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The US leaving NATO would basically mean that they are willing to give up their position as world leader and return to isolationist policies, like they were common especially before ww1. That would not only be massive betrayal of any values the US claim to hold dear (similar to blocking military aid to Ukraine already was), but it would mean the EU would either massively arm up and reorganize, thus becoming a friendly, but extremely strong rival, or the US being without any strong global allies and the EU militarily not up to par, leading to a world increasingly dominated by China (and maybe a bit Russia, but they don't really matter much in the long run... only reason they ever had money to remain a significant country was selling natural resources to the west, and their rusting soviet arsenal).
It would leave a vacuum in the world that you can bet the likes of Russia and China will take advantage off, it would also weaken the US around the world.
On the plus side, it would put a lot more pressure on European countries in the EU to get their act together and start doing more through the EU, they've got the resources and economy to do it but many countries use the excuse of the US protecting them or NATO as an excuse, that excuse would be blown out of the water if the US were to leave NATO and would force the Europeans to become a superpower through the EU, after all, the EU is the only credible one that could replace the US in that role if the European countries got there act together and pool resources together, and you can bet that an isolated US will mean Russia and China will take full advantage of that, putting further pressure on Europeans to get there act together and form a common voice and military through the EU.
In truth, the US won't leave NATO, it's not in their interest to do so as it would weaken their own power around the world and would play right into the hands of what Russia and China wants, it would also play right into the hands of the pro federalist in the EU that want to build on much further integration, after all, everything has a countermeasure, the US leaving that vacuum open will force another to fill it, Russia and China looks very unappealing to most of the world, the EU is the only credible one that has the economy, population and resources to do it if they get there act together on the political side.
I’ve just read some news about Britains nuclear warhead capabilities… “The United Kingdom has confirmed that it is developing a replacement U.K. ‘Sovereign’ Nuclear Warhead for its Trident missiles. The MOD says in the ‘Defence Nuclear Enterprise Command Paper’ “Replacing the UK’s warhead will ensure the UK’s deterrent remains cutting edge, safe and effective”. The U.K. is also developing Hypersonic missiles and Radio Frequency Directed Energy Weapons (RFDEW) and an independent DragonFire Laser weapon.
I heard about DragonFire before. Sounds amazing!
America leaves NATO and it loses its biggest defence industry customer
PS; had a nuclear bomb proved impossible to develop in 1945 and Japan had to be invaded, it in any case would NOT have been a US/Soviet operation for several reasons, but instead, a US/British Empire one. With the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand being the principal force providers.
If Trump gets in then Putin will be celebrating
Trump will pull out NATO, US under Trump is not reliable ally. Europe needs to defend itself I'm afraid
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I doubt it, Trump is a wild card, you don't know what you are going to get with him, after all, he says a lot of things but the actions can be very different to what he says.
At least with Biden, Putin knows what he's getting, but with Trump, you just don't know.
But with that said, Trump would likely strain relations with a lot of countries around the world and it could change the geopolitical situation against US interest, basically, it's one thing Trump getting into power ones, it might have been a one-off, but him getting into power again will tell the world that the US isn't a reliable partner any more and countries will change according to that, which would likely hurt US interest.
In a sense, a Trump return is probably what Russia and Chain want because they can take advantage of the division and they will to weaken America's position in the world.
In the end, Trump talks a lot of shit, it's what he can do that really matters, and because of the system, his power would be limited if he goes off the rails, still it would be funny for the entertainment value if Trump were to return, after all, he was a barrel of laughs the last time, and not for the right reasons lol.
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A lot of the talk on this is to put the wind up European countries, and it has had an effect as many countries are signaling their intension to up spending. The US isn't going to leave, but it might well look to put more conditions on staying in.
The U.K. lasers weapon is awesome. It can hit a target the size of a penny from many kilometres away. ( English spelling).
Plus the fact the Ukraine will owe for US hell of a lot of money when this is all over, which they’ll have to pay back over the next dozen generations, just like the UK did after the Second World War. Or of course the US swaps that debt for food oil or airbase in the Ukraine?
If Ukraine wins the war and eventually joins the EU and modernise, the cost will be quite small for Ukraine over the long run and they will likely get a lot of help from the EU.
This is all on the assumption that Ukraine wins the war and joins the EU, if none of that happens then yes it could be really expensive for Ukraine, so much so that it's unlikely they'll pay back the money.
