If you will get some thin teflon sheeting from Kitfox I cut strips , lay it down and iron on top of the teflon and it will look good and keep your iron clean
I’ll tell you Bryan, covering really spooks me. I’m so anal about things to look perfect. I applaud you for tackling the project, hope to learn from you on the process. I am interested in why picking the poly system over the others. Haven’t decided which system to use.
Poly Fiber chose me, it came with the kit. It is also the industry standard. I have some experience with it when I made the wing extensions on my model 5. Oratex was the only other consideration.
G'day from Australia Thanks for the videos of your build. I'm not here to undermine your project by any means I really want the best fabric job possible for your build. I have used poly fibre covering before as well as Randolph/ceconite covering as systems on multiple fabric jobs before (I do this kind of thing for a living). I want to say most of what I can see your doing is fantastic work. I am concerned though at the lack of rib stitching on the rudder and elevators. In my experience I have been taught that unsecured fabric will vibrate against the ribs and wear far quicker than secured stiched ribs. I always use the stitching or metal clips to secure the fabric. Also remember more is not necessarily better when it comes to brushing the poly brush. 1 coat is usually enough to encapsulate the fabric, depending on how thin the mix is, although 2 thinned coats also works well (just don't let it drip through) Also the bleed through/drip areas of the poly brush will most certainly show up when the subsequent coats of poly fibre are applied ( ie show up when the gloss top coat is applied, these cannot be rubbed out later!) Looking forward to seeing the rest of the build, it looks to be of the highest quality so far. Keep up the great work.
I contemplated sticking the rudder and elevator although it is not called for, but ultimately I referred to my experience with my Kitfox model 5. It has been flying for 13 years without the sticking on the tail surfaces with no adverse effects. Furthermore, part of the benefit of using the poly fiber system is that it can be repaired and the paint match easily when using the poly tone, which I am. Thank you for the comments and feedback.
Brian ... which did you like better ... the full wrap of fabric or the 1/2 wrap ? Also I'm considering Oratex ... I know it's more expensive but it is faster and doesn't require UV or painting ... any thoughts on the two covering systems ?
The full wrap was quicker but a little more difficult to get the wrinkles out. Oratex would save you months and I think that and not having to build a paint booth is the biggest pro. The final look of the poly fiber will be much cleaner than the Oratex and you can have any color you want with multiple colors if you like. Oratex one color per surface, unless you want to paint it, then what would be the point.
Two years ago at Oshkosh, I attended a workshop for cloth covering wings. We sewed the material down at the ribs as part of the class. Will you be doing any sewing to keep the cloth from flapping? We also used a blue colored glue, that was water based and had no smell at all. Is there a reason you are using the glue that you are using? Cheers from Winnipeg
The wings are stitched, Kitfox does not call for or believes the tail surfaces need to be stitched. I am using the Poly Fiber system because it is what is included in the kit. There are alternative covering systems but I am using the same system as the factory.
@@BowenAero I will be getting my Kitfox delivered Jan 2021, and very tempted to wrap it in aluminium for a mould ready to carbon fibre it like Mike Patey. I wish, ha ha . Great video and will definitely be using your techniques thank you Bryan
@@BowenAero You hope. Yes, it will probably hold up, at least for a while . Why take the chance? To save a few hours work? The tail sees a lot of high speed slipstream airflow and a ton buffeting. It also sees a higher wing loading than the main wing. And you have virtually no glue area on those skinny ribs, unlike the wing ribs. Do yourself a favor and stitch it.
PDZ1122 Like I said, I have been flying my model 5 for 13 years with out a single issue with the tail not being stitched. It’s not about the few hours work, for me I don’t want the stitches in the tail. It is not recommended or required by Kitfox and they don’t stitch their factory LSA models.
Great stuff! Hey, lotsa love, but some of those FF were too fast 'n' furious 'n' far away to really get a sense of application -- that might have been intentional so fabric gurus don't bust your chops about this or that, hehe. Just amazed by your organization and work ethic. Many thanks.
Kind of looks like doing a Monokote job on an rc plane as far as ironing the covering goes. Great job. If you have not followed Plane Savers here is a little segment in the video doing some taping . ua-cam.com/video/PzE9BD_KwX0/v-deo.html
Whah cool your videos are always better . Awesome
Your videos just keep getting better and better. Great work.
Not even a PG&E blackout can stop Bryan once he's underway 😂 🤣
If you will get some thin teflon sheeting from Kitfox I cut strips , lay it down and iron on top of the teflon and it will look good and keep your iron clean
Thanks for taking the time to making these videos to entertain us.
I’ll tell you Bryan, covering really spooks me. I’m so anal about things to look perfect. I applaud you for tackling the project, hope to learn from you on the process. I am interested in why picking the poly system over the others. Haven’t decided which system to use.
Poly Fiber chose me, it came with the kit. It is also the industry standard. I have some experience with it when I made the wing extensions on my model 5. Oratex was the only other consideration.
