Not quite sure about that one. Becoming a Sith Apprentice doesn't mean that the they directly kill their previous identity, Vaders killing of Skywalker was more so dissociative personality disorder as he mentally split the two of them and denied the truth to try and separate himself from the pain.
@@kenjitheshiba5935 Yes after he was disfigured, put into the suit, and found out he "killed" Padme. Even in the Vader Comics we see him post suit trying to suppress any and all traces of Anakin Skywalker left within himself and embrace what he had become in order to escape the haunting memories. Emersing yourself in the darkside provides you with a manner of coping with the fear and pain by turning it into rage which further fuels you and strengthens your resolve.
All Jedi possess dark side tendencies. They mostly refer to their light side and dark side identities as completely separate entities, the best way to understand this is that two versions of themselves are in a constant battle for control of the body. Dissociative personality disorder is exactly what would be their diagnosis in our world, I completely agree!
@@jaylad5893 They don't refer to them as a separate identity the dark tendencies they have are just the dark tendencies they all have to combat like selfishness or greed. They realize that they have these feelings deep down but they suppress them for the greater good. It's not a separate entity it's them holding themselves back from falling into these trappings. We have seen numerous Jedi fall to the darkside throughout media and every time they retain their original identity Even with the Sith they may rename themselves when christened but by all means Darth Tyranus doesnt consider Cound Dooku of Sereno to be a separate being and Darth Maul just became Maul when he no longer considered himself sith because that was the name given to him. Sidious never once considered himself different from being Sheev Palpatine. Sith changed went by the title Darth "chosen name" because it was a tradition, Inquisitors kept their original names but were just called by their designations, Jedi who fell all kept their original names and identities just like how Quinlan Voss when he fell to the darkside was completely himself in identity, personality, and goals. Vader's admient treatment of Anakin Skywalker as a separate person was unique to Vader.
@@everythingdibs344 well I can agree with that, the reason I said it's not a bad film is because if you have no knowledge of Star Wars, then it's enjoyable. But if you've actually watched the other movies and know how star wars works, you can then see the terrible writing.
@@thekingofthefat6424 I actually enjoyed it much more than The Last Jedi. However, it felt disjointed here and there, should've had a few more movies between VIII and IX. The Sequel Trilogy felt like if the MCU only have Iron Man, then Iron Man 2, then jump to Endgame. Only expanded lore can save it, like how the Prequel was saved. Just wished it wasn't Palpatine returning as the main villain (but I wish it was better explained), Final Order felt like clones coming out of nowhere in AOTC (but I still enjoyed AOTC more than TPM), and disappointed in how the Knights of Ren got Boba Fetted.
I agree with you Theory, it’s an enjoyable comic and this was a cool fight but I also don’t really like them changing things that have already been established. The older Vader comics just hit differently than these ones do
I know, especially the one where Vader is ordered to kill Tarkins family and beings suffering hallucinations of Padme. The moment he broke and admitted he killed her, their child(he didn't know they were twins) and he hates himself for it. Really hits in the feels. the disney Vader comics are great but I do prefer legends more. Especially the one where he faces 7 jedi and Palpatine developed a myth that he killed 100s of them to make the whole galaxy further fear him.
Vader had no clue that Obi-Wan would become a force ghost or that it was even possible. Based on Vader's knowledge, he could only assume that Obi-Wan was indirectly referring to Luke becoming more powerful.
Yo that droid voice is legit! Sounded like a tactical droid from clone wars. Can I get a "It's trap, you fools" lol they moment from s7 with Anakin is so funny.
Vader is definitely way more understanding than any sith. All the sith would kill you if you backstabbed him and Vader just sees it as an extra challenge
The comics have been trying a lot recently to tie in Ochi, Snoke, The Sith Eternal, and Exegol to the Original Trilogy despite it causing numerous contradictions. Hell we have literally seen Luke Severed hand on Exegol next to Snoke Clones with Palpatine hinting that snoke shares DNA with Luke meaning he's just a canon version of Luuke mixed in with Jorus C'baoth
@@lennylalamba5366 Not really when they are forcing in retcons and contradictions into the original trilogy to try and connect it with Rise of Skywalker despite it only creating more questions than answers. Especially when the entire plot of the movie is basically a watered-down rip off of Dark Empire a book made in the 90s. Oh no looks like Palpatine came back to life via essence transfer into a clone body on a remote planet where he kept his experiments/projects and now plans to take over the body of a younger force user. They just replaced Byss with Exegol, copied Palpatine's return but made it far less intimidating/explained then DE's version, Replaced him trying to possess the unborn Anakin Solo in Leia's womb with Rey, and overall made a worse version of DE.
@@AbsurdFalcon Wow I didn't even know that DE was a thing. That sounds actualy fucking epic. How they fucked up so bad with such a great premise is beyond me.
