Michael Jordan is OVERRATED on Defense
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- Опубліковано 24 лют 2024
- In this segment, we debate why Michael Jordan gets overrated defensively compared to other great wing defenders.
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Seen the title and knew I was about to hear some BS..
Facts SMH
Chicago tribune May 12, 1988 JORDAN HONORED FOR DEFENSE
Jordan averaged 35 points a game to capture the scoring title for the second year in a row. He led the NBA in steals with 3.16 a game, and his 131 blocked shots were more than 16 starting centers in the league had.
When it comes to defense, Jordan has often been assigned to the opposition`s top scorer in critical situations this season. He has
successfully defended offensive threats such as Charles Barkley, Alex English, Isiah Thomas, Adrian Dantley, Mark Price and Dominique Wilkins
He can stop people in a crisis and can bring his teammates and the crowd to their feet with a sensational play,” Bulls assistant coach John Bach said. ”He rises up at just the right time. He has good anticipation, which is the hallmark of any good defensive player, along with aggression.
”You add anticipation to his power, quickness and catlike jumping ability and you`re talking about a powerful defender who can play anyone from a Mark Price to some of your bigger forwards.
”You couldn`t do some of the things he does unless you had his unique physical skills. He can block shots from behind, strip the ball, circle the post, play the passing lanes and prevent the lob pass inside. He is truly remarkable.”
That’s why this channel is full of casual
Exactly
He’s overrated depending on how you rate him. If you say he’s an all time great wing defender, you straight. If you say he’s the best wing/perimeter defender ever or he’s a better defender than Kawhi or that he’s in the convo for best defender ever, you’re overrating him
Agreed
Terrible take. Actually watch the game please MJ for sure has a case for one of the greatest perimeter defenders to ever play the game.
@@BigHeartNATIONTrue Nigward
Kawhi defense overrated on my mama. Kawhi is never checking the opposing team players from top off like prime Glove, prime Kobe, and prime Klay did dawg!! Prime Klay (2015-19) was checking prime Russ, Wade, CP3, Dame, CJ, Bulter, Kawhi, and etc from the jump!! Kawhi has only locked up a 2013 and 2014 Bron to a certain extent. Peak KD, Steph, Butler, Dame lights him up, and that 2019 Raptors squad built a wall to stop Giannis. He had 6’9 Siakim, 6’10 Ibaka and 7’1 Gasol backing him up, on top of Green? He was 6’7. Kawhi wasn’t solely guarding a Giannis, but hey. Green defense was better from 2015 to now and he was more versatile but hey 🤷🏾♂️
AWARDS AND STATS DON'T LIE
Jordan 3x steal titles and had 2 or 3 seasons with over 1000+ points and a 100 steals and 100 blocks in a season
Yes he’s a great defender.But there’s A LOT of people who were better.
It was actually 200 steals and 100 blocks. He did that twice, making him the only ever player to do that I believe…all as a guard. You can’t make up this “overrated” talk 🤦♂️
@@AveChristusRex789Hakeem had 200+ blocks and steals in a season lmaoo you dudes run with the urban legends without any research
@@SGHS14 can you read? Notice how I said twice. Cmon. Edit: people are really liking your comment 😂😂🤦♂️
@@AveChristusRex789 Facts
Like omg wtf are we doing?!?
Comparing Scottie Pippen defensively to Hakeem and Mourning is kinda stupid.
🗣️ST🛑P THE N 🚫 NSENSE !!! MIKE IS THE G.🐐.A.T. DEFENDER .>🎤 😡🗑️
@@GABEMOORE533 Lol no, he is not, not even close.
@@GABEMOORE533weirdo
Scottie Pippen is the best defender of all time lowkey, watch the film. Peak Scottie and peak Kawhi are in their own class.
@@mybestnugget7514 Sure say that but comparing a SF to a center defensively is ridiculous
Not marz trying to minimize MJ’s defense by comparing him to AI and Curry…. He was getting blocks and steals. He didnt have to be hid on defense. MJ was never a defensive liability like Curry or AI. It is intellectually dishonest to even make that correlation without acknowledging his blocks.
Oh my goodness theres no way people like you exist
@@MarzTalksSportsgoofy
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hu huh
Well aren't you funny. All that shit about stats when we know his stats were getting cooked at home by employees of the bulls
@@rossanderson6080 you are funny trolll. Get lost
The Jordan worship only rivals Jesus.
