When they choped up the Battleship Tirpitz in Tromsö Norway after ww2 they found crates of these inside the ship. They are in museums here in Norway now.. Divers still finds them at the wreck site as well
Hey Ian, you ever think about writing a book? One gun per page, vital specs, write up. Would be a great read and a great reference source for some truly obscure stuff.
Interesting that most went to the Luftwaffe, as the Luftwaffe in 1942 formed Luftwaffe field divisions. Goring wanted his own infantry. The Luftwaffe divisions usually served in rear areas though were often called in with other reserves to help stem Russian breakthroughs and such. So many of those rifles likely actually saw combat, not just guard duty. Late in the war the German Navy also had to release many of their sailors to serve as infantry and I imagine some of them also brought their rifles with them. Interesting piece!
Thank you for this! I inherited one of these from my grandfather, though it was a Russian capture (guessing due to the dip blue on extractor and cocking piece, plus being mismatched) he acquired after the war and actually now has what I assume is a German bolt and trigger guard. Always thought the history of it was very interesting, especially since his side of the family came to the US from Poland in the early 1900s.
Thanks so much for your videos, they are well done and super informative, you are very articulate and we'll spoken. I truely enjoy watching them each and every time. GREAT WORK. !!
Forgotten Weapons I've seen that You've made an article about Polish Błyskawica MP on your blog. Is it difficult to make a video of this gun in the USA?
I agree. If something like that were to happen I would want Ian to have total creative control. TV production companies and networks have a tendency to ruin a good thing whenever possible.
Polish military looked for good rifle and addopted k98 as main. Polish had some potential in producing firearms like "Mors wz39 prototype", anti tank rifle "UR" and polish adaptation of BAR.
I like these sorts of videos about oddball offshoots of mainstream guns that everyone is familiar with. I own a vz98/22 and have to go into my forgotten weapons mode to explain how it's a Gewehr 98 but it's not at the same time like this video does for the Polish Mauser.
Pre-war DWM, Brno and Radom 98 Mauser actions are of outstanding quality. They convert to excellent sporterized rifles and easily handle magnum pressures.
+SwineNahNah "Fabryka Broni" had dual meaning, the description of scope of production, and the brand like for example "Fabique Nationale". It was popular practise in interwar period, and even later in communist occupation.
8 Months later, I'm going through a stack of deactived Kar98k's, documenting serial numbers and such - guess what I found? Yup, a G29/40, numbers matching even. Thanks for all the information about it! Edit - can confirm it's got the ''660'' mark on the receiver. It's a 1940 rifle by the way, receiver number 9164 C. Can't find the stock marking, sadly.
although i am sure it is true i find it surprising that you would mention that the Poles did not enjoy a reputation for quality as I have seen many examples of very high quality standards in multiple types of Polish precision machined parts. Often the equal and sometimes superior to the German equivalents.
+Joseph Anthony (Josefius) thats because its a Russian capture, smashed eagles, stock color and that black finish on the disk in the stock along with the metal finish and mix match or early and later parts and final exhibit is the electro penciling on the bolt and the stock serial number location
+Forgotten Weapons In fact some of guns from this factory are name Radom something. And funny fact, this factory is know as łucznik (Archer) and it was producing not long ago(maybe still are) also sawing machines :P
I have often wondered how removing a stamp from a rifle and restamping something else in it's place, without the appearance of metal removed. Some stampings are deep.
Hey Ian! I'm a great fan of your videos. I'd like to help you a little with your pronounciation of German words (because, well, I am german). I'm not a linguistics expert, but I'll do my best. 'Heer' - Like head, but with a rather hard R at the end. 'Gerät' - Pretty good already, but the 'ät' is more like an 'at' (as in @) Greetings from Germany! :)
The example shown is a Russian Captured and heavily rebuilt rifle - the only original components on it will be the action and barrel. The remainder of the parts (including stock, bolt, bands, triggerguard etc) will be a complete hodge-podge of "lets take a part out of a barrel and reassemble tovarisch", either genuinely Soviet era rebuilt (for export to friendly nations including Vietnam, Korea and the like), or more modern rebuilt for sale on the American market. As such, declaring the rifle's lineage in terms of service branch based on the stock is erroneous, as that stock was not originally on that receiver during WW2 (NO German firearms have a serial applied to the left butt with the exception of some foreign impressed beutewaffen, of which the G29/40 was NOT considered to be). The whacking big importers banner on the left rear sight barrel sleeve gives it away as well. No G29/40 has stamped bands originally - all of them were milled. And nearly all also had laminated beech stocks (the example shown has a solid walnut stock with traits of an Oberndorf stock set). As it is, being an RC, the rifle is realistically valued at around $300 maximum - paying more would be foolish just for an action code and some remaining history. I have seen a few G29/40's in far more original and better condition than this one. To look at a real, as-issued G29/40 (and purchased at a good price), may I sugget this link: www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?3427-G.29-40-660-1940-(pics - you may need to register and log in to see the images.