5:39 this is actuslly to my knowledge the fourth time this has happened in canon. 1. Cylo shut off vaders suit with a special fails safe he had in place since he designed the thing 2. Rurr the insane Jedi AI tried could also control machines but vader had learned better and hardwired his suit against hacking at least wirelessly. Which makes IG88 being able to do it strange but he iiiss damaged 3 aphra is able to directly hack into vaders voice box but only after he’s drugged and sustained a hell of a bunch of damage from other stuff.
With Rurr it made sense he had upgraded his armor and taken precautions to prevent another Cylo incident. In this instance, IG-88 had a direct schematic of Vader's most up to date armor. So unlike Rurr trying to force his way through, IG-88 just had to input a password and he was in.
2:00 I don't think they're changing the meaning of Obi-Wan's statement 'I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine'. The audience knows what he meant because we've seen that he has transcended and become a Force Ghost. Vader hasn't seen that and possibly doesn't even know it's a thing that can happen, so he incorrectly infers that Obi-Wan was referring to Luke. This doesn't mean they're changing the meaning of the statement, Vader just doesn't understand it.
Or, in a roundabout way, Vader is correct. As a Force Ghost, it's now exceedingly easy for Obi-Wan to meet and teach/give advice to Luke, wherever he goes or whatever situation he's in.
Bro Tech gonna try to hack Vader's Suit but then Vader is just gonna use force to make the tablet explode and say something like "You're simple gadgets have no chance against the power of the force."
Dr Cylo, at the end of the Shu Torun War also "froze" Vader's armor with the same trick. Did they forget it already in Disney/Marvel/Lucasfilms or whoever wrote this stupid scene? This story started almost a year ago teasing again Vader finding or trying to resurrect Padme and we were all so hyped. Like we were during the Vader's Castle story where he actually did find Padme in the "otherworld". But now it is one disappointment after another.
I don't think Vader's Interpretation of Obi-Wan's words is meant to be "correct". The Sith have a very narrow view of power. Obi-Wan was referring to his ability to transcend, but Vader is too blinded by his Sith philosophy. He can't comprehend that as being a form of "power". To a Sith, power means the ability to hurt others.
That's possible, however there wasn't any indication of that in the comic. The writer can't possibly expect everyone to pick up on that if they don't make it clear (assuming that's what they intended).
@@dakotatrue12 That’s obviously what he meant. Do you really think Obi-Wan meant Luke? He still is a force ghost in canon. It wouldn’t make sense if Vader knew about force ghosts. It shouldn’t have to be spelled out for you, it fits with his character and the real meaning is extremely well defined.
Either way, Vader doesn't necessarily need to know exactly what Obi-Wan meant. Vader knows that Luke is his son and that Luke's power in the Force is therefore enormous. From that, he can deduce that Obi-Wan's sacrifice has something to do with guidance/training for Luke.
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I'm glad you tell us these stories. Since I don't think they are worth my money. These Marvel Star Wars comics aren't even close to be on par with Dark Horse Star Wars comics.
"He will join us or die, Master" "Don't make me destroy you" "If you will not fight, then you will meet your destiny." Vader ideally wants for Luke to join him and overthrow the Emperor, *BUT* if that can't be achieved then Luke is a threat that needs to be removed. Vader clearly doesn't wish that, but he will do what must be done. It's the whole reason why he slinks back to Palpatine's side while he is electrocuting Luke, before his change of heart. I think it is erroneous to just say that Greg Pak is "misunderstanding" or "mischaracterizing" Vader here.
Yeah I don’t think Vader actually wanted to but he was probably wrestling with the idea I mean he’s spent a long time as Vader. He definitely isn’t like 100% sure how he’s going to play things out. Man who remembers how scary ig-88 was in shadows of the empire as a little kid? They should have had Vader fight him on a junkyard in ord mantell!
So Vader being conflicted is considered breaking the lore? He was torn between serving Palpatine and wanting to kill the good in Luke by making him evil. Hell him putting he pieces in place with Obi Wan makes sense as he said in ROTJ in regards to Leia also applies to Luke as well. I don’t know why Vader has to act like a caveman in terms of keeping the lore right but it makes more sense that you wanting Younglings butchered on screen.
@@armaniwebb4467 He was kinda doing both since at one hand he wanted Sidious dead while still having to serve under him to avoid getting killed but he still wanted Luke to be evil like him and rule the Empire together.
@@achaudhari101 sidious can't defeat Vader. Vader simply is pretending to join him again so that he can learn the power of exegol. I believe Vader simply wants to find luke again to ask him to join, sidious can read his mind so in his mind he is pretending he hates luke
Maybe what he meant by “Luke skywalker must die” is that he wants to destroy the light side version of Luke and turn him into a Sith and only go by a Darth whatever name kinda like how he killed anakin and became Darth Vader.
It was revealed in Lords of the Sith and several canon reference books that Vader's new limbs were wired together with a neural interface that connects through his spine. Along with a lot of his life support systems, Vader's 'cybernetics are intricately linked with his body and designed to work a single unit.
I don’t think they’re changing anything. I think Vader just didn’t know. Also, I think Vaders new feelings of hopelessness probably has him thinking emotionally (temporarily) that he has to kill his son.
