Were Vietnam War Veterans Spit On?
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- Well, maybe? We likely don't know. And yet, the myth that Vietnam War veterans were spat on by anti-war protestors a lot persists.
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Sources/further reading:
Lembcke, Jerry (1998). The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam. New York, NY: New York University Press. ISBN 9780814751473.
Beamish, Thomas D.; Molotch, Harvey; Flacks, Richard (August 1995). "Who Supports the Troops? Vietnam, the Gulf War, and the Making of Collective Memory". Social Problems. 42 (3): 344-360. doi:10.2307/3096852. JSTOR 3096852.
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I used to believe that MANY Vietnam War veterans were called “baby-killers” and even spat on by anti-war protestors when they returned home from the war. I bet many of you watching this right now believe this, too. In fact, there are videos on UA-cam that bring it up.
But that’s another historical myth.
There is no conclusive evidence of this ever happening, despite many historians trying to uncover such evidence. In fact, according to one poll, only 1% of Vietnam War vets said that their homecoming was “not at all friendly.” Now, I’m not saying a spitting incident didn’t happen at all, but if it did, the evidence proving it is shaky.
So how did this myth originate? Eh, it maybe started with this G.I. Joe cartoon from the 1980s, then was later repeated by politicians making fun of anti-war protestors.
Not only did I believe the myth until recently, I used to teach it to my high school students. I'm sorry for amplifying this myth.
Edit: Ok, the myth is NOT that it never happened. Personally, I think it happened to at least a few vets.
The myth is that it was widespread. Also, if you don't like the information I am reporting, that says more about you than me. Sources are linked in the description. As always, I encourage you to research this for yourselves.
Don't get it twisted. Vietnam veterans were mostly heroes just trying to survive.
It did happen.
I’d say look at it from 2 lenses:
One from the political side that amplified the cartoon for political purposes that made it a national headline.
On the other the anti war protestors that saw this cartoon and normalized that behavior because of the amplification and sentiment.
I’ve had 3 relatives that served in Vietnam and had the same story. Coming home they were met with praise from one side and hatred from the other to which all three said they had been spit on.
Now I wouldn’t say it was as common as some other things. But 1 instance is too many and enough to say it’s not okay.
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While I don't know about any spitting incidents, it is true that Vietnam vets were treated more poorly than other vets, such as wwii. The war was unpopular and the college protests made them pariahs. This is well documented.
@@Kunalghosh-i6c Great ideas!
My dad fought in Vietnam. His homecoming was, indeed, not at all friendly. But that's probably not because he was a Vietnam war vet but because he was Black. 🙃
Oh no...I'm sorry he went through that. :(
I don't understand why a black person would ever fight all the way across the world to further the goals of the rich white elites that deny him basic rights back at home. Mumammad Ali said it himself.
Weren't the anti war protesters against racism tho? Like they were progressives. Like they would march side by side with black students.
What a plot twist!
Was my comment deleted???
I didn’t get spit on at the airport . Someone ahead of me on the escalator farted, but I’m not sure it was intentional
It's only intentional if they grunted really hard
Did they cough afterwards?
I’m crying 🤣🤣
Was it loud?
Nah .....airplane food are just suck
I personally came back from Iraq and Afghanistan and was called a baby killer in a college class room lol
I'm sorry that happened to you
They're right
As a college student from Las Vegas NV I am very sorry that other students decided to be disrespectful towards you. Thank you for your service even when it wasn't needed.
it might be true, but it also wouldn't be your fault per se. The government tells people to go to war and bear all the shame on their behalf.
@@nuklearboysymbiote Following unjust orders to kill civilians and committing war crimes is in fact your fault, if you choose to do it. Serving your country doesn't mean forfeiting your humanity, you still have agency -and therefore responsibility - in your moral choices even if you are in the army, because you're not a robot, you are still human.
My father spent 4 tours in Vietnam and said that he got nothing but respect and appreciation for his service. He stayed in the service for 19 years.
And to be clear, he was Marine grunt for three years and then joined the US Army Special Forces. He was in the thick shit.
Tell him thank you for his service.
@@iammrbeat, wow, thank you MrBeat. Love your content. I know he would appreciate that. Sadly he’s been gone for 39 years.
Again, thank you!
@@iammrbeat Thank you for your service? What? Travelling thousands of miles to invade another country and shoot some people? I can't say I'm too surprised coming from somebody who loves George W Bush
Fuck him. He went over there to subjugate and destroy lives, whether he was conscious of it or not. Absolutely awful man, tool of the western empire.
Read "kill anything that moves"
My grandpa, when he does talk about Vietnam often mentions the poor welcome home he received
Notice that this comment has no specifics at all boo fucking hoo bout your pa😊
My grandpa can testify to the spitting and hatefulness he received when he came home from Vietnam
I'm sorry he went through that
That's lovely and all, but it's still anecdotal. Just because your grandpa got spit on doesn't mean every veteran shares the same experience.
@@jawad-0 So essentially you think they're mostly making it up, like most of them in order for it not to be widespread. My half brother's dad said this happened to him as well but that's just anecdotal too so it means nothing I suppose.
@@ShaithMaster I'm sure most of them are telling the truth, and I empathize with them. However, there's a reason using anecdotes to back an argument is considered a logical fallacy.
There being accounts of a few people experiencing something doesn't mean it was a widespread experience among everyone. You'd need to conduct some sort of study to assess that. And a majority of studies show that most veterans had a pretty welcoming homecoming experience.
@@iammrbeatno your not🤦🏼♂️ just stop, your attempts to save face on this one is quite, pathetic. Your pride is showing.
"I came home unwelcome from war"
"But do you have a SOURCE for that?!"
Yeah honestly it’s kinda of a disgusting video. How can this guy say it was a myth when there’s video and photos of them being mistreated. Does every soldier need to be spit on for it to be true?
From what I've seen, most people who say that it never happened.
Tend to point to situations in small towns. Or certain communities.
We're the veterans we're welcome back with open arms.
@@crank-it-today9568didn't know isolated incidents applied to the entire country but go off lmfao, does one person have to be spit on for everyone to be blamed?
@@jaibruh America wasn’t the only country to have war vets. They were treated poorly in my country. Can’t believe there are people like that think like this. Backwards. They were hero’s. Show some respect for these men and what they went through. No one thinks every war vet was spit on but it doesn’t mean it never happened and that we shouldn’t talk about. You hippie liberals at the time treated those men like pigs and now they’re all grown up and try to send our kids. Disgusting behaviour from teenagers to adults
@@crank-it-today9568 Videos and photos of that happening would be called a source, nitwit. 1% of veterans saying their homecoming wasn't welcoming is ENTIRELY different.