Facts
Try harder trollls
@@marvyae23none found
@reggielewis4169 it's cool. They didn't believe Jesus was that dude either!!! you 🤡🤡
It's pretty disturbing tbh
Jordan clears Kawhi in off ball defense and shot blocking
on ball, rebounding, rim protecting, wingspan/versatility Kawhi beats MJ in
@@MOCdudehaven't checked the numbers but pretty sure MJ has to be a better offensive rebounder than Kawhi, and rim protection was never a strong suit of Kawhi's I don't see the argument over MJ
@@_wael Offensive rebounds is around 0.5 in MJs favour going by highest career wise, it is even a little less for total career average. That being said, it is disingenuous to compare them straight up like that considering that Kawhi cannot play as many minutes due to his condition. This is proven by the fact that MJ averaged 6 more minutes per game than Kawhi at their respective highest, it even widens a little looking at the average. Furthermore the game was MUCH more interior oriented, unlike today, so getting blocks back then was a little easier with constantly packed paint and much less space for players to operate. Also MJ had the best defender at SF in Scottie who also can be argued as the best wing defender of his time and he was usually on duty defending the opponents best player while also organizing the defence, giving MJ more room to roam for those steals and blocks. MJ was a notorious gambler on, and off, court who would have not looked as good without Scottie.
@@MOCdudenope. Nice try trolll
@@page8301yawn trolll
You can’t compare Big men and wing players defensively they got different jobs hakeem is not a better perimeter defender then Scottie but don’t get me wrong Hakeem could most def guard the perimeter but he ain’t better then Scottie just like Scottie ain’t a better post defender then hakeem
But Hakeem is a better perimeter defender than Scottie is a r protector which sets them apart. Bigs just cover more space and have more responsibility defensively than wing will ever have. Which is why the award favors them. Bigs men and versatile forwards will always run the show defensively with very few wings and guards sprinkled in between.
@@TheIcemanthomasNo way Hakeem is better on ball permitter defender than Pippen.
In their era interior defence was much more important than wing defence due to the fact that the 3 point was much less important. Still the best defenders all time like Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, etc. were quick enough that they could close out long 2s and even 3s if need be.
@@dedricklane4899 reread what I said
@@page8301 still today rim protection is more important. It always will be because it’s the easiest and most effective and consistent shot. If a team can get to the rim every time, they wouldn’t ever even attempt a three. So the three would become less valuable by nature. If we took all the great rim protection out the game, you’d see a massive influx of slasher again, cause why risk shooting threes when y can shoot 60%+ from the field attacking the rim all game. lol.
Sound like people trying to hate
That's what they do these days. Most of the audience aren't old heads, so old players are all fair game to crap on
@@asteiner274 nah yall just get in your feelings and and call it hate anytime Jordan gets any criticism. Jordan my goat but he not perfect
@@Dusty3967 Everything Jordan does is overrated because he's Jordan, everyone knows him. By today's media, or by people who actually follow basketball he's maybe slightly overrated at best. But topics like these tend to come up so they can get their licks in. In this case it was Sheed that brought it up. It's not just Jordan, but he's the figurehead if you wanna just bash old basketball
@@asteiner274 not really I think Jordan is fairly rated he is no less than 2 on most people’s list it’s just his defense that is being overrated he still a great defender though
@@asteiner274the thing about Jordan is the more you dig into his stats the more you realize he's better than you thought and his overall game is taken for granted. Scoring leader tens years and also 1st team defense all of those years, he could have won 7 or 8 mvps easily if the league voters wanted to. 6 finals MVPs, steals leader, I mean come on bro. Who's doing any of that today?
Y'all know that Sheed was saying things for shock value to get his podcast recognized. LePed's is an overrated defender and could never guard all 5 positions like his propaganda team claims.
This don’t even got nun to do wit lebron lmao😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@babyfacetwotra6975😂😂😂
LeBron has never credibly guarded a true center or power forward. He's great at getting chase down blocks in moments and is a good team defender but dude never could guard Dirk or Tyson Chandler or even Jason Terry or JJ barea. LeBron overrated defender for sure. He can jump out of the gym and has all these physical advantages but can't even average more blocks or steals than D Wade that's crazy
9x 1st team all defense, 6x steals champion, 1st player with 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season, he did it 2x, defensive player of the year. Holds the record for most blocks by a guard 828, has rejected the most shots by a shooting guard in a season, with 131 blocks, etc. The Jordan hate is getting ridiculous
Saying someone is overrated is not hate. Also MJ was 3 times steals champ, not 6. Thanks for proving the point again that MJ is overrated by his rabid fans.