I always thought Obi-Wan meant that he knew he had to sacrifice himself to 1) get Vader’s defenses down because he doesn’t think there’s any strong Jedi left and 2) inspire Luke to devote himself to his Jedi studies absolutely, which wouldn’t have happened if he weren’t emotionally crushed by Obi-Wan’s death.
The comic is really good... But I agree I don´t like them changing the story, Vader NEVER wanted to kill Luke, he wanted Luke to Join him in the Dark Side, kill the Emperor and rule the galaxy as Father and Son.
What do you mean they're incorporating "too much" from the sequel trilogy? Of course they are, it's there story. Did you think they weren't going to acknowledge it in their other works? Yeah it's not what Lucas envisioned, but he's not writing the stories anymore, they are. You can't expect them to not show it just because it's different from what was before.
Genaral Theory as I have said before I will always support you and give this a like because all of your work, But as you said it feels weird to hear Vader want to kill Luke so anything to do with sequel's or something like that..Not for me You Rock Brother
The closest thing to an internet meme in unuverse is that “all of darth vaders mechanical parts” song that got super popular and pissed the sith lord off so much be banished the band who made it to a hellish mining planet with very low life expectancy rates where they all died.
These new comics feel so wrong and dirty. They try to stuff so much in and end up breaking the lore. Kinda disappointing. I agree about the 2017 comics though. They were great
@@achaudhari101 I'm in slight agreement. Legends did the same. But there is one big difference. Legends was made mostly of a bunch of people not coordinating together and making their own stop, and that's why everything got so jumbled than messy. That was why in 1 comic Luke was preachy and the embodiment of 'no you're wrong and let me tell you why', and in another he's the most understanding man you've met. But this is Disney, so long as they work together and put together some common personality traits for characters and people should act, they would be able to keep continuity like no one else. They can make something better. But they know they don't have to. So they won't. That's the issue. The lack of effort.
I believe that the part where he took obi wans last words and interpreted them as involving Luke was more of Vader’s personal conclusion on the matter, than a statement of fact about the universe. vader wouldn’t have known about obi wan becoming a force ghost, I’m pretty sure obi wan only appeared to vader following their final duel in a legends comic Edit: I commented before listening to the next 10 seconds where you basically say what I just said, my bad 🤦🏻♂️
Dash rendar kills one, boba kills one, one hacks the death star and blows up with its destruction, and the other one wasnt explained if im not mistaken.
Hey theory, the comics are just an opinion of the author. From video watching now. Personal Note: I wish I could be a member. But American Social Security Income doesn’t pay lot. If there’s any left. It’s small. I believe the Food stamp program is being overwhelming/ overloaded with ppl. Because ppl in my country have lost their jobs. Because the company went out of business due to Covid-19.
Theory vids nowadays: George Lucas this Dave Filoni that. Honestly - yes they have defined what classic and modern Star Wars are but don't put them on auch a pedestal. They made mistakes, too, and Filoni is working with a large team of talented people. He might have a lot of influence on certain decisions but he doesn't come up with everything.
Used to love this channel but its kinda just a george lucas- dave filoni circlejerk these days. I mean I get that the new trilogy didn't do it for him but it kinda leaves him stuck in the past. Especially when all the new content is just supplemental to the first 2 trilogies... idk I feel like this channel (and star wars as a whole), is kinda running in a redundant loop. If that makes any sense. And he just seems to reject anything new at this point. Like even the high republic seemed to repulse theory.
@@erikbrenner5138 I agree, he seems to automatically hate anything connected with the sequels or trying to link with it, which doesn’t make sense to me. I’d prefer they add on to the new trilogy and give it more lore to help flesh them out like they did with the prequel trilogy and look how well that turned out for that era.
@@erikbrenner5138 And the High Republic is good too. A lot of the upcoming content sounds promising but he always has to find something to complain about.
For Vader's interpretation the whole strike you down comment, both can be true. Obi-wan became more powerful because he became an immortal ghost that could guide Luke who would eventually defeat Vader. So what the comic said was true...from a certain point of view.
I still think this series should have ended after the Amidala stuff wrapped up but I guess if people are on board for the War of the Bounty Hunters storyline they will keep reading. I will review the IG-88 one-shot
Changing anything about Vader’s suit is crazy. Vader’s suit being hacked is just as lame as time travel In Star Wars. Luke has to die? What? Also Vader is being made to look uncertain and have all these vulnerabilities but that goes against everything that he was in the first place. He was supposed to be kinda like Michael Myers, this unstoppable force of nature. Now he’s almost getting killed in every comic. They’re changing stuff little by little.
In the "Star Wars" comic, Luke has yet to formulate any plan or tought to "save his father". I am not as negative to 2020 series as you are but yes, the 2017 series was better.
It's so obvious that SW is in the hands of people that do not love, know and understand SW. So sad. It's in the hands of people hired *specifically* to treat it not as a piece of history at this point, but as a product through and through.
this isn't the same as the horrible into the fire arc, charles soule also worked on this one, and all of war of the bounty hunters have been pretty good so far
My opinion on the new Vader comics is that they offer some cool spectacle, but they only serve to harm the overall star wars lore. So it's even more Disney content that will not be going in my headcanon.
