@@MarzTalksSports This season they are even better, you guys hatin' like mfs. Specially you Marz, I see you are a real hater, either of Mavs or Luka, but probably both. At least Chill admiting to it.
@@MarzTalksSports It doesn't really matter, its not your problem but its mine, I shouldn't be triggered when people don't like the same team/thing as I do.
Its gotten to the point where you just can’t have a real convo with Chill about none of his guys. The whole randle thing was just bad and then he topped it off saying Tatum has been close to Giannis. It’s just bad man 😂
Chill hates the fact that Wemby has a chance to challenge Bron , every chance he gets he talks down on Wemby, earlier in the season he was saying “he will be great just not right now” but now that Wemby has warmed up its “isnt this what we all expected ?? “ 😂
That doesn't make sense when he literally said he will easily get in because Bron is not an all NBA player this year. Are we watching the same show? Lmao.
@@reimeralgabre2986you don’t understand he always talking down on Wemby because he don’t want Anthony chellenging Lebron in the future. Lebron could end his career today and he would still be the GOAT and Chill knows it so everything from now on in Year 22 is bonus
How you gonna say Luka is the worst defender in the league (of all time maybe) and the biggest reason is his effort. Then you go and say Randle can actually play defense but his effort isn’t there like wth is the difference lmao. Also NAW bad on defense? CHILL DONT BE WATCHING GAMES!!!!
had to defend my guy NAW i feel he been one of the wolves best players this year. especially relative to role id argue hes been their second best player
@@Sawyer_Bennettsounds like Tatum hate to me. If Tatum continues to produce the numbers he is at right now and Boston wins 60+ wins, idgaf if Giannis and Joker BOTH avg a triple double for the season, Tatum still would deserve it more than them. You take Tatum off this team, they win 40-45 games at best.
So with Luka who’s biggest issue is effort and that makes Luka the “worse defender ever” but Julius Randle who’s biggest issue is “effort” and chill just says “that’s an effort thing that’s all” he then blames everyone except Randle so What is it chil does effort matter as much as you say it does or is it only based of what players you like and dislike
The Raptors are 5-6 with Barnes and would be 6-5 if not for Nikola Jokić knocking out Scottie in the final minute of the game. Putting him on this graphic is nasty work.
This is Deji Vu for the Warriors like last season, but with more wins. Started out good, then started regressing by Week 5 or Week 6. And ended up in the play-in
This comment isnt directly to you Ox. I think you've been consistent on what kind of players you like the most : Good on one side of the ball, but try/compete on the other side. But with Luka i think we are going on a slippery slope like we did bron, Kobe, harden, KD, etc... When a narrative emerges (right or wrong), we tend to stick with it, even when the evidences (stats or eye-test) show otherwise. Since the final Lukas rep has been damaged: if there is a game where on 10 possessions he competes for 8 of them but dies on 2 defensively, his haters/doubters are going to run with the 2. Look at how Skip bayless started the Bron a clutch shit. To this day, a lot of fans agree with that. Narratives like: "Kobe is a shot chucker", "Harden is a bad defender" or "KD is soft" are still alive in 2024. If Luka dies on defense, highlight it. When he doesnt and compete also highlight it. Same with other players. GOOD SHOW AS ALWAYS PC
I know it’s not directly at me but I’d like to respond bro. I’ve always said Luka was terrible on defense even before last season. I do think it’s unfair to say that he never competes but he definitely isn’t competing 80% of the time. Also Kobe was without a doubt a shot CHUCKER lol😂😂
I know it’s not directly at me but I’d like to respond bro. I’ve always said Luka was terrible on defense even before last season. I do think it’s unfair to say that he never competes but he definitely isn’t competing 80% of the time. Also Kobe was without a doubt a shot CHUCKER lol😂😂
25:30 I’m pretty sure the most assists by a duo is actually John Lucas and Johnny Moore on the 1984 spurs with over 20. Magic Johnson and Michael Cooper in the same year with 19 is 2nd I believe. My first guess was Magic and Norm Nixon but it was actually the year he left the Lakers.
@@MarzTalksSports I love it personally. I’m telling you Marz next time you come out here you gotta come eat with me. Don’t trust anybody else with your American culinary experiences.
