Bob is a fantastic teacher. He makes everything so understandable and interesting. His obvious love of all things drums also shows. Overall a great guy! Thanks Mr. Gatzen!
Hey Bob, thank you very much for taking your time to make such grate videos. I've seen many lesson dvds but no one took the tuning subject so seriously. These videos have helped me alot and now my kit finally sounds great.....Can't wait to record my first album with it this summer :D
Both are good. Get a couple of towels or some other muffling to tape around the outside too. I don't go for 'LPP' but crank a little more to get some beater rebound.
bob, thanx to all your videos on tuning the drums I got my kit sounding great. with this vid I got my bass drum sounding just how I wanted it to. thanx again for helping me with tuning the toms by answering my questions.
Always loved Bob's enthusiasm and his playing, as well as his tech ability. We have Bob to thank for the great Evans stuff, everybody. He's the R&D over there.
Bob you're the man! I just picked up the same Even's head with the foam rings. But I thought the foam rings was so you could lose the pillow. As a matter of fact, now I need to go open it back up and put it in. I just snugged it down to what I thought sounded good, then decided to check for help off UA-cam to get the best out of the bass. I think I'm going to dig this head and sound. I'll come back and let you know what I think. Anyway thanks Dave
there are a millions vids on youtube about "how to tune" - if you want to tune drums better than all those, Bob Gatzen is the guy you want. his techniques are the gold standard.
It's thanks to his snare tuning video that i finally got my snare drum sounding good, so yeah i think i can respect him for that. Also i really like that bass drum sound he has there, thats a great sound for Rock/Heavy Metal
This exercise worked well for me. My kick is a Yamaha Maple Custom and never sounded particularly meaty. Not like my old Gretsch Jasper shelled drums. I know they are different but this made a difference.
@expressAnt That's for the EMAD 1 as they had had trouble with the sleeve. If you pay attention, he's using the EMAD 2. They have an improved sleeve for the dampening ring.
I've tried various materials to help muffle the sound in my kick. I ended up using bubble wrap because i had it kicking around and i've never taken it out. Just the right amount of muffle with some resonance...depending how much you use and how tight you pack it in. Works well for me. I also mounted an Audix D6 inside the drum with DW"s internal miking system and no hole on the outer head which give me a nice full sound from my Premier Genista birch shell. It goes BOOM!!!
Dude, I've always been a die-hard Remo fan but after listening to Mr. Gatzen's tunings and all...I really feel the need to try out Evans. Especially this EMAD system for the bass....what an incredible sound...
Wow thanks man this video helped me so much. I have an Aquarian Superkick I, and I tightened both sides of the bass and stuffed it full of blankets. I'm definitely going to attempt your way. I also eventually want to buy an Emad for my bass.
@sexyzacdrummer yes it does. also, tuning a little tighter can control the vibrations by waking the wavelengths shorter, thus reducing overtones while still allowing the drum to breathe. i always make my 22" shine, especially during fast double bass.
I used to shop at his store in CT, he designs lots of products for companies like Evans. But there's no doubt he knows what he's doing so I trust his endorsements.
its a beast. i have a powerstroke 3, but they are both good. get the emad if you want a controlled sound, but if you want resonance, get the powerstroke.
All you guys that are asking about getting that really clicky "metal" sounding kick sound here is a simple tip I've seen used regularly! - Use one of the reinforcing patches like the Remo falam slam patches and gaffa tape a coin to it (such as a 10p or a quarter) at the position where the beater contacts the head. Sounds crazy, but it works. I don't use it personally because that's not the sound I look for. Hope this helped somebody!
I use an Evans EQ2 batter with a Retro Screen from Evans, (with an Eq pad "pillow" mounted inside barely touching the batter head) on a 22inch Yamaha Recording Custom Bass Drum (yes WITH my toms mounted on them) and engineers constantly compliment my sound... It is very thick and punchy with plenty of low end... I like the EQpad because the velcro keeps it in place, so I get a consistant sound. Yamaha Rec Custom drums are known for the huge Bass drum sound, so I'm sure that is most of it.
There are little pads called click pads you put right where your beater hits the head and it created a good noticeable click. There are also other micing techniques you can use while recording to bring out that beaters attack sound without the click pads.
the remo powersonic head gives a nice dark thud but if you basically fill your bass drum half way up it will give a thud but not as dark as a powersonic head. hope it helps.
