$1000 Rare & Vintage Mic VS $100 New Mic
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- Опубліковано 20 лис 2017
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**GEAR**
GUITARS:
Fender Custom Shop Cunetto Relic
AMP:
Tone King Imperial
MICS:
RØDE NTG4 (for vox) - amzn.to/2x51Vwa
Vintage mic: Sennheiser MD409 U3
New(ish) mic: Sennheiser e609
SOUND:
RME Fireface UCX - amzn.to/2xk7pSM
Ableton live - amzn.to/2fhPZjz - Навчання та стиль
My biggest takeaway? Damn, that Tone King sounds GREAT!
I'm amazed by how similar they sound! They very much have the same character. But the 409 U3 sounds a bit softer and warmer. The e609 has a bit more presence and sounds more articulate. Both are great and very usable.
That song you are currently working on is reall nice. As, usual, your shredding is awesome.
the md 409 u3 has a certain warmness that just fills my heart with joy! definitely worth it if your into it
Great video! That amp sounds great! I just ordered two e609's for my vintage Fender amps. This video really reinforces my choice. I think they will sound great because yours sounds fantastic! Great playing!
Your videos are always pleasant to watch, full of useful information, and very well put together. Subbed
Yours reviews it's so good! Congratulations!
Great video, one of the best guitar channels out there!
Killer playing! Thanks for sharing
Some really awesome riffs
I own the 409 as well, nice comparison. I enjoyed your playing!
Great video! I have an E609 and really love it. It records guitar very well. I do wonder how many people saying they like the lush mids on the 409, would swap and say it’s too dull and fat sounding on something heavy like a Les Paul and Marshall? There is no one better always mic in cases like this. It is finding the one that works with what you are doing at that time. Also, a little eq on either would get them sounding very, very similar.
Thanks for the video Paul. It is awesome as everything you doing.
Greetings from Russia, Tambov.
Thanks for that sweet backing track at the end ;)
The 409 sounds better. Not $900 better. The sound is kinda warmer, idk
But lack of bass. (No Iam not stupid EDM bass-bass fan...)
There is a lot more depth in the midrange of the 409. More bass/treble in the 609, but the midrange depth is just not there.
The vintage has a warm dry sound, while the new ones sound is more saturated.. that just what my ears hear
While I agree, it's not that much warmer IMO. Definitiely not $900 warmer. I think the E609 is definitely on a par with the 409.
@@leskanekuni6310 any real midrange depth difference is likely not discernable over youtube compression
at least not to the amount that any time spent eq-ing them couldnt level
You are a absolutly awesome guitar player🤘💪
It's like trying to hear the difference between excellent, or wonderful. Why? Because the music in Paul's heart and soul, expressed through his hands and that red guitar, sounds great captured by either microphone! Great video man. Wonderful sound, editing, humour. Your track is awesome. Keep it up.
Those MD Mids are awesome! Cool Vid! ;)
Depends on where you draw the line, what constitutes as a big difference. The differences were obvious and like you pointed out, depends what you’re after guides the choise. On clean stuff the old mic is overall a lot more pleasant, on driven tone, it depends what’s the goal..
Lol love your content and your color joke made me laugh so hard! I also LOVE that you picked john mayers slow dancing in a burning room to test this out!
You are an amazing guitarist
man I really enjoy your videos, good really good job! do you have any of your music/personal project somewhere? like spotify for example
609 picked up attack and added a bit of sparkle which was nice, I thought, in the mix especially. Cut thru cleanly. But 4 a solo track, nothing beats vintage warmth
Great as always :)
So, is no one going to talk about the slow-motion, putting on headphones scene?
On a more serious note, there's definitely a very noticeable difference during the solo and the fact that I could pick it up on my terrible speakers say a lot. The 409 has a much fuller tone, at least in that section. Great video, Paul!
Well done good sir! I'd be interested to hear the 906 as well... I have a feeling it'd be closer to the 409.
man... that first melody it s just ... I m speechless
On that SRV riff I actually heard a difference on my phone speaker!!
Yo tengo el Sennheiser MD 409 U3 de los 80s y es super dulce. No es tan brilloso pero tiene una gran calides y definición.
The 409 definitely sounds warmer but not and extra $900 warmer.
For me, I liked the E609 best.
Beautiful music
Paul, have you thought about investing in a decent preamp like a Neve 1073? tbh the UAD Apollo is indistinguishable!
Having owned an E609 in the past, I think It has a distinct flavor that for clean tones and light OD is sometimes quite nice. A higher distortion levels it has a weird mid range and the high frequency peak is annoying. The E906 is a much nicer all round mic, in my humble opinion. Don't confuse the two - the are very different!
