Jeff Teague says American NBA players LACK SKILL as Nikola Jokic, Luka Doncic DOMINATE NBA
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, and B Hen react to Nikola Jokic of the Denver Nuggets having a MONSTER game against Luka Doncic and the Dallas Mavericks as Joker had another 30-point triple-double. Jeff CALLS OUT American hoopers saying that they aren’t skilled enough in comparison to European NBA players.
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Jokic loves basketball, but he hates the circus around it
You nailed it
He loves basketball, he hates the NBA
He loves playing the game and just hates all the narrative driven shit the media does
Well said
This ain't political
My favorite thing about Jokic is how hard he plays every single night. I swear that dude never misses a game and every game he is going ham as fuck. I can't hate on someone like that.
I think Jokic built like a tank and that's why he can keep going and not get injured. It's him and LeBron both have that aspect, they're just so durable and reliable. This season everybody is getting injured but Jokic still trucking.
The fact that his game doesn't depend on athleticism is what makes Jokic so dependable. More often than not, you can count on him to have a great game than for him to have a bad one.
He’s not athletic so it’s easy for him to not get hurt as much. He gets hurt but he doesn’t jump high, run fast or anything.
He’s not athletic so it’s easy for him to not get hurt as much. He gets hurt but he doesn’t jump high, run fast or anything.
Sounds like youre talking about Giannis there. Your favorite thing about Jocic is that hes like giannis, got it
As a Denver resident who goes to only one game a season due to the prices for my kids and myself, I appreciate immensely Jokic because I know, that no matter which game I chose to go to, he will be there playing and not taking the night off.
Exactly‼️
Such a nice comment. I rarely write that, few times maybe
Happy for you and your kids. I hope my fellow Serbian never fails you. ❤️
I hope situation changes so you can go to any game you want man, stay healthy and happy with your family things will go better 🫶
@@Вукашин1989 I appreciate it, don’t worry I’m not hurting economically and if only going to one Nuggets game a year is my only problem then I don’t have any problems 😂. But it makes that one game very special and all of us look forward to it. Going there and appreciating greatness in person when we look at Joker makes it even better.
The MVP ladder looks like this right now:
1. Jokic
2. Voter fatigue
3. Who cares
4. Somebody random
5. Is anyone still here?
@@Rogue_Centurionyeah this is fr. The early ladder of him not being the the number 1 shows that he will not win another MVP this season.
@@Rogue_Centurion😂
6. AD is a better defender narrative
@@MarkPaulFugaban MVP always been about context, comparing how each player played relative to last season and how their team is doing xD
"Luka look like he smoke cigarettes and drink beer."😂😂😂😂 Jeff is out of control 😂
He does both of those things tho.
He does. Lol
He might be right though:p
Shit, this wanker has discovered the PEDs of us Europeans...
Idk about cigs but definitely hookah 💀
Y’all gotta stop with the “jokic hates basketball” narrative, he doesn’t. He loves basketball, he hates the fame and drama of the nba.
That's such a dumb take. If he hated the game, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be playing in the NBA, lol. I think he likes to joke with the media, and people think he is serious. I mean, his nickname is the Joker. If you watch a game and it shows his face, you can tell he really cares and wants to win. Like when he's telling his teammates what play the other team is going to run or at the end of a game in a huddle, or telling guys where to lineup on a defensive possession. I think the people who say that are just the haters they can't say anything about his game because they know he's one of the best, if not the best player, so they just say he hates basketball lol.
Without the "drama and fame" Jokic would be in Serbia raising horses or some sh--. American sports fans are why theres a place a great athlete like Jokic can make $50mil a year.
@@DreamFearless yeah… without 50 million dollars a year, he’d be back in Serbia without a doubt raising horses and playing basketball as a hobby. He likes basketball, he hates the fame and drama, but if you tell him he can play basketball and get paid 50 million dollars a year, he’ll stomach the fame and drama, doesn’t mean he’ll like it.