Jordan didn’t defend anyone worth mentioning. He was defending guys who couldn’t go Left. Elementary kids can go left
Wade passed him in blocks I thought?
@@page8301so you hate and aint nothing overrated about the GOAT. Trolll
@@israeljudite8434trolll
the slander Mike receives these these days is crazy 🤦🏿♂️
slander? lol just because people be credible opinions, doesn't make it slander. Yall will say anything to protect MJ lol
is it slander or criticism
It's slander because he led the league in steals 3 years in a row. LOL @@VoltageMarvel
It's slander because it's based on feelings and not facts! @@MOCdude
@@tajgibson8776iverson & Curry both led the nba in scoring and steals too they’re not recognized as defenders
Half of y'all shouldn't talk about basketball anymore
Which ones?
@@KrispyKleenex365 choose. The only ones I believe that should stay is Chill, sometimes Ticket. Tickets do have some bad takes but not as bad as the rest of them. A lot of them on here just say things just to be saying it
@@desmondjrattler31180 I honestly barely started listening to them a week ago and im still confused on who actually KNOWS what they are talking about.
As it seems they ALL pretend they are the experts on the subject and act like they have evidence to prove what they say Yet i still find myself with the 🤨 face thinking they Full of ISH its hard to know whos full of ish sometimes
Thanks i do agree with ticket (the loud screaming guy right?) alot but then sometimes hes Horrible Wrong 😑
@@desmondjrattler31180 how often is that guy in the hoodie right ?
He sounds like he knows what hes talking about , like he does the research, but i find myself disagreeing with him the most . Im wondering whether hes wrong or I AM 😂😂
@@KrispyKleenex365 there are times when Marz has good points and backs it up with facts and stats. Majority of the time, he's just capping
If ticket back then we back watching then
Exactly
So what’s Mars point he said nothing of substance. He just got passive aggressive like a women
Did you just not listen to the video? He was saying that people are overrating Jordan by calling him the greatest perimeter defender ever. He also explained why ticket's reasoning for why Jordan was better than other notable defenders was stupid and went point by point. You came on here and left an emotional comment tho. Pretty womanly of you
@@Orangejulius4414 he never said why he was overrated at least in this clip. He poke holes in tickets points fine. But he never said his own actually reason why he thinks he’s overrated. But mars does that with everything, he play both sides of and argument and never take a definitive side . An idiots like you act like he’s said something so profound, whilst saying nothing.
@@3PTBalllmao because like i said someone can only be overrated depending on where someone rates them. if someone says steph is the best shooter ever they properly rate him. if someone else says hes not then they underrate him. over or underrating is relative and only dependent on who you are talking to or about. if someone says jordan was a mid defender id say theyre underrating him if someone else says hes tbe id say theyre overrating him. so theres not one definitive overrated or underrated stance i have on jordans defense
@@MarzTalksSports yes I understand your your thinking, being overrated is a relative term and you prove my point , you do this with all your arguments . Its clever actually play both side of an argument and you can’t lose , Low does this as well. He was a Great defender period anything else is a slight. You could be the 50th best perimeter defender all time and you would still be great. So for highlight MJ as if he’s not in the 50 is simply pushing a disingenuous twitter agenda. Because everyone does understand relativity
@@3PTBall i think he was a great defender
What 2 guards were he guarding? I mean people of real significance.
Exactly my thoughts, what great scoring wings/guards was he guarding?
Thats not how defense works trolll
@@2robjenkins try harder trolll with your lack of critical thinking
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hu professional MJ kneescraper. Lol
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hu try harder with ur mental gymnastics that u use bc u can't accept the fact that MJ guarded bums. If MJ actually shut down star players, then you would've just said "mj shut down ___". But ur commenting bullshit bc yk he didnt.
Ain’t no way they using what Sheed of all people said and used it as an argument. Sheed always be trippin
LeBron is overrated period😂
How did lebron even come in this conversation?
