What Is God's Plan for ISRAEL: Romans 11:7-24
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- This will require some thinking on your part. We are trying to get a careful, biblical and thoughtful understanding of God's plan for Israel as revealed in the Bible and in Romans 11 in particular.
We need a biblical and balanced view of Israel. Romans 11 gives us just this. We see the fact that Israel rejected the Messiah. We see why they didn’t believe. We see that this failure is not universal. And we see that there is a glorious hope for their future! When you understand God’s gracious plan for Israel you see into the heart of God’s grace toward yourself as well.
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Somehow Mike's messages are always timely, no matter what the topic or how long ago they were recorded. Currently worrying over my unbelieving wife, but those words of encouragement at the end really hit home.
I'll try to make this as short and to the point as possible. Love you Pastor Mike, and appreciate everything you're doing. My wife and I have learned so much from your teaching. That being said, I have to disagree in part with the Israel/church distinction. But this requires a higher degree of precision when defining what that actually means. I've heard a few teachers now try to equate fulfillment theology with replacement theology as if they're the same error in different packages. While I do believe it is error to say the church has replaced Israel, Paul adamantly and repeatedly teaches that the church is the ultimate fulfillment of the promises made to Abraham. The church is not the new Israel, it is the True Israel. The Israel of God. There is one circumcision, one faith, one seed, one promise, one inheritance, one people, one hope, one gospel, one spirit, one baptism, one savior, one God. We are all grafted into one body/olive tree/vine in Christ. We do not remain jews or gentiles, we together have become the true Israel through Faith. Dispensationalists often say the scriptures teach a clear distinction between Israel and the Church, and use the idea that Israel is the bride of Christ, and the Church is The Body of Christ. This undermines the whole reason Paul uses this metaphor in the first place. For who can become a man's body along with him except his Bride, whom through the covenant and consummation of Marriage, the two become one flesh. Paul explicitly teaches this about Christ and the church in Ephesians. Indeed all Israel will be saved, but not all Israel are Israel, but those who believe are children of Abraham whether Jew or Gentile. I honestly find it difficult to understand how any spiritually discerning person can read Paul's letters and come to any other conclusion than this. The Church is the true Israel.
Beautifully said! I love Mike Winger and he's an excellent teacher, but I believe he does misinterpret scripture in some areas such as this one.
Actually, the Church more resembles an extension of Israel in that all the promises and status of God's initial chosen people are extended to us in Christ.
I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense, especially in light of Paul's metaphor with the cultivated olive tree and the wild branches being grafted into it. Look at the context of this analogy. There simply is not the least room for the church being the true Israel. Paul explicitly contrasts ethnic Israelites (him being from the tribe of Benjamin) with ethnic gentiles. Why else does Paul warn gentile believers not to be arrogant toward the holy root/cultivated olive tree? The true Israel are believing ethnic Israelites, we as believing gentiles are blessed to soteriologically participate in it, yet that doesn't change our ethnicity to Israelites. That's Paul's whole point when he reminds us of the days of Elijah. The seven thousand believers who didn't bow their knees to Baal were ethnic Isrealites, Romans 9-11 is about ethnic Israelites and their role and the believing remnant. Paul defines true Israelites via his analogies as beliving ethnic Israelites. By what right are we to redefine this?
If the church, consisting also of gentile believers, is the true Israel, how on earth could we possibly be arrogant toward the cultivated olive tree? Did Paul warn us gentile believers not to be arrogant toward ourselves? That's absolute nonsense.
In Romans 3 Paul tells us that the promises and covenants (plural) belong (present tense) to ethnic Israel as mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31. God made the New Covenant between him and ethnic Israel, not between him and the church.
@@dw8134 the root is Christ, not ethnic Israelites. He tells us not to boast against the natural branches that were cut off because of unbelief. What makes one a true jew is faith in Christ. Only the bride can become the body. What Bible are you reading? You are putting words in Paul's mouth, adding to scripture, and badly twisting God's Word because you refuse to believe what it clearly teaches. The Church is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, and is collectively the temple of God. Those who have, through faith in Christ, entered the marriage covenant and take part in His death and resurrection. Scripture teaches that a man's Bride becomes his wife, and the two become one flesh, therefore a man's wife can also be rightly considered his body. The new Jerusalem is adorned as a Bride, but is called The Lamb's Wife (see Eph 5, this is another example of "The Mystery") and is built on the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets. Clearly the New Jerusalem is The Church. But I thought it was supposed to represent The True Israel of God? Indeed, they are one and the same.
@@Auliyah_not_urs But collectively erthnic Israel ist the root of the church because of the promises God gave the, the scriptures, the prophets and from them the Messiah came forth, that's literally in the text.
Where the heck does the Bible say that become a true jew by believing? Give me the scriptures.
You pretended that you are not promoting replacement theology, but in the end you are.
Man this is such a great teaching for today.
I really like your stuff. I recently found your channel and have to say that it is refreshing to find someone who teaches from a straight forward Biblical hermeneutic. God bless
Love to ses the Love of God in your teaching Mike. Yes and Amen Our Father has a plan for the Jews and All who accept Jesus and His Precious Gift of Grace. Thank You Heavenly Father, Thank You Jesus. 💚💜💚
Mike, you are one of my top go-to teachers and I'm happy to have discovered you some time back. As a fellow non-Calvinist, I appreciate your thoughtful verse by verse walk thru. I've seen most of your vids and I working through this Israel vid. It seems to me that there's a fine line between Israel and the church. Spiritually, we are Israel (Rom ?) and yet natural Israel appears to be displayed in the NT pertinent to prophetic fulfilment. See still watching and still studying. Thanks! Excellent content.
Also, digging the bow tie.
Who is physical Israel now? That seems to be part of the confusion.
Second to that would be the relevance thereof.
Que predicación tan maravillosa, aprendí tanto! 😊
Thank you Mike for your Ministry, I love them all and I tell everyone about you, I am looking forward to you doing a series on Apologetics. Please keep up the Good work 💪👍
Awesome Awesome teaching. Thank you.
Glory hallelujah to King Jesus.
John 3:16-21 💝👑
Thanks Pastor Mike
My husband (a new pastor) and I have been enjoying your video teachings very much, Mike. You're really gifted to teach The Word. We are Mid Acts Dispensational Grace believers, (oh, you want some hate from people? LOL..) and it seems to us from listening to a number of your teachings (particularly the ones on Romans 9, 10,11) that you are very close to seeing some excellent and fascinating truths about how God deals with mankind in different ways at different times. Thanks SO much for showing that God has a future plan for the nation of Israel. We know that the Church, the Body of Christ has NOT replaced Israel in His plans. Would love a chance to dialogue with you more sometime.
hate is just when someone disagrees with another....quite pathetic really....the idea that if one does not agree they .....hate....