@@giantenemycrab420idk. I can’t read another man’s mind. Based off his reaction to winning the championship or win his MVP titles, it doesn’t seem to matter to him. It definitely seems like he is a very hard worker and he also seems to really like his teammates, but I wouldn’t say he enjoys playing. I’f I’m not mistaken he’s said something like “ most people don’t like their job”. Maybe he was joking. Idk
@tatertot4810 those reactions were mostly to the media, if you saw the way he was partying with his team after winning the championship, it's obvious the win meant a lot to him. He doesn't really care for dumb interview questions though
Jokic doesn’t care about the accolades, but I do think he cares about winning. It’s not like he’s just riding horses in the offseason. Dude gotta be practicing to be this good
That’s the shit I fucking hate bro. This whole he doesn’t care narrative. Mayb he cares about his family/ extracurricular life more than basketball but be clearly loves winning hooping and working on his game. U don’t get to jokic levels by fucking off. Like you aren’t gonna have the best touch around the basket maybe ever if u don’t practice everyday
That's the same thing I've been pondering. There's no way Jokic is this good at his craft and yet "he doesn't care". He has to care to some degree to perfect the way that he plays
Its lowkey, he just doesnt have a PR team or social media. Look into it, the last 2 offseasons alone he watched higher level coaching seminars, and contacted the people speaking with his thoughts to bounce ideas off. Hes a lot like Kobe as an insane basketball purist. He just doesn't come off that way and iys not his personality
Hes just not from here. He seems homesick to me. He loves hoopin.
He doesn't just quit playing, but he said it himself. Basketball is a job that he works on when he absolutely has to. That's why he comes back so fat every season. Dude literally plays himself into NBA shape every year and is still putting up NBA numbers while he's getting his cardio in.
Jokic is the cerebral assassin of the NBA ain't going to be another like him for a long time. Just glad he's playing in the Mile high city.
Honestly an advantage for Denver that he’s international. US superstars want to move to big markets like NYC, LA, Miami, etc. International stars are fine in literally any American city and will stay there forever. Just look at Dirk or San Antonio with Parker/Ginobili/Duncan
Jokic the 1st guy who actually might beat voter fatique.
I mean if these monster stats are the factor to beat voter fatigue something is wrong with the voting system that's for sure
@@sugaryflapjack4302 why? if let's say he puts them nights consistently, then why shouldn't he be the Mvp? Because from every objective stat in the game, the dude is years ahead, and his team is mid. In fact; if you look at any commentator, or analyst of nba games, everybody says the man is either gonna become a true legend if he finish the league with same production, or will get bad injury because of the performances he doing.
if he do a a full run like this, he will be out of the league of any current professional nba player.
@@ahmedbadreddinemoucouf3662 You completely missed my point and your statement is just what I was referring to in shorter terms :)
@@ahmedbadreddinemoucouf3662 learn to read man.
Jokic is the definition of makes his teammates better.
I am actually glad the international players have taken over. Basketball is a great sport. It deserves to be a global game like soccer.
What u mean takeover only 2 international players won a chip in the last 5 years he other 3 were American 😂😂😂 now tell me in the last 10 years what players won more championships American or international hell you can go back 20 years if you want lmao
@@TOKYO9AINgood I also think it's an American sport you guys can gate keep it 😂 definitely good for the sport
@@tempestrexlive6664 I didn’t ask what you think I stated a fact
Jokic embiid Luka sga giannis. Top 5 are all international players
@@TOKYO9AINbasketball wasn't even really a thing back then 😂
Tired of people saying he doesnt care about basketball. Its not his number one thing in life compared to family but he cares more then most of these clowns
you saw the olympics? He wanted to beat the US so bad
everyone knows he cares, his game just looks nonchalant
@@TaxTaxescuz his genetics😂
Yep, no one does this day in and day out not caring. Stupid thing said by the media in the USA. He cares big time because he wants to win, he doesn't show boat like Americans do and focus is to win, make money and save/provide for his family for life like a real man. Americans are not used to this kind of man because they used to exist in the USA but the media, hollywood, weak feminine music, rap music, heavy metal and all that other junk killed off real man and made them weak. That's why you see these 3 grown ass men around 40 dressed like high school kids and other grown ass men still rocking Star Wars shirts and playing Nintendo. Americans fear a real working man who just wants to get paid.