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When Vader said "Luke Skywalker must die", I think he meant that as in how Anakin Skywalker died where Luke must become a new Sith apprentice.
Not quite sure about that one. Becoming a Sith Apprentice doesn't mean that the they directly kill their previous identity, Vaders killing of Skywalker was more so dissociative personality disorder as he mentally split the two of them and denied the truth to try and separate himself from the pain.
@@AbsurdFalcon pretty sure vader said he destroyed anakin though?
@@kenjitheshiba5935 Yes after he was disfigured, put into the suit, and found out he "killed" Padme. Even in the Vader Comics we see him post suit trying to suppress any and all traces of Anakin Skywalker left within himself and embrace what he had become in order to escape the haunting memories. Emersing yourself in the darkside provides you with a manner of coping with the fear and pain by turning it into rage which further fuels you and strengthens your resolve.
All Jedi possess dark side tendencies. They mostly refer to their light side and dark side identities as completely separate entities, the best way to understand this is that two versions of themselves are in a constant battle for control of the body. Dissociative personality disorder is exactly what would be their diagnosis in our world, I completely agree!
@@jaylad5893 They don't refer to them as a separate identity the dark tendencies they have are just the dark tendencies they all have to combat like selfishness or greed. They realize that they have these feelings deep down but they suppress them for the greater good. It's not a separate entity it's them holding themselves back from falling into these trappings. We have seen numerous Jedi fall to the darkside throughout media and every time they retain their original identity
Even with the Sith they may rename themselves when christened but by all means Darth Tyranus doesnt consider Cound Dooku of Sereno to be a separate being and Darth Maul just became Maul when he no longer considered himself sith because that was the name given to him. Sidious never once considered himself different from being Sheev Palpatine.
Sith changed went by the title Darth "chosen name" because it was a tradition, Inquisitors kept their original names but were just called by their designations, Jedi who fell all kept their original names and identities just like how Quinlan Voss when he fell to the darkside was completely himself in identity, personality, and goals.
Vader's admient treatment of Anakin Skywalker as a separate person was unique to Vader.
Vader: Basically another Tuesday during the Clone Wars.
thoughts on rise of skywaker since I saw your video saying your thoughts on last jedi but using coffee as an analogy
@@thekingofthefat6424 It's not a bad film but it's a very, very, very bad star wars film. It ruins Anakin, just like TLJ ruined Luke.
@@dakotatrue12 it is a pretty bad film that just uses fan service and the wave finder as a lazy mcguffin and just has overall terrible writing
@@everythingdibs344 well I can agree with that, the reason I said it's not a bad film is because if you have no knowledge of Star Wars, then it's enjoyable. But if you've actually watched the other movies and know how star wars works, you can then see the terrible writing.
@@thekingofthefat6424 I actually enjoyed it much more than The Last Jedi. However, it felt disjointed here and there, should've had a few more movies between VIII and IX. The Sequel Trilogy felt like if the MCU only have Iron Man, then Iron Man 2, then jump to Endgame. Only expanded lore can save it, like how the Prequel was saved.
Just wished it wasn't Palpatine returning as the main villain (but I wish it was better explained), Final Order felt like clones coming out of nowhere in AOTC (but I still enjoyed AOTC more than TPM), and disappointed in how the Knights of Ren got Boba Fetted.
IG-88 in canon: visibly deadly.
IG-88 in games: visibly pathetic.
True, game devs shit on characters to try make others look better. It’s frustrating
What games was he in again?
I don’t know, I loved playing him in Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga
@@slappythelizard Right, we need an overpowered R2-D2 in every Star Wars game
@@timkenobi2222r2 literally made a mess out of those super battle droids in Revenge of the Sith, I love that scene so much and I need more
IG-88 “look at this controller you idiot, can’t beat me now Vader”
Vader *force yoink*
IG-88 “oh, I have made a mistake”
Lol
“Bounty Hunters. We don’t need their scum.”
You might eat those words 😅
I agree with you Theory, it’s an enjoyable comic and this was a cool fight but I also don’t really like them changing things that have already been established. The older Vader comics just hit differently than these ones do
Not quite.
These new comics are more made to try and force the sequels to stay canon
I know, especially the one where Vader is ordered to kill Tarkins family and beings suffering hallucinations of Padme.
The moment he broke and admitted he killed her, their child(he didn't know they were twins) and he hates himself for it. Really hits in the feels.
the disney Vader comics are great but I do prefer legends more. Especially the one where he faces 7 jedi and Palpatine developed a myth that he killed 100s of them to make the whole galaxy further fear him.
@@medalgear654 vader purge is so good
@@barkley8285 It is my top favourite...now he just has inquisitors 😒.
Vader had no clue that Obi-Wan would become a force ghost or that it was even possible. Based on Vader's knowledge, he could only assume that Obi-Wan was indirectly referring to Luke becoming more powerful.
