Every 3000 to 4000 miles or 6 months whichever comes first! OIL IS CHEAP! ENGINES ARE EXPENSIVE! Turbo engines are more expensive! That's a good one Ivan! Thank you for the video.
Running on sludge instead of oil... It's amazing no other mechanical problems popped up - it takes a while to eat all that metal with minimal oil. Great diagnostic, Ivan!
@@kimberlydeann Part of it was taken care of when Ivan requested the oil change, prior to his diagnostic. Possibly, a second oil change will clear most of the remaining - these are microscopic particles that will pose no major problem, provided that the run on sludge for unknown time, didn't cause other issues. Yet, the sludge itself, may have created deposits that may, indeed, require a flush - up to the owner to decide.
Yikes! I've had a couple of them that looked like that. Replaced the tappet and pump, and the engines ran fine for a little while. Until the chewed up cams ate its way through the replacement tappets a short time later. I hate to say it, Ivan. But once that cam gets tore up like that, it's soon to be curtains for that engine. If it's not already. A reliable car can be a big investment for a lot of people. And changing the oil on time would have kept that engine running smoothly for decades. A full synthetic oil change may sound a little steep, but having to replace an engine is FAR more expensive. I can't stress this enough, but please change your oil!
I was thinking the same thing.. that cam is eventually going to cause another problem. I'm really surprised there's no noticeable drop in fuel pressure with the cam lobe being rounded some.
Great video as always. I just did the exact repair on another but I opted for cam replacement also as my customers was much worse looking than that. Also the lobe that drives the fuel pump has 3 peaks on it not just the one so worth checking all three while you're there. Can't wait for the next one! Thanks Ivan!
Seems fair to suggest that 4 cylinder engines get oil and filter changes more often than typical because they are under more stress than 6 or 8 cyl engines. Especially a turbo.
The never ending quest to get more and more out of smaller and smaller displacement engines has forced the use of turbochargers to give that extra pep needed sometimes. The drawback to turbochargers is that your oil becomes diluted with fuel from high combustion pressure. Oil changes must be cut in half that which is expected with a naturally aspirated engine.
It's down in the pan.. I'm sure it's fine. It would be a good idea to drop the pan and clean it out and make sure your pickup tube is clear. That's what I would do if it were my car.
@ time 12:32, The engines not missing any of that metal it's flowing right through it. If you don't take care of your equipment this is what happens. Very interesting video Ivan thank you
I appreciate you trying to save the customer money. I think if it was my car I would want a cam shaft, logistics permitting. The whole thing might have "tasted" a little better though if we had gotten to understand what choices you gave them. Strong follower
Ivan, my Dad always said "a drop of oil makes the world go around". Looks like you Ford just proved him right! Thanks for Sharing! 🙃🙂 P.S. I'm going out right now to make sure my oil is doing the job I think it is doing!
That follower should turn in the bore. Looks like it was stuck. It does the same as a flat tappet camshaft. The lobe is slightly angled so it spins the follower.
But why when you can trade it in and make it someone else's problem? ... Their mentality because they like being on the perpetual payment machine I guess!
@@_RiseAgainst I run 2 mechanics shops with my dad and we have been in business 50 years as of last year. The Ecoboosts are OK if you keep up on the maintenance by changing the oil regularly (no more than 5K miles) and aren't hard on them... Not granny driving but also not killing them every chance you get because they are turbo's. Gen 1 and 2 we have seen go 300K miles no problem doing this. Remember a lot of people abuse their cars because they are on the perpetual payment machine so they don't care. That's where the horror stories come from. Not good owners like you and me that care. Change all your other fluids at 1/2 the recommended normal service life interval in the manual and you are golden!
@@CedroCron I know, remember we argued about GM? Bet you didn't know my daily was a ford! And my motor is not called an ecoboost because that was considered their "economy" line until 2016, so the ST variants just had "DIT". Even though it's the same motor just a slightly different tune.
Had a 2018 Escape the other day that was a no start tow in and the tech noticed the high pressure going wonky but no codes. We followed it a bit and checked the supply side pressure and fuel rail pressure sensor coming up with nothing so I finally went back to the basics and asked him to try starting it on alternate fuel/spraying it. No dice so asked him to check compression. 50 and 40 PSI on all 4 and noticed then it was a sludge bucket. Used engine for the fix. Crazy how those high pressure systems react when the ECM is trying to regulate the fuel pressure with unprogrammed variables happening.