Is it an odd thing to call guns by the name of the city they're made in? Steyr and Springfield (as in the Rifle-muskets and Trapdoors) springs to mind. Actually, isnt it stranger that the XD pistol is still called Springfield XD when they're made in Croatia for a company that has never been located in Springfield? ;)
Interesting. I have a custom Mauser rifle built by my grandfathers brother-in-law some time in the late 40's to the early 50's and rebarreled in Win .270. I was told he got the action through the Citizens Rearmament Act what ever that was, both men have been deceased for over 35 years so that information is gone. The action top is stamped 660 over a Polish eagle and the year 1939 under that. The left side is stamped with an eagle and swastika and 893 followed by G wz. 29/40 with the wz crossed out. The right side is stamped on the barrel ring with a small eagle over the number 77 and a larger one over WaA 625 then a Polish eagle followed by an eagle over 1939. I wonder if you can decipher it for me. I have had a side safety and a Timney installed.
Hi, I really like your videos, I have a question, Could you do a video on gas-operated gatling guns? Because I saw on the internet some very cool russian Gas operated gatling guns, but I found very little information on the mechanism . It seems like not a lot of people know they exist. To get you started I got some names of for example: Shipunov GShG-7.62 minigun , Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-6-23 I hope you could find one of these guns and maybe shoot them because the're awesome
You forgot to mention that the WZ.29 was made 6 years before the KAR98K. It was based on the KAR98. The Poles made it a carbine 6 years before the Germans did.
Luftwaffe did have field divisions (and the fallschirmjäger). It was a political situation where Göring wanted the Luftwaffe to have more influence. These rifles might have been part of this episode.
+grandimehu the german military was a bit of to many Cooks, in the kitchen. the realy strange thing was that they had no marineinfantry. the sane thing would have been for all field division to be Heer ecept a few marineinfantery divisions. I Think all or most frontline units had kar98 k.
+grandimehu The Luftwaffe Field divisions appeared in early 1943. They had little training and suffered terribly, all being disbanded by 1944. The most probable destination for these rifles would have been the Luftwaffe Anti Aircraft divisions which predated the "Field" divisions. Elements of these divisions often saw front line service with one, the 9th, going to oblivion with 6th army in Stalingrad.
Not a nitpick, just a piece of information if you want to be super correct: 'Radom' is pronounced as 'Rah-dohm', the 'a' sounds sort of like the vowel in "but", for instance. The "dom" part of the word was correct :). It's not a bother, really, but I figured you're a kind of guy who likes as much accuracy as possible. Cheers!
Does the shipment of those parts to Steyr have anything to do with some of their M95 rifles being converted to M95-M or M95/24 with 8mm Mauser barrels?
+Forgotten Weapons I wish MrColt45acp was still around he was the last person to have a very interesting historical gun channel , i would think you have heard of him , if not you would love the videos
Polish arms get a lot of flack because of two reasons either they are A) made under occupation - there was whole branch of Polish underground Home Army dedicated to industrial sabotage and you can see it on VIS pistols, Polish made or from the begining of occupation are great guns while later years quality is going lower and lower. B) they are made in 80/90ties in 80ties we had state of civil war announced our economy collapsed every product made in 80ties and early 90ties was made as cheaply as possible with as much shortcuts as possible, you can see it in design of P-83 Wanad pistol.
True points. I would also add that the majority of Polish arms in the U.S. market are commie surplus so they are automatically deemed inferior because of it. I would not feel undergunned using a Polish gun and hopefully FB Radom's U.S. division will help to dispel the negative stereotype.
ok so I recently watched dealiest warriors with the episiode about vietcong vs waffen ss and SS was represented with mp-28 submachine gun, c96 mauser, bouncing betty and the flammenwerfer. I thought that was a bit odd, and I know someone here must be an expert about this, can they shed some light?
Deadliest warriors is one of the biggest loads of pseudo-historical, pseudo-weapons, pseudo-reinactment crap ever shown on television. It's worse than most stuff ever shown on the history channel, at least the damn paranormal/ speculative history/ alien shows there usually admit that they have no evidence. It's entirely contrived, with such choices having no validation beyond the decision of the show creators and perhaps a theme of "balance." It doesn't need much more of an answer. Not really sorry to shit all over the TV show, it's less accurate than weapons stats from a CoD game; don't take it as such, but merely mindless entertainment.
