Tom Chambers: THE BIGGEST NBA HALL OF FAME SNUB? | FPP
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- One of, if not the first, stretch four in NBA history Tom Chambers was an 80s big man with a seldom seen blend of athleticism, agility and shooting range. And he used all those skills to become a 20,000 scorer in his career. He was a great player at Utah, playing with the Runnin’ Utes alongside Danny Vranes and would be picked 8th overall in the 1981 NBA draft which included guys like Isiah Thomas, Mark Aguirre, Rolando Blackman and Larry Nance. The beginning of his career would be spent on the San Diego Clippers where he would play well, but after two seasons he was shipped to Seattle as the Clippers preferred their other young big man, Terry Cummings. In Seattle, Chambers would average over 20 points per game across the 5 years he was there. He came as young player on a transitioning from aging stars Jack Sikma and Gus Williams. And although they wouldn’t have a ton of team success, once they acquired Xavier McDaniel and Dale Ellis, the 1987 Seattle Supersonics made an improbable run to the Western Conference Finals. They couldn’t replicate the success the next year and Tom Chambers found himself in uncharted waters as he was the first unrestricted free agent in NBA history. He would take his talents to Phoenix to play alongside Kevin Johnson and Jeff Hornacek, where he immediately became one of the best offensive players in the league and helped the Suns to back to back Western Conference Finals appearance. As Chambers began to slow down, the Suns acquired Charles Barkley and Chambers would be a rotation player during the Suns NBA Finals run in the 1993 NBA season. After this he would return home and play two solid years in Utah for the John Stockton and Karl Malone led Utah Jazz, where he would make one last Conference Finals appearance. He spent 1996 overseas playing for Maccabi Tel-Aviv before attempting brief NBA comebacks with the Charlotte Hornets and Philadelphia 76ers, until ultimately calling it quits in late 1997. He left the NBA as a 20,000 point scorer and one of the best and most unique offensive players of the 80s and 90s, yet for some reason he still hasn’t gotten his call to the NBA Hall of Fame. Whether you think he is deserving of that distinction or not, everyone can agree that Tom Chambers is one of the most underappreciated players in NBA history.
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Tom Chambers was tremendous. 60 point club is elite company but he also had 56 one night while scoring 40 in the first half. Revolutionary player.
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The biggest knock on Chambers is having too little All Star appearances with ONLY 4. Chris Mullin managed 5 All Stars along with 2 Olympic Gold medals. Chambers didn't accomplish much save for his 20,000 points, 4 All Stars and some highlight reels. If he had an NBA championship, consideration for his HOF induction would be much higher. Even Jack Sikma is far more accomplished with 7 All Stars + NBA Championship. Multiple All Star appearances (minimum 5) is a sign of how long your prime and impact was as a player. Chambers' prime was too short.
Thos are just voted in accolades. Objectively he could make the hall the game, based on stats in comparison to others who made it. However, I personally dot think he was a hall of famers, he'd be another hall of the very good if he had.
I would definitely agree with this ... If the bball HOF was even close to as rigorous as NFL or MLB
I hate having ppl in the Hall for contribution to the game, then real ballers like Chambers get snubbed
I mean they even made Chris Webber wait ... Bball HOF is just confusing to me.@@SoBor911
That dunk on Bird and Mchale was illmatic
The one on Mark Jackson was even better
@@zeke3388 AGREED. Chambers hit Jackson and kept going higher and higher,etc,etc,..
That one is underrated. Just as good as the Jackson one imo
Whattttt?!?!? Bro my boy tom was gettin up on cats
Tom Chambers was one hell of a player and dunker. He should be in the hall of fame.
Lets get him in the hall of fame. He deserves it more than most. He was an undeniably great player.
He definitely should be in the HOF.
If guys like mcgrady and grant hill are in despite the fact they put up great stats but didn't win chambers should definitely be in their
@@johndavis9321 You can still get in the hall of fame despite not winning a championship, and what Grant Hill did at Duke definitely helped him get into the hall of fame.
@@Doknot-tb9ey yeah but grant hill and t mac didn't even get to a finals as top guys mcgrady couldn't even get a team out of the first round and I get his prime was mainly in Orlando with a lot of trash rosters but still
@@johndavis9321 McGrady did not have great teams in Orlando for sure. In Houston, he and Yao would get injured and the only time he got out of the first round was in 2009, he just didn't play due to an injury, and its not like he was waived by the team after that.