Gearbox shift patterns was also different, first was to the left and down like your reverse, second was your first gear, third straight down and fourth to the right and up like your 5 gear.
I have a friend that didn't follow routine maintenance schedule. When the engine blew up she blamed the manufacturer for building junk. Not themselves for not maintaining the vehicle.
Ivan strikes again! You're gonna have to get a cape son. XD I got to diag and replace a F/P in a 2500HD Silverado Crew cab today. Needless to say, it was a bit more fun to get to. I just unbolt the bed, put the lift arms under the corners and raise it up to the ceiling. My lift won't pick that truck up. XD Thanks for the entertainment and education all in one.
It is weird the actual pressure was twice the requested. you would think it would be reversed and actual is lower from lack of travel at least. I don't see how it regulates the pressure driving off a cam. I could see that follower not following at 100% though.
I'd tell them to sell it. Seeing the damage on the lobe, I would not expect things to last too long. Once the surface starts flaking, it is only a matter of time. Too bad this vehicle did not have proper maintenance.
French cars used to run on straight 40w oil and rear end on plant oil , and Citroen hydraulic oil was so special that if you put on regular hydraulic Oil or ATF the who system would leak and need a total overhaul rear end was worn gears . Everything very different from USA , and those 4 cyl french engines ran 1 million km without oil change. Believe it or not french engine oil often had added graphite Clutch throw bearing was a long lasting graphite disk, not ball bearings . A different world
It never ceases to amaze me at the number of people willing to risk thousands of dollars in repairs to their engines over the small cost of an oil change. I chance mine every 5000km and only use synthetic oil with a total cost for the oil change in the $50 range. (I do them myself)
I am an old timer. With naturally aspirated engines we used to have a single fuel pump that ran off of an eccentric on the cam shaft. There was a lever on the pump that actuated a very simple diaphragm mechanism with two check valves, one in one out. It worked perfectly for about 80 years. Then we were told that they had to put an electric pump inside the fuel tank. The fact that this " high pressure pump" works pretty much the same as the old fuel pumps tells me that they were lying to us. The only comment I have regarding the arrangement on this engine is why the hell didnt they use a roller follower arrangement instead of a thin cup to ride on the camshaft?
I had a 2012 Qx56 auction car that would idle ok but shut off as soon you stepped on the gas. Low and high fuel pump pids were about similar. In my case the cam bucket was welded to its bore and had a nice hole at the bottom. Humongous job it turned out to be. Broken teeth on the crank gear didn't wreck the engine tho.
This issue was common with early VW TSI petrol engines as well, with the difference that in those cases, metal shavings ended up in the injectors, the tank, and all the fuel lines. Later, this was modified to a roller design.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Yes, you're right, I haven't looked into these things in a long time, back when I was about to buy a car. In the case of diesel engines, there were instances where the entire fuel system was filled with metal shavings due to the high-pressure pump. This issue didn't occur with gasoline engines, but in earlier years, similar problems happened with non-roller systems, as seen in the video, and they eventually switched to roller-based ones
Well, that's no answer. How did the metal get past the plunger and into the fuel system was the question. Seeing as it's a physical impossibility unless the plunger itself was destroyed, and that no super high pressure fuel could then have been generated due to pressure loss, diesel or gasoline, to go the injectors once an almost infinitesimal scratch had occurred on the plunger -- so the engine would not have worked and the metal shavings wouldn't have been drawn in and contaminated the fuel system with zero movement, so your answer makes zero sense. Full stop or period. You sure you know how these pumps work? Something else had to be going on. Or to be charitable to you, it was just VW who had some stupid unique design nobody else had the imagination to come up with. Look at the EA888 timing chain system to see uniqueness at work. Argh! No! The torture is too much! After 22 years of Audi nonsense, I guess some of the explanations I got from Hans the service foreman for failures (true name and you should have seen his eyebrows and white lab coat from '75 to '96) beyond the usual one trotted out about my not being a German and thus not a suitable human candidate for driving such a precision piece of Teutonic machinery because I would inevitably ruin it, was that aliens from outer space had caused the problem, because this problem had never before occurred on this planet. Moreover, I was incredibly lucky that Hans and his boys had possessed the amazing ability to order and have in stock precisely the parts needed to repair this one in a billion event. Funnily enough, when, in a fit of pique after another BS excuse was offered up by Hans, I went Japanese, the aliens apparently all went back to Rigel IV and thus ended their slow conquest of Earth in cooperation with Herr Doktor Professor Dipl Eng Ferdinand Piech, Chairman VW AG. As far as I could tell, anyway. Because no problems beyond normal wear items happened in ten years, after which I bought another Japanese car, and it lasted eleven before my roving eye decided a new car would be nice. Avoidance of VW products is a strategy I advocate to anyone who'll listen. But there is a never-ending supply of people who are willing to give them a sporting try. Before discovering for themselves it was a bad bet.