Every single one of ur comments on this channel start with Lebron lmao
How tf LeBron even mentioned that has nothing to do with him 😂
You must be a Kobe fan, your type have no life because why is Lebron even mentioned wtf
MJ is SOOOOOO underrated with the generation. I wish we had a time machine so this generation could really show respect where respect is due
So we can’t use his steals, DRTG, blocks, him winning DPOY or any of the above to claim he was a good defender. And if someone said eye test he would be getting mad at that too. Marz is one nasty hater.
watching full games & using the eye test is the only way u judge basketball. When the NBA players themselves talk ab ball, they never mention all the stats & awards.
@@RobinXlone you think those awards aren’t given by people who watched the games? Back then they didn’t have use these crazy nerd metrics like kitchen sink and D-LEBRON to determine who was a good defender. Games were watched. And like I said if you mentioned eye test Marz would’ve just came back and said some garbage about “nothing tangible then?🥴”
@@Ex-OTIC
I would love to see the shock in your face when you realize the voters don't watch that many games per season, at least not nearly enough to actually be able to judge who the best defensive players are at each position. They heavily rely on raw stats to make their judgments and back then was even worse. More limites access.
@@HopefulNihilist Jordan’s Bulls were watched
@@Ex-OTIC
My brother in Christ... What a WAY to miss the point...
Mike won defensive player of the year and won while Hakeem was in the league
Yh he didn’t deserve ir
@@mayowaojutalayo5298looks like he did haha cry
Have to consider who they are guarding respectively.
No
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hu yes
@@jason15212 nope
@@jason15212absolutely
@jason15212 No, it's about impact relative to era. If you can't figure out how to guard your peers in your era you aren't an impactful defender, period.
Scottie was money on defense and offense when it mattered. The second 3peat Bulls starters were longer and defensive menaces that made it extremely difficult for teams to bring the ball half court.
The 96 bulls had 3 first team defenders on 1 team. Thats never happened before or after that. Easily the Best defensive team of all time
Yikes…until someone can:
Lock down as many 20+ ppg scorers/Hall of Famers in the playoffs
Continue shutting down 20+ and 25+ ppg scorers at age 38 (Peja, Vince, Pierce)
Singlehandedly turn around a top 2 or 3 worst defense to a top 5 best defense (and number 1 when playing with Rip) as the only major addition, at age 38
Jordan has a rock-solid case as the best perimeter defensive player of all-time. What I do know is that MJ is definitely the better perimeter defender than Pippen:
Jordan finished ahead of Pippen in DPOY voting in
- 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1998
Jordan tied with Pippen in DPOY voting in
- 1991 and 1992
Pippen finished ahead of Jordan in DPOY voting in
- 1996 and 1997
In their 9 seasons together
- MJ finished ahead of Pippen 5 times in DPOY voting
- Pippen and MJ tied 2 times in DPOY voting
- Pippen finished ahead of MJ 2 times in DPOY voting
Despite Jordan missing most of his 2nd year due to injury and taking 2 prime years off afterwards. Jordan has more
- DPOY (1 to 0)
- Top 5 finishes in DPOY (7 to 5)
- Top 8 finishes in DPOY (10 to 8)
- Steals titles (3 to 1)
- All Defense 1st Team (9 to 8)
Jordan also had 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season twice, making him the only player to ever do that…all as a SG.
MJ is not overrated as a defender. If anything he’s underrated, some of the narratives of MJ not defending the team’s best players are just ridiculous
I think when they say overrated they mean all time.Cuz he definitely has an argument for the best 2 guard defender ever
Your lying:
-The wizards were never a top 5 defense team
-Peja & Vince never got shut down by MJ, only Paul Pierce did 1 time.
Also MJ is NOT a better defender than Pippen at all. Pippen guarded the other teams best players every night. Ur trying to use award voting to prove ur point, which shows u dont understand the game of basketball.
@@RobinXlonePippen did not guard the other team's best player every night. In fact it was literally RARE that he did this lol. Over 24 playoff series together, Pippen guarde the other team's best player 3 times, once against Sixers Barkley, Glen Rice and Dominique Wilkins lol. MJ had the tougher matchup in 13 of the 24 series they played including 5 of 6 finals appearances. Most often Pippen was used as an off ball help defender because he was guarding an absolute tomato can at SF. Most notably in 1998 when he guarded mop buckets Antwon Karr, Bryon Russel and Greg Ostertag so that he could sagg away and help on the Stock/Malone PnR
WHO WAS THE BEST SCORCER MJ HAD TOO GUARD?
Irrelevant
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hu it’s very relevant
@@dadillonful no its not. Trollls
None, cuz there went any, guarding guards who couldn’t score and create shots.
