5 Hours of Hard Enduro? Stark Range Series - VARG
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Stark Range Series - VARG 1 - 6.5 kWh - Hard Enduro
Get ready to dive deep into the Stark Range Series, starting with the VARG 1 equipped with a 6.5 kWh battery!
In this episode, we push the bike - and our team - to the limits in the rugged hills behind Barcelona, Spain. Watch as our CEO Anton Wass, Chief Engineer Kian Darvishian, and factory rider Eddie Karlsson tackle intense Hard Enduro tests on a scorching summer day.
This is just the beginning! Over the next few weeks, we’ll be taking on classic Enduro, Motocross on sandy and hard-packed tracks, and fast trail riding in Australia with both fast professionals to happy weekend warriors. We will give you shorter highlights to full proof videos, you won’t want to miss a second of this journey. Subscribe now and ride along with us!
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I love my Varg, I do between 15 and 20 min motos on my rut track here in the hills of Southern California, I am getting 2.5 to 3 hrs of total run time from 100% to 20% battery. I am happy with this machine!
How long to recharge off a generator
What HP are you running it in?
Agreed brethren!!
I need this as my commuter, dirt bike and enduro in one thing. PLEASE get this thing plated.
its not plated yet? surrons are and this is not?
Tip for starkvarg: develop enduro suspension. For extreme enduro you need even more softer susp., develop a clutch, for extreme enduro you need a clutch, in downhill in uphill, you need a clutch. Because you have extra room in the bike make some room where you could put a few small tools clicked on the bike? We dont carry the tools in a backpack because its Weight and weight will get you tyred. Even Food like gel we make with rubberbanden on the steeringbar. Integrate garmin navigation on the screen for routes, Integrate communication set in the computer so you connect with helmet Bluetooth so you can talk with your buddies. And do some led front lights. 👍🏻
We need a street legal version finally ! ❤
I love my Varg in Australia, but that dog produced the best range !
Sure, but if it is anything like my old dogs, their exhaust can be pretty bad for those around. Well, I used to blame it on the dog.
Love my Varg. This is a really cool video but that dog is the REAL trooper though!!! :)
I've had absolutely no problem with range trail riding my Varg in California and Montana. The most I've run the battery down was 34%, after several hours of riding. You'll be sacked before the bike is. When camping, I charge it with a small 120v generator, and it works perfectly. Love the bike. Basically no maintenance, top shelf suspension and brakes, and it's unbelievably powerful. Open the throttle and the front wheel comes up. It's the liter bike of dirt bikes. I challenge anyone that doesn't like it to ride it; it will blow your mind with how good it is.
i tried one and it blew my mind...
felt so horrible i immediately bought another 300 2 stroke.
@@jonathanthorngate5214 Nice, a revenge purchase. I like it.
I've been doing a lot of single trail on mine. It seems like it used about 20% an hour. I keep mine at 40HP with 35% braking. I also ride a really deep MX sand track and the battery life is pretty bad. I would say less than a 3/4 hour. Everybody I know in Wisconsin that bought one of these rides trails. The AMA will not let us race MX, but you can ride the offload races. I think they are marketing this to the wrong crowd in the USA. The AMA (MX Sports) is going to black ball Stark until Honda and KTM have a bike or Stark starts sponsoring (bribing) them.
Also. My wife is really short and stuck on a KLX140L. If you come out with an 85 sized bike, I'll buy that one too. For the love of all that is holy, do not make a 50cc bike. That market is saturated. There is nothing in the 85cc size range. I would happily spend $13,000 on an electric 85 for my wife.
I think E-bikes need theyre own class since even if theyre limited to 60hp they have crazy torque
This is great info, thanks for sharing. If you do a 4-5hr trail ride, what is the average moving time? (trying to gauge how hard the bike is working for that 20% per hour). Im trying to see if I can do a 2hr sprintduro that is roughly 30-35miles and I would also set it around 40-45hp.
How about lower the suspension like a 100-120mm?
It now has an insane (good) 320mm travel. 200mm of that is plenty for your wife.
If you checkout Electric Motion bikes like the XR or Factor-E, the idea with programmable mapping is you get multiple bikes in one. So if you want it to behave like an 85cc or 150cc you simply program the map for that. This way as your wife progresses she can increase the available power and no need to sell/buy another bike. Pretty sure its the same with the Varg but then again the Varg is about $13k new and its a full size bike so its intimidating to any new rider.
@@veke_k2170
In 60hp the Torque is actually lower than peak torque of the 450's.
It's more predictable and better flowing. But both torque and horsepower is lower and still they are faster.
If only you could put a light and turn signals and get it road registered. Then it truly would be a dream
Would be great and it has the chance to really be road legal (real horsepower in registation etc., not like a 300 2 stroke, because it has no co emission; EU rules). Could be the perfect bike, even for Supermoto etc.