Hi Stephanie. What is a mid acts dospensarional grace.... mean?
Mike, I thank God for your clear teachings of the Bible.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
10. Watch the UA-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
I needed this! Praise God. Please pray for a friend I care about named Gil and his mother Nomy. They are Jewish from Israel.
"So many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the LORD. Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you" (Zech. 8:22-23).
Thank you.
"Pride is like a really bad toot" may be my favorite Wingerism ever 🤣
I especially relate to the introduction point. So few Christian’s are aware of the dynamics between Jews and gentiles and how God still has so many plans for national Israel!
In Christ there are no differences between the two. Jesus tore down the wall that divided (Ephesians 2:14-16; Galatians 3:28). The only future for ethnic, national Israel is for salvation - and actually it's only the elect remnant of ethnic Jews, not an entire nation only in the middle east, but from all over the world. All believers in Christ are the spiritual seed of Abraham (Galatians 3:7-9; 29).
@@SavedByTheBloodOfChrist551 so you are saying God has gone back on his promise? Genesis 15:17-18 CSB
When the sun had set and it was dark, a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch appeared and passed between the divided animals. [18] On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, "I give this land to your offspring, from the Brook of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates River:
Yay! Awesome mike! This sounds like dispensationalism! Woohoo God bless you brother!
Mike Winger giving off Bill Nye the Science Guy vibes! 😄❤️
Thank you preacher. God bless you for allowing yourself to be taught by God and for giving out the truth as you have been taught by him. For those who have any contrary views, please respond to the following:
Do you believe there are prophecies about the nation of Israel that are yet to be fulfilled after Jesus ascended to heaven or after the day of pentecost? Do you believe that the re-garhering and creation of the modern state of Israel is a fulfillment of scriptural prophecies? How would you interprete Jesus prophecy; Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles untill the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled (be over). In Act 2 , the disciples asked Jesus, will you at this time restore the kingdom (sovereignty) back to Israel? Jesus replied, it is not for you to know the time the Father has put in his authority, meaning the Almighty God will in the future restore the sovereignty of the state of Israel . Could you pls reflect and give interpretation of Jesus response? what wouls you say about the story of Joseph and his brothers signifies? Do you remember that the Gentiles were fed more abundantly than Joseph's brothers before Joseph made himself known to his brothers? What did Jesus mean when he said; the Jews will not see him until they will say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord ? What would you say about the prophecy of Zechariah; they will weep for him, every house apart, the house of David apart and the house of Levi apart. Whatever interpretation we might want to present, it is very clear from scriptures that just as Joseph made himself known to his brothers and they became very sober and were eventually brought into abundance in food supply, so also will Jesus make himself known to the Jews.
I love Mike's analogies!! "Pride is like a really bad toot...other people know it's there but you don't" So many great catch phrases!!
An understanding of the Old Testament will help to understand the background of what the New Testament writers said and wrote. In the Old Testament are references from other parts of the Old Testament
Quotes may be used in four basic ways
1. A direct quote from a variety of Greek Old Testament texts or direct quotes from a variety of Hebrew texts. The Septuagint (LXX) was translated from 250BC to 50BC and some of the other books were added after that. The Masoretic Text (MT) was compiled from several Hebrew texts from 500 AD to 1000 AD
2. An allusion eg. Micah 5:2
3. A summary eg. Ezra 9:10-12
4. An application of another text - Matthew 2:16-18; Jeremiah 31:15
I take it you don't understand the verse saying there is no difference between Jew or gentile People are either Christion or of the world. There is no Jew. Jewish fleshiness faded away between Jesus and 70 AD, That was the transformation period from Old to New Testament. The old testament was all about Jesus and not about Jews. And all has been fulfilled by Jesus in the old testament. The people calling themselves Jews today will not fulfill anything or be used to fulfill the Old testament.
sounds like replacement theology, to me....
@@philipbuckley759yup
Pastor Mike I must say I I have really liked your videos. However I believe you have overlooked the word “Israel”. You have done the exact very thing you have warned in this video of what not to do.
Example: When we type Israel this 😳👉🇮🇱 will appear. Or Judaism this 😳👉✡️ will appear. Both of these symbols are pagan and are NOT of the God of Abraham but are symbols used to honor and worship Moloch or Baal. My point is Israel of the New Testament is “SPIRITUAL” and is ALL who take Jesus Christ as messiah and are OBEDIENT to Gods commandments and stand in His shadow. This 🇮🇱✡️♉️☠️🖤 this is Literal or “TEMPORAL” Israel. As well Abraham’s seed is as the dust of the earth and was scattered and is like counting the sand on the beach. I truly feel this is a stumbling block not to understand to those that look to temporal Israel as anything. For in Heaven there is no man or woman, Greek nor Jew, only children of God. To say it any other way frankly is not walking in Gods truth and being blinded by mans interpretation or traditions. For it is a New Jerusalem that will be brought down to Earth and we that are counted will make up spiritual Israel and temporal Israel will be crushed like chaff on the threshing floor and permanently erased from the presence of God.
What are you talking about
One must ask themselves, "if" the Jews had not rejected their King when He came to them, would outcomes have rolled out a bit differently? I believe the answer is a resounding "yes", and I also believe that through the prophets such as Ezekiel, God let the Jews know exactly what would happen "if" they had gotten it right at the first coming of Messiah. Preceding the description of the temple and all the splendor of the King's entrance in the Book of Ezekiel there is indeed that little word "if". Ezekiel is told to give them the instructions for the temple "if".... Why do modern theologians just ignore the "if" and pretend like everything written will come to pass as "if" the "if" weren't there at all?
This being said, I do think that when Christ appears in the heavens, many of the Jews (now having the opportunity to "see" and believe as did Thomas) "if" they fall to their knees in mourning and repentance instead of running to the rocks in order to be hidden from the face of God, will be saved. In God's grace I believe there will be a pause in the wrath and judgment he is ready to inflict on an unbelieving world in order for the fullness of the Jews to come in. The blinders will be truly off at this time. We cannot ignore the words in Revelation which call the physical state of Jerusalem as "Sodom and Egypt", ascribes Satan to their synagogues and accuses them of mislabeling themselves as Jews. After all, It will be a NEW Jerusalem coming down from heaven after all, not the earthly Jerusalem we see today.
What about the Book of Isaiah.
Blinding is just leaving them in their flesh.