That camshafts going to tear up a new cam follower and pump very fast. It should last long enough for the dealer to sell it to an unsuspecting customer and leave them stuck with the camshaft bill. Not to mention that metal from the follower and the torn up cam is probably going to wreck havoc on the rest of the engine internals. This flat tappet design is very similar to the first generation VW/Audi 2.0t FSI engines and once you chew up a follower you were replacing them every oil change. Love your diagnostic work but I would not of done this repair without replacing the camshaft, especially for a car dealership.
I would have just put a thick disc down in the bottom of the cup to account for the amount that was ground away from the pump stem.. then you could have still used the old pump if it was too expensive. But for this many miles-- 200 isn't bad for a new pump. Nice call. I'm sure this thing is dying for a timing job soon though. lol. You know it has never had one.
Earlier this year I did a warranty inspection an Escape with the exact same issue with the hole worn right through the bucket. If my memory serves correct the camshaft lobe may have experienced some wear as well.
It's not extra travel for the pump because that's decide by the cam it's may be piston out of position in the pump as piston now sit at a wrong starting position 😁. I like your systematic intelligent approach Ivan 😁 ❤️, much smarter than most Americans, and you know. !! Otherwise they wouldn't call you all the time, but it's sad for USA, too much pill TV 💊
I performed a diagnostic on a 2014 Hyundai Sonata a few years back with that same code, turned out the HPFP follower was missing altogether. How? No idea, pulled the valve cover, never found it or any remains of it. No camshaft damage either. $180 for that little booger from the local Hyundai dealer, (Roller follower, not a lash cap type on the Ford) ran perfect. Still running since I saw it last the other day.
Me thinks the cam lobe will grind away next which will take out the follower and fuel pump again. That engine likely could use some rislone additive in this batch of oil then change it again in 500 miles. Then, change the oil (Synthetic 100%) and filer again after another 500 miles with another can of rislone then every 5,000 miles thereafter back to just oil and filter or keep using Rislone...it helps more than it hurts.
A friend had the same thing happen on a VW in the first years of GDI. VW apparently had issued a TSB that the cam follower was insufficiently hardened and should be replaced or this would happen.
These are the coolant intrusion escape variants. Also what in the world was the garbage in the crevice at 7:25 ?? Such a shame that folks don’t change their oil regularly.
I wonder how good is the oil pressure light on these engines plus I wonder why they didn't change the oil it would be interesting to see how long the change oil now message was on for and what was the oil life reading my guess minus 20
I recall in one of Car Wizard's videos where he said that modern cars do not tolerate skipped or postponed maintenance. This is firsthand evidence that he is correct.
My focus did this on and off with hints for 2 years and finally set the low rail pressure code, it had been running off the low pressure side. Pulled the HPFP and it was seized in the compressed position. 350.00 later, runs like a champ.
Ivan: Since this is not a roller cam lobe, wouldn't the cam lobe have been hardened originally and it looked like it had worn the lobe pretty well. Isn't this going to fail again due to the worn lobe? Maybe I don't know enough about cams but a flat tappet cam lobe worn like this one, will just keep wearing. Maybe on this car, it just doesn't matter. Love your videos; I look every day for the next one!
So where do you suppose all that worn off metal is now? It went into the engine, the bearings and everywhere else including the oil filter. That car is headed for a short life. Would be interesting to see what the oil pressure is like, both at idle and at speed.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Even with the follower replaced, the metal sporklies from it will have wreaked havoc through the engine. :-( It won't be long for this world. Plus if that cam lobe is hammered, so will the valve lobes.
Stick a quarter in the new follower for a shim and save the cost of a new pump. OMG did you throw that gas soaked towel on the ground? Not in an official hazmat receptacle? What were you thinking? ;)
Sad thing is you'll fix this issue (nice diagnosis btw) and something else will crop up in that abused engine. Spin a bearing or clog an oil pump, something. Whoever buys it is taking a real chance which I'm sure the seller won't disclose to them. What were all those white crusties on the cylinder head/valve cover?
