So I Finally Watched Attack On Titan's Ending.. Were The Manga Readers Right?
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- I finally found time to watch Attack on Titan's last 2 episodes which makes this my longest video ever. Did the Final episodes of Aot suck?
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Lol I know I'm a month late. better later than never I guess. Will be Uploading a lot more plus that velma video Trust :)
Glad you're back, you're looking well.
For content I would recommend, The Eminence in Shadow/Kage no Jitsuryokusha ni Naritakute.
Eren’s character got assassinated. Agree or disagree?
@@jackambrose2762 strongly disagree
@@WesSideLive Generally the biggest issue people have with Eren's character was the fact he does not even know why he started the rumbling.
AOT IS THE GOAT
Eren and Pixis in season 1 had a conversation about a folk lore story, in which it was a scenario where all of man was at war with each other until an enemy so great appeared and they had no choice but to band together to stop it.
Eren called it ridiculous because he couldn’t see it happening
Funny how it all worked out in the end
But the Marleyans and Eldians at fort Salta represent exactly that. You can see that in the people trying to escape the rumbling too. They're still fighting even though the world is ending right in front of them. The point is that a lasting peace can only be brought about when you're actually trying to understand one another. The common enemy can only last for so long.
This is just another one of the many reasons why the ending makes no sense lol
@@TKOTDtvMusicwhat you on about☠️
I just find it baffling because yah, Eren and Commander Pixis had that conversation. They both know that humanity has always danced around a knifes edge killing each other over petty reasons. When the Titans showed up and "supposably" killed all of humanity except for those that "retreated to the walls" Guess what...most of the big heads and higher ups that knew of the outside world were still doing that. Continuing on with plans of bloodlust and petty greed. Eren more than anyone saw that inside the walls was just as corrupt as the outside was with Marley...but the rest of the world needed to be stomped out to fulfil a garbage fantasy a future version of himself wanted where paradise survives and outside that island is just a blank canvas brim for exploration. And anyone who DARES to subvert that fantasy is "an Enemy of Freedom" (whateevr the fuck that means anymore). I swear I feel like i'm going crazy when I tell people Erens character did a complete 180 from the start of the Marley arc for the worst and I get called media illiterate.
@@TheHaloAdventureShow U pretty much described how much of a fucking illiterate you are. Right from the very beginning of S1 ever since Armin showed eren the book which describes how outside the walls there is frozen earth,lands of sand,vast amount of sea ,Fiery water, These depictions were what drove eren to fight from s1-s3 because he felt that the walls were trapping them and they were not free what he wanted was to explore the places that Armin showed.But when he gets grisha's memories he realises that outside the walls it's not like that instead filled with people who wants to kill eldians. When eren infiltrated Marley he taught everyone in that land was an enemy who deserves to die but he realizes that the outside world is just like Paradis where it's filled with good guys and bad guys and he becomes conflicted just like reiner that's the reason he decides to visit reiner to see if he wavered and regretted his actions and eren realizes that reiner destroyed the walls because of his twisted selfish ideals and eren is about to do that same to achieve that twisted selfish idea of his where everything outside the walls is barren with no humans, eren's goal right from the beginning was not to free the people inside the walls of their suffering or protecting eldia it was always to see the sight of things that Armin showed. Also just as eren and Pixys discussed how even if there are 2 humans left conflict will arise that was shown with marleyeans and eldians fighting on fort slava but it also showed us despite this there still people who want to protect a baby in their last final moments as hope and that's what the story leaves us with that even if all this terrible shit happens hope is the essential for humanity
Seeing 'The End' instead of 'To be continued' was a feeling only a true Attack On Titan fan can understand. I am really glad I watch this show.
What does this even mean? Many shows have cliff hangers. It's not that deep lol.
@@mysteryace2129it's not about being 'deep'
It's about the feeling of finality
Imagine when One Piece ends
@@voracities I’m sure the 14 people still watching it will be losing their mind!!
@@theredpillneo2296Tbf after One Piece live action lot of people have started watching/reading it.
Uncle Iroh in response to the Rumbling:
“He’s crazy and he needs to go down.”
It was honestly so smart to just wait for both Final parts to come out and watch them back to back fresh.
More like will power because a lot of people wouldn't be able to wait!
They needed people to forget important context so that they wouldn’t see the inconsistencies in the ending
@@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus Masterpiece = crying like a bitch and all your friends siding with people that hate you LMAO
@@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus Nahh, The D riding is crazy.
@@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalushes right tho eren as a character changed if you are a monthly manga reader back then its so clear that they changed the changed the character if you are an anime only you woundt even noticed it becauze the gap between new seasons of the anime is huge so the so the important conext is gonna be forgetten by the anime onlies
the anime ending is better but its still had the issue and the ending is far from masterpiece 100% Isayama assinated his character and made it to the shippers lol
I guess, in the end, Jean DID beat Eren
But seriously, Eren crying over Mikasa after slaughtering billions is CRAZY
it's not that crazy
It really isn't.
Facts. Ending Defenders keep saying it shows he's human, but they completely forgot that Eren already showed he's human when he cried over that kid.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928why can’t he cry again?
Yeah Eren crying over Mikasa was dumb asf bro never show any romantic interest towards her not one time for the entire show 😭
Say what you want about the finale. I’m just happy that Levi got that lollipop 🍭 😊
Levi spending the rest of his life to give happiness to children felt so pure. I also loved that Connie is able to get his mom back too.
See ppl like you two would’ve liked any ending. Just fanboys through and through😂
@wespicedmemes Loving Connie and Levi having a nice ending makes me a fan that would have been ok with any ending? Wtf lol
@@dajex16 bruh literally said “say what you want” which is implying he would’ve been satisfied as long as Levi got his lollipop or something. And that’s ok but you know
@wespicedmemes Excuse us for wanting a happy ending for the best character of the show. That just makes is aWfUl fans
After hange dies:
Wes - Eran did something wrong
I always find people's reactions to Eren letting out his true emotions always funny like this man was so good at acting that he fooled literally everyone
"true emotions". aha, sure
@@missingno88 but it is lmao flock profile pic checks out
@@missingno88 Man f*ck no flock don't let that 🥷talk to you like that! Ending haters stand up!🤝🤝 Im kidding yall please chill 😂
@missingno9874 you're proving his point 😂
He was such a good actor he fooled himself on his inner monologues.
I love how the anime ending is like 10,000X better than the manga ending and they didn’t even change the final conversation between Eren and Armin all that much.
Instead of changing WHAT was said, they changed WHEN certain things in the conversation were said.
In the manga, Eren reveals that The Rumbling has wiped out 80% of humanity pretty early on into the conversation, and then everything regarding his feelings for Mikasa happens immediately after.
In the anime, Eren doesn’t bring up how The Rumbling has killed 80% of humanity until closer to the end of the conversation, with his feelings for Mikasa happening earlier.
It’s not an overly big change, but it makes an amazing difference.
Goes to show that in the manga itself Isayama was on the brink of everlasting greatness and fell just ever so slightly short. The anime captured the subtleties he couldn’t quite convey.
I don't think the final scene with Ymir shows what really happened. I think it shows what Ymir is thinking right now. She wonders what would have happened if she had let Fritz die, just as Mikasa did with Eren. She reflects on the life with her daughters that she lost because of her decision.
Yeah ....
Yup
Which final scene are you refering to?
That’s exactly what it’s alluding to. Ymir was attached to Mikasa in her undying love and she needed to see what could have been for her life.
That would be delusional on her part, as people would only see her as a monster, especially the ones she personally ravaged since she did most of the work. She didn't exactly have the intelligence to figure out how to disable the power either. Heck, even Eren couldn't get rid it of it completely. 2000 years might have passed in the real world, but even longer passed in the paths. Her intelligence between then and now would be astronomically different. And considering the times they lived in, it wouldn't be impossible for a descendant or even her daughters to try to take her power for themselves.
