This is the home I grew up in as a child almost 20 years ago, I happened to go looking for it on google maps and found it ruined, then found this video. What a strange experience, seeing the place you once called home go up in flames. We have so many old videos of myself and my brothers as little kids in there.
I'm very sorry to hear that and I'm sorry you had to find out in such a manner, I can't imagine it's easy to see your childhood home in such a condition.
I feel so sorry for anyone that has to deal with a house fire. My stepdad and boyfriend both lost everything in a house fire long time ago. I hope and pray I never have to go through something like this and that this homeowner can recover and get back on their feet very soon
Not having neighbors at home anymore, (PRE-COVID) and being in 3 house fires in my lifetime, we had a fire alarm installed. Those extra minutes in regards to the detection of heat and smoke go along way in saving lives and property. We didn’t think we could afford it, but when friends lost everything, we decided we couldn’t afford NOT to. Hope everyone came out safe. So sad for the loss…..
The town may be called Endwell, but it didn't end well for the homeowner. I would tend to be one who picks apart the fire department, but as another comment noted, a volunteer department with small staffing during the day. Originally it looked like the bulk of the fire was in division 2, given how quickly division 1 lit up, it had clearly been burning for a long time. Given what they had and the limited resources, the fire department did a good job. Sometimes there just isn't much you can do.
As long as peoples cell phones didn't get destroyed, it's all good. People can't function without their cell phones, but they can find another place to live, things to buy 😁
The first water put on it was from the truck I don’t under stand why thear weren’t any hand lines deployed on arrival and why didn’t the second due lay a water supply they could of done a better job on fire attack and no attempt to do a search n rescue I don’t know all the circumstances but what I saw in the video I saw one hustle to get the ladder off the house when division 1 flashed they need arrival training
@@michaelnoonan8070 not all areas have hydrants. Here where I'm a paid-on-call firefighter at we only have hydrant systems in the 2 or 3 Industrial Parks in town.
house fires are a terrible thing to deal with and go through, and being a firefighter and seeing first-hand what it does to families is why I try to be on top of things because when I get that call to go do my job it means someone is going through one of the worse days of their life.
Thank you for the detailed description. While trucks were pulling in front and setting up, there were ffs in the back or charlie side fighting the blaze.
I grew up in Endwell (Park Manor) That's a beautiful area. I hate to see events like this. They are devastating and life changing to the family, I feel for them.
Ladder, tower operator did a hell of a great job!!! Very efficient with the controls of the rig!! Great job by all! Sorry for the owners loss. Just my observation, 20 years retired firefighter.
I'm not a firefighter nor am I affiliated with any of these agencies, I just record these incidents in my free time and share what goes on in my area. With that being said, if you'd like to provide some helpful criticisms, ideas, or relevant context to the video, go right ahead. However, comments that are dedicated strictly to just posting hate or negativity will be deleted, thank you.
I don't think it matters whether the FD are the best or worst, the fact that so many US homes are predominately wood framed in construction means they are struggling to contain or put out a fire in houses like this, make sure you have good home insurance and stay safe.
Good Job Endwell Fire !! People in the comments below stated “ they were slow/ that is reason they lost the house”. On the back side of this home all 3 floors were fully involved! Even before the fire department got there. Overall… they did a pretty damn good job!! It was great to see great team work with their Mutual aid departments.
We can see that fire fighters did all that was necessary. Heavy smoke from any room on first level, with high pressure and flames from attic, means the entire space has flashed already. No need for firefighters to worry about saving anything.
Could have went into the front door and tried to get to the fire from in side the building, that's what I was taught as I am a firefighter and it's the first thing you do is make sure everyone is out of the building and attack the fire from inside the building
@@genegustafson1665 in most cases interior attack is preferred.. but heed the last comment, you have heabvy fire out the back already.. you have heavy fire and smoke on all levels.. this fire likely started with the occupants gone and basically baked the inside of theh ouse until it self vented and then Flashed the whole house.. theres no contents to dave.. they are all either mnelted or smoked ... you take a fire that might still be oxygen deprived at the front after self venting to the back.. open the front door and you are asking to get cooked!! .. go in from the back.. but cool the back down with handlines first to scope it out.. pretty quick it became evident that the attic space was weakening quickly.. no way for a crew to safely be inside.. call defensive and all go back to the station to live another day!! Good call on this one.. only thing it sounded like was they had too many lines coming off of one truck .. with no interior crews though even thats not a big deal. glad no one was hurt in the collapse..
I wouldn’t use the term fully involved in this case, fully involved is fire out of every orpheus of the building. More so “well involved” or “well off” but the entire time through this video I kept telling myself I wanted to see the rear, thanks for the information!
The way houses are built they go up very fast. Also the content inside is made of very flammable material. The best ting you can do if you smell smoke is get out as soon as you can and call 911.
Sad to see any type of fire, but I'm hoping no one was hurt and that includes the family, their pets and the Fire, Police and E.M.S. crews. God Bless each and every one of you.
This has been my career for 24 years. I think they did a great job. Fully involved, interior attack not feasible. Went defensive, got a water supply quickly and knocked the bulk of the fire down in under 10 minutes. Everyone went home. Great job , guys.
The second arriving engine was originally only assigned as RIT, if I had to guess they weren't anticipating or informed that they were going to be taking up fire suppression duties. The home department for this fire has 3 stations and a plethora of apparatus, so usually they're able to handle the majority of their own fire suppression duties on fires. Unfortunately, during this fire they were a bit shorthanded so the RIT crew stepped up. In short, I assume they didn't expect to be catching a water supply or pulling lines because the home department should've/usually handles that.
Luckily they have a offer truck and hydrants. There isn’t a ladder within the 5 surrounding countries near me and we call mutual aid at a minimum for shuttling water tenders. Our 1 station covers 215 sq miles with 15 members 5 of which are interior certified with any experience. 2 engines a rescue tender/tanker and a brush truck.
You gotta wonder how many tons did all that water weigh? Probably that finally brought the house down. Maybe a thousand gallons per minute for 25 minutes? 8 pounds per gallon, I calculate about 50 tons of water!
5:30 mins to get the ladder hooked up to water and another 1:45 to get the water on the fire. I’ve seen volunteer 2 man team that jumps out of and charges hose in 30 seconds and dumps there water and second crew arriving hooks up to main within minutes. I assume they went defensive if the back was fully involved.
@@virgilhilts3924 if they didn’t waste the water and time on pissing on the roof and went inside with 1.75. They could put the fire out without the entire house burning to the ground.
@@bobbys1984 Says the 🤡 who's never worked a fire in his life... and who's to ignorant to know that the entire rear of the house was involved 1st floor thru the roof upon arrival... dERp 😂🤣😅
Curious...what is the yellow A frame "sign" in the middle of the video at the 8:22 mark? Is it some sort of command/ accountability board ? Looks like accountability tags hanging off the one side.
Yep, its an accountability board. I’m sure you know what that is but for those who don’t (who happen to be reading this comment), it’s essentially a way to track who specifically is on a fireground and where they are (interior/exterior/etc.).
25 years in the fire service and any fire video regardless of the department can be picked apart for the Monday morning quarterback. When we watch these videos we are only getting part of the story and yes sometimes there are mistakes made but some are acceptable and some just can't happen.This fire was well involved upon arrival no car in driveway this fire was going for a long time maybe until called in by neighbor. A small volunteer department daytime crew of a few old timers and pulling up with 3 guys over 50 hoping a few young guys show up in their cars. It's sad for the homeowner but under the conditions these guys did their best and can hold their head high.
Reading the description, C31-B had the presence of mind to strike the 2nd alarm and get trucks on the road before arriving, instead of getting there and going "oh, s**t! I need a 2nd alarm!"