Exactly. Not that hard to understand.
Yo that droid voice is legit! Sounded like a tactical droid from clone wars. Can I get a "It's trap, you fools" lol they moment from s7 with Anakin is so funny.
IG-88: "Now I have full control over your suit."
Vader: *draws uno reverse card*
IG-88: *chuckles* "I'm in danger."
Vader is definitely way more understanding than any sith. All the sith would kill you if you backstabbed him and Vader just sees it as an extra challenge
"The emperor is not as forgiving as I am."
Buff hutt isn’t real he can’t hurt you
3:15 buff hutt
XDDDD
Are we gonna just ignore the muscular hutt? xD
You know he has the best gym in the galaxy
Dude is absolutely JACKED
They're all jacked but with a covering of blubber.
That umbaran was sly moore, one of palpatines servants.
Yes
I also agree that I don’t like how they’re forcing the sequel trilogy era into the original trilogy era.
The comics have been trying a lot recently to tie in Ochi, Snoke, The Sith Eternal, and Exegol to the Original Trilogy despite it causing numerous contradictions.
Hell we have literally seen Luke Severed hand on Exegol next to Snoke Clones with Palpatine hinting that snoke shares DNA with Luke meaning he's just a canon version of Luuke mixed in with Jorus C'baoth
this isnt even vader its a joke
Its good they are connecting it to the new stuff
@@lennylalamba5366 Not really when they are forcing in retcons and contradictions into the original trilogy to try and connect it with Rise of Skywalker despite it only creating more questions than answers.
Especially when the entire plot of the movie is basically a watered-down rip off of Dark Empire a book made in the 90s.
Oh no looks like Palpatine came back to life via essence transfer into a clone body on a remote planet where he kept his experiments/projects and now plans to take over the body of a younger force user.
They just replaced Byss with Exegol, copied Palpatine's return but made it far less intimidating/explained then DE's version, Replaced him trying to possess the unborn Anakin Solo in Leia's womb with Rey, and overall made a worse version of DE.
@@AbsurdFalcon Wow I didn't even know that DE was a thing. That sounds actualy fucking epic. How they fucked up so bad with such a great premise is beyond me.
5:39 this is actuslly to my knowledge the fourth time this has happened in canon.
1. Cylo shut off vaders suit with a special fails safe he had in place since he designed the thing
2. Rurr the insane Jedi AI tried could also control machines but vader had learned better and hardwired his suit against hacking at least wirelessly. Which makes IG88 being able to do it strange but he iiiss damaged
3 aphra is able to directly hack into vaders voice box but only after he’s drugged and sustained a hell of a bunch of damage from other stuff.
It wpuld be cool if the 5th time was bad batch tech hacking it like theory said maybe tech could
With Rurr it made sense he had upgraded his armor and taken precautions to prevent another Cylo incident. In this instance, IG-88 had a direct schematic of Vader's most up to date armor. So unlike Rurr trying to force his way through, IG-88 just had to input a password and he was in.
Are the people making these comics taking a nap while watching the original trilogy.
Not really. Vader is still conflicted here.
@@achaudhari101 they are because these comics have multiple issues with the OT like Vader and Luke meeting before ESB
I honestly think so
They have to be. I mean Boba loses Han Solo, I call BS on that one.
@@rcearley76 There's a reason why.
This would be so badass in motion, especially the IG-88 fight scene! But as always, Theory does a phenomenal job bringing it to life!👏🏼
That’s the comic book industry right now for you.
Rip
Manga is dominating .
*duel of the fates intensifies *
Have you seen dance of the Fates?
Yes
People act like Legends wasn't convoluted as shit too
Oh it was. But I criticized legends for it too and the new stuff ain't getting an exception.
2:00 I don't think they're changing the meaning of Obi-Wan's statement 'I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine'. The audience knows what he meant because we've seen that he has transcended and become a Force Ghost. Vader hasn't seen that and possibly doesn't even know it's a thing that can happen, so he incorrectly infers that Obi-Wan was referring to Luke. This doesn't mean they're changing the meaning of the statement, Vader just doesn't understand it.
Or, in a roundabout way, Vader is correct. As a Force Ghost, it's now exceedingly easy for Obi-Wan to meet and teach/give advice to Luke, wherever he goes or whatever situation he's in.
Bro Tech gonna try to hack Vader's Suit but then Vader is just gonna use force to make the tablet explode and say something like "You're simple gadgets have no chance against the power of the force."
I don't think he really thinks he wants to kill Luke, I think that's Vader just trying really hard to make himself believe that's what he wants to do.
Dr Cylo, at the end of the Shu Torun War also "froze" Vader's armor with the same trick. Did they forget it already in Disney/Marvel/Lucasfilms or whoever wrote this stupid scene? This story started almost a year ago teasing again Vader finding or trying to resurrect Padme and we were all so hyped. Like we were during the Vader's Castle story where he actually did find Padme in the "otherworld". But now it is one disappointment after another.