“I don’t want misaka to love another man, even after I die”
Well considering Jean getting that Will smith treatment, I’d say mission failed successfully
Lmfao! Facts. Jean clapped them Ackerman cheeks and put a bun in the oven. Eren looking up from hell as Jean smiles in glee
Then Jean proceeded to clap Mikasa's cheeks and dance on Eren's grave with the physical evidence of their copulation.
Y’all are fucking weird man also it wasn’t him just some random dude.
you just know that at Mikasa told Jean that she thinks Eren lives on as a Bird and everytime they have sex Jean goes at it from the back just so he can stare at the Bird looking through the window.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928aye at least Eren got some cheeks from Annie before he died, hell even from Historia. Ended giving her a child before he left. 😂
Ya’ll can say what you want, but I see that as a win for my boy
tbh I'm not sure how serious I can take any of the criticism of regarding Eren crying when ppl boil it down to 'Eren is a simp/incel/cuck.' The modern generation is so obsessed with these words that they apply them to any character who shows any vulnerability towards a girl, because they self-insert themselves towards the ‘chad’ persona , and just idealize a superficial notion of masculinity.
TLDR; While I really agree with your statement, I think Erin has actually earned the title because of his actions and comparing to other characters who get flack for very minor stuff or more justifiable circumstances I mentioned below.
I'll say this. Usually I agree with your sentiment "simp/incel/cuck' has been overused like crazy and has been poorly misused to blindly shame male characters who have conflicts concerning women or unsatisfying moments regarding love:
Guts from Berserk being called a cuck for wanting to spin back on Griffith for literally 'raping' Casca his girlfriend as if she was cheating on him
Satoru Fujinuma from Erased being called a simp because at 14, he helped out a girl he started to like from getting 'murdered' by her psychotic teacher and abusive mom, ending up in a 14 year coma no one was sure he'd wake up from, and she has a child just right before he wakes up from it and anime fans were mad she didn't 'save herself for him' like she wasn't allowed to live her life
Even Kazuya from Rent A Girlfriend is still being called an incel for what he did to Chizuru in episode 1, even though they long grew from that point, and his thing with Ruka, but as someone who has kept up with the series, Ruka and Mami the ex are objectively more toxic because they are actively trying to make both Kazuya and Chizuru's lives Hell because one really likes him to the point it's just lust and the other just wants to be a homewrecker because of her own personal problems on top of his extreme weak will. Dude makes Shinji Ikari look like Captain America.
Erin, however, is different. Crying that he wanted Mikasa despite the extreme crap and his too cool for school attitude he was pulling throughout the series, and at its endgame no less, just screams punk. It's more that he wanted Mikasa to be stuck on him and it's only until Mikasa moves on that he starts to freak out like this I don't like using that title, but Erin has earned it. This scene is the pool scene from Rent A Girlfriend level of cuckoldry.
@@yoder6162 Eren literally never discloses his true feelings to her and does exactly the opposite by telling her to forget about him and be free when he creates that cabin dream sequence, so Eren’s last conversation PERIODICALLY is him ENCOURAGING her to move on from him.
In his conversation with Armin, he even corrects himself by saying that he truly wants her to be happy and that he doesn't really have a right to feel bad for himself because he's committing mass genocide. But he still felt overwhelmed in the last conversation with his closest friend, after having bottled everything up for years, and so he let that desire out. Hoping the person you love doesn't move on is not a healthy thing but it is extremely common. Eren isn't some sort of robot, so he's not exempt from such emotions/flaws, particularly in his most broken moment. Yes Eren pushed her away but that’s what true love is. If you truly love someone you’re not going to involve them in whatever horrific thing you’re about to do but rather make them stay away from it as much as possible.
Not to mention by definition alone Eren can’t be a simp, incel nor a cuck. A simp is a person who in exchange for affection tries to act better with a certain person, a cuck is man whose wife or girlfriend is cheating on him and he does nothing and an incel is one who wishes to find a girlfriend but cannot find one.
It is clear that Eren is not a simp bcuz he has never actually sought Mikasa's attention through sympathetic behaviour, not a cuck bcuz Eren and Mikasa are never together and even when Eren was alive she only cared for him and nor is he an incel since he’s in love with a woman who loves him back and the reason why the two are not together is because Eren is doomed to die not bcuz Eren can’t gain her affection.
Honestly if someone applies any of those words to Eren I might as well say that “Guts spends the whole story simping for a retarded girl he was with for 4 days.” See how it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
@@lpassione I agree with everything you said except your definitions on simp/cuck/incel are crazy wrong. If it's exactly what you said, then literally everyone is that or a mix of two. We have enough confusion on Twitter/X for this:
"A simp is a person who in exchange for affection tries to act better with a certain person"
This ended up being my longest one. So wanting to be a better person, improve your character, and bettering your prospects for life, even just trying to better your approach because you like someone else instantly makes you a simp? Not say doing fallacious or self degrading things that are rather out of character that would most definitely put your dignity at risk and deliberately putting yourself in bad positions just for getting the box or making complete disregards to obvious red flags on the lack of quality in the woman or man they are trying to appeal to? Obviously no one is perfect but actual simping stays stagnant. The difference between what makes someone a simp or not is risk management.
* You don't have to read this part, these parts are for context to remove any room for doubt, but a perfect example of a real simp is Mordecai from Regular Show. Margaret had some clear major red flags when you really pay attention to the story. Even had a different boyfriend almost every appearance and the things Mordecai did just to get her attention wouldn't just put himself in bad positions, but Rigby too, and later his ex CJ. Another is Tom from Tom & Jerry in the episode Blue Cat Blues. He was too willing to risk everything for a girl he hardly even knew. People like to lump characters like Phillip J Fry (Futurama) and Steve Urkel (Family Matters) in the simp group but I can't agree because Fry was a lazy, good for nothing at the start of the series who didn't try to improve himself until he developed more profound feelings for Leela and every slow change he made for himself worked in his favor at the end without humiliating himself and it's not as if Fry's efforts went to waste or that he didn't also improve for himself and Fry did get a few occasional hookups along the way. As for Steve Urkel, Laura actually did care and had actual respect for Steve the whole time, even had his back in several occasions. The reason she was mostly uninterested in him romantically was because Steve's advances makes him come off as a total weirdo at times. Man even snuck at her window once to reinact Romeo & Juliet. Thank goodness he got over that phase later.
"A cuck is man whose wife cheating on him and he does nothing"
What exactly is doing nothing? Cuckoldry is knowing she/he is cheating or has/will stepped outside the boundaries of their established relationship and preferring to keeping it going because they secretly enjoy the feeling of anguish behind it as since of gratification.
*A perfect example of this is Kazuya from Rent A Girlfriend. His imaginations on the girls he likes and how clear they are is concerning. He's even beating his meat to the thought of it and the anime hasn't caught up to this yet, but remember the pool scene? He's literally in public getting a stiffy over a vivid and detailed NTR scene while thinking of Chizuru who he has spent considerably personal months with getting ran through not because he thinks she's a slut, but because he thinks he's not good enough for her. He did the same thing in episode 1 concerning his ex after getting dumped, but Chapter 218 is infamous for a special reason. Also, the whole renting Chizuru as a fake girlfriend, he doesn't even have to do that anymore since the beach incident. She already likes him back, but he keeps insisting they do it, I know it's supposed to make up for his behavior on the first date, but still. I would say Jerry from Rick & Morty, but Beth cheated on him with herself a clone and Jerry ended up having a whole threesome with them in the same episode on the same day I believe. I want to say Dale Gribble from King of the Hill, but he's just comedically unaware of it despite everyone else, even the neighbor kids knowing.