I get your man power problems ,we all have that but no supply line on a Obvious working fire .I do believe the Chief call for a 2 Alarm . Common sense training
This is the way I see it. 1. When they pulled up everything in that house was already lost. 2. They kept it from spreading to the other houses. 3. Everyone went home. = Fine job by all. PS all fires can be done a little differently and better once you look at them. That is no different from any department, you always learn on every incident.
This is the most reasonable comment I’ve gotten on this video so far. I won’t sit here and say I definitely knew what conditions were on the inside or rear of the residence, however from what I could tell, fire had spread through much of the house. While it wasn’t immediately visible on the exterior of the house, I could see visible flames from the windows. For context, I arrived only about 5-7 minutes after the initial call was put out. It’s not my place or area of expertise to say whether what they did was right or wrong, but I can say that at the end of the day, the fire was contained to the residence and the exposures remained protected despite the circumstances, and no one was injured. Also, thank you for commenting this.
Not having all of the information that the I.C. had at the beginning and not being able to see all 4 sides of the structure, it is difficult to second guess what should or should not have been done. First of all, the time of day is a very difficult time to have a full response of manpower. Second, there did not appear to be sufficient interior people to make any kind of offensive attack. Third (as was already mentioned) the fire intensity may have determined the defensive attack. I did not observe any attempt to enter the structure to assess fire involvement, but once the first floor obtained oxygen, it lit up quite quickly.
I agree. You need to critique fires to learn from them. Looking at fires without being critical , you won't get better. That's not to say demean anyone, just watch and see what can be done bettere next time.
Staffing issues aside, they had established a water supply to the quint but it took them 9:58 to get a master stream flowing. Why not start with the deck gun on the pumper & switch to the quint was it was ready to flow? Big fire = big water. To me that’s a leadership deficiency.
When they arrived, the fire was majorly contained to the rear of the residence, so their attention was directed back there with 2 lines. I wish I had some genuine answers for you as to what was done and why but unfortunately I'm not acquainted with any of these individuals so I can't really ask around. I won't say you're wrong with your assessment, and you do make some very legitimate points.
Question: are the firemen supposed to be in full uniform before arriving at scene? And are they trained to have a routine who does what where when, all that. I can only go on what I see here, and it looks bad. Just asking, let me know please.
Generally speaking yes, you should be dressed by the time you pull up to a scene. As for the routine part, most of the time yes. Everyone typically has a pre-determined job or assignment for when you arrive on the scene of a fire. The angle at which I recorded at doesn't really do these guys justice, so it's partially on me for showing it that way. In my own opinion based on the conditions that were experienced at this particular fire, they did a fine job. Much of the actual firefighting efforts were going on off-camera or in the rear of the house.
If your arriving at fh and just have time to grab your gear and jump on truck then no you won't arrive with gear on. Seat belts required in rigs so you can't change on the way
Department 53 is a neighboring department. For most first alarm fires in Department 31's district, 53 is placed on stand-by to be able to respond directly into the scene within an expedited amount of time (if need be), and likely for coverage purposes. On the second alarm, Department 53 was summoned directly to the scene.
This is one hell of a bad fire. The only good thing was the houses weren't close together. With the attic on fire, there's no way for an interior attack due to possible collapse. In addition to that, other hazards such as the power lines made this fire pretty bad. That engine bringing the supply should not have parked under the power lines. This is too bad because it seemed to be a pretty nice neighborhood and some poor family literally lost everything. I sure hope they're doing better now. It's great to live with great first responders. We don't know how lucky we truly are. I sure feel bad for this family.
@@JB91710 I think your curt reply to Pete T is totally uncalled for. Of course All firefighters throughout the world DO deserve a lot of support, especially the volunteers. Would YOU go into a flame filled house to attempt to rescue someone or limit the damage? I suspect not. You would probably be one of those idiots who laugh as you watch the destruction of people's lives. I sincerely hope you will never need firefighters' help. It's YOU who lives in La La Land - Grow up.
In my opinion, the house was not a total lost when they pulled up. Possibly could have made entry through the front door or at least vented. Hoping the green men made sure everyone was out of the house. Everyone was around the back and no one in front. Video could be used for a tactics class.
I agree, and thank you for speaking calmly and reasonably, unlike most other comments. The guys in green are with the street department/public works and had presumably stopped to help about 30 seconds or so before I started recording. But to answer your question, I believe law enforcement had confirmed with the homeowner that the residence had been evacuated and relayed that to incident command.
Way to long to get water on the fire. Where is the % inch supply line? Way too long to get the ladder up and going... More of a surround and drowned attack....
It's a short staffed volly dept. I said the same thing...but when short staffed, aggressive interior attack isn't always an option. Additionally, many VFD's or partial VFD's have exterior only FF's which may have contributed to the zero interior attack.
I wish the makers of these videos would turn commenting off. Too many keyboard warriors and arm chair firefighters all the time. These firefighters did an excellent job.
While I am inclined to agree with you, I prefer to leave the comments on to allow for discussion, debates, and questions. I believe it's important to have these conversations on what was done right, what was done wrong, and what can be improved on, as this will allow people to potentially learn and better themselves in the future. The Monday Morning Quarterbacking is just an unfortunate side effect to leaving the comments on.
You raise some pretty interesting questions. While I don't have any answers, nor do I know if the fire investigators have released their findings, I did pick up on some hearsay at the fire scene from other spectators stating the fire may have been caused by a vehicle catching fire in the rear of the house, hence why the rear went up first. Whether or not that was the case, I don't know. I also dig a little research into the property and I believe it may have been rented out at the time, if I'm not mistaken. That may also be a factor in this incident.
@@brianb8516 to risk other people and firefighters lives is reason enough. There are definitely people that do this and that's why question is asked. Fire burning good is also a reason to question
Great catch . Move around some next time please . I can not believe it took the 3rd or 4th truck in to lay a supply line the first two trucks passed a hydrant and neither on lay in . Poor judgment on officers you can see the fire pulling up and you know your ladder has 500 gallons or less and you second truck has made a 1000 or 750
I would be very interested to have a running commentary with a video like this, explaining what is being done as it is done. My supposition is that there really is some science in fighting a fire. I doubt that firefighters show up and just randomly start throwing water on a fire. How do they decide where to put the water? What are the criteria for deciding to try to save one part of a structure and not another, or attacking at one point first? I would not dare even start to critique the work on this fire. It looks to me like they pulled up to a completely involved structure and in about fifteen minutes had it dark. But I'd like to know just how they did it, and how they decided to mount an attack as they did.
It's actually funny you mention this concept. I have been recently experimenting with and contemplating an almost identical idea where I will continue to upload normal videos like I am now and also simultaneously upload the same video with the exception being in the second one, I (to the best of my ability) attempt to provide an in-depth breakdown of who's doing what and why. While it's hard for me to accomplish such as I don't have direct access to view or hear about the specific tactics employed on specific incidents, I can still try to break it down. Thank you for the idea, I'll be sure to consider it for my future videos.
@@louisc.gasper7588 Stockton Fire Department's youtube does a great job explaining what's going on as well as using helmet camera footage so you can better see what's going on from the interior perspective if you're interested in that stuff.
Science in fire fighting? You put the wet stuff on the red stuff (jk). We couldn't see the C-side of the building but seen from the smoke and heat pattern the seat of the fire seems to be there and was quickly attacked from the outside. The fire was already blowing out of the roof quickly after arrival and no close up exposures. Therefore no use to put FF in danger in an interior attack. Defensive was the right call imho.
@Kadin Williams From watching fire UA-cam videos, I've learned that the MAJORITY of comments are hateful and very disrespectful. Most claiming to be experts/veteran firemen/women. You'll end up blocking hundreds. A lot of channels just turn them off due to the headache. It's sad, but understood. Thank you for sharing your area for some of us that like to view content. It's greatly appreciated 🤝
There are no shortage of armchair firefighters and Monday morning quarterbacks on the internet. I am more than welcome to receiving constructive criticism and I'm open to hearing about other peoples experiences, techniques, or suggestions when it comes to firefighting however, I truly have no interest in receiving pure hatred and negativity, especially when they're directed to organizations I don't even represent or associate myself with. At this point, I don't read or process any of the hate comments and I just delete them right away to save myself and everyone else the headache. I appreciate the kind words, it truly means a lot. Thank you.