@@2robjenkins and yet there were. Nice try trolll
Michael Jordan isn’t and never will be “ overrated” in anything related to basketball
Shooter leader handle IQ team building talent understanding sharing ball hog play calling ft merchant
Gawk gawk gawk
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268 try harder trolll
@@dadillonful is that what you say on the special bus?
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hu you can't argue lol
4:57 CHILL COOKING
Bro where did all these guys play ball.
MJ two weak points in his defense is he gambled a lot and he bit on up fakes a lot. He used to foul and not get it called on him bc he’s MJ
91 Finals Jordan got fouls called against him guarding Magic.
Jordan had more fouls called against him then Magic in da 91 Finals
Try harder trolll
Jordan is still being talk about in 2024 because of greatness, you can’t change it…..
I want to watch this and enjoy this but i just camt get behind the hoodies on screen and organization to the discussion.
I notice you never have titles like this about LeBron 😂
Y ticket ain’t been on PC in a minute ?
Back when PC was entertaining. Hopefully Swipa can bring some of the energy back
I guess y'all next video will talk about how Lebum James won DPOTY 5 times in 30 years huh?
I’ve never heard this ticket dude make a single good point or argument. He’s the problem with basketball discourse. People like this don’t watch the games, don’t know what they’re watching or what to watch, and have 0 frame of reference for what makes a good basketball player other than media voted awards
So they ban ticket and everyone that speaks on his behalf but, uploads a video with him 👌
Wait, ticket is gone for good?
People already saw the live show and this probably isn’t the first time they clipped this part. It’s probably one of their shorts too.
Glad to see the 🐐 ticket back on the panel
The way mars seeing things and telling it, it might seem like mj is overrated..
But you can't be overrated when you are one of the best defenders all time in your position.. eye test is enough to tell you that mj was one of the better defenders of all time
Jordan is the best two way player period and one of the best wing defenders. Name another 2g that’s better than Jordan on both sides of the ball and name me 5 defenders better on the wing. If you can’t, shut up lol
MJ couldn’t shifty guards, my goat used to clamp them. lebron clears
What??
Lebron stops nobody in the playoffs
lebum got smoked by a 5’8 unathletic apple picker😂😂😂 he couldn’t even guard a Turkish terrorist
What guards did lebron guard “shifty guards” 😂
LeFart gets smoked by 5’8 unathletic rice farmers. MJ would never allow that
Bruh tell ticket to turn his camera on
How lashings didn’t have significant defense and got finals mvp Duncan for his defense on “the king”
Marz go watch Herb Jones stance and his feet. That’s how defense was supposed to be taught. That’s what we mean by defensive fundamentals. I love that kid herb jones
i like herb alot too. his defensive instincts are elite
Ticket never knows what the hell he's talking about lol Jordan wasn't top 3 Defender on his own team. Pippen and Rodman were better
I don't understand why people don't talk how weak the 2 guards were, go look at penny numbers against Jordan as well as Grant Hill, iverson
They werent. Try harder trolll
If you say Jordan is a better defender than Pippen, Kawhi, Tony Allen, you are overrating him slightly
Alot of y'all don't know that they came out and admitted to boosting Jordan steals and blocks. Falsely crediting him with steals and blocks he didn't get. Which resulted in him getting DPOY. But of course y'all gone argue with facts
I got mad love for Ticket but Scottie was a better defender than anyone in his position. So was Jordan. They shouldn't compare them with Centers.
Pippen wasnt. Trollll
That's true he is.
That guy that sent that superchat for $20 that said MJ struggled against speedy guards who can go left to right need to be SLAPPED! Not true and he must’ve seen AI cross him and thought he was cooking with that point
Try harder trolll
Yal go to bring ticket back
Mj barley guard the best player. It was Scottie
Jordan guarded da SG and Pippen guarded da SF
Da big man were mostly the best player and there were no time Pippen ran up and down the court guarding Olujuwon, Ewing or Shaq.
Bird, Dantley, Dominique, Mullins, Worthy, King, Rice, G Robinson and Grant Hill all use to cook Pippen.
Xavier McDaniels and Larry Johnson use to punk Pippen and Jamal Mashburn cooked Pippen for 50 points .
When u REACH I TEACH lol
Pippen didnt guard the best player smooth brain, they guarded their positions
The British dude ever watch basketball?