+Forgotten Weapons I thought deadliest warrior was produced a number of years ago? In any case, I agree for the most part. If it were up to me, I wouldn't bother with paying for TV right now
Kind of stupid to keep the pistol production in Poland and transfer the rifle elsewhere. You can more easily smuggle a pistol out of the factory to the resistance (which is what they did) - a Mauser K98/wz29... not so much.
The details and history of occupation-produced weapons are very interesting. The Nazis hit quite a bonanza with FN when they overran Belgium (for the second time 26 years). The Poles are no joke- the Lancers fought tanks ON HORSEBACK. They were of course slaughtered, but their purpose was a delaying action to allow civilians time to flee. Read abt Maj Gen Stanislaw Sosabowski of the Polish 1st Parachute Brigade in A Bridge Too Far. Ably portrayed by Gene Hackman in the movie, but of course the book has more detail (love Cornelius Ryan's work- RIP). Great video as always. Thank you
So he's an enthusiast that does his own research on pieces.. and then reports to us, gotcha. I had assumed that, since he was working for/with an auction house so frequently, that he was employed in some professional aspect to weapons history.
+NeoAcario I consider myself a professional gun nerd. :) My work includes "entertainment" type things like UA-cam and also "professional" research work for groups like Armament Research Services.
+egdarious Forget @Giloup92 hes being an ass. The real reason Poland and France esct get a bad rap is how easily they where rolled over and conquered. The soldiers and weapons where pretty decent but if the military or political leadership give up without a fight they are not even a factor anymore. Like how in the US the French government is often mocked as being scaredy cats, but the French Resistance is never mocked, and have a good opinion of. This is of course just for anyone who has bothers to learn anything of foreign history or anything that has happened more than 10 years ago...
+Robert Rockey I thought that Poles had fought braver than the French? I saw article that stated campaign in Poland took a greater toll on German resources/equipment/ammo reserves than blitzkrieg in France. Is there any absolute measure to determine which country was the most courageous/cowardly/heroic/shameful?
+Robert Rockey Thing is situation with Poland and France was totally different, I don't even want to get into complicated society back then which was combined of many different nations and groups, not all of them really enjoyed being part of Poland and wanted to have their own country (for example Ukraine), Poland has mountains on the south and sea at north but between them it's basically a big flat surface, like 2 rivers are an issue for someone who wants to conquer the country, despite that Poland was fighting and holding many spots like battle of Westerplatte or battle of Wizna (Famous 40:1), both citizens and politics were determined to do what's possible to protect the country (which is not a surprise since just 20 years earlier Poland get its independence back after disappearing from the world maps for 123 years), 17 days after Hitler attacked us same did Stalin based on secret Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. Poland was attacked from both sides with bigger forces and the country did hold for more than a month, Poland actually never surrendered to Germans (Not sure about Russians but I'm almost sure that aswell not), there was created a Polish Government in London and whole underground state, as far as I know the only organisation of such nature in the world. Poland continued functioning after the country was conquered, it was fully capable of continuing diplomatic relations, respected all alliance pacts made before the war (Polish soldiers were fighting on almost every front, there was a war declared to Japan in '41 etc), they were organizing polish military forces, getting support to people fighting in Poland (where they were fighting till the very end of the war) and other places, there were both military and civilian structures. The so called Polish Underground State and the Government in Exile were disbanded in '45 when the war in Europe ended and we were basically given up to Stalin by US and Britain (Yeah, same Stalin who cooperated with Hilter at the very beginning of war, allowed and basically participated in very start of the World War II), members of the Underground State were then treated as criminals since they were opposing to friendly communist government brought to Poland by red army, for such treason they were tortured and killed. It's kinda sad that their efforts and achievements are not very well know, not to say for a common knowledge they gave up easily at beginning of war while at the same time French Resistance which, that's not personal just a facts, was less complex, less efficient and basically less successful, but I guess fights in France were more close to British and American minds, that's why film industry was making movies about collaboration of French people with Brits and US where they're soldiers did actually mostly fight
+Bungman Agforty The K at the end means "kurz", which is German for short. The original Karabiner 98 had a longer barrel and was introduced in 1898 as the name suggests, whereas the 98K was introduced in 1935.
+Andrew Duff Was, certainly. FYI, the day before the auction they have a viewing day, where all the guns in the auction are available for anyone to handle and inspect.
+Forgotten Weapons, Thank You very much, I just think it would be absolutely amazing looking at firearms that rarely see. and maybe even catch my eye ! BTW keep up the great work I love the informational videos !