@@BIGOXMediaI need you to explain to me why Tatum is close to Giannis? Why is it so hard for you and Chill to understand that saying Tatum ≠ Jokic and Giannis doesn’t mean it’s hate? Tatum can be a great player, a top whatever player, but once you’re saying he’s playing to the level of the 2 BITW ofc pushback is going to happen
@@officerricky3230 it’s not hate bruh, when you have one guy claiming he’s playing to the level of Giannis or jokic and then gets pushback rightfully so thats not hate, yall just love Tatum too much, especially chill he can’t get enough of him
@Swipa Would you be interested in Surinamese/Dutch/England history from a Surinamese/Dutch person? If not. I enjoy your basketball takes as a casual, goes double for Marz and Swipa. I like Chill too, not stuck in his ways and somebody you would always be able to find some common ground with
Funny how Tatum on/off numbers are back to normal this year but nobody is going to mention it like they did last year for that anomaly when they tried to say the Celtics were better when Tatum sat. It’s all based on Porzingis being healthy. If he’s healthy the Celtics are great when Tatum sits. When he’s not the Celtics are mid or trash. Even in the playoffs that was true when Porzingis missed most of the time.
@@notmarz45 Anthony Edward’s shot garbage and he still blew a 20 point lead. He couldn’t hit any 3s and he kept shooting them but y’all keep box score watching we watched that game. Jokic wasn’t perfect at all
Swipa underrates Tatum, he is 100% closer to the top 5 than top 10-ish. On the other hand Chill overrates him too much: if Giannis is a 9/10, tatum is a 7/10.
@@josueselengembuly3697 That's what i said. 90% from the FT is way way higher than 70%. I think Tatum is a very good player, Giannis is just better. Simple
Chill, your bias is very scary. For Jason Tatum, yes, I troll sometimes, but I don't think he is as bad as everyone else. I think he is between a top 8 to 10 player in the league. We've got to think about it, but we've got to tell the truth. Giannis and Jokic have been playing above and beyond everyone else, smashing records and being offensive forces. That is scary. I believe nobody deserves that MVP award but them. So if you agree with Marz/Swipa that if the others win the MVP because of team wins, then get rid of the award because then they wouldn't be the definition of the Most Valuable Player award.
@@MarzTalksSports lol shit asks Stevie wonder bout that, I’m just talkin bout hoops. Every players has flaws Marz & you all of people know that. It comes down to what you value in a player & I don’t think Giannis is head & shoulders above KD as a basketball player. Nor do I think Joker is head & shoulders above Shai.
@@youngty7174 Bro Giannis has been way worse on defense this year and as a big his offensive game isn’t nearly as valuable as a three point shot creator. I don’t care what the percentage at the rim are or his fluky midrange jumper. Tatum is also having one of his best defensive seasons…his archetype is more valuable. Celtics are mid without him.
swipa : “he took 20 shots he didn’t take a backseat , dmitch took a backseat” ……. shootin 19 to 20+ shots a game dis year but tatum ain take a backseat last year after goin from 30 to 26.9? swipa jus a pickin n choosin ahh niqqa😂💯
Why is it so hard to give the MVP to the best player on the best team? Not to mention the best player on the best team is a legit top 5-8 player in the league.
The gap between Giannis and Tatum is the same Gap between Michael Jordan and Drexler.
And the gape between J and Drex was actually a lot closer than yall are willing to admit or maybe you’re just misinformed about how good Clyde was.
@@BIGOXMediait like the gap between jokic and sabonis it not even close
@@BIGOXMediaTo compare drex to J is to underestimate Jordan. That's like comparing Tatum to Gianni's straight disrespect.
@@BIGOXMedia Clyde was great but it wasnt remotely close there was no debate to be had about those two.
@ lol if you say so
i think thats the best power ranking weve done ever
Mavs 10th? The Champions of the West?
well last season isnt relevant
@@MarzTalksSports This season they are even better, you guys hatin' like mfs. Specially you Marz, I see you are a real hater, either of Mavs or Luka, but probably both. At least Chill admiting to it.
oh im a hater of dallas or luka,nice how u get to that conclusion
@@MarzTalksSports It doesn't really matter, its not your problem but its mine, I shouldn't be triggered when people don't like the same team/thing as I do.