My brother bought one with a bad 2l for my niece. I put a used engine in, 2 rear hub bearings, rear diff, had a bad bcm fuse causing havoc and now it’s stalling with a fuel pump driver module code😂. 128k and it’s plumb worn out
I'd use Valvoline's latest Restore and Protect oil that cleans the engine with repeated use and extra filter changes to prevent clogging. Other than that, this engine is headed to an early graveyard.
Where did all that worn metal go to? Right into the engine would be my guess. I'd say to that shop that there is no guarantee on that work. It needs a new engine in my opinion.
Pump appeared to function at idle volume but not higher rpm volume, it not being pumped enough because of wear makes sense. To have such poor oil maintenance and get that type of wear, the car engine is junk, I might give $500 for a local trip vehicle.
I had pne a month ago with a wiped camshaft. Can't skip services one GDI engines at all. Even the 7k oil change intervals Ford recommends are not enough, turbo charged engines need frequent oil changes. My video was nowhere near the quality of yours, but the same DTC, at roughly the same mileage.
That's not just lack of oil changes, it's poor lubrication....for whatever reason. That damaged cam lobe is pretty quickly going to eat the new follower. Cam should have been replaced and the poor lubrication investigated. High pressure pump is a stupid design and concept anyway. Pump should have a roller lifter at the very least.
Every 3000 to 4000 miles or 6 months whichever comes first! OIL IS CHEAP! ENGINES ARE EXPENSIVE! Turbo engines are more expensive!
That's a good one Ivan! Thank you for the video.
Too many people wait until it's broken to change oil and do other maintenance. Good one Ivan.
Running on sludge instead of oil... It's amazing no other mechanical problems popped up - it takes a while to eat all that metal with minimal oil. Great diagnostic, Ivan!
Sludge top to bottom on that engine. Needs a flush.
All that missing metal went somewhere. Want to take a guess at where? 6-10 miles (or less) it will need a new engine.
@@kimberlydeann Part of it was taken care of when Ivan requested the oil change, prior to his diagnostic. Possibly, a second oil change will clear most of the remaining - these are microscopic particles that will pose no major problem, provided that the run on sludge for unknown time, didn't cause other issues. Yet, the sludge itself, may have created deposits that may, indeed, require a flush - up to the owner to decide.
Well he did add the follower and shaft as they ground down. So it wasn't all sludge.
I've seen those buckets cracked, as well as pieces missing. I bet it's more common than we think, lack of oil changes aside.
Yikes! I've had a couple of them that looked like that. Replaced the tappet and pump, and the engines ran fine for a little while. Until the chewed up cams ate its way through the replacement tappets a short time later. I hate to say it, Ivan. But once that cam gets tore up like that, it's soon to be curtains for that engine. If it's not already.
A reliable car can be a big investment for a lot of people. And changing the oil on time would have kept that engine running smoothly for decades. A full synthetic oil change may sound a little steep, but having to replace an engine is FAR more expensive. I can't stress this enough, but please change your oil!
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I was thinking the same thing.. that cam is eventually going to cause another problem. I'm really surprised there's no noticeable drop in fuel pressure with the cam lobe being rounded some.
Well said, you can't just replace a follower after a cam lobe has chewed it up and expect it to last, they never do.
@@NeoAndersonReloaded Oh, for sure they will be back. And angry as a beehive.
Great video as always. I just did the exact repair on another but I opted for cam replacement also as my customers was much worse looking than that. Also the lobe that drives the fuel pump has 3 peaks on it not just the one so worth checking all three while you're there. Can't wait for the next one! Thanks Ivan!
Seems fair to suggest that 4 cylinder engines get oil and filter changes more often than typical because they are under more stress than 6 or 8 cyl engines. Especially a turbo.
@@Garth2011 if any engine has overhead cams, it's better to change the oil on factory service schedule.
@@Bryan-Hensley Explain that one. Factory service schedules tend to exaggerate.
The never ending quest to get more and more out of smaller and smaller displacement engines has forced the use of turbochargers to give that extra pep needed sometimes. The drawback to turbochargers is that your oil becomes diluted with fuel from high combustion pressure. Oil changes must be cut in half that which is expected with a naturally aspirated engine.
And now we know why the car was dumped at auction. Stay away from that one! All that metal went somewhere.
Was thinking the same thing
Change oil twice in 100 km clean the pan and hope for the best 😅
All that metal inside the engine can’t be good
It's down in the pan.. I'm sure it's fine.
