 what he means in that quote is you should not keep your focus on the (madness of life, injustice, envy, evil) because slowly you will become that person, because what you focus on is what you become that the law of the universe
The “abyss” is a romantic, poetic way of expressing the suffering and despair one must inevitably go through as they progress along a spiritual path, as they disentangle from everything they had previously identified with. The closest thing to what Nietzsche resembled in his later years was a _mast_ - a spiritual “wayfarer” who has lost touch with ordinary reality. Look up Meher Baba’s work with _masts._ William Donkin’s book _The Wayfarers_ covers the topic in detail.
@@CrazyLinguiniLegs Yes, but no. We can say many things and the 'abyss' can take many forms and interpretations. But the spiritual one is not very "exegetic" with regards to the man and the myth. I would argue the Abyss is rather the grim end state or the ultimate reality after all veils of appearance and comfort are torn down or stripped of, not something one - the hero on his mythical journey - can pass or struggle through to become an enlightened sage or the "real man" his is suppose to be. I donno and I don't care that much tbh but these spiritual interpretations sound a bit stretched if not phony as well. Nietzsche did well but man can take only so much. And every man has a breaking point. Did he commit a frigging "mistake" - of course he did. But then again only with the quotation marks attached; the question, the assumption, sounds only too patronizing and completely inadequate. We all are damn mistakes of chance and yet we wanna be so perfect that it is beyond hilarious. So our life saving and to the 2nd power elevating conclusion goes as follows: Live with wit and humour, irony and play and all goes easy like a summer day. - While we accept and admit the abyss as the bare human condition of no escape and yet we escape it all the time. For a reason. So, yes, in a sense we go and peer into the abyss and even stay "almost there" for awhile but not for too long and return then back among the common people like us and have a jolly good time with beautiful women. We know better now but that's about it. No higher plane of existence realized. There ain't such. Oh, yes, there are, you say now - yes, but they are not any higher even if you were "high". - My two cents of "wisdom" for free.
This video does Nietzsche dirty with lots of misinformation. He did not cut contact with his family or abandon his friends. The horse incident is also widely considered to be fictional among Nietzsche scholars, there are no accounts or any other evidence that it occurred.
I agree
If you read the articles listed below, you will see that in all likelihood Nietzsche did have a begnign retrobubal tumour around his right optic nerve. Retrobubal means it was pushing backwards into the right frontal lobe of his brain, and so the fact that photgraphs show no external tumour is to be expected, although you can in fact see a slight bulging of his right eye in the photo where you say "photos show no bulging" ( 6:20 ). The reason he broke with his sister is because she married the antisemite Bernhard Foster, but contrary to what you say he remained in close contact with not only his mother but also his friends through his extensive daily correspondence right up untill 1888. Have you not read his letters? It was Nietzsche who rejected academic philosophy, not vice versa. (i.e. he was not a 'pariah'). His life of wandering was chosen freely and deliberately because he liked it. Haven't you read "The Wanderer and His Shadow?" or "The Songs of Prince Vogelfrei"? Or "Thus Spake Zarathustra?" Or "Dawn"? Or "The Joyful Wisdom"? Or the bit in "The Future of Our Educational Institutions" where her says “The ‘prophet’ pose is such a presumptuous one that it seems almost ridiculous to deny that I have the intention of adopting it”? Or Human All Too Human Book I §475 where he says Jesus was the nobelest human being who ever lived? Or any of the articles below? To say Nietzsche "abused drugs" because he took the chloral hydrate prescribed by a medical practitioner is not only just plain wrong but actively slanderous. The "hugging the horse" anecdote has been shown to be a fiction. Fact is, you greatly overestimate your knowledge of Nietzsche's biography, not to mention your understanding of his philosophy. Put simply, you mistake Nietzsche for someone he is not.
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I think we will never know what the truth is because we haven't been there, the point of this video is not to criticize nietzsche, it's to do not make the same mistake he did. He isolated himself completely and for a normal human being that may be the closest experience to death.
@@Whisperingideas bro how do you know it's a mistake!