"An incel is one who wants a girlfriend but cannot find one"
What is this definition? That's literally 90% of all men if you think that's what it means. So say you are a slob or a stereotypical (wo)manchild. You think (wo)men should just flock to your feet and accept you as you are? That's not even how finding dates works. No. An incel is someone who harbors unfairly harsh and extreme resentment and invoke malicious treatment for those s*xually active likely because their own people skills are severely lacking. It's not automatically just guys that can't get a date. That statement is way too absurd. You can be dateless and not be an incel.
*Want a good example? Think Count Frollo from Hunchback of Notre Dame. He's exactly this. There's also The Phantom of the Opera who is just insufferable to women and causes his own problems while being an enigmatic douchebag.
*No one fits all three of these definitions more than Norville " Shaggy" Rodgers from Velma. Guy is just the trifecta.
The only thing I said with Eren is that the scene itself has a less sympathetic touch to Eren's romantic side because he wants Mikasa to stay reliant to him even longer despite the fact he's dying soon, made no moves on her, disrespected her romantic feelings for him throughout the series and easily makes him come off as an entitled beat rather than a human dealing with grief in his final moments where his love life is involved. He doesn't want her to move on and that selfish resolve at the end of everything will change the introspection of Eren for the worst as time moves on. It makes him look more pathetic than sympathetic. He had his chance and blew it completely.
Exactly!
@@yoder6162
Earlier you said and I quote “I think Erin has actually earned the title” and now you actually do agree that Eren can’t fit into any of these categories bcuz simply no man is one. Is that correct?
Anyway here are the exact definitions of these words and why exactly Eren can’t be one of them.
“Simp is someone, usually a man, who is excessively attentive, submissive, or generous to someone else, often in a romantic or platonic context, in the hopes of receiving affection or favor”
Again my point stands as Eren never tries to win over Mikasa in any point of the story by being those things above.
“Incel is member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile towards women and men who are sexually active”
Again how does Eren fit into any of these categories. Is he a part of an online community that has views that is hostile towards women? No. Is he unable to attract a woman? No bcuz Mikasa is attracted to him.
“Cuck: Short for “cuckold,” this term referred to a man whose wife is sexually unfaithful, often without his knowledge. In modern usage”
When I meant “do nothing” I meant that the man didn’t leave the women and instead watch her cheat on him. Again how does Eren fall into this category when he and Mikasa are never together and even when he was alive Mikasa was only interested in him.
Anyway Eren displayed both selfish and selfless acts in that scene by both not wanting Mikasa to move on from him and by not telling her his true feelings and instead telling the opposite. That’s what’s sympathetic about it. It’s extremely realistic to not want your partner to move on from you immediately when you die and it’s extremely selfless to not even disclose these feelings for them.
Aside from season 4 where he deliberately pushed her bcuz it was exactly what he had to do bcuz if truly love someone you’re not going to involve them in whatever horrific thing you’re about to do but rather make them stay away from it as much as possible, saying that he wasn’t direct at her in one point is wrong. He literally asked her “what am I to you” and basically gave her the chance for them to actually be together but bcuz Mikasa was afraid of Eren’s reaction she chose the easy and safe answer.
Lastly Eren not really showcasing romantic feelings prior to season 4 kinda makes sense. I mean, I remember in season 3 when the scouts were teasing Marlowe about why Hitch didn’t want him to join the Scouts (because she was in love with him), and Eren was the only one who defended Marlowe because he is just romantically clueless, or not understanding why Jean would feel jealous when he was peeking into Mikasa doing push-ups. He just wasn’t really romantically developed at the age of 15 like his other friends, especially since he always had to shoulder the weight of the entire world on his back, so, he didn’t really have time to think about stuff like romance. This is not his fault.
That’s why his breakdown in the end makes sense to me because all of his emotions just piled up in the end. Eren's focus has always been on survival and the larger mission, leaving little room for personal or romantic development. This lack of romantic awareness, coupled with his intense focus on greater responsibilities and anger to the world just contributed to his emotional outburst, as years of suppressed feelings and personal needs surfaced unexpectedly.
the Baby in Red is a referance to the move "Schindler's List" with the little girl in the red jacket
8:33 Armin really is part Berthold now. Eren wasn't capping
35:14 ah, the scene. Hopefully it makes sense now that you seen it, but just in case- remember- Eren said he has no past or future in his head, it's all one big mish-mash. So you're seeing young boy Eren to Big Boy Eren all at once. I think they tried to show that with them starting as young boys walking around, but it's probably hard to depict without exposition.
42:45 AoT is number one, the rest is mostly nostalgia boosting the numbers. Hot take, I know, it's okay
"We got Code Geass ending at home"
The meme is that the thing at home should be worse bro
@@roofcel1 AoT is the Code Geass at home... as in worse. Do you get the joke now?
Eren never tried to go for the Code Geass ending though. He wanted to destroy everything beyond the walls. It was only after Ymir fully lent him her powers that he realized that his friends would kill him.
Him saying that at least they will be seen as heroes and live long lives was him coping with failing.
He forsook trying for peace after the Pro Eldian rally still advocated eliminating the Island Devils.
Code Geass is really good, but AoT is better in my opinion.
@@BS-jg7dy I think both are good although Geass has been made worse with the continuation series as it undid all of Lelouchs Zero Requiem
In the original manga, Armin THANKS Eren for becoming a mass murderer! I still have a bunch of other issues with the ending, but at least the anime changed that one!
Imagine if the dog gets mutated instead and we finally see how terrifying Clifford can be.
Hey Wes, glad to see you enjoyed the anime ending. As a manga reader who felt disappointed with how rushed and out of place the ending felt (mostly in the conversation between Eren and Armin), I'm definitely much more pleased with how the anime handled it and how it added entirely new dialogue. Here are some scenes that were added in/replaced in the anime ending so it makes a bit more sense why a lot of manga readers did not like the ending.
1. *Anime original scene:* After Eren's breakdown, it proceeds as normal as in the manga, except a big difference in the manga is that Eren doesn't tell Armin he killed 80% after his breakdown about Mikasa, and Armin doesn't get disgusted or infuriated and grab Eren's shirt yelling at him "How could you?! Eren! Why?!"
*Original manga:* He actually tells him he killed 80% earlier in the chapter when they're still their childhood counterparts, and Armin looks horrified for a panel, and says, "did you really have to go that far?" but that's about it. In the anime, it's incredibly different where Armin's reaction to his best friend successfully killing 80% of humanity is a lot more realistic, which is mostly why I think it's far superior. In fact, everything from 36:40 onwards is almost completely anime original.
2. *Anime original scene:* Eren calling himself an idiot who "just got a hold of godlike powers and that's why things ended up the way they did" was not in the manga.
3. *Anime original scene:* Armin admitting to Eren that he also had thoughts about killing those outside the walls. Armin saying “We'll go to hell together for killing 80% of humanity” was originally a scene that had an absolutely terrible panel that almost everyone collectively thought was a bad scene was Armin saying to Eren “Thank you, Eren. You became a mass murderer for our sake. I promise I won't let it go to waste.”
"I promise I won't let it go to waste". He fucking did. Armin went from one of the best characters, from an absolute King, to a fucking retard
No, the anime ending also sucked, it’s pretty much the exact same as the manga ending, just a few line changes, no actual change in plot
"I promise I won't let these *ERRORS/TRANSGRESSIONS* go to waste."
You forgot such detail that Japanese is a very different language than English thus the translation errors bound to happen somewhat that in fact, every actual Japanese fans understood the ending really well even when the Manga ending was released
@@naufalalbarinah that was like the only scene the Japanese fans complained about. Which is why iseyama changed it in the anime and even apologised for it. It was just terrible dialogue
@raversarigol3052 what world do you live in? Manga was heavily liked in japan. Isayama changed it for western peeps cuz he knows they always taking stuff for granted
I read the manga and, frankly, I don't see what are the inconsistencies and the "character assassination" some people talk about. Everything makes sense, the characters act according to their personallity and the Theme of freedom is well developed. I just don't see what people hated so much, no matter how many reviews I read/watch.