@@JB91710 assuming you’re replying to my previous comment, the armchair firefighters association complaining on my channel has no effect on how these local agencies conduct their operations. You’re effectively just writing into a guy with a camera complaining about something he has nothing to do with. I’m combatting the people who are dropping their very poorly formed opinions because they don’t have a legitimate understanding of the specific conditions from this incident. It’s not my job to teach these people how to do what they do. I also hold no obligation to hear the comments of random people on the internet. In summary, you’re preaching to someone who isn’t interested in receiving negative commentary.
It seems that with these house fires, they are so involved that there is no saving it. As far as these arm chair comments go, we are not there so we don't know why a fire company is slow to put out a fire.
@@JB91710 not a necessary comment at all man. you are building cars in you garage dude, which is great, but being rude to this dude makes you look and sound dick-ish. He didn’t attack anyone. He was actually being very nice.
No, they avoided placing any trucks there out of concern for the wires from the house coming down. Hence why that area was coned off later on in the video.
As a so called paid FF, I tilt my hat to our brothers and sisters in endwell volunteer department. We are the same people fighting the same issues.... Fire!!!
Every few tones represents a single department in the county. I personally haven’t really questioned as to whether or not this system is efficient. To answer your question, no they typically don’t wait until they’re completed to respond. As far as I know, they go as soon as they’re ready to go.
If I'm not mistaken, the call came directly from the homeowner who may have been home when the fire started. As for the cause, no official cause has been released but the unofficial hearsay is that a vehicle parked under a rear deck caught fire, igniting the rest of the house. Whether or not that was actually the case, I don't know. Also, thank you and thank you for watching!
Thank you Kadin Sir. That was very awsome of you to provide that in depth explanation!! Much appreciated! Keep up the grrreat work. Have a nice summer!! Kev Ps as a Licensed Electrical Contractor all my life in northern New Jersey, I've seen a load of electrical house fires!! Thank God I never caused one!!!!!! K... Later Bro
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Although they preformed well on this fire this department gets a f and a major fail for the day. I see fire fighters on a hand line not masked up and not on air. They aren't even wearing packs. I don't care if you are volunteer, part time, professional or a mix you go on air to fight a fire that is producing that much smoke. Heros are the ones who make it home and don't die of cancer 10 years later because they wanted to show they were tough. The officers on this scene should have made sure their fire fighters were protecting themselves from the smoke. Smh. No excuse.
Endwell fire did a very nice job knocking this fire down. Quint was set up and provided a water supply right away while hose lines from an engine were put in operation on Charlie side. The fire fighter operating the stick did a nice job knocking the fire down. Firefighters on ground lines need to be a little more careful in the collapse zone of a structure when a master stream is in operation. Overall, nice job Endwell
Plus the front door is still closed, open all the air ways to get the smoke out of the building so firefighters can see where to go to put out the fire!! Just standing around and not doing there best at what they are trained for
I don’t think you realize how bad the conditions on the interior actually were. Not every incident is an aggressive interior attack. The interior of the house at the point of arrival was already rolling, hence the exterior only hit.
On my department, we were trained not to open the doors unless we're doing an interior attack (which obviously is out of the question here). By opening the doors, you're creating a more accessible way for the fire to suck in oxygen and become more dangerous.
Just like you, fire craves oxygen, and the more you give it, the bigger it gets. Opening that front door and/or other exterior openings would have expedited the outcome you saw. Making an opening in the roof, (vertical ventilation) would have been a better alternative, as it releases the superheated gasses and toxic smoke and increases visibility inside the structure if at the time it was deemed safe to do so. Seemed like the attic was already well involved though, and they probably wanted to avoid the risk of firefighters falling through the roof. That, and vertical ventilation serves no real purpose when you take a defensive strategy either.
Plenty of videos on venting fires. You open front door and keep it open while firefighters in a 2nd floor room are working. Chances are windows are all broken. Have you ever scene a rocket stove. You put fire at the bottom of a vertical pipe or something 3 or 4ft long. Have only one way for air to enter. Basically a wood burning stove and flu pipe. As fire gets hot it sucks air and vents the top. The hotter fire gets there will be hot hot heat. Same in a building if opened door and 1 room venting broken windows. The fire and heat will follow the easier route and in no time your in trouble
why did it take 10 minutes for water from the ladder to get on the house. far to slow, in my opinion. no attack hoses from the front either. could have been handled alot better. and yes i am a fire fighter from Australia
Just thinking out loud....at what point do you know all is lost and "just let it burn" crosses you mind? Save on dumpster costs for the demo crew. Sure I feel for the owners but I doubt there was anything to save after seeing full fire in all three levels of that bi-level.
to also point out at this point the fire is through the roof so what i would have done was talk to the chief and had busted the window to reduce the heat inside the house.
No offense fire fighting could have saved most of the structure if they had gained entry but they didn’t possible they could have saved more by pulling ceilings on interior but they went with the surround and drowned tactics and it didn’t ENDWELL
I recently took the time to go back and review this video to see what had and hadn't happened during this fire. What I've deduced is that; by the time the first arriving apparatus (Quint 31) arrived, the fire had already spread into much of the interior (while that's not entirely visible from the angle of the camera), with the whole rear of the house being well-involved. If memory serves me correctly, Quint 31 only had roughly 2 interior qualified firefighters at the time. Given the lack of staffing, they were too severely undermanned to try to go inside and fight 4 whole floors of fire (basement to attic). While this next bit is mostly unconfirmed, one can imagine that command made the decision to attack the side of the house that was entirely engulfed in fire, that being the entire rear of the house. By the time the second (Squad 25) and third (Engine 31-1) apparatus arrived, one can reasonably deduce that the interior of the house was too far gone based on the conditions displayed from the exterior. In summary, I wouldn't boil the outcome of this fire wholly down to poor tactics or decision-making skills, more so the unfortunate effects of the continued decline of volunteer firefighters in New York State, and the United States as a whole. I do believe that if they had more interior-qualified firefighters on scene upon first arrival, this house could've potentially been saved.
I see a lot of UA-cam videos of major American fires like this, but considering the size of the Nation, are they really more rare? If they are regular, is that because a lot of the homes are built of highly combustible material? The fires always seem to have gone out of control before the fire brigades arrive. Is that because there should be more fire stations so the appliances don't have to travel so far?
Most modern homes in the United States are filled with more combustible materials than they were a few decades ago. This and the fact that they’re more often than not built with wood. It’s commonly taught here that many years ago, people had up to 30 minutes to escape a house fire, nowadays that number is down to just 3 minutes (or so). The station placements usually aren’t the problem. It’s moreso a lack of full time personnel. Roughly 70% of all firefighters in the U.S. are volunteer, and more often than not those volunteers are responding in from home when calls come in, which adds on an extra 5+ minutes to the existing response time from station to scene. It’s the product of many different unfortunate factors.
@@kadinwilliams Thank you Kadin. That actually confirms what I had been thinking. I noticed one of your posts below refers to the spread of hatred and couldn't agree more with you. I wrote a strongly worded reply to a person who wrote a nasty comment to someone who was praising firefighters. I hope you will not think of me as spreading hatred, just trying to correct someone who obviously was.
Great job from this fire dept. When a fire has the chance to spread like this one did before the first Eng. Co. got there. You can only do the best you can do to knock the fire down ! I commend each of these firefighter's for a job well done !!
Initially 2 apparatus on scene; 1 ladder & 1 engine. Assuming only 2 firefighters not much can be done. They could have teamed up to stretch a line if there was water on board the engine but probably not SOP. 2nd engine with water and help gives them a fighting chance. A volunteer department is handicapped from the get-go. Guys do the best they can. Homeowners need to recognize this and accept the personal risk of this happening in the middle of the night.