It would be a good idea to drop the pan and clean it out and make sure your pickup tube is clear. That's what I would do if it were my car.
Depends on the price. If you get it cheap enough you can put an engine from a junkyard car and have a reliable car.
@ time 12:32, The engines not missing any of that metal it's flowing right through it. If you don't take care of your equipment this is what happens. Very interesting video Ivan thank you
I appreciate you trying to save the customer money. I think if it was my car I would want a cam shaft, logistics permitting.
The whole thing might have "tasted" a little better though if we had gotten to understand what choices you gave them.
Strong follower
Ivan, my Dad always said "a drop of oil makes the world go around". Looks like you Ford just proved him right! Thanks for Sharing! 🙃🙂 P.S. I'm going out right now to make sure my oil is doing the job I think it is doing!
That follower should turn in the bore. Looks like it was stuck. It does the same as a flat tappet camshaft. The lobe is slightly angled so it spins the follower.
Please check the oil pick up of the oil pump too! There might be debris in there!
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Amazes me how people don't do oil changes. Oil and filters are cheap. Engines and repairs are expensive!!
Especially with a turbo. Synthetic only.
But why when you can trade it in and make it someone else's problem? ... Their mentality because they like being on the perpetual payment machine I guess!
I'm so scared with my ecobeast, project farm has convinced me to buy ultra platinum pennzoil
@@_RiseAgainst I run 2 mechanics shops with my dad and we have been in business 50 years as of last year. The Ecoboosts are OK if you keep up on the maintenance by changing the oil regularly (no more than 5K miles) and aren't hard on them... Not granny driving but also not killing them every chance you get because they are turbo's. Gen 1 and 2 we have seen go 300K miles no problem doing this. Remember a lot of people abuse their cars because they are on the perpetual payment machine so they don't care. That's where the horror stories come from. Not good owners like you and me that care. Change all your other fluids at 1/2 the recommended normal service life interval in the manual and you are golden!
@@CedroCron I know, remember we argued about GM? Bet you didn't know my daily was a ford! And my motor is not called an ecoboost because that was considered their "economy" line until 2016, so the ST variants just had "DIT". Even though it's the same motor just a slightly different tune.
Had a 2018 Escape the other day that was a no start tow in and the tech noticed the high pressure going wonky but no codes. We followed it a bit and checked the supply side pressure and fuel rail pressure sensor coming up with nothing so I finally went back to the basics and asked him to try starting it on alternate fuel/spraying it. No dice so asked him to check compression. 50 and 40 PSI on all 4 and noticed then it was a sludge bucket. Used engine for the fix.
Crazy how those high pressure systems react when the ECM is trying to regulate the fuel pressure with unprogrammed variables happening.
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Thanks!
I'm no materials expert but it seems like once you disturb the metallurgy of a hardened cam lobe, it is on borrowed time.
@@kevin9c1 that's the definition of an auction car 🤣
Gearbox shift patterns was also different, first was to the left and down like your reverse, second was your first gear, third straight down and fourth to the right and up like your 5 gear.
I have a friend that didn't follow routine maintenance schedule. When the engine blew up she blamed the manufacturer for building junk. Not themselves for not maintaining the vehicle.
Can't fix stupid 😂
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnosticsno parts requiered 😊
Many, many people don't understand second order effects. She didn't specifically try to blow up the engine so therefore it's not her fault.
Ivan strikes again! You're gonna have to get a cape son. XD I got to diag and replace a F/P in a 2500HD Silverado Crew cab today. Needless to say, it was a bit more fun to get to. I just unbolt the bed, put the lift arms under the corners and raise it up to the ceiling. My lift won't pick that truck up. XD Thanks for the entertainment and education all in one.
Great diagnosis! I'm amazed that this doesn't happen more often. Those pumps are under so much stress....
It is weird the actual pressure was twice the requested. you would think it would be reversed and actual is lower from lack of travel at least.
I don't see how it regulates the pressure driving off a cam. I could see that follower not following at 100% though.
That broken piece inside the engine can't be good! Nice job........
What a great way to end my day, thanks Ivan
Nice video Ivan. Cars nowadays are nothing but high priced junk!!
Great fix, Ivan! That will be a lesson for the customer to keep up with his oil changes.👍
great video..does make you wonder what other problems are lurking due to low/bad oiling.