Like 2pac said in How do you want it "I'm a simple man fuck the fame all I want is cash" (although 2pac said it he was quite the typical USA man showboating)
Jokic is the reason why I think skill matters way more than athleticism. Unlike athleticism, you have more longevity if you have strong fundamentals and basketball IQ. People always complain that Jokic is slow and unathletic, yet he is putting up 2K numbers night after night.
Someone like Curry is going to last an extra number of years compared to everyone else because he still has a shooter's touch. Even if he lost his speed and quickness to create his shots. He can still throw solid passes and work off as a catch and shoot even if he plays until he is like 40.
Hes 7 feet tall, if he was 6'3 he wouldn't be in the NBA.
@@erikmerle1042and strong...his phisique is undrrated...
Kyrie is showing that also applies to guards tbh. Obviously CP as well.
Right, Chris Paul is still a starting PG and he is 38 and lacks athleticism.
@udishomer5852 cp3 has always been athletic. He may not be a westbrook but he's been athletic for his size
One thing I am surprised doesn't get mentioned more is Jokic's water polo background. You can see its influence in the way he passes the ball and how he shoots those little floaters in the lane as well as his hand eye coordination and how he handles the ball with one hand. He will arch the back like a guy in the pool to create a little separation and makes incredible one-handed passes while doing so.
It's not well known but absolutely an influence
This is interesting cus the other night when he caught the pass with one hand and held it up and kind of cradled it like they do it in water polo then passed it I was like it looks like he’s playing water polo and he probably would be a beast at it, had no idea he had a water polo background very useful
Did not know this about the water polo background! Makes a ton of sense
Ahhhhhhhhh, I’ve never heard this before but it explains a lot and they go hard for water polo in the Balkans
Jokic is just the final boss, and I love seeing what teams try to do against him.
These are WILT numbers, numbers we just used to seeing back in the day lmao
He gets cooked by every big who can remember 3 post moves
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p Giannis closer to wilt numbers kiddo
@@Atribecalledsuccess facts Jokic overrated slightly but he’s still an all timer
Saying Jokic is un athletic is crazy. He’s 7 feet tall and sprints for 37 minutes a night while handling the ball lol
He’s athletic by definition yeah, he’s strong and has good cardio, but he isn’t fast, quick , and he jumps shorter than average. Un athletic is a bit much, but the NBA also has some of the very best athletes in the world🤷♂️
Early Jokic adopter. After his rookie summer league I thought, 'this guy will play in the NBA ten years or more.' After his rookie year I thought, 'this guy will start in the NBA for ten years or more.' After his 2nd year I thought, 'this guy could be a perennial all star and all nba player.' After his 4th year I thought, 'this guy could win an MVP.' After he won his 1st MVP I thought, 'this guy could win multiple MVP's and lead a team to a title.' And then he did. And now he's taking it to another level. Constantly getting better. Any early adopter like me that tells you they saw all this coming is blowing smoke. Greatest example ever of exceeding expectations at every turn. 2nd round pick to historic great.
He can go top 10 at the end. Maybe best center before kareem or hakeem
I didn't catch it that early, but around his second year I noticed this no-name 2nd rounder he was averaging 4.9 assists in 29.7 minutes a game in Denver (I was big on Jamal Murray, and he just happened to be the other young player). I thought "if somebody ever puts the ball in his hands we might see a true point-center...." But I NEVER expected he would turn out this good in terms of getting buckets. I figured he'd become a better version of Arvydas Sabonis, maybe a 20-10-6 guy if he got 35 min a night.
Bro did NOT predict that 😭
I saw it in the 2020 bubble like Jokic can ball and make his teammates better.
The year they got rid of nurk to what they saw in jokic was when I noticed. I think that was a year or the year of his breakout and I drafted him in fantasy and he went absolutely bonkers.
Skill is one thing, but you can’t teach the cerebral aspect that Jokic has.
I'd say you can coach guys into having a higher hoops IQ but to be at the level of 'historical hoops savant' like Jokic or LeBron or Magic you have to be born with some cerebral capabilities that 95% of NBA players just don't have and will never have.
In my opinion, you can. I just don’t think many American guys care to deeply understand the game.
@@tompratt7125exactly. Jokic reminds me of Larry Bird. They just see the game a few frames ahead of everyone else.