Well Sly wasn’t with Cylo when it happened so my guess is she didn’t know at the time.
Agree with most of what you said. Thanks for the content Theory!
I don't think Vader's Interpretation of Obi-Wan's words is meant to be "correct". The Sith have a very narrow view of power. Obi-Wan was referring to his ability to transcend, but Vader is too blinded by his Sith philosophy. He can't comprehend that as being a form of "power". To a Sith, power means the ability to hurt others.
That's possible, however there wasn't any indication of that in the comic. The writer can't possibly expect everyone to pick up on that if they don't make it clear (assuming that's what they intended).
@@dakotatrue12 That’s obviously what he meant. Do you really think Obi-Wan meant Luke? He still is a force ghost in canon. It wouldn’t make sense if Vader knew about force ghosts. It shouldn’t have to be spelled out for you, it fits with his character and the real meaning is extremely well defined.
Either way, Vader doesn't necessarily need to know exactly what Obi-Wan meant. Vader knows that Luke is his son and that Luke's power in the Force is therefore enormous. From that, he can deduce that Obi-Wan's sacrifice has something to do with guidance/training for Luke.
I preferred the Tales of the Bounty Hunters type content of IG-88.
Glad I listened to your bit at then end cos for the whole video i forgot IG-88 wasn't the one in the mandalorian.
Star Wars Theory I want to thank you cause you are the main reason I got back into Star Wars. I recently finished watching the movies from episode 1 to the return of the Jedi(including Rouge one)since I was young when the prequels came out so I mostly forgot what happened. Now I’m thinking of watching the Clone Wars series and then mandalorian. Thank you again man I love your vids, I like to get as much info about Star Wars as I can it’s just so interesting.
I'm glad you tell us these stories. Since I don't think they are worth my money. These Marvel Star Wars comics aren't even close to be on par with Dark Horse Star Wars comics.
Not all of them are garbage but okay. I think you may be a bit of a hardass.
You can read them for free online. Just Google it and add free.
Very enjoyable. I’ve always liked your posts.
"He will join us or die, Master"
"Don't make me destroy you"
"If you will not fight, then you will meet your destiny."
Vader ideally wants for Luke to join him and overthrow the Emperor, *BUT* if that can't be achieved then Luke is a threat that needs to be removed. Vader clearly doesn't wish that, but he will do what must be done. It's the whole reason why he slinks back to Palpatine's side while he is electrocuting Luke, before his change of heart. I think it is erroneous to just say that Greg Pak is "misunderstanding" or "mischaracterizing" Vader here.
I thought you were doing your Maul voice for one of the cloacked people and I got REDICULOUSLY exited before getting REDICULOUSLY disappointed 😂
*Cloaked
*Ridiculously
*Excited
@@dakotatrue12 Thanks bud, don't know what I would do without you.
It’s 1:00 am in Australia but I can’t turn this down
Yeah I don’t think Vader actually wanted to but he was probably wrestling with the idea I mean he’s spent a long time as Vader. He definitely isn’t like 100% sure how he’s going to play things out. Man who remembers how scary ig-88 was in shadows of the empire as a little kid? They should have had Vader fight him on a junkyard in ord mantell!
Well yeah because Vader was still very conflicted at this time.
@@achaudhari101 for sure!
That hutt is buff as hell.
Can we just appreciate how much a Star Wars nerd this guy is
They need to make a Vader series of all these comics would be so good cause not everyone read comics
So Vader being conflicted is considered breaking the lore? He was torn between serving Palpatine and wanting to kill the good in Luke by making him evil. Hell him putting he pieces in place with Obi Wan makes sense as he said in ROTJ in regards to Leia also applies to Luke as well. I don’t know why Vader has to act like a caveman in terms of keeping the lore right but it makes more sense that you wanting Younglings butchered on screen.
He wasn't conflicted, he is playing mind games with sodious.
@@armaniwebb4467 He was kinda doing both since at one hand he wanted Sidious dead while still having to serve under him to avoid getting killed but he still wanted Luke to be evil like him and rule the Empire together.
@@achaudhari101 sidious can't defeat Vader. Vader simply is pretending to join him again so that he can learn the power of exegol. I believe Vader simply wants to find luke again to ask him to join, sidious can read his mind so in his mind he is pretending he hates luke
@@armaniwebb4467 Ummm, yes he can. The previous arc clearly showed this. Sidious>Vader.
Maybe what he meant by “Luke skywalker must die” is that he wants to destroy the light side version of Luke and turn him into a Sith and only go by a Darth whatever name kinda like how he killed anakin and became Darth Vader.
I always thought Vader controlled his mechanical limbs with his remaining nerves, not his chest box thing.
Yea like how anikan and luke didn’t wear chest boxes to control their mechanical limbs.
It was revealed in Lords of the Sith and several canon reference books that Vader's new limbs were wired together with a neural interface that connects through his spine. Along with a lot of his life support systems, Vader's 'cybernetics are intricately linked with his body and designed to work a single unit.