I think the US is protected from invasion due to two oceans on its both sides and therefore benefits less from NATO, however is with NATO stronger as an expeditionary force. Europe doesnt have any of that so it has more proximity to conflicts and therefore benefits more from NATO than America from Europe
Check your map of the world again.
It doesn't quite work that way in reality, a US leaving NATO would force EU countries to take more drastic measures, it would likely weaken the US position around the world whiles boosting the EU's position, also, China and Russia would very likely take advantage of the situation to weaken the US further.
The geographic of the US will mean very little with how advance warfare is getting and the US wouldn't be safe.
But the truth is, it's not going to happen because it would be the US that losses out in so many ways.
Ermmm Pearl harbour
I do understand what you are trying to say
The United Nations should invest heavily in the development of defense technology. Defense! Not retaliation! Make it physically impossible for any missiles to enter (or exit) any nation's territory.
President Reagan's "Star Wars" idea went in the right direction, but that technology should be mandatory for every nation, with devestating sanctions should one refuse to implement it.
Put an end to national militaries, and let the UN take the responsibility to keep peace.
I agree with the first and second paragraphs but I don’t agree with your last paragraph. NO! To putting an end to national militaries, handing over sovereignty to the UN. Yes to working together under alliances like NATO, AUKUS and others.
I hope with Radio Frequency Directed Energy Weapons (RFDEW) and Laser weapons being used and developed now. We might see nations within our alliances using these as they develop to counterattack nuclear weapons attacking other countries.
Like the EU, the UN has proven it can’t be trusted. It is corrupt! - It is infested by too much Chinese influence to suit their own interests, alongside powerful conglomerates, corporations who are trying to push their own globalised agendas to have more power and influence over us all, at the detriment of ruining our societies and destroying our cultures and national identities.
If the US were to leave NATO, it would weaken the US position in Europe and potentially the world, also, it would cut out a lot of the excuses from some European countries that don't want to build a European military through the EU because of NATO, basically, the US leaving NATO would boost the odds of an EU military forming, even thought I suspect in time it will happen regardless of NATO because of the changing geopolitical world.
In truth, it's highly unlikely that the US would leave NATO, it's not in the US interest to do so and it's not really in the EU's interest for that to happen, especially with how things are heating up with Russia and China, as well as the world becoming less stable, and regardless of the differences the EU and US have with each other, they are both stable democracies that stand for better values then what others like Russia or China are offering, so it's in the interest of both the EU and US to make it work.
Even if USA left NATO. Even if EU cant defend against Russia. Do you think it is good for USA to have the entire EU annexed by Russia? They would be forced to join sooner or later. NATO or no NATO if Europe started loosing USA would have no choice. It was demonstrated in both WW1 and WW2, history would repeat itself.
Germany has a lot of smart people😂😂
It was the Germans that put Americans on the moon.
And it was mostly European that contributed to the atomic bomb, actually name me one decent American physicist pre World War II.
Don't mention Oppenheimer
Nukes definitely help, but Russia also wants to use its nukes like a madman, which makes a nuclear exchange more probable and thetefore makes MAD obsolete
I don’t think America would up sticks and leave NATO but the U.K. France and europe should never take Americas membership of NATO as a given. Having said that, if America left NATO as quickly as it left Afghanistan, countries in Europe would be in trouble. That’s not because we don’t have the capabilities but our reliance on Americas security since the end of WW2 and our inability to invest more money in our militaries, so European countries can develop independently new technologies to manufacture cutting edge weaponry would mean we couldn’t defend ourselves. But if we did invest more money and utilise our greatest scientists and engineers, the U.K., France and Europe could defend itself and project power on the world stage again but we couldn’t conjure up that defence capability overnight, it would take many years to build ourselves up to the level needed to be self sufficient defence wise. The irony is, under the Manhattan project the U.K. shared it’s atomic secrets with the US which helped America build the worlds first nuclear bomb. Britain at that time was ahead of America in research for atomic weapons but we couldn’t develop them here in Britain, we didn’t have the money or the resources, and the war with Germany would of put the development of independent nuclear bombs made in Britain in jeopardy. But America has more nuclear warheads than us, and we chose the American trident system rather then independently developing our own nukes like France to save money.
My anti-NATO comment was immediately removed by YT despite breaking none of their stated rules.
YT have gone increasingly Orwellian lately. I am getting scientific climate facts removed again and again, when posting via US/Australian/Canadian servers, you know the nations where Murdoch media have significant market shares and where the fossil fuels are heavily subsidised.