@KrispyChicken7 Nah. You can definitely open peoples eyes to it, but to be able to know what all other 9 guys are doing, and what they WILL be doing if you pass to X teammate etc, and process that all in real time on both ends is just not something you can teach.
I agree, its genetic. Can't be taught.
I'm a Mavs fan all the way, but Jokic has kicked his game up a notch this season, love to watch him play.
Jokic really might beat Voter fatigue 😂 4th MVP on the way
Voter fatigue doesn't exist when you're a colonizer 😂
@@hitthisloudgbeforeichangem5749boom
@@hitthisloudgbeforeichangem5749 Are you trying to call Serbian man a colonizer? 🤣
@@hitthisloudgbeforeichangem5749 The serbs were literally slaves for almost 400 years... They were colonized by the Romans, Greeks, and the Ottoman Empire until they fought for their freedom. Maybe read a history book lmao
@@hitthisloudgbeforeichangem5749 colonize deeznutz
On top of all that. Jokic plays every damn night. Unlike AD he plays max minutes every game.
Video about Jokic and your corny ahh still found a way to bring up someone else for no reason
@@kjjr3270 They are both top players at their position and both at the top of the MVP race. How is that no reason? use your brain instead of your mouth and take AD's meat out of your mouth.
@@kjjr3270Teague even mentioned AD corny ahh finish the video
@@kjjr3270 exposed
I mean AD has managed to remain relatively healthy these last couple seasons
Luka hasn't dominated so far this season. He hasn't shot well at all. Jokic, however, is leagues better than any other player. Last year, he was the best by a comfortable margin. This year, he's light years ahead of everyone else.
Luka always starts slower than he finishes
IF Jokic can keep this up. Then yes, he is lightyears ahead.
Luka plays himself into shape lol
@@stipconevery year
@@DJ-ov2it He won't maintain this level, but his average day of work is better than prime Lebron.
'He walks on the side of his shoes....' 💀
😂😂😂 thet junt got me
quick reminder that an American hasnt won MVP since James Harden in 2018
Cool 5 years. What about the last 30+ years Americans have dominated? Plus the media never holds the euros to the same standards as american players. Otherwise Luka would be getting thrown under the bus like the whiny bozo that he is 😂
@@hitthisloudgbeforeichangem5749exactly but how the same breath they’ll tell us the dream team in 92 was playin competition in the Olympics lol
And he was a FT merchant
@@hitthisloudgbeforeichangem5749 Americans used to be skilled because they played a more physical game with more defense.
@hitthisloudgbeforeichangem5749 so easy to tell you never graduated college. The rest of the world doesn't care about basketball the way Americans do. The only reason Americans "dominated" is because other countries literally just didn't have the infrastructure or the experience in developing young players. Now they do, and look what hapoened.
0:59 He low-key just started roasting Jokic 😂😂😂
As for being athletic, Jokic runs the floor better than any big man ever. I have seen AD sucking wind chasing Jokic down the floor. Maybe he can't jump, but he doesn't need to so why waste the energy. Sure Anthony Edwards looks cool on a long dive for a slam dunk, but in the end that's only 2 points. Next time you watch Jokic, notice his running, he is tireless. Who is more athletic, a sprinter or a miler??
That is what most people don't look and he is faster then and other PF or C and he play more minutes then other everything start and finish with him
I remember Ayton being mic'd up when playing against Denver and he was complaining about how fast Jokic is despite looking slow
Yep, he hustles every play and can run forever. That is a form of athleticism that many pros wish they had.
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Joker jus choked a game 7
No one can be as good as Jokic and “not care about basketball” his game shows me all i need to know about how much he loves the game
I am grateful that I witnessed the greatness of Jokic !
Jokic doesn’t miss games! He shows up every night and the worst he’ll do is a low scoring triple double. People just don’t want to accept that European are getting better because they focus on fundamentals and playing the game as a team sport, not just one on one runs
Joker is a breath of fresh air in this superstar driven league and proof that the little things still get it done. Go Nuggs!