Its gotten to the point where you just can’t have a real convo with Chill about none of his guys. The whole randle thing was just bad and then he topped it off saying Tatum has been close to Giannis. It’s just bad man 😂
sayin tatum been close to giannis is not crazy dey both havin career seasons
@@ghostglockChristian Braun is having a career season too. He hasn’t been close to Darius Garland.
@@ghostglockSo that’s a valid statement to you?
@@ghostglock😂😂 Tatum from Boston??
To Giannis from Milwaukee???
Nowhere near
@ so one all time talent is having a career year and another top 100-150 talent is having a career year and thats not crazy?
Chill hates the fact that Wemby has a chance to challenge Bron , every chance he gets he talks down on Wemby, earlier in the season he was saying “he will be great just not right now” but now that Wemby has warmed up its “isnt this what we all expected ?? “ 😂
That doesn't make sense when he literally said he will easily get in because Bron is not an all NBA player this year. Are we watching the same show? Lmao.
@@reimeralgabre2986you don’t understand he always talking down on Wemby because he don’t want Anthony chellenging Lebron in the future. Lebron could end his career today and he would still be the GOAT and Chill knows it so everything from now on in Year 22 is bonus
Love Chill but he consistently does this thing where he will let expectations create bias in his opinions.
i agree i tried to allude to that today
@@MarzTalksSportsMight have to switch your strategy maybe maybe subtlety isn't for chill
@notmarz45 it wasn't very subtle lol
How you gonna say Luka is the worst defender in the league (of all time maybe) and the biggest reason is his effort. Then you go and say Randle can actually play defense but his effort isn’t there like wth is the difference lmao. Also NAW bad on defense? CHILL DONT BE WATCHING GAMES!!!!
had to defend my guy NAW i feel he been one of the wolves best players this year. especially relative to role id argue hes been their second best player
@ I’m always here for some Randle slander
@MarzTalksSports it's so hard to see NAW working so hard consistently on defense. And than watch Randle throw it all away
@ hey man atleast Randle can always fall back on he can defend but just doesn’t give effort
The media is pushing this Jayson Tatum MVP because they want an American to win MVP. Jokic and Giannis clear
It’s their record
Winning matter though
He’s having a career year literally carrying the celtics offense and defense if they win 60+ yall just gonna have to hate from the couch
@@bigmo3692he shouldn’t win it if he isn’t close to Giannis and Jokic level of producing and if they are top 6 seeds
@@Sawyer_Bennettsounds like Tatum hate to me. If Tatum continues to produce the numbers he is at right now and Boston wins 60+ wins, idgaf if Giannis and Joker BOTH avg a triple double for the season, Tatum still would deserve it more than them. You take Tatum off this team, they win 40-45 games at best.
So with Luka who’s biggest issue is effort and that makes Luka the “worse defender ever” but Julius Randle who’s biggest issue is “effort” and chill just says “that’s an effort thing that’s all” he then blames everyone except Randle so What is it chil does effort matter as much as you say it does or is it only based of what players you like and dislike
The Raptors are 5-6 with Barnes and would be 6-5 if not for Nikola Jokić knocking out Scottie in the final minute of the game.
Putting him on this graphic is nasty work.
Glad to see u back bro . Condolences to the family 💪🏾💪🏾
Swipa wanted to hate on the Mavs so bad 🤣
This is Deji Vu for the Warriors like last season, but with more wins. Started out good, then started regressing by Week 5 or Week 6. And ended up in the play-in
Glad you back OG hope everything ight
This comment isnt directly to you Ox. I think you've been consistent on what kind of players you like the most : Good on one side of the ball, but try/compete on the other side. But with Luka i think we are going on a slippery slope like we did bron, Kobe, harden, KD, etc... When a narrative emerges (right or wrong), we tend to stick with it, even when the evidences (stats or eye-test) show otherwise. Since the final Lukas rep has been damaged: if there is a game where on 10 possessions he competes for 8 of them but dies on 2 defensively, his haters/doubters are going to run with the 2.