When it warms up I'll be doing the same - Great job Bryan!! :)
Bryan, it looks like you forgot to coat the whole rudder surface with PolyBrush before you applied the tapes, per the instructions in the manual.
I have done some covering on fabric covering. My question is, don't you need to sow or stitch the rib's before taping? great videos.
I wonder if a 2" foam roller may be better than a brush.
Man! That looks like enough coating and paint for three planes and a hanger! Just kidding. Definitely well planned out. Keep up the good work!
Your doing a good job. Keep it up.
No adjustable trim tab built into the rudder? Now is the time to do it!
The entire horizontal stabilizer moves up and down for trim, like on a Cessna 180, no need for tabs.
Great video! Humor too!
G'day from Australia
Thanks for the videos of your build. I'm not here to undermine your project by any means
I really want the best fabric job possible for your build. I have used poly fibre covering before as well as Randolph/ceconite covering as systems on multiple fabric jobs before (I do this kind of thing for a living). I want to say most of what I can see your doing is fantastic work.
I am concerned though at the lack of rib stitching on the rudder and elevators. In my experience I have been taught that unsecured fabric will vibrate against the ribs and wear far quicker than secured stiched ribs. I always use the stitching or metal clips to secure the fabric. Also remember more is not necessarily better when it comes to brushing the poly brush. 1 coat is usually enough to encapsulate the fabric, depending on how thin the mix is, although 2 thinned coats also works well (just don't let it drip through)
Also the bleed through/drip areas of the poly brush will most certainly show up when the subsequent coats of poly fibre are applied ( ie show up when the gloss top coat is applied, these cannot be rubbed out later!)
Looking forward to seeing the rest of the build, it looks to be of the highest quality so far. Keep up the great work.
I contemplated sticking the rudder and elevator although it is not called for, but ultimately I referred to my experience with my Kitfox model 5. It has been flying for 13 years without the sticking on the tail surfaces with no adverse effects. Furthermore, part of the benefit of using the poly fiber system is that it can be repaired and the paint match easily when using the poly tone, which I am. Thank you for the comments and feedback.
yayy i've been waiting for the next video!
Great Video again
Good stuff, buddy.
Brian ... which did you like better ... the full wrap of fabric or the 1/2 wrap ? Also I'm considering Oratex ... I know it's more expensive but it is faster and doesn't require UV or painting ... any thoughts on the two covering systems ?
The full wrap was quicker but a little more difficult to get the wrinkles out. Oratex would save you months and I think that and not having to build a paint booth is the biggest pro. The final look of the poly fiber will be much cleaner than the Oratex and you can have any color you want with multiple colors if you like. Oratex one color per surface, unless you want to paint it, then what would be the point.
Two years ago at Oshkosh, I attended a workshop for cloth covering wings. We sewed the material down at the ribs as part of the class. Will you be doing any sewing to keep the cloth from flapping? We also used a blue colored glue, that was water based and had no smell at all. Is there a reason you are using the glue that you are using? Cheers from Winnipeg
The wings are stitched, Kitfox does not call for or believes the tail surfaces need to be stitched. I am using the Poly Fiber system because it is what is included in the kit. There are alternative covering systems but I am using the same system as the factory.
Can you spray the poly brush ?
Yes after you brush it on it recommends two coats sprayed, but brushing the first coats is necessary.
why did you choose that covering system?
It is the system that Kitfox provides with the kit and what they recommend.
@@BowenAero I will be getting my Kitfox delivered Jan 2021, and very tempted to wrap it in aluminium for a mould ready to carbon fibre it like Mike Patey. I wish, ha ha . Great video and will definitely be using your techniques thank you Bryan
@@BowenAero think id use water base system get away from all those fumes
m kramer certainly an option.
Is there No rib stitching on the rudder?
Not needed
@@BowenAero You hope. Yes, it will probably hold up, at least for a while . Why take the chance? To save a few hours work? The tail sees a lot of high speed slipstream airflow and a ton buffeting. It also sees a higher wing loading than the main wing. And you have virtually no glue area on those skinny ribs, unlike the wing ribs. Do yourself a favor and stitch it.
PDZ1122 Like I said, I have been flying my model 5 for 13 years with out a single issue with the tail not being stitched. It’s not about the few hours work, for me I don’t want the stitches in the tail. It is not recommended or required by Kitfox and they don’t stitch their factory LSA models.
Great stuff! Hey, lotsa love, but some of those FF were too fast 'n' furious 'n' far away to really get a sense of application -- that might have been intentional so fabric gurus don't bust your chops about this or that, hehe. Just amazed by your organization and work ethic. Many thanks.
Kind of looks like doing a Monokote job on an rc plane as far as ironing the covering goes. Great job.
If you have not followed Plane Savers here is a little segment in the video doing some taping .
ua-cam.com/video/PzE9BD_KwX0/v-deo.html
A lot like the monokote RC covering.