The British discovered it could not be the policemen of the world. It’s unreasonable expect the USA to take the burden of NATO. We all know the British stood alone after France was defeated . This left the UK an unsinkable aircraft carrier. It took time to build up forces for DDay. We would never have that time second time around. We need the USA but Here we need to buck our ideas up. Put back the British Army of the Rhine. Fully man and stock our two aircraft carriers and build enough ships to at least field two task groups.
An european army is the solution and would stop some american interferences in Europe to sell aircrafts, tanks etc.
Unlikely, though in truth the more blatant European defence freeloaders could hardly blame any US administration that did. Albeit still being more complex an issue on several grounds than merely whether any given NATO ally meets the 2% of GDP defence funding guideline.
Either way, we British should in any case seriously consider leaving in some specific eventualities, irrespective of whether the US does or not.
germany started 2 world wars so not letting then have nukes is a peachy ideea...
The only nation that has used atomic weapons in war is the US, a similar argument could be made against them having nuclear weapons. I’m not making that argument, I am just pointing out that there are good arguments for no one having them.
Just imagine Germany having nukes, with their history... Not a good idea, don't you think?
As for "respecting France a lot", you're maybe somewhat misinformed both re French governments' long term central policy objectives and Paris' fixed anti-Anglosphere and especially anti-American agendas. Not to mention the accompanying hypocrisy of the selective hollowing out of French forces suitable primarily for war in Europe to enable ongoing global posturing, yet while relying on continued US protection and commitment to the NATO area.
"...Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 - U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.
"...The documents show that multiple national leaders were considering and rejecting Central and Eastern European membership in NATO as of early 1990 and through 1991, that discussions of NATO in the context of German unification negotiations in 1990 were not at all narrowly limited to the status of East German territory, and that subsequent Soviet and Russian complaints about being misled about NATO expansion were founded in written contemporaneous memcons and telcons at the highest levels.
"...The documents reinforce former CIA Director Robert Gates’s criticism of “pressing ahead with expansion of NATO eastward [in the 1990s], when Gorbachev and others were led to believe that wouldn’t happen.”[1] The key phrase, buttressed by the documents, is “led to believe.”
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Headline: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard
Source: GWU d*t edu
Date: December 17, 2017
Note: All of the declassified documents (1990/91 security assurances) to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner against NATO expansion can be found at the George Washington University web site I urge you to read them.
NATO breaching these assurances (of not moving "one inch eastward") is the underlying reason Putin invaded Ukraine.
If such promises were made (...and there is an IF here - mostly in what constitues a "prmoise" in this context) - they were made to the Soviet union....NOT to Russia. Thus no promises were broken.
Trump will not want to leave nato. All nato members should have the +2% defence budget and not freeride. As an european i hope Trump wins. He wont start proxy wars
Trump went to POOtin´s Moscow in hope of building a golden tower but all he got were a FSB filmed golden shower. Russia DID meddle in the US election that got Trump elected and many of POOtin´s trolls were directly involved in the internet crazy operations. They were, documented by US intelligence, even behind both a pro Trump and anti Trump event/demonstrations that happened where 1 got killed and several injured. In both cases they used proxies inside USA they channelled funds and support to most likely without those individuals understanding they were aided by POOtin.
If in doubt about how treacherous Trump are then look up the presser he did with POOtin in Helsinki in 2018 where Trump, prior to that meeting, HAD been briefed by US intelligence of the certain knowledge of POOtin meddling in the US election that got Trump elected. At that presser POOtin denies that and Trump "sees no reason to doubt POOtin" This are not an opinion but straight forward facts that you can look up yourself by making a simple search on YT for this presser. THAT actually became to much for the Republican party at home in USA why Trump had to retract/modify his statement in public, one of few times Trump have backtracked on his POOtin loving statements, and also that public backtracking, broadcasted from the oval office, can be found by a simple search, happened 2-3 days after the presser in Helsinki and less than 24 hours after he set foot on US soil. Nevertheless the party of McCarthyism in USA have had an in explainable journey last years, unless you maybe take heavy monetary bribes into account.
Totally off-topic, but I think, Connor that you might enjoy a jolly good giggle : British humour at its best, here "Not the Nine O'Clock News 1979 S01E01 Show One" - SuperCutHero ... and folllowing.
Enjoy!