Indeed. Isolation is a human nature. It is a choice like he said. The humans are being divide into two, the socials and not. So, it is not a "mistake" at all. It is a choice with no correct or wrong, mistake or nor, or what. It is a choice with no label. But if you insist, then okay. Voice has been said. That's all.
Nietzsche mistook himself for someone he was not. Nothing less ‘Nietzsche an’ than his relationship with his erstwhile idol Wagner.
Hang on - you've said "we will never know the truth" but then have proceeded with a conclusion that you seem very confident of and present as fact. What gives? @@Whisperingideas
Nietzsche was definitely brilliant but a bit of a hypocrite. He constantly preached about strength, power, and raw independence. Yet he failed to be any of those things himself.
I don’t agree that made him a hypocrite. Perhaps those were values or ideals he simply believed in.
@ but what kind of man doesn’t live by his values or ideals?
I would like to say that we understand whatever we want from philosophy and philosophers. Although I don't claim to know what philosophy is in its entirety, I understand that philosophy is about understanding.
Not everybody understands me. I don't always understand myself. But I understand it when others understand me. Understanding does not need to be put into words.
My experiences are what make me understand things. I make things my own by understanding things, by naming things, by playing with things in the sand. The reality I experience is my reality.
But if you have not experienced things similar to my things, how much can you understand me? Yes, you can understand me in a general sense, but this general understanding is unfair to me, it reduces me to certain things and it makes me sad.
Philosophy is much the same. Philosophy is immanent to reality, and my relation to things in reality is private and special. If I have little to no concerns for political philosophy, Plato's Republic will not address my life. Any understand Plato can offer would be lost to me if, for example, I am in depression. In a state of depression, I am more open to understanding Sylvyia Plath, Albert Camus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky...
Logos, discourse, speech - whatever you want to call it- functions to legitimize my desires by placing things in a logical order. With words I maintain my control over things. But the things I control are not the real objects of the world, they are my toys, my fictions.
Ultimately I, the subject of my speech, am also a fiction. Then where do I reside if not in logos?
We don't know. Existence surpasses the realm of knowledge - much like experience. That we can understand.
It is best not to mistake the sandcastles we build for real castles.
So true what you said about understanding
@@doxadri Loved it, thanks for sharing your wonderful thoughts.
Its always the mind that forms reality and we can change our reality by control it.
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In a severe illness or in a state of deep love, the mind has little control. In a sense the body has a mind of its own. If I separate “I” from my body, which is what language does, I will inevitably think that my body does not obey my commands.
Is it really my mind where I exist?
Oscar Wilde puts it marvellously: "The true nature of the senses had never been understood, and that they had remained savage and animal merely because the world had sought to starve them into submission or to kill them by pain, instead of aiming at making them elements of a new spirituality, of which a fine instinct for beauty was to be the dominant characteristic."
The word aesthetics derives from the Greek word aisthesthai ("sensation/perception", "sense of perception"). The ancient Greeks' understanding of perception is very different from ours; they understood perception as a sensory activity rather than a rational and intellectual one.
We understand what we want from philosophy and philosophers if we have no philosophical training and we're idiots.
It makes me angry and frustrated that people continue to blame Nietzsche for his psychotic break. All of the credible scholars accept that he lost his mind because he was physically ill, either syphilis or a congenital disease 🤬
Not true. Nietzsche’s foremost interpreter ‘Darwin of the human sciences’ Rene Girard reckons he was destroyed by his own ressentiment- see his Superman in the Underground: Strategies of Madness- Nietzsche, Wagner and Dostoevsky or Dionysus versus the Crucified.
Not at all. His erroneous philosphy and/or his own weak character most likely led to his madness. Nietzsche fanboy scholars don't like that, so they say, without any good evidence, that he had syphilis -- or we don't know, something!
@@kenjohnson6326 what a Silly Statement...