Love this channel. That 80s and 90s era was loaded with talent. Players like Chambers are a great example of that. Great video.
Real men played in the 80's and 90's.
Exactly real Men real basketball. This channel is 🔥
@@darryljones8195 I can't watch today's NBA. Too weak. Too much 3's. Too much drama queens. And too much load management.
Exactly it's absolutely comical how new age fans try to argue bird and magic and later Jordan dominated weak eras sentiment which is completely false
What annoys me with the basketball HOF is the bar is a lot lower for foreign players. Tom Chambers would be tailor made for todays game but still complete and talented to play in his own era.
I agree with that. It makes no sense how guys like Vlade Divac and Sarunas Marciulionis end up in a hall of fame. It just lessens the overall value and credibility of the entire establishment. The NBA needs to create their own Hall of Fame like the NFL and major league baseball. There’s too many former NBA players that ended up in the basketball Hall of Fame and just shouldn’t in there if the HOF had legitimate standards.
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You're absolutely correct! These fools need to look at resume again, and put him in the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame immediately!!!!! 🏀💯
That's a true statement, in my opinion, that I've never thought about.
@@Riles3152 Divac is a legit hall of famer, as a diehard warriors fan, I can agree with you on Sarunas, he was just an exceptionally good role player for the Run TMC days of the warriors, not much past that really.
If chris webber is in Tom chamber ahould be in.
No f'n way. 😂😂😂 They shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence
Bad analogy
Back in '92 I used to collect cards (12 year old) and this was my first interest in statistics. Always remember getting Chambers card, flipping the back and I was blown away by his stats. Such a nondescript-looking player who could ball the hell out of the comp.
ive been promoting this guy to every bball nerd i know FOREVER now thanks for this video man
Great episode! Jack Sikma deserves one as well!
That iconic dunk in the intro was unstoppable in the Sega Genesis game Lakers vs Celtics. Or Bulls vs Lakers.
I still have my original Genesis and all the sports game from that era.
Fun days for sure.
I loved it! My cousin and I would stay up through the night playing the Sega. One step inside the 3 point lane and Chambers would take off with that triple pump dunk. Completely and utterly unstoppable.
His signature dunk on Lakers vs Celtics was a Double Pump From the 3 point Line damn near… 🔥🔥🔥
This shit was not fair. Lol
beat me to it..
@@krillin876 : only thing comparable was that One Armed Windmill Kemp Had from like the Foul Line, or That Two Handed Gorilla Dunk Barkley had from Anywhere Near the Foul Line.
🥶 Nowadays ain’t no more Signature Dunks it’s all Dunk Packages Anyone can Equip..
Bring that Signature Dunk Pack Back
Penny Hardaway, Tom Chambers & Lamarcus Aldridge should all be in the HOF
Penny and Tom for sure, but I don't know about LaMarcus.
@@Doknot-tb9eyLamarcus had great career. There’s guys with less than half his impact statistically in the HOF
.@@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154 Sure, but I just don't see him as a HOFer.
Penny?? His only good yrs was in Orlando and that got cut short, he's not a HOFer
@@sportstalkwithzo3707 But its not his fought that injuries ruined his career and he still had an impact on game for what he did in Orlando when healthy before the injuries.
Charles Barkley spoke up repeatedly and got the late great Dennis Johnson into the HOF.
Maybe he could use his platform and character to get him in
I think this is my new favorite channel. S/O to Tom Chambers 😎. I remember seeing him for the 1st time as a kid in the 1987 All Star Game & he was cooking The East Players
Tom Chamber was a killer Man why he aint in the HOF is so confusing
Great video, chambers was the man in regular season. He himself said he was a cold blooded player..thus he ran the floor and led the league in dunks at one point to get warmed up. He knew how to finish the break. Its marginal on Hof, but consider he has 20k points in the Magic/ Jordan era says alot.
Thanks for this!
Your videos are fantastic. Keep up the great work!
Tom Chambers is definitely a HOFer. Unbelievable scorer.
Love these videos by you and stuntedgrowth. Taking us back down memory lane
I remember watching him play when I was little! He had that spark of energy that left players in the dust. Watching this video is reminding me that he was just as heavily traded like Kurt Rambis. Still he was the player to watch back then!