@Bookster343 I'm playing remo although I do have a few Evans heads on my 2nd kit and they do sound amazing. So I haven't abandoned them completely. I switched to the Remo Powerstroke with the Evans internal pillow with great success.
In the batter side I put an used head with the metal removed and a center hole cut to make a 3 to 4 inch band first, then the new head. At front head I do what you did and then tune the drum without muffler.
@wiirluvenit I love my triggers but it's just bypassing the tuning issue rather than solving it. Ideally, it's nice to get a mix of mic and trig- at least for recording purposes.
thanks a lot, first when i hit the bass it kept echoing so i thought it madea wrong noise and it was too high but after i loosened it and put a pillow inside it works perfectly 10/10 :))))))))))))!!!!!!!
He's method is very good and with the right heads even better. I buy a evans eq3 of the kick side only and don't changed the reso side and it sounds a 100 times better. My drum set is a Tama Supertar. I have no clue of how huge is the difference of the sound if you change your heads. Everybody EQ3 or Remo sounds awesome to.
@boredomtube I wouldn't say it's random - they're tuning from years upon years of experience of knowing the instrument really well, and knowing how it responds to whatever they do to it.
I am looking for the port hole ring that he shows in 8:22 but I can't find it on evans official site. Was this thing discontinued from production or what? Can someone help me please?
@allmetaliswelcome That's what I'm not clear on. Wrinkle appears, then tune back up til it's gone, or leave a bit of wrinkle? It looks like he left some wrinkle, but I can't be sure.
I get this w/ two bass drum mics. Get yourself a Beta 91A and lay it on the pillow inside your bass drum. Gate it so you're only getting the high pitch click (like snapping your fingers) and then put a very slight delay on it. (You only want to hear the delayed sound, not the initial sound) Then place your primary mic wherever you prefer at the port hole. This will give you a pretty punchy sound without having to toss 50 pillows in there.
@PercPhreak its actually easier with a coated head because you can push on it and see the wrinkles without even needing the reflections. Just my experience.
@shanecombs1993 Are they in a double bass kit, or have you found out this seperately testing them in the exact same place as the other? Because room acoustics and drum placement affect THAT much. If you aim a bassdrum to the corner, it will gain tremendous bass boost. Also I read Gavin Harrison found out younger (when he had a double kit), that the left bass drum always sounded better than the right one. It must be how they are angled towards/in comparison with player.
Yeah, so... the real lesson here is: Step 1: Put on an evans head Step 2: Randomly tighten lug nuts to your hearts desire Step 3: There is no step 3 cuz you can't do anything wrong when using evans heads, therefore you don't need to know how to tune your bass drum. Rock on!
cross tuning is extremely easy and shouldn't be that confusing..You obviously don't have to tune the entire drum from beginning to finish with the cross pattern. The main purpose of the cross pattern is to ensure that the head is centered over the drum (this gets the head to be in tune with itself). It also helps prevent potential damage of the head(s). After the head is centered, you can tune from lug to lug in any pattern you desire untul you get the sound that you're specifically looking for.
i like to tune it a little tight because i do double bass and it can be hard to hear the drum because if ur playing fast the notes get murky. high tuning gives it more of a punch. i also load it with t shirts. get a hole cut so its easier to mess with the shirts
In my experience, the small port ring on the reso would ALWAYS fall out (into the bass drum) after about 2-3 songs - and I am not a hard hitter. Within a couple of gigs, the port ring would actually start to come apart completely. Just last night in the middle of a gig, the batter head came apart as well - specifically the plastic retainer ring that held the foam ring in place. The retainer had cracked apart due to the vibration of the head. I have abandoned Evans :(
@heige17 Depends on what kind of sound you want. Bass drums aren't tuned to note in about any other music than jazz, so they aren't that picky about the freshness of the head. Charlie Watts has never changed his Gretch-kit's bassdrum's heads. Though OFC a new head sounds better than old, and wrong head in wrong music can make living hell, but IMO old head doesn't prevent from using this technique. You just have to tune it tiny bit higher than new one after doing this.
Joe Nocella Now that's fuckin funny. I would assume you get them from the same place you get automatic dishwashers and washing machines. You know, the kind that hangs your clothes out on the line.
