OFF: If You live in Hungary, You can avail a huge amount of materials about Siberian Eskimos, including folktale collections (both in Russian and in original Central Siberian Yupik), and VERY DETAILED grammar books too. Eskimos languages are typologically very similar to Hungarian (relatedness is not proven, it may be mere accident or only areal influence). As for their culture, Siberian Eskimos also have their own special variant of shamanism (influenced by Chukchi).
People kept uttering "horror music". These are excerpts from Schnittke's symphonies (symphony no. 3, to be precise). It may sound like horrifying to most people who are not used to 20th century classical music in particular. But actually this music is as spiritual as the scene.
For us, ``Chrestomathia Samoyedica'' is an easily available source, it is a good point for start. It has been published in Hungary, and it contains Nenets, Enets, Nganasan and Selkup texts, grammar and vocabulary.
I forgot the most important thing: the word ``kamlanie'' is indeed a Russian word (``камлание''), and it means ``shamanic séance''. Deatils can be read about the Russian verb ``камлать'' in Викисловарь (the Russian version of Wiktionary)
Beauty (as well as savagery) is in the eyes of a beholder... I don't see any zoo-anthropology or disrespect; instead, I see a video recording of the last shaman of this particular tribe (Nganasan, Siberia), performing one of the rites... Since shamans often depict animals in their rites - hence the connection, which you pejoratively described as "zoo-anthropology"(?)
@BPmmxFX I don't know is it horror or dramatic but it just does not reflect the shamanic experience, it really sounds disrespectful for such music is more correlated to negative phenomenons in television as far as I can say
i know i'm 2 years late to the original comment. putting this here in hopes of someone else with the same question: "ng" is one character, which is a voiced velar nasal 'n', or in latin "ŋ". and if you can look past germanic pronunciation of vowels etc, and understand that those "A"s are hard A sounds (like AH, AOH, AKH and so on and NOT "ay"s) the rest is just plain and simple. "ŋa-naah-sun"
"Doroba" -- "Greetings" in Nganasan. It is a critically endangered language in Siberia. Indigenous people of Siberia are losing their language to Russian. The reason why is because of the history of boarding schools, and when they go to trade and buy, all of it is done in Russian. Their can kept their language alive through shamanistic songs, but it must go further. Such as schools with language immersion programs, and purchasing in their own language.
EASTERN HEALING: Prayer for Animists Shamans Druids Yogis and Kabbalists who dont use trance but Meditation... the proper word for the shamanic journey is meditation, visionary meditation, it is not a trance, which implies lower state of suggestible consciousness controlled by another human being in a costume, but a higher state of inspired consciousness given from above, egoless WE PRAY THAT ALL BEINGS ARE FREE FROM TRANCE AND LIVE AT THE POTENTIAL OF THEIR CONSCIOUSNESS!
As I am listening to the video, I hear it as ``камлание'' (kamlanie). Links dissapear from UA-cam comments, but by Google, these sites seem worth for loooking for details: * ``'During the course of a special ritual called kamlanie (shaman's act), the shaman would enter a state of trance'' * ``КАМЛАНИЕ - священный шаманский ритуал, во время которого шаманы''
wow telling from this trailer, anything other than graphic footage of this "documentary" is pure bias. hurts me to even listen for more than 10 seconds. mute the video and just watch instead.
He's performing a rite called Kolanye; it must be in Russian, not sure what it means, but to the best of my knowledge sounds like "slaughter"... Anybody..? Any better ideas..? Translations..?
more like a biasentary... what's up with the horror music? there should be respect and opening towards the rich and very human shamanic religious tradiyion. this doesn't reflect that. those who made this documentary spit in the name of the great anthrpologists like Malinowski....
agree TOTALLY -- thumbs down for that from me also. Talk about not getting it, not perceiving, not feeling spirit of what's going on there. That music was ruination of a profound moment.
It's a Russian production - nothing I could do about... The music is not horror - just dramatic, trying to emphesize the particular (dramatic) moment. I don't think it diminishes the shamanic tradition, which BTW is as far from religious as from human (it's closer to animal spirit than to human...) What is "biasentary" anyway..?
OFF: If You live in Hungary, You can avail a huge amount of materials about Siberian Eskimos, including folktale collections (both in Russian and in original Central Siberian Yupik), and VERY DETAILED grammar books too. Eskimos languages are typologically very similar to Hungarian (relatedness is not proven, it may be mere accident or only areal influence). As for their culture, Siberian Eskimos also have their own special variant of shamanism (influenced by Chukchi).
Hello, first of all, you must accept that Hungarians are proto-Turks.
Damn, scary music at 1:11 haha.
People kept uttering "horror music". These are excerpts from Schnittke's symphonies (symphony no. 3, to be precise). It may sound like horrifying to most people who are not used to 20th century classical music in particular. But actually this music is as spiritual as the scene.
BGM not good. this document looks down on the tribe?
How old is the movie? It was Dyukhade, Demnime or Tubyaku Kosterkin?