@@thewarner2139 so the chest box controlling thing makes sense
Great breakdown man.
I don’t think they’re changing anything. I think Vader just didn’t know. Also, I think Vaders new feelings of hopelessness probably has him thinking emotionally (temporarily) that he has to kill his son.
Keep in mind Vader was still conflicted so of course he would feel as if Obi Wan hid Luke from him like he said in the movie.
@@achaudhari101 exactly! Basically, Vader’s head is spinning rn with all sorts of emotions.
You need to cover war of the bounty hunters comics they are awesome and the most recent issues ending is amazing
“I will not be denied”
Never thought I’d ever see a ripped Jabba the Hut…
8:45 one of the ig88’s looks like he’s smiling
I'm curious about the "code" for his chest plate. First I've heard of something like that. Very difficult to retrieve, if such a thing existed
palpatine should have used the code in return of the jedi.
@@Mark-dd6vx if he wasn't so blinded by want to kill Luke
Wow, I hope we get to see more of IG-88 and that Boku has to be the most jacked Hutt I have ever seen in Star Wars ever!😱
I always thought Obi-Wan meant that he knew he had to sacrifice himself to 1) get Vader’s defenses down because he doesn’t think there’s any strong Jedi left and 2) inspire Luke to devote himself to his Jedi studies absolutely, which wouldn’t have happened if he weren’t emotionally crushed by Obi-Wan’s death.
The 2017 comic was a true masterpiece
This one is enjoyable for the first two arcs on naboo
The comic is really good... But I agree I don´t like them changing the story, Vader NEVER wanted to kill Luke, he wanted Luke to Join him in the Dark Side, kill the Emperor and rule the galaxy as Father and Son.
What do you mean they're incorporating "too much" from the sequel trilogy? Of course they are, it's there story. Did you think they weren't going to acknowledge it in their other works? Yeah it's not what Lucas envisioned, but he's not writing the stories anymore, they are. You can't expect them to not show it just because it's different from what was before.
Exacly
Yeah, I don't get why he would say that "Legends is more canon in my head" if those stories were not Lucas' vision either.
I completely agree with your opinion at the end!
When he said Luke must die, I think that's just relaying what Sidious wants.
i like the change of the obi wan's line because the first thing he does is he helps Luke so in my mind (In my head canon.) it makes scenes
Genaral Theory as I have said before I will always support you and give this a like because all of your work, But as you said it feels weird to hear Vader want to kill Luke so anything to do with sequel's or something like that..Not for me You Rock Brother
That’s how a sith thinks. He needs to kill Luke. Of course, we know he wouldn’t be able to do it. Theory is just a general at complaining.
I was kinda hoping to see more connections with the Droid Gotra with IG-88 and 4-Lom
They're trying to hard to make the sequel make sense.
Question: does any media like films and television exist in the star wars galaxy? Do they also have their own internet and meme culture?
I dont know of any meme culture in the star wars galaxy, but the holonet does exist which is the star wars equivalent of the internet. So maybe
The closest thing to an internet meme in unuverse is that “all of darth vaders mechanical parts” song that got super popular and pissed the sith lord off so much be banished the band who made it to a hellish mining planet with very low life expectancy rates where they all died.
In legends films did. Wedges sister was an actress who was married to Soontir Fel. Although I could be misremembering that.
Your comment is an island among a sea of arguing and I appreciate it.
Another great video, as usual.
I’m glad I didn’t get these comics. Thanks Theory, I love your reviews.
I mean Vader did say to the Emperor that Luke will join them or die.
These new comics feel so wrong and dirty. They try to stuff so much in and end up breaking the lore. Kinda disappointing.
I agree about the 2017 comics though. They were great
And Legends didn’t? What are you expecting here exactly?
@@achaudhari101 The good stuff of legends didnt, the bad stuff did, just like the good and bad disney stuff
@@achaudhari101 some things did, but what's the point of retconning all of that lore if you're just gonna do the same thing it did?
@@achaudhari101 I'm in slight agreement. Legends did the same. But there is one big difference. Legends was made mostly of a bunch of people not coordinating together and making their own stop, and that's why everything got so jumbled than messy. That was why in 1 comic Luke was preachy and the embodiment of 'no you're wrong and let me tell you why', and in another he's the most understanding man you've met.
But this is Disney, so long as they work together and put together some common personality traits for characters and people should act, they would be able to keep continuity like no one else. They can make something better.
But they know they don't have to. So they won't. That's the issue. The lack of effort.
@@dakotatrue12 And the thing with the retcons are, is that it happens with certain segments, not the actual medium itself.
They're trying to reboot the original movies. Sacrilege.
No.
@@achaudhari101 stop defending garbage, Alex, even Thor doesn't care
We’re not on Thor’s channel. Not a valid point.
@@goodmind4940 its not garbage
Reboot? I don't think you know what the word means.