Bob can you explain me please. What material is sound absorbing. Anything like a pillow a sweater or some specific material. Cheap alternatives wanted thanx in advance cheers from belgium erno
What does matt greiner do on his bass drum. does he use 2 AF Patch - Kevlar Single Pedal patches under each beater? If i play metal like matt greiner would it be better to tune a bass drum higher so u can hear the hits of the double bass instead of tuning it low? ive heard its better to put it a little tighter and use the plastic side of beaters. any ideas?
Question: I'm in the market for a new kit. I play a 24" bass drum, but am in a dilema about what depth to get. I like the vintage look, lighter weight, and less bulk of a 14" depth, but don't want to regret the purchase if it's significantely weaker, with less volume. My current 24"x16" is certainly powerful enough, but it took alot of dampening to get it's overtones under control. Will a 24"x14" give me the same unmiked volume, without the excessive resonance, or will I be disappointed?
bob, when you are tuning the batter head in the beginning of the video..is the resonant head on the other side? or have you not applied it yet. just trying to tune my new 24" kick with emad head and evans muffle pillow
This really works, I tuned my bass drum like this and it sounds amazing. But when should I go by tuning it again? I dont have any problems with the sound as of yet ( tuned it I (think 2-3 months ago). And when I do shouldI just tune around on the reso head?? Any help will be appreciated : )
could anyone answer this question, you see i was going to buy an impact pad to put on my bass drum but i wanted to no wether or not you have to tune the drum before putting one on. Thanks for any help!-Dan
adding a hole decreases resonance adding more attack. whereas no hole gives the bass more low end boom. a pillow basically kills all or most resonance from your bass. ofcourse there are different heads that allow you to avoid putting a pillow inside like the emad and the remo powersonic. its a matter of choice. i would try them all if you can and see what you like and stick to it.
ok first off i have a starter kit five peice standard size i love evans tried everything else didn't like it to begin with put evans on my kit and it sounds like a 1200 dollar kit it was three hundred bucks so here's my first question i put the emad2 on my kit for the batter on my bass im going to buy the emad2 reso for the front now what do you suggest for tuning i because ive had good experience with a medium loose batter and a medium tight reso but it just sounds to high
I was looking for answers to a question like that in the metallica forum of all places, the clicky bass drum sound in 'and justice..' (rambling) Get a thick two-ply batter head with a falam slam (or something of the like) and solid rubber or wooden beaters, like Iron Cobras. Put a nice size hole in the resonant head to lose the overtones.
bob, i love your tips and have followed your vids for quite some time now... really appreciate the logic and rationale you use to standardize drum tuning in a way that folks can understand and consistently reproduce. one thing ive always wondered about this technique is if using a weight of known mass might help standardize the LPP approach... any idea how much pressure youre applying and what that might translate into in terms of a weight to be placed in the center of the batter head when de-tensioning to get the wrinkles?
If you don't want to do it his way, you can do it my way, which is: tune all the keys with your hands as tight as you can. On a bass drum, That is almost always the easiest way. It gives you his so-called "Lowest possible pitch" As for the resonant head, do the best you can to get it in tune with the batter head. Hope that answers your question.
Hey, Bob. I use two kicks and I could easily go insane trying to get them as identical as possible. Just wondering if you had any tips or suggestions? Thanks. Great videos, BTW
@xAxnikxlinxAx or people can do whatever they want, someone people prefer the punchy short sound as opposed to that boomy sound, both are good in different situations
Hi everyone :) I have iron cobras , And i like the punchy sound , The muffled one. I wanted to add a drum patch like the remo falam pad or Evans EQ pad , And if the remo pad is better , Which one would go , The 4 inch diameter or the 2.5 inch diameter since i have iron cobras. And if the evans eq pad is better , The nylon one is better or the plastic one for the punchy sound , which decreases the ocertones. Thanks :)
hi bob, where do i buy the form that you showed on the video to stick in the batter head? "NOT the port-hole" Looks like about 2"wide or so,,,any help would be well app
holy shit dude same. cept i have a small blanket cause i have an emad 2. but yea i got the batter low and the reso high. and im wondering whether i should put a hole in it or not.
Hello, I was wondering if you could give me a few pointers. Currently I am using a 22" by 16" kick drum with a Remo Powersonic with a kevlar kick pad for the batter, and a Attack Medium thickness, single ply, self muffling head as the resonant with a 5" port hole. The drum produces a very dead and quite sound even with no muffling. I am looking for more power and a thud, I am using Iron Cobra's so I don't think the the pedal is a problem. Perhaps the thick resonant? Any pointers? Thanks!