@@kenjohnson6326 late onset schizophrenia is extremely rare. The type of delusions that Nietzsche had is much more consistent with organic psychosis, also known as neuro-psychosis. Memory loss, migraines, and incontinence are classic symptoms of organic psychosis. There is no such thing as psychosis driven purely by belief. Furthermore, Nietzsche experienced periods of lucidity common place in dementia. I am a trained clinical psychologist, so I know a lot about these kinds of things.
@@ibrahimkurdieh3728 You might be a trained clinical psychologist but you're not an educated one. And who says Nietzsche had periods of lucidity? He almost certainly didn't.
I don't understand why people decide to use his Mental illness at the end of his Life as a way to throw Shade on his Philosophical GREATNESS...Jesus Christ was killed in the most Humiliating Way possible, Crucifixion like a Criminal and yet there's an Entire Religion founded on his Life and Teachings...Y'all judge too much...Attribute of Inferior Mind
Jesus Is a Fairytale, buddy.
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Some of the paintings, pictures and illustrations you found are nothing short of breath-taking. Had to pause a dozen times just to comprehend and appreciate what I was seeing. Good stuff!
I’m no Nietzsche scholar, but whenever I read him, I find myself at one of two extremes: either shooting holes through every sentence, or saying, “Hey, that’s me he’s talking about.”
I don’t think it’s impossible to go it alone. It’s unorthodox and challenging but not impossible.
Why would you, you can have both. Your family won't get into your way if they saw you have the will power, they might resent you first, but with time they will see that you're determined to go on your own path, and you will force them to respect your choice, this happened to me personally.
I’m not sure there is any other way than alone. It hurts.
Really well done. Almost every word jibes with my own conclusions about the great but tragic Nietzsche. However you squeezed a cogent analysis into 13 short minutes, and said it better than I could. Thank you.
I like what you had to say about the horse and his reaction, perhaps an overwhelming empathy catastrophically shattered his philosophy. That’s an intriguing take on it.
I would also say that going it alone and striking a path that severs all attachments to others sometimes does go well, for the occasional yogi, monk, or mystic, for instance… though they would typically have some manner of teacher who helps them from entering into madness as they extinguish the mind
sometimes the guidance of a teacher is the key to avoiding madness on those solitary paths.
Yes, I resonate with the horse anecdote as well. There is undeniably deep beauty and truth in it even if the story were "completely false and fictitious". "That must be it, so it happened!", we are inclined to cry out when hearing it and that is enough for me. A bout or burst of overwhelming compassion shattered Nietzsche's thinking and the man himself into a thousand pieces in one fateful moment (and morning?) along the philosopher's valiant life journey in Turin 1888, effectively ending it; the fortified dams of his traumatized childhood were mercilessly shattered as well and all those emotions and affections of sadness and recollections of short moments of joy poured and billowed in and the man was simply done and out, not down and out any more; crushed beyond cure or repair. What a tour of life and what a legend he came to be!
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i must keep giving my gift fully and deepy to the world that's my purpose, and it is my highest priority. Thank you for the comment.
His works are incredible. Others who describe an individual always do it with their own filter. The paradox of general existence is encapsulated in everything he says.
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Our brother, Fred, strove in his individuation high ground of honesty to himself and humanity as society trailed along, not listening nor learning.
"The first step to self knowledge is to not study self at all" made him the man he is
It is neitsche choice to endure the immense suffering that made him the genius he was. Otherwise he would be just another ordinary guy. Someone who gives you hope even if he is being crushed by existential suffering is what the society needs.
Regardless of what details of Nietzsche’s story is or isn’t true, the idea that he lost himself is apparent. I think yours is both an empathetic and self-reflective take. I know that I haven’t empathized more with Nietzsche, the fellow human being, than I have after listening to this video. Thank you.
The way is to listen, smile without resistance about how others define you, resistance only empowers what others say, remain calm and walking on the pathless path.
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Envy.
Your list of the 'failings' of the organizing Idea makes me smile ...you are envious.
Those without a single-minded devotion trivialize existence. There are thousands of you for every one of us.
What do you mean by "existence"?
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The world is maddening. Nietzsche a savior, a light in the darkness. Tis tis on a world of madness. Lost in it's own ego.