Fantastic stuff bro, keep it up. Finally done with my injury period as well and back to playing ball, and these videos really helped during that time. Thanks once again for the great content. 👌
Great addition to your videos! It is like you are reading your viewer's minds!
Excellent video. I love that you show the stats for each season too. I knew Chambers was a great player but I hardly ever saw his games on tv growing up (unless they were playing the Bulls).
As a lifelong Bulls fan, I am happy the Sonics made a stupid draft day deal by trading Scottie Pippen to my bulls . I truly believe they would benefited by keeping Scottie with his skill set to play with Tom Chambers , Dale Ellis, and Xavier McDaniel. Scottie would’ve been the playmaker on that team and they probably would’ve been better in 88 then the team that went to the Conference finals the year before. The league was about big guys at that time . I believe a lineup with Scottie and those guys would’ve been devastating. I thank Seattle for their charitable contribution to the 90’s dynasty bulls . Very much appreciated. Lol!!!
Alfred! I was born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. Sonics and Blazers fan. Japanese-American. Male. MY two teams SHOULD have have Michael Jordan vs Scott Pippen battles for years! The Sonics and Blazers are STUPID with high lottery picks! I swear, the Blazers are so dumb, if they had the #1 pick in 1992, they would have drafted Adam Keefe! At BEST, they would have drafted Alphonzo Ellis. If they can pass or Jordan and Barkley, they're capable of anything!
I love the videos. Can you do Jason Richardson in the future?
Thunder Dan Majerle would be a good video to cover. Loving the content, and can't wait to see more 😁
Love your videos. however, I just wish they weren't so long. I have to watch them in parts.
Can you do Xavier McDaniel?
Tom chambers was one of those “white boys” you had to respect on that hardwood!! A straight up gangster!!💯👍🏿✔️🦾🔪🔪🔪
Great Channel keep it up
He was so much fun to watch back then
I’m so annoyed that this player & Marques Johnson aren’t in the HOF. It’s crazy to me.
AGREED. Johnson used to give Dr J buckets. LOL. That Bucks team he was on with Sidney Moncrief were very-GOOD-but the 76ers had their number.
The Bucks never had a healthy Bob Lanear
Don’t forget Eddie Jones
Tom Chambers was Dirk Nowitzki before there was a-Dirk Nowitzki. And Chambers didn't play any defense like Nowitzki. LOL.
You mean irk Nowitzki because he had no D....
Chambers was far more athletic. Neither played much D. But as Dirk's career progressed, he learned to facilitate and get the ball to the right people and spots.
@@Amick44Yeah Chambers was more of a slasher. Dirk was a was a wayyy better shooter and a true post up player. One of the last great ones at that
This man could ball!Once again another underrated ace player
Teammate of David Thompson in Seattle. That's another player who needs one of these profiles. One of the only players I would confidently say was at one point more athletic than prime MJ. Wasn't called Skywalker for nothing
Omg that suns team was LOADED even before they got Barkley
Tom had a marquee move in Bulls vs Lakers on the Sega Genesis. 🌝
I knew sooner or later you were gonna get to this guy. Major quality, and got an underrated back catalogue of dunks (apart from the Jackson special).
Anotha great video!
Great vid. Lakers had major problems with that Phoenix team he was on.
Thank you 😊
Tom Chambers was a stud.
People need to look up the other angle of theTom Chambers on Mark Jackson dunk. It literally looks like he jumps off a trampoline because he hits Jackson already at his shoulders and keeps elevating. That's why its famous. Looks cool in slow motion.
Great video about Tom!Can you do one with Sheed Wallace,my fav big of all time?!😊
Already did one on him
@@ForgottenPlayerProfiles Thanx a lot!❤
My fav player as a kid
Feels like i will never stop seeing that iconic Charles Barkley shot over David Robinson on this channel.
Note to Forgotten Player Profiles (the UA-cam channel): never refer the seasons of college and/or NBA basketball as one-calendar year seasons [with the exception being 1999 (however, it was legally called the 1998/99 season for the association)]. Typically, they're two-calender year seasons in basketball as well as in hockey.
At 26:46 nice picture of old Veterans Coliseum.
Can you do a Chris Gatling video bro? He was nice.
Tutran, I was born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. Sonics and Blazers fan. Japanese-American and male. In 1995, Chris Gatling said his goal was to win the Sixth Man Award. He never did, but he got an All-Star berth instead! Which do you think is better? (For Gatling). I kind of think the All-Star berth was more valuable than the sixth man award.