I got into the NBA late- like 2019 and I could maybe name 15 players in the NBA. I didn’t have a favorite team but I watched the nuggets play on tv and loved watching joker. He immediately became my favorite player and I’ve been a nuggets fan ever since. Crazy good timing that Jokic became the Jesus of basketball and the nuggets won 3 years later 😂
This reminds me of how I became a Nuggets fan way back in 04
Same raptors were good and started watching around that time but every they played Denver jokic would go crazy and win they had the raps number that year jokic never made sense cause at the time he didn’t meet the eye test like teague said but been a fan since
When watching Jokic play I am constantly reminded that in 1992 there was a film ”White Men Can’t Jump”, starring Wesley Snipes as ‘Sidney Deane’ and Woody Harrelson as ‘Billy Hoyle’.
Some quotes.
Sidney Deane to Billy Hoyle :- “You see Billy it's like this, you either smoke or you get smoked. And you got smoked”.
Billy Hoyle to Sidney Deane :- “A white man wants to win first, look good second. A black man wants to look good first, win second”.
Again Billy Hoyle to Sidney Deane :- “A black man would rather miss than look bad”.
Still very relevant today, just look at the bench when someone does something eye catching, whether it scores points or not it is celebrated.
Do they get as excited about the less flashy fundamental stuff.
Jokic is just about winning, he cares little to nothing about personal accolades, just winning.
Europe/overseas developed and caught up along with applying new training methods. US basketball adapted the new methods but stopped stressing pure fundamentals. So we just got a bunch of flashy athletes now.
Jokic puts a lot of big men to shame just on how available he is to play never mind how good he is... it feels like he misses 3 games a season
NO it feels like hes misses 3 games in carier.
Jokic is good but Sebastian Eli Fors is quite literally on a different continent
He's way more athletic than people give him credit for. You don't just dominate the NBA with just "basketball IQ".
Serbian are built different. They don't have what looks like athletism but that is deceptive. Koko IS very athletic. Very quick hands, great dribbling skills, and very very strong. There aren't too many words to describe just how great this guy is.
Jok is athletic. He's literally a proffessional athlete. He's strong, has ridiculous hand eye coordination, and has amazing balance. You're confusing explosiveness with athleticism.
It's really wrong to say that Jokić doesn't love basketball. He just doesn't like all the added shi*t that comes with playing in the NBA. Growing up he spent his time in the stables and on the basketball court.
I agree he loves the game and more importantly he loves winning. You can see it in the games in the beginning he’s a little floppy but when it comes down to the wire he turns on another gear that only the greats have, running with what seems like infinite energy and shouting at teammates all over the floor being a leader, he gets really into it and he’s willing to exhaust himself every night to get the win, ultimate player
One of the only podcast that shows Joker love instead of hating
bro dem chair/desk combo got yall looking tiny and humungous at the same damn time 😭
cant unsee it now
Every time these American players describe Jokic they have to give him backhanded compliments
Yeah bro, because they can't comprehend that you don't need to jump out of the gym or be a super freak athlete to succeed in basketball. Their entire basketball culture is rooted in individualism and flash plays. Lot of them care about having a bag rather than playing winning basketball. Thats y u have dumbasses saying things like kat is better or more skilled than him.
thats just how black dudes are. if they complment you they have to balqnce it with an equal diss.
@@srinivassuresh466y’all protecting y’all insecurities tbh
Americans are losers
I am noticing the change in the appreciation for Jokic's game. It is not easy to see and even harder to say how good Jokic is if good player was defined by LBJ, AD, Kawhi, Westbrook, Blake Griffin and similar super athletes. Now American players are seeing it and saying it, and you can bet that smarter coaches are noticing as well and trying to teach it to young players.
Why do people say Jokic is unathletic? Since when is athleticism only about speed and jumping? He's one of the most agile big men ever and the way he can control his body is ridiculous. Not to mention that strength is part of being athletic.
He has inferior genetics stop being naive lol. That man not athletic
He's built funny...scores 37 points a night. Sums it up. Glad he's playing on my team! You guys are hillarious very enjoyable to listen to.
He makes tough floaters and midrange shots look like wide open layups
He taller than everybody
@@Louisianimal-225EBRhe’s 6’11…
This goof^ jus proved my point 😂
@@Louisianimal-225EBR I was wrong actually he’s a 6’10 center, the average height of centers in the nba is 6’11… what point are you trying to prove here?