Isn't it a bit stupid to keep a gun that is practically identical as to your service rifle as a 2nd line gun? I mean, you could probably issue it to an ordinary german soldier and the performance wouldn't be reduced by a tiny bit, and logistics shouldn't be too bad either. Considering how badly Germany needed firearms for their frontline troops, I find it stupid that they would just give it to people who aren't likely to use it.
+Tanker'schreck The German bureaucracy of Third Reich in opposite to "ordnung muss sein" theory remind more... a bordello in fire. Such actions ware rather common.
+Tanker'schreck They go to the second line and that frees up german rifles for the front lines. Why confuse the troupes with diffrently marked rifles if you don't have to?
[MsR] Master I seriously doubt that markings would matter for a soldier. Different loading mechanism, bolt mechanics, sights, maybe, but markings, hardly. As to free up, it'd be understandable if it was an inferior rifle for whichever reason (material quality, mechanism, etc), but it's not. Just because it wasn't made by DWM or Mauser, it doesn't mean it's instantly inferior to a German Mauser.
It might have been said sooo many times before but try to pronounce Radom as Rahdohm [vowels are short not long]. It would be greatly appreciated :D. Another funny thing is that tooling used for 29's were actually german from Mauser factory in Gdańsk [Danzig]. PS. Looking forward for Polish BAR video !
but it's a russian capture, ewww! Also, until the late war period all rifles were marked on the butt stock with a stamp indicating the receiving branch of service.
When they choped up the Battleship Tirpitz in Tromsö Norway after ww2 they found crates of these inside the ship. They are in museums here in Norway now.. Divers still finds them at the wreck site as well
Hey Ian, you ever think about writing a book? One gun per page, vital specs, write up. Would be a great read and a great reference source for some truly obscure stuff.
Should be out this month, much more specific and detailed than 1 per page thing though, gonna be awesome.
Always enjoy learning about Polish firearms (I have a wz. 29 myself), and I'm glad to hear there are some more videos coming up centered on them!
It's 2016 already, back to the future -it's 2023...
Interesting that most went to the Luftwaffe, as the Luftwaffe in 1942 formed Luftwaffe field divisions. Goring wanted his own infantry. The Luftwaffe divisions usually served in rear areas though were often called in with other reserves to help stem Russian breakthroughs and such. So many of those rifles likely actually saw combat, not just guard duty. Late in the war the German Navy also had to release many of their sailors to serve as infantry and I imagine some of them also brought their rifles with them. Interesting piece!
Thank you for this! I inherited one of these from my grandfather, though it was a Russian capture (guessing due to the dip blue on extractor and cocking piece, plus being mismatched) he acquired after the war and actually now has what I assume is a German bolt and trigger guard. Always thought the history of it was very interesting, especially since his side of the family came to the US from Poland in the early 1900s.
Thanks for this Ian, also loved the dispatches from SHOT Show '16.
Thanks so much for your videos, they are well done and super informative, you are very articulate and we'll spoken. I truely enjoy watching them each and every time. GREAT WORK. !!
Is this a Russian capture rifle? (it has a plum coloured extractor)
Any hints on what Polish firearms you are going to show?
PS. Greetings from Poland!
+poMocnyMichal Ian gave us a hint: pistols in FB Radom. FB Vis will finally appear in Forgotten Weapons!
+egdarious the Radom Vis video is already up on Full30, so it'll be here probably tomorrow.
+poMocnyMichal Also the Ng30.
+dimapez Nope, although I would like to!
Forgotten Weapons
I've seen that You've made an article about Polish Błyskawica MP on your blog. Is it difficult to make a video of this gun in the USA?
this fella should really have a tv series come on history channel stop with the storage wars type crap
I agree. If something like that were to happen I would want Ian to have total creative control. TV production companies and networks have a tendency to ruin a good thing whenever possible.
+Rusty lungzs I did talk to the History Channel a few months ago, and the project had promise, but it fell through.
+Forgotten Weapons I guess you need to start a pawn shop and talk about aliens more.
Fabryka Broni made weapons are actually very well made. Rifles like the Beryl are amongst the highest quality AK's.
+shdowhunt60 And their pistols were also very good. I had the chance to shoot a FB Vis pistol (made in 1938) some time ago, and I really liked it.
I own a wz. 29 in it's original configuration
Polish military looked for good rifle and addopted k98 as main. Polish had some potential in producing firearms like "Mors wz39 prototype", anti tank rifle "UR" and polish adaptation of BAR.
Very good video as always! Ever thought of doing a video on the many South American Mauser rifles?
tfw based Ian mentions your country in a video
thank you based Ian
I like these sorts of videos about oddball offshoots of mainstream guns that everyone is familiar with. I own a vz98/22 and have to go into my forgotten weapons mode to explain how it's a Gewehr 98 but it's not at the same time like this video does for the Polish Mauser.