Look at how Skip bayless started the Bron a clutch shit. To this day, a lot of fans agree with that. Narratives like: "Kobe is a shot chucker", "Harden is a bad defender" or "KD is soft" are still alive in 2024.
If Luka dies on defense, highlight it. When he doesnt and compete also highlight it. Same with other players.
GOOD SHOW AS ALWAYS PC
I know it’s not directly at me but I’d like to respond bro. I’ve always said Luka was terrible on defense even before last season. I do think it’s unfair to say that he never competes but he definitely isn’t competing 80% of the time. Also Kobe was without a doubt a shot CHUCKER lol😂😂
I know it’s not directly at me but I’d like to respond bro. I’ve always said Luka was terrible on defense even before last season. I do think it’s unfair to say that he never competes but he definitely isn’t competing 80% of the time. Also Kobe was without a doubt a shot CHUCKER lol😂😂
W Harden fc
25:30 I’m pretty sure the most assists by a duo is actually John Lucas and Johnny Moore on the 1984 spurs with over 20. Magic Johnson and Michael Cooper in the same year with 19 is 2nd I believe. My first guess was Magic and Norm Nixon but it was actually the year he left the Lakers.
thankyou for this
W ball knowledge
@@farhansarkar2394 I did not know this off the top of my head lol, just knew a decent place to start looking with those 80s lakers teams
@@BigSalmon13 W basketball reference
Ox hates Giannis and jokic lmaooooo
Naw I’m just not as impressed as yall are. I’m not impressed by steak and lobster but that doesn’t mean I hate it, I just prefer veal and swordfish.
swordfish nice?
@@MarzTalksSports I love it personally. I’m telling you Marz next time you come out here you gotta come eat with me. Don’t trust anybody else with your American culinary experiences.
@@BIGOXMediaI need you to explain to me why Tatum is close to Giannis? Why is it so hard for you and Chill to understand that saying Tatum ≠ Jokic and Giannis doesn’t mean it’s hate? Tatum can be a great player, a top whatever player, but once you’re saying he’s playing to the level of the 2 BITW ofc pushback is going to happen
Can't compare them two all time GREATS to bum ass tatum it's not a convo to even spark bro 😂
Go Blue and W show W Harden
Fade all Ron predictions 😂😂😂
Chill and Swipa finding any way to hate on Embiid and the Sixers. They up there making up a whole new list criteria just to put us at the bottom 💀
No need to create a new list of criteria when they are just straight up doo doo. As much as I want the Sixers to win, they just always disappoint me.
@@JDot301 we are trash. Should be at the bottom regardless of criteria
@BigSalmon13 That's my point we know the team bad already they don't gotta keep coming up with new ways to trash us we in shambles as is💀
Blind ranking 2nd best episode this week
Tatum hate is a little force.
like da shi is gettin ridiculous 😂💯
I've just got here .. is it swipa again??
Facts
It's not hate to say he isn't as good as giannis or jokic
@@officerricky3230 it’s not hate bruh, when you have one guy claiming he’s playing to the level of Giannis or jokic and then gets pushback rightfully so thats not hate, yall just love Tatum too much, especially chill he can’t get enough of him
02 Mavs vs 13 Warriors who y’all got?
mavs
@@MarzTalksSports Warriors in 7 Carl Landry cooking everybody lol
Shoutout james fucking harden bro. He IS the system. Marz PLEASE keep singing this mans praises cos damn sure no one else will
@Swipa
Would you be interested in Surinamese/Dutch/England history from a Surinamese/Dutch person? If not.
I enjoy your basketball takes as a casual, goes double for Marz and Swipa. I like Chill too, not stuck in his ways and somebody you would always be able to find some common ground with
Funny how Tatum on/off numbers are back to normal this year but nobody is going to mention it like they did last year for that anomaly when they tried to say the Celtics were better when Tatum sat. It’s all based on Porzingis being healthy. If he’s healthy the Celtics are great when Tatum sits. When he’s not the Celtics are mid or trash. Even in the playoffs that was true when Porzingis missed most of the time.