My grandpa got spit on and called a baby killer in the San Francisco airport
It was last year though and he isnt a vet.
hu
What are you talking about
@@gatorpack5542 wtf
@@gatorpack55421973 wasn’t last year cowboy. But I’m glad you woke up from your coma and are doing better.
Many vets in my area speak on how the government made them do war crimes and are very anti war these days
the transparency is appreciated, but no, the government did not make them do war crimes
the government instructed them to commit those crimes, and they loyally followed those orders through
@@tsvtsvtsvdo you even understand what would happen to them if they don’t follow every order, during the Somalian war Canada forced their soldiers to take psychoactive drugs, court martial if you didn’t, and when the soldiers went insane because of these drugs the government pins the blame on the soldiers they forced to take drugs
@@themrlupo3591how did the “just following orders” defense work for the nazis?
@@themrlupo3591
Canada would also force native draftees to commit blatant war crimes like unlawful executions. Because natives werent considered full citizens and were basically federal government property their family back home on the reservations would face retribution if they refused to follow those orders. Straight out of something Stalin would do. The more you look behind the clean media image of Canada you realize that canadian confederation and the federal project has always been blatantly evil and it was started by creepy inbred wannabe aristocrats who make the southern slavers look sane by comparison and to this day they basically run the canadian economy and fill all the seats of power. One day someone is going to leak a lot of skeletons from the canadian government showing a trail of sadism, war crimes, and abuse leading up to the present day and it will be a shock to the world.
My grandfather was called baby killer along with his entire platoon fresh off the boat.
I'm sorry he got called that.
well did they kill babies
@@jskalpaditoelbfj6326yes
@@jskalpaditoelbfj6326 No.
@@jskalpaditoelbfj6326Those who sent the troops should be blamed.
This video is poorly worded. It is definitely not a myth, that much is sure, you should've just said that the AMOUNT of cases of this have been exaggerated
@zenthous9568 I think the idea is more like, there was not a single concerted, _organized_ effort to denegrate the homecoming soldiers. Rather, if anyone did spit on them, it was a one-off kook. Definitely one more than "no one spat on homecoming Vietnam soldiers" but far from anything close to the level of the _"God Hates F--... Vets"_ campaign from the Westbourough Baptist Church from 15 years back.
@@nickfifteen true, but it's not how it really came across to me, since it does happen. It's not like he specifically said it had to be an organised effort
@@nickfifteenhe literally denied it happening at all, this dudes clearly just wrong here. It happened, it happened a lot. Maybe a little exaggerated, but there were LOTS of anti homecoming protests organized. It was no secret people hated them.
@@zenthous9568The whole point of the video os that with Vietnam specifically it wasnt rlly the case.
I mean fuck thinking about why makes ones brain hurt, the reason anti war protesters were that was because their friends or even themselves had been drafted an sent to fight the unjust war
@@dennile_7355 huh? I dont get what you mean
“There’s no conclusive proof that vets were spat on aside from the numerous first hand reports of vets being spat on”
They lied, just like those people who got their slaves taken away and said that Fidel took their farm.
American veterans, famously a group of people that never lie about or exaggerate life events and accomplishments.
@@TheWatchersDance I mean, there's a lot of stories of veterans downplaying what they did to make the VA accept their claims for benefits, or to get medals, etc.
@@TheWatchersDance content creators who talk about political figures. They’ve never been known to lie to push an agenda
he isnt saying it never ever happened, he is simply correcting that it wasnt the experience for the vast majority of all vietnam vets. even your language, "numerous reports", suggests it was a big problem. which is just not true. maybe you should use your thinking cap a little longer before you say things, yea?
The Vietnam Vets were not only spit on but garbage was thrown at them as well. So sad! 😢
My papa is a Vietnam vet. When he got home after fighting in Vietnam, the anti-war movement had really begun heating up. So much so that my papa was afraid to even indicate he fought in Vietnam. If it tells you anything, my papa wears a lot of baseball hats, especially military related ones. He has one for POWs, rangers (he was a ranger), army, korea, etc. He refused to wear a vitnam vet hat all the way up until about 2009.
Edit: I'm not saying you're wrong, Mr. Beat. Just showing how terrible the war was for those who fought it.
You can't find much evidence of violence against vets, but you can find tons of evidence against war protestors. Tells you all you need to know about who were the ones with a target on their back.
Violence against vets by protestors, that is.
@MSCCA Not to mention, the FBI's illegal domestic surveillance program COINTELPRO was conducted primarily to undermine the war protest movement. It was certainly more dangerous domestically to be an anti-war protestor. Also, being anti-war was not the same as anti-veteran. In fact a lot of protestors were veterans themselves like best selling author Ron Kovic.
@@MSCCA it was not great for vets of the time. Also, they weren’t lazy, they fought for their country, where that’s not the case with all those radicals causing too much a fuss in the streets.
@@Sebman1113 war protestors are radical for being against imperialism?
Wait, wasn't that clip of the guy at the beginning saying "we were spit on" considered a primary source?
A primary source doesn’t mean it’s necessarily an accurate or honest source
If one person says they saw Bigfoot, that doesn't mean Bigfoot is real. Multiple sources must be cross-referenced and evaluated. Primary sources are valuable, but one primary source is insignificant when trying to find the truth of a more widespread event.
I saw Bigfoot believe me@@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat kind of a big difference between getting spit on and saying bigfoot is real. Not a great example lol
@@darknova9978 lol ok you're right. Bad example. My point still stands. I should add that the guy in the clip is likely telling the truth. But the myth is that it was a larger trend.
"I was spit on and called baby killer after the war"
"You got a source for that bro?"
I mean…. People can misremember and lie. Hence why someone saying it isn’t enough, you usually need more than one persons statement. Like did anyone else from his unit who came back report the same case?
That's not how we study history. If one person says they saw Bigfoot, that doesn't mean Bigfoot is real. Multiple sources must be cross-referenced and evaluated.
Lol exactly. "Many first hand accounts of this occurring across youtube." Also, "No historical evidence of this ever occurring...But this cartoon!"
@@iammrbeat True but seeing Bigfoot and saying I was spat upon are two different things. Extraordinary claims do require extraordinary evidence. Being spat upon doesn't require the same level of scrutiny as Bigfoot.