I have a m44 mosin from Radom 11 in an oval. Is the marking for that plant. Mine is a 1954. It's an excellent mosin with fine machining
Does it have a cleaning rod? Original polish cleaning rods are pretty scarce
Pre-war DWM, Brno and Radom 98 Mauser actions are of outstanding quality.
They convert to excellent sporterized rifles and easily handle magnum pressures.
If I'm not mistaken, "Fabryka Broni" simply means "Arms Factory" (or armament factory), perhaps it could be called "arsenal" for short?
+SwineNahNah "Fabryka Broni" had dual meaning, the description of scope of production, and the brand like for example "Fabique Nationale".
It was popular practise in interwar period, and even later in communist occupation.
8 Months later, I'm going through a stack of deactived Kar98k's, documenting serial numbers and such - guess what I found? Yup, a G29/40, numbers matching even. Thanks for all the information about it!
Edit - can confirm it's got the ''660'' mark on the receiver. It's a 1940 rifle by the way, receiver number 9164 C. Can't find the stock marking, sadly.
although i am sure it is true i find it surprising that you would mention that the Poles did not enjoy a reputation for quality as I have seen many examples of very high quality standards in multiple types of Polish precision machined parts. Often the equal and sometimes superior to the German equivalents.
ive been to the Fabrika Broni Łucznik factory in poland.....my wife grew up about 20 miles away from there.
Simply beautiful model.
The Refinished Condition looks like it was Imported from Russia the Late Barrel
Band Etc.
Fantastic video, as always. I hope a Type 100 smg is passing by soon
I noticed the barrel bands are stamped metal, like late war k98s.
+Joseph Anthony (Josefius) thats because its a Russian capture, smashed eagles, stock color and that black finish on the disk in the stock along with the metal finish and mix match or early and later parts and final exhibit is the electro penciling on the bolt and the stock serial number location
dssssc that makes sense.
+dssssc Correct this rifle is 100% Russian captured
+Forgotten Weapons
In fact some of guns from this factory are name Radom something.
And funny fact, this factory is know as łucznik (Archer) and it was producing not long ago(maybe still are) also sawing machines :P
Very interesting story behind this rifle
I have often wondered how removing a stamp from a rifle and restamping something else in it's place, without the appearance of metal removed. Some stampings are deep.
Hey Ian, do you have any info on Werder M1869 Infanterie Gewehr?
Please tell me that you will do RKM wz. 1928 Browning, PLEEEEEASE.
+dany729 As it happens, I will be filming a shooting video with on this week. :)
Hey Ian! I'm a great fan of your videos.
I'd like to help you a little with your pronounciation of German words (because, well, I am german).
I'm not a linguistics expert, but I'll do my best.
'Heer' - Like head, but with a rather hard R at the end.
'Gerät' - Pretty good already, but the 'ät' is more like an 'at' (as in @)
Greetings from Germany! :)
another great video, love the story of these guns
The example shown is a Russian Captured and heavily rebuilt rifle - the only original components on it will be the action and barrel. The remainder of the parts (including stock, bolt, bands, triggerguard etc) will be a complete hodge-podge of "lets take a part out of a barrel and reassemble tovarisch", either genuinely Soviet era rebuilt (for export to friendly nations including Vietnam, Korea and the like), or more modern rebuilt for sale on the American market.
As such, declaring the rifle's lineage in terms of service branch based on the stock is erroneous, as that stock was not originally on that receiver during WW2 (NO German firearms have a serial applied to the left butt with the exception of some foreign impressed beutewaffen, of which the G29/40 was NOT considered to be). The whacking big importers banner on the left rear sight barrel sleeve gives it away as well. No G29/40 has stamped bands originally - all of them were milled. And nearly all also had laminated beech stocks (the example shown has a solid walnut stock with traits of an Oberndorf stock set).
As it is, being an RC, the rifle is realistically valued at around $300 maximum - paying more would be foolish just for an action code and some remaining history. I have seen a few G29/40's in far more original and better condition than this one.
To look at a real, as-issued G29/40 (and purchased at a good price), may I sugget this link: www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?3427-G.29-40-660-1940-(pics - you may need to register and log in to see the images.