It's because he's the main character at the end losing everything for basically nothing apart for peace for his people for a little while and the fact people don't understand he's a complete dumbass with power he shouldn't have just like Reiner said
37:43 change your fire alarm batteries 💀💀💀
Yes I understand that Eren doesn’t want genocide the earth, that was perfectly clear and beautifully portrayed with him crying over the settlement and apologizing to Ramzi.
I did NOT need to see Eren crying before Armin.
Yeah, people like to say that the fans who dislike that scene didn't understand Eren character but literally everyone loved when Eren breakdowns in front of Ramzi, because it was just a better way of showing his struggles with his actions, in simple terms, Eren with Ramzi looked like how an adult in his situation would react, while Eren with Armin felt like a child showing how misfortunate they were.
@@ShotterGamesbut his mindset is that of a child's. I think that's the point
I am sorry Wes if you didn't think Eren killing his own mom isn't one of the greatest character assassination in anime I don't know what to say.
Facts. Ending defenders are so brain dead it's not even funny 😂
@@thelegacyofgaming2928sped boy go back on your short bus
Eren is a bigger literal cuckold than Deku. That is canon.
Also Eren killed his own mother and chose to kill his own mother to motivate himself but he didn't need to kill his own mother.
Also the island eventually gets genocided by the rest of the world.
That is honestly a good ending to you animewatchers?
I mean honestly the mother would of died regardless he didn't need to personally kill her it's kinda like why
found the titanfolk member
I read the manga beforehand and liked it even then, the anime just improved it further. The first two points really don't matter (like, him killing his mom was kinda pointless, sure, but it was like one throwaway line, it doesn't really affect that much) Also who cares if he's a "cuck"?
The island getting genocided (which isn't confirmed to have been done by the "rest of the world", we don't know which country did it) doesn't really matter. Like, sure, hundreds to thousands of years later Paradis got bombed... so what? That's just how life is, no civilisation lasts forever and war never changes. If hundreds of years from now, whatever country you live in got bombed to oblivion, would you say that makes your life worthless?
@@galarstar052 Well yeah if my family and children all died horrible deaths the moment I was gone I would feel kinda miffed and wonder what I did wrong
Also I want to propose something to you
IF hero academia ended with Deku watching as a ghost while bakugo pipes Ochaco then hero academia fans would be called cuickolds by the entire anime community all day long. (even more than already)
But here we have AoT ending with Eren watching as a bird while Mikasa gets piped by Jean and you cuckolds defend this shit.
You don't think there is anything wrong with cuckolding?
So having feelings for the someone of the opposite sex is cuckoldry now apparently
Wes I heard the beep of the smoke detector, you gotta be better man😂😂
It's so surreal seeing this show come to an end. I started this show in middle school when I was 12. I remember seeing the first episode and talking about it with my friends how crazy it was. It was truly an honor to be on this decade long journey.
Im proud to say we all gave our hearts. Especially during the 5 year wait between season 1 & 2.
Past Wes: The ending can’t be that bad
Manga readers: DELUSIONS
In the end the manga readers were delusional.
@@Hobie02425I concur
@@Hobie02425ikr they were so caught up in their fan theories that they lost the plot
@@Hobie02425 they were right so what exactly were they delusional about
@@lilg6615 no they were completely wrong. Hence, delusional.
The anime make the ending so much better cos of the animation, music, the voice acting (we can actually hear their suffering), and I heard they also change a couple of lines too
The problem with Eren crying for Mikasa is that it came out of nowhere. Not once did we see him express any romantic love for her but suddenly we find out that he does. It just came out of left field. That's the problem with it.
it’s been hinted at a lot 😭😭
So youre just gonna ignore s2 finale or s4 finale? lmao
@@Matterz25 Yes but its never part of the plot other than cliche wink wink. Its a cringe relationship to begin with and ultimately ends up this "tragic romance" that couldn't come to fruition at any point due to Eren who literally killed 80% of the population not being able to say hey I love you at some point after all of these life and death situations they've been through. Also this ship ends up saving frikking Ymir? Why the fuck do you care so much Eren? You should be piping your adopted sister in the trees somewhere but nah he wanted to be a devil and still not get laid.
It couldve been more on the nose I agree, but there were moments. Season 2 ending for example, and season 4 where all of them talk about who will inherit Erens titan, and he blushes. Pretty clear sign if you ask me
@@jonfx6768 really a blushing? 🤣I guess Historia loved Eren then, Armin too lmaaooo
I agree, it is crazy that Reiner, the man who wanted to die the most outta anyone, survived till the end. Good for him though.
Nahhhh you right you are confused. There was no way theyre beating Eren without him letting them. Eren shouldve locked in and put his goal of ending the world over his friends. If they wanted to try to stop him they could but he shouldnt have pulled him punches.
Yes He can literally control them bc they’re eldians lol
Mikasa contributed nothing to the story past season 1, only to end up being the chosen one
exactly. literally zero character development throughout the entire show.
@@missingno88 To be fair, she DID have little mini-arcs here and there, but most if not all them had her going in circles.
For a stupid reason because the reason was that ymir needed mikasa to get over eren by killing him so she could be encourage to get over the king. People saying this is peak writing really are not thinking straight.
@@kyordannydelvalle523 aot fanboys being delusional? How am i not surprised.
Her existence became redundant when Levi showed up
The only character who truly won in the end was Jean, Paradis may be burning generations into the future and the whole world hates Eldians more than ever before but he got them cheeks before Eren even had the chance.
But to be real for a second here the anime ending is slightly better than the manga’s but only just barely, while it doesn’t bring the rest of the series down for me it’s still not a good ending but it is what it is.
I’m just glad we’re getting the resurgence with the memes.
idk if the world hates eldians more than ever. I mean, they can't even tell the difference anymore with no armbands and no titan powers.
So many people are not understanding why Eren is crying now in this specific way.
Eren's crying scene seems out of place, bc we haven't seen Eren be emotional ever since before the Historia queen ceremony, before he saw his own death.
In that Eren v Armin conversation, Isayama is showing us the effects of Eren's head being scrambled (remember he sees no past or future) so Armin is talking to kid Eren and teen Eren all at the same time.
So when Armin mentioned Mikasa finding another dude, more of kid Eren came out naturally in that scene since he didn't have to put on a "facade" anymore like in Season 4 pt 1.
Plus it's just those two that exist in Eren's founding titan dream-space so Eren can just be straight-up honest to his bro.
Also, it's not like he stayed that emotional for the rest of the convo, he got back to being depressed when he revealed he killed 80% of the world.
And finally, now we know the reason why Eren was crying in the tree in the very first episode.
people don't have a problem with eren crying, they have a problem about what eren is crying about, we literally saw eren cry infront ramzi over something that makes sense like having to genocide the world but here he's literally crying over his step sibling that he's never shown any interest in getting railed by another man in the future after slaughtering millions of innocent people, also making eren a facade just completely undermines his entire character
Nope, he showed emotion when he cried in front of ramzi
@@lilg6615literally bro.
The problem isn’t him crying it’s about what he’s crying about like that man killed 80% percent of humanity and he’s worried about his sister getting with another man. Like thats actually stupid. Like this whole ending
@@Big_Grandaddy So he can ONLY be affected by 1 thing? This is his last time to be able to speak with his closest friend and Armin brought up the topic in the first place and he still tried to play it off and keep those emotions inside until Armin forced it out of him. He would not have brought that up or even cried had Armin not pushed him, it really just sounds like you wanted him to be emotionless and evil and only have 1 factor in him as a character.
KEEP U FLO GOING BRO
32:55 I'm sorry, but this twist is terrible. Generally this show did a great job at them, but Isayama didn't think this shit through in the slightest.