Some beautiful pictures you showed there. 👍
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He went crazy from the Siphillis like other distinguished gentlemen such as Al Capone👌
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What we all must remember , whatever be our philosophical view , is that we are all subject to the changing tides of our biological being.
Anybody can have an undiagnosed illness or condition that can make him or her or them , bodily and mentally ill. But to equate that illness with a unique idea that one has thought about or written about extensively is in my view rather unkind .
Nietzche was a great thinker , and philosopher who was way ahead of his time. And , yes his ideas may have been misunderstood or distorted sometimes . But , the point is that , he like many great thinkers , opened one window of a multifaceted reality which is our existence .
What we must remember is that ideas are like windows to knowing or viewing reality. And windows are not doors. There are limitations to every window , just as there are limitations to our own views and body and mind .
And yes, I wholly agree that we are biopsychosocial selfs , but who are we to speculate on somebody else's biopsychosocial self and what that self was that to that person at that time .
We must also remember that Biographers and historians also have the biases and limitations of their own lens through which they view an idea, a person or an event.
Ler us all be intellectually humble , because we live in a body too and that body despite whatever idea or intellectual view we may hold or even if we are fortunate to cultivate strong family and social bonds , is also subject to illness, decay and death.
In a nutshell, our philosophy is not a vaccine against bodily or mental ill health , so then why should we drag deceased scholars and thinkers into the same picture frame .
Spot on
Thank you for providing an an excellent analysis of Nietzsche and his descent into madness.
Nietzsche put his faith in Dionysus - the god of madness.
Bollocks, his symptoms are exactly in line with the stages of syphilis. Which he contacted at a fairly early age. It also explains a lot of his health problems throughout his life. I don't know why people insist on making out his decline has some profound mystery. Often the same ones who miss the humour in his work.
he left a philosophy where we can where we find ourselves
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The fact you know very intricate details about Nietzsche’s overall life and progress and yet still manage to narrate the horse breakdown story as if it actually happened is truly puzzling. The horse scene is a chapter from Raskolnikov’s dream in Dostoyevsky’s “Crime and Punishment” (a book Nietzsche never read) and not an actual event that took place. Maybe your Nietzsche research was a product of a.i. aid.
Nietzsche resonate with me in all aspects. I know he went too far but his Philosophy is still valuable for better living.
Agree
i was gonna be petty and say catching syphillis was his fatal mistake but then i realized you were actually talking about his decline in-depth. thats really cool because i feel like it's something that gets completely glossed over
Yes that's true
Instead you could have done some research that would eventually lead you to discover that it was a misdiagnosis
@@МаэраСэдзи nobody Knows what's the truth bro, i mght be right you might be right, i doesn't matter because you can read my pinned comment and see why i did this video in the first place.
Division, wether psychological or physical always leads to conflict.
It’s called syphilis.
That’s what made him go “mad”.
Beautiful video, thanks by all means.
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Excellent encapsulation. Subscribed.
He would have laughed his ass off at Maslow😅
Very good diagnosis of an artist-philosopher. Close to Will Durants famous interpretation, except he didn't have DSM
Your life is not what other say about you or how others define you, life naturally flows from present to present, its when we try to store or accumulate the past that comes in the form of word spells, that mind is weighed down by the beliefs of others.
I like your video and instantly subscribed due to the clarity that you give. i have an opinion on what drove Nietzsche to madness. When i started asking: Can paradise be built by man collectively in terms of ending the cycles of victimhood and abuse, literally most at best thought i was crazy and they kind of give reasons why you can't but they wouldn't offer any tangible solution nor are they even willing to discover what research is being discovered. it became so alone that at some point i felt i was going mad and then will ask myself if i was just delusional. this kind of give me an idea of Nietzsche's madness a bit but only he truly knew how he was going through i guess. Gojo once said: "you can watch a flower bloom but you can't ask it to understand you." For me i believe that Nietzsche's madness could have such element-lack of people who understood.
Your point about the lack of understanding from others resonates deeply. Nietzsche often grappled with profound ideas that set him apart, and it's tragic how that isolation can contribute to feelings of madness.