To shed a bit of context; the first in aerial is volunteer. The first in engine who came in right after them is from a neighboring career department, who responded as the RIT team. What can’t be seen (very well) in the video is one line coming off the quint right after their arrival, and a backup line coming off the engine (squad) right after their arrival. Both lines went straight to the rear, which was well-involved at the time. I wholeheartedly agree with what you’re saying, unfortunately the reality is most modern day volunteer departments seemingly aren’t capable to respond at the same capacity of career departments. Despite what the majority of the comments under this video have been in opposition of what they did on this incident, I’ll continue to defend their actions as I believe they did the best they could with what little they were given. Edit: I went on a bit of a tangent on this reply but like I said, I agree with what you said. Thank you for commenting. I appreciate hearing feedback from others.
Yeah, that's why it's a good idea to have things like Rx drugs, important pictures, pet food/carriers and jewelry in an area that you can grab and go if you're home. At the very least, toss stuff out the windows, all important documents should be copied and originals kept in a safety deposit box. Keep in mind you will lose some things you'll never recover. Just worry about family, pets and necessary Rx drugs to get you by.
those paid or volunteer firefighter like me and to those who don't know we try harded then u think to fight them that sometimes means waking up in the middle of the night early morning at night like 1,2,3,4,5 in the morning we try to get there.
The fire seemed like it went up like toothpicks !! One part is on fire, then the next thing you know the whole front was on fire then the next side!! Wonder if this was arson
Great job on a heavily involved fire. When it gets this bad, defensive is the best measure. Very heavy fire and it spread quickly; glad everyone was safe. Great job by all involved.
Way too slow getting the wet stuff on the hot stuff. My department would have, immediately on arrival pulled two attack lines, went thru the front door and attacked the fire. we would not have waited for the hydrant to be hooked up. We would have at least exhausted the water on the truck and by then the hydrant would be hooked up. Lots of firefighters walking back and forth like they did not know what to do. in my opinion this was caused by inadequate leadership. They lost the structure, which could have been saved with a couple hand lines.
I appreciate you providing your opinion on this matter, I believe there's always something new to learn from every incident. Although, there was water on the fire within the first few moments of recording. Unfortunately, it wasn't visible from my angle of recording but a handline went to the Charlie side of the residence almost immediately after the arrival of the first piece.
It’s abundantly clear you didn’t make any effort to observe anything going on in the first portion of the video. There was water on the fire in under a minute after arrival, as proven by the steam rolling off the back of the house (where the majority of the fire was).
Everything except that giant green bush that is pictured in the beginning of the video…then again at the end of the video, this time with the powerlines draped over it…still untouched, while the rest of the home and landscaping is gone.🥺
Great job by FDs. Looks like a home built maybe 70 or 80s. Fast growth wood meaning burns easy and quick. But there are people that could do it quicker and my advice to them. Stay in the basement and help mom by switching clothes into dryer. Don't forget the lint trap and be good to mommy
Absolutely, as a carpenter for forty years, I can see that "newer" wood, with fat annual growth rings, weighs less, burns faster. Much lower density wood. Newer houses also often use truss framing which to me, is kindling. Also more use of vinyls, plastics, thinner materials. Seemed like this house went up pretty quickly.
@@AyeCarumba221 I agree. When the heat gets into attic if not attacked quickly, guarantees a quick burn and collapse. Lots of new construction videos of framed out apartment or condo buildings. They are quickly turned into a campfire
such a beautiful home too. now, nothing left. it was really distressing to watch the fire eat its way through the house. i could only imagine what would be going through the minds of the neighbors. it seemed to me that the fire crews took a bit more time than necessary to get into position for the attack, but i’m not going to question their judgment. they were faced with a virtually impossible position. that they risked their lives in this is enough to show their dedication.
Fire crew must wait for the hydro and gas to be turned off before they can pour water on the structure! It would be a big mistake to put water on live electrical wires in the house.
This is the home I grew up in as a child almost 20 years ago, I happened to go looking for it on google maps and found it ruined, then found this video. What a strange experience, seeing the place you once called home go up in flames. We have so many old videos of myself and my brothers as little kids in there.
I'm very sorry to hear that and I'm sorry you had to find out in such a manner, I can't imagine it's easy to see your childhood home in such a condition.
I feel so sorry for anyone that has to deal with a house fire. My stepdad and boyfriend both lost everything in a house fire long time ago. I hope and pray I never have to go through something like this and that this homeowner can recover and get back on their feet very soon
Not having neighbors at home anymore, (PRE-COVID) and being in 3 house fires in my lifetime, we had a fire alarm installed. Those extra minutes in regards to the detection of heat and smoke go along way in saving lives and property. We didn’t think we could afford it, but when friends lost everything, we decided we couldn’t afford NOT to. Hope everyone came out safe. So sad for the loss…..
The town may be called Endwell, but it didn't end well for the homeowner. I would tend to be one who picks apart the fire department, but as another comment noted, a volunteer department with small staffing during the day. Originally it looked like the bulk of the fire was in division 2, given how quickly division 1 lit up, it had clearly been burning for a long time. Given what they had and the limited resources, the fire department did a good job. Sometimes there just isn't much you can do.
As long as peoples cell phones didn't get destroyed, it's all good. People can't function without their cell phones, but they can find another place to live, things to buy 😁
Yeah, IAFF they are not.
House was toast by the time they got there. Considering, they did well.
The first water put on it was from the truck I don’t under stand why thear weren’t any hand lines deployed on arrival and why didn’t the second due lay a water supply they could of done a better job on fire attack and no attempt to do a search n rescue I don’t know all the circumstances but what I saw in the video I saw one hustle to get the ladder off the house when division 1 flashed they need arrival training
@@michaelnoonan8070 not all areas have hydrants. Here where I'm a paid-on-call firefighter at we only have hydrant systems in the 2 or 3 Industrial Parks in town.
house fires are a terrible thing to deal with and go through, and being a firefighter and seeing first-hand what it does to families is why I try to be on top of things because when I get that call to go do my job it means someone is going through one of the worse days of their life.
I am so glad none if the firefighters, family or pets were injured. Such a shock for the family.
Thank you for the detailed description. While trucks were pulling in front and setting up, there were ffs in the back or charlie side fighting the blaze.
I grew up in Endwell (Park Manor) That's a beautiful area. I hate to see events like this. They are devastating and life changing to the family, I feel for them.
Ladder, tower operator did a hell of a great job!!! Very efficient with the controls of the rig!! Great job by all! Sorry for the owners loss. Just my observation, 20 years retired firefighter.
I'm not a firefighter nor am I affiliated with any of these agencies, I just record these incidents in my free time and share what goes on in my area. With that being said, if you'd like to provide some helpful criticisms, ideas, or relevant context to the video, go right ahead. However, comments that are dedicated strictly to just posting hate or negativity will be deleted, thank you.
Do you know the cause of the fire? I read the description but no mention of the cause.
@@doreenblatz2440 as of now, no. I haven't heard anything more regarding the cause of the fire.
@@kadinwilliams thank you for your response. 🙂
@@doreenblatz2440 thank you for your question and thank you for watching!
God Bless these firefighters. They are worth their weight in Gold.
I don't think it matters whether the FD are the best or worst, the fact that so many US homes are predominately wood framed in construction means they are struggling to contain or put out a fire in houses like this, make sure you have good home insurance and stay safe.
Good Job Endwell Fire !!
People in the comments below stated “ they were slow/ that is reason they lost the house”.
On the back side of this home all 3 floors were fully involved! Even before the fire department got there.
Overall… they did a pretty damn good job!!
It was great to see great team work with their Mutual aid departments.
We can see that fire fighters did all that was necessary. Heavy smoke from any room on first level, with high pressure and flames from attic, means the entire space has flashed already. No need for firefighters to worry about saving anything.