I think the evidence suggests most Vietnam vets were welcomed normally, but I wouldn't disbelieve a person claiming he was personally spat upon because most veterans weren't.
@@iammrbeat your just pain stupid and trying hard for views and likes
I remember being told countless times by biologists that nine banded armadillos could not roll into a ball for defense. And yet in a wildlife book it shows a picture of a nine banded armadillo rolled up into a ball.
I bring this up because just because no apparent evidence of a hostile reception towards Vietnam vets happening on a large scale exists doesn't mean that it never happened. There is also another aspect that I'm not seeing being brought up is that simply having PTSD would make those believe that such hostility actually happened.
@ 1TakoyakiStore who cares what you wonder? You probably think all armadillos are the same anyway.
there would be more reports and police records then. video cameras were pretty wide spread by that point at least among journalists as well there would simply be a lot more records if it was a wide spread thing
So a bunch of people saying things didn't mean anything in the face of documentation? You see how that's a tad ironic, right?
He never said it never happened mate. He said it was widely put out of proportion lol
Love how he can explicitly say that it most likely did happen, it just wasn't widespread, and jingoists will just ignore that because coming up with a coherent rebuttal is hard.
My grandfather served 1968 was deployed in Germany for the border but when he came home and landed at Logan airport he was welcomed by protestors yelling and calling him a baby killer when he never even went to Vietnam
I wouldn’t just call it a “Myth” if I did happen lol
If it happened once or twice, and then it gets overblown into a story about some country-wide "spit at a home coming Vietnam vet competition" that then gets told over and over for decades, then yes, it is a myth.
Just like a lot of actual historical/folklore/religious myths have a smidge of true story somewhere at their core, that got blown out of proportions and then (in case of folklore and religious ones) shrouded in magic and/or divine intervention.
Like turning water into wine (which most likely was Jesus just mixing water and wine) St.Patrick driving snakes out of Ireland (there were never any snakes in Ireland, not since the beginning of the last Ice Age 2mln years ago, he was murdering pagans, and not all of them either- it was IV century, no country on earth at that time could've committed a 100% effective ethnic cleansing)
Scylla and Charybdis were a magical/mystical representation of really treacherous strait- The Strait of Messina, between Sicily and mainland Italy- a whirlpool on one hand and a big cliff with sharp rocks coming straight to the sea's surface on the other, with currents trying to push you into either one- and yes, there are some nasty sea currents there, even today, especially if the weather isn't clear, that strait it dangerous to smaller ships (or normal sized ships by ancient standards) and whirlpools do sometimes form there.
But regardless of how dangerous that strait actually is- the story of two cursed human-eating daughters of Poseidon and Gaia that live there and hunt sailors, is still just as much of a myth.
war vet: literally says his experience of this
mrbeat: 'but thats a myth'
This guy’s logic is off. Specifically his argument from a lack of evidence and the percentage cited. Calling it a myth is crazy.
The myth is that a majority of GI returned to the US with the public hating and disrespecting them. Which according to the sources he found, is not true, only a small minority were treated that way.
the myth is that majority vietnam vet returned and spit one
that is untrue and only small minority viet vet experience that. u know that if you open your ear and have a brain bigger than a nut
@@YellowRose7935 the issue is that there’s many first hand accounts of such events happening by people that are still around, this wasn’t that long ago relatively speaking so people literally lived it and would know.
Calling it a myth solely because there “isn’t evidence” is literally disregarding first hand evidence, when that is all we have for evidence for either side of these interactions. It’s literally just the equivalent of saying “no” and nothing else, there’s nothing of substance actually provided here.
@@Hamdog74It's definitely a myth. One intentionally promoted to convey the sense that the soldiers were mistreated by the peace movement, instead of the state that ordered them into the invasion.
I watched them try to start the same rumor about soldiers returning from IRQ.
Repeated incidents like this would be heavily documented. Complaint and arrest records, journalist accounts, eyewitness accounts corroborating the description of who, what, when, where, and so on. Video and photo might even be present, given that peace activists tend to seek the camera when scheduling protests.
The people on whom the liquid landed would not take it quietly, there would be an incident. And this incident would have documentation at the least, and forensic evidence in some cases.
Vague claims by a handful of people that this was known to happen without any detail whatsoever are not eyewitness accounts. That's someone remembering Rambo.
@@Hamdog74Except he's not calling out isolated incidents as being myths??? What is so hard to understand? The myth is the fact that *A MAJORITY* of the population did NOT harass or spit on returning soldiers. Meaning it wasn't a nationwide epidemic like some made it out to be. Just because a handful of soldiers voiced their experiences doesn't mean it's universally applied. You know how many soldiers returned from Vietnam? You know how many places they returned to?
If a vet is spit on by only a few people, but thousands give a cheerful welcome, then the vet could still report having a "friendly homecoming". The two are not mutually exclusive.
I would also be curious what kinds of empirical evidence would be considered to be relevant or not. Lembcke cites lack of police reports and news reports as indications of the myth, but that is hardly meaningful to the point. Would we really expect to see vets running to the police and press because someone spit on them? I doubt it.
In my opinion the best and most notable evidence would be the firsthand accounts of veterans themselves. And judging by the volume of comments in just this single video that claim a poor reception of themselves or family members, I would be inclined to think that it happened quite a bit. Not every veteran; probably not even most. But based on the information we have, to conclude that "the truth is that nobody spat on Vietnam veterans" as the author of most of your sources did is absolutely insane.
Over 8.7 million Americans served active duty in the armed forces during the Vietnam war, if this type of behavior was so widespread then there would be evidence of it, he isn't saying it never happened he is saying people massively exaggerate the occurrences.
@@Atomicketchup Well like I said, what kind of evidence would you be looking for? It's not like people were carrying around smartphones to record confrontations like they do today. And it's not like a vet will run to the media or to the PD when some rando spits on them. I can't think of any realistic form of evidence for this except firsthand accounts which there are many of.
Also I didn't accuse Mr. Beat of saying that it never happened. However, the primary author of the sources he cited, Jerry Lembcke, DID claim that nobody ever spat on Vietnam vets.
@@Atomicketchuphow many vets would report it anyways? It’s a pride thing, if you had that much youd feel a bit of shame admitting someone spat on you
@@AtomicketchupWhat kind of evidence is there supposed to be?
@ArpitJindal-kf2vm The poll did not specifically address getting spit on
I know this happened because I knew Vietnam vets that were treated very badly just walking through airports trying to get home.