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Nietzsche did went mad and all. But there is still wisdom in his works.
Of course that's what i said in the video, nietzsche isolated himself from the world which is a big mistake
@@Whisperingideashe isolated himself for a reason
Such a good warning, very nice bro
Three forth of the World's population has not yet reached the level that they can criticise Nietzsche!!!!!!!
His mistake seems to have been the isolation he didn't know how to live while he probably thought himself very great. that's why he created the concept of Superman , which is ridiculous and selfish in itself and, probably that s why jordan perterson likes nietzsche. then his anger that he didn't overcome that condition and be WOW, he lived his isolation more as an effect of what he had become than as something consciously and happily chosen
While i love this type of philosophy, existentialism is dead. There is no self actualization. We are our past and present.
Seems he started as a great critical observer. Rolls of morality and power are lost in rolls of authority. Thanks for your thoughtful essay. I don't have the will to dedicate myself to reading him.
Nietzsche didn't "go mad". He had a neurological disorder, as did his father before him.
If you write books of knowledge even with good intentions. And later change your mind or realize you were wrong in moments or even years of passion. Youve led so many to hell. . . Compounding guilt
Careful what you say and lead others to believe.
Becoming who you really are IMO ,is the single most difficult thing you can attempt in life. Constant input from others weather solicited or not is a huge obstacle, to attaining this goal,as this constant static only hinders progress for the individual. Like it or not this is an individual journey, you cant bring others with you, no matter how much you want to. You can only show them the door, they have to be willing to walk through it, and embark on their own individual journey of self discovery. I don't know why Neitche went insane, but he certainly inspired and intrigued many with his writings along the way. Perhaps he discovered some unfulfilled desires he had, and realized he'd been lying to himself the whole time. That's why he called himself a fool. JMHO
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The madness continues and slave morality seeks to destroy everything
1. We cannot say for certain whether he had neurosyphillis or brain tumors.
2. There was definitely a genetic component as you mentioned the father having similar issues.
3. You attack the man rather than his ideas. This is like saying we should not believe 2+2=4 because Hitler used to believe that too and look where it got him...let the ideas speak for themselves.
4. If someone tells you the way to the top is to go upward, they are right regardless of whether they fail along the way due to lack of strength or from simply having a taller mountain to climb than others...again, argue against the ideas, not the man.
5. There have been plenty of evil people who did not go crazy and plenty of good people who did.
6. Otherwise, I enjoyed the comprehensiveness of the video.
Didn't Nietzsche himself try to discredit Socrates' ideas because, according to him, the man Socrates was ugly? Nietzsche said Socrates' ideas couldn't be trusted because they came from a man harbouring resentment because of his feeling of being rather ugly in a society where bodily elegance was highly esteemed.
@@mondiriu Your comment perfectly highlights the necessity of focusing on each individual idea rather than its source (genetic fallacy). It is possible to be right about certain things without being perfectly infallible. (ie. Nietzsche may have been right about certain ideas while being wrong about whether we should discredit ideas based on their source). There are other layers to this (such as the tu quo que fallacy, and how hypocritical actions do not disprove the validity of an idea) but the above should suffice.
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The mistake he made was becoming a philosopher after falling from a horse.
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This is a great post.
In my opinion we shall read Kierkegaard too
He had an STD... it was the one that make you go crazy. But he was too hard a person, so I imagine he also drove himself nuts.
We never have a choice but are expected to accept those whom we are related to; and some of them can thoroughly damage us if we are expected to embrace them only because we are related to them. We don't get to chose our parents, and having the misfortune of being the single offspring of two very damaged parents due to the horrors of the Third Reich, it would have done me greater good if I would have been adopted by a well adjusted couple. It took a good part of my life to work out the underlying problems I had concerning "social interaction".