Mijn naam is Johan Schep en met vreugde heb ik de boodschap beluisterd. Zelf ben ik in 1974 tot persoonlijk geloof gekomen in Israël. Mijn moeder had mijn Bijbeltje in mijn rugzak gedaan. Daarna heb ik de Heere Jezus 33 jaar intensief met evangelisatie in Israël gediend en enkele Joodse mensen ook tot geloof zien komen. Allen Gods rijke zegen gewenst.
johan Schep
9 months ago
My name is Johan Schep and with joy I listened to the message. I myself came to personal faith in Israel in 1974. My mother had put my Bible in my backpack. Then I served the Lord Jesus intensively with evangelization in Israel for 33 years and saw some Jewish people also come to faith. All wish God's rich blessing.
if you have been to Israel you probably are fluent in English.....
Love you Mike... FYI that Bowtie is ultra nerd.... Lol...I keep waiting for you to break out in song with two other guys popping up in barber shop trio📣🎶🎼🎤
LOL 😂 LA LA LA laaaaa
You need need a pocket protector for top pocket with some pens and pencils... Lol... 😂 😂...just kidding brother... Couldn't resist, but don't let the haters even distract you... You are doing a great job!!!
Bow ties are cool
Hahaha! I was surprised to see the bowtie too but Mike wears it well. He gives it the 'cool factor'!!
Mike Winger.... can you please check out this brother's 3 pt. Videos about the duality of prophecy. And the coming of the 3re Elijah?
Type,: "the Third Elijah, The Final Elijah".
They have a lot to teach us???? Either you have NOT read what they teach or you're a hireling.. that comment is as unwise as someone saying the Mormons have a lot to teach us bc they have Jesus Christ in their title... The Mormon's Jesus is as close to the New Testament as Judaism's teachings are to the Old Testament... Mormonism is defined by the Book of Mormon and non-biblical peripheral teachings EXACTLY as Judaism is defined by the Talmud and non-biblical peripheral teachings.
inTruthbyGrace from what I saw I believe he was saying that Messianic Jews who have accepted Christ can teach us a lot about the old testament. Just a thought from my perspective
"To them belong the father's and the covenants". A far cry from Mormonism. Bad logic.
It's not about what they teach or their rejection of the Messiah. The Jewish people have an eternal covenant with GOD, the GOD of Israel due to the promise He made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. GOD is faithful to that promise. Read Romans chapters 9, 10 and 11. There will always be Jewish people who are
lost. This should sadden the heart of any Christian because they are beloved by the Lord for the sake of the forefathers. (Romans 11.28)
antisemite
I think the blinders have been taken off their eye because Paul was talking to the people to time he was living. At that time they were blinded. They kept the people from really seeing that Jesus died for them. A portion of them have read Isaiah 53 and have come to know the lord.
Zechariah 12.10 10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
What is this all about...
@@philipbuckley759 The Apostle John saw the fulfillment of Zech. 12:10 when Christ was "pierced" at Calvary in the verse below.
Joh 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
Was the Spirit poured out in Jerusalem just a few weeks later on the Day of Pentecost?
Why did Peter address the crowd as "all the house of Israel", when about 3,000 Israelites were "cut to the heart" and accepted Christ?
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
I like how the Bible says that the Jews and Gentiles will be grafted in together.
Hey Mike, thanks for these videos! Do you have a video or resource that speaks of the origin of who the “Jews” are or where the term “Jew” comes from. I hear a variety of arguments as to who the Israelites are and whether the “Jews” are actually descendants of Israelites. I hope that makes sense. GOD bless.
if you have access to the net, anywhere in the world you have access to this inforation.....try some research.....
I can answer this for you (even though it's 1 yr later, better late then never). The term "Jew" is a shortened version of "Judah", one of the 12 tribes of Israel. After Solomon passed, in 932 BC the kingdom of Israel was split between Judah in the south and all of the other tribes in the north. 200 yrs later in 732 BC, Assyria carried away the larger number of the tribes in Samaria which is north of Judah's territory, into captivity. Most of the tribe of Benjamin and a smaller number of refugees from the other tribes fled south before Samaria fell and settled in the area which the tribe of Judah dominated, which includes Jerusalem. The Assyrians forced the captives they removed from the north to intermarry with other non Israelite peoples and then brought them back into Samaria and resettled them. They became known as the "Samaritans". As time went on, those Israelites who had fled south before Samaria fell, along with those from the tribe of Judah ALL became known as "Jews" and the region around Jerusalem became known as "Judea", even though not all were from the tribe of Judah. So ALL were descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob but not all were from the tribe of Judah, even though they all became known as Jews. In the years between 732 BC and the first century AD, there were descendants of the other tribes (Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali etc.) who gradually moved back up into the Galilee region which is above Samaria. By the time the New Testament was written, there were descendants from all 12 tribes of Israel living in Judea and in Galilee in the north and throughout the Roman empire (James 1:1). This explains the curious usage of the term "the Jews" all throughout the Gospels. Yeshua, His disciples, the Pharisees, Sadducees and all the other religious sects of the people of Israel at the time, were all generically referred to as "Jews" by outsiders like the Romans but within the nation of Israel, there was also a distinct usage of the term "Jew" which referred to the religious leaders of JUDEA / Jerusalem where the Temple was located. It's kind of like in the United States where the rest of the world refers to us as "Americans" but internally we might say "oh, he's a "Southerner" or how Southerners used to refer to Northerners as "Yankees" while people outside the U.S. referred to all Americans as "Yankees". So whenever you see the word "the Jews" being used in the Gospels, in most cases it is appropriate to substitute it with "Judeans" as there was a tension between the Judeans vs those descendants of the 12 tribes other than Judah, who lived in Galilee over how Judaism was to be practiced. After the Temple was destroyed and the Pharisees' version of Judaism became monolithic, the generic term "Jew" was applied to ALL descendants of the 12 tribes, even though not all are from the tribe of Judah; e.g. Jews with the last name "Levine" or "Cohen" are mostly descendants of the tribe of Levi.
@@GTX1123 Nice.
the big question is why do the translations have so many....issues....
I've heard that the jews are forbidden to read some parts of the bible, like the last book of Isiah describing the messiah, or parts in Daniël where you can actually calculate when Jesus would come. Is this true?
Secondly, if the jews returning to the geographical land of Isreal is indeed a fulfillment of prophecy, immagine this is being done without their veil being lifted, is it still a prophecy fulfilled?
The problem is, is that God did not return them, it was men, Zionist Jews.
It would be scary to be a Gentile judging a Jewish person or anyone else. That's an easy way to commit Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
The Apostle Paul used the Olive Tree as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of both believing Israelite branches, and believing Gentile branches grafted together into the same tree. Paul provides no path to salvation outside of the Olive Tree Church, in this passage.
All of the Israelites are not blinded. Some are blinded, and some are not blinded. This is confirmed by the "remnant" in Romans 11:5.
Jesus Christ is the ultimate fulfillment of Israel, found in Matthew 1:1. This is confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16. On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36. Who was Peter talking to? James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren", in the "faith", in James 1:1-3. Who was James talking to? Has the Church as a whole ever been a "Gentile Church"?