I'd tell them to sell it. Seeing the damage on the lobe, I would not expect things to last too long. Once the surface starts flaking, it is only a matter of time. Too bad this vehicle did not have proper maintenance.
French cars used to run on straight 40w oil and rear end on plant oil , and Citroen hydraulic oil was so special that if you put on regular hydraulic Oil or ATF the who system would leak and need a total overhaul rear end was worn gears . Everything very different from USA , and those 4 cyl french engines ran 1 million km without oil change. Believe it or not french engine oil often had added graphite
Clutch throw bearing was a long lasting graphite disk, not ball bearings . A different world
It never ceases to amaze me at the number of people willing to risk thousands of dollars in repairs to their engines over the small cost of an oil change. I chance mine every 5000km and only use synthetic oil with a total cost for the oil change in the $50 range. (I do them myself)
I wonder if the oil feed to that cam lobe is clogged? It could be running dry even after the oil change, hence the problem happening again.
I am an old timer. With naturally aspirated engines we used to have a single fuel pump that ran off of an eccentric on the cam shaft. There was a lever on the pump that actuated a very simple diaphragm mechanism with two check valves, one in one out. It worked perfectly for about 80 years. Then we were told that they had to put an electric pump inside the fuel tank. The fact that this
" high pressure pump" works pretty much the same as the old fuel pumps tells me that they were lying to us. The only comment I have regarding the arrangement on this engine is why the hell didnt they use a roller follower arrangement instead of a thin cup to ride on the camshaft?
I had a 2012 Qx56 auction car that would idle ok but shut off as soon you stepped on the gas. Low and high fuel pump pids were about similar. In my case the cam bucket was welded to its bore and had a nice hole at the bottom. Humongous job it turned out to be. Broken teeth on the crank gear didn't wreck the engine tho.
Thanks for letting me know about topscan. I ordered one and it's already found some long term stubborn issues
This issue was common with early VW TSI petrol engines as well, with the difference that in those cases, metal shavings ended up in the injectors, the tank, and all the fuel lines. Later, this was modified to a roller design.
How could the metal shavings get into the fuel system? 🤔
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Yes, you're right, I haven't looked into these things in a long time, back when I was about to buy a car. In the case of diesel engines, there were instances where the entire fuel system was filled with metal shavings due to the high-pressure pump. This issue didn't occur with gasoline engines, but in earlier years, similar problems happened with non-roller systems, as seen in the video, and they eventually switched to roller-based ones
Well, that's no answer. How did the metal get past the plunger and into the fuel system was the question. Seeing as it's a physical impossibility unless the plunger itself was destroyed, and that no super high pressure fuel could then have been generated due to pressure loss, diesel or gasoline, to go the injectors once an almost infinitesimal scratch had occurred on the plunger -- so the engine would not have worked and the metal shavings wouldn't have been drawn in and contaminated the fuel system with zero movement, so your answer makes zero sense. Full stop or period. You sure you know how these pumps work? Something else had to be going on.
Or to be charitable to you, it was just VW who had some stupid unique design nobody else had the imagination to come up with. Look at the EA888 timing chain system to see uniqueness at work. Argh! No! The torture is too much!
After 22 years of Audi nonsense, I guess some of the explanations I got from Hans the service foreman for failures (true name and you should have seen his eyebrows and white lab coat from '75 to '96) beyond the usual one trotted out about my not being a German and thus not a suitable human candidate for driving such a precision piece of Teutonic machinery because I would inevitably ruin it, was that aliens from outer space had caused the problem, because this problem had never before occurred on this planet. Moreover, I was incredibly lucky that Hans and his boys had possessed the amazing ability to order and have in stock precisely the parts needed to repair this one in a billion event.
Funnily enough, when, in a fit of pique after another BS excuse was offered up by Hans, I went Japanese, the aliens apparently all went back to Rigel IV and thus ended their slow conquest of Earth in cooperation with Herr Doktor Professor Dipl Eng Ferdinand Piech, Chairman VW AG. As far as I could tell, anyway. Because no problems beyond normal wear items happened in ten years, after which I bought another Japanese car, and it lasted eleven before my roving eye decided a new car would be nice.
Avoidance of VW products is a strategy I advocate to anyone who'll listen. But there is a never-ending supply of people who are willing to give them a sporting try. Before discovering for themselves it was a bad bet.
If i were the customer I'd drop the pan and clean out the oil pan so the pickup doesn't get clogged. 💪💪
Great diag. Check the pump and cam follower first. Got lucky on the cam been OK.