Could have went into the front door and tried to get to the fire from in side the building, that's what I was taught as I am a firefighter and it's the first thing you do is make sure everyone is out of the building and attack the fire from inside the building
@@genegustafson1665 in most cases interior attack is preferred.. but heed the last comment, you have heabvy fire out the back already.. you have heavy fire and smoke on all levels.. this fire likely started with the occupants gone and basically baked the inside of theh ouse until it self vented and then Flashed the whole house.. theres no contents to dave.. they are all either mnelted or smoked ... you take a fire that might still be oxygen deprived at the front after self venting to the back.. open the front door and you are asking to get cooked!! .. go in from the back.. but cool the back down with handlines first to scope it out.. pretty quick it became evident that the attic space was weakening quickly.. no way for a crew to safely be inside.. call defensive and all go back to the station to live another day!! Good call on this one.. only thing it sounded like was they had too many lines coming off of one truck .. with no interior crews though even thats not a big deal. glad no one was hurt in the collapse..
I wouldn’t use the term fully involved in this case, fully involved is fire out of every orpheus of the building. More so “well involved” or “well off” but the entire time through this video I kept telling myself I wanted to see the rear, thanks for the information!
The way houses are built they go up very fast. Also the content inside is made of very flammable material. The best ting you can do if you smell smoke is get out as soon as you can and call 911.
Most likely collapsed due to the weight of the the water that was poured into it.
Why did it take eleven minutes to get a hand line into operation?
This was my exact thought and was wondering if anyone else was thinking the same thing. Holy crap it was an eternity.
8 minuti per intervenire da quando si è sul posto. Incredibile!!
Sad to see any type of fire, but I'm hoping no one was hurt and that includes the family, their pets and the Fire, Police and E.M.S. crews. God Bless each and every one of you.
Whatever City this is they need to be sued at homeowner needs to Sue that fire department for not putting water on it as quick
What you are talking about
There were two lines working the fire before camera operator even got to the house at the 3 minute mark
@@virgilhilts3924 one of the worst responses on youtube - these firefighters suck
This has been my career for 24 years. I think they did a great job.
Fully involved, interior attack not feasible. Went defensive, got a water supply quickly and knocked the bulk of the fire down in under 10 minutes. Everyone went home.
Great job , guys.
It wasn't fully involved until they let it be fully involved
thats not fully involved lol
I think it was a shitty job
Why didn’t the second arriving engine catch the hydrant?
The second arriving engine was originally only assigned as RIT, if I had to guess they weren't anticipating or informed that they were going to be taking up fire suppression duties. The home department for this fire has 3 stations and a plethora of apparatus, so usually they're able to handle the majority of their own fire suppression duties on fires. Unfortunately, during this fire they were a bit shorthanded so the RIT crew stepped up.
In short, I assume they didn't expect to be catching a water supply or pulling lines because the home department should've/usually handles that.
I love the wet floor sign lol thanks for the great videos
Thank you for clarification.
Luckily they have a offer truck and hydrants. There isn’t a ladder within the 5 surrounding countries near me and we call mutual aid at a minimum for shuttling water tenders. Our 1 station covers 215 sq miles with 15 members 5 of which are interior certified with any experience. 2 engines a rescue tender/tanker and a brush truck.
Did a great Job being the amount of Fire..Nice job.
You gotta wonder how many tons did all that water weigh? Probably that finally brought the house down. Maybe a thousand gallons per minute for 25 minutes? 8 pounds per gallon, I calculate about 50 tons of water!
why do they just stand around no water on the fire
5:30 mins to get the ladder hooked up to water and another 1:45 to get the water on the fire. I’ve seen volunteer 2 man team that jumps out of and charges hose in 30 seconds and dumps there water and second crew arriving hooks up to main within minutes. I assume they went defensive if the back was fully involved.
You have no clue what you are talking about
There were two lines working the fire before camera operator even got to the house at the 3 minute mark
@@virgilhilts3924 from the yard
@@bobbys1984
And...?
@@virgilhilts3924 if they didn’t waste the water and time on pissing on the roof and went inside with 1.75. They could put the fire out without the entire house burning to the ground.
@@bobbys1984
Says the 🤡 who's never worked a fire in his life... and who's to ignorant to know that the entire rear of the house was involved 1st floor thru the roof upon arrival... dERp 😂🤣😅
Curious...what is the yellow A frame "sign" in the middle of the video at the 8:22 mark? Is it some sort of command/ accountability board ? Looks like accountability tags hanging off the one side.
Yep, its an accountability board. I’m sure you know what that is but for those who don’t (who happen to be reading this comment), it’s essentially a way to track who specifically is on a fireground and where they are (interior/exterior/etc.).
25 years in the fire service and any fire video regardless of the department can be picked apart for the Monday morning quarterback. When we watch these videos we are only getting part of the story and yes sometimes there are mistakes made but some are acceptable and some just can't happen.This fire was well involved upon arrival no car in driveway this fire was going for a long time maybe until called in by neighbor. A small volunteer department daytime crew of a few old timers and pulling up with 3 guys over 50 hoping a few young guys show up in their cars. It's sad for the homeowner but under the conditions these guys did their best and can hold their head high.
Reading the description, C31-B had the presence of mind to strike the 2nd alarm and get trucks on the road before arriving, instead of getting there and going "oh, s**t! I need a 2nd alarm!"
I get your man power problems ,we all have that but no supply line on a Obvious working fire .I do believe the Chief call for a 2 Alarm . Common sense training
@@EyeWatchThemAll except no one had the presence of mind to put the fire out
This is the way I see it. 1. When they pulled up everything in that house was already lost. 2. They kept it from spreading to the other houses. 3. Everyone went home. = Fine job by all. PS all fires can be done a little differently and better once you look at them. That is no different from any department, you always learn on every incident.
This is the most reasonable comment I’ve gotten on this video so far.
I won’t sit here and say I definitely knew what conditions were on the inside or rear of the residence, however from what I could tell, fire had spread through much of the house. While it wasn’t immediately visible on the exterior of the house, I could see visible flames from the windows. For context, I arrived only about 5-7 minutes after the initial call was put out.
It’s not my place or area of expertise to say whether what they did was right or wrong, but I can say that at the end of the day, the fire was contained to the residence and the exposures remained protected despite the circumstances, and no one was injured.
Also, thank you for commenting this.
Not having all of the information that the I.C. had at the beginning and not being able to see all 4 sides of the structure, it is difficult to second guess what should or should not have been done. First of all, the time of day is a very difficult time to have a full response of manpower. Second, there did not appear to be sufficient interior people to make any kind of offensive attack. Third (as was already mentioned) the fire intensity may have determined the defensive attack. I did not observe any attempt to enter the structure to assess fire involvement, but once the first floor obtained oxygen, it lit up quite quickly.
@@lewther7963 Like you are the expert. If you really are a firefighter you should know better than to bash a brother.
I agree. You need to critique fires to learn from them. Looking at fires without being critical , you won't get better. That's not to say demean anyone, just watch and see what can be done bettere next time.
Exactly right.
No reason not to get water with the first engine, WTF ???
What you are talking about
There were two lines working the fire before camera operator even got to the house at the 3 minute mark
@@virgilhilts3924 we can all see this department sucks - no need to defend their horrible job
Good video ! But was there a manpower shortage? Why so long get a hose going ? Good job on the blitz attack with the ladder !
Multiple lines were out and attacking the fire well before the three minute mark
Stop making yourself look stupid
@@virgilhilts3924 don’t see those other lines in the video?
@@littlehuey5679
Because you have no clue what you are even looking at
Staffing issues aside, they had established a water supply to the quint but it took them 9:58 to get a master stream flowing. Why not start with the deck gun on the pumper & switch to the quint was it was ready to flow? Big fire = big water. To me that’s a leadership deficiency.
When they arrived, the fire was majorly contained to the rear of the residence, so their attention was directed back there with 2 lines.