Goof steady proving my point ^
If the MVP award had a special horse as an award, Jokic will be a nightmare. Imagine that man with actual motivation
3:20 teague stoopid for saying jokic walks on the sides of his shoes LOL
He loves basketball. He just doesn't fall into the semantics that everyone else does. Doesn't care about what people say about him. Doesn't want praise. His reasons for winning are for him and his team mates.
Jokic is such a special and unique player that nowadays whenever I watch any other team other than Denver, it´s kinda boring which is crazy because we all know many other teams have amazing players but nobody like the Joker. And I mean nobody on Earth like him, bro!
I get that, but I will say Wemby is #2. He is so fun to watch.
Real recognize real. All the NBA players and ex players are the biggest Jokic fans.
When Jokic drained a 3 over AD in the playoffs, he just tipped his hat. Jokic is that good.
Not everything Jokic does can be taught, especially not his instant decision making. You can teach good decision making and to some degree court awareness. But you can't teach doing it instantly. I think Jokic has some kind of neural advantage when it comes to real-time processing. It feels like he has more time than others.
It’s all about observation and mental capacity to lean.
I remember a bit of research done about 15 years or so ago with F1 drivers and ordinary everyday motorists.
They did reaction tests and found that F1 driver’s reactions were no better than any other persons.
Then they found the difference, they found the F1 drivers were a lot more observant. The feel of the car, the track conditions, the tyre grip, and on and on.
Observation gives you the tools to make the right decisions at the right time, and when you see all that is happening around you, then it all appears to slow down.
Until the US stop forcing athletes to be one dimensional then they are never going to move forward vey much, and relying on how high you can jump is limiting.
@@cupiddstunt I think that's just another way to put it. Taking in all that information can't be fully taught either.
"built funny" is a hilarious way to describe Jokic 🤣🤣
Jokic loves basketball. He is NOT in love with American celebrity culture. Most of us aren’t.
That tic tok when he’s talking about Tib’s and “this pick and roll crazy” is one of my favorite clips.
The concept of the Euro club from when they young is out doing the school system in the USA. Jokic is an example of the club system and so is Luka.
The man just wants to play ball and tend to his horses...RESPECT!
Its not skill, it's knowledge + skill. Ball moves faster than anything on the court. Therefore, Jokic and Luka are the fastest.
They keep the ball protected and with a live dribble or passing outlet. Americans dribble the life out the ball and look to finish plays. Keep the dribble live and you'll be the fastest on the court.
When the Joker snagged his first trophy, man, I was on the edge,
Like he’s boutta stack rings, whole legacy pledged.
And now he’s pushin’ the bar, hittin’ peaks that ain't set,
Each season he’s leveling up, like, what limits are left?
Any OG who says they called it, yeah, they straight-up fake,
A second-round pick, now a legend-that’s history made.
Greatest rise we ever seen, just watch the tape,
From the bottom to the top, man, that’s greatness shaped.
The greatness of Joker is insane!
This easily the best basketball podcast out rn
Teams legit need minimum 3 big men just to slow jokic down but will still average a 30 point triple dub
Losing last year to Minnesota seem to have lit a fire under him
The all star game should be USA v.s World team. Winners each get a horse.
Jokic dropping 30/20/20 that game 😭
Denver's training facility needs a stable.
@@Zemlja_je_ravna ha ha
Well Luka used to look fairly athletic but he just let himself go. Jokic has actually gotten in better shape.
This is why that conversation about era’s is incorrect when yall speak on it. The previous eras of basketball had much more skill
Jokic plays old school, whatever way he can score or help the team on either end of the floor thats what he does, real fluid. What the other team is giving him is what he takes. Thats the ultimate tell that he wants to win.