I spent a lot of time at the local VFW in my hometown as a kid. Not only did no one every tell me this happened, the vast majority of them told me that the anti-war people were the MOST welcoming to them. Because they knew that the vast majority of folks who went over there didn't want to.
“Guys since not every incident was written down and i am being VERY literal, it never happened”
I got spit on coming home from basic in 2008. I was in uniform in the Portland Airport.
You were in Portland
@@kempeioniiko7916 I know, it was a bad move.
You're a liar.
@@the_exegete based on what? how do you know?
you kids are so stupid. brainrot idiot.
Im sorry you had to be in Portland
And a lot of Vietnam vets returning from the war joined the protesters in protesting the war as did the conscientious objectors.
@@ICHope1 hey I wanted to reply to your video I've been going through a lot of comments some blinds on my text-to-speech and speech that is text to speech with screen readers they read it from me so if this is has a lot of misspelled words a lack of punctuation stuff like that I'm not a bad typer and believe it or not I'm not even illiterate like I said I'm just using speech to take that has its own unique take on the speech to text that has its own unique take on the English language and how it's written anyway I myself missed the Vietnam war draft by just years as I got older I have lots of friends who were Vietnam vets plus I saw lots of vets coming home friends Brothers etc stuff like that not one of them told me about how how they had a good reception some of them were hearing what was going on back home in the states and took off their uniforms in the bathrooms of airports and stuff like that this was very widespread and and and and and spitting on somebody does not make a situation a for a warm homecoming not at all every one of my friends and I had quite a few every one of my friends brothers who served etcetera I hadn't heard one thing good about their homecoming and except except that they were home that was the only good thing they could say and most of them never wanted to talk about it. The words of Vietnam vets were treated and the soldiers were treated on leave etcetera was disgusting my father was the president for two terms of the BBVA that's the blind veterans association the New York region it's a pretty big area he was also vice president for a while and a whole bunch of other stuff and he would tell me stories of blinded vets that you know had trouble when they came home you know these were so deep-rooted that all of them every one of my friends never got over it really and you know never wanted to talk about it much although a couple of them opened up to me pretty amazing people he's with people who in many cases didn't have a choice they were drafted one of my friends told me that when he got home they were they were a group of people protesters and they were yelling at him that he should have been killed that you should have killed himself there if he wasn't killed there by the threethemes for brave people who had experiences that civilians would never ever imagine in their life no matter if you saw it on the video if you saw pictures if you read about it you could not imagine the experiences that soldiers in battle in foreign countries go through and yeah that should be treated like heroes of what they are anyway I'm not trying to lecture I'm just trying to show or prove a point that this was very widespread this was coming and this is why you never proudly displaying their medals the uniforms whatever anyway hope you're safe stay safe this country is crazy the world is crazy and yeah sincerely David Raphael AKA Bob the blind bedroom guitarist
"Historians say it didn't happen, even though the veterans say it happened"
OK dude. Living embodiment of the "source?!" Wojak
I guess I'm in the 1 percent....
I'm sorry you experienced that.
Im sorry you had to go through that and I thank you for your service. Welcome home, and I am also sorry that so many still don’t believe you.
Or you’re lying
Were you there?.. apparently not, Have it your way I'm not gonna argue with a denier you probably don't even believe the holocaust happened.
Good,I'm glad you're not sorry as I thrive on it.
My marketing professor in college was called a baby killer when he was boarding a plane dressed in uniform. It caused an incident on the plane. From what I recall he didn't mention being spat on, but he was called a baby killer. While I'm sure it wasn't "as common" as some made it out to be that's not to say there were no instances of that happening. I acknowledge that well, you acknowledge that, but he's not the first Vietnam vet I met who had a run in with that kind of hostility. Maybe it's based on region? I'm not sure but I definitely met quite a few vets with stories like that. I didn't hear it from some source, I heard straight from the mouth of a Vietnam vet.
My grandfather who got drafted and fought in Vietnam said when he came home and got on a bus with his uniform on a woman scolded her kid for even looking at my grandfather and told the child to not look at people like him (uniformed) because they’re killers. He said after he got off the bus and came home he took the uniform off and never wore it again. He won’t even stand to be acknowledged as a veteran at banquets and other events
good for him. he was made to understand there is no honor in serving the united states
@@tsvtsvtsv your comment is not appreciated and lacks understanding. I find it quite offensive in fact by it’s ignorance and tone. It was not good for him because he suffered greatly after the war, and he wasn’t made to understand anything, he chose to not wear the uniform again. He has always said, his only goal was to come home and see his family, and he did whatever it took to do that. He was never upset at that woman and child, he never hated the Vietnamese, and he doesn’t hate the U.S. nor it’s armed forces. He just wanted to move on and live his life without all that bullshit
@@tsvtsvtsv I can see that you’re just here to hate and stir people up with rude, incite full comments in this comment section. You’re just a parasite that feeds on pissing people off in comment sections because you need a way to feel some form of power or influence since you’re probably a cuckold in real life. Way to go, you’re really on to something here.
@@tsvtsvtsv send me your contact information, I got time to talk. I wanna hear what you have to say
@@tsvtsvtsv what’s your contact info? I wanna talk and I got time
Many did, but not to the extent that movies and the lore started.
Oh I'm sure it happened. Like you implied, it just wasn't widespread.
@@iammrbeat Your video with these words out of your mouth: "There is no conclusive evidence of this ever happening." So did it happen, or did it not?
@@Icanhasautomaticcheeseburger "Conclusive evidence" means more than just anecdotes. Historians have a rigorous process to study the truth about the past. Personally, I think it DID happen, just not often.
@@iammrbeatthen fucking be honest in the video
@@globe0147 except he was wasn’t he? quote me where he explicitly states that he believes not a single vet was harassed. please i beg of you because all you’re proving to me is that you have horrible listening skills. he said that he didn’t believe the treatment was widespread, not that it didn’t happen, idiot.
It's kind of odd to say that nobody spit on returning soldiers, and then cut to a clip of a Vietnam vet describing someone spitting on him and insulting him, and to say that 1% of Vietnam vets reported being harassed upon their return. I'm pretty sure there are hundreds of thousands of Vietnam vets, so this would mean that thousands of veterans reported harassment (at the minimum). It definitely happened.