Therefore, how can you separate faithful Israel from the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ?
Starting in Romans 11:1-5 there are two different groups of Israelites throughout this chapter. One group makes up the "remnant" of Israelites who remain faithful to God's plan, and like the Baal worshippers the others turn from God. Some of us cannot tell the difference between the two groups.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
If you think God has a plan for the modern State of Israel outside of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ, you need to read your Bible again with the New Covenant in mind. Is the covenant in Romans 11:27 a future covenant with the modern State of Israel, or is it the New Covenant fulfilled for all race of people at Calvary?
Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-
Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.
Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH-
Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Amen
Great teaching as usual but vs 20 I think you dudge the issue. Vs 20 to 24 is talking about loosing salvation this is a subject a lot of people have issues with because they think somehow there is no assurance of salvation which couldn't be further from the truth. If we do this 4 verses as you always ask us to do reading in context that is the point Israel cut out because of unbelief Paul is warning us to not boost but fear why fear? Because we too can be cut out because of unbelief. I don't know why people think this is so impossible when you go through scripture this is a thread that runs through. If we can choose to believe which is not a work but something that MUST be done to receive salvation why can't we choose to unbelieve? If I can receive something I can give it back or turn my back on that gift. Even Paul has given us examples of people in his day who did just that. Demas ended up choosing the world over the Christian faith, some in1 timothy made shipwreck their faith. To say that phrase means anything other than that is to take it out if context. Loosing salvation is not a sin thing this is where a lot of people have made the error it's a believing thing, a faith thing. Sin has something to do with it but it's not the center of what causes anyone to loose their salvation. Paul kep warning the church over and over about sin why? Sin can go so far as to mess up ones faith. If sin could not affect us to the point of unbelief I don't think the apostle Paul and james, John , Peter and the rest would spend so much time warning us about it. The point is people can choose. There is no place in scripture that says the choice you start with is the choice you will end with, rather we are admonished to keep on believing, to walk in the spirit etc none of that is necessary if when we believe we stayed that way no matter what. We can choose to give up the Christian faith tribulation, persecution, peril ,the glamour or riches of the world etc are reasons people have done just that. The only way we can never loose our salvation no matter what is if calvinism is true. And biblically it is not. Do not shy away from what the Bible is teaching here. If Israel who are God chosen people, the apple of his eyes, who were given the adoptions, the glory, the law and services, the promises ect came to the point where they don't believe in him, what is to say that we though elected, also given promises that we can't come to the same point? And I think that is exactly Pauls point in rom 11:20-24 if the natural branches can be cut off so too we gentiles if we don't keep believing will be cut off as well. We had a pastor dedicated man of God years in ministry preaching the gospel living the Christian life, about 15 yrs ago he lost his wife and two children in a plane crash, he was never the same. That tragedy greatly affected him. He gave up ministry and it wasn't immediate but gradually, it came to the point where he was in church just because it was something he was used to doing on a sunday. I look at him today and it's so sad, now I don't know if he will turn back to God as before or stronger than before, I pray he does. It happens more often than we like to admit but it does happen. We can give up our faith
People run into problems when they equate Israel the religion and Israel the ethnicity with Israel the political entity. God promised the NATION OF ISRAEL that He would destroy them for their unbelief and scatter their ethnicity into all the other peoples and nations of the world. When Christ died the veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom, signifying that the separation between all ethnicities were joined by the perfect sacrifice of Christ.
Mike my brother you never discussed 11:22 & 23 the verses Im actually struggling with.....haaaa!!😩
I agree that verse 7 is referring to Israelites but I don't see how that suggests it's not entirely consistent with Calvinist theology. Paul also covers ingrafting; how there is a remnant from Israel and a new 'remnant' being combined with the first taken from among the Gentiles who are being blessed through the Seed of Abraham.
Paul specifying the Israelite remnant here, ie those brethren we call Messianic Jews today, doesn't change the fact that God sovereignly decrees that while all of them are seeking only some have obtained, as God elects, and others have been 'blinded'.
This is echoing the potter metaphor and just happens to be applying the teaching to Jews in particular, but that in no way makes this use of 'elect' merely an Oxford Dictionary version of the term without theological implications. In fact we should always understand the terms in relation to their use, not necessarily our perceptions of words from a modern context. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of understanding.
Interestingly, the word 'poroo' that is used for 'blinded' literally just means hardened, which we've seen in Romans already and is used in other parts of the Bible to mean hardened in parallel with blinded also being mentioned.
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A Prince approached the East Gate and unlocked it with the Scriptures, that's what happen in the spirit of Elijah.. Only George saw it and understood.. Read the Scriptures, He was aloud to inter once, this scripture is not talking about Jesus, but is the End time Prophet, that Nick has been teaching on..... Let us not Race ahead of ourselves Mike, kind regards
Did David not foresee, they wouldn't believe
Hello Mike
Part 3
Now the 144.000 are only the firstborns , probably calles so because they are the first that were chosen but salvation is not limited to 144.000 people :
after the law was erased , there was no distinction anymore between gentiles and jews :acts 17 explaining this:
And he made out of one [man]+ every nation+ of men, to dwell upon the entire surface of the earth,+ and he decreed the appointed times+ and the set limits of the dwelling of [men],+ 27 for them to seek God,+ if they might grope for him and really find him,+ although, in fact, he is not far off from each one of us.
34 At this Peter opened his mouth and said: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial,+ 35 but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.+ 36 He sent out the word+ to the sons of Israel to declare to them the good news of peace+ through Jesus Christ: this One is Lord of all [others].(acts 10)......but they also did away with him by hanging him on a stake.(vers 39)
after this the first gentiles were babtised .
in fact there came to be so many followers that there became more than 144000 : what did that mean?
There was going to be on earth (also by resurrection from the dead) a multitude of people who will live in Gods kingdom under the 144001 kings and priests:
After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd,+ which no man was able to number, out of all nations*+ and tribes and peoples+ and tongues,+ standing before the throne+ and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches+ in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation* [we owe] to our God,+ who is seated on the throne,+ and to the Lamb.”+(rev 7)
so the means for salvation was from the jews but not from those who are jews in the flesh but from the spiritual jews:
Romans 2:29
29 But he is a Jew who is one on the inside,+ and [his] circumcision is that of the heart+ by spirit, and not by a written code.+ The praise+ of that one comes, not from men, but from God.+
Romans 9:6
6 However, it is not as though the word of God had failed.+ For not all who [spring] from Israel are really “Israel.”+
Galatians 6:16
16 And all those who will walk orderly by this rule of conduct,* upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel* of God.+
The law was never erased. The law should be in the heart of every believer. We live in a lawless time where people disregard the Commandments of Yahweh. The Messiah came to return the lost sheep of Israel out back to Torah
The best part of this video is the bowtie well actually the whole video is pretty good, but the bowtie is the cherry on top. If you know you know.