I wish I had some genuine answers for you as to what was done and why but unfortunately I'm not acquainted with any of these individuals so I can't really ask around. I won't say you're wrong with your assessment, and you do make some very legitimate points.
Because that isn't how fires like this are fought
Kadin, great job getting this video. Thanks
Thank you for watching.
Question: are the firemen supposed to be in full uniform before arriving at scene? And are they trained to have a routine who does what where when, all that. I can only go on what I see here, and it looks bad. Just asking, let me know please.
Generally speaking yes, you should be dressed by the time you pull up to a scene. As for the routine part, most of the time yes. Everyone typically has a pre-determined job or assignment for when you arrive on the scene of a fire.
The angle at which I recorded at doesn't really do these guys justice, so it's partially on me for showing it that way. In my own opinion based on the conditions that were experienced at this particular fire, they did a fine job. Much of the actual firefighting efforts were going on off-camera or in the rear of the house.
If your arriving at fh and just have time to grab your gear and jump on truck then no you won't arrive with gear on. Seat belts required in rigs so you can't change on the way
@@jgaff1038 thank you. I have things I don't know and ask to learn. I Bless all who risk their lives for us. Thank you .
Thanks for the video, your still photos are great
Thank you!
Feel so bad for the owners.
What was the reason units were initially dispatched to respond to their stations and stand-by?
Department 53 is a neighboring department. For most first alarm fires in Department 31's district, 53 is placed on stand-by to be able to respond directly into the scene within an expedited amount of time (if need be), and likely for coverage purposes. On the second alarm, Department 53 was summoned directly to the scene.
This is one hell of a bad fire. The only good thing was the houses weren't close together. With the attic on fire, there's no way for an interior attack due to possible collapse. In addition to that, other hazards such as the power lines made this fire pretty bad. That engine bringing the supply should not have parked under the power lines. This is too bad because it seemed to be a pretty nice neighborhood and some poor family literally lost everything. I sure hope they're doing better now. It's great to live with great first responders. We don't know how lucky we truly are. I sure feel bad for this family.
All firefighters deserve a lot of support, because they risk their lives to help others.
to save others*
@@JB91710 I think your curt reply to Pete T is totally uncalled for. Of course All firefighters throughout the world DO deserve a lot of support, especially the volunteers. Would YOU go into a flame filled house to attempt to rescue someone or limit the damage? I suspect not. You would probably be one of those idiots who laugh as you watch the destruction of people's lives. I sincerely hope you will never need firefighters' help. It's YOU who lives in La La Land - Grow up.
Of course you are right Pete. I have written a strong rebuke to JB91710 's rude reply to you.
@@alancoldicott391 Thanks Alan, at least you know what I mean
@@alancoldicott391 I really appreciate your supportive words, thank you Alan👍
In my opinion, the house was not a total lost when they pulled up. Possibly could have made entry through the front door or at least vented. Hoping the green men made sure everyone was out of the house. Everyone was around the back and no one in front. Video could be used for a tactics class.
I agree, and thank you for speaking calmly and reasonably, unlike most other comments.
The guys in green are with the street department/public works and had presumably stopped to help about 30 seconds or so before I started recording. But to answer your question, I believe law enforcement had confirmed with the homeowner that the residence had been evacuated and relayed that to incident command.
Way to long to get water on the fire. Where is the % inch supply line? Way too long to get the ladder up and going... More of a surround and drowned attack....
It's a short staffed volly dept. I said the same thing...but when short staffed, aggressive interior attack isn't always an option. Additionally, many VFD's or partial VFD's have exterior only FF's which may have contributed to the zero interior attack.
So the engines dont have water on board?
What are you talking about?
I wish the makers of these videos would turn commenting off. Too many keyboard warriors and arm chair firefighters all the time. These firefighters did an excellent job.
While I am inclined to agree with you, I prefer to leave the comments on to allow for discussion, debates, and questions. I believe it's important to have these conversations on what was done right, what was done wrong, and what can be improved on, as this will allow people to potentially learn and better themselves in the future. The Monday Morning Quarterbacking is just an unfortunate side effect to leaving the comments on.
Why didn't the fire police try to arrest the flames?
Who were all the guys in the day-glo jackets standing around?
I believe they were public works employees who happened to be driving around nearby and stopped by to help.
Does anyone know how we can help the family
As far as I know, I haven’t seen any fundraising or anything of the sorts for the homeowner.
I'd be interested to know if the home was in foreclosure, divorce, etc. The entire structure eventually lit up. Aggressively too.
You raise some pretty interesting questions.
While I don't have any answers, nor do I know if the fire investigators have released their findings, I did pick up on some hearsay at the fire scene from other spectators stating the fire may have been caused by a vehicle catching fire in the rear of the house, hence why the rear went up first. Whether or not that was the case, I don't know. I also dig a little research into the property and I believe it may have been rented out at the time, if I'm not mistaken. That may also be a factor in this incident.
I don't think it is any of your business.
@@brianb8516 to risk other people and firefighters lives is reason enough. There are definitely people that do this and that's why question is asked. Fire burning good is also a reason to question
Add home fire sprinkler's on the rebuild.
Great catch . Move around some next time please . I can not believe it took the 3rd or 4th truck in to lay a supply line the first two trucks passed a hydrant and neither on lay in . Poor judgment on officers you can see the fire pulling up and you know your ladder has 500 gallons or less and you second truck has made a 1000 or 750
I would be very interested to have a running commentary with a video like this, explaining what is being done as it is done. My supposition is that there really is some science in fighting a fire. I doubt that firefighters show up and just randomly start throwing water on a fire. How do they decide where to put the water? What are the criteria for deciding to try to save one part of a structure and not another, or attacking at one point first? I would not dare even start to critique the work on this fire. It looks to me like they pulled up to a completely involved structure and in about fifteen minutes had it dark. But I'd like to know just how they did it, and how they decided to mount an attack as they did.
It's actually funny you mention this concept. I have been recently experimenting with and contemplating an almost identical idea where I will continue to upload normal videos like I am now and also simultaneously upload the same video with the exception being in the second one, I (to the best of my ability) attempt to provide an in-depth breakdown of who's doing what and why. While it's hard for me to accomplish such as I don't have direct access to view or hear about the specific tactics employed on specific incidents, I can still try to break it down.
Thank you for the idea, I'll be sure to consider it for my future videos.
@@kadinwilliams I look forward to seeing what you can do. Yes, it has got to be very difficult, but even a partial success would be welcome.
@@louisc.gasper7588 Stockton Fire Department's youtube does a great job explaining what's going on as well as using helmet camera footage so you can better see what's going on from the interior perspective if you're interested in that stuff.
Science in fire fighting? You put the wet stuff on the red stuff (jk). We couldn't see the C-side of the building but seen from the smoke and heat pattern the seat of the fire seems to be there and was quickly attacked from the outside. The fire was already blowing out of the roof quickly after arrival and no close up exposures. Therefore no use to put FF in danger in an interior attack. Defensive was the right call imho.
@@michaelv.1107 "wet stuff on the red stuff" IS science! Wet stuff takes away the heat and prevents the fuel from feeding the fire.
@Kadin Williams From watching fire UA-cam videos, I've learned that the MAJORITY of comments are hateful and very disrespectful. Most claiming to be experts/veteran firemen/women. You'll end up blocking hundreds. A lot of channels just turn them off due to the headache. It's sad, but understood. Thank you for sharing your area for some of us that like to view content. It's greatly appreciated 🤝
There are no shortage of armchair firefighters and Monday morning quarterbacks on the internet. I am more than welcome to receiving constructive criticism and I'm open to hearing about other peoples experiences, techniques, or suggestions when it comes to firefighting however, I truly have no interest in receiving pure hatred and negativity, especially when they're directed to organizations I don't even represent or associate myself with. At this point, I don't read or process any of the hate comments and I just delete them right away to save myself and everyone else the headache.