He does care btw. You dont get this good without caring
“Raise the youngns.. dont hurt’m..” B.Hen. Real ish
It's very funny to me, as someone who's from Serbia and watches the game from the angle of a team sport, that people keep mentioning this "eye test" and that Jokic doesn't meat it. I keep wandering what's the "eye test" based on? Is it who dunks the most? Who makes the most blocks? Who has the best handles? Can you define the "eye test" for me please? Because for me, and most people in Serbia, making the right play is what's considered to be a good thing, reading the game and making the best play in your situation. "Eye test" is a very vague word and to me personally it seems as it's invented to prop up someone's personal opinion about a player, if they like or dislike the player or their playstyle, but they don't want to say it openly or they understand that it's just a personal opinion and it doesn't represent the facts with which you actually make logical arguments if someone is or isn't playing good basketball.
It's just how effortless it looks.
Watch someone like Kevin Durant, or Kyrie, when they score, or make a play it looks so smooth and effortless, Paul George is another player, the game is so smooth and effortless to the running the scoring and moves, but Jokic is the complete opposite.
Everything he does looks labored, and like he's REALLY trying, and he looks like a step slower. Yet in fact, he's MILES ahead, and makes incredible decisions, but all the work is done before he even touches the ball, and when he does it's labored, but EFFECTIVE. It's always the same shot, with no sauce with Jokic...so Eye test he just looks...tired and sloppy...until the ball gets into his hand, and you realize everything he was doing off the ball, and before and after a play, and he's always so consistent. But when you look everything appears scattered, but it's because he just sees it all, and so much what he does surprises because of that "non-linearity" of his game.
I don't know if that makes sense, it's just something you pick up as you watch basketball.
It means at first glance he doesn't look like an all-time athlete. They're agreeing about the way he plays and the fact that he dominates. Really they're saying the eye test isn't all that
@@OnyieOnyeabor007 so it's an aesthetic thing? I don't think that what Kyrie does is effortless. When I see what he's doing on the court my knees ache. It does look incredibly smooth and like poetry in motion. But it looks less good when he starts taking wild shots.
It might be a cultural thing, but when I see a player starting to dribble the ball too much and going into 1v1 game, it means that the team game has failed.
When I see Jokic going 1v1 on the low post, that's what you want to see, those are potentially very easy points because a layup is the "shot" that you can make with high %, especially compared to a step back 3 for example. And those type of 1v1 plays look very wild. When you're a player forced to watch that and that team mate misses the shot, it's frustrating. Compare it to Jokic involving the whole team and everyone gets a chance to shine.
Again, I think it's very much a cultural thing, I see what Jokic is doing as far more superior compared to what KD is doing and even results speak to that fact when you look who Jokic lead to the championship compared to with whom KD couldn't win championship.
To give you an example, when I see MPJ or Jamal Murry take one of their shots, I go ape shit crazy and start yelling at the tv for them to pass the damn ball. xD
PS. thx for taking the time to reply
@@stefanjoksa You just explained the difference between Jokic and Luka.
@@dusttaker hah yeah, true. :D But it's hard to argue when they're making those wild shots.
Props to these people. They are the only players who are giving unconditional flowers to Jokic. Everyone tried to bring in Embiid in the discussion
International Players want to be the best
Players in America want to look good and be famous ... Even though they're famous
Here in Denver the standard has been set that when he doesn't get a triple double it's weird and it's usually cause he's just like 2 rebounds short or something
Jokic is an all timer...
Boston might turn into a dynasty, GSW might come back, OKC are amazing, Shai is MVP material, so many things happening so many great players, but Jokic is an all timer, and right now Joker playing like he cares, cause Nuggets have gotten worse since the title, unfortunate, i won't rank him, but Jokic is one of the greatest players of all time regardless of position and trust i do not like the Nuggets or anyone there, but what the fuck is this man?🤣
offensively he is already top 10 all time and possibly much higher than that
Finally, a podcast saying facts, not hating.
So is it like crazy? 2:40
I think part of it is that NBA games have devolved into 3 point shooting contests. Strategy is just spread the perimeter, which means defense is focused on protecting the perimeter. They don’t know what to do with a guy who’s efficient from mid range because the mid range shot is all but dead. He has a skill set that’s perfect to take advantage of the deficiencies of the modern game.
People keep saying Jokic doesn’t care about basketball. C’mon man.. stop doing that.
This just a stupid myth. You see it everytime, last game against the Mavs for example, bro was fuming like crazy. He is passionate about basketball, like really. Its just the whole media stuff he doesnt like and i can definitely understand him.