@@unappealingundesirable2826 Allstar is definitely more valuable than 6th man.
@@tutran8363 Tu, I fully agree. Imagine if someone could have told Chris Gatling before 1996-97, "Chris, the bad news is, you'll never win the Sixth Man Award. The good news is, you will make an All-Star Team!" I would take that in a heartbeat! The only possible thing is, I know that Gatling preferred to come off the bench, and really wanted that Sixth Man Award. Then again, maybe he didn't even think an All-Star berth was even in his reach! He had a nice solid career.
Anyone know what that video game in the clip was at about the 20 minute mark ?
Mark Eaton... now there's a name I'd all but forgotten.
BRO THANK YOU so much. I asked, you did it
Antonio McDyess next 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻!
I’d love to see one on Dan marjle or Alex English! English is a underrated top scorer
He scored more than anyone during the 80’s. Crazy when you think about it
Tom Chambers was a head of his time.
Tom Chambers should be in the hall of fame.
Some current and recently retired players who've also scored 20k and aren't guaranteed HoFers: DeMar Derozan, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Joe Johnson.
HE WAS MOTHERF#CKIN GOOD!!
THE AGILITY,SKILLS AND COURT AWARENESS! REALLY UNDERATED!
I was already an adult when I found out he was not European. He just had an Euro game and a Dutch / German face.
He was Nice.
Horace Grant was cool too. Jamison and Billups as well. Based on playing and coaching Mark Jackson earned a Hall of Fame spot.
Lou Hudson had to wait unti he transcended before he made into the Hall of Fame
Please do Orlando woolridge and Xavier McDaniel
Definitely gotta get to McDaniel, but I have done a woolridge vid
I'm not sure if this was factored in HOF snub but when I look at the stats I see that Chambers did get into a lot of foul trouble. He was avg over 4 fouls in about 32 minutes. He didn't play any defense. Kinda like Carlos Boozer. A very good offensive player and rebounder but no defense. Kinda similar to Lauri Markannen right now. I used to think that Chambers was a Hall of Fame snub but lately I've been trying to form a top 200 NBA players all time list and I see that there's a lot more guys than I thought that were averaging 25/26/27 like Chambers along with even better stats and other areas and they're not in the Hall of Fame. Even though I think he should have got some more consideration he is a borderline HOF player and not great enough to where people should get too upset.
Ok but there are players in the HOF with no rings and numbers not as good. Chris Mullen?
The reason Mullin got into HOF was thanks to his 2 Olympic Gold Medals along with 5 All Star appearances. Had Chambers managed at least 5 All-Stars + an NBA Championship, he might better consideration.
Multiple All Star appearances (minimum 5) is a sign of how long your prime and impact was as a player. Chambers' prime was too short.
It's not a flattering first impression for a great players but the first memory of Tom Chambers for me was a 80s NBA commercial with Hall & Oates 'One on One' playing. Tom Chambers went for a two handed dunk, but was blocked spectacularly by I think Larry Nance
Chambers was off the chain .. Yo, HE WAS THE TRUTH.! JUMP TO TOP OF BACKBOARD.. EFFICIENT ON OFFENSE AND NOT BAD ON D. Ive seen him hit his head on the rim .. Solid , Solid player... Gave opposing players on D Fits.. The Sonics was a really good team. I still dont get how the Sonics didnt have championship success..
No photos of Chambers on the 76ers exist. I was hoping you'd found a clip from that 1 game.
Do your next video on Anthony Peeler
Bring back our Sonics!
This is a AMAZING channel!
How about vids on Xavier McDaniel, James Edwards, or Charles Oakley..? 🤔 Maybe Kenny Sky Walker?
Great work!! 😆
Have you done one on Chris Mullins
Great player...
33:28 1 of 2 eligible players*
should be in the HOF for that 1 dunk alone
If Paul Westphal is in the Hall, how on earth can Chambers not be?
Walter Davis next?
You got beef with the Hornacek ay ?
We see .
Tom chambers was a dawg 😤😤
Tom Chambers wld dunk on yo head with authority. Us hoppers from the 90's know about this man.
Seems like before internet all the west coast players not on lakers were severely underrated
Tom Chambers is not being snubbed for HOF. He just hasn't done enough to be prioritized.