Still waiting for the street legal version ☝🏼
If you move to Mexico it is street-legal here!
Nice test, thanks guys. The Varg is great but the dog ist still on 96 %
I use the Varg for Hard enduro myself, the knarlier the better, running tublis with gummys and run 3 to 5 hours regularly. The harder the terrain the better the bike performs.
Absolutely love this bike !
that's because technical terrain is less power
Best bike 🔥
so sick! love this bike
we need a street legal Varg
Anton homologa la moto para utilizarla por las calles de barcelona (matriculada) Un saludo desde Bcn, Gracias!
That looks fun. I had an Alta and it was great. I'll have to get a Varg for sure. My KTM e-xc has very low range being a 2017,
I love varg ❤
Awesome video I am definitely getting a varg as soon I can this video made me want one even more
Awesome to hear that!
great stuff! thank you.
Awesome video guy's!!!
Can you imagine stark making surron size bikes? It will outclass any ebike out in the market at the moment.
Yeah I would also consider a Stark if they made lighter bikes. Ofc lighter might mean less range but something like a surron ultra bee from Stark would be sick
Great vid, but this is a time test, not a range test. Please be transparent and post the mileage for 1 lap (I didn’t see it in the video). Most trail people plan rides based on miles/km- not anticipated time.
I understand the point you’re making- for amateurs the ride lasts longer. Other tests I’ve seen only post a trail range of about 35 miles, that’s not satisfactory- my 300 will do 70+. Match that and you’ll see more purchases, including me.
You are not wrong, would be interesting, but also only the range wouldn't tell you that much. The track conditions, uphill / downhill etc. You wouldn't be able to compare it directly. If your track was mostly downhill with some steep climbs, the varg would regen a lot. The other way arround your range would look way different.
the type of range test you are talking about is very subjective too. depending on the type of acceleration and what the held speed is.
generally speaking 35-45 miles is the norm when on open trails.
on hard enduro I get around 5 hrs run time but that only equates to 25 miles. it's short bursts of power through technical sections.
on a deep loamy motorcross track I can murder the battery in 40 odd mins. Hard pack motocross track 1hr 10
You both make valid points, but mileage gives an approximation to plan off of, time does not- that’s the main thing I’m getting at. 35-45 miles is still pretty unsat. Gas is still more consistent and predictable (probably always will be), but hope the tech catches up to being close. I imagine these things are sweet.
You are correct 35 miles is about the range 70 even 60 would be perfect.
I will say that 35 miles I ride my Varg is amazing and for me worth it. But I also have 2 other dirt bikes.
@@jimhurkman8657 at what HP level?
My dream bike amazing video guys ❤
Can this bike be street legal?
There is a web site if you look at the surronster videos for varg he talks about getting it Street legal
@@Oneshotloser thanks man
I absolutely love my stark here in Australia, keep the vids up, its bloody awesome the CEO is out testing with the pro's, absolutely awesome product 🤘🤘
I've had my eye on a varg for so long. Wish I could afford, but for now it's just a fantasy. One day...
Was this test enough to release something to tune the throttle curve in near future ? 😅 love my Varg 👍
I would love to have the buttons, like a quick shift, so you could have different throtle curvemaps. You could emulate gears, like splitting the full throttle curve over three gears and max throttle in each is limited to a max RPM for example have it in 1 to get about 0-33%, 2 for 33%-66%, 3 66%-100%. Beeing able to customize of course would be a big plus. I think having all RPMs in only one throttle is too sensitive in some conditions.
awesome video!😃
It's a great bike, but having 3 people on the payroll "test" the range and lie to your customers this way just sucks. We know they barely make 1.5hr hare scrambles, sure 6hrs is possible if you take 3 hours of brakes, but then just say 10hrs with a dinner break in between.
Your initial 6hr 110kg promise mislead us, things often don't work out, but don't try to throw sand in our eyes now that we can ride and see the range is clearly overstated by 2-3 times.
Speed is everything.
I can empty mine in 35 minutes deep sand MX. In hard enduro i could do 4 hrs and just drain it to 40%.
They're on the paylist but the full video is also here. I don't feel they lied in this video.
@@Erwin-P that is true but theyee taking the absolute perfect case scenario with hard terrain and a lot of sitting still, it’s hardly representative
@@SouthCentral-re9bn then just look at the pro if that's your level. Ca 3 hrs of on a few seconds breaks continues riding. Thats a lot in the hands of a pro.
Hard enduro for me has a lott of standing still because well, my own battery isn't as big as the Starks or the fuel tank in my Beta.
They announced they would do diverrent terrain tests, with this of the first of a series.
As long as they follow up on that promise i don't see anything wrong with this.