"Never think you'd get excited about wrinkles, but I do.." - Bob Gatzen
Bob is a fantastic teacher. He makes everything so understandable and interesting. His obvious love of all things drums also shows. Overall a great guy! Thanks Mr. Gatzen!
Hey Bob, thank you very much for taking your time to make such grate videos. I've seen many lesson dvds but no one took the tuning subject so seriously. These videos have helped me alot and now my kit finally sounds great.....Can't wait to record my first album with it this summer :D
Bob is so amazing that he can play his bass drum with a pedal while correcting the pitch of the front head ! He has invested in a extensible leg.
Wow! I found it! This is the series of videos that taught me how to tune so many years ago. I still use all of this today!
Most informative video of tuning bass drums I've ever seen!!! Every other one is just 3-4 mins. of telling you how to turn nuts and bolts.
Both are good. Get a couple of towels or some other muffling to tape around the outside too. I don't go for 'LPP' but crank a little more to get some beater rebound.
4:34 . youre welcome
XD
bob, thanx to all your videos on tuning the drums I got my kit sounding great. with this vid I got my bass drum sounding just how I wanted it to. thanx again for helping me with tuning the toms by answering my questions.
Always loved Bob's enthusiasm and his playing, as well as his tech ability. We have Bob to thank for the great Evans stuff, everybody. He's the R&D over there.
Bob you're the man!
I just picked up the same Even's head with the foam rings. But I thought the foam rings was so you could lose the pillow. As a matter of fact, now I need to go open it back up and put it in. I just snugged it down to what I thought sounded good, then decided to check for help off UA-cam to get the best out of the bass.
I think I'm going to dig this head and sound. I'll come back and let you know what I think.
Anyway thanks Dave
You are a real teacher! Clear correct, easy to use technique... Thanks!!
there are a millions vids on youtube about "how to tune" - if you want to tune drums better than all those, Bob Gatzen is the guy you want. his techniques are the gold standard.
I'm a 3 day old drummer and i have problem tuning my bass and this really helps! Thx Bob! :D
It's thanks to his snare tuning video that i finally got my snare drum sounding good, so yeah i think i can respect him for that. Also i really like that bass drum sound he has there, thats a great sound for Rock/Heavy Metal
This exercise worked well for me. My kick is a Yamaha Maple Custom and never sounded particularly meaty. Not like my old Gretsch Jasper shelled drums. I know they are different but this made a difference.
@expressAnt That's for the EMAD 1 as they had had trouble with the sleeve. If you pay attention, he's using the EMAD 2. They have an improved sleeve for the dampening ring.
"I never think you'd get excited about wrinkles but I do, ooh now they go away, HA! Look at that Magic." Priceless. AWESOME!
I've tried various materials to help muffle the sound in my kick. I ended up using bubble wrap because i had it kicking around and i've never taken it out. Just the right amount of muffle with some resonance...depending how much you use and how tight you pack it in. Works well for me. I also mounted an Audix D6 inside the drum with DW"s internal miking system and no hole on the outer head which give me a nice full sound from my Premier Genista birch shell. It goes BOOM!!!
Dude, I've always been a die-hard Remo fan but after listening to Mr. Gatzen's tunings and all...I really feel the need to try out Evans. Especially this EMAD system for the bass....what an incredible sound...
Wow thanks man this video helped me so much. I have an Aquarian Superkick I, and I tightened both sides of the bass and stuffed it full of blankets. I'm definitely going to attempt your way. I also eventually want to buy an Emad for my bass.
@sexyzacdrummer yes it does. also, tuning a little tighter can control the vibrations by waking the wavelengths shorter, thus reducing overtones while still allowing the drum to breathe. i always make my 22" shine, especially during fast double bass.
I used to shop at his store in CT, he designs lots of products for companies like Evans. But there's no doubt he knows what he's doing so I trust his endorsements.
its a beast. i have a powerstroke 3, but they are both good. get the emad if you want a controlled sound, but if you want resonance, get the powerstroke.
Good stuff Bob, you my friend are a great educator!
All you guys that are asking about getting that really clicky "metal" sounding kick sound here is a simple tip I've seen used regularly! - Use one of the reinforcing patches like the Remo falam slam patches and gaffa tape a coin to it (such as a 10p or a quarter) at the position where the beater contacts the head. Sounds crazy, but it works. I don't use it personally because that's not the sound I look for. Hope this helped somebody!
thanks Bob, just got a new kit and the bass drum sounded terrible, now its perfect.