Also, a more personal anecdote. My grandfather is a very liberal guy. Working class fellow, about Biden's age, and he also grew up in rural Pennsylvania (not far from Biden's hometown, actually). My grandpa was in a union for his whole career, he voted for JFK when he was old enough to vote for the first time, and I think he supported Senator Sanders in the last election. He was also drafted for Vietnam, but he'd just had a kid so he was exempted from serving. Anyway, my grandfather was telling me last year that he fully supported the antiwar movement, at least until he saw the antiwar people on TV spitting on returning soldiers. That made him furious for obvious reasons-- he still says that he wanted to beat up every one of those hippies who spit on a returning soldier... Those 20-year-old vets were drafted and had no choice in the matter, and they struggled for a long time after coming home. Attacking veterans only delegitimized the entire antiwar movement. And, unlike the premise of this clip implies, VETS WERE HARASSED UPON RETURNING HOME. Maybe it wasn't as widespread as public memory claims, but it definitely happened to many thousands of American veterans. The mistreatment of veterans (not just from Vietnam, but from Iraq and Afghanistan too) remains a reason why I sometimes feel ashamed to call myself an American-- veterans gave so much for our country, the least we can do is offer them the respect and medical assistance that they need.
Anecdotal evidence is still anecdotal evidence.
Try again, I suppose
it’s also still evidence
He didn't say that no one was
Do you have a SINGLE piece of evidence I mean ANYTHING at all that THOUSANDS of troops were harassed upon returning home from Vietnam??
Hell at this point id take thousands of "my grandpa said" stories as proof because you just did exactly what this video is claiming happened to spread this rumor.
You stated with authority that literally THOUSANDS of soldiers were harassed when returning home. With NO evidence to back that up. Grandpa is ONE. His buddy is two. Your friends brothers uncles dad is three. Where are your THOUSANDS? Your comment is amazing at sharing the very way that this sort of rumor is started and propagated throughout society. Started by the war very mongering politicians that wanted the anti war Americans to look bad. This is amazing. I'm glad I learned this.
That's really good food for thought - thank you for sharing. I think that sometimes, because it has been the case that some military policies and individual members have been responsible for pretty awful stuff, people can quickly make assumptions (based on the idea that any individual service member /could/ have been involved) and forget the importance of the presumption of innocence. It’s hard because I assume that it comes from a place of valuing the lives of civilians, etc who may have been harmed by military action, but it’s a problem that they don’t take the time to learn when people in the military are innocent themselves (and may have been traumatized by their own experience in the military). I hope people can take a more nuanced view and just approach people as individuals, treating them with decency and respect.
My grandfather came back in 1970 and HATED Abby Hoffmans guts to his dying day from Agent Orange exposure and the 5 different kinds of cancer that came with it
I believe that they came home in a very unusual fashion, compared to how other war vets were sent home. They said compared to ww2, it was a lonely rapid return, with no time or peers to decompress
This is definitely true
I remember a scene from the TV show Lou Grant in the 70s where a Vietnamese vet claimed he was spit on and called a baby killer.
Fascinating...this perhaps also contributed to the myth.
@@iammrbeat it's not a myth dude stop saying it's a myth it's an exaggerated scenario at best
@@wyattsherwood9083 No need to get all emotional. I'm just repeating what historians have said. The myth is that it was widespread. There is no evidence whatsoever that it was widespread. Try to cope.
@@iammrbeat bruh “try to cope” you’re definitely a teacher, do you even care about your fans at all? I mean you don’t care about your hairstyle so I’m assuming you don’t care about fans
@@wyattsherwood9083 bro got told to cope by the one and only mr beat. What a sight.
Yes, no confirmed evidence other than the eye witness who experienced it that you showed quoted in your video.
It was not a universal experience by any means, but there are too many interviews with veterans that said it happened to them for us to say no evidence.
People can lie, Harold.
@@EClaire.1073 Human Nature almost guarantees that it did happen. Maybe it was not ubiquitous, but Humans are nasty to each other.
Most of the "baby killer" rhetoric came from the big Peace rallies with the big-name Hippy activists, it was not just random people spitting on Vets and accusing them of atrocities.
But it wasn't just that. Hollywood did not show the Military in a good light, and that mentality didn't shift until the mid-80's.
@EClaire.1073 So you're suggesting hundreds if not thousands of people all unanimously lied to gain...
Sympathy?
Money?
This idea is a dangerous road to go down. If we begin to discuss the mass deception of Vietnam veterans then that can lead to demonization. Already people see them as war criminals. So if we let this misinformation slide then it will let future veterans face further discrimination.
@@EClaire.1073and how do you know that every one of them lied?
Not enough evidence to say it was a widespread issue. Mr Beat has said multiple times that it probably did happen sometimes, but definitely not to the extent we are made to believe.
My great grandpa, my other grandpa, my grand uncles, and many of my neighbors growing up talked about how people who literally spit on them and call them baby killers. My grandpa almost committed suicide because of how much he was harassed, even by his own neighbors and siblings.
My father who came home from was advised to remove his uniform and to just go home. He didn't. He was called a baby killer and was denied by 4 taxi drivers a drive home from the airport to his home. It was a 5 mile walk so he figured, "why not?" so he started heading home. He said that a taxi driver offered him a ride and insisted be would take him. According to my dad, "welcome home soldier. It's the least I can. It's free. Don't worry about it." And he went home. He said that on the way home, he found out that the Taxi driver's son was KIA in Vietnam. And lost a nephew there too so it hit hard. The taxi driver went on to say, "I never served. I was about to head out to basic during world war 2 but the war ended so I didn't go. I got hurt before Korea. Couldn't go so I was a police officer before a disability forced me to retire from the force. And here I am, a taxi driver"
I feel bad for Vietnam vets. They were pawns sent to fight in a war they didn't belong in.
Another myth was that the majority of soldiers in Vietnam were forcibly conscripted (vastly untrue) they were propaganda machines stepping in to help France maintain a colony
Just like the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan
@@Gormbauer and Korea, Grenada, Haiti, Guatemala, Panama, Syria, Libya lol
@@millierockin1949 all correct, pawns for someone else's game.
@@Gormbauer their identities aren’t a mystery either. They’re the corporate ghouls who make money hand over fist by destroying entire regions and the people that live in them. As well as their political lackeys (both democrats and republicans)
My Grand father said his homecoming was more sad and quiet than anything. He said there were some on lookers with disgusted or confused looks but he wasn’t really focused on it.
I'm not a Vietnam vet, but I have been spit on for being a soldier. I never believed that there were masses of people gathering to spit on veterans, but I do know for a fact it happened. You never know what kind of day some jerk is having.
consider yourself lucky you only got saliva, pig
@@tsvtsvtsv dude what is your problem? Quit being a cuckold
This is… probably something you shouldn’t go out of your way to try and “disprove”
And why not? What if it's not true?