His Stat lines are just insane. It would be different if this is like a once or twice a year occurrence but it basically seems like he goes out there and does this more often than not. Would be if he was just putting 30 or 40 points and had no assists that’s not the case though it’s not even like hog ball or anything
🃏5MVP
I 100% agree how great Jokic is! 4th MVP coming (should have been 4 straight and 5th this season).
Can we stop this bullshit that Jokić is not athletic? It downplays all his hard work to keep himself in shape.
Sure, he's slow footed and can't jump. But he's STRONG as fuck and fit as a fiddle, his motor is second to none. That's also part of athleticism.
The compliment to roast to compliment was hysterical.
B-b-but, I thought this was the most skilled era? Lmaooo finally yall seeing the obvious. Foreign players are carrying the NBA
If it's the most skilled era then I'd hate to see what it looked like before, LOL.
This clown said foreigns carrying 😂
Nikola Jokic Nov.10, 2024:
"It's easy to be a general after a war ..."
Teague glazing the overseas colonizers no surprise 😂
grow up u sad fuk. Get a life and stop hating on a man that didnt do u any wrong
Are you really saying that about a Serbian??
You re tard
Never forget your just dumb and fat English people. 🤣🤣
What?!? He’s glazing the colonizers? Not just recognizing how great Jokic is playing?? Lame comment.
A mentally challenged American no surprise 😂
Jokic is the player Naithsmith envisioned when he invented the game 🏀
Jokic is a straight gamer. Bro rather be playin league of legends and riding his horses but he's knows he still elite enough to clock in 9-5
Jokic through 10 games: 30/14/12 on 56% shooting while getting hacked on every possession. If they officiated him like they do Embiid or SGA he’d be averaging an easy 35.
If Jokic showed up to the NFL Draft he would blow out every OT in all the athletic measures
Can’t deny his greatness. But in general, assists are over inflated today. If I pass the ball to you , and you take more than 2 dribbles. That cannot count as an assist.
Pretty sound argument but as long as it is applied across the board then it's fair. It may well be wrong but not unfair.
In fact that would probably make Joker even more efficient when you consider how many in full stride no dribble assists he hands out.
"he's not athetic, he's slow as shit, he's built funny, and he's out here getting 37 points, 18 rebounds, 15 assists"
Love the pod you guys are real
I kinda disagree with some thing where. Yes Jokic obviously isn't athletic, but the skill and agility he has at his size is obviously natural talent. Of course he works hard and had good training growing up. But dude has mad talent. Also he def likes basketball. Just his demeanor comes across like he doesn't lol
Jokic is like the Coach is playing by example!!!!
the big difference between jokic and other NBA players is that jokic plays to win and he doesnt care about dunks and show off , and thats what other players do , they want to be a star and they rarely are, jokic is a superstar worker, you need workers in your team and then stars and jokic is both
Joker is big man triple double plus three time MVP and finals MVP .he been him for yrs .give him his flowers plus he in his prime
That's one of things that I don't understand about the whole "The modern NBA player is more skilled" take. Bigs can't play in the post, guards don't know how to pass to the post, very few players can play in the mid-range, and they don't know how to run a fast break properly so where is all of this skill? Making 36% shots harder by dribbling back further away?
Put any contemporary player in the 80s and 90s and see what they would do and how quickly they would adjust.
Players are way more skilled, on both ends.
jokic is the absolute role model. 100% on the court and at practice than 100% family. no bullshit, no social media, no club and stuff. Enjoy the summer than 100% lock in again. We are just a lost culture who cant appreciate greatness.
Serbia is crazy about winning. Jokic definately got that mindset which drives him to dominate like this
Its funny how they call him slow and un-athletic, but he runs the floor more than any other big in the league, going both ways...
Jokic is proof Bird would have dominated today aswell and probably put better numbers than he did in the 80s. Its playing within a team using your teammatesbto your advantage and then also iso when there is no other option. Its crazy how similar they play.
Yall got to start the new underground Tiny Desk Concert Series lol
Now Jokic calling out the other team’s plays before they run them!? The MVP is leveling up!