Why is it taking you so long to get to the point
where was his Greek coming from?????
In an age of increased anti-Semitism, this is a fantastic reminder to pray for Israel and to stand by the Jewish people. Thanks Mike.
I will pray for all people. Pray for the wicked that they repent.
Can you make a video on the current and ongoing Israel/Palestine conflict? I'm troubled, because I'm stuck between supporting Israel because we believe God does, but at the same time seeing the problems with the Palestinians... so I'm like ok, a simpleton would say "yea but hamas", but if you are honest, this is an alternating blame game.
Many prophets, and even John the Baptist and Jesus called out the sinfulness of the Israelites. We have a respinsibility to call israel out, not in condemnation, but in love, and to call them to restore their broken relationship with God the Father by guiding them to the narrow gate, which is God the Son.
I feel a sense of impending doom
Where I struggle is why the Bible often says no difference in Jew or Gentile Also seems even in the old testament it seems That salvation was from grace case and point David, So based on scripture seems the only salvation now is through Christ as a Christian, On the other Hand here they are in hte land, But then again those in the land are far from believing many are atheist in fact. Also, there is Scripture in rev that includes Israel or Jews, I just don't think it is exactly as dispensationalist teach or Covent theology teach but somehow something in between
I do wish I had someone to really speak with on this that are not only knowledgeable but also not so blinded by man's doctrine but can show truth based on biblical knowledge without man's paybook So far the only person I have heard I would speak with about it is Pastor Mike though I don't see a way to contact him
Modern day Israel has nothing whatsoever to do with Bible prophecy. Jesus adamantly declared that the kingdom of God would be taken away from the Jews in A.D. 70.
43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.” 45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them. (Matthew 21:43-45)
The nation that the kingdom of God was given to is the church consisting of all believers. Speaking to believers in the first century, Peter said:
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; (1Peter 2:9)
There is no longer any distinction between Jews and Gentiles.
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. (Romans 10:12)
The true Israel today is the church, not the nation of Israel formed in 1948. Salvation is covenantal/spiritual, not physical/literal.
Israel is God's people governed by the Shepherd from Bethlehem (Micah 5:2 and Matt 2:6) That Shepherd is Jesus Christ, not Bengurion or Sabbatai Zevi... Matt 21:43-45 is clear... Israel is God's people who must be _born-again_ and nations are all under sin. It has never been the blood of Jacob that defined Israel but the blood of the lamb from in Exodus 12- Rev 22.. in fact Jacob's blood did not constitute _Israel_ until the title name was deposited on him by God. No one has been able to _honestly_ identify themselves as being of the tribe of Judah for over 1900y, to insist on that distinction without any documentary evidence is a lie that is rebuked 2x by Our Lord Jesus Christ in Rev 2:9 and 3:9... Israel has always been a peculiar people of God, marked by FAITH in the blood of the LAMB... NOT the blood of Jacob.
Plus: Matt 15:22-28 Jesus would NEVER have been able to heal a daughter of a woman of _Canaan_ if being of Israel pertained to nationhood or biological relation to Jacob bc He came not BUT for the _lost sheep of Israel_ and Canaan, is not Israel.. yet He heals her... why? Because she worships Him and compares herself to a dog at her *_master's table_* .. by submitting to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and _worshiping_ Jesus, she became a "lost sheep of Israel" being grafted-in right there... using any other definition of Israel than Micah 5:2 and Matt 2:6, Jesus would not have been able to heal her daughter.
You are wrong! Israel is still the blood descendants of Jacob who are still scattered throughout the earth til this very day. The gentiles in Israel are those that say they are jews but are not. However, in this dispensation Israel has lost their privileged positiin with God and the church (consisting of jew and gentile) has recieved it. So all jews and gentiles in Christ are equal. But Paul makes it clear that this dispensation will cime to an end. (Romans 11:1-2, 11-12, 25) Once the periid of time that God has allotted for gentiles to partake in Israel's blessings is complete the Church will be raptured. God will then fulfill (Isaiah 14:1) He will have compassiin on Jacob and and again choose Israel.
Who was Deuteronomy 7:6 (speaking of 'chosen people') spoken to? Deuteronomy 6:3-4 reveals it was spoken to Israel. At that time, Israel consisted of all those that came out of Egypt with Moses (see Deuteronomy 7:8). A very similar verse is Deuteronomy 14:2. In 1 Chronicles 16:13, Israel is called "His chosen ones": David wrote Psalm 33:12; 105:6, 43. And Isaiah records these words from the Lord: Isaiah 41:8-9; 43:10,20; 44:1. In Isaiah 48:12, the Lord refers to them as "My called." And Daniel calls them "His chosen people" (Daniel 11:15).
From the above, it can be seen that the phrase, "chosen people" definitely applied to Israel. But, what was the composition of Old Testament Israel? According to the Bible, Israel was made up of: 1) the descendants of Jacob (Exodus 1:1; Joshua 13:6, etc.), and, 2) those who joined Israel through circumcision and keeping the law (Exodus 12:48ff).
Keeping the covenant was a requirement for all those who wished to remain a part of Israel (Genesis 17:14, Exodus 12:15,19; 30:32,38; 31:14; Leviticus 7:20-21, 25,27; 17:4,9-10, 14; 18:29; 19:8; and Numbers 15:30-31). These Scriptures, and many others, show that membership in the nation of Israel was dependent on obedience to God's commandments. To disobey God was to lose one's citizenship.
When most people think of Old Testament Israel, they think exclusively in terms of Israel as a nation. Yet, this is not the true Biblical meaning of "Israel". The name "Israel" has always had a twofold significance: one national, and the other religious. For example Exodus 19:6 and Amos 9:11-12 proclaims that the remnant of Israel would be largely an entity of religious instead of national destination. Isaiah says much the same thing (Isaiah 56:7-8).
The primary meaning of "Israel" in the Old Testament stands for the religious covenant community, the people who worship God in truth and Spirit. Secondarily, it denotes a distinct ethnic group or nation which is called to become spiritual Israel. Decisive for the Old Testament prophets and their prophecies is the theological quality of the 'people of God,' not their ethnic and political characteristics.
Contrary to the claims of Hal Lindsey, and other dispensational authors (Charles Ryrie, etc.), the blessing of Israel's election was not unconditional. When the election service is withheld, the election loses its meaning, and therefore fails. .If Israel ceased to acknowledge God to be her Lord, then she declared that she no longer wished to be His people. Her high calling to be the 'Chosen People' was not the mark of Divine indulgence or favoritism, but a summons to a task exacting and unceasing, and election and task were so closely bound together that she could not have one without the other."