Plato in his Republic vows for a "commune" type upbringing such as the kibbutz in Israel. I'm certain that there would be greater mental stimulation (which I lacked in my lonely childhood) but one never learns to bond or do they? I never bonded with my parents and felt ashamed. Being Austrian and born just after the War put me in the clutches of a Concentration Camp survivor (Mauthausen) and a controling Catholic mother. I hated them both but also pittied them, knowing their limitations as immigrants in Canada. Both were "damaged goods" yet there were no avenues for survivors of atrocities and mental trauma being given in the German Language. Besides, it wasn't something discussed but kept to themselves. Pride still over-rides any attempt in admitting there are issues that need to be resolved. It's unfortunate that Nietzsche had such an impact, he was ill equiped to give anyone advice!
Carl Jung was much more progressive and practical!
bros physiognomy is off the charts
I think Freud said no one ever had a better understanding of their own self than Nietzsche? and that in his youth he could scarcely have hoped to attain the nobility of Nietzsche and that his personal history was impossible to reconstruct etc. If we try to simplify his descent into madness as a common unaware state prone to drifting into madness without ailment or disease etc. we have to sacrifice his great genius and consciousness etc. to something much less than him. Freud and Jung both owed much to Nietzsche as countless others have. Many would fall into the category of desiring a way to lower his bar so they can rise above it and in that respect Freud was much more respectful and honest than Jung about it in my opinion. We may never know for sure but I think there are medical symptoms on record. I lean towards respecting the great thinker as not giving way without substantial sufferings of different types.
You don't have a footing to criticise Nietzsche having never risked going mad
That second theory is correct.
Read Rene Girard's essay on Nietzsche. Mimetic envy drives his thinking.
Wow. Thankyou for this video
He wintessed a horse brutally tortured to death as he walked by. I believe it was in NYC maybe london. To delineate the what follwed internally spiritually psychologically would take one months. He never came back from it.
Dude the story is he saw a horse being whipped, and most people who study in depth do not even believe this actually occurred.
What price are you willing to pay and with what certainty?
When we come to know God and are known of God we know who we are and find our rest.
"Come to me, all who labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” (Matthew 11:28-30)
Don't they suspect he had syphilis?
That's exactly what I have thought for decades.
Interesting psychologies arise from extraordinary suffering.
I don't believe he shows signs of bipolar, more likely schizophrenia.
It fits a lot more with his overall philosophy because you have to deal with being very different than others to start with.
So it would make sense he would want a philosophy that would take out the stigma but also justify not following the rules and moralities of his time, because there is no way he could comply even if he wanted to. It also explains his isolation except for his close family, it's quite typical. It's not the cause of his madness, it's the result of it.
It also explains why he wanted that one goal as an organizing principle, it's quite important if your mind tends to wander off. You need some grounding and he found it in his work. Focusing is one way to ward off psychotic thoughts, just as well as taking walks and so on. What makes it worst is intellectual activity and even more so social interaction, which makes it a lot worst in many ways.
But yes, for normal people, you want a social structure in order to cope with people's malice and overall suffering, but this grooming thing is not available to the schizophrenic. So friends are always a net negative. It's not a mistake he made, it was the only choice. The only choice is to reject other people's morality and make your own and not fixate on selfhood which does not exist and cannot exist. Too disorganized to exist and be reliable.
Grandiosity is often co-morbid, it's not an issue, it's a way to compensate feelings of inadequacy or simply make your own story better and build a self that cannot be found. Resenting resentment makes sense as well. I could explain the mechanism, but it's getting too long.
Yes, yes, yes, True words in their own closed, sanitized and clinical world but let's not get completely vulgar here and reduce the philsophical genius into some sobbing clustef... of co-morbidities. Normalizing won't get us anywhere.
Self esteem will self correct the pyramid it should be in center line from bottom to top. It will seek the best condition possible even if its not much.
Without self esteem you dont even care to eat. And may even wish for death. Self esteem should be the foundation. And grow exponentially but never be gone. Should.
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Wouldn't it be nice if these dispositions we carry were the product of some careful, dispassionate reasoning? Well, probably not. It's neither plausible nor desirable. As a staunch individualist, I find that people willfully misunderstand individualism because they are threatened by it. Beneath that, they are threatened by a mindset that is not led by moral and aesthetic impulses, and because they are committed to moralizing they cannot square up to the fact there is no objective morality. It's too threatening and causes too much vertigo.