Ticket talking about Gilbert arenas never won a championship when he never stepped foot on a nba court lol
Well actually he has might want to learn before you speak
@@Sldumas1983 d league don’t count buddy 😂
@@Dusty3967 Well have you made it there buddy also played over seas 🤔
@@Sldumas1983I respect overseas hoopers but when you have to constantly bring up the fact that you played to try to validate your opinion when you never played in the actual league you are talking about is nasty to me.
@@Dusty3967 I mean it’s just as competitive, It’s still Pro Ball every play that plays in the NBA some of those guys get cut it’s political but the thing is there is a difference many NBA plays play over seas all these guys know each other.
What was the defensive rating when MJ retired??
Defensive rating is overrated Steph has a better defensive rating than klay
The white media loves Michael Jordan tbh.
Trollll
Yea Marz I think you’re overrating kawhi. I think the hands are neck and neck but Jordan feet were better and lateral quickness was better. I do think kawhi was stronger but I think jordan was a superior athlete and his motor was so high that’s why he was so much more deadly as a off ball defender and blocking shots. Even rebounding
Isnt stronger. Trolll
All I’m gonna say is, imagine kawhi with handchecking☠️
No
ticket still on here?
This was a while ago
If u think Jordan is better defender than kawhi than you should think he is by far the greatest player ever
Kawhi a better defender than Pippen
5:07 you can literally say that about Kobe and his MVPs lol he’s coming in 2nd and he’s just as good if not better. Lmaoo but chill towns ranks winning DOTY with context but doesn’t do that with Kobe with the MVP and uses that as a way to keep him out but if someone did that with Duncan and his defense it would be ridiculous right?! Look at the awards but add context
The blasphemy
Kawhi is a forward..hahaha..Mike is the greatest sg defender.
Stop using Mike name for clout.
Who r u bozos ?!😂😂😂
Look at the video of Jordan’s best defensive plays then get back to me.
Let’s be real Scottie is a better defender than Jordan.
Kwaie and tony allen
Jordan in his prime did not have to defend even close to number of talented players and level of talent that wings today have had to. This is a large reason i think Wade is a better shotblocker. Name tm5 truly great wings that jordan had to face??? Also, scottie was def a better defender than MJ
You again trolll? Eesh rent free
Of course your comment is nonsense as usual
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hu ill seriously and genuinely ask again, are u a homosexual? this is not the place to come on to dudes bro this is a sports video on youtube
@@dominicharris5489yawn with your projections trolll
Kawhi a better defender than Pippen
Oooh this a bunch of tethers
Marz is the king of tethers 😅
mars kicked yall ass on this one 😭😭😭😭😭
Guess not
The bulls had the same defensive rating when MJ retired the first time
Jordan left, not the scheme. And how good was that defense the second year when he came back for 17 games and took them to the playoffs? Cause they were in danger of not making it.
@@cnothegoat23 was that the defence or the offence that was the issue?
@@mylesallen5923goofy
🗣️MICHAEL JORDAN IS THEE G .🐐.A.T. DEFENDER .>🎤 🏀🗑️
He’s overrated if you say he’s a top 15 all time defender
he’s underrated if you are comparing him to guards and maybe even small forwards
Facts
He aint overrated at all. Nice try trolll
@@ronnellrandle569none found
this is just LOL at its finest
I think MJ gets overrated a lot. The eye test I don’t think he was a better defender than GP, Joe Dumars, Bruce Bowen, Tony Allen. But after that I think he’s up there with anybody. But if you want to go off accolades then yea he’s properly rated.
He's not overrated at all trolll
And he's better than those guys. Nice try trolll
And you have no eye test
Why are we pretending that the 90s was actually good quality basketball? Players could barely go left
Try harder trolll
I didn't bother watching. This episode is all for the clout & trolls
The DPOY is to the NBA what the MVP is to the NFL. Every year a QB wins the MVP and 9 times outta 10, a big man wins the DPOY but it doesn't tell the full story to that season.
Thats crazy tho . To think how great all the guards that won it try are.
How great top 5 in voting along with the Bigs are too sheesh
@@KrispyKleenex365to be fair, Hakeem had better defensive advanced numbers and impact but MJ was getting that media praise for his perimeter defense, the nba flipped flopped on awards
@@MOCdude I understand that.