Good Video Bob! Miss Creative Music! Studied there for a few years...
Tim Curtin
Has anyone ever witnessed Bob Gatzen actually playing a drum set?
I use an Evans EQ2 batter with a Retro Screen from Evans, (with an Eq pad "pillow" mounted inside barely touching the batter head) on a 22inch Yamaha Recording Custom Bass Drum (yes WITH my toms mounted on them) and engineers constantly compliment my sound... It is very thick and punchy with plenty of low end...
I like the EQpad because the velcro keeps it in place, so I get a consistant sound.
Yamaha Rec Custom drums are known for the huge Bass drum sound, so I'm sure that is most of it.
I highly recommend getting a EMAD or GMAD absolutely amazing drum heads
i will be lucky to even get a glimpse!! it would just be awesome to know how to do that in general to
There are little pads called click pads you put right where your beater hits the head and it created a good noticeable click. There are also other micing techniques you can use while recording to bring out that beaters attack sound without the click pads.
lol "They got scientists working at Evans, i'm tellin' ya."
Always great videos, Bob! Thanks!
the remo powersonic head gives a nice dark thud but if you basically fill your bass drum half way up it will give a thud but not as dark as a powersonic head.
hope it helps.
thank you, this is how i learnt to tune drums.
@Bookster343 I'm playing remo although I do have a few Evans heads on my 2nd kit and they do sound amazing. So I haven't abandoned them completely. I switched to the Remo Powerstroke with the Evans internal pillow with great success.
I tuned my bass drum in like 10 minutes thanks to this video, shit sounds so good :))
In the batter side I put an used head with the metal removed and a center hole cut to make a 3 to 4 inch band first, then the new head. At front head I do what you did and then tune the drum without muffler.
no shit but i learned a lot from this man few years ago, great tutorial
@wiirluvenit I love my triggers but it's just bypassing the tuning issue rather than solving it. Ideally, it's nice to get a mix of mic and trig- at least for recording purposes.
im not jokeing when i say i acualy use this video to fall asleep ive watched it like 50 times
thanks a lot, first when i hit the bass it kept echoing so i thought it madea wrong noise and it was too high but after i loosened it and put a pillow inside it works perfectly 10/10 :))))))))))))!!!!!!!
He's method is very good and with the right heads even better. I buy a evans eq3 of the kick side only and don't changed the reso side and it sounds a 100 times better. My drum set is a Tama Supertar. I have no clue of how huge is the difference of the sound if you change your heads. Everybody EQ3 or Remo sounds awesome to.
8:52 "You guys hear that? I don't know if I did. You sure you guys gave me the right part?"
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that sound is AMAZING makes me cry. I wish I could get there
holy crap i just did everything this guy said and my bass drum sounds SWEET!
i agree i like a loud solid sound plus that setup would get u nearly zero bounce on the pedals
@boredomtube I wouldn't say it's random - they're tuning from years upon years of experience of knowing the instrument really well, and knowing how it responds to whatever they do to it.
i have the evans emad for the bass drum. it's really awesome. best head i ever had.
"they got scientists working at evans, I'm tellin ya..." this guy is great. Thanks for the awesome information!
I am looking for the port hole ring that he shows in 8:22 but I can't find it on evans official site. Was this thing discontinued from production or what? Can someone help me please?
@allmetaliswelcome That's what I'm not clear on. Wrinkle appears, then tune back up til it's gone, or leave a bit of wrinkle? It looks like he left some wrinkle, but I can't be sure.
I get this w/ two bass drum mics. Get yourself a Beta 91A and lay it on the pillow inside your bass drum. Gate it so you're only getting the high pitch click (like snapping your fingers) and then put a very slight delay on it. (You only want to hear the delayed sound, not the initial sound) Then place your primary mic wherever you prefer at the port hole. This will give you a pretty punchy sound without having to toss 50 pillows in there.
@PercPhreak its actually easier with a coated head because you can push on it and see the wrinkles without even needing the reflections. Just my experience.
Yeah I agree I started with a really cheap drum kit, even that had tensions rods with handles...
TQVM.YOU ARE VERY HELPFUL .remo or evans should i use for it?