I think beneath even that there is something undisclosed to our consciousness directly that is within us that allows us to self-authorize and step into office as our own highest moral and aesthetic authority or else it does not permit this. Once you have allowed yourself to self-authorize, meaning you've stepped fearlessly into intellectual autonomy and consciously away from intellectual solidarity for its own sake - for safety's sake - others who cannot do the same will resent you for your independence.
It's not an intellectual difficulty but an emotional one. After all, it's easy to explain how it is that there is no objective morality, that our moral prejudices come from below language, and that we employ language to try to bring others around to our prejudices (inventing meta-ethics as an abstract concept on the way, when our meta-ethics are really writ in proteins)... there just aren't enough external guardrails for some and this situation causes anxiety from which they flee. They wait for someone or something outside of themselves to allow them to be free, rather than freely stepping into their own authority.
And here's where Nietzsche is right about looking to the history of ideas. When the Enlightenment rolled around, the break was from the Church's authority (religious authority in general), but most people still believed that there were objective moral truths, only that Science would be the way to discover what they are and not convention or tradition. For over four hundred years, many of the best and brightest minds sought to develop some firm basis upon which to measure the moral and the aesthetic. They failed. Not for lack of trying. You may now safely assume there is no objective morality besides law, which is where our subjective values overlap sufficiently for us to agree to enforce our shared prejudices with the power of the state.
There are some for whom this just isn't enough and can't be. They cannot self-authorize, so they instead politic and seek buy-in, they need an exterior hierarchy within which they can locate themselves. They are compelled to compete for rank in what they think is an objective hierarchy. There is no objective moral hierarchy. There is no one, correct ontology of being. Others can only agree or disagree. Finally, you'll have no mystical, authoritative, third-party to resolve the question. The only morality detector is a human mind, and I certainly don't recognize any other humans as a moral or aesthetic superior to myself. Do you? Well, you could only grant them that authority because it is already yours to give.
The world is going to chew you up and spit you out the moment you buckle with age or weakness.
Do good today. Invest in your health including mental above all else. Do good to others. And then never care to remember what you did bc it was done correctly with what you had.
Do what you love, when you can.
Brilliant! Thank you
He realized the Eternal Recurrence meant he was everyone and everyone was him, as his final letters intimate. Not a great fate for dionysian rationality!
His society was cruel and harsh and he couldn't compensate for that, how could he?
I totally agree
Our current society is cruel and harsh. Living itself is cruel and harsh.
Great video man
Thanks man 🙏
Yeah I don't know about all that, remember folks you can't be a good philosopher if you're not a good scientist, you have a cool story but it holds no real weight
Means dont justify the ends. But still only look at the results of systems.
This is his great mistake. YOU DO CHOOSE WHO AND WHAT YOU WERE BORN TO AND THROUGH. HE WAS LIMITED IN HIS THINKING.
The archetypes took over his mind
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I work in Healthcare this is may be BPD but more likely early onset vascular dementia. There may certainly be comorbidities to consider here.
Lorazepam challenge. As BPD and ASPD are adult-onset sequelae of ASD pretty sure it's autistic catatonia. Psychiatry insists there's no such thing as an adult-onset PD but refuses to diagnose them until adulthood. ASD is a developmental delay. So they're making those PD diagnoses (which are not inevitable) early to distract autistics from bringing negligent malpractice liability claims for misdiagnosed and undisclosed pediatric ASD. Contraindicated antipsychotics prescribed to treat misdiagnoses of early-onset dementia surely hasten declines and seem to confirm misdiagnoses by the hundreds of thousands every year.
I don't know why Nietzsche went mad; nevertheless, in "Beyond Good and Evil" he repudiated what he called the "Will to Truth," i.e., pursuing truth as if it actually existed. If one esteems power more than truth, and holds to this as a first principle with the grandiloquent seriousness of a philosopher, I could see how that would lead to madness.
He's literally me.
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