Giannis and Jokic very clearly have a gap between the rest of the nba. The bias is ridiculous we all have eyes
chill just exposed that he box score watches a lot, when yall was talking about Harden
jokic can blow a 20 point game 7 lead and mfs can still glaze df out him …. let tatum do det mann omm we wouldn’t hear da end of it
Maybe cuz ones better and not on a borderline super team
@@notmarz45I swear these people act like they have birdbrains😂😂😂
@@notmarz45 Anthony Edward’s shot garbage and he still blew a 20 point lead. He couldn’t hit any 3s and he kept shooting them but y’all keep box score watching we watched that game. Jokic wasn’t perfect at all
@@thegreat1885 I never said he was, jokic isn't perfect but he doesn't have to be perfect to be better than Tatum
ah so tatum is now on the same level as jokic??
who here after ant had 8 points and ron put him on the parlay
Swipa underrates Tatum, he is 100% closer to the top 5 than top 10-ish. On the other hand Chill overrates him too much: if Giannis is a 9/10, tatum is a 7/10.
Giannis is miles better than JT sorry
@@josueselengembuly3697 That's what i said. 90% from the FT is way way higher than 70%. I think Tatum is a very good player, Giannis is just better. Simple
Is Marz really 18 ?? I thought he was 23-24
With that hairline prolly 25-27
jalen suggs not 25-27
17 his my son
Harden needs to add the post up to his game, he has a hard time creating separation off the dribble
No he doesn’t
@ Why am I wrong?
He's 50 he's not adding anything soon
@@anthonycelestin3559 the reason he has a hard time creating separation is because he’s 36, outside of Derozan what 6’5 6’6 Guard/ Wing is posting up
Ragebait?
Chill, your bias is very scary. For Jason Tatum, yes, I troll sometimes, but I don't think he is as bad as everyone else. I think he is between a top 8 to 10 player in the league. We've got to think about it, but we've got to tell the truth. Giannis and Jokic have been playing above and beyond everyone else, smashing records and being offensive forces. That is scary. I believe nobody deserves that MVP award but them. So if you agree with Marz/Swipa that if the others win the MVP because of team wins, then get rid of the award because then they wouldn't be the definition of the Most Valuable Player award.
I don’t see a world where Joker & Giannis are just in a class of their own amongst the league, I just don’t see it bro.
i too wonder what living blind is like
You're already in one
@@qupope6955 only time will tell.
@@MarzTalksSports lol shit asks Stevie wonder bout that, I’m just talkin bout hoops. Every players has flaws Marz & you all of people know that. It comes down to what you value in a player & I don’t think Giannis is head & shoulders above KD as a basketball player. Nor do I think Joker is head & shoulders above Shai.
@@birdo9039😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 ur hilarious
There has been a clear gap between Jokic and everyone else. Gianinis is not in that
W RAWN
🔥🔥
Y’all stay overrating Wemby’s offense. His epm numbers are subpar for a reason.
Tatum has been way better than Giannis this season man
At what 😂 that bum shot 0 from 10 a few games ago
At what? Giannis leads in every statistical categories except 3pt%. Everything Tatum does, Giannis does it 2x times better
@@youngty7174 Bro Giannis has been way worse on defense this year and as a big his offensive game isn’t nearly as valuable as a three point shot creator. I don’t care what the percentage at the rim are or his fluky midrange jumper. Tatum is also having one of his best defensive seasons…his archetype is more valuable. Celtics are mid without him.
W marz W sixers
swipa : “he took 20 shots he didn’t take a backseat , dmitch took a backseat” ……. shootin 19 to 20+ shots a game dis year but tatum ain take a backseat last year after goin from 30 to 26.9? swipa jus a pickin n choosin ahh niqqa😂💯
ppg≠backseat
Why y’all wear all black like y’all worship Saturn?
Why is it so hard to give the MVP to the best player on the best team?
Not to mention the best player on the best team is a legit top 5-8 player in the league.
Because he not the best player
cos that means theres 1-7 better than him at least
@@MarzTalksSports arguably, but is the gap wide enough to justify their mvp case over his if his team is #1
Because he's not the best player is why he won't touch that award
for the voters idk maybe not. for me yes