It's cool for the shock factor, but think about the implications.
Eren can control titans ACROSS ALL SPACE AND TIME.
In that case literally why did anyone on Paradis even get eaten in the first place?
Also you can't tell me that Dina eating Berthold wouldn't have led to an objectively better outcome.
All the other terrible shit about the ending aside, that twist makes Eren so OP that a bunch of the story suddenly makes no sense anymore
i mean eren has the power of a god but did you have a problem with Eren telling his father to kill the reiss family
@@kafukwamekemeh I think the thing with Eren influencing Grisha was pretty cool (it obviously leads to a paradox, but I guess those are normal for stories with any sort of time fuckery).
What bothers me tho is that Grisha giving Eren the Titans makes no sense when the words that scene ends with are "Zeke, please stop Eren."
I guess it sorta had to happen, but not properly adressing that makes it still feel like a plothole/copout.
Anyway. Eren being able to manipulate past Attack Titans is cool. Controlling random pure titans across all space and time is dumb and busted
@@DestinySpider Grisha gave young eren his titan in order to avenge Carla's death as he didn't know about that due to future eren not telling him, when he heard about Carla's death he had no choice but to give the power of his titan
@@kafukwamekemeh I know about the avenging Carla part, but if Grisha seriously just went like "Holy shit, what the fuck is wrong with my son? He cannot obtain this power at any cost" it still seems pretty weak to decide "I'mma give this to you anyway now" offscreen.
And him not showing him Carla's death in the vision I guessssss could make it so he is more vulnerable to an emotional decision after young Eren tells him she got eaten (?).
But it still seems.. very weird idk.
FYI They were setting up the Annie x Armin ship at the end of last season if you don't remember showing that he was one of the two people visiting her all the time. And Armin wasn't sure if it was his own feelings of love for her or if they were inherited will from Bernholdt.
Plus they were already pretty fond of each other all the way back in season 1, so it's not like it came outta no where. He's fine to dislike it but it wasn't forced, I mean shit it's the end of the world and they could all literally die in a day, revealing the feels is natural
Wes you did it for the culture!❤
So for the history nerds out there, Jagerists are in universe equivalent to the Meiji Restoration and it’s consequences.
16:40 yep... a 100% Shonen Jump Bullshit... the most disgusting literal example of Shonen Jump power of friendship bullshit. Everything was so good until what they did with Armin and the Paths. Its like Isayama got drugged, kidnapped and gagged then some writer from Shonen Jump hijacked everything finished the whole story by himself. No gut wrenching twist, Nothing matters after all, everyones magically safe for some reason, most of all THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP saves the fucking day.
I believe the outcome chosen by Eren wasn't what was best for everyone and that Ymir is responsible. Eren says his mind is scrambled due to Ymir’s powers, and a major theme in the series is misinformation to manipulate people, like Marley did to Eldians, like Eren did to his own dad. Ymir probably only showed Eren the outcomes that would lead to her being freed, and Eren picked the best one given what he was presented. There's probably a timeline where Mikasa's and Eren's parents are alive, where they are married and have kids, but Ymir would still be a slave. Ymir is both, a victim and an abuser, and leads Eren down that path as well. It was about what was best for her, not for the world. In the end Eren was right, he was a slave to freedom, Ymir’s freedom.
Really glad you loved the ending, I was waiting for your review, man 😂
Yup
And that's why Eren and Mikasa are the goats! That includes Armin as well ofc
If it wasn't for that weird Eren and Armin scene it would be a 10/10. Like there are valid criticism but they are blown out of proportion because people don't like how it ended personally.
Like how can you watch a 4 seasons (+2 movies) and say that it's shit because of one scene
I mean it was hinted a little when it was revealed that annie liked armin when her titan first got introduced so...Ill take it
To me it was obvious she liked him in S1 and in hindsight it makes sense that he liked her, so I agree
Yeah I didn't see that
You true mf to watch the entire of the final for us to react to.
I'm happy to hear that you like the ending
We tried to tell you....
Eren crying over Mikasa showed that he was still the young immature boy we met in the beginning and he doesn't want to die.
As for people hating the manga it's because after Eren says he slaughters 80 percent of humanity Armin smiles and says "Thank you Eren for commiting genocide for us"
That one line destroys the ending because it means Armin is happy all those people died. It was dumb.
You just straight-up forgot seasons 2-3 happened, didn't you?
I’m happy they changed up the ending and the convo between Eren and Armin
Dude, try to watch AOT lost girls, the episode of Mikasa was really interesting.
Fun Fact: The baby was voiced by Eren VA's child
It’s okay to like the ending. It’s also okay to think the ending was doodoo garbage
1 hour video we truly have been blessed
Well you have seen the truth Wes and the readers were not wrong.
Cyberpunk: Edgerunners is still the best anime of all.
Thank you wes. I thoroughly enjoyed your reaction, every bit of it. and of course your overall review of the serious. I would love to meet you in person or takl to you someday as friend on the other side of the world. I'm looking forward to watching more of you videos.
The tone shift with Eren crying was done by isayama because too many fans were completely on erens side and thought/believed he was completely/totally justified in his actions. He literally had to put in a scene Into the redone version of the ending where Eren breaks down and admits he was just a stupid impulsive kid and he fucked up bad. It felt like isayama had to force that scene somewhat just to attempt to shut up the fans and definitely tell them, Eren was wrong. He was not in the right.
To me, it was just rushed and very generic. Not to mention the fact that a couple of moments feel inconsistent with the tone they were trying to set. Like Eren being a bitch and crying over Mikasa is still one of the strangest things I've ever seen. And the final twist of Ymir obeying the king because of "love" is so stupid and came from nowhere. I didn't buy into any of that. From a superficial level, I can see how someone can be satisfied with the ending, but it felt really hollow to me.
"Ymir obeying the king because of love" lowkey reminds me of this book I read last year by Zoah Neal Hesston or something like that, basically this women's husband was beating her and he later died after a snake bit him. Shit was wild since she GENUINELY MOURNED his death.
Ymirs logic though has to be some kind if Stockholm syndrome developed after years of living and serving the king seeing as he literally invaded her village and took her people as slaves
@@isaiahjoseph7352 Stockholm Syndrome goes away upon seperation from the perpetrator. Ymir was seperated for thousands if not millions of years (time in paths goes slower) so it can't be an explanation.
@@edgarh7879 dude I wasn't talking about the time she was in the realm. I meant as to when she LITERALLY returned right after becoming the original founding titan
@@isaiahjoseph7352 then your first comment didnt really make sense as a reply to the first one as he was talking about ymir obeying Fritz in paths due to her still loving him
The eternal cycle continues yup.
37:43 Bruh I hear the smoke detector going off! XD
I been waiting for you
Reasons to why it’s a terrible ending.
1 How did his friends survive the titans? They lose Sasha to 3 titan shifters and 2 kids but lose no one against 100s of titan shifters?
2. Zeke dying shouldn’t of stopped the rumbling. Ymir’s goal was to destroy the world so why didn’t Ymir just continue the rumbling after zeke died?’
3. Zeke should of stopped the rumbling earlier because his dad telling him “ please stop Eren” didn’t give him motivation to die so he can stop it but armin showing a ball did?
4. How did mikasa free Ymir?😂 and no it isn’t because she was able to kill her lover and move on no no no she didn’t move on for crap she still had that scarf on and got buried next to Eren.
5.Ymir doesn't have Stockholm’s syndrome, if she did why did she not heal herself when a spear went through her? If she had Stockholm’s syndrome she would of had the will to live for the king. Ymir’s character is terrible. She is in the paths because she is a slave to Fritz but disobeyed him ?