I believe that the part where he took obi wans last words and interpreted them as involving Luke was more of Vader’s personal conclusion on the matter, than a statement of fact about the universe. vader wouldn’t have known about obi wan becoming a force ghost, I’m pretty sure obi wan only appeared to vader following their final duel in a legends comic
Edit: I commented before listening to the next 10 seconds where you basically say what I just said, my bad 🤦🏻♂️
The end scene is the dark brotherhood. 😂
Dash rendar kills one, boba kills one, one hacks the death star and blows up with its destruction, and the other one wasnt explained if im not mistaken.
I really do enjoy how you cover these comics and your thoughts on them.⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Good video
so fluffed up Jabba is a thing now? Oh my he even get cute blue eyes now???
Vader "you underestimate my power"
Totally agree.
(2:33) I’m sure that’s why he’s saying that. He just doesn’t understand it.
Lmao @ "brakka brakka brakka" for ig88s blasters.
Did they forget those are blasters not machine guns??
They are making it like the Avengers comics where you have to be reading multiple comics at the same time to get all the of the story
The good thing is that its just a comic, not a series or a movie.
They can retcon just like they did it in the Bad Batch…
Hey theory, the comics are just an opinion of the author. From video watching now.
Personal Note: I wish I could be a member. But American Social Security Income doesn’t pay lot. If there’s any left. It’s small. I believe the Food stamp program is being overwhelming/ overloaded with ppl. Because ppl in my country have lost their jobs. Because the company went out of business due to Covid-19.
"Jacked Jabba" You, if you were a Hutt
8:14 we also have Antman
Theory vids nowadays: George Lucas this Dave Filoni that. Honestly - yes they have defined what classic and modern Star Wars are but don't put them on auch a pedestal. They made mistakes, too, and Filoni is working with a large team of talented people. He might have a lot of influence on certain decisions but he doesn't come up with everything.
Agreed
I know. It’s beyond annoying. Theory loves to praise them and complain about most other things.
Used to love this channel but its kinda just a george lucas- dave filoni circlejerk these days. I mean I get that the new trilogy didn't do it for him but it kinda leaves him stuck in the past. Especially when all the new content is just supplemental to the first 2 trilogies... idk I feel like this channel (and star wars as a whole), is kinda running in a redundant loop. If that makes any sense. And he just seems to reject anything new at this point. Like even the high republic seemed to repulse theory.
@@erikbrenner5138 I agree, he seems to automatically hate anything connected with the sequels or trying to link with it, which doesn’t make sense to me. I’d prefer they add on to the new trilogy and give it more lore to help flesh them out like they did with the prequel trilogy and look how well that turned out for that era.
@@erikbrenner5138 And the High Republic is good too. A lot of the upcoming content sounds promising but he always has to find something to complain about.
For Vader's interpretation the whole strike you down comment, both can be true. Obi-wan became more powerful because he became an immortal ghost that could guide Luke who would eventually defeat Vader. So what the comic said was true...from a certain point of view.
I still think this series should have ended after the Amidala stuff wrapped up but I guess if people are on board for the War of the Bounty Hunters storyline they will keep reading. I will review the IG-88 one-shot
God, I love IG-88!
Changing anything about Vader’s suit is crazy. Vader’s suit being hacked is just as lame as time travel In Star Wars. Luke has to die? What? Also Vader is being made to look uncertain and have all these vulnerabilities but that goes against everything that he was in the first place. He was supposed to be kinda like Michael Myers, this unstoppable force of nature. Now he’s almost getting killed in every comic. They’re changing stuff little by little.
Loool a big Anakin reference
In the "Star Wars" comic, Luke has yet to formulate any plan or tought to "save his father". I am not as negative to 2020 series as you are but yes, the 2017 series was better.
IG88 was destroyed in empire by Boba, you see his parts when chewie finds 3PO In pieces
Why did they give Vader the anakin lightsaber? It were supposed to be his new one
Did Vader not construct the new lightsaber's handle more or less the same as he did his original one?
Love you're chanel star wars is the best
Oh yes, I am ready.
Me hoping for vader vs bosk
Me getting vader vs ig88 it is acceptable
I’m confused how IG-88’s head blew off and in the next scene, he is fine. I thought it’d be sick if IG was killed by Vader.
It's so obvious that SW is in the hands of people that do not love, know and understand SW. So sad. It's in the hands of people hired *specifically* to treat it not as a piece of history at this point, but as a product through and through.
this isn't the same as the horrible into the fire arc, charles soule also worked on this one, and all of war of the bounty hunters have been pretty good so far
Sound of Metal: Darth Vader listening to black metal songs in his chamber… .___.
Yo! new video nice
Great video as always man. But this series is just all over the place. Miss the dark horse era.
Marvel is reprinting them in epic collections and omnibuses
That's right except they all have the Disney logo smacked on them. Luckily I was fortunate to complete the legends collection before disney took over
@@starwarsshorts235 that’s good then. I wish they’d reprint the Indiana Jones comics.
It’s so clear he hates it lmaoooo
My opinion on the new Vader comics is that they offer some cool spectacle, but they only serve to harm the overall star wars lore. So it's even more Disney content that will not be going in my headcanon.