That is a very revealing statement, mon frere.
My own grandfather claimed he was mistreated for being a Vietnam vet when he returned and I have no reason to disbelieve that, he claimed to either witness or experience the spitting and screaming and baby killer remarks
(Sorry to those who don't like talking about current events)
I saw a comment on UA-cam one time saying if the Vietnam vets had phones, they would've recorded multiple atrocities, just like the IDF in Israel. While I don't completely agree with that, there likely would've been a few people who would've done so. I personally think that person's hate should be directed at people in power, insead of those fighing in war.
Absolutely. In the case that any drafted service member turns out to be a war-crime committing monster, it isn't exactly the fault of the soldier for being in the situation he was placed in. Not to say that the boots on the ground have no accountability, but when the folks in charge make it that way, the buck has to stop somewhere.
That is what war protesters did. My god, do you not understand that a huge number of protesters were vets themselves?
To many of my friends that served in Vietnam have told me that their homecoming was VERY UNFRIENDLY!
Cuz they LOST we know
@R3LAX94 , you think we lost there? I beg to differ. The press and the political people lost but the fighting man on the ground did his job. Read the history about Vietnam and then rethink what you said!
My grandfather served in Vietnam from 1966 to 1971 in the Navy. He and my grandmother just told me the other day that in fact, they were spat at on multiple occasions when my grandfather would be in uniform in Seattle and San Diego. My grandmother also told me that no one wanted to hire any of the wives of servicemen either! This was on the west coast however, I bet other parts of the country were different.
@@dingerdaber34 the west coast is already had a diamond stick up the rear
My uncle served in Vietnam from 1964 to 1971. You could say he practically lived there. Before he died, he recalled some of his service in Vietnam, along with his homecoming. Because the public knew somewhat about MACV, my uncle had been advised to not wear his uniform when getting off the plane, as he wore MACV identification patches and such on his uniform. To put it lightly, he really didn’t get a good home coming. He recalled having a bag of rotting food thrown at him, along with him being struck by a literal crutch. I felt bad for him when I was younger, he never was vocal about most of his time in Vietnam. I’m glad he recorded his service in his diaries and also told me before he passed away. He truly was my mentor and the person I always looked up to, no matter the flaws. He was very kind, quiet, and loved the country that he left behind after the U.S. Army left Vietnam.
His mistreatment was surely a result of the plane being primarily full of MACV associated men. Seeing as the war became unpopular, and MACV became known for their horrendous ways, they definitely would have been mistreated. My other uncle, he was supposedly lucky. He was a Marine photographer who never got sent to Vietnam. He got sent to Okinawa, but never got sent into combat. He got the lighter treatment, people yelling at him. The myth that people mistreated veterans is sort of true depending on the unit. If it was associated with the atrocities, they got attacked. And most people could figure out what unit was returning on that particular flight.
“There’s no conclusive evidence of this ever happening”
**proceeds to immediately walk back statement in pinned comment**
Real great writing. Maybe have someone outside of high school vet your scripts next time. Then you don’t have to try and convince your audience they just “misinterpreted” what you said.
The Vietnam vets set up an airport when we came home from Iraq and with tears in their eyes, they said “we’re not gonna make you guys go through what we went through when we got home” so yeah, I believe it. Also the fact that I’ve talked to Vietnam vets at VFW’s And pretty much all of them corroborate this.
"I talked to all the reactionary sad sacks who hang out at the VFW and it turns out every single one of them got spit on! Also all their wives left them because they're bitches and for no other reason!"
ok
I believe there was a general feeling of unwelcomeness and disassociation. Imagine you just escaped back from hell and no one bats an eye or seems to care about the what, how or why, you’d be pretty lost as well. Many felt out of place and a feeling of not belonging, came “home” to a different world.
Let's say 2.5 million veterans returned from Vietnam, and 0.1% of them got spit on. That's still 25 thousand people. Then let's say these 25 thousand veterans who were spit on currently have 75 thousand children/grandchildren, and we can infer that all of them are in this comment section.
🤓 0.1% of 2.5 millions is 2500 though. So 7500 in these comments? That checks
@@yveslafrance2806 There are waaaaaaay more than 7500 people who'll claim that grandpa got spit on. More than 7500 vets will tell you it happened. In fact every remotely right-wing vet will tell you they got spit on. Weird that. I guess the roving mobs of spitters knew to avoid the liberals somehow.
Yeah lets just throw out all the first hand accounts by veterans of it happening and say theres "no evidence"
Wasn't the goal of the protests to bring them home
yea, which is why it doesnt make any sense to say it was common for vietnam vets to receive abuse like this, and then blame it on the anti war activists.
Not all protests were for the same reason.
Its kinda like how the serbians want kosovo in serbia so bad despite hating them
“No V day hero’s”
They didn’t get the red carpet rolled out like they did after ww2 so they felt hard done by
My grandfather was a pilot in vietnam. He said that he heard that others were spit on but he was never personally, but that he was called a baby killer. That’s if I’m remembering correctly, been a few years since I talked to him about it.
Tell him thank you for his service.
Did he bomb Laos?
Weird that all 3 of my father and his brothers experienced what “less than 1%” experienced. I guess they’re personal experiences were “myths” to a guy on the internet.
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence
I'm sure a lot of the ones that were treated badly aren't with us anymore
I'm sorry. I'm going to believe my dad who told me that the response he got after coming home from Vietnam was very different from his brother's homecoming after WWII and his coming home after Korea.
You should believe your dad. It'd be disturbing if you didn't believe your dad.
@oxglen7090 Did your Dad tell you he was literally, physically spat upon? That's the only claim Mr. Beat is challenging here. The general public not receiving Vietnam veterans with the same rapturous adulation that they did with previous generations of war vets and maybe giving them the cold shoulder is a far different matter.
Other then the testimony of hundreds of returning vets what sort of evidence would you expect?
Hippies, Jody's, therapist who put lies into vets mouths to make anti-war protesters the good guys.
I have had several members of my family serve in Vietnam, although none of them were treated like this that I’m aware of.
I just listened to the veterans who told me about their homecoming.
"What Was It Like Returning Home From the Vietnam War? - Oral Histories from NJ Vietnam Veterans"
I mean there are tons of videos on this site alone. Like did this clown do any actual research? Did he even attempt to talk to some local Nam vets?