I appreciate the kind words, it truly means a lot. Thank you.
@@JB91710 assuming you’re replying to my previous comment, the armchair firefighters association complaining on my channel has no effect on how these local agencies conduct their operations. You’re effectively just writing into a guy with a camera complaining about something he has nothing to do with.
I’m combatting the people who are dropping their very poorly formed opinions because they don’t have a legitimate understanding of the specific conditions from this incident.
It’s not my job to teach these people how to do what they do. I also hold no obligation to hear the comments of random people on the internet.
In summary, you’re preaching to someone who isn’t interested in receiving negative commentary.
It seems that with these house fires, they are so involved that there is no saving it. As far as these arm chair comments go, we are not there so we don't know why a fire company is slow to put out a fire.
@@JB91710 not a necessary comment at all man. you are building cars in you garage dude, which is great, but being rude to this dude makes you look and sound dick-ish. He didn’t attack anyone. He was actually being very nice.
No ground attack until 13 min in?
It happened within the first minute or so of recording, just not visible to the camera as it took place in the rear.
Im no fire fighter but shouldnt they have kept the second truck behind the tower in case they need to use the deck gun?
No, they avoided placing any trucks there out of concern for the wires from the house coming down. Hence why that area was coned off later on in the video.
At 9:51 there is a fireman walking slowly with a hose going back and forth at the back of the ladder truck trying figure out where to attach the hose
What you describe did not happen. Not at 9:51 at least.
@@markevan1 Starts around 9:21. Kind of a riot actually. Lost among the trucks. LOL
Starts around 9:21. Kind of a riot actually.
any word on what the cause was?
No word as of yet.
As a so called paid FF, I tilt my hat to our brothers and sisters in endwell volunteer department. We are the same people fighting the same issues.... Fire!!!
12:15 Where did that kid come from? 😁
What are all these tones for? . . . I hope they don't wait that long for them to finish.
Every few tones represents a single department in the county. I personally haven’t really questioned as to whether or not this system is efficient.
To answer your question, no they typically don’t wait until they’re completed to respond. As far as I know, they go as soon as they’re ready to go.
Was anyone home or did a neighbor notice this?
What was the cause of the fire,,?
Great clear vid and nice pics of the house beforehand.
Thanks Sir!!
If I'm not mistaken, the call came directly from the homeowner who may have been home when the fire started. As for the cause, no official cause has been released but the unofficial hearsay is that a vehicle parked under a rear deck caught fire, igniting the rest of the house. Whether or not that was actually the case, I don't know.
Also, thank you and thank you for watching!
Thank you Kadin Sir.
That was very awsome of you to provide that in depth explanation!!
Much appreciated! Keep up the grrreat work.
Have a nice summer!!
Kev
Ps as a Licensed Electrical Contractor all my life in northern New Jersey, I've seen a load of electrical house fires!!
Thank God I never caused one!!!!!!
K... Later Bro
@@kevinlynch1227 Thank you very much, Kevin. Have a nice summer, too!
My Pleasuure and I don't often subscribe or give thumbs up easily. I normally just view.
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I appreciate your channel!
@@kevinlynch1227 greatly appreciated, glad I could provide some good content!
Very nice video!
Thank you!
Although they preformed well on this fire this department gets a f and a major fail for the day. I see fire fighters on a hand line not masked up and not on air. They aren't even wearing packs. I don't care if you are volunteer, part time, professional or a mix you go on air to fight a fire that is producing that much smoke. Heros are the ones who make it home and don't die of cancer 10 years later because they wanted to show they were tough.
The officers on this scene should have made sure their fire fighters were protecting themselves from the smoke. Smh. No excuse.
after watching all these fires on youtube.. be prepared to lose everything if your house catches on fire.
Unfortunately, that's always a looming risk. Hence the importance of fire safety procedures, fire codes, etc.
Does that nozzle not pin to the tip?
I wish I could answer this question however, I don’t know the specs regarding that apparatus or it’s components.
To my knowledge, it does not look like it
Something's telling me that can't just be buffed out
Endwell fire did a very nice job knocking this fire down. Quint was set up and provided a water supply right away while hose lines from an engine were put in operation on Charlie side. The fire fighter operating the stick did a nice job knocking the fire down. Firefighters on ground lines need to be a little more careful in the collapse zone of a structure when a master stream is in operation. Overall, nice job Endwell
Plus the front door is still closed, open all the air ways to get the smoke out of the building so firefighters can see where to go to put out the fire!! Just standing around and not doing there best at what they are trained for
I don’t think you realize how bad the conditions on the interior actually were. Not every incident is an aggressive interior attack. The interior of the house at the point of arrival was already rolling, hence the exterior only hit.
On my department, we were trained not to open the doors unless we're doing an interior attack (which obviously is out of the question here). By opening the doors, you're creating a more accessible way for the fire to suck in oxygen and become more dangerous.
Just like you, fire craves oxygen, and the more you give it, the bigger it gets. Opening that front door and/or other exterior openings would have expedited the outcome you saw. Making an opening in the roof, (vertical ventilation) would have been a better alternative, as it releases the superheated gasses and toxic smoke and increases visibility inside the structure if at the time it was deemed safe to do so. Seemed like the attic was already well involved though, and they probably wanted to avoid the risk of firefighters falling through the roof. That, and vertical ventilation serves no real purpose when you take a defensive strategy either.
Plenty of videos on venting fires. You open front door and keep it open while firefighters in a 2nd floor room are working. Chances are windows are all broken. Have you ever scene a rocket stove. You put fire at the bottom of a vertical pipe or something 3 or 4ft long. Have only one way for air to enter. Basically a wood burning stove and flu pipe. As fire gets hot it sucks air and vents the top. The hotter fire gets there will be hot hot heat. Same in a building if opened door and 1 room venting broken windows. The fire and heat will follow the easier route and in no time your in trouble
Hopefully the power is cut to the house. The one guy keeps standing under the power line
why did it take 10 minutes for water from the ladder to get on the house. far to slow, in my opinion. no attack hoses from the front either. could have been handled alot better. and yes i am a fire fighter from Australia
Read the other comments and your questions will be answered.
Just thinking out loud....at what point do you know all is lost and "just let it burn" crosses you mind? Save on dumpster costs for the demo crew. Sure I feel for the owners but I doubt there was anything to save after seeing full fire in all three levels of that bi-level.
So many questions
Sure seemed too take a l o n g time to get a second line on the fire.Too late by then IMHO
Multiple lines were out and attacking the fire well before the three minute mark
Stop making yourself look stupid
I like how the chief called second alarm cause u never now what you are getting into.
to also point out at this point the fire is through the roof so what i would have done was talk to the chief and had busted the window to reduce the heat inside the house.
No offense fire fighting could have saved most of the structure if they had gained entry but they didn’t possible they could have saved more by pulling ceilings on interior but they went with the surround and drowned tactics and it didn’t ENDWELL
I recently took the time to go back and review this video to see what had and hadn't happened during this fire.
What I've deduced is that; by the time the first arriving apparatus (Quint 31) arrived, the fire had already spread into much of the interior (while that's not entirely visible from the angle of the camera), with the whole rear of the house being well-involved. If memory serves me correctly, Quint 31 only had roughly 2 interior qualified firefighters at the time. Given the lack of staffing, they were too severely undermanned to try to go inside and fight 4 whole floors of fire (basement to attic). While this next bit is mostly unconfirmed, one can imagine that command made the decision to attack the side of the house that was entirely engulfed in fire, that being the entire rear of the house. By the time the second (Squad 25) and third (Engine 31-1) apparatus arrived, one can reasonably deduce that the interior of the house was too far gone based on the conditions displayed from the exterior.
In summary, I wouldn't boil the outcome of this fire wholly down to poor tactics or decision-making skills, more so the unfortunate effects of the continued decline of volunteer firefighters in New York State, and the United States as a whole. I do believe that if they had more interior-qualified firefighters on scene upon first arrival, this house could've potentially been saved.