That camshafts going to tear up a new cam follower and pump very fast. It should last long enough for the dealer to sell it to an unsuspecting customer and leave them stuck with the camshaft bill. Not to mention that metal from the follower and the torn up cam is probably going to wreck havoc on the rest of the engine internals. This flat tappet design is very similar to the first generation VW/Audi 2.0t FSI engines and once you chew up a follower you were replacing them every oil change. Love your diagnostic work but I would not of done this repair without replacing the camshaft, especially for a car dealership.
Awesome diagnostic video!
I have to start watching your videos more often! 😊
Had they done oil changes every 3-4,000 miles, that engine would be running fine now. GREAT VIDEO!
Nobody does oil changes that often, complete waste of money.
@@Malc180s Absolutely. I have one with 500,000 miles on it.
Great detective work.
Thanks Wyatt! Experience shortened the diagnostic time considerably on this one :)
My 08 Audi ate through the cam follower too! Luckily I knew it was a common issue so I would swap not out with a new one every 50k.
I can’t see that bucket lasting long. The cam lobe must be a mess.
I would have just put a thick disc down in the bottom of the cup to account for the amount that was ground away from the pump stem.. then you could have still used the old pump if it was too expensive. But for this many miles-- 200 isn't bad for a new pump. Nice call. I'm sure this thing is dying for a timing job soon though. lol. You know it has never had one.
Earlier this year I did a warranty inspection an Escape with the exact same issue with the hole worn right through the bucket. If my memory serves correct the camshaft lobe may have experienced some wear as well.
I already checked the fuel filter internal to the fuel pump assembly
It's not extra travel for the pump because that's decide by the cam it's may be piston out of position in the pump as piston now sit at a wrong starting position 😁. I like your systematic intelligent approach Ivan 😁 ❤️, much smarter than most Americans, and you know. !! Otherwise they wouldn't call you all the time, but it's sad for USA, too much pill TV 💊
Well done Ivan, I was guessing a kinked pipe or clogged filter.
I love Ivan's videos.
I see same issue with my friend car,but beside pump and folower,camshaft is damaged too
The car has good service interval ~10k km.
Excellent presentation ! Very helpful !!
Great video and diagnosis. I guess that one goes back to the auction. 😂😂
I performed a diagnostic on a 2014 Hyundai Sonata a few years back with that same code, turned out the HPFP follower was missing altogether. How? No idea, pulled the valve cover, never found it or any remains of it. No camshaft damage either. $180 for that little booger from the local Hyundai dealer, (Roller follower, not a lash cap type on the Ford) ran perfect. Still running since I saw it last the other day.
Me thinks the cam lobe will grind away next which will take out the follower and fuel pump again.
That engine likely could use some rislone additive in this batch of oil then change it again in 500 miles. Then, change the oil (Synthetic 100%) and filer again after another 500 miles with another can of rislone then every 5,000 miles thereafter back to just oil and filter or keep using Rislone...it helps more than it hurts.
Nearly a miracle !
A friend had the same thing happen on a VW in the first years of GDI. VW apparently had issued a TSB that the cam follower was insufficiently hardened and should be replaced or this would happen.
Some people don't realize how important regular oil changed are.
Damage and sludge is usually caused by lack of oil. They start leaking and burning oil, the engine runs low on oil 6 to 8 times, the engine suffers.
Hope all is going well Ivan!
Way to go Ivan
Great diagnostic, like the video thanks.
These are the coolant intrusion escape variants. Also what in the world was the garbage in the crevice at 7:25 ?? Such a shame that folks don’t change their oil regularly.
Their thinking is: "Why change oil when we can just pass it on to the next owner and get a new one?"
Awesome diag. Thanks Ivan!
Great 👍 job.
Back to the auto auction with this one.
Nice looking 2017 Escape! Great price! Poor unsuspecting buyer stuck with the major repairs this car will need.
That engine will be on Eric’s channel soon
I wonder how good is the oil pressure light on these engines plus I wonder why they didn't change the oil it would be interesting to see how long the change oil now message was on for and what was the oil life reading my guess minus 20
Often the cam lobe gets damaged and will cause the new pump to bounce and effect fuel pressure on full throttle acceleration.
I recall in one of Car Wizard's videos where he said that modern cars do not tolerate skipped or postponed maintenance. This is firsthand evidence that he is correct.
Don't have to be a Wizard to figure that one out LOL!
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Oh, I know that! I just wanted to give credit to dude for saying it first.