@@Erwin-P he had a battery swap in the middle. Stark PR has been mostly BS so far (member that 110kg claim too?), hopefully they change there ways, but not super hopeful. Fingers crossed as I really like e-bikes and stark is the best right now
@@SouthCentral-re9bn
In this video's 3hr test was no battery swap...
That 110 kg turned out 118. Feels about 10kg lighter as my Beta 2 stroke, so i'm happy with that.
Range is totally down to the rolling resistance.
On the hard ground it lasts alot longer especially going slow on terrain that allows you to go so slow.
Lower amps needed at slow speed on hard ground.
On soft sand, where you can't go slow and rolling resistance is high, I get less than 35 kms at average 35kmh. 1 hour riding.
On harder ground with some soft whooped stuff about 1% per minute is used. 100 minutes riding time for a full battery and less than 60km range I've found
I imagine on hard road surface with street tyres you would get +100kms??
Did they publish how many kilometres they did?
Ofc they didn't, this is a PR stunt by employees to sell bikes, not a test. Sometimes you know the most from what is left unsaid.
where can i buy that dog
My Varg go aprox 1 hour at motocross track.
Stark would’ve made check mate if it was designed as a duo battery which you can choose to take one out - to keep it light and a bit more nimble when you want too.
Great video. Did they say how long (distance) each lap was? I have no doubts from comments on the forums that a Varg will last long enough for one of my group's "normal" days, but I'm curious how many miles they did here.
If I may ask, 7 laps - how many km was that? My out of the blue estimation with average speed 15km/h and riding time 3h so around 45-50km?
I can get about 60 to 70km of mixed desert riding 30kmh average. But I weigh 120KG with gear.
Deep sand motocross test with an expert rider please
Put a set of typical enduro lights on it as well as somekind of noise to scare animals that could be switched on or off, and I'll run and buy one right there !
You boys can ride!!! Thanks for sharing the gnarly diggers. That's a sign of trust and honor in my book.
While almost all of the staff in the office has a past in on two wheels and know how to ride really well, the last 2-3 years hasn't allowed much of riding to keep up with the conditioning. Kian was pretty sore to say the least after this one! haha!
Great video. Is this a precursor for a road legal enduro version? 😊🎉
I think a lot of commenters may not realize that this is essentially ideal conditions if the goal is to maximize hours ridden. While the terrain is rugged, this really is relatively low-horsepower riding.
Over the next couple of weeks we will have tests that is less flattering for the VARG. It's all about transparency and to make sure that we test with riders and environments that can be relatable to our customers.
Love my bike so much power i would some pillion pegs to carry a passenger through
I am picking up a stark in a week, I am a little worried about the paper thin cheap tubes , have any of you had issues with them? Did you swap them out? Did you go with heavy duty or normal tubes? Ive ran mousse tubes but I feel they would be a little draggy on this bike, might have to go tubliss.
I swapped out for heavy duty tubes. The stock tubes are interesting to say the least
I use mine mostly for MX, but I do occasionally do some Enduro on similar terrain in similar conditions as shown here (just north of Barcelona). I set it at 45BHP with regen at 65% and I get around 2 hours. I am definitely an amateur-level rider. I'm not suggesting you are lying, but I have no idea how you just got 5.5 hours? When I ride there are open sections where I blast it which I'm sure will drain the battery faster than a more "trials" style of riding...but 3.5 hours difference?
10/10
Your gonna get cooked soon! The flux bike is coming and will be better than all other companies, surron, Stark varg, etc. Flux is the future.
now do motocross renge test please
Both sand mx and hard pack mx coming up.
is that a new bike version with a bigger bettery or what is the diffrence between the two bikes
Cool stuff, battery life all depends on the average speed. Under 15mph and it should last pretty long.
Love my Varg!!!
but I dont have a varg, just wrote this cuz everyone writes it
Could you do a test to see how many km you can do with this bike at an average speed of 50 km/h
We haven't planned to do that is it's not a bike that you normally would ride that way. But I believe there's a VLOG out there doing exactly that test.
Hi guys ! I would like to know if there is a real regen of the battery if you do a long down hill with the regen set up at 100% ?
I am in the Alps and trails have big elevation…
Thank you !
Yes, the regen back to the battery works as in a normal EV.
Think the couple of guys I know with them better send them back then, theirs can barely scrape 2 hrs turned down to 30hp riding with pit bikes. It’s odd how 3 employees can ride one for the exact amount of time (6hrs) they claimed in the hype documents.
Totaly agreed, lost a third place finish race because the bike was in lip mode after 30 km at 30hp. Worked for an 1.15h and couldn’t complete the 1h30 race. The bike wasn’t able to take the rare hills.