6 Eren ch139 (last 30 mins)
“ I’m an idiot”
“I don’t know why I did the
rumbling”
“ I moved forward for mikasas choice”
“ I did it to portray u as heroes” 💀💀💀💀
“ I would of killed them all if u didn’t stop me”
Pre ch139
“Ill keep moving forward until I destroy my enemies “
“The only way to end the cycle of hatred is to bury it”😂
7.Ain’t no soul answering this question. If Ymir can see the future then why did Ymir wait till mikasa kills Eren who somehow frees her when she can see the future and knows that mikasa will kill Eren? Why did she wait for it to happen when she knows what the result is? She should of been free since she entered paths
8. What was the point of destroying 80%? eldia got destroyed. What did he achieve by doing that? He made the outer world hate eldians more and doomed paradises safety which he promised ( Eren only cared about Eldias safety not cycle of hatred so eldia bombing themselves is irrelevant for him)
9. What was the reason for the rumbling ?
It defo wasn’t to make them look like hero’s because Eren said if u didn’t stop me I would of killed them all which is a contradiction.
10. Erens mom death was pointless. He already said he killed her because it wasn’t bertholdt time yet which means it wasn’t to fuel his hate for titans💀He already had the determination to lead him were he already is. When mikasa’s parents got killed he said “ if anyone tried to take away my freedom I won’t hesitate to take theirs” he also said to his dad that the kidnappers were scum and animals that needed to die. Eren before his moms death wanted to join the survey corps and venture outside the walls. If he found out the world wants to kill him he would of started the rumbling because they tried to take his freedom and we knew what Eren thinks about that. Erens view of freedom was killing everyone outside the walls so he 100% has the determination to do the rumbling. (Anyone who says Eren view of freedom wasn’t killing everyone u need to rewatch the last episode where he was talking to ramzi the kid
11. In ch130 ( episode where the ships get destroyed in Marley) Eren thinks about his mom getting eaten by the titan and it being his main motivation for the rumbling which makes no sense since Eren should know that he killed his mom because this is when he sent armin to paths and told him everything.
12.The whole Eren at the cabin scene. How did eren interact with mikasas memories? She is an Ackerman he Shouldn't be able to do that. people who are saying this is a different timeline pls provide ur proof. If it is a different timeline why does Eren have titan marks? Why do they also grow bigger the closer Eren gets to death? They become massive when she is holding erens head representing that it was a fake memory. The bigger the titans marks the closer she gets to reality
13. Eren crying like a baby for mikasa is a retcon. When did Eren ever cry like this for mikasa? He alway pushed mikasa away from him. When Eren found out he has a 8 years to live mikasa was in jail with him, did he care about her then? No he didn’t even care about mikasa when he found out he dosnt have long left to live even isayama said mikasa is a mother figure for him so how exactly does him crying like a baby fit his character?
14. Eren said to armin he will show them the memories after he gets killed but shows it to mikasa before he gets killed?
15. How did Eren turn into the collosal titan after zeke died and the worm left him ?😂😂😂
16. There was literally no point in the rumbling, the outside worlds wants to kill then because their just eldian. What makes Eren think destroying 80% of the world then letting armin kill you to look like a hero does? Stop them from hating eldians? No😂 they will hate u more💀
17. Eren didn’t take away his friends titans powers cause he wanted them to have freedom but took away their memories when he was speaking to them in paths ??
I DONT WANT TO HEAR ANY HEAD CANNONS. I WANT YOU TO SHOW PROOF
Not reading all that gibberish mumbo jumbo. Just say you wanted a genocide cause you love floch and a false image of eren. You probably would've loved funny mustache man from germany too had you been in that time and heard his backstory first.
@@CrashDAMFCourse average ending lover with no response to criticism apart from crying and saying u don’t understand the ending
@@CrashDAMFCoursecope and seeth
@@bad_life_advicecope and teeth
@@CrashDAMFCourseah yeah, the false image of eren, the character showed for the entire season that made perfect sense until they retconned him for no reason at the end, sure
It makes me very happy to see the endings reception become much more positive after the anime, I was in the same camp of not liking it at first but after many rereads of the story it just made more and more sense to me why it ended this way. I specifically appreciated the additions made to Eren/Armin's convo in the sea of blood, I think the execution was better this time around than it was in the manga initially. I also thought "the Battle of Heaven and Earth" itself was a much better experience, it always seemed to me to be a battle made for the anime rather than the manga. The OST popping off with the scouts and warriors fighting together gave me chills ngl. I also always found that both the Jaeger's died by getting their heads cut off by an Ackerman to be very ironic and fitting.
The Eren and Armin convo is a total game changer. This gives Armin a much bigger role as friend and it puts that theme above that of "love for Mikasa". Armin does the opposite of talk no jutsu and literally says Bro you fucked up, but it's my fault as well so we'll both rot in hell. He aleviated some of the guilt from someone who is to parish blaming himself for everything. It was Eren's part to destroy the world and it was everyone's part to kill him. The fault is with everyone. This truly solidified the ending as the RIGHT one.
As a fan of Code Geass, it's a good ending.
33:43 was one of the best points in the finale. Shocked everyone.
What I really didnt like was its just the power of friendship all over again like wtf... Attack on Titan taught me that its fucking useless, it gets EVERYONE around you killed.
Eren KILLED his mom, he literally caused all the suffering he got, it’s….how did you see that as brilliant?
I understand some people have actual grievances, but I just don't care enough for it to ruin the ending, let alone the whole series. The plot convenience and plot armor arguments are the dumbest things anyone can bring up to critique a series. I get it to a certain extent, but EVERYTHING has to have some sort of both, or else nothing would progress - the main protagonist would be done halfway through or before. To me, this series is and will always be a masterpiece to ME. I don't give a fuck what some guy who thinks their opinion has more weight than mine just because they have a UA-cam channel has to say. Also, trying to minimize criticism by the obligatory "if YOU think it's good, that's fine, I just don't like it because I'm smarter than you, and that makes my opinion right" is hilarious. Also, the weirdos that think the ending is trash because a 19-year-old broke down and showed some emotion after decades of suppressing them RIGHT BEFORE DYING, and who are also upset that Eren didn't go all the way because "it makes everything pointless," ya are some really dense individuals who clearly did not understand the themes of the series. 🙏
Finally was waiting to see this
Honestly that panel pissed me off too. But when you think about if mikasa really did know how eren felt and they smashed or whatever. She definitely wouldn’t have killed eren at the end. Lol it would’ve been ggs to everyone before that happened.
This is scale of a 9/10 to a 10/10
it put alot of things into perspective because erens actions didnt make any sense if he had options but everything was set in stone before he ever got the founding titan
The anime ending definitely tweaked the manga ending enough for me to bring it from a bad ending to a decent somewhat satisfiying ending but people saying it completely fixed it are outright wrong.
1. Ymir still didint get a satisfiying conclusion at least for us viewers, isayama clearly couldnt properly explain her character
2. The boy at the very end going to fall in the tree was just outright unnecessary. Couldve changed it to something else
3. Still slightly rushed. After erens defeat there was hardly any breathing room.
It's like isayama wanted to just end it quickly without giving our main cast at least a little bit more of a sendoff then what we got
All in all I think with the anime . The ending did it's job. It wasnt bad. But not Great. Definetley better than the manga.
It did it's role well enough so that the best anime of all time can stay the best anime of all time.
I think the scene where Eren cries is fitting, but you have to hear me out first.