Did Old Testament Israel lose her election? As Paul would say, "God forbid!" The Old Testament prophesied in many places that a "remnant" would be saved. The question is: Of whom was this remnant to consist? According to Jeremiah 31:31-34, the remnant would be made up of those who "know the Lord," and whose sins would be forgiven completely (unlike under the Old Covenant - Hebrews 10:1-4). This was to be made possible through the initiation of a "new covenant." This New Covenant (or "Testament" -KJV) was ratified by Jesus at His crucifixion, shown to His disciples in symbolic form in the Last Supper (Matthew 26:28, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20, 1 Corinthians 11:25).
Is New Testament Israel any different from Old Testament Israel? The Israel of the New Covenant is made up of 1) those descendants of Jacob who believed in the Messiah (Matthew 10:6; 15:24; Acts 2:36-41; 21:20, etc.), and, 2) those who joined Israel through spiritual circumcision and the keeping of the new "law" (Romans 2:28-29; 13:10; 1 Timothy 1:5).
With the establishment of the New Covenant, physical descent was no longer a determining factor for entrance into Israel. Only those who believed in the Messiah could enter or remain a part of Israel. Let us examine what the Bible has to say on the subject in Jeremiah 11:16. Verse 17 says this was directed to "the house of Israel, and the house of Judah." Read what Hosea says of Israel in Hosea 14:6.
Paul picks up the olive tree motif in Romans 11:17-24. He says those Jews who rejected the Messiah were themselves rejected and "broken off" (or cut off, to use the Old Testament term) from the "olive tree" of Israel (verse 20). The apostle showed that the only possible way to remain a citizen of Israel was to believe in Jesus as Messiah. This citizenship was also offered to the Gentiles on the same condition. If they would put their faith in the Messiah of Israel, they would be made fellow citizens of Israel (Ephesians 2:19). Christ created His church, not beside Israel, but as the faithful remnant of Israel that inherits the covenant promises and responsibilities. Christ's church is not separated from the Israel of God, only from the Christ-rejecting Jewish nation.
The identification of the church with Israel is explicit in Peter's first epistle (1 Peter 2:9). Here, Peter definitively states that those who "believe" in Christ Jesus (1 Peter 2:7) were the "chosen race" and the "holy nation" (1 Peter 2:9; compare Exodus 19:6; Deuteronomy 7:6; and 14:2). Only in Christ could Israel as a nation have remained the true covenant people of God. God's covenant people are no longer distinguished by racial or territorial characteristics, but exclusively by their faith in Christ. And the land we have inherited is a spiritual one. The spiritual blessings of citizenship in the Israel of God are ours as servants of Christ, but what of the "unconditional" land promises of the so-called "Palestinian Covenant"?
JamesLJesus, the Old Testament God cannot lie. He promises Israel, the Land. He repeats this promise over and over again, and talks about his people being scattered over the earth and being mistreated by the Nations. History bears that out. The Jews were one of the most persecuted people and were exiled in the Nations. In fact Amos says the following "I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them," says the LORD your God." So the very Nation that was UPROOTED from that Land, will be the Nation that is planted in the Land again. It can't be "the Church" as it was never UPROOTED from that Land in the context of what Amos is talking about.
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So if I’m 1/8 Jewish and I come from Jacob then why do I need to believe? How does anyone know if they come from Israel? The Bible tells us not to get wrapped up in genealogy
Under the new covenant that Jesus brought us There is no longer jew or gentile. God is not a respecter of people. You must be circumcised inwardly of the heart and have no confidence in the flesh. Underlying theme even in Romans 11 is you must trust and believe in Jesus no matter who you are. If you don’t have the Son then you don’t have the Father.
The Root is Yeshua, who feeds the two Olive Trees (in the New Kingdom); the refined tree Judah and the other Wild Olive Tree Israel (10 lost tribes). Ezekiel 37 relates to Romans 11.
First of all they didn't get salvation the Jews in general because they were given their King Jesus Christ but when he came unto his own his own received him not They Crucified him according to Luke 13:7 God gave his real a one-year extension of Mercy at the beginning of that one year Peter James and John and the rest of the Apostles Minister the gospel of the Kingdom because there was a physical Kingdom given to Israel but Israel stumbled at the stoning of Stephen then God called on Saul of Tarsus and gave him a revelation a mystery that was hit in God since before the foundation of the world and revealed it to him this is called the gospel of the grace of God which was not known in their ages you have to understand this Peter preach the gospel of the Kingdom in order to be saved in that gospel you had to get physically baptized in water you had to repent and endure till the end and you had to sell everything that you owned in order to be saved it is not the same thing as today with Paul Paul preached faith alone without works. They're not the same gospel to say they are the same is a heresy there is a dispensation here according to scripture Doctrine is very clear on it
can you talk about 7 days Adventist, are they orthodox Protestant and as they claimed is the only remnant true church.
I was a member of the SDA Church for 3 1/2 years. 7th day Adventism as expressed in their documented fundamental beliefs is a heretic cult no different than JWs and LDSs. Best case scenario for a SDA is that they accept some doctrines and reject others making them heterodox but its a dangerous line between their heterodoxy and damnable heresy. I would be extremely careful before affirming a SDA as a brother or sister in Christ.
@@CC-ee7bj Col. 2: 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
@@CC-ee7bj agreed!!! Was SDA too for 27 years until I learned the true gospel 2 years ago
I appreciate the teaching but you are mixing term Jewish and Israel or Israelite as synonymous. HEB 8:8 and Jer 31 31 are among thousands of references that there is house of Judah and separately house of Israel so you can't have a Judean, Jew, who is house of Israel. Abraham was not a Jew..he was Hebrew. Hebrew does not mean Jew. Jewish people now don't speak Hebrew they speak Yiddish. If you want to get the real picture come on out to Brooklyn and we will get it all very clear within minutes. Your language is either very ignorant of theae terms or very deceptive. This is no small issue as Jesus himself warns us about fake Jews in Rev twice. In fact it is only the two churches that realize they are living amongst fake Jews who are not criticized. Food for thought.
Are you helping people to call on the name of the Almighty or hindering them?
Psalm 150:6
.Every breathing thing-let it praise Jah. Praise Jah.
The elect have obtained it the elect in this case are talking about the little flock Peters group it's not talking about the body of Christ
Mike, here’s some bad theology my brain is choosing to take out of the text: (However, it seems logical to my own reasoning. Please humor my thoughts.)
If we (the gentiles) we’re brought in because the unbelief of the Jews caused them to be cut off, then it sounds as if salvation had a max quota. Someone may say “There’s room for X many people to be saved. The Jews that have rejected have been removed. Now there’s room now for the gentiles to come. And, if the Jews didn’t reject, there wouldn’t have been room for the gentiles.” This wouldn’t be saying individuals couldn’t come in, as we see part of Egypt followed the Jews out of Egypt. It’s a big picture statement.