These dudes are always full of shit, it's spitting in the face of customers with this "oh you can do 6hrs, just take 4hrs of brakes to fix your makeup for the film crew". It's a great bike to ride, I just wish the bosses would stop this PR BS. Like people are buying these and know full well what the range is
@@SouthCentral-re9bn the guys in the uk arenacross had 2 bikes each because the batteries couldn't do the 4 7 min races on 1 battery.
@@jonathanthorngate5214 what do you mean, they clearly can do a full 45min outdoor haven’t you read the brochure? 🤣
Form South Africa, i have a Stark use for mx Moto's I'm a vet, does not last. 25 mins then less than 50 percent, have to charge to get back out again. I use the almost the same amount of fuel in my generator as i would in a 4 stroke bike. Love the bike but not happy with the battery.
Me traerian una argentina? Estaría dispuesto hacer un canal solo para la moto y así publicitarla
How about the total mileage of that race?
Dogs at 89% lol
What were
the HP and Regen settings for the ride?
Somebody knows, how much horsepower there where riding?
Please already announce the street legal version!
What power mode is the grey one? in
Does it have a clutch?
No bud
If they are amateurs, what am I??
Where is traction control? I hear a lot of spinning.
Guys, I do about 120km of light enduro. Can this bike take it on just one charge?
no 50km is more likly
@@stefan-ge I wanted to like this bike. By my estimates it needed to have at least 12kWh of storage to be competitive. Too expensive for to little energy
@@TelmoMonteiro it's not really a price thing as it is a tech thing. the only reason electric isn't in a completely different galaxy than gas is because the battery. the motor technology is all there, but the battery is the least efficient part. the varg is literally pushing as much electricity as technologically possible at the moment into the smallest space they can
@@BLPKOSH3R I completely agree! What I wanted to emphasize was that in order to be a no brainer choice, battery technology needed to have twice the capacity. We're not there yet
@@TelmoMonteiro yeah i know what you mean. gas is still definitely ideal for very long or remote rides, but i think once electric is there it’s just better in every way
I dont get how the pro gets this much out of the battery.
I ride motocross, 45hp, 65 regen, and I get 35-45min on mine before limp mode.
I'm a B rider, a bit on the slow side.
It's in the rocky HARD enduro track. Makes all the difference. Your figures look correct. Hard pack could last a bit longer
its called lying, dont you find it strange how 3 stark employees get the exact riding time they claimed in the marketing blurb? yet guys i know that have them struggle to get 2 hrs even with them dialled right down to 25-30 hp. its also not difficult to make a "ride" last 6 hours if you hamming it up for the camera and brushing your hair for hours.
@@jonathanthorngate5214 Watch the video of Eddie Karlsson in Battle of Vikings competition and tell me he is "lying"
@@SamuelGunnestad the race where he was allowed to swap bikes /batteries whilst racing against amateurs?
That race is maybe 3 hrs long he should have been able to do it twice rather than need to swap.
@@jonathanthorngate5214 In the first race he did 2 hours 20 minutes with 30% battery left. Second place was Magnus Thor, not an amateur. The other race was faster and longer, so he would have to change battery. I've never claimed that he could ride 6 hours on one battery, I'm responding to the claim that they are lying about the range. In a hard enduro setting, it's not unlikely that amateurs get that kind of range. I have a Varg and get under 2 hours on the kind of enduro I ride a lot of. I also wish the battery was bigger so I could race enduro with it
You coudl buidl a surron with a higher power to weight ratio
Wich still wont compare...
…and cost as much (or more) than the Varg, but you’d have a removable/swappable battery and massive aftermarket options. Pros/Cons to both. Tho neither has a clutch :-(
@@-joo3033 with a rider that has the same experience it might... ,45kw/60hp 49kg bikes power to weight is 1.22 but a vargs in 80hp mode is only 0.77, surron with a 60amp hour battery can get up to 100 miles while a varg can only get 45-50
@@SovietUnionOfficial i mean "wont compare" as the chassis sucks compared to a varg to matter how much you spend on upgraded parts.
It may have the power but I do appreciate my ultra bee not having a annoying fan just to keep temps down
You are not a fan. Try it and maybe you will become one :-)
@@maxcore5815 oh na besides the fan it’s it’s one of the best ebikes in the world, for my style of riding the smaller ultrabee makes more sense tho. Id love to rip a stark on max power
Now put it on 80 hp and see how long it lasts
there wouldn't really be any change. in this sort of riding you're using a lot of torque but only a fraction of your horsepower.
As experianced in riding on different types of trails an electric bike comsumes very little if the average speed is low.
So, you should do like three test. From low average speed to high and then show the results.
At least show average speed beteen amateur and pro in this video.
have you seen the gypsy 500 race with the varg, i thought that was intersting.
hate say but 5 hours is not worth the ride , when it can full weekend in the mountains they will have something . until then not my style
send me one
Now you need to know the level you ride at to know how much battery you’ll use in a set time