Eren had feelings for Mikasa since the beginning, and Eren knew that Mikasa had feelings for him as well. Mikasa has shown time and time again how much she cared for Eren. Eren on the other hand, has shown glimpses of his feelings, but when his powers were awoken, he always feigned indifference. I think this is purely because he saw the future, and it may even be why Eren said that Mikasa only cared for him because she was an Ackerman. If Eren showed his feelings to Mikasa in any way during all this time, in the end, Mikasa will be much too in love with Eren to kill him. Where the show failed is showing that dynamic in play. In the end, Mikasa had to prove to herself that what she was feeling towards Eren was not only because she was an Ackerman by blood, and the only way she could prove that was to kill Eren. Eren crying was because he bottled up his love for her all this time, when all along he only ever wanted to be with Mikasa, but he couldn't. Eren didn't even tell Mikasa this so she could move on. If he really wanted to make her as hung up as he said to Armin, he would've done this same mind conversation with Mikasa telling her how much he loved her and that he was sorry. In the end, he really was in love with her, and wanted her to live a happy life after he passed. If this was explored more, people could've understood it better.
eren never had feelings for mikasa, I don't know where you got that from 😂it was a literal one sided relationship this whole time
@@lilg6615 Eren literally saved Mikasa from her kidnappers in the beginning. He was a child, but he put his life on the line to save Mikasa.
During their childhood, Eren was annoyed everytime Mikasa saved him, because he said he should be the one protecting her.
Eren gave Mikasa the scarf that she holds on to with dear life. Eren even promised that he would wrap the scar around Mikasa as many times as he could.
Their last moments together, Eren asked Mikasa what he really meant to her. Her replying "family" literally drove Eren to madness, because he wanted to mean much more to Mikasa, but couldn't.
It wasn't a one sided relationship "from the beginning", it was a one sided relationship once Eren unlocked his Titan powers, because he saw the future, where it was only Mikasa that could deliver the kilking blow to him. You'd know that I said all of that if you read my comment, or if you understood it, at least.
@@aceacemania Eren puts his life on the line to save everyone for example thomas, historia, armin
When did he say he should be the one protecting her, that's what his mom said also he was annoyed because he wanted to do things by himself instead of having a baby sitter\
Eren gave the scarf to her because she was cold. Eren said that because she just showed him gratitude by thanking him for wrapping that scarf around which meant that she was thanking him for being there for her which is normal between friends. Also why don't you talk about how Eren swerved her kiss
Drove Eren to madness? Eren didn't even look fazed, Eren asked that question because he was genuinely confused on why she so obsessed with him, he even asks Zeke the same thing because he thought it was some ackerman instinct
It was completely a one-sided relationship.
@@lilg6615 my point from the very beginning is that from the outside looking in, these actions from Eren are subtle to the observers, like you and me. But then in the end, it was revealed that Eren was holding back his feelings the whole time. If Eren had the freedom to express his true feelings for Mikasa, maybe things would have been different. That's all I'm getting at. Maybe we interpretted the story differently, or maybe I'm using the wrong words, so I understand if you see it from a different perspective.
@@aceacemania bruh isayama is basically the same as kishimoto, both of them doesn't know how to writes love story.
I think (for clarity I am a Eren crying defender) the reason for the timing of that scene was to humanise Eren in his last moments.
For those of us who understood the show perhaps it was too 'shounen' but there is a good part of the fan base who thought he was a genuine nationalist.
I like the scene because I think its the most transparent Eren has been since season 3 - we get to see our Eren, the real Eren for one final time.
I get some people don't like it though.
0:13 eren was a facade man
To be honest, that part when Eren breaks down in front of Armin I didnt mind at all. The rest though, I kinda did. Eren breaking down is just a dude letting out his true feelings for the first time before knowing he will die . Nobody wants to die and have their friends move on from them. People want to live on and be happy around their friends and family. He was just opening up and being real to his best friend in the last moment he knows he can
Fuck is you talking about? Eren's been on deaths doors more times then prob any other character, matter of fact this is the same character that said "If i could change something i'd gladly give up my life for it". Am i supposed to believe that whatever that thing was in the finale was the same person that broke down INSIDE A TITANS MOUTH because he just rescued a friend but realized he wont be able to achieve his freedom?
Hange is Underrated, I cried when She died 😭
I find very telling how every defense of the ending I see is "you just didn't understand it"
Really no argument for why it's supposed to be good😂
Literally was never his point at all lmao did u even watch his breakdown
What a journey this show was!! So many great moments and tragic moments. Wes your reactions were always great for this show! Glad you didn’t jump on the ending ruined it bandwagon. One of the greats anime’s of all time!! Give your hearts!! 👊 ❤
Not even three minutes into this and I'm laughing my ass off! Loving it.
Just a kid throwing a tantrum. Putting on a mask on his face to look cold/heartless and badass.
As soon as Eren got the power to influence different timelines, his entire decision making was entirely decided by the kind of person he is, and he admits he's just an idiot that got a hold of power. If someone like Armin got the founding titan power and influenced time; the entire plot of events would have been some big brain shit that solved the problem in a different way than just genocide.
Hey Wes, is there somewhere I can watch your full uncut reaction to the finale? A couple things were cut out and I'd love to watch the whole thing 🙏🏽
Gotta love eren's zero iq requiem
Real
ikr, it's so stupid
eren and lelouch are nothing alike stop with this forced comparisons
Eren forsook world peace after the Pro eldian rally
@@wasteofsperm9332 your right. Their not. But alot of aot fans I've spoken too have said they think this is a better written, more realistic, and just superior version, to requiem. So I just find great joy in referring to erens plan as the "Zero IQ Requiem"
Also, it's just funny (to me)
I personally think it was a well done ending very realistic in its portrayal of the cycle of war and I appreciated Eren's breakdown with Armin - highlighting how childish he still is. The irony of this whole thing being started because of a stockholm syndrome unrequited love further brings it back to AOT being a very human story.
A. The cycle of hatred was never the point of the series. The ending is nihilistic while this series has always been anti-nihilistic. The point of the story was to keep moving no matter what happens.
B. Ymir having Stockholm Syndrome makes no sense whatsoever and the fact that people say this is fucking repulsive.
C. The idea of AOT being about love is ridiculous. And even then, Eren never showed any mutual feelings towards Mikasa. Hell, he showed more feelings toward Historia than anyone.
Yes
“Ymir loved King Fritz all along”…😐
I guess Naruto and every anime whi are fighting based are perfect since most of them if not all of them tackes on this same exact point which is the cycle of hatred and on
@@smugboogiepop2994 FAAAAACTS!! Not a lie was said. "Stockholm syndrom unrequited love" 🤣🤣
tbh the only problem i had with the ending was eren reason for killing so many people was not satisfying and armin taking any amount of responsibility for erens genocide is fucking stupid also comparing mikasas love for eren and ymir love for king frits as though those were equal and making that the thing that stops all of this was also frustrating still love the show and the finale outside those things were perfect
The anime had several key changes. Most notably a line from the manga ending that essentially everyone hated. In the manga, Armin said "Thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake". In the anime he instead said "Thank you for showing me the outside of the walls, and this view". Among other changes.
I felt disgusted by the ending in the manga. And almost regretted watching/reading the series in some ways, because it seemed like the things people said about Isayama and his real world views were true. (You can google it if interested.) I do however like the anime ending. It saved the ending for me.
what the anime did is just spray air freshener on to dog crap. Its still shit, but its a little less repulsive.
I didn't mind the manga's ending. It was not great, it felt very basic, but it also felt like the only ending this story could have. The only lingering issue for me was that I wanted more confirmed details about what happened to everyone and the state of Paradis afterwards. But Eren's story was done, and I couldn't see any other ending for him or the rest of them.
Miss the streams bro come back
I understand season 4 Eren's lovers hated with all their guts the sudden emotional breakdown. In my opinion Eren has always reacted with emotions when he's getting teased whether it's anger when Jean used to tease him, or in the court in season1. Or frustration when hange teased him several times.
I am pretty sure the breaking down scene was the truest and honest Eren has ever been throughout the whole show to his best friend Armin not to Mikasa or anybody else.
I didn't because I'm not a dumbass it was clear from the jump Eren was forced to put his emotions to the side to do what he had to do. He was never a monster and people who aren't media literate.