The 409 sounds a little wider, but the 609 has more top end. I don't think anyone could tell which one is used on a track without A/B-ing them.
Amazing amp !!!
Wow, didn't think the difference would be this noticeable. The newer one is much clearer and crisper, but also feels like it lacks character. The 409 sounds a lot warmer. Now I'm wondering how the 409 stacks up against a more expensive modern mic.
The vintage one sounds better, but not for the price. Maybe only worth 50% more. it seems to have a bit of a larger range, and is warmer too.
I don't think it does. If that were true, you should be able to pick out each mic in a blind test pretty easily, yet I bet money that you could NOT!!
David Belcher Jesus man, calm down
I think the newer cheaper mic sounds better
vintage mic lacks bass.
Was it the caps or the second exclamation point? Cause, he seems pretty calm. Man's just making a point and expressing his opinion. Fucking internet.
Would love to see you do something with that ukulele you always have in the background of your vids.
Lo mejor de lo mejor !
If you can't hear a difference between the two, try listening from 5:50 to 6:00
I am pretty sure there was an unwanted mistake in that bit: it sounds like the pickup combination was different between the two (I guess neck+central pickup for the MD, neck pickup only for the E609)
No, it isn't. You can see clearly that the pickup selector is on the same position.
LTBurrito Man Look at the Depth knob of the amp. There is a difference, but I can't tell if it's this important for the sound.
rnemchev I already noticed the selector seems in the same position, but the audio is clearly that of a different pickup combination. That explains why the very big difference in tone is only in that 10 seconds.
If it is the same setting, the Md 409 brings out much more- even the delay "Structure" is more defined .
I like the upper mids of the 409 better, but you could certainly get the 609 there with a little EQ bump, and I'm sure in a mix whatever difference remained would be negligible. Certainly not $900 different to my ears!
nice review, could you do a comparison on how both mics sound for vocals?
Try the comparison again along with changing the htz or drop tune please.
That rendition of slow dancing in a burning room in the beginning was tasty!
Dude I'm considering buyin a toneking ; do you think the falcon worth the money ?
They both sound great. If you weren't comparing them, who would be able to tell what mic you were using?
The E609 is scooped ! The MD 409 is midrangy
I love the 409
E609 sounds with a bit more details, fuller imo.
Vintage one sounds a bit warmer for lack of a better word. It isn’t night and day though. I kind of liked the modern one better for the dirtier tones but I liked the vintage one better on the cleans. Processed and within a mix it was hard to tell them apart if I’m honest. I really don’t think it would be worth the price difference to people who aren’t collectors. Both sound great though!
Hi Paul, I am pretty sure you unintentionally changed the pickup combination used in the bit from 5:50 to 6:00: my guess is you used neck+central pickup for the MD, neck pickup only for the E609 in that part. Apart from this, fantastic and useful video as always!
you can clearly see on the guitar that the pickup selector didn't move between the two clips, so what are you talking about?
Sennheiser also makes a model e906 (which I have) and it is very ery similar to these two mics, only a tad better. They cost $189
The 409 has a warm and smooth tone compared to the very bright sounding mondern microphones out there.
That beard is godlike
Wow i thought the md had a more raw sound...unfiltered and pure..imh 🤘🏻
E609 Has everything the MD409 has but includes the bottom end that the MD409 seems to lack.
I'd definitely be happy with the E609.
IT'S NOT A BOTTOM END' IT CALLS MUD, IN A MIX SITUATION YOU ROLL THAT OF.
THE 409 IS MUCH MORE FOCUSED AND FAT IN THE MIDRANGE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT IN A MIX... 409 WINS BY FAR.
@@SAGABIJO2 Calm down. You look like a lunatic.
@@SAGABIJO2 been using a 609 for 3 years now, does just fine in a mix... low pass it and that bass thump is still there, plenty of midrange
fuck outta here vintage snob
Been using the MD409 for years to record metal guitars and it rocks! Tried a bunch of mics to see if I could beat my sound and so far... none have surpassed the MD409 to me.
It can take tons of pressure in front a loud amp blasting and still deliver great mids and not arch.
609 is a weak version to my taste
The two mics together would be complimentary.
As most commenting here have noticed the 409 has a touch less bass and isn't as bright as the 609. When mixing a track you'd probably high pass that bass away and maybe do something to soften the highs if you found the 609 too bright. If anything this means the 409 sounds less pleasing solo'd but it'd be easier to place in a mix. I'd be interested to hear how the 609 sounds after forty or fifty years of use when the capsule has mellowed... the same maybe?
Both great mics though and thanks for uploading this comparison!!! :)
Hello. Why you compared it with 609 not higher grade 906? that is just couple dollars more expensive and in my opinion would be closer. Thanks.