I know it's not a firearm but I was wondering if you could do a video showing various common markings on European rifles
+rubberchicken 69 How long do you have? :)
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+Forgotten Weapons lots of time, much appreciated!
one of my favorite ww2 rifles is the steyr m95/30 I believe only the state police used them in any numbers
Justin Evans I’m sure it was the Standard rifle for the Hungarian army and Bulgarian army
Almost has some late war k98k features with the welded parts
Is it an odd thing to call guns by the name of the city they're made in? Steyr and Springfield (as in the Rifle-muskets and Trapdoors) springs to mind. Actually, isnt it stranger that the XD pistol is still called Springfield XD when they're made in Croatia for a company that has never been located in Springfield? ;)
Interesting. I have a custom Mauser rifle built by my grandfathers brother-in-law some time in the late 40's to the early 50's and rebarreled in Win .270. I was told he got the action through the Citizens Rearmament Act what ever that was, both men have been deceased for over 35 years so that information is gone. The action top is stamped 660 over a Polish eagle and the year 1939 under that. The left side is stamped with an eagle and swastika and 893 followed by G wz. 29/40 with the wz crossed out. The right side is stamped on the barrel ring with a small eagle over the number 77 and a larger one over WaA 625 then a Polish eagle followed by an eagle over 1939. I wonder if you can decipher it for me. I have had a side safety and a Timney installed.
you should check out the Norwegian refurbished kar98k's, mostly issued to the home guard after the war.
Hello, love your chanel, what is the typical price for this rifle please.
Regards Thomas
Hi, I really like your videos,
I have a question,
Could you do a video on gas-operated gatling guns? Because I saw on the internet some very cool russian Gas operated gatling guns, but I found very little information on the mechanism . It seems like not a lot of people know they exist. To get you started I got some names of for example: Shipunov GShG-7.62 minigun ,
Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-6-23
I hope you could find one of these guns and maybe shoot them because the're awesome
Don't forget the Luftwaffe incorporated the paras,Fallschirmjager and the FG42
You forgot to mention that the WZ.29 was made 6 years before the KAR98K. It was based on the KAR98. The Poles made it a carbine 6 years before the Germans did.
most polish guns were often named after countries or metals during their production to keep them secret "i.e".. Beryl = beryllium
Luftwaffe did have field divisions (and the fallschirmjäger). It was a political situation where Göring wanted the Luftwaffe to have more influence. These rifles might have been part of this episode.
The main one being the motorized regiment (then division) Hermann Göring, formed in 1941.
+grandimehu the german military was a bit of to many Cooks, in the kitchen. the realy strange thing was that they had no marineinfantry. the sane thing would have been for all field division to be Heer ecept a few marineinfantery divisions. I Think all or most frontline units had kar98 k.
+grandimehu The Luftwaffe Field divisions appeared in early 1943. They had little training and suffered terribly, all being disbanded by 1944. The most probable destination for these rifles would have been the Luftwaffe Anti Aircraft divisions which predated the "Field" divisions. Elements of these divisions often saw front line service with one, the 9th, going to oblivion with 6th army in Stalingrad.
What do you do about a conscripted arms factory potentially sabotaging their materiel?
It might be my imagination, but I think the stock is a slightly different shape to a kar98K. Anyone agree?
Woah it's 2016? Since when?
Not a nitpick, just a piece of information if you want to be super correct: 'Radom' is pronounced as 'Rah-dohm', the 'a' sounds sort of like the vowel in "but", for instance. The "dom" part of the word was correct :). It's not a bother, really, but I figured you're a kind of guy who likes as much accuracy as possible. Cheers!
Where did this reputation for poor quality or shoddy workmanship come from? Never heard anything bad about Polish arms production before.
The Luftwaffe did not need small arms!?
Fallschirmjager, Herman Göring Panzer Division, and Luftwaffe Field Divisions would all beg to differ.
I heard that the wehrmacht used a copy of the british sten ? Possible video pse.
Does the shipment of those parts to Steyr have anything to do with some of their M95 rifles being converted to M95-M or M95/24 with 8mm Mauser barrels?
+WV Mosineer Nope, those conversions were done in Yugoslavia in the mid 1920s.
Thanks for the Info, would love to see you do a video on the M95-M. Really enjoy your work!
Hey Ian love the videos, do you travel very much to do these auction videos?
+Andrew Smith Yeah, quite a lot. I'm actually in Maine right now, starting a filming series at the James Julia auction house.
+Forgotten Weapons
Why not move to Vermont?
I hear they have great gun laws
+Forgotten Weapons I wish MrColt45acp was still around he was the last person to have a very interesting historical gun channel , i would think you have heard of him , if not you would love the videos
+Forgotten Weapons Sir will you please do the G11?
+The crazy Weaponcrafter that would be really cool i do hope it happens
What were the differences?