@shanecombs1993 Are they in a double bass kit, or have you found out this seperately testing them in the exact same place as the other? Because room acoustics and drum placement affect THAT much. If you aim a bassdrum to the corner, it will gain tremendous bass boost. Also I read Gavin Harrison found out younger (when he had a double kit), that the left bass drum always sounded better than the right one. It must be how they are angled towards/in comparison with player.
Bob's such a goof...I love it! Btw, really helpful, thank you!
just used all his vids to tune ma kit. Sounds awesome now XD didn't even need to buy new heads
Yeah, so... the real lesson here is:
Step 1: Put on an evans head
Step 2: Randomly tighten lug nuts to your hearts desire
Step 3: There is no step 3 cuz you can't do anything wrong when using evans heads, therefore you don't need to know how to tune your bass drum. Rock on!
Is that a fanboy I see?
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And you've got some great tips and products
@Quorrra This is not from a DVD, it's made just for Pro Drum Tips
I must admit I play on a lot of sets (backline kits) with the Aquarian SuperKick heads, and really like them as well
So very thankful for the internet, or I might never have learned it this way.
cross tuning is extremely easy and shouldn't be that confusing..You obviously don't have to tune the entire drum from beginning to finish with the cross pattern. The main purpose of the cross pattern is to ensure that the head is centered over the drum (this gets the head to be in tune with itself). It also helps prevent potential damage of the head(s). After the head is centered, you can tune from lug to lug in any pattern you desire untul you get the sound that you're specifically looking for.
@zzzzzushi clear emad2 batter, and the black EMAD reso head.. (its called Evans EMAD Resonant Bass Drum Head ) on the guitarcenter website
i had to go on amazon and get the Evans EQ pad after seeing this. for $15, who cares it if actually works or not. Bob Gatzen is the next Billy Mays!
yeah, everytime you alter the bass drum in any way you should tune it. I know its a pain, but you'll be happy you did.
Dude, you rock. Thanks. God bless you, hehe. You saved my life.
i like to tune it a little tight because i do double bass and it can be hard to hear the drum because if ur playing fast the notes get murky. high tuning gives it more of a punch. i also load it with t shirts. get a hole cut so its easier to mess with the shirts
this guys really passionate about drum sounds ( heartbeat bugoom bugoom while thrusting fist)
In my experience, the small port ring on the reso would ALWAYS fall out (into the bass drum) after about 2-3 songs - and I am not a hard hitter. Within a couple of gigs, the port ring would actually start to come apart completely.
Just last night in the middle of a gig, the batter head came apart as well - specifically the plastic retainer ring that held the foam ring in place. The retainer had cracked apart due to the vibration of the head. I have abandoned Evans :(
@heige17 Depends on what kind of sound you want. Bass drums aren't tuned to note in about any other music than jazz, so they aren't that picky about the freshness of the head. Charlie Watts has never changed his Gretch-kit's bassdrum's heads. Though OFC a new head sounds better than old, and wrong head in wrong music can make living hell, but IMO old head doesn't prevent from using this technique. You just have to tune it tiny bit higher than new one after doing this.
Where can I get one of those automatic pedals?
Joe Nocella Now that's fuckin funny. I would assume you get them from the same place you get automatic dishwashers and washing machines. You know, the kind that hangs your clothes out on the line.
Order it on Evans
if you were playing live would you still keep a muffle pillow in your drum? or would you take it out and tighten the bass drum?
Bob can you explain me please.
What material is sound absorbing.
Anything like a pillow a sweater or some specific material.
Cheap alternatives wanted
thanx in advance
cheers from belgium
erno
I use those drumheads. EMAD... I can seriously reccommend it. Best one on the market in my opinion...
What does matt greiner do on his bass drum. does he use 2 AF Patch - Kevlar Single Pedal patches under each beater? If i play metal like matt greiner would it be better to tune a bass drum higher so u can hear the hits of the double bass instead of tuning it low? ive heard its better to put it a little tighter and use the plastic side of beaters. any ideas?