I feel needs to be reconciled with in my brain: why can’t we say this?
I know this isn’t true, but how do we support a biblical view. I can know something’s wrong, but not know how to biblically reject these ideas that my brain is coming up with. Specifically, how can we say this specific text isn’t saying this?
Since this isn’t true, why does Paul use this analogy? Why do the Jews then need to reject in order for the gentiles to come in.
If it is true, how can we reconcile this with knowing that God wants everyone to come to salvation, and God has the power to do anything and therefore can make enough room in heaven for everyone. Jesus prepares many rooms for us, why is this power to prepare rooms limited?
@josephlachh I don’t think it’s that there wasn’t room, I think there wasn’t need. Romans says their disbelief is what made salvation available to the gentiles, for the purpose of making the unbelievers envious and want what the gentiles had. It doesn’t (to me) imply there isn’t enough room. I would suppose God isn’t worried about limited space.
@@kaykay9458 Well in this case: “there wasn’t need” makes it seem like God didn’t care about the gentiles, he doesn’t need them. But when the Jews reject him, okay now let’s get the gentiles to make the Jews jealous. That’s what it sounds like.
Wouldnt Roman's 11.11 & 11.14 refute calvinism? If it's not our choice, then why make israel jealous?
Mike, i actually think you miss something. You say blindness in part proves no total depravity. Why? Are jews treated the same? All are concluded under sin, but the jews have an ADDITIONAL blindness. This makes their restoration life from the dead, indeed
Wishing for you to rexamine calvinism, 😊
Btwy, totally agree with your take on Gods irrevocable promises to ethnic Israel. Dispensations good.
If the tree represents Israel, and we have been grafted into the tree, we are part of Israel. If the branches that were broken off are unbelieving Jews, then they aren’t part of Israel. It’s pretty straightforward.
Not simple as you say. In this way all of Israel will be saved is not talking about the church it is talking about Israel as a nation. All 12 tribes will be saved but only once they turn to Jesus and say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord
@mrseph007 There are no ethnic israrelities today, unless you think Samritans were Jews.
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I’m a bit disappointed with Pastor Mikes effort to explain this text , he tried everything to lesson the meaning of , “ the elect obtained it. God chose them, please acknowledge that and emphasize everything in the text instead of focusing on other parts to minimize the parts that offend our emotions
The "Elect" is the 144,000.
No the table that was made a snare for Israel east side of the Tabernacle that they moved around in the wilderness there was a table with a Candlestick on it with a bunch of so-called holy artifacts that sat on top of it the table was the representation of the law let their eyes be darkened their table was made a snare meaning they're putting themselves under the law which is there table to this day Israel thinks they're under the law It also says they shall bow down their back all the way all the way is a set. Of time it doesn't say all the ways to say all the ways is a fixed time that is permanent it's not always it's all the way and the only Bible you will find with the term all the way is a KJV Bible
I don't think you understand some of the doctrines of grace. Total depravity does not mean that we are all as depraved as can be, or that we are all as bad as each other when it comes to how much evil we commit throughout our lives... What it really means is that we are all sinners. The word total refers to the world in its entirety. We are all born in sin, as it says in the Bible.
+Francisco Guerrero if that is really all that total depravity means then I totally agree with it and affirm it. However, I do think it means a lot more than that.
Branches refers to individuals not "groups" of people as a whole. God never casts away groups of people as a whole, natural Israel is a perfect example of this! God has not cast away His people, but individuals who are unbelieving get broken off the tree. The tree represent spiritual Israel(Jeremiah 11). Individuals are either grafted into it or broken off based on the individual's faith. We can deny the faith, err in the faith, stray from the faith. Scripture warns us repeatedly which is why we need to continue in His goodness! We have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end.
Mike, it was apparent in the video with your body language that as you approached these passages of scripture that you were uncomfortable. Please Im pleading with you in love and earnest desire for truth to be taught that you seek the scriptures and the wisdom from God to rightly divide His Word. God is not referring to branches as groups, and this type of misinterpretation is because you have a preconceived theological position of eternal security that forces you to misinterpret the plain teaching of scripture in Romans 11. Study to show yourself approved and repent from this error now before you stand before Him and give account for the lives you are deceiving by not teaching the truth. It is the truth that sets us free!
I truly appreciate your teachings and I know God will show the truth in regards to eternal security as well as the other truths He has shown you. Praying for you brother.
I don't understand why people choose to see the scriptures through the lens of their pet doctrines either. These pet doctrines are often based on human understanding of verses that are impossible to understand without divine revelation. Then these theologians use their flawed understanding of the trickiest scriptures to interpret the rest of scripture that would otherwise be clear and straight forward. I think it comes from the misplaced trust in men with so called higher learning. When will people realize what evil has infiltrated christian seminaries?
There is no such thing as Calvinism, it never should have become a thing. Just read the Bible.
You said they have a spirit of stupor which version of the Bible are you reading out of are you reading out of a version that comes from the alexandrian text which comes from Egypt or are you reading from the Hebrew and the Greek which is the Texas receptus which is the word of God which is the KJV Bible which one are you reading from because that word stupor does not show up in the King James Bible
Mine has it it is an ESV
For me its really simple. The plan of Salvation is the same for Jew, gentile, Muslim, Buddahist etc etc. Hear the word, believe, confess, repent, and be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Unless one does that they are surely going to burn in hell for eternity. I used to get confused listening to different teachings until I realized that there is only one way and that way is within the body of Christ and plan of Salvation as layed out in the Bible. Geo politics aside. Jesus is the Savior and unless a person accepts him they are not saved or have a chance of being saved. Israel is a geo political country. Has absolutely nothing to do with salvation. Jesus will bring down a New Jerusalem.
see John 3:16 for the necessary way to salvation.
There is no such thing as people burning forever in Eternal conscious torment. Hell just means the grave
Hello Mike
Part end
Paul stresses the importance of faith ( by the lack thereof the majority of jews were broken of the tree)
13 Now I speak to YOU who are people of the nations. Forasmuch as I am, in reality, an apostle+ to the nations,+ I glorify+ my ministry,+ 14 if I may by any means incite [those who are] my own flesh to jealousy and save+ some from among them.+ 15 For if the casting of them away+ means reconciliation+ for the world, what will the receiving of them mean but life from the dead? 16 Further, if the [part taken as] firstfruits+ is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy,+ the branches are also.