What Im saying is. Since DPOY usually went to BIGS . Its highly impressive for Guards to be top 5 in DPOY voting when Bigs dominated that Award like how QBs in the NFL dominate when receiving MVPs
@@MOCdude
-In 1987-88
G :MJ won DPOY
C: Mark Eaton #2
C: Hakeem #3
G: ARobertson #4
G: MCooper # 5
C: Pat Ewing #6
-88-89
C: Eaton
C: Hakeem
PF: Rodman
C: M Bol
G: MJ
C: P Ewing
-89-90
PF: Rodman
C: Hakeem
G: JDumars
G: DHarper
C: MEaton
C: PEwing
G: MJ
G:ARobertson
-90-91
PF: Rodman
C: DRobinson
G: ARobertson
G: JDumars
C: Hakeem
C: P Ewing
G: DHarper
G: MJ
SF: Pippen
-91-92
C:DRobinson
PF: Rodman
G: MJ
SF: Pippen
G:JDumars
PF: KMalone
C:Hakeem
-92-93
C: Hakeem
G: MJ
C: DRobinson
PF: Rodman
C: P Ewing
G: Dan Majerle
-93-94
C: Hakeem
C: DRobinson
C: Mutombo
SF: Pippen
G: GPayton
PF: Rodman
G:Mookie Blaylock
-94-95
C: Mutombo
SF: Pippen
C: Hakeem
C:DRobinson
PF: A Mourning
G: G Payton
-95-96
G: GPayton
SF: Pippen
C: Mutombo
C:DRobinson
C:Hakeem
G:MJ
PF: Rodman
-96-97
C:Mutombo
G: G Payton
G: Mookie Blaylock
SF: Pippen
G: MJ
G: JDumars
PF H Grant
PF: S Kemp
-97-98
C: Mutombo
G: GPayton
G: MJ
G: Mookie
PF: Rodman
SF: Pippen
PF: KG
@@KrispyKleenex365 it is true, still impressed with how MJ was a defensive player
Old dude stay hating on kawhi for sum weird reason. In what world is kawhi an overrated defender? But mj is not an overrated defender at all. Arguably the best guard defender and easily top 10 perimeter defender ever... to say he better than kawhi is actually fkn dumb tho
MJ better. Cope
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 grow up lil guy. Learn to be a leader not a follower
@@Nca021 cope harder lil guy
This is entirely subjective but I've been watching the Bulls Championship Runs again and I kinda agree... Pippen was by far a better defender by 96. Not saying MJ couldn't defend or wasn't impactful defensively - he just wasn't as good as Pippen around that time. I don't know who I'd replace him with in those All Defensive Teams, though. Still think he was defender at his position.
Nope. Try harder trolll
Pippen will never be a better defender than Jordan. Goofball
And no you havent
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hu
You're the saddest dude I have ever seen in this channel's comment section.
@@HopefulNihilist dont project princess
I know a lot of the bulls games back then, Scottie guarded the opposing teams best player and it allowed Jordan to Rome on defense.
Capp
If that's true then how did MJ lead the league in steals averaging 2.3 SPG while Pippen was there with him?
@tajgibson8776 you can get steals by playing passing lanes and coming off of a poor offensive player to sneak a steal.
@@tajgibson8776do u know how roaming works?
Dpoy year means what it means Dpoy not who is the career best defender, and non of those players are better defenders than Jordan as a big it's your job to defend the paint and protect the rim that was not Jordan's job, Jordan was the best defender at his position so he can't be a overrated defender, just because you get a few blocks on 6ft gaurd driving the lane but getting cooked by other bigs at your position don't make you a good defender to me
Name me one guy that averaged over 30 points or took 25 shots a game that he locked up 😂. Name me one guy in top 10 scoring that he had to guard? His defense looked better because half the dudes in y’all era had they ass pointed to rim and not making no moves 😂.
Well if u feel like that then why do u overly rate Pippen defense then?
Your comment makes no sense trolll
MJ overrated as a whole
Try harder trolll
MJ was always beloved by the media that’s why I say he’s the greatest and will never be caught. He’s not the best player I seen tho
No one cares what you seen trolll
I feel what Rasheed said I mean he won all these defensive all teams and we all know Scottie was a better defensive player and you gotta ask yourself who was the best player Jordan had to guard🤔🤔🤔
When u say "WE" who is we because I don't see Pippen as a better defender than Jordan so "WE" as in U believe that not "WE"
Jordan guarded da SG and Pippen guarded da SF.
Da best player were mostly da Big Men and there is no time Pippen ran up and down the court guarding Olujuwon, Ewing or Shaq to name a few.