Nice job motoyam
How did that camshaft lobe not get worn round? We can't say Ford skimped on manufacturing that! A lot of metal was traveling through that engine too.
That was a surprise. 🤯
My focus did this on and off with hints for 2 years and finally set the low rail pressure code, it had been running off the low pressure side.
Pulled the HPFP and it was seized in the compressed position. 350.00 later, runs like a champ.
GREAT JOB!!!!
Ivan: Since this is not a roller cam lobe, wouldn't the cam lobe have been hardened originally and it looked like it had worn the lobe pretty well. Isn't this going to fail again due to the worn lobe? Maybe I don't know enough about cams but a flat tappet cam lobe worn like this one, will just keep wearing. Maybe on this car, it just doesn't matter. Love your videos; I look every day for the next one!
I'd really appreciate your inputs.
Shout out to the goat Ivan💪
So where do you suppose all that worn off metal is now? It went into the engine, the bearings and everywhere else including the oil filter. That car is headed for a short life. Would be interesting to see what the oil pressure is like, both at idle and at speed.
Excellent video
GDI engines suck when properly maintained - when neglected, they suck harder.
LOL!
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Even with the follower replaced, the metal sporklies from it will have wreaked havoc through the engine. :-( It won't be long for this world. Plus if that cam lobe is hammered, so will the valve lobes.
@@jamesward5721 they suck only 1/4 of the time...the rest of the time they" squeeze, bang, blow! ;)
I wonder how much metal is on the magnetic drain plug...
Stick a quarter in the new follower for a shim and save the cost of a new pump. OMG did you throw that gas soaked towel on the ground? Not in an official hazmat receptacle? What were you thinking? ;)
For me in the title "Turbo GDI " and black oil are red flags. If they had opened the old oil filter there must be a lot of "glitter"in it.
Wow, incredible.
Sad thing is you'll fix this issue (nice diagnosis btw) and something else will crop up in that abused engine. Spin a bearing or clog an oil pump, something. Whoever buys it is taking a real chance which I'm sure the seller won't disclose to them. What were all those white crusties on the cylinder head/valve cover?
You get what you pay for lol
I’d hate to see what those cam caps look like!
Those are junk but with no maintenance they are really junk!!!! As soon as it ran good I would dump it somehow. Thanks Ivan!
My brother bought one with a bad 2l for my niece. I put a used engine in, 2 rear hub bearings, rear diff, had a bad bcm fuse causing havoc and now it’s stalling with a fuel pump driver module code😂. 128k and it’s plumb worn out
@@mph5896 I had a neighbor that had one with a cracked block loosing coolant so she traded it for a Mitsubishi. That thing was a POS!
I'd use Valvoline's latest Restore and Protect oil that cleans the engine with repeated use and extra filter changes to prevent clogging. Other than that, this engine is headed to an early graveyard.
I'm trying the Valvoline Restore oil on a few oil burners...will see if it can unstick piston rings :)
Does anybody have any idea where all those little metal pieces from that went? Is it gonna cause engine damage?
Where did all that worn metal go to? Right into the engine would be my guess. I'd say to that shop that there is no guarantee on that work. It needs a new engine in my opinion.
Pump appeared to function at idle volume but not higher rpm volume, it not being pumped enough because of wear makes sense. To have such poor oil maintenance and get that type of wear, the car engine is junk, I might give $500 for a local trip vehicle.
i wonder how many shops would replace fuel pump at $$$
it has the same setup as the 2006 Audi A4 2.0 HIGH PURESSUR FUEL PUMP
Hey, that was lifetime oil you asked them to change 🙂
I had pne a month ago with a wiped camshaft. Can't skip services one GDI engines at all. Even the 7k oil change intervals Ford recommends are not enough, turbo charged engines need frequent oil changes. My video was nowhere near the quality of yours, but the same DTC, at roughly the same mileage.
Pretty good diag Ivan-- You're just like a problem blood hound. I think you can smell where the problems are LOL.
Why cant people just change the oil? I dont understand.
Turbos have oil fed bearing so fubared by neglect too.
Ivan, this is not your first rodeo. Great work!!
Change your oil regularly people.
That's not just lack of oil changes, it's poor lubrication....for whatever reason. That damaged cam lobe is pretty quickly going to eat the new follower. Cam should have been replaced and the poor lubrication investigated. High pressure pump is a stupid design and concept anyway. Pump should have a roller lifter at the very least.