Your talking about a event many Americans have tried to forget,too much time has passed for the younger generations to understand
My dad is a Vietnam Vet and he was welcomed home with arms open wide
I was in the navy and visited Korea. The koreans called me baby killers, warmongers, and got spit at. Never visiting Korea again. It was 2019 and made me so angry.
maybe it would be worth your time to find out why they had that reaction instead of waving away an entire country?
It's not your fault, but the government's. You were bearing the shame on behalf of the politicians who told you to go to war. Though, from the koreans' perspective, you were one part of a world superpower who brought them death & destruction, which is also true.
@@ThePoodle my ship pold in during a fleet week. We were the only ones not allowed to join everyone else. We had protesters rush the shup. Got treated bad. The last day knowone got to leave the pier since protesters blocked the entrance. Real shitty few days. I'd rather go back to Australia, Japan, Singapore were I was treated nicely. Nothing against the Koreans but first impressions and all that.
@@nuklearboysymbiote didn't go to war but meh probably some bias against the government that didn't help
@@TheBlueNecromancer i see. Though to that: you could say it's ”bias against the government” which prompted civilians' response, or you could say ”the government was engaging in pointless warfare to start with”, which was why it became unpopular among civilians. All depends on framing!
This video has inspired me to disregard primary sources whenever it’s convenient for me.
I had a High School teacher who was a Vietnam Vet. He said very few of his friends came home to angry people shouting at them. Most like came home to a small gathering, or like in his case, he came home to no gathering to welcome them home.
Unlike Veterans who came home from the war on terror who had family and friends.
I just returned to this channel, and I'll tell you this: I'm glad that this was a rare occurrence!
Thanks for the information!
So let’s completely ignore 100’s (maybe more) of men who experienced abhorrent treatment and many even told/warned by their commands before returning to what they thought was home simply because they didn’t report it to law enforcement? Got it, you’re next level.
Lmfao dude he never said to ignore it. You’re taking what he said wayyyy out of context.
@@jasonvorhees7853 absolutely not
As a war protester I can tell you that we stood up for soldiers fighting in useless, counter-productive wars. That myth always bothered me. No one I knew would do such a thing.
My grandpa helped organize college protests as a professor but many of his friends fought in the war they always treated the soldiers well they just protested the government
Nope. I heard it in church, at school and in conservative editorials all the time white war was ongoing.
I never knew or saw anyone it happened to.
So, you could be right.
Vietnam Vet- " i got spit on and called baby killer"
Mr.beat -"cap"
Lol
My dad was a Vietnam vet. Multiple tours. He told me that he was spit on once. Thats conclusive enough for me. For this reason when i meet a Vietnam vet i say welcome home. To date three of those vets teared up and thanked me, the rest show great appreciation. Enough evidence for me.
Did you watch the video? He said there might have been spitting incidents but there’s no documented cases of it happening. Pointing to this situation not being nearly as wide spread as some would think, hence no documented cases, and thus, creating a myth. This type of myth is unhealthy because it paints a false dilemma between war heroes and anti-war protesters. When in really, there were anti-war protesters who were also war heroes. I think that’s what Mr. Bear is trying to illustrate here. And yes, we should always honor our vets.
@freedomfilms974 I did watch the video. I understand what you're saying. After talking to the three vets mentioned that teared up, they too said they were mistreated upon return. Just because there are no documented cases does not constitute a myth, IMO. If I have heard these experiences from at least 4 vets, it leads me to believe it was more widespread than he states. Also, just about every combat vet I've spoken to does not consider themself a hero. I've been told countless times by them that the heroes never came home, and most have a sense of guilt that they did and their buddies didn't. My dad included. Observe memorial day in their memory this weekend. I will be.
@@timhughes562 Fair enough. Nobody should be mistreating vets.
These people in the comment section are very dense.
The claim was "MANY people were spit on", he's not saying that it never happened. A handful of personal accounts wouldn't conclude that it was a common occurrence. It probably did happen to a bunch of people, but not often enough among the thousands of veterans to where it was should be considered "widespread" at the majority of protests.
While I do agree that handful of personal accounts doesn't make up the idea that the mistreatment of returning soilders was widespread, I don't really consider people who are commenting their own personal experience or those who had such experience as "dense"
Bullshit. The way he’s expressing himself, he might as well be. People like him try to rewrite history. I’ll take the firsthand accounts of the guys I knew growing up who were parents of my friends that I used to play with a thousand times over this know-it-all. They were actually there. He was not. It’s bad enough they had to go through that without somebody trying to claim they were lying and saying that it really wasn’t that bad for them that it didn’t really happen a lot., It did. Something doesn’t enter the nations consciousness to that degree without a lot of truth being behind it.
It's obviously more than just a few people
@@Hun_Uinaq lol lmao sure
Gaslighting
The worst of a peace movement being used to further the cause of war. This happens a depressing amount.
True
My uncle encountered it in San Francisco when returned home. He was hit with loaded baby diapers.
Not a myth. At all.
Was his mouth open?
Sad to hear that the rumors of murderers being accosted for being murderers are actually unfounded
"it didn't happen to everybody so i don't teach this anymore" is a wild take to have about this.
My dad and myself have been called baby killers.
My dads case was he came back from vietnam and his gf at the time hadnt sent letters and turned out she basically left him for dead for a anti-war protester who convinced her my dad was murdering babies. She told him to leave and rot in hell for murdering children. The VFW told him to fuck off becase "ViEtNaM iSnT a rEeL wAr fElLa!" His dad sold his rare motorcycle for a honda star because "A nice salesmen saw his bike and did a 2-1 deal!" reality was Gramps just wanted 2 crap motorcycles.
Anti-war protesters would lie about "not spitting on vets" when I seen shit including people tell Iraq war vets "Oh your friends died in an IED explosion? maybe you shouldnt be murdering brown people for Imperialst America!"
My own experiance was funnier.
My ship (former coast guard vessel) was at an event and anti-war protestors yelled "BABY KILLERS!" at us. Comedically the person protesting was so misinformed she thought all ships were military vessels and nuclear powered.
fanfic
cry about it
@@christopherbrice5473lol keep coping mate
Based anti-war, stealing the girl and riding I the sunset after buying your daddy's bike
shouldn't have been murdering brown people for an imperialist venture, you stupid fucker
I am an Iraq vet, at my home coming no protesters were there, but I did have a protester spit on me and say some fucked up shit to me in a restaurant about 2 months after I got back.
That's messed up. I'm sorry you experienced that. Thank you for your service.
How many children did u kill in Iraq?