17 However, if some of the branches were broken off but you, although being a wild olive, were grafted in among them+ and became a sharer of the olive’s+ root of fatness,+ 18 do not be exulting over the branches. If, though, you are exulting over them,+ it is not you that bear the root,+ but the root [bears] you.+ 19 You will say, then: “Branches were broken off+ that I might be grafted in.”+ 20 All right! For [their] lack of faith+ they were broken off, but you are standing by faith.+ Quit having lofty ideas,+ but be in fear.+ 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.+ 22 See, therefore, God’s kindness+ and severity.+ Toward those who fell there is severity,+ but toward you there is God’s kindness, provided you remain+ in his kindness; otherwise, you also will be lopped off.+ 23 They also, if they do not remain in their lack of faith, will be grafted in;+ for God is able to graft them in again.
Hello Mike ,
PART 1
again you point at Israel and start with the "elephant in the room" : all of Israel is no longer Gods people JUST A REMNANT.
God did not reject the Israelites all of them but ONLY THOSE THAT BELIEVED AND ACCEPTED JESUS were to be accepted by God .
Not the works of the law of Moses was saving the Israelites but FAITH COMBINED WITH WORKS made the differences.
The law was erased and no longer made the difference:
col 2:
13 Furthermore, though YOU were dead in YOUR trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of YOUR flesh, [God]* made YOU alive together with him.+ He kindly forgave us all our trespasses+ 14 and blotted+ out* the handwritten document*+ against us, which consisted of decrees+ and which was in opposition to us;+ and He has taken it out of the way by nailing+ it to the torture stake.
So now Israelites and pagans had to prove their faith in their hearts and by obeying the commands of Jesus:
And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority*+ has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples*+ of people of all the nations,+ baptizing+ them in* the name of the Father+ and of the Son+ and of the holy spirit,+ 20 teaching+ them to observe+ all the things I have commanded YOU.
Matthew 28
teaching them ALL THE THINGS I HAVE COMMENDED YOU.
STILL MIKE YOU DISTRACT YOUR LISTENERS BY SAYING THAT THE WRONG FOLLOWERS WERE LOOKING FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS BY WORKS , CONDEMNING THOSE THAT WORK OUT OF FAITH.BUT IT IS RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH SHOWN BY WORKS
Don't like people going back to the Greek, when we have the King James bible
In the King James New Testament, the Greek words “ethnos” and “ethne” are translated gentiles 93 times, nation(s) 64 times, heathen(s) 5 times, people(s) 2 times and Greek 1 time. Not once is ethnos or ethne translated non-Jew or non-Israelite.
Because most people think that the Jews in the Bible represent all twelve tribes of Israel, they inevitably jump to the unwarranted conclusion that the term “gentiles,” especially when used in contrast with the term “Jews,” refers exclusively to non-Israelites.
This is sad to whitness, this is what happens when you abandon yourself, reason and logic, and give authority over yourself to a book; doesn't matter wich book or "revelation".
First of all, if there is a "higher being" and it's good and even it send us a "book", such a higher existence won't get mad at us for lest say, test it, ask for proof, doubt, not undertand or understand it wronge,...
To even go and say such higher being would make such book to be ONLY understood trough "faith" or something equally SUBJECTIVE is not only dangerous, it's stupid.
While Jesus was here, he never resorted to "faith" as these "intermediaries" do today, Jesus was a down to earth man who TEACHED trough EXAMPLE, he himself was the teaching itself and his final instructions to the disciples, paraphrasing: "...go and teach to others as I teached to you...". That's why the rest identified a chrustian on the spot, they ACTED as Jesus did. And Jesus never had an issue with Israel, he even forgave them on the crucifiction and more, he wanted them to grow and be as he was and his disciples became; a concius aware being that behaves in a mature way out of love and is in synch to God as He was, in love.
All else is a vane attempt to conform reality to subjective interpretations of a mere book.
Per Scientia Ad Astra.
I pray you have no peace until you know the Prince of Peace.
These versus in Romans are some of the most dehumanizing words in the NT. To believe what Paul is saying without questioning is true blindness. Jews reject Christianity because it is not true. We measure the NT with the Hebrew Bible and turns out they are in no way compatible. The Hebrew Bible is about the Jewish nation and G-d. It has nothing to do with Jesus. The only way you see it as being about Jesus is because you start with Jesus. You must start without any preconceived notions and start from Genesis Ch 1 and work up. We do not have scales or vails over our eyes. A person who accepts these verses as true is in effect taking away my (as a Jew) G-d given intellect and ability to discern truth. I hope you will consider this and allow the Jewish voice a chance to speak with an open heart and open mind before you think we are "spiritually blind."
Adam was promised a savior. Job spoke of his future coming. A messiah is the hope of Israel. Who is the messiah? Christians look at the Hebrew scriptures and see Jesus in every passage about the messiah. Your scriptures shows that the messiah is God, and that he was prophesized to come at the time that Jesus lived. Zecheriah says the Jews in Jerusalem will see the one that they pierced and mourn.
deezynar You see Jesus in every passage because you start with a belief in Jesus. I.e. This is how you were raised, or something traumatic in your life, or a friend/spouse brought you into the Christian community, etc. I have yet to meet a Christian that had zero preconceived notion about the Abrahamic faiths and started from Genesis Ch 1 and ended up becoming a Christian by studying the Bible from the ground up. If you came to your faith as I've just described, I'd love to hear about it. No where in the Hebrew Bible does it mention a word about The Messiah being G-d, G-d forbid.
What I would love to hear is your response to what I wrote. You ignored all of it. Your promised messiah did not come at the time God said he would. What a coincidence that a major world religion claims that a savior did come at the exact time prophesied. Although we have not spoken about it, it is typical for folks on your side to also ignore that Israel was making a golden idol while Moses was on the mountain with God. That was not an isolated event, it represents the pattern of their behavior for hundreds of years until God pulled the plug on the show. Don't take that the wrong way, I'm not anti-semitic. If God had chosen my great ancestor instead of Abraham, the story of my family would look exactly the same as what happened to yours. That is the point that the bible makes, all people are messed up and need a savior. It is impossible to keep a law. That is illustrated by the first man, who was made 'good', even he couldn't keep the law God gave him. And that law had only rule; 'don't eat the fruit from that tree right there. Yep, that tree, that one right there. If you eat from that, you will die'. God sacrificed an animal, shed blood, to get Adam's sins covered, not to mention his naked body covered. But that animal's blood was not effective, it was just a symbol of the blood that God himself would later shed for the sins of those who believe they need a sacrifice. The bible tells the story of mankind, lawbreakers, one and all. All needing a savior who is God himself.
deezynar I responded directly to your main point/the most important part of Christian theology: that Jesus is G-d. No where does it say The Messiah will be G-d in the Hebrew Bible. No where does it say The Messiah will die for the sins of humanity, and be resurrected, and come back again. The main tenants of the Christian faith are no where to be found in Tanach. None of it is there, my friend.
Danny Harper and you say what about Isaiah 53?