Bring back our Sonics and put Chambers in the HOF!
Thats crazy he's not on hof
When I see Chambers style he gives the impression of a poor man's Larry Bird. Probably since he played in the same era as him made him a HOF snub, sadly.
Do Derek mason
How is he not in HoF?
He's right there. I think he played a couple years too long and his stats suffered
The original stretch 4
Chambers was a beast we all know yhat
Nicee
How is he not in the hall of fame?
Will watch later, but Tom Chambers along with Mark Aguirre are two players I've always believed should be in the HOF.
They let bums like tmac and Tim hardaway in, but excluded aguirre , kemp , chambers , laimbeer , LJ etc
@@andresdelportillo9917T Mac belongs. But Hardaway, Mcginnis, Haywood, Wilkes. Nah.
@@andresdelportillo9917even though Aguirre, Chambers, and Kemp deserve to at least get consideration, you should be banned for life from discussing basketball to say Hardaway and TMac were bums. Hardaway was out there avg 22 ppg, 10 assists, 3 rebs, and over 2 steals in the early 90s and made like 5 all star games. TMac was the NBA scoring champ and an obvious legit superstar.
@@thebayareastandout tmac was blowing 3-1 leads and choking , tim hardaway never helped his team get over the hump ever , bro has a 1-3 record against the Knicks in what everyone calls one of the best rivalries of the 90’s and out west he didn’t do much to help Mitch and mullin get past the first round , all star games really don’t mean much especially when players like lesser joe Johnson are voted multiple times over the better manu ginobili
@@andresdelportillo9917 Well since the then Magic coach Doc Rivers has made a career of blowing 3-1 leads I'm gonna say it was Doc Rivers fault they blew the lead in 2003. Also T-Macs teammates weren't very good and they were basically a .500 team. TMac and Hardaway still are NBA legends regardless and deserve HOF especially Hardaway.
I made him in 2k24 😂😂😂 had to look him up lol
I'll be damned if he's not a hall of famer. Tom Chambers was the REAL White Mamba.
suns legend
Def should be HOF
You should do one on Bill Walton
I think? Chambers was the Andy Messerschmitt and Dave McNally of the NBA? Those two brought free agency to major league baseball and Chambers did a similar thing leaving Seattle for Phoenix with a huge contract for back then. If you compare Chambers to Chris Mullen it makes no sense for Chambers NOT to be in the HOF. Plus some of the players being put in now? Ginobli? Hey? Scottie Pippen? Once Jordan retired Pippen took Chicago nowhere. Chambers could and did burn Bird and Magic among others on the court. But, life is often a personality contest and nothing else. Sadly! I think Chambers was looked at as a snooty moody "pretty boy!" This was and is not fair I think. Anyway, the "kids' today do not know Chambers and will probably never get in the HOF unless somebody like Magic or Jordan push him in publicly. People remember the Lakers and Celtics of the 80s. What most do not know is just how good Seattle was with Dale Ellis, Xavier McDaniel and TOM CHAMBERS. Seattle was just a better coach and a couple more support players to move past LA and Boston? Oh well! Cheers.
The reason Mullin got into HOF was thanks to his 2 Olympic Gold Medals along with 5 All Star appearances. Had Chambers managed at least 5 All-Stars + an NBA Championship, he might better consideration.
Multiple All Star appearances (minimum 5) is a sign of how long your prime and impact was as a player. Chambers' prime was too short.
NO, Mark Aguirre is the biggest snub. So many HS and College awards, first Mexican-American to be great like he was, big-time scorer, strong passer, good rebounder, 2 titles, on and on, more deserving of a Hall call than about 10 recent inductees (Yao?? Sampson?? Richmond? McGrady??). All his great years in Dallas (over 22 points a year again and again and again....) and how they fell apart without him....
What??? Remember boogie cousins when he was with the Kings, experts even stated when your team is on the bottom and your teammates are trash, definitely you will have some good stats, again good stats not great stats
You got that right! I learned it was really pronounced ah-GEAR-ay, but he asked his Mexican paternal grandfather if he could say ah-GWI-ur. I had a classmate named Aguirre, and I WRONGLY called him a-GWI-ur. I didn't learn until 1992 when I was 19, that Mark's father is Mexican-American.
Cooper Flagg Chambers v2.0
He Is a Hall Of Fame player...