@@beryaniseokjin1944 you are who he is talking about.
this is incredibly rude, and chances are he did not harm innocent people in Iraq. The problem lies with authorities who did not discipline the troops who did.
isolated incident - its terrible but isolated
@@sterlingmarshel6299 Yes Isolated, I am sorry if people thought otherwise. I meant it as it does happen, and soldiers don't talk about it. I chalk it up to I fight for the right for others to have options.
These comments show that truly nobody is immune to propaganda.
People also aren't immune to creating clickbait content to stir up viewership for their channel, whether they genuinely believe this or not. That is the only motive I can think of for Mr. Beat's revisionist talking points.
@@CheezeN7 You fell for it.
@@CheezeN7he provides sources
@@gavinrolls1054What sources did he provide disputing first hand accounts from troops? Because he provided absolutely 0 lmfao. Gtfo here.
You lick up propaganda from his channel don't you?
My brother in law was a juvenile delinquent who was given a choice of either prison or entering the army at 16. He went into the service the next day and was sent to Vietnam immediately after boot camp. He came out after his first tour and was treated so badly by his peers that he went back in and did three more tours. He ended up with two bronze stars and a couple of Purple Hearts, and limited options after the war and STILL was ostracized afterwards.
Thank you. I protested against the war. Everyone I knew was against the war. None of us would have spat on a returning veteran, or called them baby killers. Most of us could easily have been one of those veterans.
Why would you post something this specific? My uncle arrived in SFO in uniform after a tour and described this exact incident that you are denying ever happened.
it's because he doesnt want us to belt a hippie
he didn't say it didn't happen. he said it wasn't as widespread as believed
Many Vietnam vets, including my grandfather, were spit on by people when he returned to the States. It's sad that people believe you versus veterans and it's shameful that people still refuse to give Vietnam War veterans the respect that they deserve.
My grandfather literally went through this. Especially being spat on. It's not a myth.
he says it's a myth that it was super widespread
@@gavinrolls1054"There is no conclusive evidence of this happening"
-This video
I got 2 explanations:
Perhaps the “we were spat on” thing is also used figuratively, and it’s just the phrase that caught on among Vietnam veterans describing general disrespect.
Also I can’t imagine that someone spitting on someone else is too historically preservable, leaving only unprovable stories from veterans.
I think the more common problem that many soldiers had coming home was that nobody could understand what they’d gone through. No matter what support others offered, they could never comprehend the horrors of Vietnam
I just learned another lie told by my history teacher
No. You just relied on some guy on the internet on a short, and you lack the ability to actually, gee....talk to actual Nam vets?
Nah! Just listen to this guy....born in 1999.
@@xandercruz900 1981 actually. And he’s got sources and further reading in the description.
@@killermetalwolf2843 He doesnt have "sources".
What is a source on this? Some guy that says "well I've never heard anyone say this to me"?
As you can read, there are plenty of people telling stories about how this was true, wit the OP even walking back his absurd thesis as a result.
@@xandercruz900 look at the damn description dumbass, hes got 6 sources. and if that doesnt satisfy you, there's a wikipedia page about this myth with 51 sources.
@@xandercruz900 Walked back? Dude, did you even watch the short?
No proof that it didn’t happen does not automatically dispute the claims of the veterans who loved and suffered through all the bullshit in their lives
“It didn’t happen! Okay it did happen… but it wasn’t widespread… okay it happened a lot but it specifically was presented as more common than it was in reality” breadtubers are wild bro
Calling a history youtuber a breadtuber is crazy lol. Stop believing easily disprovable myths.
@@stets1183 What myths? What are you talking about?
@@TRIIGGAVELLI veterans getting spit on. the topic of the video. please try using your brain.
There’s an old saying I know from a few Vietnam Vets: When you ask somebody about the time in the military, many will bring up what they did overseas, and often crack a joke at someone’s expense. But if they just talk about how they were treated horribly after they got home, and this was all? Then they most likely didn’t fight
My favorite story along this line was the guy who wrote the book "Platoon Leader". He lost an arm in Viet Nam, and of course left the military. A year or so later he's on a college campus, and a guy asks him politely if he lost his arm in Viet Nam. He says "yes" and the guy responded with "Serves you right!"
People remember the outrageous incidents and forget the mundane experiences. That being said, it *absolutely* did happen, at least on occasion.
Have to disagree with you on this, my grandpa who served in vietnam as a helicopter repairman told me first hand that these events happened
Your grandpa lies to you.
You're a loser lol. Keep coping in comments mass spamming ur hate@@the_exegete
@@the_exegete he has no reason to. He didn’t want to be there he was drafted.
@@Wockytoky That was then. He's lying now. He's probably told the lie enough times that he's convinced himself it's true. But it's just not.
If it is, where are the contemporary sources talking about it? Why did not a single person so much as mention this happening until 15 years after, when suddenly every right-wing vet remembered it happening to them?
@@the_exegete I am unsure why you, a person who was presumably born before the 1970s could assume with such authority that someone who lived through it was lying. I think you should humble yourself and stop believing everything you read on the internet.
What a load of crap. My dad was stationed in Germany, volunteered for Vietnam. He came back to United States, and was called a baby killer, and he never seen combat. they were also told not to wear their uniforms.
so sorry to hear he came back
Was it used for propaganda to play with our empathy in order to somewhat support the war then?
It was propaganda to get us to support later wars (especially the Gulf War and the Iraq War)
What. You assume the government which can't fund education, fix pot holes or put masking tape vertical instead of horizontal managed to somehow plan that propaganda? Where's the proof of that? Who gains from lying about it? A long form video with proof gets a watch from me.
Propaganda for war support? No. Those soldiers were drafted, 90% of them didn't have a choice...you can protest the war while still supporting the human beings forced to fight in it.
Even today, without a draft, 90% of those men are in the military because they have few other options to further their development...they don't get a vote on whether they go watch their buddies die.
Despise war, but support the troops.
Huh. Deleted replies. That totally not shady.
@@iammrbeat so thousands of veterans made up this story to justify wars decades later? what?
I've spoken to many Vietnam War veterans, and none of them said they ever got spit on by civilians. At the most, they might have gotten dirty looks, but for the most part, they were either treated with indifference or given the silent treatment. Not to say it didn’t happen, but it wasn’t the norm.
I know a guy who's Vietnam Vet. The one thing I remember him saying about it was: "They called me every name in the book." My Uncle Served in Vietnam as well, as a member of the Air Force, but I never did get the chance to hear any of his stories. He passed away last year.