For us, ``Chrestomathia Samoyedica'' is an easily available source, it is a good point for start. It has been published in Hungary, and it contains Nenets, Enets, Nganasan and Selkup texts, grammar and vocabulary.
Please let me know how to order this, paypal, download, etc. Thank you, bb
+Belchbear1 Thank you: belchbear27@gmail.com
I forgot the most important thing: the word ``kamlanie'' is indeed a Russian word (``камлание''), and it means ``shamanic séance''. Deatils can be read about the Russian verb ``камлать'' in Викисловарь (the Russian version of Wiktionary)
How can I buy a full copy? Have you an email address?
You should see the entire 30 min. movie - talking 'bout back to school... I just excerpted the juicy 2.5 min. stuff for this trailer...
The shaman is a son of Demnime Kosterkin. The documentary is from 1990.
i mean, how are they looking, what are they doing( those sounds and dancing) is nothing compare to what we were doing in class =)
who are the nganasans?
They are finno-ugric ethnic group that live on the timyer peninsula in northern Russia.
Beauty (as well as savagery) is in the eyes of a beholder...
I don't see any zoo-anthropology or disrespect; instead, I see a video recording of the last shaman of this particular tribe (Nganasan, Siberia), performing one of the rites...
Since shamans often depict animals in their rites - hence the connection, which you pejoratively described as "zoo-anthropology"(?)
It's nice to find here our Russian Siberian shamans :-)
damn, i fell like i'm back to school.
@BPmmxFX I don't know is it horror or dramatic but it just does not reflect the shamanic experience, it really sounds disrespectful for such music is more correlated to negative phenomenons in television as far as I can say
He was the last shaman of the Nganasan tribe...
How do you pronounce "Nganasan"?
i know i'm 2 years late to the original comment. putting this here in hopes of someone else with the same question:
"ng" is one character, which is a voiced velar nasal 'n', or in latin "ŋ".
and if you can look past germanic pronunciation of vowels etc, and understand that those "A"s are hard A sounds (like AH, AOH, AKH and so on and NOT "ay"s) the rest is just plain and simple.
"ŋa-naah-sun"
so /ŋanasan/?
Connor Murphy yeah, exactly. i didnt think you would still be interested 2 years later, sorry :P
"Doroba" -- "Greetings" in Nganasan. It is a critically endangered language in Siberia. Indigenous people of Siberia are losing their language to Russian. The reason why is because of the history of boarding schools, and when they go to trade and buy, all of it is done in Russian. Their can kept their language alive through shamanistic songs, but it must go further. Such as schools with language immersion programs, and purchasing in their own language.
@whateva1983 thats exactly what bothered me, I totally agree
EASTERN HEALING:
Prayer for Animists Shamans Druids Yogis and Kabbalists who dont use trance but Meditation... the proper word for the shamanic journey is meditation, visionary meditation, it is not a trance, which implies lower state of suggestible consciousness controlled by another human being in a costume, but a higher state of inspired consciousness given from above, egoless
WE PRAY THAT ALL BEINGS ARE FREE FROM TRANCE AND LIVE AT THE POTENTIAL OF THEIR CONSCIOUSNESS!
That dude gets out of his tree!
As I am listening to the video, I hear it as ``камлание'' (kamlanie). Links dissapear from UA-cam comments, but by Google, these sites seem worth for loooking for details:
* ``'During the course of a special ritual called kamlanie (shaman's act), the shaman would enter a state of trance''
* ``КАМЛАНИЕ - священный шаманский ритуал, во время которого шаманы''
wow telling from this trailer, anything other than graphic footage of this "documentary" is pure bias. hurts me to even listen for more than 10 seconds. mute the video and just watch instead.
He's performing a rite called Kolanye; it must be in Russian, not sure what it means, but to the best of my knowledge sounds like "slaughter"...
Anybody..? Any better ideas..? Translations..?
Too late.. but you are not right. It is komlanye and means transcendental trip...
absolutely sick to add a kind (horror) music to a shaman - dance - these filmmakers disqualify themselves
I can't hear well neither English nor Russian, my comprehension is weak. I admit I can't comprehend languages well, except for Hungarian.
more like a biasentary... what's up with the horror music? there should be respect and opening towards the rich and very human shamanic religious tradiyion. this doesn't reflect that. those who made this documentary spit in the name of the great anthrpologists like Malinowski....
agree TOTALLY -- thumbs down for that from me also. Talk about not getting it, not perceiving, not feeling spirit of what's going on there. That music was ruination of a profound moment.
It's a Russian production - nothing I could do about... The music is not horror - just dramatic, trying to emphesize the particular (dramatic) moment. I don't think it diminishes the shamanic tradition, which BTW is as far from religious as from human (it's closer to animal spirit than to human...)
What is "biasentary" anyway..?
ドキュメントという構成上仕方のないことなのだろうが、余計な効果音が非常に残念。一応ＣＤが出ているが、映像付きは極めて貴重な資料であり残念な気分だ。