...or calling Springfields... ...Springfields :-)
Polish arms get a lot of flack because of two reasons either they are A) made under occupation - there was whole branch of Polish underground Home Army dedicated to industrial sabotage and you can see it on VIS pistols, Polish made or from the begining of occupation are great guns while later years quality is going lower and lower. B) they are made in 80/90ties in 80ties we had state of civil war announced our economy collapsed every product made in 80ties and early 90ties was made as cheaply as possible with as much shortcuts as possible, you can see it in design of P-83 Wanad pistol.
True points.
I would also add that the majority of Polish arms in the U.S. market are commie surplus so they are automatically deemed inferior because of it. I would not feel undergunned using a Polish gun and hopefully FB Radom's U.S. division will help to dispel the negative stereotype.
ian , try to make an episod with polish kb.panz UR :)
ok so I recently watched dealiest warriors with the episiode about vietcong vs waffen ss and SS was represented with mp-28 submachine gun, c96 mauser, bouncing betty and the flammenwerfer. I thought that was a bit odd, and I know someone here must be an expert about this, can they shed some light?
Deadliest warriors is one of the biggest loads of pseudo-historical, pseudo-weapons, pseudo-reinactment crap ever shown on television. It's worse than most stuff ever shown on the history channel, at least the damn paranormal/ speculative history/ alien shows there usually admit that they have no evidence. It's entirely contrived, with such choices having no validation beyond the decision of the show creators and perhaps a theme of "balance." It doesn't need much more of an answer.
Not really sorry to shit all over the TV show, it's less accurate than weapons stats from a CoD game; don't take it as such, but merely mindless entertainment.
farmerboy916 yeah thats what I thought, didnt make any sense. The entire show is laughable
+Marcus Linden Pretty much everything on TV today is crap.
+Forgotten Weapons I thought deadliest warrior was produced a number of years ago? In any case, I agree for the most part. If it were up to me, I wouldn't bother with paying for TV right now
Kind of stupid to keep the pistol production in Poland and transfer the rifle elsewhere. You can more easily smuggle a pistol out of the factory to the resistance (which is what they did) - a Mauser K98/wz29... not so much.
The details and history of occupation-produced weapons are very interesting. The Nazis hit quite a bonanza with FN when they overran Belgium (for the second time 26 years). The Poles are no joke- the Lancers fought tanks ON HORSEBACK. They were of course slaughtered, but their purpose was a delaying action to allow civilians time to flee. Read abt Maj Gen Stanislaw Sosabowski of the Polish 1st Parachute Brigade in A Bridge Too Far. Ably portrayed by Gene Hackman in the movie, but of course the book has more detail (love Cornelius Ryan's work- RIP). Great video as always. Thank you
I'm curious, because I come here as much for the class as to see the firearms... are you a firearms historian, appraiser.. what is your profession?
+NeoAcario Ian does this full time (makes youtube videos of guns/weapons)
So he's an enthusiast that does his own research on pieces.. and then reports to us, gotcha. I had assumed that, since he was working for/with an auction house so frequently, that he was employed in some professional aspect to weapons history.
+NeoAcario I consider myself a professional gun nerd. :) My work includes "entertainment" type things like UA-cam and also "professional" research work for groups like Armament Research Services.
Forgotten Weapons That's about as close a definition for a Firearms Historian as I've ever heard. I really enjoy the classes... keep it up!
No Need Ian this time?
Herr Ian* (stupid auto complete ruined it)
This shit is just so cool.
Ian mentioned that Poles have bad reputation in the USA. Can somebody explain it to me?
A lot of nazis ( for instance W. Von Braun) emigrated to the USA after WWII....
+egdarious Forget @Giloup92 hes being an ass. The real reason Poland and France esct get a bad rap is how easily they where rolled over and conquered. The soldiers and weapons where pretty decent but if the military or political leadership give up without a fight they are not even a factor anymore. Like how in the US the French government is often mocked as being scaredy cats, but the French Resistance is never mocked, and have a good opinion of. This is of course just for anyone who has bothers to learn anything of foreign history or anything that has happened more than 10 years ago...
+Robert Rockey I thought that Poles had fought braver than the French? I saw article that stated campaign in Poland took a greater toll on German resources/equipment/ammo reserves than blitzkrieg in France. Is there any absolute measure to determine which country was the most courageous/cowardly/heroic/shameful?