Question: I'm in the market for a new kit. I play a 24" bass drum, but am in a dilema about what depth to get. I like the vintage look, lighter weight, and less bulk of a 14" depth, but don't want to regret the purchase if it's significantely weaker, with less volume. My current 24"x16" is certainly powerful enough, but it took alot of dampening to get it's overtones under control. Will a 24"x14" give me the same unmiked volume, without the excessive resonance, or will I be disappointed?
bob, when you are tuning the batter head in the beginning of the video..is the resonant head on the other side? or have you not applied it yet. just trying to tune my new 24" kick with emad head and evans muffle pillow
Wow, thanks Bob, what a difference to my recordings - having drums that are properly tuned. ho knew? LOL
i like vic firth. they have nice rebound and absorb the shock pretty good. just my $.02
This really works, I tuned my bass drum like this and it sounds amazing. But when should I go by tuning it again? I dont have any problems with the sound as of yet ( tuned it I (think 2-3 months ago). And when I do shouldI just tune around on the reso head??
Any help will be appreciated : )
could anyone answer this question, you see i was going to buy an impact pad to put on my bass drum but i wanted to no wether or not you have to tune the drum before putting one on. Thanks for any help!-Dan
adding a hole decreases resonance adding more attack. whereas no hole gives the bass more low end boom.
a pillow basically kills all or most resonance from your bass.
ofcourse there are different heads that allow you to avoid putting a pillow inside like the emad and the remo powersonic.
its a matter of choice. i would try them all if you can and see what you like and stick to it.
Much {#RESPECT}, to {Mr. Gatzen🎼👑🥁💿📀🌍}, always #KeepGroovin🎼🥁🥁🥁🥁!!!
ok first off i have a starter kit five peice standard size i love evans tried everything else didn't like it to begin with put evans on my kit and it sounds like a 1200 dollar kit it was three hundred bucks so here's my first question i put the emad2 on my kit for the batter on my bass im going to buy the emad2 reso for the front now what do you suggest for tuning i because ive had good experience with a medium loose batter and a medium tight reso but it just sounds to high
very very very useful, thank you so much
I was looking for answers to a question like that in the metallica forum of all places, the clicky bass drum sound in 'and justice..' (rambling) Get a thick two-ply batter head with a falam slam (or something of the like) and solid rubber or wooden beaters, like Iron Cobras. Put a nice size hole in the resonant head to lose the overtones.
How do you tune an Evans Emad bass drum head using a drum dial?
Thanks bro
Do some bass drums sound different when tuned depending on the size or brand?
***** Thanks bro
bob, i love your tips and have followed your vids for quite some time now... really appreciate the logic and rationale you use to standardize drum tuning in a way that folks can understand and consistently reproduce. one thing ive always wondered about this technique is if using a weight of known mass might help standardize the LPP approach... any idea how much pressure youre applying and what that might translate into in terms of a weight to be placed in the center of the batter head when de-tensioning to get the wrinkles?
If you don't want to do it his way, you can do it my way, which is: tune all the keys with your hands as tight as you can. On a bass drum, That is almost always the easiest way. It gives you his so-called "Lowest possible pitch" As for the resonant head, do the best you can to get it in tune with the batter head. Hope that answers your question.
Hey, Bob. I use two kicks and I could easily go insane trying to get them as identical as possible. Just wondering if you had any tips or suggestions? Thanks.
Great videos, BTW
@xDeadMisfitsx okay, do the resonance heads need to be tuned as well?
@xAxnikxlinxAx or people can do whatever they want, someone people prefer the punchy short sound as opposed to that boomy sound, both are good in different situations
Hi everyone :) I have iron cobras , And i like the punchy sound , The muffled one. I wanted to add a drum patch like the remo falam pad or Evans EQ pad , And if the remo pad is better , Which one would go , The 4 inch diameter or the 2.5 inch diameter since i have iron cobras. And if the evans eq pad is better , The nylon one is better or the plastic one for the punchy sound , which decreases the ocertones.
Thanks :)
hi bob,
where do i buy the form that you showed on the video to stick in the batter head? "NOT the port-hole" Looks like about 2"wide or so,,,any help would be well app
holy shit dude same. cept i have a small blanket cause i have an emad 2. but yea i got the batter low and the reso high. and im wondering whether i should put a hole in it or not.
Hello, I was wondering if you could give me a few pointers. Currently I am using a 22" by 16" kick drum with a Remo Powersonic with a kevlar kick pad for the batter, and a Attack Medium thickness, single ply, self muffling head as the resonant with a 5" port hole. The drum produces a very dead and quite sound even with no muffling. I am looking for more power and a thud, I am using Iron Cobra's so I don't think the the pedal is a problem. Perhaps the thick resonant? Any pointers? Thanks!