For electric guitars, the frequency is not same as for vocals or acoustic guitars, which I have recorded with an MD409 and the quality is amazing. I bought a newer Sennheiser 509 to try to acheive the same quality. No chance! The MD409 is worth every penny and dirt cheap when compared to other pics that perform to the same standard.
Hey did you run effects directly thru the amp or did you reamp effects?
I do prefer the E609... Warmer sound, beautiful.
Great vid. I think I prefer the e609 over the MD409 U3, at least in the shootout section. They go great together to give you that variation of tone.
I liked the e609, it was more accurate to me, and with a fuller sound.
I thought the old one sounds about flatter, but I think you could probably make them sound exactly the same with some EQing.
Does anyone have experience with the MD 407? I read, that is the same capsule like the 409 but will sound different. Thanks and greetz ✌🏼
why do they sound so different from each other around the 5:50 section compared to the rest? did you mix them different or have some different placements going on or something? Like I know they have differences but just seems way bigger in that section.
how can i buy some of your music to listen to in my car and at home like a CD ???
The 409 seemed to more have personality. I wouldn't pick them over the 609 for that price tag though. And the 609 is definitely a good piece of gear!
And in the mix I found it hard to spot differences at all (with the exception of the end). Love your vids paul!
A very nice video! And perhaps banged up + dinged up = danged up. ;-)
For my ears its 409, but im listening on iphone, i might try later on proper speakers
well, i missed the part which model is the vintage one, but I like E609 more, lol
Sweet.
The big question is...Is the E609 better than the SM57????
409 sounds better for my taste. Even the differences are subtle, the highs are more pleasant to my ears. thanks ✌🏼
I think the difference is most noticeable during the solos at 5:49. The 409 has a much fuller sound, while the 609 sounds a little muted and tinny. Neither is fundamentally "better" though since these are just different tools that an artist can use to tweak their sound. Awesome video, Paul!
Wooow the difference is very noticeable. The vintage one sounds warmer and throaty, as if it had a mid boost. I think I prefer the newer one.
a long version of john mayer (dancing in a burning room) plss!! :D
The MD409 definitely had this vibey midrange thing going on that dated the sound, while the e609 had a bit more shimmer.
Also, amazing vibrato.
PS Are you a big dude, or is that Strat a small scale?
Vincent Ippolito He's pretty big. Almost 2 meters, I think...
When A/B testing like this you should use a looper instead of replaying tracks - tiny differences in your playing show up and give inconsistent results.
Cool stuff mate congrats on the mic mate, hey you do know that if I used that mic it would sound crappie :( aww poor me lol
1:07 - 1:41 - what is this beauty?!
fakeviking123 slow dancing In a burning moon
John Mayer - Slow dancing in a Burning Room
Timpe Callebaut btw, Paul did it better than the original one)
agreed!
Максим Неплох try listening to the slow dancing two rock demo
The 609 has a more pronounced low mid sound but also a more clinical top end, almost harsh at times, the 409 has more clarity without being brittle or piercing in the higher range of the fretboard to my ears. A 409 paired with an akg 414 would work well to utilize both mics characteristics as would a 609 with a Neumann TLM
Both sound good. But dang I can hear the quality difference for sure. I can just hear more information and detail of the sound with the 409 rather than the 609. The 609 is muffled and muddy compared to the 409.
Which song is played from 4:00 to 6:24.It's kinda heavenly feel.
Cool video as usual, unfortunately it also depends on the quality of the earphones :)
Wait... is that guitar red, not orange?
I wonder how to achieve a good distortion on single coils...
You should do another blind test as with the cheap vs expensive guitar videos. Set them up the same distance away and record at the same time then play them back. Otherwise for all you know the differences you perceived between the two may just be placebo.
i think you were looking for the word "dinged" up haha
I'm just going to ask what has been asked many times before: please give us a tutorial on how to play Slow Dancing in a Burning Room by John Mayer.
That riff at 1:10 is freaking juicy my dude
It’s John mayer
In the thumbnail, you look like a blurry Chuck Norris 😀
everyone WANTS the older microphone to sound better. Unfortunately the differences are tiny and can be remedied with eq.
I liked the 609. The vintage mic was too compressed. High’s are a bit bright on the 609. Vintage would be great for a Fender Twin. Current great for a British stack.
AH! reading the comment is interesting here. I think you should've done the 2 comparisons and not said which was which and then in another VT say which was which, that way people don't automatically go for the vintage mic if they don't which it is! Too many gear snobs about and that always catches them out.
A blindfold test might be interesting to do?
I like both the same, obviuslu they sound different, but they kinda sound good (better) each one in different kinds of styles...