+Robert Rockey Thing is situation with Poland and France was totally different, I don't even want to get into complicated society back then which was combined of many different nations and groups, not all of them really enjoyed being part of Poland and wanted to have their own country (for example Ukraine), Poland has mountains on the south and sea at north but between them it's basically a big flat surface, like 2 rivers are an issue for someone who wants to conquer the country, despite that Poland was fighting and holding many spots like battle of Westerplatte or battle of Wizna (Famous 40:1), both citizens and politics were determined to do what's possible to protect the country (which is not a surprise since just 20 years earlier Poland get its independence back after disappearing from the world maps for 123 years), 17 days after Hitler attacked us same did Stalin based on secret Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. Poland was attacked from both sides with bigger forces and the country did hold for more than a month, Poland actually never surrendered to Germans (Not sure about Russians but I'm almost sure that aswell not), there was created a Polish Government in London and whole underground state, as far as I know the only organisation of such nature in the world. Poland continued functioning after the country was conquered, it was fully capable of continuing diplomatic relations, respected all alliance pacts made before the war (Polish soldiers were fighting on almost every front, there was a war declared to Japan in '41 etc), they were organizing polish military forces, getting support to people fighting in Poland (where they were fighting till the very end of the war) and other places, there were both military and civilian structures. The so called Polish Underground State and the Government in Exile were disbanded in '45 when the war in Europe ended and we were basically given up to Stalin by US and Britain (Yeah, same Stalin who cooperated with Hilter at the very beginning of war, allowed and basically participated in very start of the World War II), members of the Underground State were then treated as criminals since they were opposing to friendly communist government brought to Poland by red army, for such treason they were tortured and killed. It's kinda sad that their efforts and achievements are not very well know, not to say for a common knowledge they gave up easily at beginning of war while at the same time French Resistance which, that's not personal just a facts, was less complex, less efficient and basically less successful, but I guess fights in France were more close to British and American minds, that's why film industry was making movies about collaboration of French people with Brits and US where they're soldiers did actually mostly fight
+Giloup92
Before you write something please write some historic documents, usually nazis were Germans not Polish people
Isn't saying Kar 98"K" redundant?
+Bungman Agforty No, the Kar 98k and the Kar 98 are different guns.
+Bungman Agforty The K at the end means "kurz", which is German for short. The original Karabiner 98 had a longer barrel and was introduced in 1898 as the name suggests, whereas the 98K was introduced in 1935.
I thought Karabiner it's self was a shortened rifle. And that's why americans say CarBEEN instead of carBINE.
+Bungman Agforty we say it both ways
+Bungman Agforty just call in 98k then.
Just looked into it a bit more I am about 3 hours from RIA could a person come to watch/bid ?
+Andrew Duff Was, certainly. FYI, the day before the auction they have a viewing day, where all the guns in the auction are available for anyone to handle and inspect.
+Forgotten Weapons, Thank You very much, I just think it would be absolutely amazing looking at firearms that rarely see. and maybe even catch my eye ! BTW keep up the great work I love the informational videos !
+Andrew Duff Well if you do go, tell them you found out about them through Forgotten Weapons! :)
bro.. why u not on tv yet..we want the airwaves baby
Isn't it a bit stupid to keep a gun that is practically identical as to your service rifle as a 2nd line gun? I mean, you could probably issue it to an ordinary german soldier and the performance wouldn't be reduced by a tiny bit, and logistics shouldn't be too bad either.
Considering how badly Germany needed firearms for their frontline troops, I find it stupid that they would just give it to people who aren't likely to use it.
+Tanker'schreck The German bureaucracy of Third Reich in opposite to "ordnung muss sein" theory remind more... a bordello in fire. Such actions ware rather common.
+Tanker'schreck These kind of bureaucracy thing happen even in modern days so the Nazi were not the only one.
+Tanker'schreck They go to the second line and that frees up german rifles for the front lines. Why confuse the troupes with diffrently marked rifles if you don't have to?
[MsR] Master I seriously doubt that markings would matter for a soldier. Different loading mechanism, bolt mechanics, sights, maybe, but markings, hardly.
As to free up, it'd be understandable if it was an inferior rifle for whichever reason (material quality, mechanism, etc), but it's not. Just because it wasn't made by DWM or Mauser, it doesn't mean it's instantly inferior to a German Mauser.
alcibiadesW So parts ware changed, improved even. But they ware not indeed interchangeable with 98k.
You can thank the Russians for the mismatched parts sadly. :(
God dayum I want your job
Radom is pronounced "RAH-dom" not "RAY-dom".
wzór you read vzoor
It might have been said sooo many times before but try to pronounce Radom as Rahdohm [vowels are short not long]. It would be greatly appreciated :D.
Another funny thing is that tooling used for 29's were actually german from Mauser factory in Gdańsk [Danzig].
PS. Looking forward for Polish BAR video !
I came across one of this Chinese for $125.00. I did nlt buy it.
but it's a russian capture, ewww! Also, until the late war period all rifles were marked on the butt stock with a stamp indicating the receiving branch of service.