Bird, Dantley, Dominique, Mullins, Worthy, King, Rice, G Robinson and Grant Hill all use to cook Pippen.
Xavier McDaniels and Larry Johnson use to punk Pippen and Jamal Mashburn cooked Pippen for 50 points.
Nice try though
@@g24deez my fault you right not we more like the ones who know ball💯
@beeredd7678 nba2k is not reality so technically u don't know basketball lil fella lol.
U just another nba2k playing, UA-cam highlights watching, nba reference stat line reading, and analytical tracking fan boy who knows absolutely nothing about basketball.
Nice try though. When u REACH I TEACH 💯
@@g24deez if you teaching why didn't you answer my question, who was Jordan guarding like really he won defensive player of the year in what 88 plzzzz tell me his tuffest defensive matchup plzzz
I'll wait
@beeredd7678 actually lil fella I said Jordan guarded da SG lil fella.
I also said Pippen guarded da SF lil fella.
They guarded their positions back then lil fella but during da games Jordan and Pippen would switch sometimes but it wasn't because Jordan was incapable of guarding his man nope it was strategic
I did answer ur question u just don't like my answer lil fella. Or maybe u lack comprehension skills lol
When u REACH I TEACH
Steal and blocks are really misleading stats. They might tell u how aggressive a defender is but not how good a defender is. Hassan Whiteside in 2019 averaged just as many rebounds and more blocks than the dpoy Rudy Gobert but he wasn't even in the race cause his defensive rating was crap, more concerned with making highlight reel blocks than actually playing good defense.
Jordan would get cooked if guys would iso him like he did guys but players who actually are elite, but Jordan is definitely a scrappy defender because of how the bulls was built defensively
Ur lying. U idiots act as if we don't watch tape.
many of players are getting cooked in the scenario when they are matched up with all time greats.
Mj better than Kawhi Leonard on defense? Lol. Hahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahaha
He is obviously
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hu you have never watched an MJ entire game in your life lol
@@Edd-zd5wb and yet i have. Trolll
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hu Troll? Im having an obviously correct opinion. Kawhi guarding LeBron Jordan guarding.... who? Gary Payton? Lol
@@Edd-zd5wb Payton and Leonard are the same type of players trolll
Nah MJ is definitely overrated if you said he's better than Kawhi. Kawhi peak defensive years playing in an era of peak peremeter talents is insane. Teams were literally playing 4 on 4 to take him out of plays, dude was ripping balls out of players' hands like they're children, he dove for steals without even looking, that is just insane. Mj is on the level of Kobe, Tony Allen... but not Gary Payton, Pippen, Kawhi, Rodman.
If you’re gonna bring up eras, then bring up that Jordan also played in a big man era where majority of players were bigger than him. And he still produced as much as he did on defense, and he’s a better defender than Kobe bro😂
Na Lebron is definitely overrated for a guy to call himself the GOAT who never won DPOTY
Nope. Try harder trolll
Jordan was a better defender than Moncrief. Jordan n Kawhi is close but I prob would edge MJ slightly. Not mad if u pick Kawhi over MJ but its not by much
Leonard aint close to MJ
Smooth brain
Jordan was getting worked by rod strickland
Jordan locked him up in game 2 97 playoffs, 1st round
@@judahmourneth3211hes one of those Assumptions experts 😂 that doesnt watch games simply looks at stats and hates on “old heads” 😂
Basically he is clueless and delusional
@@KrispyKleenex365 lmao I didn’t bring up any stats just pointed out that rod Strickland gave Jordan work with a little left to right
@@huncho5554 my apologies for assuming you were a “Stat guy”
And MJ getting worked seemed like you was saying Rod Strickland gave MJ the business which is False.
If Rod Shook MJ a couple times thats a whole different story.
I respect your reply but disagree with your original comment.
Got Proof?
@@KrispyKleenex365 they just say things because they never watched the 90s
MARS schooling these 2 old school clown's thanks youngster for not drinking the MJ kool-aid 😅
So he's not. Trolll
😂😂😂why is ticket shitting on pippen defensively??
Pippen was overrated
Remember. Jordan is god. He has no flaws. I watched Jordan play and his defense reminds me of Westbrook. lol he would get blown by often. But he was a good shot blocker but staying in front of a defender. He was not that good.
Try harder trolll
96 to 98 his defense was overrated
Nope. Trolll