Glad the firefighters avoided the collapse. Glad there were no injuries.
Not hard to avoid it when you never went near the house let alone inside
Always hard to watch partly because I always worry if pets are in the home.
I agree, it's always a concern. If it provides any consolation, as far as I know there were no pets or people in the house at the time of the fire.
I see a lot of UA-cam videos of major American fires like this, but considering the size of the Nation, are they really more rare? If they are regular, is that because a lot of the homes are built of highly combustible material? The fires always seem to have gone out of control before the fire brigades arrive. Is that because there should be more fire stations so the appliances don't have to travel so far?
Most modern homes in the United States are filled with more combustible materials than they were a few decades ago. This and the fact that they’re more often than not built with wood. It’s commonly taught here that many years ago, people had up to 30 minutes to escape a house fire, nowadays that number is down to just 3 minutes (or so). The station placements usually aren’t the problem. It’s moreso a lack of full time personnel. Roughly 70% of all firefighters in the U.S. are volunteer, and more often than not those volunteers are responding in from home when calls come in, which adds on an extra 5+ minutes to the existing response time from station to scene.
It’s the product of many different unfortunate factors.
@@kadinwilliams Thank you Kadin. That actually confirms what I had been thinking. I noticed one of your posts below refers to the spread of hatred and couldn't agree more with you. I wrote a strongly worded reply to a person who wrote a nasty comment to someone who was praising firefighters. I hope you will not think of me as spreading hatred, just trying to correct someone who obviously was.
@@alancoldicott391 I appreciate you writing that, thank you.
They don't have the luxury of time, to do what you're asking. Maybe find another source for an answer.
Great job from this fire dept. When a fire has the chance to spread like this one did before the first Eng. Co. got there. You can only do the best you can do to knock the fire down ! I commend each
of these firefighter's for a job well done !!
At least the homes aren't on top of each other.
Very sad. It looked like a nice house.
Agreed, incredibly unfortunate all around.
Initially 2 apparatus on scene; 1 ladder & 1 engine. Assuming only 2 firefighters not much can be done. They could have teamed up to stretch a line if there was water on board the engine but probably not SOP. 2nd engine with water and help gives them a fighting chance. A volunteer department is handicapped from the get-go. Guys do the best they can. Homeowners need to recognize this and accept the personal risk of this happening in the middle of the night.
To shed a bit of context; the first in aerial is volunteer. The first in engine who came in right after them is from a neighboring career department, who responded as the RIT team. What can’t be seen (very well) in the video is one line coming off the quint right after their arrival, and a backup line coming off the engine (squad) right after their arrival. Both lines went straight to the rear, which was well-involved at the time.
I wholeheartedly agree with what you’re saying, unfortunately the reality is most modern day volunteer departments seemingly aren’t capable to respond at the same capacity of career departments. Despite what the majority of the comments under this video have been in opposition of what they did on this incident, I’ll continue to defend their actions as I believe they did the best they could with what little they were given.
Edit: I went on a bit of a tangent on this reply but like I said, I agree with what you said. Thank you for commenting. I appreciate hearing feedback from others.
SO SORRY FOR THIS FAMILY BUT THIS IS AN OLDER HOME AND IT SEEMS IT WENT UP RATHER QUICKLY AND AT SOME POINT ITS HOPELESS
Amazing how fast house fires spread. I thought a person would have time to grab a few things. I am very wrong.
Yeah, that's why it's a good idea to have things like Rx drugs, important pictures, pet food/carriers and jewelry in an area that you can grab and go if you're home. At the very least, toss stuff out the windows, all important documents should be copied and originals kept in a safety deposit box. Keep in mind you will lose some things you'll never recover. Just worry about family, pets and necessary Rx drugs to get you by.
Definitely from what I saw a good portion was engulfed in flames about 3 mins into the
Continuation, about 3 minutes into the video and appears the home sadly was completely destroyed
@@Mark-iv7np I guess it's best just to get out QUICK.
Watching your home burn is one of the worst things to deal with. Been there, done that.
Intense man, intense.
those paid or volunteer firefighter like me and to those who don't know we try harded then u think to fight them that sometimes means waking up in the middle of the night early morning at night like 1,2,3,4,5 in the morning we try to get there.
The fire seemed like it went up like toothpicks !! One part is on fire, then the next thing you know the whole front was on fire then the next side!! Wonder if this was arson
It did go up pretty quick. I'm curious as to what the cause was, too. I imagine they'll release it somewhat soon.
I think newer houses go up much faster. Low density wood, more plastics, more vinyl, truss framed roof are like kindling.
This just happen to me and my babies, I'm lost 😔
I’m very sorry to hear you had to experience this and I wish you nothing but the best..
Great job on a heavily involved fire. When it gets this bad, defensive is the best measure. Very heavy fire and it spread quickly; glad everyone was safe. Great job by all involved.
Well now that didn’t end well. 13 minutes into the video before any water on the front.
🙄
Way too slow getting the wet stuff on the hot stuff. My department would have, immediately on arrival pulled two attack lines, went thru the front door and attacked the fire. we would not have waited for the hydrant to be hooked up. We would have at least exhausted the water on the truck and by then the hydrant would be hooked up. Lots of firefighters walking back and forth like they did not know what to do. in my opinion this was caused by inadequate leadership. They lost the structure, which could have been saved with a couple hand lines.
I appreciate you providing your opinion on this matter, I believe there's always something new to learn from every incident.
Although, there was water on the fire within the first few moments of recording. Unfortunately, it wasn't visible from my angle of recording but a handline went to the Charlie side of the residence almost immediately after the arrival of the first piece.
Took some time to get a hose in front of the house
Manpower constraints, I’d say. The first few lines went right off to the rear because at that point the rear was fully involved or close to it.
What a cluster.. ONSCENE 10 MINUTES UNTIL ANY REAL WATER ON THE FIRE.
It’s abundantly clear you didn’t make any effort to observe anything going on in the first portion of the video. There was water on the fire in under a minute after arrival, as proven by the steam rolling off the back of the house (where the majority of the fire was).
This is not going to "endwell"
Water helps to put out a fire. Six minutes into the video before a hose was taken out!
Multiple lines were out and attacking the fire well before the three minute mark
Stop making yourself look stupid
The house in unfortunately a total loss.
Everything except that giant green bush that is pictured in the beginning of the video…then again at the end of the video, this time with the powerlines draped over it…still untouched, while the rest of the home and landscaping is gone.🥺
that has to be the most annoying tone out ever.
To each their own, I think they’re pretty cool sounding. 😁
Great job by FDs. Looks like a home built maybe 70 or 80s. Fast growth wood meaning burns easy and quick. But there are people that could do it quicker and my advice to them. Stay in the basement and help mom by switching clothes into dryer. Don't forget the lint trap and be good to mommy
Absolutely, as a carpenter for forty years, I can see that "newer" wood, with fat annual growth rings, weighs less, burns faster. Much lower density wood. Newer houses also often use truss framing which to me, is kindling. Also more use of vinyls, plastics, thinner materials. Seemed like this house went up pretty quickly.
@@AyeCarumba221 I agree. When the heat gets into attic if not attacked quickly, guarantees a quick burn and collapse. Lots of new construction videos of framed out apartment or condo buildings. They are quickly turned into a campfire
This is a story that doesn't endwell....
such a beautiful home too.
now, nothing left.
it was really distressing to watch the fire eat its way through the house. i could only imagine what would be going through the minds of the neighbors.
it seemed to me that the fire crews took a bit more time than necessary to get into position for the attack, but i’m not going to question their judgment. they were faced with a virtually impossible position.
that they risked their lives in this is enough to show their dedication.
Fire crew must wait for the hydro and gas to be turned off before they can pour water on the structure! It would be a big mistake to put water on live electrical wires in the house.
@@mikegerich1993 yes, i know, and those can’t be done instantly.
Another chimney saved!