I never got what the manga readers was on about either. I mean yeah the eren armin scene was kinda out of place but even that to me felt like two best friends being cringe infront of each other. And war still came to paradise but it was like 100 years later, eren just wanted his friends to have a long happy life (which they did) and of course he wanted some revenge. I have watched over 100 animes in my 35 years and nothing comes close to what attack on titan made me feel. Best anime ever imo.
Honestly, the show up until the last 2 movies/episodes was peak fiction. But the ending of a story can make or break the entire story. I would give the series overall a 8/10, but the ending means that most people will stop talking about the show altogether, and most will never rewatch the series either. Look at Game of Thrones, overall good show, but nobody talks about it anymore because the ending was so bad. Then look at a show like Breaking Bad, and people still talk about it to this day, as it actually had a good ending and was overall a 10/10 series. Feel bad for Isayama getting hate, but he definitely fumbled the ending.
I mean... tons of people like the ending, though, I definitely did. If anything, it having such a mixed reception will keep people talking about it
@@galarstar052 Popularity, doesn't equate to quality. It probably just means you convinced enough idiots, to think it's GOLD.
@@DargonArik You're missing the point. I'm not saying lots of people liking it makes it good, i'm disproving the assertion that most people think the ending is bad, and thus won't want to rewatch it. I think the ending is good because of the things i enjoyed about it, not because the majority says so. I read it before the anime ending, and back then people were extremely harsh on it.
This is why ur on my top 5 list of fav cc's Wes👍
That’s the only way it could have ended.
Eren has the ability to erase memories. Has the ability to change the physiology of eldians as well( they changed biology to prevent a disease)
It’s low iq thinking this ending was the only possible ending.
Give eldian gills?
Wipe eldians memory & complete the rumbling?
Rumble only military bases & give eldians steel like skin.
I mean, Jesus Chris. The problem with this ending is checkovs guns. You have x, y, z as plot options, and just ignored it.
Armin: so eren why do you do the rumbling in the first place?
Eren: idk
Armin: seems legit
This dialogue is actually real in the manga btw.
Eren and armins conversation, "only ymir knows", Historia's importance getting sidelined, the fact that they still got bombed anyways, Eren going from virgin try hard to Chad psychopath back to Incel mass population murderer...
I've waited for so long for this
One of my favourite manga/anime. For me, the ending was great and I love it.
Same
Aot my mom (late 50s) and i (30) watched the final episode together and we were almost in tears. I think its the second anime we finished together. It was so amazing just wish it didnt take so long for those last episodes but it was still amazing. 9/10.
The ending makes me so mad. They did everything wrong. The last 30 minutes of the final episode feels like a character assassination for the whole cast.
We need the clark county judge video pronto
1. *Eren being able to create memories for Mikasa is a plothole*
Founder can’t affect Ackermans AT ALL, physically or mentally. The only reason they appear in Paths is because they’re still Eldian, all Eldians are connected to the Paths
2. *Zeke’s death stopping the Rumbling is plothole*
the Rumbling started when Eren grabbed and consoled Ymir.. SHE gave Eren the full extent of the Founder, Zeke wasn’t needed anymore.
3. *Eren’s Colossal Form is plothole*
If there’s some “after effect” then why did the Wall Titans fall immediately? Why did Eren’s abilities stop working immediately?
4. *Eren‘s actions in the end are completely random were not built up/developed*
Eren would never purposely lose, Eren said (and his actions showed) that, anyone who threatened his freedom, he wouldn’t hesitate to take theirs… But he lets the Alliance win… Eren said himself (and his actions showed) that he doesn’t want to gamble Paradis’ future, but he does exactly that… Apart of Eren’s arc was to trust himself more instead of relying on others (hence Levi Squad episode) but he just gives up and relies on the alliance… None of Eren’s actions nor dialogue showed any romantic connections to Mikasa… but he all of sutton is inlove with her
5. *Don’t even have to talk about Ymir*
6. *The titan curse starting back makes the story pointless*
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Eren seeing the Cabin “dream” in CH.1 will never be explained.
Eren being able to show Mikasa, an Ackerman, the Cabin dream will never be explained
Historia’s still irrelevant, pointless character
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Ok so apparently it takes place in the paths, where time doesn’t exist… But Eren dies to the titan curse.. how.
If it’s somehow in the paths, how could Eren send Mikasa to the paths in that moment.. if Levi severed the connection between Ymir and Eren? He no longer has control over the Founder in that moment. How would Eren be able to turn into a whole Colossal Titan without the Founder
Again, Ackermans cannot be influenced by the Founder AT ALL. They can’t turn into titans, they can’t be manipulated by the Founder (mentally or physically), they’re memories also can’t be wiped which means the Founder can’t tamper with Ackermans head/memories wat so ever. For example, Uri couldn’t control Kenny and realized that he was an Ackerman, Uri was someone with more control over the Founder than Eren and he couldn’t do anything to Kenny. Ackermans were the only Eldians that weren’t affected by King Fritz’s mass memory wipe. So no, The Founder can’t give or take memories from an Ackerman..
Eren giving up and relying on someone else is even more out of character
• Eren couldn't take control (trusted Hannes) -> his mom dies
• Eren didn't take control (trusted Levi squad) -> Levi squad along with other soldiers gets slaughtered
• Eren couldn't take control -> Hannes gets devoured
• He doesn't take control against The Alliance (trusts Alliance) -> Paradis gets wiped out
I'm prolly forgetting some but everytime Eren is in a situation where a life or lives are on the line, they die because he either doesn't stop it or is incapable of stopping it at the time. majority of the time he puts trust in someone else, things turn for the worst. So wouldn't u think he'd take control against The Alliance after all of those other incidents? Determination and persistence is a strong part of his character
1) Eren brought Mikasa to the paths as shown in 122 and 133 ackermans can be sent to the paths.
3) Eren knew he would be stopped by the alliance but he still kept moving forward as he said, even when the rumbling stopped, he still kept moving forward
4) The story has literally shown multiple times of Eren's attachness to Mikasa with the scarf sequence and him glancing at a memory of them together,
And yeah lets forget that he literally told her he would wrap that scarf around her forever when she confessed her feelings towards her.
@@kafukwamekemeh 1) so it takes place in the paths, where time doesn’t exist… But Eren dies to the titan curse.. how.
2) Cap… He has control over EVERYTHING, EVERY Eldian (other than Ackermans), ALL titan abilities. Eren was deadass a God, the only people that should’ve been a threat to him in that fight was Mikasa and Levi, he can mentally and physically shut the rest down. No matter what way you put it, he purposely lost.
3) N what did he do right before that he said that? She leaned in for a kiss then wat? He dodged her. N that’s the *only* scene u can mention? Crazy... Proves my point even more
@@kory.j6561 Eren dies in real time by Mikasa btw
@@kafukwamekemeh Eren died in the cabin “dream” also.. if u payed attention
The only thing that’s said about the Ackermans is that they can’t erase memories. Everything else is fair game.
Eren lived out his last few years with Mikasa in the paths before she killed him
Without Zeke doesn’t have a connection to Ymir and the paths. He is absolutely needed.
Eren likely altered his titans form before he got blasted off much like how he chose his centipede form on the fly
Eren connections to and feelings for Mikasa have been plainly on screen since the first season.
The entire narrative of AoT is concerning the cycle of hatred and violence and how it will never end. We see that even in Paradis itself they split and start attacking each other the second the rumbling starts. The show sticks to its guns and has the cycle repeat.
But stopping the cycle was never Erens goal. It was that his friends live out long lives. Which he succeeded in. Was it perfect? No. But it was never going to be because Eren is a dumbass and always has been since episode 1.
The cabin dream is 1-1 explained and Ymir’s actions are in line with the psychologically consistent behaviours of those who’ve been through heavy and consistent abuse.
The shows ending works pretty much perfectly. I’m sorry you can’t see that.
38:12 ngl I felt the same way but you look like you were bout panic lol